This Might Be The Best Summer Apple, Williams' Pride
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2021
- Williams' Pride may be the overall best summer apple. It is early, disease resistant, produces over a long season, delicious, and holds well for an early apple. It is also a good candidate for summer breeding, with good growing traits, quality and a tendency to develop red flesh. In a collection of summer apples, it is probably my first recommendation, but don't limit yourself to just one, add Chestnut Crab and Kerry's Irish Pippin.Thank you everyone for the views, shares and support
Cookie bags: These are the bags I've ended up gravitating to the most. They are for pastries, flat, and translucent. Enough light gets through to ripen fruit. They work very well as bird protection, but in a bad year when there is no other fruit, birds might still figure it out and peck them. But since they can't see the fruit, they usually don't. I tear down the seam of the bag about 3 inches and slip the tear over the stem, fold so that the two sides overlap in a way that protects the top of the apple and staple with a small swingline "tot" stapler. It is not fast, but as fast as some others and not much slower than the fastest options. To check the truit later, you can just tear off a corner of the bag and look in. about .07 cents each amzn.to/37CIbQO
White paper Kraft bags: These are like small lunch bags. They work well to keep birds off, but they still let in enough light to ripen. They are bulky though and are more likely to result in the fruit breaking off when you put them on. There are also lots of places where they just don't really fit. I either staple them, or just twist the end into a tight neck and it will actually stay that way. You can untwist to look at the fruit which is nice. I like them enough that I want to have them around, but I use more of the cookie bags. These are also big enough to fit over two fruits when you have clusters that you don't want to thin. And they are cheap in bulk @ .05 cents each amzn.to/3jV59Z6
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Great video!
So happy I found your channel. Always fantastic content.
Good video. Very inspiring for the home orchardist. Keep em coming!
I have been watching you for a long time. It makes smile to see you so exited and healthy looking again. Because of you I have a 6 apple tree and I have a tree collard tree. Thanks for sharing excitedly and in such detail the joys of your life.
I just added Williams' Pride to my tree this year, I can't wait!
My husband walked by and asked who the "charismatic cult leader with the apple" was, haha. This variety sounds very interesting, I'm going to try to find it for this fall. Thanks for the video!
BTW, have you ever considered putting together some of your videos on grafting and writing some kind of ebook and selling it as a home grafting apple mania course? I know I would be very interested!
@@trillium7582 If I do an apple book, it will be an eclectic mix of experiences, opinion, technique, philosophy and anything else. I've considered it. I won't write and publish quicky books. I hate that. It will be a real book or I won't do it. It doesn't matter if it would be still useful, better is better. I was just telling this girl I met on line that I am thinking about starting a cult lol. I told her I was charismatic enough. I probably scared her off ha ha. I'm serious actually. It would be a self destructing anti-cult cult that you get kicked out of once we make you cult proof lol. The equivalent of enlightenment would be shifting to a way of thinking beyond the belief paradigm and then there's the door, get the *&^% out and go do something interesting. I can see a ritual where we have a sacred door that you stand at and someone literally kicks you in the ass and you fly outside and can't come back 🤣🤣🤣 I'm also contemplating going to stay in an ashram in India, partly to observe that group dynamic that causes good things to go bad, because it's right at that stage where that would happen. I think the way that happens, or why and how I guess is almost the #1 problem to solve in this age. Or maybe I'll just go live in the woods alone...
I'm so ready to graft some WP scions on my trees. Can't wait to get a few.
Great to see you again Steven. Congratulations on the progress! I hope the smoke isn't too bad. Even 240 miles away it was pretty heavy. Happy August!
We have only had one of what I would consider an actual bad smoke day. It's dark with smoke now, the sun comes up red and barely shines though all day, but the smoke is high and I can barely even smell it. I don't even know where the fires are this year. I don't watch the news. I find out when they are close, otherwise, it's like this every summer on and off. More common now of course, but we expect it.
Williams Pride is my FAVORITE apple period. It is so good and it just tastes like perfection.
Those apples look great, I am just waiting to get my first apples! My seedling trees are going putting on a decent amount of growth. I think the approach of planting a bunch of seeds in one spot and picking the seedlings that do well in that spot is working for me. Maybe I'll graft some other varieties on there. You hit the nail on the head - the fun part is the potential surprise of something amazing when you harvest your first apple. If I knew exactly how it would turn out, I don't think it would be as interesting. I made some "inspired" tulip crosses this year and it's going to be cool to see how they turn out in a few years!
It's good to have a project going that goes long into the future. It's certainly an engaging pursuit, gets people outside and something to look forward to. I do some daffodil crosses. Daffs and tulips both have a pretty broad morphology to play with. My goal is to produce a red rimmed split cup. I've never seen one.
I have about a hundred apple trees here in northern Wisconsin, Zone 3. I've been watching a lot of your videos really enjoying it. I have never had a waldorf salad. I can't wait to make one and plan to bring one to next Thanksgiving. Thank you!
Waldorf salad is really a weird dish, but delicious. It is a distinctly American recipe. There is a synergy between apples and walnuts that is really magical.
@SkillCult so cool!
Grafted quite a few williams pride with your scions this spring so I'm excited to see how they do in the midwest.
They should do great!
I’m gonna look around for one looks and sounds like a good addition to my yard orchard
I love mine too! And I'm surprised we are harvesting at the same time, as I live in Qc, Canada! So yes, cold hardy, at least USDA 4. Last year, there was lots of watercore, but none this year so far. My WP tree is less productive than Goldrush or Liberty, which is sad. Nice to hear yours is productive. This apple oxydizes quite fast and for that reason, I wouldn't put it in a salad, unless I planned on eating it right away. Your apple breeding program really is exciting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Our early apples can actually ripen later here. Yeah, it is not as cold in the spring, and the days are hot, but most nights are cool and things slow down at night. It does oxidize fast. Almost immediately. I use vitamin C powder for that, just mix a little in water and use as a rinse. I always do that when I dry them. i hope you get to try some of my apples up there at some point :) Cheers.
@@SkillCult Thanks for the reply and yes, I would love to grow one of your creations some day! It would have to ripen earlier than Goldrush. When I hear you talk about harvesting apples in january, I get a little jealous, hehe!
I'll have some early stuff. I actually have a couple promising ones right now; The big one I tasted in the video after this was very promising (only one fruit this year :-/ ) Another appears to be showing signs of ripening now, so probably early sept, an early one was very good, with slight cherry and anise flavor, almost surely a cherry cox parent, but it has no tag. I have a small, low acid sugar bomb of a late august apple now too. It's a wickson seedling. it is very low acid though, with flavors along the lines of plum and sugarcane. It's like eating sugar basically ha ha. Not sure if that one will be that useful, but as a source of low acid sugar in August... There should be plenty of early fall stuff too coming down the pike. We'll see.
Well said. Williams pride is also on my list to plant. Tried some at an orchard last year. They survived -30F here. I tried growing honey crisp but insect damage and fireblight killed the trees. Won't be growing them again.
Where can I get those white bags you put over the apples?
Good to see you posting more videos.
The bags I've ended up using the most are bakery pastry bags, cookie bags really. They are flat. I tear down the seam about half way and put that over the stem, then fold and staple. it's slow, but not much different than other options and it works well. They are not the cheapest, but pretty cheap. I'll add a link to the description of what I bought off amazon. But I use also a miniature staple I got on ebay. it's a swingline tot. it is challenging to use a regular sized stapler. I know we can do a lot better than what is out there now for bagging options, but having got a lot of stuff and tried it all, that is the one I end up using the most. I also use regular whit paper bags, like a small lunch bag. Those will fit over two apples at a time. I also tear down the seam on those for 4 inches or so to slip over the stem. sometimes I staple them and sometimes I just twist the neck nice and tight and they actually stay put. They are cheaper, but harder to put on, don't fit everywhere and are more likely to result in breaking off fruits. I like to have them to use though. For larger sections of branch, I'll use large organza bags, but if there is not a lot of fruit around, the birds are more likely to peck through them, becasue they can see the fruit. Same with the nylon footies. I use them when there is enough fruit that birds will just go peck something easier.
The 1872 Egremont Russet's is probably one of my favorites. The tannins are very delicious
I have it. It's very good here. the Golden Russet still beats all so far in the Russet department. Certainly try it if you haven't.
@@SkillCult I must try it
Pick and store cool/cold morning apples - when the juicy sugars are higher. In the afternoon, all vegetables and fruits have less water and higher starch content (potato texture). Same for picking corn in the morning with juicy sugars, vs the afternoon dry and starchy corn texture.
Thanks for the apple video updates. I always look forward to these. I've packed my small yard over the last few years with as many (dwarf/semi dwarf) apple trees that I think it can hold but now I'm wishing I had space for a Williams Pride. I planted a Gravenstein apple tree this year as I recently discovered them at a U-pick apple orchard and they might be my favorite but sadly I picked the few apples that it produced this year too early and they just tasted sour. when is the ideal time to harvest a Gravenstein?
Yes, grav is hard to figure out. You probably picked them because they were starting to drop, which is it's biggest issue. If you can hang them til actually ripe, they can be exceptional, but it's hard to get them right. Just taste them off the tree until you're pretty sure they are ready. They can get a high sugar and more balanced flavor. Just graft one branch of a tree to WP, that will be plenty probably.
Hi, it all depends on your location / climate / how hot the summer was. Here in Switzerland I harvest only those that fall by themselves, so the question is solved by itself, the first ones mid september and the last ones mid october. Of course those that get hurt must be processed quite quickly, the intact ones can be stored for some time.
2020 was a record year, my tree yielding 15 crates of apples, not counting those that fouled on the tree. I have had most of them distilled into 34 litres of apple brandy. Cheers !
Just to brag a little... i have discover (about few months ago) new apple variety few miles out of my town (not very far). About two weeks ago i gave her a visit and i was stunned!! Apples look amazing - dark, dark red (almost purple), midium sized, round shaped and THEY ARE RED INSIDE!!!
score! Do you think it's a seedling? Hope they turn out to be good. Might be interesting to breed with regardless with those traits.
@@SkillCult i forgot to say (i was in the rush) - to me the outer look is almost perfect (i didn't take the photo - idiot) on scale 1 to 10 ( 10 is perfection) is 9 of 10. Almost perfect... The taste, on the other hand, is not spectacular, maybe 5 of 10. I mean it's eatable apple, but that is all... Thinking out loud, i think crossing with some of your sweet and tastefull aplles would be very interesting idea... the combination could be very good. Just saying, dhough... I gave myself a mission to graft her before next spring. Must do!! And i still don't know how could i mist her all these years... like i said, she's behind some old farm house just few miles from my town. And she's the ONLY apple with red flesh in the area that i'm aware of.
This was the first year my frankentree had blooms and I was pretty stoked. Not many apples survived a late frost and exactly zero remain now. Whatever, it happens.
Of greater concern: I may lose the whole tree. It looks....not happy. My trees have done this weird bark splitting/ shedding thing last couple years. I thought my frankentree was vigorous to heal itself and be fine. Might be starting from scratch. I harvested scions from most of the varieties this spring. Guess I can start from scratch if need be.
Bummer. Glad to see a Skillcult video, especially an Apple video. Been missing them.
bummer. first things I think is some kind of canker or sunburn.
I live in Minnesota, and the best eating right from the tree is when it’s about 40F. I gorged myself on Sweet 16 and Honeycrisp about a month ago hen we had a cold snap. I’ll have to grab some Williams Pride scions late this winter and get some of those going, too.
Double check on the hardiness. Not totally sure it can make it there.
@@SkillCult looks like zones 4-9, so i should be okay there.
Curculio absolutely hammered my William's Pride apples this year :(
We have those, but not too bad. They definitely suck
Damm missed it live! Do you have yellow ingestrie or it's parent golden pippen. Yellow ingestrie is my favorite of the earlier apples but in saying that my Williams pride graft failed so can't compare!
I don't have either, that I can recall, but definitely will try them.
I have a couple of volunteer appletrees that as far as I can estimate are a cross of desert apples with flowering crabapples, one has yellow fruit one has red. Fruits are about one inch wide maybe a bit more and grow in clusters of 5-8 with long stems like many crabapples I have seen pictures of. Last year I tried severe fruit thinning very early in the season just to see fruit size potential, didn't make much difference. Texture seems right for pressing, a bit fibrous, but I don't have a mill or press.
For parentage I have several desert apple trees with lost IDs(former owner), a red-leaf red-flower flowering crab, and a green leaf white flower flowering crab. The flowering crabs get tiny pea size fruits. My only yellow apple parent I estimate is a Transparent based on a few factors.
Well, they can always be used as grafting stock. Having trees to work onto is valuable.
Going to get some Scions of this one
Yeah I have no idea what's up with the honey crisp craze as well. We have an orchard near us that has honey crisp and I prefer McIntosh, mutsu, or keystone gold for a sweet apple straight off the tree. Honey crisp are my favorite from the store but that's not saying much compared to red and delicious or Fuji.
I’ve been trying like crazy to find keystone scions or trees.
Sounds like a great tasting apple, will the scions be sold in 2022?
I usually have a lot of them. Should have plenty this year.
I had honeycrisps from a small apple farm in Minnesota in 1999---before "anyone" knew about them--and they were really good. Supermarket Honeycrisp is awful. I got my first 3 williams pride apples this year and I have to say I was impressed with them...super early, quite tasty, and obviously disease free.
Steven - maybe you've mentioned this in a video that I've missed but what bags are you using here? You've got brown and white bags...so I'm curious. My organza bags got nailed by bugs and the squirrels/raccoons also seem to prefer the organza bags over ziploc.
I put some info in the video description on the bags. I don't like the brown opaque bags. They have a coating inside to exclude light, so you have to take them off early to ripen. The others are mostly bakery cookie bags. I put a link to the ones I bought, cheapest I could find them, but I might look at a paper company or bakery supply for cheaper and larger quantity in the future. 200 bags. doesn't last long.
Also re: cold hardiness it is a PRI apple not U. Minnesota. We had extremely cold blast in Feb and late frost in Apr this year and they seemed to do ok. We don't have hard winters in general though.
Thanks, I can't keep those straight.
I have William's Pride planted here in zone 5. Hopefully will fruit next year. According to the nursery it should be ready late Aug for me.
The other PRI apple I have is Pristine which claims to be a really good early apple. Ready early Aug in Zone 5.
I’m right there with ya on two things, death metal and honeycrisp. One is under appreciated and the other is a big to do about nothing lol.
lol \m/>.
Steven have you planted any american persimmons or pawpaw's at this location? I know you're pretty heavily invested in apples and one man can't do everything but they're very interesting crop trees. Persimmons in particular could use a lot of breeding still. A two year old American rootstock I grafted this spring is about 4' tall and 1/2" at least in diameter this far into the season. It's a very vigorous grower in good conditions.
No I haven't gone there. I did get very distracted by apples, so most other stuff is just one or two of something, not that much really. I'll leave the persimmon work to someone else, though it's very interesting and I see the potential for sure. Especially here where asian persimmons do well. but for that reason too, I can avail myself of tons of those and just test and grow them. I've always had plans to grow more asian persimmons as they are very healthy, self sufficient and productive here. Also, it they are one of the best fruits for drying, maybe the best IMO. When, if, I get a new place, I'll plant a lot of persimmons if I have room, just as an amazing self reliant food source.
Williams Pride grows well here In Alabama. Fireblight can be a problem on it along with many other resistant varieties here. Birds love the Red apples But they don’t attack my yellow varieties.
They are nutty for WP here. Also Sweet 16. If I don't bag WP they will wipe it out. I got almost all the fruit this year by bagging, otherwise I'd have none. It's the combination of quality, reddness and early season when they are more hungry.
@@SkillCult I like the bag trick you used. I’m gonna do that next year. Love your content!
I have two of these and like them but had a hard time determining ripeness. I picked them in late July in 7A when the purple bloom was all over them but even found that most were not fully ripe. I guess I need to wait until they drop.
I've really found that most of them will fall off on their own, or with a light shake, right about then they are just right. I just go out every morning and look and occasionally give it a light shake. They also ripen very unevenly, which is great if you get when to pick them figured out.
@@SkillCult definitely will do that next year. I went and dug one out of the fridge while finishing video. Delicious indeed!
@@sanjuancb They do seem to ripen in the fridge okay if they are just a little underripe. Better tree ripened, but pretty convenient for a summer apple
Apples with long season aren't necessarily undesirable for commercial growers. You will get many more apples of a tree with a long ripening season than a tree that ripens all at once. We often do 2-4 select picks on varieties like jazz and Envy. Iv worked on orchards where they tried to make us pick/thin only the big granny smiths and leave the small ones to grow bigger. Different orchards want different things though. NZ
thanks. Good to know. It seems in efficient, but I guess it also gives time to get the job done and not have to do it all in one week or someting.
Just picked up a bunch of drops from some old apple trees near my house that are huge old trees consumed by forest..mostly green but ripen to yellow pretty tart with some red blushing not super crisp but a good tart apple forsure!..these and some super sweet reds that turn completely red flesh when ripe..any ideas on varieties? Anyhow made 3 gallons of home pressed cider think I'll be ordering slot of grafts this year and trying to get a bunch of frankentrees...just love apples!
Is the RF ripe now? If it's good, you should propagate it. I'd try it to see if it's worthy of breeding stock. Usually RF apples are any of low sugar, acidic and meally.
RF are small now but close to ripe they are pretty thick skinned mealy and very very sweet..to breed you just apply pollen grains to the flowers and bag it right
What metal had you been listening too?
Also what growing zone are you?
read my reply below!
Forgive me if this gets covered later in the video but what is the awesome death metal?
Check out discussing with shadowXgaming below! toss in any recommendations! \m/>.
Does it require a cool season? I would like to grow apples in southern Thailand, but I did not think it was possible.
I don't know for sure. If you don't have any frost, look at a website called Kuffel Creek or the Apples and Oranges blog. He grows apples in the tropics and has figured out what varieties to use. He will know if it will grow or not. He has tested a lot and I'm sure he has tested it. The main problem is that most apples need to experience cold weather to know when to go to sleep, wake up and flower.
@@SkillCult Thanks so much for that lead. It would be incredible and perhaps lucrative to have apples grow there where the temp never goes anywhere near freezing, lowest I've seen in 11 years is 60 F.
@@takforalt I think you can do it, but only with the right varieties. You may have to mess with them a little, but Kevin Hauser has proven it can be done and knows what varieites. good luck!
@@SkillCult Thanks!
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I grafted a WP to a bud 9 a few years back because of your review. Its about 6.5’ tall. But, i have a problem….i don’t know if the graft took or if I”m seeing the rootstock growing? Was trying to figure out how to handle that. Any ideas? Its not producing yet
not sure I can help with that unless I could see it. You might just have to wait until it fruits. If you look carefully you can usually tell a difference in the barks, but not always.
@@SkillCult i knew it was a long shot but figured if anyone would know it would be you.
@@decaturridgebees8761 Sorry, I missed the bud 9 part. bud 9 has very red leaves in the spring and fall. and red bark, and red wood even! should be easy to tell.
@@SkillCult ok awesome! I’ll check
@@SkillCult well, the mystery continues. After further review, the rootstock is m26. I don’t think there’s anything distinctive about that. So, I’ll wait
Honey crisp is a good apple if picked when it is ripe. It makes the best dried apples I have ever made. They will be like potato chips and very sweet. My wife loves them and I dry bushels of them for her. You will not grow them with out bug spray . Same is true of the red delicious apple . It has to be picked when it is ripe. . Any more there is no good grocery store fruits and vegetables .Even local stuff is picked well before it is at optimum taste. Every thing is about shipping and storage. Most people never have had a good piece of fruit. Wife takes stuff I grow to work. And they say to her why is your fruit so good. She declares we pick it when it is ripe.
I will grow out honeycrisp and see if I can get the best specimen I can late enough. Apparently the crispness comes from crab genetic, Malus prunifolia. I have been working with that and I think some other apples with those genes. One of my seedlings, nick named Ice Princess might be the crispest apple I've had. I like crisp, it's fun, but it's not essential.
0:07 which death metal bands where you listening to? There is quite a lot of good bands out there lol
I'm kind of obsessive, so for months it's been this album. ruclips.net/video/TT1HsFU3XXk/видео.html Otherwise, old stuff, deicide, cannibal corpse, the newest Immolation Atonementis really cool, maybe the best ever, Oh yeah, big fan of malevolent Creation's Retribution for old school. Listen to coronation on YT off that album. Also, Disentomb the dying light is a great album, but it's super dark and heavy For months though it's been DTF and Grafvitnir Deaths Wings Widespread. Both top shelf albums. any recommendations? Most music is just uninspired copycat garbage. it's hard to find fresh new bands that aren't boring. You can find technically perfect overproduced DM all day, but I usually can't get through 30 seconds after the 2 minute intro lol.
I'm sure you already listened to older bands like Morbid Angel, Death, and Possessed like a hundred times, but if you want to venture a bit out of your comfort zone, I'd highly recommend the bands Septicflesh and Paradise Lost. They balance between very melodic and then go very hard and aggressive. Early Septicflesh is very atmospheric and early Paradise Lost goes very hard. Both of those bands' newer stuff is pretty good in my opinion, but most people prefer their older stuff from the 90s
If you prefer the tried and true old school death metal instead, Nile, Bloodbath, Vader, and Brutality all have some good stuff. I have more suggestions, but I'm drawing blanks lol
I was going to comment more of them like Carcass, Hypocrisy, Pestilence, abnormality, entombed (not my cup of tea, but people love them), but RUclips keeps removing my comments for some odd reason? If the comments blew up your notifications, I do apologise for that, RUclips keeps being real wonky
@@shadowxgaming4247 I never really took to morbid angel, or death I'm sure I've heard possessed and I think I even have some on my computer. I'll check it out. I'm thinking they were kind of technical or progy, which I don't usually go for. I like technical, but it has to be musical and not masturbatory. Most DM bands lose me either on overly technical to teh point where it doesn't serve the music, too much re re re or just too generic. The cool thing about the early days is the lack of self consciousness you get when any genera is new. Since it's still being invented, there is a lot of innovation. Autopsychosis by Katelepsy ruclips.net/video/LxY-jj7CpyE/видео.html is a good example of a modern pretty awesome band and album, but it's just a little too perfect and what I expect to hear. I like it, but it's not going to become a classic in my collection. I'll check out those others.
Has anyone tried Williams pride in NC? We have awesome heritage apple trees here. I live in an historic town and we have apple trees here that don't even have names anymore.
Graft those old trees before they die! It used to be common for there to be a lot of local seedlings that people either knew and grew, or that were just on one homestead but never got named or propagated. Most of them are gone now.Some prpbably for the best, but we've lost a lot of treasures too. There are also people out there looking for those trees to see if they are lost varieties.
I just like the golden delicious didn't like the honeycrisps but I would love to try this Williams Pride.
Good in zone 8a?
I would assume so, I think it is pretty adaptable.
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Is this apple anything like king David ? I don't like King David.
I think of both KD and WP as red apples, without any of the things I don't like about red apples. so yeah, there is some similarity. Both can have a strong "cider" like taste.
@@SkillCult I had some king david from a farmers market and It's been a while but I think I thought it didn't have enough acidity. I like Rubinette & arkansas black & others. I guess different people like the taste of different apples.
@@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy26 it has good sugar acid balance here. I think youll like it, but you have to get good samples. It's hard to beat my dry farmed ones. Super high flavor and sugar.
Store bought honeycrisp are definitely not that good. Fresh off a tree they are much sweeter and very refreshing but probably not “complex” enough to be considered very interesting. I like them though because they do t make me feel sick like other apples can.
I finally got some flowers this year, it took, many years and it looks worse than any other variety in the orchard. Hopefully I'll get to see what the fuss is about
Farmers Markets where I live just sell commercial varieties, same as in a grocery store. Colossal waste of time.
that's lame.
Lousy. A farmers market should be local only.
I'm disappointed. In a 28 minute long video, you haven't said 'Williams Pride' with a Scottish accent even once! Shame!
i think I did in another video :)
@@SkillCult Exactly. You did it there and now you have to do it every time! :D