@@angelor9211 That was my point, when you create art it already speaks for you. So when you place yourself into the story, you take what could be a relatable idea that applies to lots of people, and demand the audience to only pay attention to *you* - Skipti
the only good self insert is one where you make your self a grunt who literally gets killed in 3 seconds of being on screen. like maybe one clash of blades then dead.
@@barzap6190 It could've been Victoria van gale's messages that she intercepted, it could've been Frida or David or could even even be Woodman. They could've written A LOT of good reasons for Hilda to go to the Fairy realm
This take is odd to me, I really liked the third season and how it explored the family dynamics that shaped Hilda and Joanna. I also thought that Hilda's dad was a really well written deadbeat father character, and did a good job of showing why he's a deadbeat and his character flaws without just making him a terrible person like most other deadbeat parents in fiction. Things like how he looks for a job in the worst way possible and how he tries to show off and look cool for Hilda at the expense of safety, showing him as having flaws that make him a terrible parent but not a terrible person, which also makes clear why Hilda likes him and Joanna doesn't.
An accurate depiction of a dead beat father, certainly, but also the point of most characters in fiction, is to see them grow and change. Maybe it could've been more fleshed out if they had more episodes to work with and if the character didn't have this air of "Oh, that's just the creator trying to process his infidelity and family drama in a show that was never about that."
I don't know about the "self-insert" aspect of it. But I liked the inclusion of Hildas father as a deadbeat dad, and fucking keeping him that way. He doesn't magically get better after one conversation. Sure he cares about Hilda, but that doesn't make up for his cavalcade of fuck ups, and the scenes of Hilda and her Mother talking are not just "saying the moral of the story" but important character work. Parents should talk to their children. And it hurts to have asshole fathers, but its important for kids to learn to stop looking for their aproval. I am very biased since this topic is quite personal for me, but I think it was a good thing over all.
I am glad he comes and leaves and is just a deadbeat. Those exist. Some kids grow up dealing with that, and it must be nice for them to have someone they can commiserate with. Some dads are bad dads. Many are, I would argue.
Honestly if I were to make a self insert then I want it to be a where's Waldo character. Try finding me in every episodes because I'll be in one frame and then gone.
Just because it was made public after the season aired, that doesn't mean there weren't issues behind the scenes the whole time. Most of the time, people will keep silent about controversies for a very long time, until revealing the truth can no longer harm their work.
@@sirswagacademy Seriously though the entire issue was already covered and found- als ppg's reboot is apparently a thing now. [Comparing it to Hilda as as an example was poor]
Up until the final season I thought her dad was the bell keeper since the two talk about having similar tastes in food, a sympathetic perspective of trolls, and youknow-- blue hair. He also seemed Anxious when he saw Joanna, so I thought they might have had a connection.
I gotta respect a artist knowing their human nature is a pos, and doesn't try to fictionally redeemed themselves. I respect that honesty. You don't get that type of introspection anymore.
Hearing this telling while distanced from any emotional investment in the show makes be feel for the creator as well. Getting hit with personal shit as Netflix closes the curtains on your studio must have been quite a whammy.
I'm sorry but complaining about "filler" episodes in Hilda is kinda stupid lol. It's an episodic show. There are no "filer" episodes, just because some episodes connect back to each other does not make the whole rest of the show filler. Sure, some episodes are better, some worse, but they are all a part of it. Don't go to an episodic show and then complain about it not being a serialized adventure fantasy show with every episode driving one main plot.
I think self-inserts are fine when done well or inoffensively in shows. I can chuckle at the writer or lead artist having coffee at a diner, but when done to a degree like this, it's kinda ehhh.
@@sirswagacademy oh no 1000% there is. That's why I prefer cameo SIs more in this regard. Well, I used Self-insert more liberally in this regard since if it's you, at base it's a self insert. Degree of involvement can be a cameo or more than that.
Would love to hear a presentation on old/older shows being remade or revamped. Thinking Batman: The Animated Series to Caped Crusader. X-Men and X-Men-97. Animaniacs. Powerpuff Girls. The Tick. Duck Tales. Going through the comparisons of the original and new. How the new builds off the original. And what happens just a bit too often for me: how the new just doesn't work nearly as well.
Its a shame to me that so many people hate Legend of Korra because of the ending of season 2. I didn't like it either, but I like Korra almost more than Last Airbender. Its another one of those cases of executive meddling, they cancelled the promised four season arc on the writers, then gave it back after the damage had already been done. I'm actually more impressed they managed to salvage the series after that hiccup. Similar story with Mass Effect 3, EA demanded Javik be DLC, and they had to rewrite half the plot late into development to make it happen. Despite that, Tuchanka and Rannoch are two of the greatest arcs of any fiction I've ever experienced.
Yeah Korra definitely had a lot more moving parts in its story that didn't have time to be fleshed out. As a kid I always liked the crappy sequel more than the original. Did i know the original was better most of the time, yes 100%. But i liked to see how the story continued. We got to see the world of Last Air Bender expand so much in LoK. Cars, planes, mechs(maybe not the mechs), but no guns because TVY7, were all cool to see interact with the preestablished bending system. The world would change at the end of a 100 year long war
L take ngl. Korra sucks not because of the ending of season 2, but because it's a story about politcs written by people that don't know shit about poitics lol.
Honestly went into this expecting a nitpicking of ‘Hilda.’ That reveal at the end tho, that’s so sad. Sucks when a creator turns out to be a terrible person. If it makes you feel any better, Hilda probably grows up to have a lot of contempt for her crappy dad, just like (spoiler) Luke Pearson’s real kids. But yeah, I’m not going to be able to go back to this series now. Sucks.
On an unrelated train of thought, I'm not really a fan of how the term self-insert has been diluted from egotistic representations of a creator to the trope of "blank state" protagonists in many games.
First of all, sucks to hear about the creator (why can't any high-profile creators stop thinking with their pants?) Secondly, my train of thought of self-insert characters is the audince will notice when that character isn't handled right or used effectively. A lot of characters (main characters especially) can be/are self-inserts, but it's hard to tell behind that character's growth and change throughout the story. Thirdly, the show is based on the creator's comic, so if this is a outright new character made for the show... Christ of heaven and hellfire.
I prefer to have a show end with me wanting more then I wishing the show would just end. The long any show, tv or often francie goes on the worse it gets. Example: Warcraft 3/ FT is an awesome story/world but WoW killed it by Lich King exp.
Um, no, no that is not the case with Anders at all. Like, not even a little bit. Like, how the hell did you even think Anders was a self-insert? I really don't think Luke was connecting his own home life with his show. Especially since everybody except Hilda hates Anders. Why would he write himself in a position where everybody hates him and the only person who likes him is Hilda, the girl who forgave a monster that tried to kill her and showed the damage he did to her? Also, Luke already has a self-insert, he's a background character who has one line in the whole series. Your take just really makes no sense. There are way too many holes with this theory and I think you're just jumping to conclusions. I will consent that Anders is a little pointless since he's so briefly in the series but there's no way he's actually a self-insert. Also, kind of surprised you didn't talk about Strange Frequencies where, hopefully unintentionally, the moral is unironically "Your feelings about being abandoned don't matter, so don't expect your friends to have sympathy for you unless you earn it first" which is a hilariously terrible moral.
Ander's presence in the season is oddly pointless. It looked like the story was setting him up to redeem himself, only for him to get kidnapped and denied the chance. He is notably the only character present who doesn't get to do anything help rescue Hilda and Joanna from the fairy realm in the finale. even while he tries to do everything he can. I hate how well the self-insert theory explains this.
Damn, I didn't know that was supposed to be the last season. I was okay with the character since I thought the season was supposed to establish the arc, but nope, they just had a bunch of character's justifiably shit on him and left it at that...
Wonder if he sees the character as a good guy that's being unjustly shat on by the whole cast, cause that's the only reason I'd see to add in the character.
Dante’s Inferno is my favorite self-insert fanfic
Yeah, best self insert in all of history!
What about lancelot
Aren't all stories self inserts? Just the protagonist living and acting the way you want them to?
@@angelor9211 That was my point, when you create art it already speaks for you. So when you place yourself into the story, you take what could be a relatable idea that applies to lots of people, and demand the audience to only pay attention to *you*
- Skipti
the only good self insert is one where you make your self a grunt who literally gets killed in 3 seconds of being on screen. like maybe one clash of blades then dead.
I disagree, Stephen King for example always self inserts himself into his stories and they'll mostly good stories.
Ah yes, the Michael Bay approach to cameos.
Ah yes, the Peter Jackson approach to cameos.
Or you could just pull a 3 year old and somehow be tha one godlike being who has dumb powers to counter
What about Rohan from Jojo
I never thought about it, but if you remove Hilda's dad from the plot, NOTHING will change so it's certainly a self insert character
Actually, the entire reason why she went to the fariy realm was because of her dad
@@barzap6190It could have been her mom who got kidnapped just as easily though😭😭
@@MillyKKitty her mom is a bit cautious, and knows about the fairy realm
@@barzap6190 It could've been Victoria van gale's messages that she intercepted, it could've been Frida or David or could even even be Woodman. They could've written A LOT of good reasons for Hilda to go to the Fairy realm
@@daniyarsadykov3385 no one gives a shit about Victoria Woodman, I see
This take is odd to me, I really liked the third season and how it explored the family dynamics that shaped Hilda and Joanna. I also thought that Hilda's dad was a really well written deadbeat father character, and did a good job of showing why he's a deadbeat and his character flaws without just making him a terrible person like most other deadbeat parents in fiction. Things like how he looks for a job in the worst way possible and how he tries to show off and look cool for Hilda at the expense of safety, showing him as having flaws that make him a terrible parent but not a terrible person, which also makes clear why Hilda likes him and Joanna doesn't.
yeah same. As someone with personal experience with bad fathers, it was very impatful for me. Especially Johanna talking to Hilda about it.
It was certainly a unique experience-
I liked it too, and thought the town was a cool environment
He also helped show how Hilda's desire to adventure consequence free is not a good idea
An accurate depiction of a dead beat father, certainly, but also the point of most characters in fiction, is to see them grow and change. Maybe it could've been more fleshed out if they had more episodes to work with and if the character didn't have this air of "Oh, that's just the creator trying to process his infidelity and family drama in a show that was never about that."
I don't know about the "self-insert" aspect of it. But I liked the inclusion of Hildas father as a deadbeat dad, and fucking keeping him that way. He doesn't magically get better after one conversation. Sure he cares about Hilda, but that doesn't make up for his cavalcade of fuck ups, and the scenes of Hilda and her Mother talking are not just "saying the moral of the story" but important character work. Parents should talk to their children. And it hurts to have asshole fathers, but its important for kids to learn to stop looking for their aproval.
I am very biased since this topic is quite personal for me, but I think it was a good thing over all.
I am glad he comes and leaves and is just a deadbeat.
Those exist. Some kids grow up dealing with that, and it must be nice for them to have someone they can commiserate with. Some dads are bad dads. Many are, I would argue.
I agree, I think he's a really well written character despite not getting an arc.
Owl house
Hunters guild red hood
Teen titans
Sapranos
Gate
So many good shows murdered by shitty corpos
Can you tell what gate is about?
Honestly if I were to make a self insert then I want it to be a where's Waldo character. Try finding me in every episodes because I'll be in one frame and then gone.
Alex Hirsch the creator of gravity falls did that
My favorite self inserts are weird characters voiced by the creator doing stupid comedy relief stuff
Or being a random grunt that has one line of dialogue before getting killed/beaten up in a funny way
The whole drama between Luke irl happened months AFTER S3 aired, remember that.
Just because it was made public after the season aired, that doesn't mean there weren't issues behind the scenes the whole time. Most of the time, people will keep silent about controversies for a very long time, until revealing the truth can no longer harm their work.
@@sirswagacademy Seriously though the entire issue was already covered and found- als ppg's reboot is apparently a thing now. [Comparing it to Hilda as as an example was poor]
Kishibe Rohan is a good self insert basically became a main character for Jojo's spin offs, possibly one of the best self inserts in most media .
I hate Rohan so much you have no idea
- Skipti
@@sirswagacademy lmao OK fair enough 👌 idk how you could I always found him to be like squidward from SpongeBob if I were to compare him to anyone
Up until the final season I thought her dad was the bell keeper since the two talk about having similar tastes in food, a sympathetic perspective of trolls, and youknow-- blue hair. He also seemed Anxious when he saw Joanna, so I thought they might have had a connection.
Honestly would have been better
I gotta respect a artist knowing their human nature is a pos, and doesn't try to fictionally redeemed themselves. I respect that honesty. You don't get that type of introspection anymore.
Hearing this telling while distanced from any emotional investment in the show makes be feel for the creator as well. Getting hit with personal shit as Netflix closes the curtains on your studio must have been quite a whammy.
I'm sorry but complaining about "filler" episodes in Hilda is kinda stupid lol. It's an episodic show. There are no "filer" episodes, just because some episodes connect back to each other does not make the whole rest of the show filler. Sure, some episodes are better, some worse, but they are all a part of it. Don't go to an episodic show and then complain about it not being a serialized adventure fantasy show with every episode driving one main plot.
Loving these videos. Uncut is definitely more interesting but the cut down versions are so simple yet well made
i didn't even realise this was a sir swag channel after finishing this video haha, honestly good stuff
Sweet, early crowd checking in!
I think self-inserts are fine when done well or inoffensively in shows. I can chuckle at the writer or lead artist having coffee at a diner, but when done to a degree like this, it's kinda ehhh.
There's a big difference between a Stan Lee cameo and M Night Shyamalan appearing to save the main character
@@sirswagacademy oh no 1000% there is. That's why I prefer cameo SIs more in this regard.
Well, I used Self-insert more liberally in this regard since if it's you, at base it's a self insert. Degree of involvement can be a cameo or more than that.
wait sir swag omg i haven't heard of them since 2020, might watch them again
DADDY CAME BACK FROM THE STORE
Would love to hear a presentation on old/older shows being remade or revamped.
Thinking Batman: The Animated Series to Caped Crusader.
X-Men and X-Men-97.
Animaniacs.
Powerpuff Girls.
The Tick.
Duck Tales.
Going through the comparisons of the original and new. How the new builds off the original. And what happens just a bit too often for me: how the new just doesn't work nearly as well.
Welp, we can't have nice things.
I didn't watch the third season, didn't even feel a desire to. After the movie, everything was wrapped up nicely. There was no need to continue.
Its a shame to me that so many people hate Legend of Korra because of the ending of season 2. I didn't like it either, but I like Korra almost more than Last Airbender.
Its another one of those cases of executive meddling, they cancelled the promised four season arc on the writers, then gave it back after the damage had already been done. I'm actually more impressed they managed to salvage the series after that hiccup.
Similar story with Mass Effect 3, EA demanded Javik be DLC, and they had to rewrite half the plot late into development to make it happen. Despite that, Tuchanka and Rannoch are two of the greatest arcs of any fiction I've ever experienced.
Yeah Korra definitely had a lot more moving parts in its story that didn't have time to be fleshed out. As a kid I always liked the crappy sequel more than the original. Did i know the original was better most of the time, yes 100%. But i liked to see how the story continued. We got to see the world of Last Air Bender expand so much in LoK. Cars, planes, mechs(maybe not the mechs), but no guns because TVY7, were all cool to see interact with the preestablished bending system. The world would change at the end of a 100 year long war
L take ngl. Korra sucks not because of the ending of season 2, but because it's a story about politcs written by people that don't know shit about poitics lol.
I didn’t expect this to be what sit swag would be doing but I’m very happy to see it
Honestly went into this expecting a nitpicking of ‘Hilda.’ That reveal at the end tho, that’s so sad. Sucks when a creator turns out to be a terrible person. If it makes you feel any better, Hilda probably grows up to have a lot of contempt for her crappy dad, just like (spoiler) Luke Pearson’s real kids. But yeah, I’m not going to be able to go back to this series now. Sucks.
Also "deadbeat father character" i would like to get some good male repersention. Getting bored useless father and idiot boy.
On an unrelated train of thought, I'm not really a fan of how the term self-insert has been diluted from egotistic representations of a creator to the trope of "blank state" protagonists in many games.
did not expect to see Hilda in a Swag channel
First of all, sucks to hear about the creator (why can't any high-profile creators stop thinking with their pants?)
Secondly, my train of thought of self-insert characters is the audince will notice when that character isn't handled right or used effectively. A lot of characters (main characters especially) can be/are self-inserts, but it's hard to tell behind that character's growth and change throughout the story.
Thirdly, the show is based on the creator's comic, so if this is a outright new character made for the show... Christ of heaven and hellfire.
Wait... There's an inserted character?
Shooketh me to
i have no commentary to add to the video, but i AM excited for the AOT vid! Super rich series, i'm looking forward to see what you guys have to say
Karl from Chowder is alright as a self insert.
Self insert doesn't work at all, your creating a story and you want to be in it, thats the only reason it happens
The only self insert I will ever acknowledge as great is hideo kojima from MGS 5
No explanation as to why he appears, he's just.... there!
Panning was rough on the old upload xD
I prefer to have a show end with me wanting more then I wishing the show would just end. The long any show, tv or often francie goes on the worse it gets. Example: Warcraft 3/ FT is an awesome story/world but WoW killed it by Lich King exp.
Again??
IM SORRY IM AN IDIOT
@@sirswagacademynooooooo,ur not.
Um, no, no that is not the case with Anders at all. Like, not even a little bit. Like, how the hell did you even think Anders was a self-insert? I really don't think Luke was connecting his own home life with his show. Especially since everybody except Hilda hates Anders. Why would he write himself in a position where everybody hates him and the only person who likes him is Hilda, the girl who forgave a monster that tried to kill her and showed the damage he did to her? Also, Luke already has a self-insert, he's a background character who has one line in the whole series. Your take just really makes no sense.
There are way too many holes with this theory and I think you're just jumping to conclusions. I will consent that Anders is a little pointless since he's so briefly in the series but there's no way he's actually a self-insert. Also, kind of surprised you didn't talk about Strange Frequencies where, hopefully unintentionally, the moral is unironically "Your feelings about being abandoned don't matter, so don't expect your friends to have sympathy for you unless you earn it first" which is a hilariously terrible moral.
INFINITY! LETS GOOO!!!!
Ander's presence in the season is oddly pointless. It looked like the story was setting him up to redeem himself, only for him to get kidnapped and denied the chance. He is notably the only character present who doesn't get to do anything help rescue Hilda and Joanna from the fairy realm in the finale. even while he tries to do everything he can. I hate how well the self-insert theory explains this.
An AOT discussion i hear?!
Oh yes please
9:18 wow
What do you think of Bellkeeper as Hilda's father?
Everyone hates that stuff.
Damn, I didn't know that was supposed to be the last season. I was okay with the character since I thought the season was supposed to establish the arc, but nope, they just had a bunch of character's justifiably shit on him and left it at that...
3:31 Oh, my God! The nostalgia. I love Gen 1 transformers
What’s with the Vietnamese flag shirt?
I think that's Steven Universe
Wonder if he sees the character as a good guy that's being unjustly shat on by the whole cast, cause that's the only reason I'd see to add in the character.
Remember to always keep your vent art private.
Dear Showrunners: PLEASE IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT'S HOLLY, STOP USING YOUR SHOWS AS A FREE THERAPY SESSION
Rings of power cost a billion dollars hardly free
my mind rejected the existence of the third season, you have made me remember