The best heat I've ever seen live! I met Kelly after the heat and he was laughing about that air. He said he landed on the board hard with both knees and thought he had broken the board. Needless to say there were two massive dings on his board afterwards. Such an epic day at Trestles!!
That was a shit ruling. If they were fair dinkum about denying him that wave then technically they should have given him 2 scores. A 1.5 for the fail. And maybe a 4.8 for the rest of the wave. Judges have NFI
In High School we'd drive to Sebastion Inlet and even during the week the place was packed with locals that had the place wired. The refraction wave off the solid jetty truly doubled up and threw far that lip. The wave was peeled incredibly good with Jeff Crawford, Jeff Klugel and other standouts. Carving 360's were the order of the day. Those surfers ripped, did amazing stunts and young Kelly just took it to another level. Still can see Jeff crawford in the most powerful sections just floating like a leaf down vertical wave faces to tuck into a tube or take the top off a wave as he fly's along the steepest part of the lip. Crawford had some moves that perhaps kelly hasn't mastered. It is no wonder that Florida's Crawford won the pipe masters way back then.
Slater you genius! Who else in the world could launch, spin, lose their board in the air, fall six feet, then get back on it in the foam and carve up the rest of the wave.. in a competition. Amazing.
I watched the final and thought... "what did Fanning do to Slater" - then I just saw this and now - what a bummer... Kelly you rock and I think you were robbed... but hey, you surfed the way that we all wish we could.. in our dreams. God Bless you! "Freakish Talent - or a gift from God?"
@@malonemalone6873 yeah i could punch ppl that say ur born with it or its talent. its years upon years of hard work that makes you pull stuff like that. raw experience and training. theres nothing spectacular about sth that you have since birth
+david muñoz I agree, it was pretty low, though technically it wasn't a manoeuvre: he wasn't connected to his board and it wasn't under control. It was essentially a fucked manoeuvre, with a ridiculously crazy recovery.
I know that 5 years have passed since "that move" - and there is still nobody that could pull it off...and 4.17 is still a stooooopid score for something so astronomically improbable as to make my feeble little brain sputter. Mr. , husband of Lydia.
Absolutely wonderful surfing. Heard Kelly say he fell indicating judges were right not to give a 10; I love seeing these guys and gals. Going to see the finals Thursday or Friday when surf's up.
From a style point of view alone , I think Slater should have won .He looked much more graceful and in flow with the waves as well as having more variety in his manuevers.
What a classic. As per a commenter below, title of this video should be "The Greatest 4 point ride in the history of professional surfing." Insane-Slater had the reflexes of a cat. The judges may have been correct technically, but come on-that was a spectacular, super human move and recovery
Watch Mick's waves and count the number of time he does the exact same turn...variety of maneuvers should be a huge factor in scoring or at list separate all of the criteria and give scores separately for each!
much like the judges didn't know what to think of Jay Adams. while the other contestants were doing maneuvers Jay could do in his sleep, he was pushing the limits. until proved otherwise Slater is still the best. I've seen people saying he doesn't have another championship in him and the new guard is poised to send him packing. that's yet to be seen, but I think he could win another one and even if he doesn't he probably has several years of highly competitive surfing left in the tank.
No way that was a 4.17 for Kelly. Minimum 8. Most out of it move / recovery I've ever seen. Some pretty weird judging going on, and not just in this heat. Judges should have seen they got it wrong after they scored it and marked him up on his final wave. Heat should have been his for sure.
My only guess is that they got the impression it was a failed manoeuver with a freak landing based mainly on luck. Up for debate whether that regain was down to skill or luck I guess
If you are 40 something and pull an air like that in competition followed by a smooth 360 and couple heavy gouges off the top. I'm sorry but he deserved atleast a 9 for the degree of difficulty. The speed created for the air was on a super long extended drop in bottom turn combo not the usual midface speed pump of typical elite surfers. His surfing blows away whoever happens to be competing against him. And if you don't like watching the best display of surfing trestles might ever see just give him a 4.1 for riding a wave better than anyone will for the remainder of the contest. What a joke
as well as the fact that he completed the wave and all completion long you hear judges like waves to be finished off... he drained that wave and then some. Good comment...
+Russell Ignaciak He didn't pull off the air. A 9?????? you have to be fucking joking right? He didn't land it, his feet weren't even on the board!!! That air was fucked. Yes the recovery was amazing, but you think they should have scored that a 9, the highest score of the heat? Best display of surfing trestles would ever see? What a joke... If you want the best display of surfing trestles will ever see watch John John's 2014 heat with Kelly and Adriano. it was twice as impressive as anything anyone did in this heat. Fucking fanbois.......
They say that Kelly lost control of his board.. I doubt that. How can those with inferior surfing skills judge what the surfer's mind thinks is possible. Also listen to the clip, the crowd loved that thar move.
So many times the judges' scores are a joke. It seems that no matter how incredibly you ride the wave, like 20+ seconds of mesmerising surfing, if you come unstuck on the pull-out manoeuvre (only) the score gets halved. Another time (yeah sure the take-off position has to be spot on) the surfer takes a drop pulls in, gets covered, kicks out. Ride takes 5-6 seconds. Scores a 10. That's patently ridiculous.
this competition has been full of things that require some further evaluation, but they're not having it. If both Fanning and Slater's best waves that didn't contain aerials were compared, they're very similar. Fanning had some good moments of control, but Slater threw everything in his performance. There's a moment where Pete and even the Aussie announcer say they think that 4.17 was terribly low and it seems that most agree. For the miniscule amount of time he was disconnected, it should say something about that separation and the fact that the nose never dipped down after landing shows that Kelly had connected to some degree. 6 to 7 IMHO for sheer ability and complication as well the remainder of the wave. Risk vs Reward Assessment: Mick played it safe and won. Kelly rolled the dice on every other wave. There was a point that Kelly noticed that his aerial work wasn't being scored for what it was and played the same hand a Mick to test that out. He was given nothing for both approaches. This should have been closer than what we see throughout the heat. We can all agree that these are the old guards (just a figure of speech) and two of the most highly regarded in this sport. Aerials from Kelly are what brought this support back from the grave and now they're treated as lame filler. The sponsors can alleviate these issues by means of funding or the lack thereof. (Even Pupo was scored pretty low for just trying the aerial game too.) Tahiti was the last solid job in the judging department that was clearcut and concise. I never want to be the heckler on RUclips, but things aren't good.
+Aint1S Dude I disagree on several points. 1) The air. Its ridiculous to say he was disconnected for a minuscule amount of time: his front foot left the board soon as it left the lip, his back foot lost the board after about 90 degrees of rotation, and when he and the board landed neither foot was on the board. As amazing as that recovery was, and trust me, I fount it mind-blowing that somehow he popped up again, that is an incomplete air any way you slice it. So the question is how do you score an incomplete air? And the judges have been very consistent with this: if its incomplete its basically not scored, which in my opinion is fair enough. Otherwise you are rewarding people for just doing crazy shit that is out of control. The rest of the wave looked like a 5 to me. It certainly wasn't as good as the 6 he got later. So the question is, how many points do you give for recovering a total fuck up, where you have to pop up again? Personally I'm not sure. But you think he should get a 7? Something approaching the excellent range? For an incomplete air, popping up twice and then some pretty average manoeuvres (in the context of the heat) on the inside? That seems absolutely ridiculous to me. 2) That airs should be worth more than turns. This just inst the way surfing is scored, never has been, never will be. If it was then professional surfing would be nothing more than an aerial contest; if that's what you are after they exist. In reality airs, rail-work and tube riding are generally not judged independently. It is the difficultly of manoeuvre that is scored, not simply the type. All of Kelly's airs (that he landed) were low difficulty air reverses on the last sections of the wave. In the scheme of airs, that's not a hard one. There's a dude at my local beach break who does air reverses like that in waste high slop all summer long. Look at the difficulty of mick's opening turns on his two best rides (kelly's too for that matter), that rail-work was outstanding; powerful, critical and precise. That's why it was scored higher. That being said the judges have also stated pretty clearly that at certain venues different types of surfing will be moderately preferred: at high performance waves like Bells/Winkipop JBay and Trestles the judges want to see high quality 'traditional' surfing, were at places like teaups, Pipeline and to a lesser extent Cloudbreak turns wont earn you a massive score, its all about a steep drop and deep barrel (the barrel is scored relatively low at Bells), and peaky beaches like Brasil airs are given priority. They have stated this publicly before. But even at a place like Bells, the home of traditional surfing on tour, you can still get a 10 for a single air if the difficulty is high enough (remember that infamous air that these very some judges gave to kelly???). Convenient how people forget... 3) Mick played it safe and won. You are being totally unfair to mick here. The only reason you think he was 'playing it safe' was because he executed his manoeuvres perfectly. Look at his turns for his two best scoring waves; he repeatedly blows the finns, controls the re-entry perfectly - which is extremely difficult - completed 360's and even that whip in the pocket isn't easy. Mick just makes it look easy because his flow, control and connection is so good. Yes kelly may have 'put more into' his turns, in terms of his upper body, but his flow wasn't as good as micks - he got caught between sections several times on his forehand. So why should that be scored higher? 4) That just because you disagree with the judges, there is a problem with professional surfing. I hear this all the time on places like YT from people who are generally just upset because their boy lost, and i'm usually pretty shocked by the level of arrogance people have without even knowing it. Those judges aren't simply some chumps who read a few surfing mags and decided they wanted to be a judge; they are all world class surfers. You remember Tahiti last year where teahups got a 12 foot swell and even pros like wilko were saying they were scared to surf? Well that morning before the contest started all of the judges for the event went out and surfed 8 to 10 foot teahupoo, just so they could have a personal understanding of just how difficult the drop was so they could score accurately. Can you surf 10 foot teahupoo????? No? I didnt think so. But you know how to score professional surfing better than them???? Right....
you got it, I dont understand why there are so many people that dont see how great is Fanning style. He is so on point, fast, power, flow and precision.
Are the judges on crack or what, 4.17? Even if he wouldnt have went for that maneuver(which was insane) those turns would have easily put it in the 7 point range??
That's what I'm bugged about. He completed that wave to the fullest and if they're that picky, score the first part and then score the second. It was only about 300 milliseconds that he was inactive during his recovery. IMHO 6 to 7 should have been fair and set Kelly's mind at ease as it's a good wave.
The scores on Kelly waves are controversial I would say..Mick was flawless and I love his surfing but Kelly was ripping the crap out of everything so radically..
Ahh thanks for reminding me why i don't watch the WSL tour. Just a bunch of great surfers being constrained and punished for surfing outside the box. 4 years later and the WSL scoring system is ever as inconsistent and seems more irrelevant than ever. I'll stick to watching weird and wonderful clips of free-surfers taking creative lines - hopefully Kelly joins Mick amongst their ranks soon.
That Kellys air was something that clearly says who should won this heat, they both rides almost the same usuall stuff, but Kelly make that crazy hard air. And should definitely win this heat. I think it was very bad decision by judges...
Sometimes it's a lot more fun to watch these guys surf a lot smaller waves because they just play on them and try absolutely ridiculous maneuvers. Like Kelly's second wave... wtf?
Tim Blizzard. In my defense I don't follow surfing much anymore I'm old school and therefore I am biased when it comes to surfers that can still destroy waves like slater in his mid 40s. Does. Yes I exaggerated giving him a 9. But judges way underscored that ride. I call that a pulled air simply because by the time he emerged out of the breaking whitewater he was on his feet. Fuck the technical bullshit his feet became unattached so fucking what he rode away from it and to call it a failed attempt is ridiculous because he was pushing his skills to the limit lost control. For a millisecond them did what was needed to recover and ride on. Any one can see he pulled it and didn't land on his belly he hit his knees on the board.
No idea how they come up with those scores. Both surfers surf really well. I don’t see how Kelly needed a 9. Seems like he got a few low scores, it’s like what more do you want the guy to do?!?
I was like oh Kelly is bustin an air, oh the board blew away, ha the board landed perfectly but Kelly did not, wtf Kelly is standing up. I don't care what the judges said the crowd was vocal about it, they were into it and I would go as far as saying that it was inspiring, sometimes I will watch comp videos until I borderline get sick of seeing cutback, bottom turn, snap. So if you don't think Kelly's ride was good then you are a stiff.
The whole thing is so stupid and surreal... Kelly simply pushed it beyond what the bunch of dunces on that Judges' Panel could understand and was punished by their sheer ignorance. They should ALL issue a public apology and retire from Judging from then on, to at least save their personal records from further scrutiny - or History will never forgive them. Mick being the impeccable character that he is, should watch it again and yield it to Kelly, too. In no way he won that Heat after that unbelievable aerial - and he'll know it right away, after a second viewing. I trust his Dignity to do it so. It's a heavy shame on those Judges and to hell with their so-called "criteria". Who's more important, them or those who push the boundaries - like Kelly Slater always did? Whenever a Genius appear, we should change the Rules to conform to Genius - NOT the other way around. WSL have now a great chance to prove they're not a joke.
+guyfromBR Oh, give me a fucking break.... Dude, tone down the fonboi-ism, I know you love kelly, but this is just ridiculous. Newsflash, he's not going to win every heat, if you come to terms with that you'll enjoy watching surfing much more, and wont be curled up in a ball crying in the corner every time he gets eliminated. Kelly agreed with the judges, not you, so why don't you go get a tissue, dry those eyes off and move on with your life. There's plenty more awesome surfing coming up before Pipe.
+Tim Blizzard You're a joke, poor "Blizzard of manure" guy. You call people "fanbois" but you're CLEARLY working for the WSL, as you've been pestering EACH AND EVERY ONE of the threads in which people with clear-reasoning minds questioning the laughable "4.17" you imbeciles gave to Kelly Slater. If you love the taste of their money or ____ (fill it up to your choice), it's up to you. Just don't try to impose it on others, 'cause to me and maybe ALL of us, you're just a nobody, a nothing about anything, Surfing or otherwise. You have NO Credentials to be respected in here. Now, get OUT of this thread as you've already been unmasked. Please, crawl back to the sewer you came from. Thanks. (This is my short reply, directed to socially dysfunctional morons like you, who can't understand a deeper text in any Language. Now you can go back to watch your "Friends" or "Lost" rerun...) Below is the more substantial reply, for those who are more Mentally & Spiritually developed. OºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºoOºo You're so insensitive to my point that your sheer demonstration of how limited and mediocre a so-called "human" could degrade himself into makes me cringe. Stop eating Meat, Sugar, MSG, etc. and stay away from any Microwave-operated device, as it's clearly affecting what's left of your Reasoning there. You clearly are one of those dunces I alluded to and, understandably so, react in your own shallow way. But I'll reply, nevertheless... Firstly, your overall patronizing tone of "know-it-all", or "the Commendatore", the "man" in charge, just shows how big-headed you are. As if you were some kind of a behind-the-curtains "genius", which possessed some relevant authority to show anything that'll improve Society and Life in any level. By your overall comment, it's clearly not the case. Secondly, it's amazing how you were unable to understand the whole meaning of my rant, which was directed towards the unjust grade of an exceptional performance, an unfair assessment perpetrated by those square-minded bureaucrats at the WSL Judging Panel, (although I'm aware they're not only on WSL but on everything else on this Matrix, of course). That poor excuse for a reasoning you've made above hints me that they might be related to you, 'cause the low-level and mediocrity of their choices seems to share the same origin and tone with yours, judging, again, by your "precious" comment, above. Now, if I like what Kelly Slater stands for? Of course I do, as I'm a Winner in Life, and always in touch with other REAL Winners like KS. Not "actors" and/or those "fake-celebs" corrupted Media use to push around. I mean Real People, whose actions changed History and upgraded Society. That kind of People you'll be only able to see from distance or in photographs via Google Search Engine. I just don't suck on him (as you evidently do), no matter how concealed is your envy of him (KS), as it's evident in the failed pretense that you "don't care", when you're clearly too bitter and conceited while seated on this donkey disguised as a fake high-horse of yours. Basic Psychology explains it. So, still about KS, he's naturally on my "team", of course, as in the "Law of Attraction" - basic Chemistry explains it, ask your teacher. Well, as a Winner I think he's Great, and an inspiration to the few Winners of this World, like myself - which obviously exclude those billions of low-level middlings as yourself. You're clearly envious of Kelly so much because he is someone whose immense accomplishments in Life fairly exceeds what people like you could do in a thousand years. Now, do you think I'm "crying curled up in a ball" here? Hahaha... Trust me, regardless of your Size & Weight, I bet I'm more capable to make you cry than that tiny appendix inside your skull is capable to even describe, let alone imagine. Do you want to accept the bet? I hope you'll take my word on that. I'm confident that you don't want to come to Rio de Janeiro to check it in person. You won't like it. Well, I suggest you go out of this mediocre "panel" there, seek to improve and to grow Mentally/Spiritually, start bit by bit to get in touch with Greatness, and perhaps in the next Incarnation you'll be able to get out of the corral and be a Man of Value. Then Life will smile on you - as it did on Kelly Slater. Just roll the dice... maybe there's still time for you...
guyfromBR Bahahaha!!!!!!! Dude you're a total nutjob. You really think the WSL pays people to go around youtube threads, defending the judges? Seriously..... let me guess, you think the moon landing was faked too? 911 was an inside job? Elivis, I bet you think he's hiding away somewhere? Am i right? And now because I called you a fanboi, which you have demonstrated with that crazy rant of a post, you want to fight me, across the internet? You're a crazy person. I've been commenting in these threads because I don't have Pay TV and I missed Trestles and I wanted to watch the heats. And in every thread there are crazy people like you claiming world wide conspiracies to explain why Mick beat Medina, beat Kelly, beat Adriano. Of course it couldn't be because a 3x world champ simply outsurfed them? No, no way, that couldn't be possibly true, it has to be a conspiracy. Crazy how those judges arent part of a conspiracy when they gave kelly 10 point scores for single manoeuvres, but now, its all fucked. Sure it is buddy, sure it is.... You claim that the judges duped Kelly out of a score, when the man himself Kelly Slater has stated publicly that he thought the score was fair. Do you get that? KELLY THOUGHT THE SCORE WAS FAIR. I love Kelly, I was honoured to watch the bells final between him and mick in 2012, where he did that massive air. I'm a massive kelly fan, a massive Adriano fan, a massive Jon Jon fan. Honestly i'm just a fan of amazing surfing. You on the other hand, you aren't rational about any of this. You have your favourite guy and it doesn't matter what he actually does, or what his competitors do, you defend him even when he doesn't think anything went wrong. Lighten up dude, stop putting SOOOO much emphasis on who's winning and just enjoy amazing surfing. You'll be the happier person you obviously want to be, and wont react like a crazy person when something you dont like happens in a surfing event. Just a tip. ;)
Read the fucking comments, listen to the crowds reaction, there's definitely some bullshit fucking bias here. Seems like the more talent you have, the more critical the haters get. Need some new judges and here in 2019 its the same old shit. Worst contest ever. They even say how much "Freakish Talent" Slater has on each wave but for some reason they think his "mistakes" aren't worth judging when they are better than anyone else's regular surfing. There's a reason the world's best surfers aren't on the WSL.
Kelly got ripped off that wave was10 in my eyes. Just for the uniqueness. Mick is good surfer no doubt, great competitor, but so unexciting. (Way better than I could dream of surfing) but, sorry mick. Yawn, ....no disrespect, just my opinion
the saddest thing about this matchup, is that it is NOT the most blatent example of biased judging from wsl, in a matchup between gabi and ks, even the brazzo's were commenting about ks getting poorly judged, you know it's bad when that happens....
Why doesn't anyone answer all dis the judges comments? Slater lost control of his board but regained it. That means no points for that move. Judges score points on face of wave moves. Cutbacks, lip- smacks, all that but you have to continue to have control. Judges are good surfers, wavesmen, and nautical knowlege people. Rules of judging should be made public.
Kelly slater vs leather face as an cartoon version- but the funny thing is that leather face is worried about the water best battle epic ever so random about nothing
Kelly got absolutely robbed in that heat. Kelly's crazy air was underscored and his last wave should have won him the heat. Judging is underscoring slates bc he has no major sponsor pathetic
That cutback on Kelly's last wave was a thing of beauty . I would have given him the heat even without that so called questionable manuever at the beginning of the heat.
You all and the commentators are missing the point. That air was completely out of control. It was an abortion. It was a mistake to get into that situation in the first place. He blew the air. He got lucky to recover from it. He could not do that air again. It should not be counted. It was blind luck. It doesn't deserve a high score. The judging criteria even explicitly mentions that control is important. EDIT: OK, so the criteria doesn't even mention control, but I stand by my point. If they wouldn't count Kolohe's airs a while back for not having ridden away in the whitewater nobody should expect them to count this air as a make. He rode out of it on his stomach! Zero points.
The best heat I've ever seen live! I met Kelly after the heat and he was laughing about that air. He said he landed on the board hard with both knees and thought he had broken the board. Needless to say there were two massive dings on his board afterwards. Such an epic day at Trestles!!
It may have been a 4.17 in a contest but you pull that shit at your home break and it's a 10!!!
Totally! You made me laugh!🤣
Folks, this was the greatest 4.17 ever...
That was a shit ruling. If they were fair dinkum about denying him that wave then technically they should have given him 2 scores. A 1.5 for the fail. And maybe a 4.8 for the rest of the wave. Judges have NFI
4:17
4.17...... he also did a 360 and a great lipper
on that wave.
Kelly got underscored
Overscored on his last wave
That wave kelly pulled off is probably the most radical wave ever surfed in the wsl.
Mick's mates on judging panel.
In High School we'd drive to Sebastion Inlet and even during the week the place was packed with locals that had the place wired. The refraction wave off the solid jetty truly doubled up and threw far that lip. The wave was peeled incredibly good with Jeff Crawford, Jeff Klugel and other standouts. Carving 360's were the order of the day. Those surfers ripped, did amazing stunts and young Kelly just took it to another level. Still can see Jeff crawford in the most powerful sections just floating like a leaf down vertical wave faces to tuck into a tube or take the top off a wave as he fly's along the steepest part of the lip. Crawford had some moves that perhaps kelly hasn't mastered. It is no wonder that Florida's Crawford won the pipe masters way back then.
Slater you genius! Who else in the world could launch, spin, lose their board in the air, fall six feet, then get back on it in the foam and carve up the rest of the wave.. in a competition. Amazing.
I watched the final and thought... "what did Fanning do to Slater" - then I just saw this and now - what a bummer... Kelly you rock and I think you were robbed... but hey, you surfed the way that we all wish we could.. in our dreams. God Bless you! "Freakish Talent - or a gift from God?"
Hawaiian surfer- built from hardwork
@@malonemalone6873 yeah i could punch ppl that say ur born with it or its talent. its years upon years of hard work that makes you pull stuff like that. raw experience and training. theres nothing spectacular about sth that you have since birth
only a 4.17 for that crazy manouver?
+david muñoz I agree, it was pretty low, though technically it wasn't a manoeuvre: he wasn't connected to his board and it wasn't under control. It was essentially a fucked manoeuvre, with a ridiculously crazy recovery.
Judges have rules for scoring. He lost control of his board so the move didn't add any value to the wavescore. But it looked awesome.
It was incomplete so there was no way it was gonna be high
How many people are going to reply with the same thing? Hey bros, why didnt that move get a higher score?
What about the other maneuvers?
crazy heat well done mick 1(Kellys aerial was insane!)
So his board does a 180 while doing a beyond 180, he lands goofy initially, recovers to rip the wave and the judges give this a 4.17 ....
It was an incomplete maneuver cause he had to pop back up
crooked judges
@@-spyguy-6307 i think even if you just pretended that flip did not happen it still should of been at least a 6
You where robbed there Kelly on your first wave. . True talent and a will always be the best surfer ever
Kelly's second wave = 7.5+. Based on the crowd response (and mine at home), this is the kind of surfing everyone enjoys watching!
I know that 5 years have passed since "that move" - and there is still nobody that could pull it off...and 4.17 is still a stooooopid score for something so astronomically improbable as to make my feeble little brain sputter. Mr. , husband of Lydia.
Mental. It's this kind of judging that makes it so hard for original and innovating surfers like Julian or Jordy to make it to the top.
Typical, another sport where there's no consistency with the judging/officiating. Kelly's please create a rival tour that has better judging.
He landed on his feet NOT in the prone position. That should be one of the best waves ridden in a contest of all time.
Absolutely wonderful surfing. Heard Kelly say he fell indicating judges were right not to give a 10; I love seeing these guys and gals. Going to see the finals Thursday or Friday when surf's up.
Maybe not a 10 , but come on , a four ?
Another Super great thing about Mr. Slat, all his Quicksilver stuff was always the best.
WSL!!! Me and many other people would really like an explanation on the 4.17 ride!!!
If you listen to the commentators they explain that. No points for that move because he lost control of his board but regained it.
It was an incomplete manoeuvre, so they cancelled it out
From a style point of view alone , I think Slater should have won .He looked much more graceful and in flow with the waves as well as having more variety in his manuevers.
What a classic. As per a commenter below, title of this video should be "The Greatest 4 point ride in the history of professional surfing." Insane-Slater had the reflexes of a cat. The judges may have been correct technically, but come on-that was a spectacular, super human move and recovery
Watch Mick's waves and count the number of time he does the exact same turn...variety of maneuvers should be a huge factor in scoring or at list separate all of the criteria and give scores separately for each!
This was just months after Micks shark attack. Great to see him get back in the game so focused.
Slater's degree of difficulty and commitment on that air was huge how can they not give him a better score?
+Colby Halter You mean the one he didn't land?
+Tim Blizzard you mean the one he rode out on?
But he didn’t land
What does Slater have to do to win a heat with these judges ? Where are these guys from anyhow ?
Mick was just more in control and more precise, good win.
you guys need new judges.
Pottz "Mick Fanning riding this wave a little bit more traditional".....lol
At least a 6.37-7.0 put he wasn't in control the whole time but they still needed to judge him for what he did on the wave.
These guys are good.
Freakishly good
2人がカッコいいのなんの、何回見てもあきないね‼️
What Kelly did after that doubtful air, alone, is worth a 7. Very wrong judging.
a nothing carve, a lil 360, a nothing turn and a decent turn on a half foot section is a 7?
much like the judges didn't know what to think of Jay Adams. while the other contestants were doing maneuvers Jay could do in his sleep, he was pushing the limits. until proved otherwise Slater is still the best. I've seen people saying he doesn't have another championship in him and the new guard is poised to send him packing. that's yet to be seen, but I think he could win another one and even if he doesn't he probably has several years of highly competitive surfing left in the tank.
0:45 what the heck!!? Slater is crazy!!
I personally thought that Slater was underscored for his both his 2nd and 4th wave. Bummer.
unanamous.Kellys heat but the judges have final say
No way that was a 4.17 for Kelly. Minimum 8. Most out of it move / recovery I've ever seen. Some pretty weird judging going on, and not just in this heat. Judges should have seen they got it wrong after they scored it and marked him up on his final wave. Heat should have been his for sure.
The commentators even say why the low score. He lost control of his board but regained it. That means no points for that move.
My only guess is that they got the impression it was a failed manoeuver with a freak landing based mainly on luck.
Up for debate whether that regain was down to skill or luck I guess
Kelly and Mick are freakish talent's..!
If you are 40 something and pull an air like that in competition followed by a smooth 360 and couple heavy gouges off the top. I'm sorry but he deserved atleast a 9 for the degree of difficulty. The speed created for the air was on a super long extended drop in bottom turn combo not the usual midface speed pump of typical elite surfers. His surfing blows away whoever happens to be competing against him. And if you don't like watching the best display of surfing trestles might ever see just give him a 4.1 for riding a wave better than anyone will for the remainder of the contest. What a joke
as well as the fact that he completed the wave and all completion long you hear judges like waves to be finished off... he drained that wave and then some. Good comment...
+Russell Ignaciak He didn't pull off the air. A 9?????? you have to be fucking joking right? He didn't land it, his feet weren't even on the board!!! That air was fucked. Yes the recovery was amazing, but you think they should have scored that a 9, the highest score of the heat? Best display of surfing trestles would ever see? What a joke...
If you want the best display of surfing trestles will ever see watch John John's 2014 heat with Kelly and Adriano. it was twice as impressive as anything anyone did in this heat. Fucking fanbois.......
Sum9 Iggy I agree 100%. everybody disagreeing are haters, probably from Brazil
Sum9 Iggy I know you are so right
Sum9 Iggy you are right!!
They say that Kelly lost control of his board.. I doubt that. How can those with inferior surfing skills judge what the surfer's mind thinks is possible. Also listen to the clip, the crowd loved that thar move.
Even kellys transition to re-entry looks smooth. Micks turns were so sick though.
Insane heat
So many times the judges' scores are a joke. It seems that no matter how incredibly you ride the wave, like 20+ seconds of mesmerising surfing, if you come unstuck on the pull-out manoeuvre (only) the score gets halved. Another time (yeah sure the take-off position has to be spot on) the surfer takes a drop pulls in, gets covered, kicks out. Ride takes 5-6 seconds. Scores a 10. That's patently ridiculous.
this competition has been full of things that require some further evaluation, but they're not having it. If both Fanning and Slater's best waves that didn't contain aerials were compared, they're very similar. Fanning had some good moments of control, but Slater threw everything in his performance. There's a moment where Pete and even the Aussie announcer say they think that 4.17 was terribly low and it seems that most agree. For the miniscule amount of time he was disconnected, it should say something about that separation and the fact that the nose never dipped down after landing shows that Kelly had connected to some degree. 6 to 7 IMHO for sheer ability and complication as well the remainder of the wave.
Risk vs Reward Assessment:
Mick played it safe and won.
Kelly rolled the dice on every other wave. There was a point that Kelly noticed that his aerial work wasn't being scored for what it was and played the same hand a Mick to test that out. He was given nothing for both approaches.
This should have been closer than what we see throughout the heat. We can all agree that these are the old guards (just a figure of speech) and two of the most highly regarded in this sport. Aerials from Kelly are what brought this support back from the grave and now they're treated as lame filler. The sponsors can alleviate these issues by means of funding or the lack thereof.
(Even Pupo was scored pretty low for just trying the aerial game too.)
Tahiti was the last solid job in the judging department that was clearcut and concise. I never want to be the heckler on RUclips, but things aren't good.
+Aint1S Dude I disagree on several points.
1) The air. Its ridiculous to say he was disconnected for a minuscule amount of time: his front foot left the board soon as it left the lip, his back foot lost the board after about 90 degrees of rotation, and when he and the board landed neither foot was on the board. As amazing as that recovery was, and trust me, I fount it mind-blowing that somehow he popped up again, that is an incomplete air any way you slice it. So the question is how do you score an incomplete air? And the judges have been very consistent with this: if its incomplete its basically not scored, which in my opinion is fair enough. Otherwise you are rewarding people for just doing crazy shit that is out of control. The rest of the wave looked like a 5 to me. It certainly wasn't as good as the 6 he got later. So the question is, how many points do you give for recovering a total fuck up, where you have to pop up again? Personally I'm not sure. But you think he should get a 7? Something approaching the excellent range? For an incomplete air, popping up twice and then some pretty average manoeuvres (in the context of the heat) on the inside? That seems absolutely ridiculous to me.
2) That airs should be worth more than turns. This just inst the way surfing is scored, never has been, never will be. If it was then professional surfing would be nothing more than an aerial contest; if that's what you are after they exist. In reality airs, rail-work and tube riding are generally not judged independently. It is the difficultly of manoeuvre that is scored, not simply the type. All of Kelly's airs (that he landed) were low difficulty air reverses on the last sections of the wave. In the scheme of airs, that's not a hard one. There's a dude at my local beach break who does air reverses like that in waste high slop all summer long. Look at the difficulty of mick's opening turns on his two best rides (kelly's too for that matter), that rail-work was outstanding; powerful, critical and precise. That's why it was scored higher. That being said the judges have also stated pretty clearly that at certain venues different types of surfing will be moderately preferred: at high performance waves like Bells/Winkipop JBay and Trestles the judges want to see high quality 'traditional' surfing, were at places like teaups, Pipeline and to a lesser extent Cloudbreak turns wont earn you a massive score, its all about a steep drop and deep barrel (the barrel is scored relatively low at Bells), and peaky beaches like Brasil airs are given priority. They have stated this publicly before. But even at a place like Bells, the home of traditional surfing on tour, you can still get a 10 for a single air if the difficulty is high enough (remember that infamous air that these very some judges gave to kelly???). Convenient how people forget...
3) Mick played it safe and won. You are being totally unfair to mick here. The only reason you think he was 'playing it safe' was because he executed his manoeuvres perfectly. Look at his turns for his two best scoring waves; he repeatedly blows the finns, controls the re-entry perfectly - which is extremely difficult - completed 360's and even that whip in the pocket isn't easy. Mick just makes it look easy because his flow, control and connection is so good. Yes kelly may have 'put more into' his turns, in terms of his upper body, but his flow wasn't as good as micks - he got caught between sections several times on his forehand. So why should that be scored higher?
4) That just because you disagree with the judges, there is a problem with professional surfing. I hear this all the time on places like YT from people who are generally just upset because their boy lost, and i'm usually pretty shocked by the level of arrogance people have without even knowing it. Those judges aren't simply some chumps who read a few surfing mags and decided they wanted to be a judge; they are all world class surfers. You remember Tahiti last year where teahups got a 12 foot swell and even pros like wilko were saying they were scared to surf? Well that morning before the contest started all of the judges for the event went out and surfed 8 to 10 foot teahupoo, just so they could have a personal understanding of just how difficult the drop was so they could score accurately. Can you surf 10 foot teahupoo????? No? I didnt think so. But you know how to score professional surfing better than them???? Right....
+Tim Blizzard '
you got it, I dont understand why there are so many people that dont see how great is Fanning style. He is so on point, fast, power, flow and precision.
Wish Kelly stayed on CI boards...
Are the judges on crack or what, 4.17? Even if he wouldnt have went for that maneuver(which was insane) those turns would have easily put it in the 7 point range??
That's what I'm bugged about. He completed that wave to the fullest and if they're that picky, score the first part and then score the second. It was only about 300 milliseconds that he was inactive during his recovery. IMHO 6 to 7 should have been fair and set Kelly's mind at ease as it's a good wave.
Slater is OG , Fanning does the same tricks in every heat....
that should have been 10.10 ride
The scores on Kelly waves are controversial I would say..Mick was flawless and I love his surfing but Kelly was ripping the crap out of everything so radically..
Ahh thanks for reminding me why i don't watch the WSL tour. Just a bunch of great surfers being constrained and punished for surfing outside the box. 4 years later and the WSL scoring system is ever as inconsistent and seems more irrelevant than ever. I'll stick to watching weird and wonderful clips of free-surfers taking creative lines - hopefully Kelly joins Mick amongst their ranks soon.
Slater deserved an 11 for that ride. Insane surfing.
A fucking 15
That Kellys air was something that clearly says who should won this heat, they both rides almost the same usuall stuff, but Kelly make that crazy hard air. And should definitely win this heat. I think it was very bad decision by judges...
Kelly Slater should have been given more points by the judges.
Backside air reverse more likes back side air kick flip reverse
Hold my beer, this is how it is done.
So amazing
Sometimes it's a lot more fun to watch these guys surf a lot smaller waves because they just play on them and try absolutely ridiculous maneuvers. Like Kelly's second wave... wtf?
Idk if he went prone for 1/2 sec- Slater shouldve been given a 5-6 for that quik improv....sorry Mick. I agree with Pottz
Holy shit that air was INSANE.
New rule change: feet on the board --> board is still on the wave.
When Kelly Slater breaths its a 10,,,the Man is going BEYOND "Myth" here C'mon???!!🤯😌😎.
So sick!
I think its fucked up that kelly got less then an 11 on that wave
Tim Blizzard. In my defense I don't follow surfing much anymore I'm old school and therefore I am biased when it comes to surfers that can still destroy waves like slater in his mid 40s. Does. Yes I exaggerated giving him a 9. But judges way underscored that ride. I call that a pulled air simply because by the time he emerged out of the breaking whitewater he was on his feet. Fuck the technical bullshit his feet became unattached so fucking what he rode away from it and to call it a failed attempt is ridiculous because he was pushing his skills to the limit lost control. For a millisecond them did what was needed to recover and ride on. Any one can see he pulled it and didn't land on his belly he hit his knees on the board.
最高！
I swear to god the judges are all smoking crack.... In every contest
Weed 😂😂
No idea how they come up with those scores. Both surfers surf really well. I don’t see how Kelly needed a 9. Seems like he got a few low scores, it’s like what more do you want the guy to do?!?
The judges weren’t thinking clear obviously. Can we get clear minded judges.?
Kelly got robbed again by judges.
I was like oh Kelly is bustin an air,
oh the board blew away,
ha the board landed perfectly but Kelly did not,
wtf Kelly is standing up.
I don't care what the judges said the crowd was vocal about it, they were into it and I would go as far as saying that it was inspiring, sometimes I will watch comp videos until I borderline get sick of seeing cutback, bottom turn, snap. So if you don't think Kelly's ride was good then you are a stiff.
Yes and he pulled off a 360 right after , not even fazed . I think politics had something to do with the low score.
The whole thing is so stupid and surreal... Kelly simply pushed it beyond what the bunch of dunces on that Judges' Panel could understand and was punished by their sheer ignorance.
They should ALL issue a public apology and retire from Judging from then on, to at least save their personal records from further scrutiny - or History will never forgive them.
Mick being the impeccable character that he is, should watch it again and yield it to Kelly, too. In no way he won that Heat after that unbelievable aerial - and he'll know it right away, after a second viewing. I trust his Dignity to do it so.
It's a heavy shame on those Judges and to hell with their so-called "criteria". Who's more important, them or those who push the boundaries - like Kelly Slater always did?
Whenever a Genius appear, we should change the Rules to conform to Genius - NOT the other way around.
WSL have now a great chance to prove they're not a joke.
+guyfromBR Oh, give me a fucking break.... Dude, tone down the fonboi-ism, I know you love kelly, but this is just ridiculous. Newsflash, he's not going to win every heat, if you come to terms with that you'll enjoy watching surfing much more, and wont be curled up in a ball crying in the corner every time he gets eliminated.
Kelly agreed with the judges, not you, so why don't you go get a tissue, dry those eyes off and move on with your life. There's plenty more awesome surfing coming up before Pipe.
+Tim Blizzard Damn iluminatis they are after kelly too ! thats the end of the world what im going to do ? who cam save us ?
+Tim Blizzard
You're a joke, poor "Blizzard of manure" guy.
You call people "fanbois" but you're CLEARLY working for the WSL, as you've been pestering EACH AND EVERY ONE of the threads in which people with clear-reasoning minds questioning the laughable "4.17" you imbeciles gave to Kelly Slater.
If you love the taste of their money or ____ (fill it up to your choice), it's up to you.
Just don't try to impose it on others, 'cause to me and maybe ALL of us, you're just a nobody, a nothing about anything, Surfing or otherwise. You have NO Credentials to be respected in here.
Now, get OUT of this thread as you've already been unmasked.
Please, crawl back to the sewer you came from.
Thanks.
(This is my short reply, directed to socially dysfunctional morons like you, who can't understand a deeper text in any Language. Now you can go back to watch your "Friends" or "Lost" rerun...)
Below is the more substantial reply, for those who are more Mentally & Spiritually developed.
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You're so insensitive to my point that your sheer demonstration of how limited and mediocre a so-called "human" could degrade himself into makes me cringe. Stop eating Meat, Sugar, MSG, etc. and stay away from any Microwave-operated device, as it's clearly affecting what's left of your Reasoning there.
You clearly are one of those dunces I alluded to and, understandably so, react in your own shallow way. But I'll reply, nevertheless...
Firstly, your overall patronizing tone of "know-it-all", or "the Commendatore", the "man" in charge, just shows how big-headed you are. As if you were some kind of a behind-the-curtains "genius", which possessed some relevant authority to show anything that'll improve Society and Life in any level. By your overall comment, it's clearly not the case.
Secondly, it's amazing how you were unable to understand the whole meaning of my rant, which was directed towards the unjust grade of an exceptional performance, an unfair assessment perpetrated by those square-minded bureaucrats at the WSL Judging Panel, (although I'm aware they're not only on WSL but on everything else on this Matrix, of course). That poor excuse for a reasoning you've made above hints me that they might be related to you, 'cause the low-level and mediocrity of their choices seems to share the same origin and tone with yours, judging, again, by your "precious" comment, above.
Now, if I like what Kelly Slater stands for? Of course I do, as I'm a Winner in Life, and always in touch with other REAL Winners like KS. Not "actors" and/or those "fake-celebs" corrupted Media use to push around. I mean Real People, whose actions changed History and upgraded Society. That kind of People you'll be only able to see from distance or in photographs via Google Search Engine. I just don't suck on him (as you evidently do), no matter how concealed is your envy of him (KS), as it's evident in the failed pretense that you "don't care", when you're clearly too bitter and conceited while seated on this donkey disguised as a fake high-horse of yours. Basic Psychology explains it.
So, still about KS, he's naturally on my "team", of course, as in the "Law of Attraction" - basic Chemistry explains it, ask your teacher.
Well, as a Winner I think he's Great, and an inspiration to the few Winners of this World, like myself - which obviously exclude those billions of low-level middlings as yourself. You're clearly envious of Kelly so much because he is someone whose immense accomplishments in Life fairly exceeds what people like you could do in a thousand years.
Now, do you think I'm "crying curled up in a ball" here? Hahaha... Trust me, regardless of your Size & Weight, I bet I'm more capable to make you cry than that tiny appendix inside your skull is capable to even describe, let alone imagine. Do you want to accept the bet?
I hope you'll take my word on that.
I'm confident that you don't want to come to Rio de Janeiro to check it in person. You won't like it.
Well, I suggest you go out of this mediocre "panel" there, seek to improve and to grow Mentally/Spiritually, start bit by bit to get in touch with Greatness, and perhaps in the next Incarnation you'll be able to get out of the corral and be a Man of Value. Then Life will smile on you - as it did on Kelly Slater.
Just roll the dice... maybe there's still time for you...
guyfromBR Bahahaha!!!!!!! Dude you're a total nutjob. You really think the WSL pays people to go around youtube threads, defending the judges? Seriously..... let me guess, you think the moon landing was faked too? 911 was an inside job? Elivis, I bet you think he's hiding away somewhere? Am i right? And now because I called you a fanboi, which you have demonstrated with that crazy rant of a post, you want to fight me, across the internet? You're a crazy person.
I've been commenting in these threads because I don't have Pay TV and I missed Trestles and I wanted to watch the heats. And in every thread there are crazy people like you claiming world wide conspiracies to explain why Mick beat Medina, beat Kelly, beat Adriano. Of course it couldn't be because a 3x world champ simply outsurfed them? No, no way, that couldn't be possibly true, it has to be a conspiracy. Crazy how those judges arent part of a conspiracy when they gave kelly 10 point scores for single manoeuvres, but now, its all fucked. Sure it is buddy, sure it is....
You claim that the judges duped Kelly out of a score, when the man himself Kelly Slater has stated publicly that he thought the score was fair. Do you get that? KELLY THOUGHT THE SCORE WAS FAIR.
I love Kelly, I was honoured to watch the bells final between him and mick in 2012, where he did that massive air. I'm a massive kelly fan, a massive Adriano fan, a massive Jon Jon fan. Honestly i'm just a fan of amazing surfing. You on the other hand, you aren't rational about any of this. You have your favourite guy and it doesn't matter what he actually does, or what his competitors do, you defend him even when he doesn't think anything went wrong.
Lighten up dude, stop putting SOOOO much emphasis on who's winning and just enjoy amazing surfing. You'll be the happier person you obviously want to be, and wont react like a crazy person when something you dont like happens in a surfing event.
Just a tip. ;)
Sure man thanks but watch out for the illuminati they are out there. take care.
no entiendo como gano fanning
Right right!!! CORREC.
hey!
Read the fucking comments, listen to the crowds reaction, there's definitely some bullshit fucking bias here. Seems like the more talent you have, the more critical the haters get. Need some new judges and here in 2019 its the same old shit. Worst contest ever. They even say how much "Freakish Talent" Slater has on each wave but for some reason they think his "mistakes" aren't worth judging when they are better than anyone else's regular surfing. There's a reason the world's best surfers aren't on the WSL.
Go d to head battle it out then shake hands and put their arms around each other.....that’s the way life should be!
What 4.77 Kelly did a sick air but I still like fanning the most
Just saying I surf myself
Your a loser
They should have fired all those judges.
A 4.17!!!no ways givve that a 9 for pure freak level
Kelly should have gotten a ten for that second wave
Kelly mister the surfing forever
Kelly got ripped off that wave was10 in my eyes. Just for the uniqueness. Mick is good surfer no doubt, great competitor, but so unexciting. (Way better than I could dream of surfing) but, sorry mick. Yawn, ....no disrespect, just my opinion
bro it wasnt a complete manouver cus he didnt land on his feet
kelly for me
the saddest thing about this matchup, is that it is NOT the most blatent example of biased judging from wsl, in a matchup between gabi and ks, even the brazzo's were commenting about ks getting poorly judged, you know it's bad when that happens....
Why doesn't anyone answer all dis the judges comments? Slater lost control of his board but regained it. That means no points for that move. Judges score points on face of wave moves. Cutbacks, lip- smacks, all that but you have to continue to have control. Judges are good surfers, wavesmen, and nautical knowlege people. Rules of judging should be made public.
1:28...🔝👌😵
Kelly slater vs leather face as an cartoon version- but the funny thing is that leather face is worried about the water best battle epic ever so random about nothing
❤ wow. dang. :)
Two monsters..
Judging?Kelly did it for me but hey ho well done Mick.Two great legends
They look like they are in 2× speed
Kelly got absolutely robbed in that heat. Kelly's crazy air was underscored and his last wave should have won him the heat. Judging is underscoring slates bc he has no major sponsor pathetic
That cutback on Kelly's last wave was a thing of beauty . I would have given him the heat even without that so called questionable manuever at the beginning of the heat.
You all and the commentators are missing the point. That air was completely out of control. It was an abortion. It was a mistake to get into that situation in the first place. He blew the air. He got lucky to recover from it. He could not do that air again. It should not be counted. It was blind luck. It doesn't deserve a high score. The judging criteria even explicitly mentions that control is important.
EDIT: OK, so the criteria doesn't even mention control, but I stand by my point. If they wouldn't count Kolohe's airs a while back for not having ridden away in the whitewater nobody should expect them to count this air as a make. He rode out of it on his stomach! Zero points.
frank the fairy flower
# holding on
Legauuuu
OMG KELLY
The only thing worse than the judges that day was listing to Joe Turple prattle on about inside corners and visions .FFS !!
Damn -- four characters, in radar beams-- he never goes, foreward! Plane Geometry
kkkkkkkk q, o cara dropou a mesma onda duas fucking vzs?? Barriu dms Kenny! 1:23 e 1:29