If you mean the keys till the 80's then yes but in latter 30 years you need to cut-reprogramme the new one to official dealership or authorized locksmith and both aren't cheap.
Good to know the push button start should still work if the battery drains. Does using the physical key disable the alarm if the fob battery drains? On my old land cruiser there is a pattern to use in this scenario
Nope, still want a key. If I just want to roll down the windows and NOT START the engine, I can just put the key to "ON/RUN" and just roll down the windows. Or if i just want to roll the car backwards like say 2 feet without wasting an engine startup, same thing, key in and rotate to "ON/RUN", brake, transmission into neutral (hopefully the shifter is mechanically linked to the transmission), release brake and roll, brake, PARK, key off, done.
Overall I do not like new cars Yes, these features are more useful and reliable like automatic transmission, electric steering wheels, digital speedometers and of course the button to start the engine I prefer the good old manual transmission where I have control on how and when I want to change the gears, an actual steering wheel connected to the wheels, analog speedometers while I see the arrows of the gauges going up, not a screen trying to imitate it or just a number and the good old key where first the engine cranks then starts
I don’t like the push start button because I have seen so may cars getting stolen because the thieves are trick the car thinking that they have the key from something that can catch the signal of the real key. I think having my own key that requires the actual key is safer in my opinion
@@stevenwelchtoyotaI'm curious to see the statistics(if any) of ignition problems in general between push button and traditional key ignition systems. I will say I've started older cars with thier traditional systems and NEVER had a problem with those.
@@stevenwelchtoyota How far can the for be from the car to keep it running? What happens when you get a block away? Or throw the keys out the window on the highway? I never had a push to start so I am unfamiliar with the technology. Also, Scott Kilmer said the dealerships charge a lot of money to fix the push to start button when it breaks!
They charge you 30$ to replace a 5$ button cell battery in your key fab. at that point I was very fed up and did it myself by prying the fab open. take your car to the garage to have it swapped with a key start and a kill switch. keyless cars can be hacked with a special device. key cars with a kill switch can't be hacked (unless they know where the kill switch is but i doubt it)
The argument is that the keyed ignition requires dual authentication. The physical shape of your key to turn the lock PLUS the electronics in the key as opposed to just the electronic part in the keyless ignition.
@@stevenwelchtoyota some things are more theft proof than others. Master lock vs abus lock for example, these push to start buttons are planned obsolescence. Every heard of that term? They fobs are very expensive and don't last as long as a traditional key.
Thanks SO MUCH Steven!!! This was soooooo helpful!!! I am the person you described. I didn't "trust" the push button start so I was going to get a RAV4 Hybrid LE because I wanted a key. You educating me has convinced me to get an XLE with the push button start!
We have a 2014 Honda civic with a traditional key and fob and a lot of times my wife will say that she wants to lock her purse in the trunk and just take her wallet inside the stores so with the push button start she would be letting the fob in the car making it very easy for someone to steal the car. I like the old way with a key.
This is the biggest tissue of propaganda that I have ever heard, car dealers will say anything to push this junk. Sorry but the truth hurts. I have a computerized vehicle and it is nothing but trouble. The computer components are constantly breaking down and costing thousands to fix them each time. I am replacing my computerized vehicle with a traditional restored classic. Much more reliable!
A lot of stuff is left out here. When I turn the key on my vehicles, the starter keeps turning over until I let it back off. Push button is not exactly the same in that respect. A FOB for push button start is also constantly sending out that signal, and it can be picked up by those around you. A relay device can send that signal to a second party. It cost me less than $15 to order a 3rd key, have it cut @ a hardware store, and my cheap Mirage programmed the key itself without any programming tools. Less than $15 to make chipped key programmed to my car. How much would a replacement FOB cost? Manual transmission, crank windows, with keys please - sell an affordable trim level. I miss base model cars. They don't exist any more!
I heard it costs a lot of money if the push to start button stops working. That is why dealerships put it on almost every trim, it is a money maker for them.
its actually cheaper and easier for manufacturers to put the upgraded equipment in the vehicles and not to offer the no frills options. The main reason for the lesser items is to give you something to pay more for on the more luxurious trims or division of the company.
My good old 98 Camry, sometimes I need to jiggle the key and shifter to get her going. Hate you can't do that here.....or can you? I'm still confused. Is there a way to do a hide a key sort of thing?
Interesting the back up system to the push button start. Also I didn't realize even the key ignition does not have a starter but sends the signal to the engine to start. Thanks Steve.
all internal combustion vehicles have a fucking starter and alternator they cannot function without them don't listen to a bullshit sales man but actual a mechanic
With a key, the key has a place to go to, you won't lose the key inside the car, making it impossible to lock the car later. Also, if you have it in the pocket, and someone else in the car decides to take over, and you have to get down, the key is still in your pocket, and the car will turn off in a few meters. I think the push start cars also need a place to keep the key, probably with a magnetic holder for it, so it always stays there when you drive.
once the majority of keyless vehicles are started they dont require the physical presence of the key as its purely mechanical nothing prevents the vehicle from idling revving or changing gear unless the vehicle is shut off and no a signal cannot remotely turn it off unless you have an actual remote start system which is even easier to hack/exploit due to the rf frequency's ( aside from the very very few purely electric vehicles ) this is the exact same bullshit that the old af garage door openers used back in the 1980's all you need to do is spam out various signals and can start most mall parkingl ots with the right knowledge and practice ..
@@Azraiel.Bridger My cousin once took a car which needed the presence of the key inside the car for it to work. He took his parents with him, and he had to go out (to return home later by bus), so his father took over. He had the key in his pocket, and once he moved out of the car and went some 100 feet, the car stopped. They couldn't figure why the car stopped, and got help to have it pushed out of the way.
Steve thank you so much for this, very informative. For the Honda 2016 do you have to use break hold with the key. What happens with the emergency break with a push button?
if you own a 2023 Toyota vehicle will push button start. will push button start stop working after 10 years when Toyota deactivate service connect since computer software is old and no more updates.
No, it's not the mechanical connection. It's everything behind the switch. All the circuitry all the bs features that require all those features make it so complex. Murphy's law and kiss principle need to come back into automotive engineers brains.
This was very interesting. I had no idea. I'm thinking about getting new car. The one I'm looking at is a 2019 model, but it has the push button start and I was a bit leery of it. I was in the "key only" crowd you could say, but that's only because my old car is a 1999!! I'm not sure if I'm totally comfortable with push button start yet, but I'm glad to know more about it. Thanks!
All these complex electronic systems are nice until they stop working. When the car doesn't recognize the fob and none of the workarounds work, you are stuck...! No way to get the car started so it's a tow to the dealer.
So does the key in the "keyless" fob actually start the car when inserted into the ignition? I'm thinking of a scenario where the push button mechanism totally stops working as pushing the start/stop button is still a mechanical activity that makes contact with something and triggers a signal to be sent to the computer, does it not? Or did I miss something in this video?
gives a completely different level of understading than any Scotty Klimer video. Thanks a lot! Edit: It's funny that you said the exact same thing I told my family (before watching the video) with no clue how button start works: both the key and the button sends an electronic signal. I'm just a young guy with absolutely no notable mechanical experience, just know some car theory and have some car logic :). My questions are, what if the remote gets lost? Is it as easy to replace it as a key? Could you have a spare remote? I might have missed that in the video if you talked about it, if I did then I apologize. Thank you in advance!
My 2014 Honda Civic has a push start, funny that you mention the trim levels I got it used and it has a lot of electronics that my moms doesn’t have and she has the 2013 with a key, I love the push start
I am wondering, if my Entune problems on my 2019 Rav 4 are due to my Android phone? Seems as though Toyota forgot about android users when they made these in 2019. I phone has Car play installed, we must load scout app which is garbage, always freezes, can't recalculate when directional changes are made. It is a shame, you spend a good deal of money on a new vehicle as Toyota, and Entune 3.0 was designed around I phone user's.
@@stevenwelchtoyota Could my android phone, T Mobile, One plus 6 T be at fault. I have problems getting entune to load, I have Toyota app, and Toyota + Alexa app installed, but still have 50 percent of the time loading? Thanks Steve
@@stevenwelchtoyota Steve, you know so much about Toyota, does the Toyota app need good wi-fi to connect with Entune to operate? I keep getting message on Entune ,app must be installed on phone, any help is appreciated, John.
Great video! What's the logic behind it ' cause the key still has to go in there anyway to drive out the car right. Correct me if I'm wrong 'cause I just started using these push-button cars..
Ok guy what do you do if the fob and button stops working at the same time how do you start the car. I rather have a key at least a key turn guarantee's a start. Also I hate the way car's are built today. 2 car bodies put together. No frame NEW CAR'S SUCK. Let's go back to body on frame vehicles and key's it's cheaper and easier. And to disable a vehicle an ignition cut off switch Like a Chapman lock. Not FIAT Chrysler The piece of shit Dodge Durango. All cars today are garbage.
Your video is very stressful to watch. Firstly because of the poor recording, meaning too much noise. Secondly you keep repeating the same thing as though you yourself are having a hard hard time to explain and emphasize your point 👎
I have a 2024 toyota camry se.. in ice edge. it came with a key. I did have auto start added to my key fob so I can start from my house. It didn’t bother me it had a key till a few people commented and said they would never buy a car without push button start. I went to the dealership they had a few camrys.. i was not at all familiar with camry trim levels. Usually drive Hondas but I thought the camry was pretty and I know people love them. I wanted heated seats and it has a heated steering wheel. Now I kind of have buyers remorse after learning about the trim levels and that I could have actually built the car I wanted! 🤯I actually love the calvary blue..I saw this car liked it bought it kind of impulsively! I wish I would have researched a bit before jumping into a decision!
Me personally I will always want a physical key for my ignition. One simple reason. You cannot use your accessories with just a key fob push start car. Meaning a push button start car only does two things on and off. With a physical key that goes into the steering column you have three choices on off accessory. I just rented a 2019 Chevy Silverado with push start and auto stop and I seriously hate both of those features. I got home one day left the windows down in the truck and I had to go out there and just start the truck up so I can roll the windows up that to me is completely half ass backwards. Again some people may like it I'm one of the ones that will never like it. Thank you for your video
I'm new to keyless entry and start. The car that I saw was a Mitsubishi with a small sensor on the door handle. Now what if the Fob Dies ?? Not sure if it has a backup key, but if it did where could the hole in the door handle be?
@@stevenwelchtoyota Thanks. I went back to the dealership and they calmed me down. There is a key in the FOB and there is a key access on the handle. Yes they said to put the Fob next to the button if it dies. Concerns about forgetting to turn off? Was told that you have to put foot on break to turn on and off! So looks like you are correct! thanks. I think most cars are going this way only low end specs. have a key.
@@stevenwelchtoyota I have had keys to fail before and lock up in the steering column.. You could not even turn the ignition off... Cadillac had dangerous key cylinders that cause accidents while driving when they failed.. You would never have any of that with a push start.
Push button start has one huge disadvantage. If the car battery is dead, or if there is some electrical failure, you can't unlock the steering wheel. You then can't push or tow the car.
NO! In an unintended acceleration scenario where there is some kind of frequency overwhelming your electronics, I want to have the option to PHYSICALLY turn off the ignition. YOU CANNOT DO THAT WITH AN ELECTRONIC SWITCH! Why don't you get this?
Toyota has a override system where if the brake is pushed it overrides the gas. Here is the part you are not thinking about. In both cases for a key or push button it goes through the computer to start or stop the car
@@stevenwelchtoyota So you're saying that the physical switch in the ignition assembly is not a master switch that would shut down the ignition and the fuel pump? It is in my '04. It has computer controlled ignition too. Always works just fine.
You are absolutely incorrect. Push Button Start is very dangerous. If you have a Push Button Start automobile and you forget to shut off your car when your car is parked in the garage, your garage will be full of carbon monoxide and carbon monoxide could enter inside your house and you would die. Carbon Monoxide is an invisible killer like coronavirus. If you have a key to shut off your automobile engine when the parked in the garage, it is much safer because you used the key to shut off the engine. It is a habit. There are lawsuits pending in courts with cars that came with Push Start and consumers accidently did not shut off the car and the tragedy happened. Mercedes Benz comes with a removable Push Start Button which can be removed very easily and you can use the key to start your ignition.
You cannot hold the method of start responsible for an accident or the failure of someone to pay attention. What about if someone backs into a car because they didnt see it on the backup camera? Is it the backup cameras fault that they didnt look in the mirror? Technology is advancing and more cars made now are push button start than key. So in reality the less common one is the key start so one could argue that the key start is more dangerous if someone is used to the push button. There are so many things that can be dangerous if used improperly, there is a reason hair dryers have labels saying not to use them in the shower its not for the people who know how to use them. Toyotas have extra safety features that will beep if you walk away with the key wile running, also if you try to lock it while running it will have a long tone that sounds. Education when someone buys a car is so important to keep people safe and that is one of the major reasons I made this channel and I do what I do.
@@stevenwelchtoyota Some of these people are too thick-headed to comprehend anything😅 The comments are insane.. It's good you are trying to inform them .
I want a traditional key on all 2021 Toyota vehicles .Toyota should offer a key and key fob on all trims.
That would be crazy to keep track of. Its hard enough to watch when a trim has the option through a tech package
Toyota needs to do away with the ancient key start on ALL VEHICLES.. SO CHEAP AND OUTDATED😅
Volkswagen uses flipout keys
I hate push button start.
Why?
@@stevenwelchtoyota I like the traditional ignition. Just more cooler in my opinion
@@Thehamburgaler69 they make both for a reason
I love it
So u hate it because it’s not cool?? Ok
Why you've sold me on purchasing a super old car😅
I like a key because your AUX power wont shut off on you until you want it too.
it stays on the same way if you set it that way
@stevewelchtoyota - How do you set the Aux Power that way?
I dont like push button. Sorry!
some people love it some hate it some dont care. its all over the spectrum
The old school key is easy to fix and cheaper to fix and push button when it breaks down it will cost you more money to fix it
They both need to be programmed to the car now. The cost is not much different between the 2
The old cars yes but new cars with key start are the same mechanism as push buttons.
If you mean the keys till the 80's then yes but in latter 30 years you need to cut-reprogramme the new one to official dealership or authorized locksmith and both aren't cheap.
This demo clears up doubts I had about the push button start.
Happy to help
A manual transmission car with a key for me! Just for sentimental reasons! :)
I understand that
Me too, i prefer a manual car with key start.
I have a manual 94 civic and had to install a push button start simply because it is so easy to break into
Can someone tell me why all these cars now beep incessantly when we start them? It’s so annoying!
usually different things powering up
Good to know the push button start should still work if the battery drains. Does using the physical key disable the alarm if the fob battery drains? On my old land cruiser there is a pattern to use in this scenario
the alarm does not go off if you use the key
Nope, still want a key. If I just want to roll down the windows and NOT START the engine, I can just put the key to "ON/RUN" and just roll down the windows. Or if i just want to roll the car backwards like say 2 feet without wasting an engine startup, same thing, key in and rotate to "ON/RUN", brake, transmission into neutral (hopefully the shifter is mechanically linked to the transmission), release brake and roll, brake, PARK, key off, done.
I still want a key.
I dont think it will be too long before you cant get it. Kind of like crank windows
Overall I do not like new cars
Yes, these features are more useful and reliable like automatic transmission, electric steering wheels, digital speedometers and of course the button to start the engine
I prefer the good old manual transmission where I have control on how and when I want to change the gears, an actual steering wheel connected to the wheels, analog speedometers while I see the arrows of the gauges going up, not a screen trying to imitate it or just a number and the good old key where first the engine cranks then starts
everything old was once new
I don’t like the push start button because I have seen so may cars getting stolen because the thieves are trick the car thinking that they have the key from something that can catch the signal of the real key. I think having my own key that requires the actual key is safer in my opinion
You can cutoff the broadcast from a push button key fob
@@stevenwelchtoyotaI'm curious to see the statistics(if any) of ignition problems in general between push button and traditional key ignition systems. I will say I've started older cars with thier traditional systems and NEVER had a problem with those.
You'll hate my hometown. Plenty of people have gotten their cars stolen despite having a traditional key system.
@@stevenwelchtoyotathen it turn it on to start the car and it ends up being more work
If I want to warm my car up away from my house , will it shut off when I walk away with the key fob?
No. It will beep as you walk away but will stay running. Also if you want to lock it you will have to do so with the emergency key manually
@@stevenwelchtoyota How far can the for be from the car to keep it running? What happens when you get a block away? Or throw the keys out the window on the highway?
I never had a push to start so I am unfamiliar with the technology. Also, Scott Kilmer said the dealerships charge a lot of money to fix the push to start button when it breaks!
They charge you 30$ to replace a 5$ button cell battery in your key fab. at that point I was very fed up and did it myself by prying the fab open. take your car to the garage to have it swapped with a key start and a kill switch. keyless cars can be hacked with a special device. key cars with a kill switch can't be hacked (unless they know where the kill switch is but i doubt it)
The argument is that the keyed ignition requires dual authentication. The physical shape of your key to turn the lock PLUS the electronics in the key as opposed to just the electronic part in the keyless ignition.
@@TapesNstuffS fair point
And the new thing that is happening with criminals getting key fob programmers and devices that magnify signals to steal cars that have key fobs
@@Jillousa I agree. I prefer the traditional key start on my 2023 Corolla LE. Security and cost savings.
What if the push button on the car malfunctions? How do you start your can then?
If the whole system goes down you would have to repair it same as with a key
@@stevenwelchtoyota Thanks for the info.
@@GreatLoner no problem
I wouldn't dismiss the fact that the push button is easier to steal so airily.
Nothing is theft proof
@@stevenwelchtoyota some things are more theft proof than others. Master lock vs abus lock for example, these push to start buttons are planned obsolescence. Every heard of that term? They fobs are very expensive and don't last as long as a traditional key.
Thanks SO MUCH Steven!!! This was soooooo helpful!!! I am the person you described. I didn't "trust" the push button start so I was going to get a RAV4 Hybrid LE because I wanted a key. You educating me has convinced me to get an XLE with the push button start!
Glad it helped!
We have a 2014 Honda civic with a traditional key and fob and a lot of times my wife will say that she wants to lock her purse in the trunk and just take her wallet inside the stores so with the push button start she would be letting the fob in the car making it very easy for someone to steal the car. I like the old way with a key.
This is the biggest tissue of propaganda that I have ever heard, car dealers will say anything to push this junk. Sorry but the truth hurts. I have a computerized vehicle and it is nothing but trouble. The computer components are constantly breaking down and costing thousands to fix them each time. I am replacing my computerized vehicle with a traditional restored classic. Much more reliable!
@@joelkuykendall8564 I am not saying anything other than current vehicles are the same thing
A lot of stuff is left out here. When I turn the key on my vehicles, the starter keeps turning over until I let it back off. Push button is not exactly the same in that respect. A FOB for push button start is also constantly sending out that signal, and it can be picked up by those around you. A relay device can send that signal to a second party. It cost me less than $15 to order a 3rd key, have it cut @ a hardware store, and my cheap Mirage programmed the key itself without any programming tools. Less than $15 to make chipped key programmed to my car. How much would a replacement FOB cost? Manual transmission, crank windows, with keys please - sell an affordable trim level. I miss base model cars. They don't exist any more!
I heard it costs a lot of money if the push to start button stops working. That is why dealerships put it on almost every trim, it is a money maker for them.
its actually cheaper and easier for manufacturers to put the upgraded equipment in the vehicles and not to offer the no frills options. The main reason for the lesser items is to give you something to pay more for on the more luxurious trims or division of the company.
Great explanation.thanks for the video
Happy to help
Great info, but please stop saying, "With that being said." These are meaningless words that are a waste of time.
Better than um
Mannnn thank you for this video ....I always thought It was mechanical ...
Happy to help
Very helpful. Thank you.
My good old 98 Camry, sometimes I need to jiggle the key and shifter to get her going.
Hate you can't do that here.....or can you?
I'm still confused. Is there a way to do a hide a key sort of thing?
Interesting the back up system to the push button start. Also I didn't realize even the key ignition does not have a starter but sends the signal to the engine to start. Thanks Steve.
Happy to help
@Shelby Bergeross I guess if you mean the fob sending the signal even the key has a chip that sends a message to the computer
@Shelby Bergeross most newer cars all work that way
all internal combustion vehicles have a fucking starter and alternator they cannot function without them don't listen to a bullshit sales man but actual a mechanic
Nope. I still want a key.
Some do but I have a feeling they will all be push button before too long
@@stevenwelchtoyota I figured that. Thats why I'm in the market for a 2nd or 3rd gen used. Thanks for the info 👍🏻
@@stevenwelchtoyota back again lol. My key ignition finally failed me. Push button here I come. Eating my words now 🤣🤣
@@greatness79ajj oh no! Really?
@@christee299 Nah I've changed my mind since then lol. Just had to replace my "keyed" ignition on my Honda. 😆 I'm eating crow rn 🤣
With a key, the key has a place to go to, you won't lose the key inside the car, making it impossible to lock the car later. Also, if you have it in the pocket, and someone else in the car decides to take over, and you have to get down, the key is still in your pocket, and the car will turn off in a few meters. I think the push start cars also need a place to keep the key, probably with a magnetic holder for it, so it always stays there when you drive.
The exacts on what happens can vary between vehicles
@@stevenwelchtoyota can you accidently lock yourself out???
@@rogerdodger8813 not usually no
once the majority of keyless vehicles are started they dont require the physical presence of the key as its purely mechanical nothing prevents the vehicle from idling revving or changing gear unless the vehicle is shut off and no a signal cannot remotely turn it off unless you have an actual remote start system which is even easier to hack/exploit due to the rf frequency's ( aside from the very very few purely electric vehicles ) this is the exact same bullshit that the old af garage door openers used back in the 1980's all you need to do is spam out various signals and can start most mall parkingl ots with the right knowledge and practice ..
@@Azraiel.Bridger My cousin once took a car which needed the presence of the key inside the car for it to work. He took his parents with him, and he had to go out (to return home later by bus), so his father took over. He had the key in his pocket, and once he moved out of the car and went some 100 feet, the car stopped. They couldn't figure why the car stopped, and got help to have it pushed out of the way.
What car is that? Looks great.
@@cue_khb rav4
But one is $60 to fix the other one $1,500
Depends on what is broken
Steve thank you so much for this, very informative. For the Honda 2016 do you have to use break hold with the key. What happens with the emergency break with a push button?
if you own a 2023 Toyota vehicle will push button start. will push button start stop working after 10 years when Toyota deactivate service connect since computer software is old and no more updates.
No, it's not the mechanical connection. It's everything behind the switch. All the circuitry all the bs features that require all those features make it so complex. Murphy's law and kiss principle need to come back into automotive engineers brains.
The key goes to the same features
@@stevenwelchtoyota not in my truck. 2012. Yeah it has a chip but it's a transponder module in addition to the traditional ignition
@@philcol86 older vehicles are different
This was very interesting. I had no idea. I'm thinking about getting new car. The one I'm looking at is a 2019 model, but it has the push button start and I was a bit leery of it. I was in the "key only" crowd you could say, but that's only because my old car is a 1999!! I'm not sure if I'm totally comfortable with push button start yet, but I'm glad to know more about it. Thanks!
it is very informative. thanks.
Happy to help
This is true....I just want power seats & power trunk on am suv & I can't find one without a keyless start & I NEED those things cuz of my back.
Which one is best in key start & push button start ?
Suggest me ...
they both have benefits and drawbacks
@@stevenwelchtoyota safe answer hehehe
So I’m 13 and I’m just wondering what would be on the yellow card and also I subbed and liked
If you mean the card in the center of the windshield it is the stock number of the vehicle
@@stevenwelchtoyota ok
@@jai_gaming565 have a great weekend
@@stevenwelchtoyota thx same to u
All these complex electronic systems are nice until they stop working. When the car doesn't recognize the fob and none of the workarounds work, you are stuck...! No way to get the car started so it's a tow to the dealer.
the key works the same way. it is electronically recognized or the car does not start
LOL the technical ignorance from people is astonishing, you tried to help but you should have just gone high tech explanation so there brains froze
Tried to make it easy
So does the key in the "keyless" fob actually start the car when inserted into the ignition? I'm thinking of a scenario where the push button mechanism totally stops working as pushing the start/stop button is still a mechanical activity that makes contact with something and triggers a signal to be sent to the computer, does it not? Or did I miss something in this video?
Nothing creates a contact type connection
What road are you on?
highway 40
gives a completely different level of understading than any Scotty Klimer video. Thanks a lot!
Edit: It's funny that you said the exact same thing I told my family (before watching the video) with no clue how button start works: both the key and the button sends an electronic signal. I'm just a young guy with absolutely no notable mechanical experience, just know some car theory and have some car logic :). My questions are, what if the remote gets lost? Is it as easy to replace it as a key? Could you have a spare remote? I might have missed that in the video if you talked about it, if I did then I apologize. Thank you in advance!
its like any other lost key, you need to replace it if lost but it is more expensive for the fob than the old style key
@@stevenwelchtoyota alright, thanks!
My 2014 Honda Civic has a push start, funny that you mention the trim levels I got it used and it has a lot of electronics that my moms doesn’t have and she has the 2013 with a key, I love the push start
There are alot of pros to a push button start
2013 and up Honda Accord EX trims and higher came standard with push button start and touch entry.. I love that feature .❤
I am wondering, if my Entune problems on my 2019 Rav 4 are due to my Android phone? Seems as though Toyota forgot about android users when they made these in 2019. I phone has Car play installed, we must load scout app which is garbage, always freezes, can't recalculate when directional changes are made. It is a shame, you spend a good deal of money on a new vehicle as Toyota, and Entune 3.0 was designed around I phone user's.
it was due to not having the android deal struck on the rav4 when they built them in 19. rumor has it that scout gps will be replaced with waze soon.
@@stevenwelchtoyota Could my android phone, T Mobile, One plus 6 T be at fault. I have problems getting entune to load, I have Toyota app, and Toyota + Alexa app installed, but still have 50 percent of the time loading? Thanks Steve
@@gardenjohn1 its possible
@@stevenwelchtoyota Steve, you know so much about Toyota, does the Toyota app need good wi-fi to connect with Entune to operate? I keep getting message on Entune ,app must be installed on phone, any help is appreciated, John.
@@gardenjohn1 download entune 3.0
Great video! What's the logic behind it ' cause the key still has to go in there anyway to drive out the car right.
Correct me if I'm wrong 'cause I just started using these push-button cars..
You need the key in your vehicle to start it
I love me a key.
Ok guy what do you do if the fob and button stops working at the same time how do you start the car.
I rather have a key at least a key turn guarantee's a start.
Also I hate the way car's are built today.
2 car bodies put together.
No frame
NEW CAR'S SUCK.
Let's go back to body on frame vehicles and key's it's cheaper and easier.
And to disable a vehicle an ignition cut off switch
Like a Chapman lock.
Not FIAT Chrysler
The piece of shit Dodge Durango.
All cars today are garbage.
the key you turn still goes to a computer module, just like the push button. it is not much different rather than what you see and do.
Go take your meds and stop living in the past .
Your video is very stressful to watch. Firstly because of the poor recording, meaning too much noise. Secondly you keep repeating the same thing as though you yourself are having a hard hard time to explain and emphasize your point 👎
do you have a spell check?
@@stevenwelchtoyota no system did not alert me, anyway I have corrected the typos, that was my poor typing not lack of spelling acumen
I have a 2024 toyota camry se.. in ice edge. it came with a key. I did have auto start added to my key fob so I can start from my house. It didn’t bother me it had a key till a few people commented and said they would never buy a car without push button start. I went to the dealership they had a few camrys.. i was not at all familiar with camry trim levels. Usually drive Hondas but I thought the camry was pretty and I know people love them. I wanted heated seats and it has a heated steering wheel. Now I kind of have buyers remorse after learning about the trim levels and that I could have actually built the car I wanted! 🤯I actually love the calvary blue..I saw this car liked it bought it kind of impulsively! I wish I would have researched a bit before jumping into a decision!
How long the button last?
The life of the car
So if the car wont start it is the starter goes bad and not the button?
@@markh8277 could be the key?
Me personally I will always want a physical key for my ignition. One simple reason. You cannot use your accessories with just a key fob push start car. Meaning a push button start car only does two things on and off. With a physical key that goes into the steering column you have three choices on off accessory. I just rented a 2019 Chevy Silverado with push start and auto stop and I seriously hate both of those features. I got home one day left the windows down in the truck and I had to go out there and just start the truck up so I can roll the windows up that to me is completely half ass backwards. Again some people may like it I'm one of the ones that will never like it. Thank you for your video
Actually you can use the accessory mode, just hit the button without putting your foot on the brake
That’s false, once ur foot is not on the brake it won’t start but turns on the accessory
Thank you. I'm literally sitting waiting for a tow because my key ignition is worn on my 2009 accord. I'm ready for push button now 😢
Those are bad about the key cylinders going bad
I'm new to keyless entry and start. The car that I saw was a Mitsubishi with a small sensor on the door handle. Now what if the Fob Dies ?? Not sure if it has a backup key, but if it did where could the hole in the door handle be?
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@@stevenwelchtoyota Thanks. I went back to the dealership and they calmed me down. There is a key in the FOB and there is a key access on the handle. Yes they said to put the Fob next to the button if it dies. Concerns about forgetting to turn off? Was told that you have to put foot on break to turn on and off! So looks like you are correct! thanks. I think most cars are going this way only low end specs. have a key.
What happens if you accidentally leave the vehicle running
Most have a safety system to shut it off
I disagree with u push button r most likely to fail this is coming from a mechanic and it's alot more money to replace a push button
i have seen keys fail more often than the push button. This also from a mechanic
@@stevenwelchtoyota I have had keys to fail before and lock up in the steering column.. You could not even turn the ignition off... Cadillac had dangerous key cylinders that cause accidents while driving when they failed.. You would never have any of that with a push start.
Push button start has one huge disadvantage. If the car battery is dead, or if there is some electrical failure, you can't unlock the steering wheel. You then can't push or tow the car.
There are good and bad to everything. A lot of cars come without a spare tire making a tow truck inevitable if you have a blowout
@@stevenwelchtoyota not as bad as push button
NO! In an unintended acceleration scenario where there is some kind of frequency overwhelming your electronics, I want to have the option to PHYSICALLY turn off the ignition. YOU CANNOT DO THAT WITH AN ELECTRONIC SWITCH! Why don't you get this?
Toyota has a override system where if the brake is pushed it overrides the gas. Here is the part you are not thinking about. In both cases for a key or push button it goes through the computer to start or stop the car
@@stevenwelchtoyota So you're saying that the physical switch in the ignition assembly is not a master switch that would shut down the ignition and the fuel pump? It is in my '04. It has computer controlled ignition too. Always works just fine.
would you recommend a aftermarket one? from key to push start? or keep the key?
Thanks.
I am a proponent of keeping things stock. Less issues in the long run
@@stevenwelchtoyota I agree. Thank you. Wish you all the best.
@@ayayotoko you too
You are absolutely incorrect. Push Button Start is very dangerous. If you have a Push Button Start automobile and you forget to shut off your car when your car is parked in the garage, your garage will be full of carbon monoxide and carbon monoxide could enter inside your house and you would die. Carbon Monoxide is an invisible killer like coronavirus.
If you have a key to shut off your automobile engine when the parked in the garage, it is much safer because you used the key to shut off the engine. It is a habit.
There are lawsuits pending in courts with cars that came with Push Start and consumers accidently did not shut off the car and the tragedy happened.
Mercedes Benz comes with a removable Push Start Button which can be removed very easily and you can use the key to start your ignition.
You cannot hold the method of start responsible for an accident or the failure of someone to pay attention. What about if someone backs into a car because they didnt see it on the backup camera? Is it the backup cameras fault that they didnt look in the mirror? Technology is advancing and more cars made now are push button start than key. So in reality the less common one is the key start so one could argue that the key start is more dangerous if someone is used to the push button. There are so many things that can be dangerous if used improperly, there is a reason hair dryers have labels saying not to use them in the shower its not for the people who know how to use them. Toyotas have extra safety features that will beep if you walk away with the key wile running, also if you try to lock it while running it will have a long tone that sounds. Education when someone buys a car is so important to keep people safe and that is one of the major reasons I made this channel and I do what I do.
@@stevenwelchtoyota I agree 100%
@@MattCC16Gaming thanks
@@stevenwelchtoyota Some of these people are too thick-headed to comprehend anything😅 The comments are insane.. It's good you are trying to inform them .
@@charlesjackson1700 thank you
Engine start button is Miles Better
to Each his own