Is There Proof Outside of the Bible that Jesus Existed?
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2015
- This video is part of a live Q&A with author and former devout Muslim Nabeel Qureshi on March 22, 2015 at Christ Community Chapel.
For more information about Christ Community Chapel, please visit our website at ccchapel.com.
R.I.P. Brother you left way too early, but thank the Lord you got to know him as soon as you did. We will talk later, maybe show me around.
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He will rest in peace because he knew Jesus
He served his purpose he directed me to god ❤️ rest in peace . ill never forget him
@@jorgeguerrero5478 ruclips.net/video/ZGi7KUlVF-w/видео.html
What does living too early really mean?
RIP NABEEL YOU ARE THE LEGEND , we people from tanzania recognize you and David wood sam shamoun, robert spencser and the late Ravi as the greatest Christians of all time
Imani Kalongolela
Habari yako.
You have found Jesus who "according" to the gospel of John cried on the cross " Eli Eli lema sebachani " My God My God why
have You forsaken me. That doesn't sound like the words of one who is supposed to be sacrificed for the original sin and for all other sins. It clearly indicates that our Jesus was not crucified or killed but God raised him up as is mentioned in the Quran.
God did not allow such a cursed and degrading thing to happen to his beloved Messenger and Prophet. Because He is All-Merciful, he forgave Adam and Eve for the Sin after they regretted and repented because His Justice is Complete and Perfect.
He does not make anyone responsible for the sins of others unless you lead others astray then, you will carry your load and the loads of those whom you lead astray.
My dear, christianity was formed by Paul who was against the apostles who believed in God Almighty and Jesus who was His
prophet and messenger as he clearly said that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and not the gentiles and he did not come to change the laws of Moses but to bring back the Jews to spirituality since they had become materialistic in all their ways.
His miraculous birth and the miracles that God gave him was to prove this.
I would also like to point out that John:1 was not in the original.scripture. This is the backbone and the base of modern day christianity and when the base is fragile the building will collapse. And it has. This was discovered by christian scholars in
1952 after studying the old manuscripts and that it was an addition by a scribe and they dropped it out of the revised standard
edition ( the first print ) and returned it to the following edition since this would cause the building to collapse.
Your four gospels " according " to Matthew, Mark Luke and John. were not written by the apostles who were the only witnesses and they were selected from among more than 1000 gospels and Arias and his followers who were true Unitarians
were banished and persecuted because they believed that Jesus was the beloved Prophet and Messenger of God.
There is proof that Jesus Existed -
The Quran is proof enough that Jesus existed as one of the Greatest Prophets and Messengers of Almighty God.
You have ears but you do not hear.
You have eyes but you do not see.
@@faezbokair3162 safi kwema?
@@faezbokair3162
Qur'an 4:157
We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.
1st: The early Jews are religious people, they wouldn't kill him if they know and believe that he is a messenger of God and yet your Qur'an said that they did it and are proud about it.
2nd: So your Qur'an says that it was made to appear to them, therefore it said that Allah deceived that early Christians about the death and resurrection and many people believe it and they are going to hell because of what he has done?
3rd: The people who wrote this news are actual witnesses who saw the incident and yet you choose to believe a certain self-proclaimed witness from 600 years later.
4th: Christianity rises because the earliest Christians are willing to die preaching about Jesus while Islam rises because Muhammad killed those who don't submit.
See the difference? One is because of love and the other one is because of terror.
5th: the death and resurrection of Jesus can be proved outside the bible while all your assumptions are only based on Qur'an, so if Qur'an is from a false prophet, then you are believing in a lie your whole life. Afterall, Muhammad is a very questionable figure base on history.
Yeah and they have you worshiping and believing in a blonde hair blue-eyed Jesus lol.
R.I.P. Nabeel! ♥️
@@e23g72 He (brother Nabeel) is now in better place, where are Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the most important where is the presence of God Jesus! God bless you Eliot!
@@user-ek2ms4om7p 😥😥😭
I geuss thats too bad
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We will forever miss, Brother Nabeel. His ministry is/was amazing.
Victoria DelSanto why didnt he pray the cancer away?
We will not miss him forever. We will see him risen before us with christ. And we will be living with Jesus along with nabeel forever.😇
@@Szechaun_Don I know your question. I had the same question a year back, why God didn't heal him, not like a random person away from the situation, but I literally cried a lot for the young life lost early, and all. As nabeel is saying in this video, I realized the question itself is wrong. God knew that this young doctor had a very little time on earth and he has speeded up every good thing in his life to happen, Conversion to be a Christian, not a normal Christian a true Christian with lots of knowledge and strong believer and all. There are many people in Bible who died or rather who were murderd in their young age like Stephen. And none other than Jesus was murdered at an young age probably at the age of nabeel. GOD didn't stop the crucifixion not because he is not able,just BECAUSE GOD CARES ABOUT HOW WE LIVED OUR LIFE RATHER THAN HOW WE DIED. So don't worry dear he will be a young energetic and God's favourite angel for ever when christ comes. Dont loose your hope. God's plan is beyond our dimension.
Myron Peyton Myron Peyton God apparently wanted Nabeel in his prescence
Victoria DelSanto 💙
Also the independent sources that talk about Jesus/Apostles are simply citing what Christians believed.
Richard Underwood
That’s a clever excuse
This "evidence" is simply discussions of what the cult of Christianity believedat the time and what Christians were. It is not evidence of a historical Jesus.
Lúzia A Morta, the fact that people believed in someone and worshiped someone as a god is not proof that the person was a god, there have been thousands of different people throughout history that were worshiped as gods, but obviously they were not gods, to any Christians reading this comment I ask the question: why do you not believe what Islam teaches? Historians agree that the prophet dude(forgot his name) that founded Islam really existed, in fact there are significantly more historian that believe the profit dude existed, than historians that believe Jesus really existed. why is that not enough proof that Islam is true?
Lúzia A Morta, “ I don’t believe the Quran because I believe in Jesus” , I am not, nor have ever been a Muslim, so I do not know exactly what Islam teaches but I am pretty sure that they believe Jesus existed, they just do not think he was the Messiah or the son of god, also if you believe in Islam, then you would not believe that Jesus had prophesied everything that needed to be prophesied, also if Jesus had prophesied every thing and there was no reason for new prophecy, then why did god inspire someone(I think it was suppose to be one of the Johns that got inspired, but it might have been Peter) to write the book of Revelations, which is an entire book full of prophecies of what would happen in the future? Also when you respond to comments please respond with just 1 big comment and not 3 small ones.
response to your 2nd comment:
No I do not have proof that certain kings, Japanese empowers, or Pharos were not gods, but I strongly believe they were not gods for the same reasons that I do not believe Jesus was the son of god, or did miracles, which is the fact that there is not any actual proof.
Lúzia A Morta, okay, I am not denying that ether, nor did I think anyone else was
He's with Jesus now. I'm jealous. God Bless!
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Alexander 💙
@amir hamza pedophile muhammad is in hell, maybe u should read Nabeel's books
amir hamza he’s asleep in the grave going to be woken by Christ and brought to heaven on judgement day
@amir hamza how does that make any sense? Why would Jesus be in heaven but not Nabeel??
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A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.
Proverbs:14:6
those who seek the truth shall find. God's word, the Bible, is the truth! Watch on youtube the research that has been done so far:
1. Miracles at the Crucifixion of Christ by Genesis Apologetics.
2. Ancient Chinese records on Jesus by gtasoul.
3. Noah's Ark Found? The Ron Wyatt Story by Discovered Media.
4. God in Ancient China by Scott Sacker.
5. Dinosaurs and the Bible with Bryan Osborne by Answers in Genesis.
All on youtube.
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And morons quote fucking bibles verses to try and justify their moronic beliefs.
riny swanson
And I ain’t your fuckin’ bro.
riny swanson
Oh boy, first you threaten hellfire and now you want to infer violent behavior. Jebus must be super proud of you boy.
RIP Br. Nabeel, you were great apologists. May God bless your family
Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.
Caesar did exist, so as Jesus!
Well, I believe your comparison is unjust. Comparing fiction (Batman) to non-fiction (life of Jesus) is like comparing Apples to Oranges. But I will play along. (Also, I am assuming you don't think Jesus existed).
In the context of the verse Matthew 22:21, the Pharisees are asking if it's right to pay taxes to Caesar (they were testing Jesus [Matthew 22:16-17]). If Jesus never existed, why would the Pharisees go and test the non-existent Jesus? As a matter of fact, their reasoning behind testing Jesus was to catch him off guard and call him out and kill him so he wouldn't gain control over all of Israel. Why would the Pharisees feel so threatened by Jesus if he never existed?
@thePiercingTruth Tiberius Caesar Did really exist by history and by facts during his reign between 15 to 37 AD as the emperor of Rome. In fact there is an actual coin in museum where Ceasar head and name engraved on it.Don't confuse between facts and fiction. eh.
@thePiercingTruth
And we have no proof of Paul's Jesus that is nobody wrote about him toll 40AD, past That generation.
I think she meant historical accounts from when he was alive. Actual records from that time. I imagine a person like that would have some attention and there for press of some kind.
There was no "press" no internet
Press? 😂🤦🏾♀️
Letters and occasional writings were the only records of the time.
It makes no sense to expect to find records about Jesus while he was alive or crucified, nobody knew much about him, he was just another prisoner sentenced to die like many other before and after him. The record couldn't come unless several years later thanks to his followers and historians wanting to write the story from them.
It's hard to believe nabeel is no more
He'll be missed always
Shut up
@@amaralabbas3048 Surah 4:82
Quran gave the test if this not true you will find lots of contradiction
Contradictions
How many days did it take Allah to create the heaven and Earth??
Some verse say 6,7,8
What he created first??
Mountain, Sky
Surah 2:29, Surah 79:32, Surah 41:9
QURAN 87:6
Allah to Muhammed You will not forget the Quran
He forgot:
Sahih al-Bukhari 5038
Narrated Aisha:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."
Quran 2:108
Iwill make you forget to Muhammed You will forget.
Such a confused Muhammad
Christians, Jews, Sabians(idol worshiper) will go to heaven.
Later
Jew and Christians will not go to heaven...
allah confused, and failing his own test, Clearly not from the true and living God
Nabeel was wonderful!
No contemporary first hand evidence. No Roman records. Seems unusual to me if Jesus was really performing all the miracles and making making such an impact as you subscribe to him.
I'm sorry, did I miss something? Are you implying that you have all the records created by all officials from the first century? Please describe this library of remarkable documents. Show us all the recordings created by Pilate's court recorder. Finding out his name would be handy as well. While you are at it, see if you can bring out Herod's documents as well. If what you claim is true then you should able to go through every document written around the time of christ and show us that he never entered the presence of either Pilate or Herod.
But that is impossible and you know it. We have no documents from that area at all. You cannot claim that nothing was written about Jesus because you do not have any collection of any documents. We don't even have the complete records of the historians of whom we are familiar. And many of the historians of the time had no interest in recording the goings on in a small insignificant province when they had the glories of the Roman empire to document. Don't forget that Jesus was never a political figure. He established no government, led no revolt, fought with no one and died as a criminal. The most controversial political comment he made was "give unto caesar what is caesar and unto God what is God's" Definitely not very revolutionary by any stretch of the imagination.
Even if his expolits were recorded it would not be of interest to the wider Roman empire. His impact came after he died and rose again. It was then that the truth of all that he said struck home with his followers but by then he was no longer there to be recorded by local writers. As the saying goes "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
1961casey wow, maybe you should have been keeping records! There is so much in what you say I don’t know where to begin so I won’t. I hope you and your gods will be very happy together.
No how silly of me. I don’t have all the records. Wow what an idiot I am you must be right and god does exist! Also I have not looked under every rock in the universe, so I guess that means that your god does exist. I feel such a fool. Really arguments like yours are juvenile.
@@Harlem1991 You are correct. You are an idiot if believe that there was nothing recorded about Jesus. It would be the as you looking out into your back yard and claim rabbits don't exist because they are not there. It is not my arguements that are juvenile it is your claims that are void of reason.
1961casey oh we could go around in circles all day calling each other names, but it is really not worth it. Nothing you can say will make me change my mind and nothing I say will make you change yours. So we will have to agree like gentle folk to disagree. 🌷
The writings of Flavius Josephus, a Romano-Jewish scholar from the first century, are also very insightful concerning historical things about Christ. That's not all his writings are about, but there's some in there. I highly recommend anyone to get his complete works. Very interesting. Halley's Bible handbook (probably my favorite book outside of the Bible) is also very good. It has commentary on the Bible, but it has historical matters near the end of the book.
Do you really want people to wade through the 36 odd volumes written by Flavius Josephus before finally coming upon the two flagrantly forged paragraphs in which the forger makes reference to Jesus? Even the most fundamentalist Christian scholar acknowledges this short passage to be a forgery.
Is there any proof anywhere that the Bible story of the resurrection of Jesus actually happened?
Not that it matters but here are a few. Flavius Josephus Jewish historian Tacitus a Roman historian, Lucian of Samosata. Try and find them in the divine evidence web site.Thallus told of an eclipse during the death of Jesus. Celsus h...Galen g...Suetonius f.. of course Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 a.d. just a few. If any of us tried to trace our history, it is hard to do. History & facts of 2000 yrs. is hard to find. but 500 people witnessed Jesus after death. Most critics back then didn't say he did not exist, but rather denied his claims. This is a new teaching, hey he did not exist. Most scholars we here about are decades later written about so we could use that argument in most of our history. I have trouble proving my family. does that mean they don't exist?
Paul Rock Thank you sir.
Paul Rock , I see your point i used those sources also . But they are not eyewitness to the resurrection , they were not even there when Jesus lived . 2000 yrs is hard to find , but we do find it in Egyptian history , and further back in Surmerian how they lived and who were kings during certain reigns .
Also this is not a new teaching , some of the early Americans (fathers) did not believed .Albert Schweitzer a German Missionary and Theologian wrote a book called " Quest of the historical Jesus " came to the conclusion the Bible Jesus never existed .
Don't forget we lived in the western christian world . The consensus are going to be pro-Christian . It won't work in Muslim and other non-christian countries .
I cannot proved my family existed 200 yrs. ago . But if one was born of a virgin , walk on water , feed 5000 people with a small bite , rose from the dead . I think we would have more direct evidence . Instead of stories written decades after the fact .
People who are writing about what Christians believe aren't writing about what happened.
You would easily be able to find multiple sources of evidence proving your family exists, even your dead relatives. Why can't you for Jesus?
Timeshark , I think you just hammer the nail .
@James Brice , slow down James . What did the Talmud say ? Because their were other people call Jesus ; what other writings as you say ? Remember now what I'm questioning is " what contemporary eyewitness do we have about Jesus "?
The three wise man where Kurdish Zoroastrians Maggs/Priest.
The Zoroastrians wrote about Jesus too. He is real.
Agent James plenty of evidence, once the heart is softened, the mind is opened up for that evidence.
Agent James Each individual will have to answer for themselves, the question Jesus ask his disciples at Caesarea Philippi. “ Who do you say I am “ (Mark 8:29).
These writing he speaks of are not in the bible?
Is there any proof of Jesus perfoming miracles or proof of him being risen from the dead?
Thiest: Jesus really did exist and heres the evidence!
Athiest: There is zero evidence that jesus existed..
Thiest: i just showed you that Jesus really did exist and heres the evidence again!
Athiest: There is zero evidence that jesus existed..
just admit that the idea of jesus existing is something to HATE and you dont want to there to be evidence.. so you deny EVERYTHING
Justin Caleb nothing mentioned here is evidence. Writing that someone was worahipped as a god is not proof they existed. Otherwise you would have to believe in zeus, thor, and every other god in history. None of the bible writers were eyewitnesses either. All the "evidence" is just heresay. Thats not evidence
Justin Caleb but there's no reason to hate the idea. Even if you proved that a man named jesus existed, was worshipped, and crucified, it still would not prove that he was god. It would accomplish very little for you. Which makes it that much funnier that your "evidence" is so thin
Him being God is a completely different story, Im talking about ignorant people who doubt he even existed, as an historical figure.
With your logic Millions of humans didnt exist because we cant prove that an individual human from 3000 years ago existed.
Besides i was quoting this
ruclips.net/video/ksvCMb24MF0/видео.html
the other guy thinks that saying "he doesnt exist" some how proves it
By definition, science cant never disprove God or anything else really..
Athiest can only use "no evidence there for it must not exist"
or more like they dont want God to exist.
Justin Caleb,
I think your first comment is spot on.
Theist: Jesus really did exist and heres the evidence (produces none)
Atheist: There is no evidence that jesus existed.
BTW did you know we have a definition for the term exist. Your god doesn't match the definition.
170221dn lol my comment is to show that regardless of what you say or show atheist will still deny it because the truth is, they would rather it not be true..
It's sad how much they whine about not being able to use their fictional book(s).
They're weren't. The Bible is not a fictional book. They show you evidence including the Bible yet you are still in false denial.
@@Michaelvarez
The Bible is a fictional book.
You need to understand that the Earth is not created 6000 years ago as the Bible says
we now know the earth is more like 85 billion years old.
I think you should burn your Fictional Bible.
I’m not religious, but open to the idea that there was a man called Jesus who walked the earth and had a big influence on people. BUT can someone say with certainty that jesus walked the earth without any physical evidence? Cleopatras body is in the british museum and she lived before jesus.
Why was/is there so many versions of the bible with so many parts taken out and adjusted/altered etc....
Mohamed Ismail there are many different Christian religions based on the many different views of the Bible. For example, a Catholic would believe that Jesus made Peter the first Pope when he called him Cephas meaning rock, so they would stress that story by including the full thing. Another religion like Greek Orthodox would disagree with that so they would cut some of that story out of their Bible or reword its original translation to fit their religion. Also some religions believe in more scriptures while others believe in less. It’s hard because the Bible is multiple pieces of writing, not just one book by one person. This increases its validity while also making it difficult to make one book.
@@JohnDoe-he2kj so is the real word of god-just general question. Nothing personal
Mohamed Ismail I’m sorry, may you please reword this? I am having trouble understanding what you have said. Thank you!
@@JohnDoe-he2kj apologies-is the bible then the word of God or is it a compilation of what man has thought is the best interpretation.
Mohamed Ismail the Bible is a mix of both actually. It contains the Word of God, the views of God by humans, the affects on the Earth because of God, and even fake stories known as didactic fiction that are used to teach us valuable lessons about God.
I love this!!😍😍AMEN!!
one of the most famous archaeologists of the last century was Sir William Ramsay, who disputed the accuracy of events recorded by Luke in the book of Acts. Ramsay believed those events to be little more than second-century, fictitious accounts. Yet after years of (literally!) digging through the evidence in Asia Minor, Ramsay concluded that Luke was an exemplary historian. In the decades since Ramsay, and other scholars have suggested that Luke’s historical background of New Testament times is among the best ever produced. One way to prove that the Bible is inspired would be to show that all the checkable facts in it are correct. Another way to prove its inspiration would be to show that the predictions it makes regarding future events are correct. As it turns out, one of the most impressive internal proofs of the Bible’s inspiration is its predictive prophecy. In fact, the Bible prophecy - completely foretold to the minutest detail and fulfilled with the greatest precision - has confounded critics for generations. The Bible contains numerous prophecies about the individuals, nations, critics, and even the promised Messiah.
In order for a prophecy to be valid. It must meet certain criteria.
• First, it must be a specific, detailed statement - not something that is vague or general in nature.
• Second, there must be enough time between the prophetic statement and its fulfillment so that there is no chance whatsoever of the prophet having the ability to influence the outcome.
• Third, the prophecy must be stated in clear, understandable terms.
• Fourth, the prophecy must not have historical overtones. In other words, true prophecy should not be based on past (or current) societal or economic conditions.
• Fifth, a clear, understandable, exact prophecy must have a clear, understandable, exact fulfillment. It is not enough to suggest that a certain event came true with a “high degree of probability.” The fulfillment must be unmistakable and must match the prophecy in every detail.
Two questions come to mind: (1) Does the Bible contain predictive prophecy: and (2) if it does, can the predictive prophecy be proven true? The answer to both questions is, “Yes!” The Bible’s prophecy fits the criteria perfectly - each and every time.
Ul always be my bigger brother nabeel ! hope to see u in the next life !
Wow needed to hear this
R.i.p nabeel 😊❤️
One of the great apologists of our day. We miss you Nabeel.
Do not be sad for him, for he is now happy and prosperous in jesus's hands 😇
@@thomasboi2255 Can you please tell how he passed.
@@lynnedavies5884 I do believe it was cancer.
@@bub6871 Thank you.
really ? he had no information some guys book
What is the best evidence for the claims you make regarding religion. Anyone is free to answer this.
Stone evidence. Statues and coins and carvings , images and texts carved on stone or metal.
Jesus? None...........Attis & Cybele & Hermaphrodites? there is many
and greek, came from PHONECIAN.(biblical Hebrew). Jesus was invented to hide/replace Attis worship. A compilation of many figures.....Mithradites Chrestus IV....pederasts and catamites, the greek link. @GALLI........the 'archgallus' oracle, the priest for the emporer.
Brian:try study al quran and may be you will get new information/knowledges.
Name one first hand account.
@James Brice
Anonymous authors. As far as I've known, most bible scholars even agree with that fact.
This is also granting that they are "first hand account." Given how late they were written down as opposed to what supposedly happened
Atheists are very interesting to me. I do not understand why they spend so much energy argueing about Jesus. I do not believe in unicorns but do not spend my days finding people who do so I can convince them of my lack of belief. Usually when someone gets angry or insults others beliefs its because they are afraid they may be wrong. Troll on little trolls Jesus still loves you
Because Christians vote. When you believe in things that can't be proved, it skews your worldview. That reflects on your vote. That is why Christians still get behind Trump even though he is a horrible person who cheated on his wife with a pornstar.
Why do atheists do so much reading and research about Jesus, is because we want to understand how a man or a myth became the Christian Jesus. It is an interesting question that I'd like to know and learn about. And, we are (often) former Christians who realized that Christianity is bunk, so we had to learn why we were seduced. That's why.
E. Lewis Basher that will continue to happen during judgement if you are a bad human . Good ones are saved
Because atheist value truth and hate lies and liars.
Jerry Langlois wrong. Atheist love to push their ideas . They don't seek the truth . They even deny historical facts of Bible just to push their theory
Watch also the HD video entitled "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel in my channel. Like and subscribe for more...
All the evidences he mentioned are not historians. What about josepeus, flavias etc.
Because Josephus, Favias information is from the book of Matthew and the other is a Christian Forgery.
The problem with your argument is this...
1. The Bible, although was made up of different books, all had to pass through the hands of Constantine who we all know had the canons manipulated.
2. The other sources are not from the time of Jesus. They are from many many years later. Pliny the Younger was born in 61 AD and died 131 AD.
There are ZERO historians that lived at the time of Jesus who mention him. Not one.
jim doe Please Prove Historical Evidence outside of the Bible that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John even existed.
jim doe ...and the Bible is not a “historical” record.
VanBurf Media Lucian of Samosata wrote about Christians in israel worshipped an man and Lucian existed in 100 AD so yes he existed and also tacitus he wrote about jesus too
@@bosniantheolog3451
Can you find anyone who wrote about Jesus before 40 AD.....
Publius Cornelius Tacitus who was Born: c. 56 AD is no evidence at all and here say.
Jesus Christ existed. All of the evidences and information can be seen in my small youtube video "Jesus Christ vs. Pharisaism."
try again
I don't need to try anything. Facts are Facts. Even Jewish rabbis point out that Jesus Christ existed.
Jesus Christ severely criticized the Pharisees and the scribes for obeying Traditions of the Elders which nullified the word of God (Matthew 15, Mark 7).
Traditions of the Elders later came to be known as Talmud.
Rabbi Michael Rodkinson - "The Talmud, then, is the written form of that which, in the time of Jesus, was called the Traditions of the Elders, and to which he makes frequent allusions" (Source - The History of the Talmud, Vol. II, page 70, Chapter IX).
Well said bballisbest
BBALLISBEST Excellent responses! You've done your homework. Gold stars for you! 🌟🌟🌟🌟
dstarkspp Debstable. Most of the things you said were controversial topics still in question, not proven false for sure.
How can they say Jesus when the letter j didn’t even exist at the time I believe is wrong to call the great man buy the wrong name there is no possible way to translate his name to Jesus?
I’m not one to comment on posts or get into debates, but Jesus had several names in the Bible. For example those who believed in him called him the “son of David” or “messiah” or “Christ”. Ultimately God is all powerful and he knows our hearts and minds better than we do ourselves. So even if Jesus isn’t his real name (which I believe it is) he would understand that we are meaning to speak to him and love him even if we use a name that isn’t his. It’s the intent of the heart not the word itself that interests God.
Cameron Magee not really but translations are incorrect the word Jesus didn’t exist untill the 16th century I believe in faith if you believe than it’s real to you but it’s not a debate no man named Jesus was ever crucified how can you believe there’s historical facts of a Jesus existing in the time period they claim so I just wonder who you believe the spirit inside your heart those names didn’t exist there is how many original copy’s of the Bible books and not one of those name are in it or able to translate to those names your using he was never called when he was alive I believe in god but it’s not possible to translate not a one to those names
Read people read for once read any of the translations it’s clear messiah does not mean son of god so even with incorrect translations messiah is a real profit but not the son of god unless the word messiah you or whoever told you messiah is a name for the son of god that’s not the translation It’s not a debate he had one name and I just wonder If people understand the man they call Jesus might care you think he has multiple names and to believe they all died the same day and they is record of it that’s completely just a lie but Not to mention he didn’t do everything the son of god will do if you read a white Or brown or black bible since those made up English words have been spread across the world it has brought the complete opposite of peace on earth more people have killed over these names and people who never excited untill the English language was created iam talking centuries after the stories and I believe the name god gave him is the one god gave him and it was only one name
Yaar I'm a Christian born and baptized in Christian family but Nabeel you are way better, May God bless and support your family. Amen
1:12 The problem is when historical documents make claims that are scientifically impossible the entire document should be taken with a grain of salt.
Like the theory of evolution that's taught in school's?
@@brandonroot7848 Evolution does not contain anything scientifically impossible. Also, it has been observed in the lab and field, both micro and macro, and is therefore a fact.
@@doctorwebman the origin of first life is not testable or observable. Getting life from none life is impossible and has never been observed or demonstrated. Micro has been observed macro hasn't been observed.
Your statement is not correct, and if history was documented using this principle we would have omitted a great deal of it.
So basically according to your logic Ninjas never existed?! Just because of some exaggeration made by deluded people?!
Whereas any one with the slightest knowledge of history should know that Ninjas were real. However, one must always separate reality from fiction.
@@naser1109 "We should take impossible magical claims with a grain of salt."
"Your statement is not correct, and if history was documented using this principle . . ."
Right. Are you listening to yourself? There is a difference between a ninja and a magical Jesus.
Jesus Himself gives the greatest evidence outside of the Bible:
John 10:37-38 "Don't believe Me, unless I do the works of My Father.But, if I do them, though you don't believe Me, believe the works - the miracles - so that you may know that the Father and I are one."
What's he saying?
You don't have to believe anything I say, unless there are miracles from God that validates my message.
The modern church expects that the world will flock to Jesus because we say we have good theology, or proof from historical data.
If we want to represent Jesus well, we need to follow in His footsteps. If the Father doesn't validate our message, maybe we aren't sharing the same message, and people have reason not to believe it.
That bias book is not proof....
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BBALLISBEST enjoy your hell.
BBALLISBEST, if you watch the video, you will hear the man say that it is agreed upon by historians that the existence and crucifixion of Jesus Christ by Pontius Pilate is a distinct certainty. In other words, no serious historian questions it. They are not just using the Bible to prove itself, there are several non-biblical sources that were not written by Christians at all that lend credence to what the Bible says as a historically accurate text. There is actually a lot more evidence to support the Jesus Bible stories than you think.
Who told you that no one has any evidence to support the Jesus Bible stories? That statement could not be more wrong. For the longest time, people thought that not even Pontius Pilate existed. That is, until the "Pilate stone" was uncovered. The Pilate Stone was dated by historians to have come from the era of Jesus, and bears the inscription of Pilates name. This is evidence literally engraved in stone and has been deemed authentic. There is not much if any evidence or mention outside of the Bible for the existence of Pilate himself. If it were not for the Bible, we probably never would have heard of Pilate. The fact that we uncovered evidence for his existence literally engraved in stone proves the Bible is historically accurate. The Bible has even been used as a road map to the location of cities buried in the desert that we might otherwise have never been found. Through archeology and digging those places up once again proves the Bible historically accurate. These are facts that you could easily find out for yourself if you did the research.
Actually, a lot of the books in the Bible were written by the people who were actually there, so even if they WERE written 40-70 years after the fact, it doesn't make them any less accurate. Take for instance the book of Galatians. It is well known that the book of Galatians was written by the apostle Paul, serious historians do not dispute this. Paul was there. Paul was actually known as Saul of Tarsus before he became a Christian. Saul of Tarsus made a habit of persecuting Christians, murdering Christians as well as throwing them into prison, until Saul met Jesus after he had been crucified and resurrected. This indeed had a very dramatic effect on Saul and from that day forward, he was a self-proclaimed believer in Christ.
There ARE non-biblical sources that acknowledge Jesus as a miracle worker, such as the Talmud. However, the Talmud rather calls Jesus a "wizard" and a "magician", and cites the source of his power as from the devil and not from God. There are other non-biblical sources that cite Jesus as a doer of great works. Again, a little bit of research can go a long way.
BBALLISBEST, what's more of a myth? That the universe actually has a creator and is a product of His spirit, OR that the universe created itself at random from absolutely nothing? For me, it actually takes less faith to believe in God than to believe in the miracle of the universe creating itself and life itself from absolutely NOTHING. In order to be an Atheist, you actually have to believe in miracles, and that miracle is the universe from nothing. I don't have enough faith to believe in nothing, and I don't believe in miracles. The miracles in the Bible, I don't consider those miracles. I consider those acts of God that are possible through His grace and can easily be expected. For someone who can create an object like a star, our sun, which puts out more energy per second than all of the energy created by mankind throughout our entire history, and then to create a virtually endless ocean of them, and who can create life on the most microscopic and macroscopic scale, whose divine work extends beyond the limits of our ability to comprehend, for someone who can do all of that.......dare I say that the miracles of Jesus are mere childs play.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God sends children to Hell. By your logic, it seems like you are willing to believe that all aborted babies go to Hell, which again, nowhere in the Bible does it say that children go to Hell.
You want to sit there are say that mass murderers get to go to heaven. Jesus died for all of mankind to have the opportunity to repent and be forgiven. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, he looked down at those who condemned Him and prayed, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." Yes, even when Jesus was dying, he spoke of redemption.
Let me ask you this, what kind of world do you want to live in? Because one of the last commandments that Jesus gave to His followers was "Love one another as I have loved you." Now, for a statement like that to come from someone like Jesus after doing what He did is BOLD and POWERFUL. Jesus also once said that the greatest love a man can have is that of a man who lays down his life for his friends. Jesus didn't just lay down His life for His friends, He laid down His life for His enemies as well. IMAGINE what the world would be like if we, as people, actually LOVED one another the way that Jesus told us to. It doesn't take a genius to see that 99% of the worlds problems would be solved with one little 4 letter word........LOVE.
Now, you don't have to believe in God or Jesus Christ to see the wisdom simply in loving one another, but I ask you how wise it is to reject the one man who demonstrated the kind of love that actually CAN save the world from itself.
I just happened upon this channel......how did he die......when?
This video was great!! Also, there is an up and comer apologists named Conner who I think you all would like. He keeps things short and sweet. Also, he has a good and open approach to his world view.
Here is a link to his intro video on his channel called:
Expanding Truth
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It all goes back to the bible. He didn't awnser. Can someone explain please?
Fred V I think he was trying to say that the bible isn’t just a book that was wrote at once that we can’t disregard, it was all parts of letters and documents that were gathered together throughout the years after Jesus. (Paul’s letters being no later than 60AD) outside of the bible I’ve found some things from a Roman at that time who talked about Jesus being crucified. Hope that helps :)
@@irishali896 It still avoided the question, is there any proof OUTSIDE THE BIBLE that jesus existed?
Fred V Have a look at what any kind of scholar says, no respected historian should deny that Christ lived, it’s been very well documented. Also, Nabeel has a lot of better videos explaining this in better detail, this is just a short clip.
@@irishali896 well documented by the bible. And what else? Am going to ask 1 more time. Is there any evidence not relating to the bible that Jesus existed? Not trying to say to you, you shouldn't believe, im telling you why im not and if you would tell me an evidence beside the bible, I would believe Jesus existed.
Fred V There is a letter from a Roman historían called Tacitus, “Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome..” that Tacitus reports Christians derived their name from a historical person called Christus (from the Latin), or Christ. He is said to have "suffered the extreme penalty," obviously alluding to the Roman method of execution known as crucifixion. Josephus, a first century historian had a couple of writings, “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.” The Babylonian Talmud, “a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings;
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.” Yeshua is how Jesus is pronounced in Hebrew. Lucian of Samosata, was a second century Greek satirist. “The Christians ... worship a man to this day - the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... It was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.”
RIP brother
Dr nabeel. .keep on doing God's Word. ..we are right behind you with prayers ..may God almighty continue to open your brain to the truth. ....
little christ he passed away
little christ no truth in your book only thing to open your mind would be blunt instrument
prayer is a form of mental masturbation. it does nothing to affect the physical world but rather justifies your lack of action through subjective virtue.
@@Josh-bn3qp Hai, don't be skeptic about the power of prayer. As Bible says through prayer every thing is possible. Through prayer many has won battles with some action, sometimes without some action as you said. God will never listen a lazy man's prayer, he always encourages a person with strong will and helps him achieve his goal which is otherwise not possible without God,or takes a lot of time or difficulties if it is out of God's will. But prayer makes your life easy and peaceful. At last, we all look for that peacefulness in our life.
@@drshakina yeah well I'm still waiting for children to stop starving to death
I think this is the book and author which Nabeel mentioned: www.garyhabermas.com/books/historicaljesus/historicaljesus.htm
Hmm Nabeel is in the resurrection....folks, he is in an incredible place and I can not wait to be there!! Yes, I would trade places with him if I could. God Bless!!!
Real Christians don't need to search for historical "proof" of Jesus. Christ dwells in their hearts. Let your light shine.
The Trinity Delusion Delusional
Physical prove would help them though wouldn't you agree
I think you mean real idiots who can't think.
*Real **_________s don't need to search for "proof" of ________. ______** dwells in their hearts.*
This sentence can be used for anything. It is circular reasoning and can't be justified.
Yeah no. I'm a Christian and you need physical proof to prove our point
Amen,there are proof out there.
No there isn't. You should fact check their claims.
@@bartbannister394 we have an atheist..... a Jesus hater..
What is interesting
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, even Satanism and actually ALL religions speak of or mention Jesus christ..
That's billions of people,
FOR A 33yrs old carpenter that NEVER EXISTED....
You say other great leaders are REAL N existed.
Yes a nonexistent, fake, dead person is spoken of more 👏
What are the percentages of that Mr Simpson.????? 🤔
@@Marlon-fv3rj As an Atheist we don't hate Jesus we simply don't see any evidence that he existed.
@@fraser_mr2009 with all the hundreds of evidence of life, havein a designer....you will still say the same NONSENSE....we simply don't see any evidence of a designer 😉
@@fraser_mr2009 then you aren’t looking. 5,800 Greek original manuscripts
love this clip
The sources he cites DO NOT contain historical / biographical information on life of Jesus. Pliny and Tacitus describe issues with Christian communities within the Empire many years after his murder. There are no Talmudic sources either that corroborate New Testament. Brief mention in Josephus is it - which Nabeel skips. No place to look outside of Scripture.
However there are still places outsife of scripture that do mention Jesus.
There is more evidence for Jesus then any other historical figure and yet not no one argues for non existence of Augustus or Júlíus Cesar, but always against Jesus Christ. I wonder why that is.
Besides why would I go look for sources outside the Bible? I don't submit to your worldy knowledge and your authority on what is reliable and what isn't.
"Blessed is the man that walks not in the council of the ungodly." Psalms 1:1
If I took the worlds wicked council I would seize to be blessed.
Historically, there are records of at least 10 men named "Jesus" who were executed by the Roman government in the first century.
Aaron But how common was his name? As well as Mary and Joseph, they were very very common.
Funny, how you never get replies from these original posters. Like as a kid, I did the "knock and run" (if you remember that). Well, I like and appreciate what all of you said, especially the point about 10 different Jesuses during that period. Actually, it was probably a lot more. Trust me -- I was religious at one time, and I never heard what all of you have said. If I would have, then I wouldn't have believed it: hook, link, and sinker.
BBALLISBEST Haha people forget the year is 2018. Hmm I wonder what happened 2018 years ago that the whole world started counting time by? Jesus literally spit time in half. When was Julius Caesar born? Go ahead I'll wait for it..
Rob Bob:
You are incorrect. The whole world doesn't support our Gregorian calendar. There are other calendars that are not in the year 2018. Also, the Roman church has had a stranglehold on many arenas, and one of them was revisiting the calendar and correcting it. Thus, the person who revised the calendar -- was a Monk who (appropriately -- for the religious) revised the calendar according to his suspected birthdate of Jesus. Yet, even that (if you will really start studying -- instead of just believing what the Church says) is (mostly) off by 6 to 10 years (at least) ... That's, with the caveat, that Jesus existed -- in the first place ... Do some research, and you'll be surprised what you find out about Jesus' History. Stuff you don't want to know. I didn't when I was religious. I believed without research. Trust me -- don't do the research -- if you still want to believe ...
I'm so happy so many people know are holy father and that they love him we need him if we don't believe and love him we don't have a life it's pointless
This what I don’t understand every time I ask someone religious this question they always bring up some story from the Bible. What I think the question me is what is the evidence beside saying that bible said it to be true therefore it has to be true. I think we want is real physical evidence just like everything else.
So did God write the Bible or not?
So there is no proof? You didn’t answer the question
Wydm
He didn't. Instead of getting to the point talks some nonsense.
Akshith Vijay Kumar Your Muslim and don’t even know what your God looks like.. please.😂
@@haleytroxell6592 Haha I'm Hindu but okay lol. Thanks for judging me based on my color I guess that's what they teach in your culture.
@@akshithvijaykumar3779 haha ... no one is judging by your looks and judging is not a role for christian too..
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
the same thing is with islam ; just like mary mangdalene believed met him after committing adultery same way many woman in mecca who before commited adultery later accepted islam and was forgiven ; the point to be noted is that Jesus said dont do it again , same in islam if you are a non muslim and you accept islam with true heart all your previous sins are washed away but if you know everything yet keep repeating same evil action than you have to face the punishment
watch on youtube these videos letter to king negus by islamic guidance (it talks about Jesus ), the throne of Allah by merciful servant; 4 stories that tell us who prophet muhammad really was by merciful servant , Daimonds of Islam by iLovUAllah, moses speak to Allah pwerful reminder by merciful servant
Sameoldfitup
That bullshit verse was written many years after the other manuscripts you fucking moron.
@Hineni John3:16 do watch Farid responds video, Thanks
Hineni John3:16
Your so called holy Bible has many parts of it plagiarized also you stupid ass.
850,000,000 people around the world are Atheist, Agnostic or Non-Religious. That's more than 1 out of 10 people, making up the 4th largest belief group.
Statistics have shown that the more educated an individual, the less likely they are to be religious or believe in a god. 72% of the National Academy of Sciences members have 'personal disbelief in god' and another 20% claim 'doubt or agnosticism'.
Less than 1% of the US prison population is 'atheist' vs. about 10% in the general population.
The Divorce rate among atheists and agnostics is 21% vs. 30% for Jews, 27% for Born again Christians, and 24% for other Christians.
Iam trying to take down my post I did not read other posts first I agree if you have faith it’s all the same god and it doesn’t really matter I good person is a good person. Iam going through a hard time and I went back to study Jewish beliefs and why the Jewish people are still Jews thought best why to go straight to the god of gods the Jewish god now I think Iam a Jew can I be a Jew without being born a Jew?
JESUS is real and every person will know that once they become born again and God gives them a new heart and indwelling holy spirit. JESUS save me and I am forever grateful to him. Sin does not have dominant over my life anymore and it's all because of the precious blood of Christ. Praise God Almighty and the son Jesus Christ forever..
You're probably right. There probably was a bloke around that time called Jesus. But he wasn't Christ. Know why? Because Christ is a pagan term. Look it up and learn something your Abrahamic faith clearly refuses to teach you.
Tray King jesus is just a concept formed from intelligence.
Did you see him .no right ok then
Lol Religion is a Hell of a drug.
Tray King no no no no no get a new book
we are soo spoiled ..we need to see Jesus infront of our eyes to believe he excited
LameBoyAndy 2edgy4me
Exsisted. We need to see jesus to believ he does. But we dont need to see god to believe he doesnt. Smh. Theres more evidence for jesus than Athiesm. Yall really have more faith than I do
Here is the odds of Jesus fulfilling his prophecies.. ruclips.net/video/syVZgliE5t0/видео.html
andrew who hahaha I really hope that’s not your sole reason are you will have a rough life
existed*
great video
What's up on the psychedelic gospels?
Completely dishonest answer. We know that millions believe that Jesus lived. That's not proof. Is belief in AGW proof?
The speaker doesn't seem to understand simple logic.
But he cited genuine historical evidence. It are you merely determined to hear why you want to hear?
That is not the point he made...
Let me sum up this video, "there is great evidence for the existence of Christ outside the Bible. They are all in the Bible".
So Roman historians are in the bible??? Guess I should take my degree in theology back
Wow! Nabeel had immense knowledge of both koran and bible👏👏👏
If there’s evidence why would christians need faith?🤷🏽♂️
Hey Jeffrey :) I don't think you understand what a Christian means when they say "faith". You don't have faith based on what you don't know you have faith based on what you DO know. For example, I have faith that my wife will not have an affair because she has shown to me her love and her commitment to the relationship. We don't have faith IN, we have faith "that". A very different distinction :D I pray you'll continue asking questions and seeking the truth!
Alex Benz Like saying I need faith to accept that my son is mine? Dude I don’t need faith when I’m sure I’m the father of my son. I know he’s my son..🤷🏾♂️
@@jeffreyagu2221 no but rather you have faith that your son will be healthy. Or maybe you worry and that you don't have faith that your will be healthy.
We believe in God and we have faith that by following his commands we are saved through the son yashua
@@thomasjoat2396 What kind of instance is "you have faith that your son will be healthy"? I know my son is healthy so i don't need faith to prove that. Faith by definition is believing without evidence, but you guys are just trying to redefine FAITH. I know that Trump is the American president, but if i say i have "faith" that Trump is the American president then it means I'm not sure about that but i believe it anyways. Common sense please!!!.
@@jeffreyagu2221 how do you know before your son is born he's going to be healthy? How do you know he won't be born autistic? Do you get it yet. Before your child is born you don't know if he's going to be healthy or not but for some reason most have faith that their child is going to be healthy before even the doctors tell them.
This guy dunked it ! 💪🏀👏
I would think Jesus Christ, the son of God, the most important, influential person who ever lived would have a plethora of evidence, when actually the opposite is true: Jesus, a literate, educated teacher ( a rabbi by many scholars estimation ) never wrote one word. He is nowhere in the historical record. There is not one eyewitness to his existence. Everything written about him is hearsay by people who never knew him. There are no contemporaneous accounts of him in the Bible ( the gospels are only ATTRIBUTED to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ) and are written after the fact. There are no reliable accounts of him outside the Bible from the Romans ( the ones who executed him -- they kept meticulous records on everything else ) nor the Jews, nobody...
The same holds true for the biggest supernatural, cosmological event in history : when the Bible says, the instant Jesus died on the cross, the sky darkened, the earth shook and the dead rose from their graves and walked around... not one person wrote one word about it.
Good grief. "He never wrote one word" because the people he wanted to reach COULD NOT READ. Reading and writing was the job of the scribes and they belonged to the upper class who had no love for Jesus nor for any writings he may have produced.
We know that Jesus death was recorded because Tacitus referred to such records in order to accurately describe who the Christians were. I apologize on behalf of the Roman empire that they did not have the foresight or capability to protect all their records over thousands of years of rot and deterioration to be able to present them to you for your convenience. I apologize for the pharisees that they were so short sighted that they could not see past their own arrogance and pride in order to properly record Jesus as the son of god instead of as a sorcerer in the Talmud.
However, I want to thank the authors of the four gospels who decided it would be wise to write down a history of Jesus Christ while there were still eye witnesses available to verify the accounts as they were written. Just as any credible historical account is executed. Therefore, they are the historical accounts, recording eye witnessed events, verified by said eye witnesses and corroborated by others who witnessed saId events. They are highly reliable, highly regarded and widely disseminated accounts which have never been discouinted as mere myths. All this was done within a life time of Christ's death, and of those documents we have some that have survived to this day. In other words we have to actual original documents that were actually written within the lifetime of the eyewitnesses of the events to which those documents refer. THIS CANNOT BE SAID ABOUT ANYONE ELSE FROM THAT TIME. If that does not provide a compelling case for the existence of Jesus Christ then no other historical person can be accepted to have lived either, including the Caesars of the time. The only documents available recording the events of their reigns are copies of copies of the original written centruires later.
@@1961casey '' he never wrote a word because the people he wanted to reach could not read " ? Well then who were the scribes writing for ?
Tacitus was NOT an eyewitness. In fact you cannot provide ONE eyewitness account for jesus either biblical or otherwise. The Romans kept meticulous records and they were the ones who supposedly executed jesus... yet not ONE word about jesus.
The Gospels also don't qualify as evidence because they are not contemporaneous -- the earliest being mark, 70 a.d.
There are copious records for all prominent historical figures including ceasar ( have you tried google ) ?... and to think jesus is nowhere to be found in the historical record ?
Face it, your jesus has no more evidence than all the other numerous man\god saviors who preceded him.
@@jerrylanglois7892 Obvioiusly the scribes were not writing for Jesus, and if you had done any basic research you would know that they were the official record keepers of the time.
And I never said Tacitus was an eye witness, What Tacitus said was that he checked the meticulous official Roman records to verify that Jesus was killed under Pontius Pilate. Again I apologize for the Roman's lack of foresight to prevent all their records from decaying over time.
Oh, and by the way, just for reference sake, we don't have any eye witness accounts for Alexander the Great either. Just a rehash of his life 500 years after the fact. And yet the gospels were written and verified by people who actually saw and heard what Jesus did. Which do you think should be considered more reliable: something written 500 years after the fact or something verified by eye witnesses? And be honest about it.
@@1961casey I always get a kick out of you believers who try to defend the indefensible. You try any apologetic, any assumption, any twisted rationalization, any excuse you can pull out of your butt... and where do you end up ? Where you started -- trying to swim in that same pool of quick sand.
@@jerrylanglois7892 And yet when we apply your logic to any other historical character we end up with nothing. You are obviously not a historian nor have you even done a cursory search on historical standards which, if you had, would have shown you the unique record we have of Jesus Christ. The record is compelling enough that no serious historical scholar can dare to say the Jesus was a myth. No contemporaneous eye witness, or any other historian, friendly or otherwise has ever said that he was a myth. And note that I am not referring to 'believers' but to honest scholars who value truth above religious fervor.
To claim that Jesus Christ was just a myth requires a conscious decision to ignore the evidence.
Isn't the title to this video kind of an oxymoron grammatically? I mean, it is saying the Bible has all the proof, but is asking is there something else (which yes there is)
To answer this question get the book 'Archko Volume' It covers every detail unbiased about the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth.
Emmanuel Udoh
You’re so full of shot it is coming out your ears.
This guy never answer the question to much word salad....
I am always surprised by the number of people who have not learnt the difference between the words TO and TOO.
@@davidgibbs3657 😀😀😁😁😂😂😃
Yes he did, he didn't do it in the form you people want to hear
Lots of stories about Paul Bunyan too.
I don't believe Josephus, Tacitus, and The Jewish Talmud wrote about Paul Bunyan though, a lot of stories about Caesar and Alexander the Great, and even Evolution too.
D_fend R Josephus was proven to be a false document.
_"I don't believe Josephus, Tacitus, and The Jewish Talmud wrote about Paul Bunyan though"_
- *Neither did they write about Jesus. They wrote about what Christians believed and claimed.*
_"Numerous historians and others both pro and con, wrote about Christ, Christians, and Christianity. None of this would have happened had there been no Jesus Christ to begin with."_
- *Numerous historians and others, wrote/write about Harry Potter, Hogwarts and Magic. None of this would have happened had there been no Harry Potter to begin with.*
- *Your argument is illogical. People write about Jesus because Christians believe in Jesus and because the character appears in the bible. It is not evidence of actual existence.*
_"Those who try to say that Jesus Christ never existed do as much for Atheism as Christians do for Christianity who try to say the world is between six and ten thousand years old."_
- *False, and for the record I don't say that Jesus never existed, I say that he hasn't been demonstrated to have ever existed.*
_"The difference is, in the case of Atheists who say Christ never existed are a minority within a minority."_
- *That's false too. There is even a name for people who think Jesus was just a myth, mythicists.*
_"Academics who want to maintain their credibility in the community of archeological and historical authorities won't sacrifice their reputations on such claims."_
- *I've never actually seen an academic archaeologist talking about Jesus as if he existed, they tend to just not bother talking about it at all. They will talk about places in biblical stories, but not Jesus... I wonder why.*
_"Trying to defend an indefensible position by sheer stubborn denial of evidence just make themselves look ridiculous."_
- *So where is the evidence we supposedly deny? The closest anyone has come is pointing to the bible, or to people who didn't live at the right time and talk about what Christians believe... not about what is or was.*
It amazes me that people, like you, will write something like this talking about evidence and what people believe without giving a shred of evidence. Your first premise is laughably wrong and could be used as evidence that any literary character existed, and the rest of it is just assertions and a half-hearted appeal to authority. Are you trying to convince me, or yourself?
_"I've been posting evidence and links to it for quite a while here and I don't recall hearing from you until now."_
- *You didn't "hear from me" at all. You sought me out in a post.*
- *Also, why didn't you post any evidence this time either?*
_"If you know the difference between someone like Julius Caesar and Harry the Jew Potter, then you ought to be able to tell the difference between Jesus Christ and Harry Potter."_
- *If you can't realize that I was just showing that your premise was pointless when I inserted Harry Potter in, then there is no reason to continue with you. Frankly, the statement about Harry Potter has exactly the same weight as when you said it about Jesus.*
Wow... a quote mine and arguments from authority... woo... hoo... how will I ever counter any of that... lol
See, the thing is, there is extra-biblical evidence for the other people you mention... but not for Jesus, it would seem due to your seeming inability to present any. In this post you decided to again claim to have evidence, and claim to have posted evidence elsewhere, but somehow forgot to post any here. Till someone demonstrates that Jesus existed, I will continue to not believe the claim that he existed.
Unfortunately, all references were made between 70 and 170 year after.....
- Pliny letter was written in 111 to 113 AD.
- Lucian was a satirist whose main objective is to delight his audience even if the references to the Christians and Jesus are contained in a personal letter to a friend and are not part of a public speech. Lucian's statement was written near 170 AD
- Mara bar Sarapion was a Stoic philosopher from the Roman province of Syria. He is noted for a letter he wrote in Syriac to his son. The letter was composed sometime after 73 AD but before the 3rd century.
- Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals written 116 AD
- About the scholars ....
B. Ehrman recounts becoming a born-again, fundamentalist Christian as a teenager. He recounts being certain in his youthful enthusiasm that God had inspired the wording of the Bible and protected its texts from all error.
Paula Fredriksen is a scholar of the historical Jesus. While some historians interpret the historical Jesus as a non-apocalyptic ethical teacher, she sides with those who portray him as an apocalyptic preacher in the tradition of prophets before him and apostles after him
One thing I love to remember he said...
He love to conquer christian in debate even to David Wood ...
He tell the story how he struggled to much ...not believing in Jesus ...
But in God's Grace ..In YESHUA Love's ...
Like Paul... Jesus Saves Him..
Praise God Forever...
"There's a whole bunch of evidence. I'm not going to give you any of it so you can verify it for yourself, but believe me. One guy said that Christians worship Jesus. Boom! Proof!"
I get what you're saying this person obviously doesn't.👆
@@thestudent3893 um your brain associates good and bad it knew you were having a nightmare and cause you associate the word jesus with good it stopped It it's simple science stop being ignorant
@@Dannyboi-re7vb im not religious man im half agnostic but you can not call him ignorant because if you relly believe in science i have planty of questions that none of the atheists can answer . always atheists ask questions but have no answers. i am half christian and half agnostic (not atheist) because if you really search about christianity it does make alot of sence but sadly there is no proofs, and i have seen jesus in my dreams (this still is not a proof for me but it was kind of a push to stay a christian) and my father told me that he have seen jesus live when he got married (still no proofs). there is alot of illogical things in the bible spacially in the old testament and this is why im not yet a 100% believer because i know how to search by my mind and not my heart.
now why you can not be an atheist and call believers ignorant ? simply because you always refer to science and say that the beginning was the big bang and that we came from an evolution.... there is tooo much questions that can never been answer by science on alot of things spacially on the creation of the world and on the evolution, i can not ask you all the questions that i have in my mind because i will never finish but i will ask you this simply question:
You believe that believers are ignorant because they believe in a god who created us. so they believe in a beginning and on a creator. atheists believe in a non created world so they believe in a world who comes from ever and will be for ever . they believe that the big bang was the beginning but what they dont know is that acording to how they think the bigbang came after the "ever" (after an infinite time )who is imposible. they believe that everything came from nothing who is tooo stupid. at least believing in a creator is more logical than believing in a world who was created by nothing and who came from ever with no begenning (why the bigbang will happen now why not in 10000000000000000000000000000000000 years before? and why life will begin now and not 100000000000000000000000000000000 and alot more of years before?)
atheists always ask for proofs and they are attached in science but they never give proofs and think that they are smarter than believers. this is why you can not call a believer an ignorant and try to relate everything with science with no proofs (for example ther is no proof fir the bigbang or for the evolution....)
i am someone who know how to think and have wayyy more questions and arguments that prove that god may exist and that his exisyence make sence more than what atheists think .
@@realbeast7119 you don't have to preach about religion I went to catholic school for a half a school year ik how it works but let me tell you this theres been thousands of god but yours Is real nigga pls I'm sorry but no gods exist us humans are the gods we have the power of life and death we can kill and make remember that
@@realbeast7119 also we share 90% of our dna with primates dude also theres still space matter and chemicals left over from the big bang dawg I never claimed to be smart I'm from the ghetto dude I've seen the place god left behind
The universe is 13.8 billion years old and the planet Earth is 5 billion years old. Life on earth started 4 billion years ago. 99% of all life forms have gone extinct.
The homo sapiens (us) have been around for roughly 200000 years and God, the creator of everything decides to come down to Earth in the form of a human to revise his previous set of laws (old testament) 2000 years ago. Most honest historians would say there are no accounts or eye witness recordings of Jesus' existence. But many Christians have made claim that there were credible historical accounts and that many accounts were destroyed.
I would say God choose the wrong time to show himself as the Son 2000 years ago. Instead he should have sent Jesus now, 2019, where we have big brother video camaras that can capture and record every action and miracle and every word he says and can be covered by every news network in the world. That way in 2000 years, in the year 4019 and further on, nobody would be debating his existence and who is was. The whole planet can check it out and we can all have one religion, and we can stop fighting silly wars.
So overall God messed up his timing and thats why we have this constant debate and have other religions and atheists.
Any Christians agree God messed up his timing and needed to improve his communication skills with us??
Excellent video.
There IS no doubts that he lived. The problem is that he was totally twisted after his death. Reading the bible from the first letter to the last with intellectual honesty is absolutely necessary. Reading it with prejudice, with faith or faithlessness is absolutely paramount and makes you take out of it whatever you like to take out.
There were 1,000's of eye witnesses of Jesus! 🙏💁♂️🇦🇺
No other like Him, unique!
Sabah Eternity there are thousands of eye witnesses of Harry Porter fighting voldemort too
Thats plain stupid.
If there were thousands of people who eye witnessed him how come nobody wrote about him?
All the extra biblical sources (which are 3) were written 60-90 years After Jesus died by people who never met him.
Its quite strange how no roman no follower not even Jesus himself left any documents from that time not even statues or anything.
Buddha, who lived 600 years before Jesus has a ton of evidence
Jesus in second coming is now in Australia
@@VanoArts according to your logic there's no evidence of anyone existing before cameras were invented.
@@Didida8BP no because just like there is no evidence for the existence of harry potter outside of the books there is also no evidence for the existence of jesus outside of the bible while for historical persons usually you have many different documents and sources and if you want to claim that a person was divine then maybe the first step would be to prove that this person actually existed
A Roman monk named Dionysius Exiguus set up the Anno Domini system which is Latin for In the year of our Lord and BC was Before Christ in 525.
None of them are written during the first century. They were all written after first century which is at least 70 years after Christ death. They are not good evidence for Christ. The New Testament is written decades after Christ death by no first hand account eyewitnesses.
Chris, How do you know none of them are written during the first century? How do you know The New testament is written decades after Christ death by no first-hand account eyewitnesses? I have been discussing this with my son since he returned from College and we don't seem to agree on anything when it comes to this.
Chris is right go look it up and you will be surprise
look it up where? Every place I look has a different story. There is no consistency or credibility. If people find information that backs their point of view then they consider it evidence, if they find information that conflicts with their point of view they call it propaganda.
I wish I could thank him for this in person. Thank Christ some day I will. 🙏
The assassination of JFK happened less than a century ago. We have film and photos of it that have been enhanced and analyzed. We have hundreds of eyewitnesses and yet we are still argueing about it
He is reign now in heaven
Answer: No and there never was any inside the Bible either, the Bible is a claim not Evidence
Where in Talmud does it say Jesus killed by crucifixion?????
there are a lot of prophesies in the old testament that a saviour (jesus) would come and die for our sins. just open the old testament and you will se for yourself
I want to ask a question! Why do many christians think God wanted Nabeel to die? I mean they are so easily accepting of it! The bible says the devil comes to steal kill and destroy. It sure doesnt say God does!
Delusional people.
You don't need to look outside the bible for proof that Jesus Christ existed, everything you need to know is in the Holy Bible, the best selling book of all time
Yea!! the best selling book of all time. JUST A BOOK! JUST A BEST SELLING BOOK DAMIT!!! Just words, stories make believe.
by that logic, avatar is true. its the largest grossing movie of all time. I can't believe people who think like this actually walk the streets.
+Roger Farragher Evolution is a claim. There is practically no evidence to support it, it is just another "God substitute" so you Atheists can think that there will be no punishment for what you are doing. Most of the stuff in the Bible is actually scientifically correct, for example, the bible mentions the Earth being "held by nothing", which it is, and it mentions the light causing another "God substitute" the Big Bang, because God said "Let there be light" and there was light and only light in the first stage of the universe, that is a scientific FACT discovered by an Atheist scientist. I could go on, but the prophecy said that there would be people like you. Even if Jesus comes down and revives the dead in front of you, you still wouldn't believe.
+D_fend R what ever you say buddy, believe what you want but my common sense says different!
D_fend R sorry, bud... evolution is a fact backed w/ loads of evidence.
the only problem is w/ those unwilling to accept the evidence for it. almost like the fake news epidemic we have now. regardless, its true whether you choose accept it it or not. its not contingent on your blessing.
the bible is made up of 66 books. the bible is the claim.... not the proof for it. those who reference suetonious, tacitus, pliny or josephus... those have all been refuted time and time again. never mind that they post-date the life of jesus. easier to tell you happened well after the establishment has gained traction. and never mind that the people who are purportedly "witnesses" or give accounts of jesus are some of the most poor, uneducated people of the time. sheep-herders mostly. there is no corroborating evidence to suggest that they meet jesus. again, jesus arose from a time when story-telling was prevalent.
if someone told you they met bigfoot, would you believe them? what if 20 people told you they met bigfoot, would that do it? that's not a pathway to truths or fact. it is however one avenue... but people lie. that's why evidence to support the claim is key.
look at it this way... why don't we write books about newly formed gods today? im not talking about scientology or anything like that. im taking something substantial like celetial jesus, muhammad, vishnu, etc... its because we have a better grasp of universal understanding. those sorts of ideology are likely untrue and unsubstantiated. in 2016 you couldn't possibly walk into a courtroom and expect to prove an ideologue by purely referencing old scribes from a Babylonian era which fabled story-telling was prevalent and the norm.
Jeff Connors All of human history would have to be thrown out according to your theory....You must be a historical scholar...smh...
nope... most history is inconclusive and unknown. also, and most importantly, history is shared and interpreted, not asserted.
and I am not a historical scholar nor am I a historian, but I understand the job and title of a historian. most people have a flawed idea or misrepresentation of the title 'historian'. historians are not the arbiters of truth concerning history. they do not 'yay or nay' anything in history. that is not their job. they research and place things in their proper context. they do not tell you this happened or this didn't happen.
and lastly, just as contrast... in 2016, we don't even have all the information concerning Abraham Lincoln fully error-free ... and that was only 150 years. now how accurate do you think Babylonian scribes and ancient historical records hold up in today's society when its proven that those ancient historians were also prevalent story-tellers. and most of the accounts came from christian sources well after the purported death of jesus?
Did you even watch the video? I'll explain from information I gathered... You see, no body except for Christians took Jesus seriously, and even some were skeptical and doubtful when he was alive. After he died and, yes, resurrected, his message got out to the disciples and Paul. And so Jesus became recognizable, and this is when we get writings of Jesus. Also as a side note, if Jesus never existed, then Christianity would not even exist, and even if it did, how would you convince all these Jews that he was resurrected? The Jews and the Romans would deny it, and Christianity would die down within a year at most. No serious historian thinks Jesus never existed. (And Richard Carrier is not a serious historian in case you were gonna say.)
where's you're evidence?
- the bible is not evidence, the bible is the claim.
- old, incredulous scribes are not evidence, nor do they mention jesus christ of nazarene.
- there are no CONTEMPORARY writings of jesus.
- no evidence left behind by the man-god himself.
- no first-hand accounts of jesus. everything is second, third-hand hearsay which is deemed unreliable due to the fact that no one can attest to these meetings.
- all evidence to support jesus: pliny, seutonius, josephus, tacitus, etc... have all been debunked. those are the typical names used to support jesus, and they're all facetious.
*side note: there is zero evidence of ANY resurrection. there is zero evidence for a man-god walking on water. zero evidence for a man feeding a nation of a loaf of bread and two fish. zero evidence that a man-god cured leprosy & the blind by touch. zero evidence of a world-wide flood. zero evidence for a man-god turning water into wine. zero evidence of talking/burning bushes. zero evidence of noah's ark. zero evidence of talking serpents. zero evidence that woman was made form man's rib. zero evidence that the world was made in seven days. I could go on....
+Jeff Connors
Ok, you too have made many claims without evidence.
Now, how about you back up each and every one of your claims with at least 3 credible sources.
As I have found evidence contrary to the claims you have made, I would like to see yours.
It's all well and good for you to trash people's evidence, yet here you are making claims, "willy nilly" without sound evidence to back up your claims.
"The violets in the mountains have broken the rocks."
Tennessee Williams.
Then explain the books that were not put in the canon like the lost gospel or thomas the truth is the bible was not given to us by an angle but the Roman catholic church 300 years after the death of jesus
There are none! Full Stop!
then there's no evidence that Abraham Lincoln existed
Truth Hurts can you send me the link
The Bible is a work of fiction
So go to another book?
1st point: The problem with the sources outside the Bible is those writers wrote after Jesus supposedly died therefore their information is hearsay.
2nd point: Even if there was a guy named Jesus, he was not the one that the Bible portrays ( performed miracles, son of god, rose from the dead) he was most likely a deluded Rabbi wondering around preaching and claiming to be the son of god.
Not convincing answer at all. No evidence other then the bible, which has been edited, changed and suited by man and even woman to suit their way of life. This Nabeel guy is so dilluded and naive, he believes people who wrote books based on their own evidence. I can write a book claiming so and so, does not make it true. To me as as an ex-christian the bible and Christian and the Christian God does not make sense, never has and never will, its a reason why educated people simply do not believe in this faith anymore. Or never have!
The question was is there any evidence of Jesus outside of the bible... He gave examples of ancient writings not associated with Christians that suggest that there was a man named Jesus who was worshiped near the times after his death! This is historical evidence that other cultures knew of him as a real being. So now we can assume that he was in fact a real person the rest I suppose is down to faith whether or not you believe he was actually who he said he was... You will never find definitive proof that will satisfy you unless you see it with your own eyes that's why we must rationalise on what evidence we have access to. History is littered with characters that are considered factual that have less evidence supporting their existence.
what proof you have that the bible is changed?
im sure you dont even wanna know what the jewish historian wrote about the early christian because you already made up your mind that you cant even trust the early historian. im a former Atheist and just recently on last year dec 2014 I bcame a believer after having supernatural dream about Jesus that make me do research about Jesus and I found out the evidence for Jesus was just far more stronger than any other man in history. and if Jesus didnt existed then, all the other much less famous people also didnt existed like Alexandra the great, Leonardo Davinci just a fairytale and the painting wasnt even his painting but someone else and so on :)
many believe in consentine 1 but not jesus. many of the farmer govenors and kings who spoke about jesus but not in jesus existence. but the bible has to be fulfilled. but i am sorry for who the bible is fulfilling on.
even the mr muhammed could be save after all the evil he did. if he has just accept Yashuah al Meshia aka Jesus as his Lord as savior
hearsay and a bias book is NOT proof of any existence of the invisible man in the sky and his son born of virgin woman...sci fi and nothing more !
What kills me the most is that people believe in the Bible and Christ but Jesus himself has not written one damn book!!!!
So what do you believe?
srsly, bro, you need to use ur mind, god is not in the sky , and satan is not inside the earth's core. You atheists claim that god doesn't exist, but bigfoot and aliens do? YOU SIR ARE A LOSER, i literally mean that you really are a loser, because you lost your life for your EGO.
phil, that's a rather ignorant point of view. first of all, how do you assume ALL atheists believe in bigfoot and aliens? second of all, I'd like to point out in a universe with multiple planets that can support life, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that life exists elsewhere?
so, by simply calling athiests "losers" you prove a point.
atheism has nothing to do with ego. it's simply examining the evidence and not seeing any evidence of god.
I'm sorry that atheism seems to offend you, but it's a two sided coin
andy what about a book written by a roman 20 years after christs death. Look up Cetus.
According to this panel of experts there is no reliable evidence. Everything is covered here including a timeline of any outside mentions.
They are all just mentioning the fact that there was a group of people called Christians. In his history of Rome Tacitus said there was a group who followed "Christus" (yes he misspelled it) who Nero blamed for the burning of Rome.
ruclips.net/video/1a9YOfqFmuw/видео.html
Different first-hand accounts of Jesus:
1)Josephus was a well-connected aristocrat and military leader in Palestine who served as a commander in Galilee during the first Jewish Revolt against Rome between 66 and 70 A.D. Although Josephus was not a follower of Jesus, “he was around when the early church was getting started, so he knew people who had seen and heard Jesus,” Mykytiuk says.
2)Tacitus, roman senator and historian, mentions that Emperor Nero falsely blamed “the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.” 64 A.D
For more clarity see the film "Caesar's Messiah": ruclips.net/video/zmEScIUcvz0/видео.html