If yall wanna learn more about the Latitude On OS. Cathode Ray Dude has a Quick Start series, all about those little OSes. Latitude On is featured in Episode 6
This computer is kind of nostalgic to me because my uncle had an E6410, which was basically the smaller version of this laptop, and he used it as his main computer from new all the way up until around 2017 thanks to an upgrade to Windows 10
Yes, the only difference is size. The "4" stands for 14 inch, just as 5 means 15(.6). Likewise the third number would be 0 for Core2Duo era, 1 for first gen i5/i7 CPU, 2 for second gen (Sandy Bridge), and so on. Oh, and the 6 would be the lineup, as there was a lesser 5XXX Latitude range around the same years.
I have a Dell Precision M4500 which is based on the Latitude E6510 chassis. It's basically a premium version of the Latitude, with a dedicated GPU and some other minor differences. Note that if the E6510 is anything like the M4500, an mSATA SSD can be put in the WWAN card slot for a second internal storage device.
17:36, some linux distros (most of the ones that use KDE) allow you to disable this in the trackpad options, meaning you can use the trackpad while typing.
15:43 im amazed at your experience with Zorin OS in that machine, as it’s a very snappy OS. I had it running on a X61 Thinkpad (C2D, 4gb DDR2, 128gb SSD) without issues. The X61 easily overheated running Tiny10, but got only Lukewarm with Zorin. I am currently testing it on a 2008 MacBook (C2D, 8gb DDR3, 1tb HDD) and it’s quite smooth for regular tasks.
One of the reasons the first gen intel core cpus kinda stink is because of two major sticking points. First intel designed the first gen to have much more bandwidth going from the cpu to memory, as you might recall the first gen i7's could be mated to a x58 motherboard and this has the proper 3 channels of memory at it's disposal. It was a massive amount of bandwidth at the time and most saw it as "overkill" when in reality the three channels when paired with proper ram serve the cpu much better, so systems with DMI interface or dual channel suffer from inherent flaw of not feeding the cpu with enough data fast enough as intel just simply reworked their i7 instead of building it from the ground up to ssve money. These were very bandwidth starved cpus. Even the dual core had the same problem. To make matters worse the graphics chip (litterally!) was lifted from the previous generation of core 2 duo chipset and is actually it's own chip on the die and can't directly use the cpu's cache. Probably a good thing somewhat because the CPU is already bandwidth starved. These two problems got fixed with sandy bridge along with a die shink. This is why also intel split their enthusiast line from their desktop/mobile counterparts and sandy bridge used faster (1333 fsb) from the start. You could use the faster ram with some of the first gens too but it proves still far too slow because every call the graphics chip makes to memory it has to do it on the same bus as the cpu without access to cache. Thus a very slow igpu. Especially if the cpu is busy.
i7's in general sucked until about 2014. I remember the very first gen of Lenovo's X1 carbon from 2012 having serve overheating issues due to the i7 kicking out so much heat and a lackluster heatsink that while worked fine for the i5 model just didn't suit the i7 varient at all.
@megatronskneecap But to be fair that's a problem with the manufacturer, not so much intel. You should expect an i5 to generate less heat and thus not need nearly as much cooling. Sadly laptop manufacturers still have not learned this lesson too well. Many still are equipped with less than spectacular cooling solutions that might work just fine for things like general web surfing but the moment you try to render anything of substance in photoshop temps fly out of hand and then you get a bunch of throttling making that investment a rip off. The latitudes back in 2012 and 13 came with very beefy heatsinks, as long as you kept them clean they probably could take on a quad. But never laptops manufacturers seem to skimp on such things. Mandy never are able to even touch TDP because of it. They'll throttle before hitting that peak.
I got this laptop about a year ago for 20€ from a friend. Upgraded it with another 2 gigs of ram and a 240 gig ssd. Sold it for 75€ but i do kinda regret it cus the build quality is so nice. Mine even had the i5 560M. And yes i have its newer cousins too (6520 and 6530), both had the sticky plague Edit: i was able to find all the drivers for Windows 10 btw
Nice. I am still using my Dell Latitude E7470, which is the premium version with the i7 6600U vPro, as my main today running Windows 11. Been upgraded a few times during that time along with a new battery last year. It's still going strong. I also still have my older Dell Inspiron 17R N7110, which everything still works fairly well despite the dead battery. Runs good with Windows 10. I've tried installing various distros of Linux on the N7110, but never fully boots after install. BIOS is it's original evidently, though can't upgrade it without replacing it's battery so I guess that's part of the problem. It's fan sounds like a jet sometimes but works, and it's tricky to take apart just to get to it's SSD. But good as a backup PC. Eventually I'll replace the battery and update it's BIOS. It has a 2nd gen i5, and can be upgraded to i7 from the same gen. Fortunately, Ebay is my friend there. lol
I've had luck with removing those soft touch coatings by softening them with rubbing alcohol and then scraping them off with a library or credit card down to the bare plastic, and then using rubbing alcohol again to remove what's left. *Very* time consuming, but it's worth it IMO.
As someone who owns both an E6410 and an E4310, I offer a few random thoughts... 1) Forget about UEFI. The implementation on this hardware seems, at best, suited to Windows. That's probably a *lot* of your boot lag. 2) Zorin OS Core is based on Gnome which is a much heavier DE than XFCE which is used in Zorin OS Lite. 3) Try pricing a dual-core 1st gen Core i7 mobile CPU. It shouldn't be that much and should give you a bit of a boost. (Don't try and add a Quad Core i7 to a system with only built-in graphics. First Gen i7 quads do not include the graphics hardware and rely on discrete graphics.)
I used to have an e6540 and damn it was good, it had an i5-4300M, Radeon HD 8790M graphics and 8GB of RAM which I added an extra 4GB stick to for 12GB and a 512GB HDD, it could comfortably run Fortnite at 30 FPS in medium graphics
Back in 2019, I had to use a Latitude similar to this because my POS HP Pavilion broke. Let's just say that Dell got me through the shit storm that was 2020.
This computer will NOT take more than 8 GB of RAM. The only 1st gen CPUs which can take 16 GB are quad core i7's, but those don't have integrated graphics and can only be installed in systems with a GPU. And even for these CPUs the 16 GB support is unofficial (Intel spec still says 8 GB max) and the RAM above 8 GB is not cached. Also the BIOS might not support it. I have tried 16 GB in E6410 with i5. Dell BIOS does recognize the memory and will show the correct amount in setup. But as soon as any of above 8 GB RAM is accessed, computer freezes.
@@FlyboyHelosim That's exactly what I mean - it's not cached. So it will be slower than below 8 GB. Still of course much better than swap file on disk.
hey petabyte i just think it would bbe fun to share that i recently managed to revive my old childhood computer. the pc was thrown away by my family but they deided to keep the hard drive. i recently managed to find that drive and start it up, and it worked. windows xp professional sp3.
@@betapyteag thank you! I dont remember the full specs, but it was an asus p5gz-mx 945gz motherboard, a pentium d from 2005, 2gb of ddr2 ram, a samsung hd161hj 160gb hdd, a 15 inch 4:3 lcd LG monitor that i also still have, but i dont remember the rest of the original specs.
The chipset doesn’t have Vulkan support, which started with Haswell/Broadwell 4000/5000 chips. This machine sadly doesn’t have a chance with Proton; Win7 would be the only decent potential OS to game with.
My E6510 came with 4Gb. I've maxed it out at 8Gb and installed an SSD. It managed Windows 10 well, but I think eventually it will get Linux I guess. Mine is quite reliable.
I remember upgrading the keyboard to a back light version and replacing the cd drive with a hard drive and maxing the ram and ssd. I had the one with Nvidia
Hey thats the laptop i have! but mines got an gpu and the sim card "card" for mobile internet (and another thing gaming performance is way way better with the dedicated gpu)
If yall wanna learn more about the Latitude On OS. Cathode Ray Dude has a Quick Start series, all about those little OSes. Latitude On is featured in Episode 6
This computer is kind of nostalgic to me because my uncle had an E6410, which was basically the smaller version of this laptop, and he used it as his main computer from new all the way up until around 2017 thanks to an upgrade to Windows 10
Yes, the only difference is size. The "4" stands for 14 inch, just as 5 means 15(.6). Likewise the third number would be 0 for Core2Duo era, 1 for first gen i5/i7 CPU, 2 for second gen (Sandy Bridge), and so on. Oh, and the 6 would be the lineup, as there was a lesser 5XXX Latitude range around the same years.
Still using an E5500 to this day, basically this machines older brother
I have a Dell Precision M4500 which is based on the Latitude E6510 chassis. It's basically a premium version of the Latitude, with a dedicated GPU and some other minor differences. Note that if the E6510 is anything like the M4500, an mSATA SSD can be put in the WWAN card slot for a second internal storage device.
17:36, some linux distros (most of the ones that use KDE) allow you to disable this in the trackpad options, meaning you can use the trackpad while typing.
15:43 im amazed at your experience with Zorin OS in that machine, as it’s a very snappy OS. I had it running on a X61 Thinkpad (C2D, 4gb DDR2, 128gb SSD) without issues. The X61 easily overheated running Tiny10, but got only Lukewarm with Zorin.
I am currently testing it on a 2008 MacBook (C2D, 8gb DDR3, 1tb HDD) and it’s quite smooth for regular tasks.
One of the reasons the first gen intel core cpus kinda stink is because of two major sticking points. First intel designed the first gen to have much more bandwidth going from the cpu to memory, as you might recall the first gen i7's could be mated to a x58 motherboard and this has the proper 3 channels of memory at it's disposal. It was a massive amount of bandwidth at the time and most saw it as "overkill" when in reality the three channels when paired with proper ram serve the cpu much better, so systems with DMI interface or dual channel suffer from inherent flaw of not feeding the cpu with enough data fast enough as intel just simply reworked their i7 instead of building it from the ground up to ssve money. These were very bandwidth starved cpus. Even the dual core had the same problem. To make matters worse the graphics chip (litterally!) was lifted from the previous generation of core 2 duo chipset and is actually it's own chip on the die and can't directly use the cpu's cache. Probably a good thing somewhat because the CPU is already bandwidth starved. These two problems got fixed with sandy bridge along with a die shink. This is why also intel split their enthusiast line from their desktop/mobile counterparts and sandy bridge used faster (1333 fsb) from the start. You could use the faster ram with some of the first gens too but it proves still far too slow because every call the graphics chip makes to memory it has to do it on the same bus as the cpu without access to cache. Thus a very slow igpu. Especially if the cpu is busy.
i7's in general sucked until about 2014. I remember the very first gen of Lenovo's X1 carbon from 2012 having serve overheating issues due to the i7 kicking out so much heat and a lackluster heatsink that while worked fine for the i5 model just didn't suit the i7 varient at all.
@megatronskneecap But to be fair that's a problem with the manufacturer, not so much intel. You should expect an i5 to generate less heat and thus not need nearly as much cooling. Sadly laptop manufacturers still have not learned this lesson too well. Many still are equipped with less than spectacular cooling solutions that might work just fine for things like general web surfing but the moment you try to render anything of substance in photoshop temps fly out of hand and then you get a bunch of throttling making that investment a rip off. The latitudes back in 2012 and 13 came with very beefy heatsinks, as long as you kept them clean they probably could take on a quad. But never laptops manufacturers seem to skimp on such things. Mandy never are able to even touch TDP because of it. They'll throttle before hitting that peak.
Great video btw! Keep up the good work.
I got this laptop about a year ago for 20€ from a friend. Upgraded it with another 2 gigs of ram and a 240 gig ssd. Sold it for 75€ but i do kinda regret it cus the build quality is so nice. Mine even had the i5 560M.
And yes i have its newer cousins too (6520 and 6530), both had the sticky plague
Edit: i was able to find all the drivers for Windows 10 btw
Nice. I am still using my Dell Latitude E7470, which is the premium version with the i7 6600U vPro, as my main today running Windows 11. Been upgraded a few times during that time along with a new battery last year. It's still going strong. I also still have my older Dell Inspiron 17R N7110, which everything still works fairly well despite the dead battery. Runs good with Windows 10. I've tried installing various distros of Linux on the N7110, but never fully boots after install. BIOS is it's original evidently, though can't upgrade it without replacing it's battery so I guess that's part of the problem. It's fan sounds like a jet sometimes but works, and it's tricky to take apart just to get to it's SSD. But good as a backup PC. Eventually I'll replace the battery and update it's BIOS. It has a 2nd gen i5, and can be upgraded to i7 from the same gen. Fortunately, Ebay is my friend there. lol
Nice vid
I've had luck with removing those soft touch coatings by softening them with rubbing alcohol and then scraping them off with a library or credit card down to the bare plastic, and then using rubbing alcohol again to remove what's left. *Very* time consuming, but it's worth it IMO.
As someone who owns both an E6410 and an E4310, I offer a few random thoughts... 1) Forget about UEFI. The implementation on this hardware seems, at best, suited to Windows. That's probably a *lot* of your boot lag. 2) Zorin OS Core is based on Gnome which is a much heavier DE than XFCE which is used in Zorin OS Lite. 3) Try pricing a dual-core 1st gen Core i7 mobile CPU. It shouldn't be that much and should give you a bit of a boost. (Don't try and add a Quad Core i7 to a system with only built-in graphics. First Gen i7 quads do not include the graphics hardware and rely on discrete graphics.)
I used to have an e6540 and damn it was good, it had an i5-4300M, Radeon HD 8790M graphics and 8GB of RAM which I added an extra 4GB stick to for 12GB and a 512GB HDD, it could comfortably run Fortnite at 30 FPS in medium graphics
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My school used to have these until 2019, when they upgraded to Windows 10.
Back in 2019, I had to use a Latitude similar to this because my POS HP Pavilion broke. Let's just say that Dell got me through the shit storm that was 2020.
hi ther can you plz share link from where u downloads BIOS A17 version
This computer will NOT take more than 8 GB of RAM.
The only 1st gen CPUs which can take 16 GB are quad core i7's, but those don't have integrated graphics and can only be installed in systems with a GPU. And even for these CPUs the 16 GB support is unofficial (Intel spec still says 8 GB max) and the RAM above 8 GB is not cached. Also the BIOS might not support it.
I have tried 16 GB in E6410 with i5. Dell BIOS does recognize the memory and will show the correct amount in setup. But as soon as any of above 8 GB RAM is accessed, computer freezes.
What do you mean by extra RAM above 8GB isn't cached?
@@FlyboyHelosim That's exactly what I mean - it's not cached. So it will be slower than below 8 GB. Still of course much better than swap file on disk.
hey petabyte i just think it would bbe fun to share that i recently managed to revive my old childhood computer. the pc was thrown away by my family but they deided to keep the hard drive. i recently managed to find that drive and start it up, and it worked. windows xp professional sp3.
Thank you for sharing! Nice to hear you were able to make that work!
@@betapyteag thank you! I dont remember the full specs, but it was an asus p5gz-mx 945gz motherboard, a pentium d from 2005, 2gb of ddr2 ram, a samsung hd161hj 160gb hdd, a 15 inch 4:3 lcd LG monitor that i also still have, but i dont remember the rest of the original specs.
The chipset doesn’t have Vulkan support, which started with Haswell/Broadwell 4000/5000 chips. This machine sadly doesn’t have a chance with Proton; Win7 would be the only decent potential OS to game with.
Or Windows XP…..
My E6510 came with 4Gb. I've maxed it out at 8Gb and installed an SSD. It managed Windows 10 well, but I think eventually it will get Linux I guess. Mine is quite reliable.
I remember upgrading the keyboard to a back light version and replacing the cd drive with a hard drive and maxing the ram and ssd. I had the one with Nvidia
They really took a lot from the thinkpad design didn't it
That poor graphics chipset… does it even have current mesa support? should be in mesa-amber, but I’ve never done well trying it on my netbook.
Hey thats the laptop i have!
but mines got an gpu and the sim card "card" for mobile internet
(and another thing gaming performance is way way better with the dedicated gpu)
you should do a video on a windows 8 toshiba satellite C55 at some point
If I get one then I probably could
surprised its so slow for an i5 and an SSD
@@EastAngliaUK likely because it’s a very old i5, that’s why
It's a first gen i5 from 2009/2010...
@@legoflashgamer if it where a second gen i5 at least it would be more faster, but first gen cpu's are not good...
I had this laptop a few years ago, but I remember it running a lot better than this.
Just pulled my e6500 out of the closet with the intent to recycle it. Don't do this to me.
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I would totally buy this off you I've been looking for one
It’s not for sale
@betapyteag aw man
Have fun with it bro
I'm getting the one on Amazon from my girlfriend for my birthday anyway
That's gonna be a banger
I have 14" version of this ntb. DM me if you want.