Super interesting. I read a number of Rodney Stark's books a few years back, and they started me on this journey of discovering how much of the history I thought I knew was terribly inaccurate: dark ages, flat earth, the church being backward and anti-science etc. I'm really enjoying this continuation of the journey. Thanks so much Tim O'neill for your time and effort in keeping plebs like me better informed!:)
Thank you both! I'm studying the history of astronomy and technology in Hellenistic times for a PhD and I have finally found the best expression of what I've been trying to put my finger down on but couldn't: "the teleological view of the history of science". My goodness, SPOT ON and exactly why I enjoy my subject at the moment! It reveals the brilliance of humans at the time and underlines the timelessness of the human mind and common humanity and that we all share in recorded history. Exactly the same with e.g. Babylonian Astronomy where historians of science do not want to acknowledge it like the mathematical science that it was because astrologers are de facto incapable of rational thought. Francesca Rochberg (Berkeley atm) has done lovely work on this particular subject and might make an excellent guest for a future video. I got Seb's book for Xmas and will soon finally study it - it is directly relevant to my research...! Speaking of which, I would be very grateful for any references that talk specifically about that "teleological narrative" and "whiggish view"... I am fully on board to fight this and I'd like to do more reading on it.
@@yordannydelvalle3301 Is the question about Babylonian mathematics? Judging from your RUclips playlist I assume so. A lovely introductory book which explains some of the mathematical modelling that took place is "The Exact Sciences in Antiquity" by Neugebauer. Short and low price little book. It has a few examples of linear zig-zag functions that the Sumerians/Assyrians/Babylonians developed to describe periodic phenomena such as the length of lunar months (anomalistic, sidereal, synodic) and planetary synodic and sidereal periods. It is really great as you can see they even incorporated second order differences in their mathematical functions. A numerical pre-calculus approach. It is purely numerical in nature but very impressive nevertheless. More detailed descriptions can be found in Neugebauer's "History of Ancient Mathematical Astronomy", which contains details of both Babylonian and Greek approaches to mathematical astronomy - but it's much more "hairy" and not of an introductory nature, assuming the reader is familiar with many details in observational astronomy and its history.
@@arisd1669 The reason I talk to is because I am mechanical engineer student and it called my attention how mathematics were used in ancient civilization. I am by no mean a schoolar or am academic. I am just a normal dude that took curiosity on those subjects. Funny thing, you are the first person that is a researcher that I ever contact with. That majority of my college are professional, entrepreneurs, activities and some project I am doing. That's it. I don't t what to give you because the majority of my books are just theories and exercises to refined said subject ( depending in what type engineering you are expecializing). When I find something I might give some good sources. Still, it good to know something new for a while. Greetings from Puerto Rico.
I've been putting them together over the last few months, teaching myself Adobe Premiere as I went. That's why my editing skills are still a little rough, but getting better (I hope).
@@zoookx I have an excellent mic. Unfortunately Zoom-based interviews are never going to have great sound quality in their recorded versions. And I use a Rode VideoMic Me-L mic for my intros etc. Also a good mic. These videos are shot in my office and my living room as a hobby. If you want studio quality sound, you're out of luck pal.
After reading the Amazon reviews, I have decided that this is not a book I want to read. I have heard a few interviews, and Dr. Falk seems to center his work around one or two events in the late middle ages and then concluded that the entire epoch must be light and bright. Questionable.
I usually find actually reading a book is the best way to find out what the book says. Your summary of what you think it "seems" to do is wrong. But it "seems" you don't want to actually learn more about the period and you "seem" to just want to cling to outdated clichés. Your loss.
Super interesting. I read a number of Rodney Stark's books a few years back, and they started me on this journey of discovering how much of the history I thought I knew was terribly inaccurate: dark ages, flat earth, the church being backward and anti-science etc. I'm really enjoying this continuation of the journey. Thanks so much Tim O'neill for your time and effort in keeping plebs like me better informed!:)
A most effective ad for the book. I ordered one immediately and am now immersed in it.
Long time fan - subbed!
Thank you both! I'm studying the history of astronomy and technology in Hellenistic times for a PhD and I have finally found the best expression of what I've been trying to put my finger down on but couldn't: "the teleological view of the history of science". My goodness, SPOT ON and exactly why I enjoy my subject at the moment! It reveals the brilliance of humans at the time and underlines the timelessness of the human mind and common humanity and that we all share in recorded history. Exactly the same with e.g. Babylonian Astronomy where historians of science do not want to acknowledge it like the mathematical science that it was because astrologers are de facto incapable of rational thought. Francesca Rochberg (Berkeley atm) has done lovely work on this particular subject and might make an excellent guest for a future video. I got Seb's book for Xmas and will soon finally study it - it is directly relevant to my research...! Speaking of which, I would be very grateful for any references that talk specifically about that "teleological narrative" and "whiggish view"... I am fully on board to fight this and I'd like to do more reading on it.
Where I can get the book and also can I see your studies to read it myself? I am genuinly curious.
@@yordannydelvalle3301 Is the question about Babylonian mathematics? Judging from your RUclips playlist I assume so. A lovely introductory book which explains some of the mathematical modelling that took place is "The Exact Sciences in Antiquity" by Neugebauer. Short and low price little book. It has a few examples of linear zig-zag functions that the Sumerians/Assyrians/Babylonians developed to describe periodic phenomena such as the length of lunar months (anomalistic, sidereal, synodic) and planetary synodic and sidereal periods. It is really great as you can see they even incorporated second order differences in their mathematical functions. A numerical pre-calculus approach. It is purely numerical in nature but very impressive nevertheless. More detailed descriptions can be found in Neugebauer's "History of Ancient Mathematical Astronomy", which contains details of both Babylonian and Greek approaches to mathematical astronomy - but it's much more "hairy" and not of an introductory nature, assuming the reader is familiar with many details in observational astronomy and its history.
@@arisd1669 The reason I talk to is because I am mechanical engineer student and it called my attention how mathematics were used in ancient civilization. I am by no mean a schoolar or am academic. I am just a normal dude that took curiosity on those subjects. Funny thing, you are the first person that is a researcher that I ever contact with. That majority of my college are professional, entrepreneurs, activities and some project I am doing. That's it. I don't t what to give you because the majority of my books are just theories and exercises to refined said subject ( depending in what type engineering you are expecializing). When I find something I might give some good sources. Still, it good to know something new for a while. Greetings from Puerto Rico.
Thank you, Tim. This is very interesting.
Well done. When did you do all these?
I've been putting them together over the last few months, teaching myself Adobe Premiere as I went. That's why my editing skills are still a little rough, but getting better (I hope).
@@historyforatheists9363 You just need a better mic and you are 💯
@@zoookx I have an excellent mic. Unfortunately Zoom-based interviews are never going to have great sound quality in their recorded versions. And I use a Rode VideoMic Me-L mic for my intros etc. Also a good mic. These videos are shot in my office and my living room as a hobby. If you want studio quality sound, you're out of luck pal.
@@historyforatheists9363 No problem. I am already lucky enough for such a great content. I wish you success with your channel!
Wow great interview! I'm not very familiar with medieval science so I'll have to put this book on my reading list.
astrolabe action
great work. not bad for a guy who had to suffer under the rule of Lex Luthor in the 80's
What are you talking about?
@@henrimourant9855 comic book reference i think
@@justinsankar1164 ohh i see
"The Gherkin" ;-)
After reading the Amazon reviews, I have decided that this is not a book I want to read. I have heard a few interviews, and Dr. Falk seems to center his work around one or two events in the late middle ages and then concluded that the entire epoch must be light and bright. Questionable.
I usually find actually reading a book is the best way to find out what the book says. Your summary of what you think it "seems" to do is wrong. But it "seems" you don't want to actually learn more about the period and you "seem" to just want to cling to outdated clichés. Your loss.
First thumbs down.
Who hurt you?
@@carsonwall2400 What? You are taking YT way too seriously.