I m Lutheran in Finland and i wanted to see the American Lutheran sermon and it is beautiful and shines God' s holy light. And greetings to all Sisters and Brothers in Christ from Finland.
Laying on the floor of my kitchen watching this with a bottle of wine at 1 AM. 36 years old, husband of a wonderful wife and father of 4 beautiful children, but riddled with stress symptoms that have wrecked my body for over 10 months now. My grandmother and mother both played organ in Lutheran churches as I grew up. As I struggle tonight to know what’s wrong with my body, I turn to this sacred and beautiful expression of God’s kingdom. Do not lose faith, hold on, don’t give up. As this pastor says, Jesus knew his death was coming and he still was caring for his friends by praying for them. May you be blessed and bolstered in your faith, whatever your life circumstance that brought you here to read this. You are one of God’s kids which means that even in the hardship of this life his intentions for you are good and there is a hope and a future. Much love to you all!
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 1000 Central USA time. Unfortunately that would 0200 in Papua New Guinea however it is always available for viewing any time after the livestream. God Bless!
I'm a Lutheran from Cape Town, South Africa. Converted back to Lutheranism in 2014 after 13 years in the charismatic movement. I couldn't be at my Lutheran fellowship this morning, but so encouraged by this video. Thank you so much!
Thank you for viewing the service and God bless you and your family. Back in the 90s when I lived in Portugal, I had three room-mates from Cape Town. We currently broadcast all our services live every Sunday morning. That would be at 1800 in Cape Town.
There is one member of the church who did the same as you. I wish you well. God bless you and thank you for viewing our service. We broadcast live every Sunday.
There are great bible studies at the moment that show Martin Luther's 95 Theses which you might find interesting. They show what Martin Luther felt was wrong with what he was experiencing at the time and why he wrote the theses. It also shows how he tried to protect the pope at the time. It talks about the response to the theses from Rome and the argument back. It is very interesting if you are interested in that history and what was going on in those days, mainly based around money unfortunately.
Lutherans generally kept much of the liturgical practices of the Roman Rite compared to other Protestants. While the Reformed/Calvinist and Anabaptist traditions wanted to start a new church from the ground up, Lutherans just wanted to reform it. From the Augsburg Confession: Falsely are our churches accused of abolishing the Mass, for the Mass is retained by us and celebrated with the highest reverence. All the usual ceremonies are also preserved, except that the parts sung in Latin are interspersed here and there with German hymns, which have been added to teach the people. For ceremonies are needed for this reason alone: that the unlearned be taught. And not only has Paul, in 1 Corinthians 14, commanded that the Church use a language understood by the people, but it has also been so ordained by human law.
Thanks for watching and thankyou for your comment. Coincidentally, Pastor Rueger's bible study today was about Anabaptist traditions along with some other things. It is named "Concerning Rebaptism 1528". God bless!
My Prayer are with you always, Keep our savior Jesus Christ and God The Father. Remember God has plan for you if wants to remain here keep you and he decide call you home he will do that too. I pray and hope that this message gets to you in good. In our father prayer and fellow follower of Christ our Savior !
I am a former United Methodist, Pentecostal, and follower of Bill Gothard who lost my faith a long time ago. Somehow, I enjoyed this service and felt moved by the confession and absolution of sin at the beginning. I don't know if I can find my way back to Christ, but thanks for the message.
Thanks for your comment. I'm just the video guy but I do know that God works in mysterious ways. The Holy Spirit uses many different methods to save those that are going to be saved. I know that I myself personally was lost for many years. and He worked through others to bring me back. God bless you for realizing this and seeing it with an open mind. That is the first step. Please watch our livestream this Sunday and see what message you get out of that. I believe it is guest pastor Johnson this week who is very good and very strong with his message.
I believe this is the correct address for Sunday but to be sure, just go to the channel and it should pop up live at 1000 Central USA/Canada ruclips.net/user/liveRwVFgYVtqAc I think Pastor Rueger is out Sunday and Pastor Johnson is filling in for him. Thank you and God bless!
I am not Lutheran but in Poland where I live, Lutheran churches are very traditional and conservative, even more than catholic ones. They and there pastors look very traditional, way different than this church/pastor and the ones in US. I highly recommend you looking up polish Lutheran service on the internet
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 10am Central time USA/Canada. I have never been to Poland however the church supported the Lutheran Church in Lithuania for many years. Pastor Rueger has also travelled extensively in Europe, Ukraine, and Russia, teaching there. I will do some research now on the Lutheran church in Poland. Thank you for that information. God Bless!
I'm just the video dude here but to answer your comment, when I travelled to Phoenix, there is a very nice LCMS church in Glendale AZ. I don't know if you live anywhere close to there or not.
I appreciate that you answered all quetions one by one and if you dont have the official answer from your pastor you still answer it from your own thoughts. May god bless you and all parishioners from St John's Lutheran Church
The one you watched is Divine Service setting 3. Most traditional LCMS churches will use settings 1 through 3 or 1 through 4. They are all similar. Probably setting 3 is a little more different than settings 1 and 2. Our services are broadcast live every Sunday and nowadays we have better equipment to show a better quality with live liturgy to follow along to. I think this helps make it easier to watch and for non-Lutherans to understand. Most ELCA churches however are less conservative, some even having contemporary services. Most LCMS members would not attend those churches however, most LCMS churches are very similar with their services which helps me (I'm the video dude) when I am traveling. Thanks for watching - God bless!
The Protestant reformation happened before Vatican II. This means this Traditional Lutheran (LCMS) Liturgy is based off of the TLM. Which is 1000x better than the Novus Ordo.
Wouldn’t you think He would keep us safe from the evil one since it was asked… hence why the apostles were guided truly by the Holy Spirit to make the true Catholic church
Thank you for viewing. We post all our services weekly. It is sometimes helpful for people if weather or sickness keep them home to be able to view a service and of course we have people from other parts of the world who view them every week. God Bless!
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS Our church kind of dose that to but we video record and the make a CD and they have a little DVD player they give to people so they can watch it. I might have to bring up the idea of putting it on RUclips. HaHa! Thanks! GOD Bless too!
If you need any help, let me know. You have to be careful of checking for copyright when posting, even church services. My name is Kenny and you can contact me thru our church's website.
Pastor answered your question this morning on the bible study. It is currently rendering and will upload in the next hour or so. Once it is online I will send you a link.
Here is a response from Pastor Rueger. While the HKBP is a member of the Lutheran World Federation, their theology seems to have developed as a union of both Calvinistic and Lutheran elements. The liturgy grows out of theology. Our congregation is Lutheran and accepts the entire Book of Concord as a right confession of the doctrine of the Bible. Because we accept all the historic confessions of Lutheranism, we try to worship in the form that Lutherans have historically followed. The Lutheran Church has traditionally followed the "Western Liturgy." It is meant to point to God's Word as holy and inerrant, Christ's saving grace as our only hope of eternal life, and to the Lord's Supper as the body and blood of Christ given for the forgiveness of our sins. God's grace and forgiveness in Jesus is the whole focus of our worship. Our liturgy is meant to show this. I do not know in what ways your liturgical tradition is different, but I am fairly sure your liturgy was shaped by the theology of the union between Calvinism and Lutheranism. Which means that certain elements that confess strongly Lutheran ideas (like the real presence of Christ's body and blood for the forgiveness of sins, or salvation by grace through faith alone) would be avoided. The shape of one's worship always says something about the core beliefs being emphasized. It might be helpful to ask your pastor or research where your liturgical practice came from, and what elements were changed from historic Lutheran practices to better confess the faith of the Union church.God Bless!
OMGGG I know it! Im also the congregation from HKBP and theyre just dont care about liturgical matter. They just fight for church political position or election and they ignore their member's faith growth. And they just care about batak cultures just like smh.
Lutheran TV - St. John LCMS brother can i ask you quetions sorry if this will be a little bit inappropriate question for you... 1. Why ELCA broke up with LCMS? 2. Is it true that LCMS is more conservative than ELCA? If yes,why? 3. Is the ELCA more episcopal than LCMS 4. Is the ELCA in full communion with LCMS considering that you practiced open communion? And can your members take the supper in LCMS and vice versa? 5. Your thoughts about the importance of the apostolic succession for the priesthood life. And does your church retains it.? I think thats enough thank you brethren may God bless you!!
I don't know if this is a LCMS thing or just a preference by the church. I have been in many other LCMS churches where there are no acolytes.. Thanks for watching the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 10am central time. God Bless!
Hello all I am eager to attend service at a Lutheran church which is located right across the street from my house but I have never been to church at all and so I am nervous to go because I do not know what to say,sing,the prayers,etc. What should I know or be prepared to do before attending my first service? I’m not baptized or anything. Again I have NEVER even been to any church period
We publish our services weekly and you can watch and listen to become familiar with the service. My personal advice would be to go to the church during the week and speak to the pastor. Hopefully he can set your mind at ease and arrange for you to take some instruction classes. I will ask our pastor though in the meantime if he has some additional comments. Thanks for watching our service.
I’m a Baptist to Catholic convert. I talked to Lutherans and studied a bit of what Lutheran theology was, but never went to a Lutheran service before I was called home to the Catholic Church, so I enjoyed this. Still very much Catholic though, lol ❤️
We are glad you took the time to watch the service. We broadcast all of our services (except tomorrow as it happens) live every week at 10am Central time. God bless and stay safe!
It's never catholic and will never be .... And unfortunately Rome have adopted the Protestant doctrine into the mass.......... The true mass is the holy sacrifice of Christ being renewed again ....which you will find it in traditional latin masses
We also have a channel that is solely hymns sung by the congregation. There are currently around 70 hymns from the Lutheran Service Book posted on there. Our objective over the next 5 years or so is to get that to around 900 so that when someone is looking for a hymn, the can reference it by number or name. Here is a link to that channel. ruclips.net/channel/UCeu1Raya_Y2N1MmamJGN9HQ
@@dee3777 - check out this version of the hymn. It is on RUclips and sung by the choir of Somerville College, Oxford ruclips.net/video/0Dy_qdLwej4/видео.html
When did anyone confess their sins? I didn’t hear any confessions. That’s why He told His apostles whenever they declare sins forgiven they are forgiven and if they declare sins retained they are retained, but they would have to hear each persons sins. Right?
At 4.02 everyone confesses their sins. Everyone sins every day not just by what they have done but by all the things they should do but have left undone. A person going to confession whether RC , Lutheran, or any denomination usually confesses things they think are really bad, but no sin is any worse than another, all sins are sins. I'm just the video guy, if you would like me to contact Pastor Rueger and ask him to comment on this, I can do that. Thanks for watching the service and God bless you!
Here is a more up-to-date service that has the liturgy attached ruclips.net/video/TOimtYX0s0A/видео.html If you advance to about 6.30 you can also see the words when they come up of the confession everyone makes. This is a different setting to the Divine Service however the wording is similar. If you are Roman Catholic you may well pick out some other similarities to the services.
I have a question. In the Creed, I heard "I believe in One, Holy, Christian and Apostolic Church". Naturally it is Christian, but shouldn't the mark be "Catholic"? Thanks in advance.
Let me ask Pastor Rueger for a correct answer on this however if my thinking is correct it would be catholic without the capital C meaning Christian and not necessarily Roman Catholic. I believe, and again I am not educated in this, Lutherans substitute Christian to avoid the confusion of some people with Roman Catholicism. I also believe in the Athanasian Creed the word catholic is used. Let me get you a proper answer though. Thanks for viewing the service and God bless!
Pastor answered your question this morning on the bible study. It is currently rendering and will upload in the next hour or so. Once it is online I will send you a link.
ruclips.net/video/NQ3fxXG57zI/видео.html Depending when you see this message, it is uploading now and may not be available for another 15 minutes or so. Thanks again for viewing the channel. God bless!
The Missouri Synod seems to have been left behind by the rest of the Lutheran Communion. Most of the issues that spawned the reformation have been corrected within the Catholic Church so why not restore communion with Rome? Many Anglicans have transferred back to Rome since the ordination of women and have been allowed to retain their liturgical traditions, unique theology, and retain their married clergy. It seems to me the Missouri Synod has more in common with the Catholic Church than the rest of the Lutheran communion so why not return and we can mutually enrich each other? I'm a Byzantine Catholic who practices the traditions of the Eastern Orthodox churches and I firmly believe in the mission of christian unity, especially in the face of Islamic expansion and post-modern influence afflicting the western world. But anyways, I love you guys, continue to keep the faith. --Love, Your estranged Catholic brother.
Thank you for your kind words and your ongoing desire for unity within the body of Christ. The Missouri Synod does indeed desire unity with all fellow Christians. To that end, we are in discussion with several different denominations seeking to establish fellowship. However, the basis for our fellowship is on agreement with the Word of God in all essential points. Where there is agreement, we recognize fellowship, commune together, and worship at each other's altars. Where there is not agreement in God's Word, we seek to discuss the issues dividing us and come to agreement by one side or the other giving up beliefs or practices that are not consistent with God's Word. Unfortunately, the theological divide between Lutheranism and Roman Catholicism is a bit wider than you state. The matter of justification by grace alone has not be resolved since the time of the Reformation, nor have issues such as: the mediation of the saints, the treasury of merits, the role of good works, or the belief in purgatory (and the practices surrounding helping the souls stuck there). Now, of course, there are other points of division that weren't present in the Reformation such as the influence of the homosexual lobby in Rome, the pope's constant mishandling of sexual abuse cases, and his recent statements with Islamic leaders suggesting Christianity and Islam worship roughly the same God. Many Lutherans, myself included, consider ourselves Catholic. Certainly not Roman Catholic, but Catholic in the sense of following the historic faith handed down by Christ to the apostles. I am not a Protestant. We are greatly saddened by the divisions within Christendom and do not take pleasure in pointing them out. We long for the day when we can be wholly reconciled to Christ and enjoy perfect harmony and sameness of mind with all the people of God in His eternal kingdom. I'm very glad to hear your words of love and your thoughts about our brotherhood in Christ. We do pray for our Christian brothers and sisters throughout the world, including those in the Eastern tradition who suffer persecution and death at the hands of Islam. Christ's peace be yours Pastor Matthew Rueger
There are also Lutherans who woeship according to the Byzantine rite, though it's a very small minority as most Lutherans have inherited the western Mass.
Let me get you an official answer from Pastor Rueger. Thank you for viewing the service. We now broadcast live every Sunday at 10am Central time USA and Canada
I sent your question to Pastor Rueger and he responded. I hope this answers your question - God Bless and thanks again for viewing our services. Thank you for the question. The epiclesis is not part of historic Lutheran theology. We teach that the bread and wine are Christ's actual body and blood through the consecration and distribution. That is, the right use of the supper it tied to both the words of Christ's institution and the reception by the people. Christ intended His supper not just to be consecrated but to be consumed. Lutherans do not fix an exact moment when the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ. We would say they are the body and blood of Christ as Christ's Word are applied to the bread and wine and it is used as Christ commanded. The elements are both bread and wine and Christ's actual body and blood. Lutherans do not follow Roman Transubstantiation. This would say that the bread and wine cease being bread and wine and become only body and blood at the moment the Priest speaks the words of consecration over them. Lutherans have taken issue with the Roman view of separating consecration from reception, as if all that matters for the supper is the priest speaking the words over the elements, which may or may not be distributed to the people. The epiclesis is used mostly in Eastern Liturgies. It is essentially a prayer to the Holy Spirit to make the bread and wine into the body and blood. It is usually prayed after the consecration. As I understand it, it is the point for the Eastern Churches when the bread and wine become body and blood. The Gospel accounts of Christ consecrating and distributing His Supper to the 12 does not contain an epiclesis. Therefore, because it is not part of Christ's use in the New Testament, and because it fixes an exact moment for the bread and wine to become the body and blood apart from the distribution, Lutherans have not embraced it. Thanks again for asking, Pastor Matt Rueger
My only issue with the service is The Nicene Creed. Why say "one Holy Christian Church" instead of "one Holy Catholic Church?" Even (some) American Baptist & Southern Baptist Churches (if they recite the creeds as they do individually occasionally) will utter the phrase "only Holy Catholic Church." Even the LCMS Lutherans are much closer to Catholicism than most Protestant Churches in the sense that "Lutheranism did not throw out the baby with the bath water."
Please also look at Pastor's reply below to The Morbid Mole as it answers a few of your questions. Also, we do use the words you mentioned in the Athanasian Creed however catholic is small c and not capital C as in Roman Catholic.
As a fellow Lutheran, my understanding is that, even though "catholic" means "universal," most Americans strongly associate the word with Roman Catholic. And because the meaning of the passage is to indicate all Christians everywhere of any denomination, "holy Christian church" or "holy [universal] church" are essentially synonymous. So it is used to avoid confusion.
As a Lutheran I confess the nicene creed as "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church..." I also find it confusing and troubling that the LCMS chose to mistranslate the creed--especially since they make such a big deal about being confessional.
Love watching the Service! THANK YOU!!! Can you please increase the font size of the hymns, etc...? Very hard to read on the t.v. Im dealing with cancer, Sjogrens Syndrome, Hypertension, RA, etc... please pray for me and my family. GOD BLESS! 🇺🇸🙏❤
If you are watching the services on the livestream every sunday, we have tried to make the font size bigger on those hymns where possible. Hopefully that will help.
God bless every body, christian or not christian. Lutheran brothers, I have a cuestion: why the lutheran church service is like the catholic roman mass? I'm a christian catholic roman mexican and is very interesting know the diference between this two liturgies. I will wait an answer. Sorry if my way to write in english is don't very well. Tanks for the patience
Wanted to watch an LCMS service to see what it is like. Unfortunately, this was the first one that came up. I would gather, at less than 6 minutes in that the pastor is having a bad day.
Melissa, I am sorry to hear you did not enjoy our service. I'm not sure if Pastor Rueger was having a bad day that Sunday or not, I never really noticed anything out of place and you are the first person to mention it. Saving people's souls is a serious business and something that is way beyond my capabilities or ways of thinking so I won't comment on that. I hope you will give us another try and watch a current Sunday service or listen to a bible study. Our video volunteers try very hard each week to make the service as high quality and easy to watch/follow along as possible by adding the liturgy and words for the hymns. We broadcast live at 10;00 Central USA and Canada every week. God bless, and thanks for watching however much you did manage to get through. Skip ahead to the sermon next time if not watching it live. Lots of people just tune in to watch that part. I'm just the video dude and not anyone in authority. Kenny
Most Lutheran churches celebrate Communion every sunday and always have, since the Augsburg Confession states that we celebrate the Holy Mass on "every Sunday and festival day". What's peculiar to me is the Lutheran churches that claim to be confessional yet don't celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday, which is in willful disregard of the confessions.
I had to go back and look there. We often have to shorten services and remove parts due to time constraints on our local TV broadcasts so I thought I may have chopped something out. Check out 3.28.. Thanks for viewing and God Bless. Kenny
Lutheran TV - St. John LCMS no prob. What I sought wasn't at 3:28. I missed the part where the sacraments are actually consecrated. It's actually at 42:42, so I found it. Thank-you brother :)
Thank you for viewing the service, I don't personally know of the songs you are referencing. Our services follow the Divine Services from the Lutheran Service Book. I should also add that we have several regular viewers from The Philippines and we very much appreciate it. God Bless!
Oh,I see,like all other Protestants like Baptists,Methodists,Pentacostals are singing that songs,but you can search the band that I mentioned,btw,I'm evenly active in our church
Thank you for viewing. Were you looking for an answer between the beliefs of the Catholic church versus the Lutheran church or just commenting on some similarities?
We plan to either live-stream or pre-record services each week to broadcast at normal church time on Sundays (10 am Central) while the restrictions for COVID 19 remain in place. This should allow people who are unable to go to church to view regular services. God Bless!
Where there are many similarities between Roman Catholicism and the LCMS, there are also many differences in the beliefs. Check out this page www.stjohnhubbard.com/our-beliefs
his facing away from the people bothers me a lot, not a lutheran but didnt Luther himself say that the Priest should face the people whenever possible as did Christ at the last supper?
Thank you for viewing the service and thank you for your comments. There are certain parts of the service where the pastor faces the altar and certain parts where he faces the congregation. I am out of town this weekend however I will email him and ask if he can better explain it for you and I will post his response. All our services are broadcast live every Sunday. I hope you get the chance to watch another one. God bless! Kenny
Pastor Rueger responded to your question.... -- The direction the pastor faces has a reason liturgically. Facing the congregation is considered a "sacramental" direction, a God-to-His-people direction. During those parts of the liturgy that represent God speaking to His people (the pastor quoting God's Word to the people) the pastor faces the congregation. When the pastor faces the altar, this is known as a "sacrificial" direction. It happens when the pastor is speaking on behalf of the people to God. The pastor represents both the people to God during the liturgy and God to the people. The direction he faces to or from the altar says which roll the pastor is fulfilling at that moment. There are some churches that have free standing altars - altars that are not up against the back wall of the sanctuary. With a free standing altar the pastor stands behind the altar to say the parts of the liturgy. From there he faces the congregation and the altar at the same time and doesn't turn his back to the congregation when he speaks for them during the liturgy. Hope that helps. -- Thanks again for viewing the service. God Bless!
Thanks again for viewing the service. Not sure where you are located but we broadcast live every week at 10am Central USA/Canada; 1600 UK, 2300 Philippines and Indonesia.
I will get an official answer from Pastor Rueger however my personal thoughts as an uneducated man, on this question would be - First Commandment - 'You Shall Have No Other Gods Before Me' so why would one pray to a woman? and then 1 Timothy 2 Vs 5 -For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Mary was a remarkable woman but not someone I would personally pray to. Just my personal thoughts and definitely not an official answer from the church. Thank you for watching our channel and God Bless!
Message from Pastor Rueger - Thanks for your interest in Lutheran theology. The short answer to your question is, "no." Lutherans only pray to God; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Prayer to us is an act of worship and as Kenny stated in his answer, the 1st commandment is explicit that we should worship only the One True God. Mary certainly deserves our respect as a godly woman and the mother of our Lord. But she is still only a human being in need of saving from sin. There is no evidence in Scripture that the souls of fellow humans can hear or answer the prayers of people like us who are left in the world. Heaven is a place without sorrow as God's Word says. If they could hear our prayers they would be exposed to our sin and would sorrow for us. Lutherans do not pray to Mary or to any saints. Only to the One True Triune God. Thanks for your question
Interesting point - here is a good article to read on the difference between ELCA and LCMS www.stjohnhubbard.com/difference-between-elca-and-lcms Of course this is written from the LCMS viewpoint. If you read an article based on ELCA beliefs it may promote different bullet points. Thanks for viewing our service Rebekka. We broadcast live each Sunday at 10am Central if you ever find you cannot get to your own church and want to listen in. It is a full service and all the liturgy is displayed on screen to follow along. God Bless!
There are very many similarities in the liturgy and service however there are also certain key differences. Thank you for viewing the channel. God bless!
I’m Catholic, your service is very similar to ours which isn’t surprising. In Catholicism, at Vatican II in the 1960s the alter was flipped to face the congregation, which I greatly prefer over seeing so much of the Pastor’s back. Nice service!
You should learn more about Ausbourg Interim history. After Lutheran reformation in 1517 and the rising of tension between Catholics and Protestants in Germany, Charles Quint who took over the empire seeked to solve this problem. He promulgated Imperial degree named Ausbourg Interim whose contents consisted of merging some Catholic traditions and practices with Lutheran protestant church. That's why Catholic pratice is very similar to Lutheran pratice.
Bill Martin I am saddened by your lack of knowledge of our religion. The Tridentine mass was the perfect way to worship our Lord. After Vatican II everything has been about ourselves. And as you noticed, so much like the protestants celebration. Not a coincidence, all very well planned. Next step, religious syncretism. One world religion. O God have mercy on us!
As a Lutheran, I personally prefer the presider facing ad orientem (ie, towards liturgical east). But I also prefer a solemn high mass with chanting, processions, full altar party, incense, etc...
@@adrianbozic1113 It's more like a mixture of both. Tridentine elements: 1) The beginning goes Confiteor → Introit → Kyrie → Gloria. The Confiteor in the video starts with Adiutorium nostrum in nomine Dómini, which is the same as in the Prayer at the Foot of the Altar. 2) Collect starts with Dominus vobiscum before Oremus. In Novus Ordo the Dominus vobiscum is deleted. 3) The Preface is resembles the Tridentine Preface for Paschaltide but not any of the three options in the Novus Ordo. 4) Pater Noster is mainly chanted by the priest alone, with the congregation answering the last sentence. 5) Separately making a sign of the Cross over the bread and another over the wine during the consecration. 6) Benediction after Deo Gratias at the end. Novus Ordo elements: 1) There are two readings before Alleluia. 2) There is general intercessions. 3) Use of vernacular and freely switching between chanting and reading. 4) Not leaning forward when saying the words of consecration, and not keeping the thumb and index finger joint after consecration. 5) Communion under both species and on the hand. 6) Post-communion starts directly with Oremus without Dominus vobiscum. P.S. The terms used here are Catholic instead of Lutheran, since I'm unfamiliar with Lutheran liturgy. Those are just my conclusions based on observation.
I respectfully disagree. We all can and should forgive the sins of others. John 20 - Vs 21 - 23. So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Message from Pastor Rueger - Besides the verse quoted by Kenny from John 20, there are also Jesus words in Matt. 18:18 "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." One could also cite the example of the prophet Nathan with David after David confessed his sin (2 Sam. 12:13). The Bible most certainly does teach that people can and should forgive the sins of others as God's mouthpiece. The pastor does not speak as an individual when he pronounces forgiveness but as God's representative fulfilling Jesus words in Matt. 19 and John 20.
Was thankful to find this...until it became a Political Forum I am saddened and disappointed that something so God-centered could so easily descend into a fox broadcast!
I am sorry to hear that you are saddened by something in the service, i assume it was something said during the sermon as the rest of the service is from the Lutheran Service Book. We do appreciate you watching. God Bless.
NotoriousLife The RC Church (sadly) made their liturgy resemble this Lutheran ‘Mass’ in the reforms of the 1960’s. The actual RC Liturgy looks like this: ruclips.net/video/c32brXXx5k8/видео.html
I m Lutheran in Finland and i wanted to see the American Lutheran sermon and it is beautiful and shines God' s holy light. And greetings to all Sisters and Brothers in Christ from Finland.
Thanks for watching. God Bless!
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Hello there
It’s a pleasure meeting with you here and hope you’re having a good time over there ?
The Lord be with you
I'm a Christian not a denomination.
How can anyone learn from a 13 minute sermon?
Laying on the floor of my kitchen watching this with a bottle of wine at 1 AM. 36 years old, husband of a wonderful wife and father of 4 beautiful children, but riddled with stress symptoms that have wrecked my body for over 10 months now. My grandmother and mother both played organ in Lutheran churches as I grew up. As I struggle tonight to know what’s wrong with my body, I turn to this sacred and beautiful expression of God’s kingdom. Do not lose faith, hold on, don’t give up. As this pastor says, Jesus knew his death was coming and he still was caring for his friends by praying for them. May you be blessed and bolstered in your faith, whatever your life circumstance that brought you here to read this. You are one of God’s kids which means that even in the hardship of this life his intentions for you are good and there is a hope and a future. Much love to you all!
I wish you well
Amen.
Bradley how are you doing now? I just saw your comment now
May God bless you, sir.
How are you doing sir?
I attend an AoG church on Long Island, NY. I’m here bc I’m craving liturgy. Thank you for posting this.
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 0900 Eastern time. God bless!
Im a Lutheran from Papua New guinea, thanks be to God for the service 🙏
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 1000 Central USA time. Unfortunately that would 0200 in Papua New Guinea however it is always available for viewing any time after the livestream. God Bless!
I'm a Lutheran from Cape Town, South Africa. Converted back to Lutheranism in 2014 after 13 years in the charismatic movement.
I couldn't be at my Lutheran fellowship this morning, but so encouraged by this video. Thank you so much!
Thank you for viewing the service and God bless you and your family. Back in the 90s when I lived in Portugal, I had three room-mates from Cape Town. We currently broadcast all our services live every Sunday morning. That would be at 1800 in Cape Town.
I'm a Lutheran from India. Nice to see the Sunday Service.
Thank you for watching the service. God Bless!
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS Does the Lutheran Church celebrate the Eucharist every week?
Our church does but that is not the case in every LCMS church. Many are one or two times per month only.
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS 3:26 as a catholic I thought Catholics and orthodox are the only ones that do the sign of the cross,Lutherans do it as well
Am a Lutheran from kenya am blessed by the service and am proud to be a member of believers. Wonderful
Thank you for watching. God Bless!
I’m currently trying to convert from Mormonism to Lutheranism and this is a gorgeous service
There is one member of the church who did the same as you. I wish you well. God bless you and thank you for viewing our service. We broadcast live every Sunday.
God be praised! I was brought to faith and was baptized in 2020 after having left Mormonism.
Am a Lutheran in Tanzania am blessed to listen to this Sunday service and am so happy to be here thank u for the word of Jesus
Nice to see a traditional lutheran liturgy
I’m from Pasadena Texas. Been a Lutheran my whole life. Went to Lutheran parochial school they 8th grade. Confirmed and baptized.
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 10am Central time USA/Canada. God Bless!
I am from Papua New Guinea and grateful that I am a member of the lutheran church. To God be the glory.
Thanks for viewing the channel and watching the service. God bless!
To God be the glory.
Im Catholic and here to see what traditions were kept and not
There are great bible studies at the moment that show Martin Luther's 95 Theses which you might find interesting. They show what Martin Luther felt was wrong with what he was experiencing at the time and why he wrote the theses. It also shows how he tried to protect the pope at the time. It talks about the response to the theses from Rome and the argument back. It is very interesting if you are interested in that history and what was going on in those days, mainly based around money unfortunately.
Lutherans generally kept much of the liturgical practices of the Roman Rite compared to other Protestants. While the Reformed/Calvinist and Anabaptist traditions wanted to start a new church from the ground up, Lutherans just wanted to reform it.
From the Augsburg Confession:
Falsely are our churches accused of abolishing the Mass, for the Mass is retained by us and celebrated with the highest reverence. All the usual ceremonies are also preserved, except that the parts sung in Latin are interspersed here and there with German hymns, which have been added to teach the people. For ceremonies are needed for this reason alone: that the unlearned be taught. And not only has Paul, in 1 Corinthians 14, commanded that the Church use a language understood by the people, but it has also been so ordained by human law.
Thanks for watching and thankyou for your comment. Coincidentally, Pastor Rueger's bible study today was about Anabaptist traditions along with some other things. It is named "Concerning Rebaptism 1528". God bless!
I am a Lutheran from South Africa. Its nice to be a Lutheran.
Thoriso p Awesomeness! Gods ✌️ peace!!
I'm a follower of Christ not following a denomination.
I’m laid up with Cancer so I don’t get out much... this was very encouraging!!! Thank you for having the words printed on the screen!!!
I am sorry to hear about your cancer. Please listen to our Bible Study from this morning. Hopefully you will get some comfort from that. God Bless!
Me too
I hope you are alright by now, I myself am a teenager who has gone through cancer. So i hope everything is well and God bless
My Prayer are with you always, Keep our savior Jesus Christ and God The Father. Remember God has plan for you if wants to remain here keep you and he decide call you home he will do that too. I pray and hope that this message gets to you in good. In our father prayer and fellow follower of Christ our Savior !
Am a Lutheran from Uganda
Thank You for the video and sermon
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every week. God bless!
I am Ethiopian Evangelica Lutheran Mekane Yesus Church from Seattle WA. LCMS❤
Thank you for viewing the service. God bless! We broadcast our services live every week.
It's weird how relevant this sermon is to me.
I teach theology and enjoyed this. Thank you.
Thank you for viewing the service. God Bless!
I am a former United Methodist, Pentecostal, and follower of Bill Gothard who lost my faith a long time ago. Somehow, I enjoyed this service and felt moved by the confession and absolution of sin at the beginning. I don't know if I can find my way back to Christ, but thanks for the message.
Thanks for your comment. I'm just the video guy but I do know that God works in mysterious ways. The Holy Spirit uses many different methods to save those that are going to be saved. I know that I myself personally was lost for many years. and He worked through others to bring me back. God bless you for realizing this and seeing it with an open mind. That is the first step. Please watch our livestream this Sunday and see what message you get out of that. I believe it is guest pastor Johnson this week who is very good and very strong with his message.
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS I appreciate your response. I look forwaard to watching Sunday.
I believe this is the correct address for Sunday but to be sure, just go to the channel and it should pop up live at 1000 Central USA/Canada
ruclips.net/user/liveRwVFgYVtqAc
I think Pastor Rueger is out Sunday and Pastor Johnson is filling in for him.
Thank you and God bless!
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS THank you again for the information.
I am not Lutheran but in Poland where I live, Lutheran churches are very traditional and conservative, even more than catholic ones. They and there pastors look very traditional, way different than this church/pastor and the ones in US. I highly recommend you looking up polish Lutheran service on the internet
Thank you for viewing the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 10am Central time USA/Canada.
I have never been to Poland however the church supported the Lutheran Church in Lithuania for many years. Pastor Rueger has also travelled extensively in Europe, Ukraine, and Russia, teaching there. I will do some research now on the Lutheran church in Poland. Thank you for that information.
God Bless!
I’m Lutheran in India ❤
Pray for unity in the church! Lutherans may well be the first to come back, and the first to leave in the protestant reformation.
I believe in one CATHOLIC and apostolic church
Beautiful service. I wish I could find a church like this near my home in AZ.
I'm just the video dude here but to answer your comment, when I travelled to Phoenix, there is a very nice LCMS church in Glendale AZ. I don't know if you live anywhere close to there or not.
Very beautiful service. God bless.
I appreciate that you answered all quetions one by one and if you dont have the official answer from your pastor you still answer it from your own thoughts. May god bless you and all parishioners from St John's Lutheran Church
Very meaningful service. I could understand every word. The lyrics are very helpful. Thank you.
Thank you for viewing - God Bless!
I did not realize how similar lutheran liturgy is to the traditional Catholic liturgy, are all lutheran liturgys like this???
The one you watched is Divine Service setting 3. Most traditional LCMS churches will use settings 1 through 3 or 1 through 4. They are all similar. Probably setting 3 is a little more different than settings 1 and 2.
Our services are broadcast live every Sunday and nowadays we have better equipment to show a better quality with live liturgy to follow along to. I think this helps make it easier to watch and for non-Lutherans to understand.
Most ELCA churches however are less conservative, some even having contemporary services. Most LCMS members would not attend those churches however, most LCMS churches are very similar with their services which helps me (I'm the video dude) when I am traveling. Thanks for watching - God bless!
The Protestant reformation happened before Vatican II. This means this Traditional Lutheran (LCMS) Liturgy is based off of the TLM. Which is 1000x better than the Novus Ordo.
(KJV) Matthew 26:28, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 41, 4:12, 8:12, 16, 10:47-48, 19:2-5, 1st Peter 3:20-21, John 1:1, 14, 3:3-7, 10:30, 14:9, Isaiah 9:6, Matthew 3:11, Acts 20:28, 1st John 5:7, Colossians 2:9, 3:17, Acts 22:16.
I'm Lutheran from. PHILIPPINES LIVE HERE IN Abudhabi
Thank you for viewing. Our services are broadcast live every week at 8pm (2000) Abu Dhabi time or 11pm (2300) Philippines time. God Bless!
Wouldn’t you think He would keep us safe from the evil one since it was asked… hence why the apostles were guided truly by the Holy Spirit to make the true Catholic church
I'm just the video dude so am not educated well enough to answer your question. I can pass it on to Pastor Rueger though.
Cool Love seeing other churches like mine. I go to St. Johns Lutheran Church in Newhall Ia
Thank you for viewing. We post all our services weekly. It is sometimes helpful for people if weather or sickness keep them home to be able to view a service and of course we have people from other parts of the world who view them every week. God Bless!
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS Our church kind of dose that to but we video record and the make a CD and they have a little DVD player they give to people so they can watch it. I might have to bring up the idea of putting it on RUclips. HaHa! Thanks! GOD Bless too!
If you need any help, let me know. You have to be careful of checking for copyright when posting, even church services. My name is Kenny and you can contact me thru our church's website.
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS Sounds good! Thank You!
May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you all
This gentlemen is a wonderful preacher of the gospel
Thanks for watching. God Bless!
Im from indiya pres the lord jisus
At 4:48, he said I forgive you all your sins. Is that for everyone at the service or also people watching at home?
Pastor answered your question this morning on the bible study. It is currently rendering and will upload in the next hour or so. Once it is online I will send you a link.
THANKS! AMEN 🙏🏻 ✝️
i'm from the Batak Protestant Lutheran Church. Why the liturgy is a little bit different? I want the HKBP to be like this.
Im confused too why hkpb doesnt follow this kind of liturgy.
Here is a response from Pastor Rueger.
While the HKBP is a member of the Lutheran World Federation, their theology seems to have
developed as a union of both Calvinistic and Lutheran elements. The
liturgy grows out of theology. Our congregation is Lutheran and accepts
the entire Book of Concord as a right confession of the doctrine of the
Bible. Because we accept all the historic confessions of Lutheranism, we
try to worship in the form that Lutherans have historically followed. The
Lutheran Church has traditionally followed the "Western Liturgy."
It is meant to point to God's Word as holy and inerrant, Christ's saving
grace as our only hope of eternal life, and to the Lord's Supper as the body
and blood of Christ given for the forgiveness of our sins. God's grace
and forgiveness in Jesus is the whole focus of our worship. Our liturgy
is meant to show this. I do not know in what ways your liturgical tradition is
different, but I am fairly sure your liturgy was shaped by the theology of the
union between Calvinism and Lutheranism. Which means that certain
elements that confess strongly Lutheran ideas (like the real presence of Christ's
body and blood for the forgiveness of sins, or salvation by grace through faith
alone) would be avoided. The shape of one's worship always says something
about the core beliefs being emphasized. It might be helpful to ask your
pastor or research where your liturgical practice came from, and what elements
were changed from historic Lutheran practices to better confess the faith of
the Union church.God Bless!
OMGGG I know it! Im also the congregation from HKBP and theyre just dont care about liturgical matter. They just fight for church political position or election and they ignore their member's faith growth. And they just care about batak cultures just like smh.
Lutheran TV - St. John LCMS brother can i ask you quetions sorry if this will be a little bit inappropriate question for you...
1. Why ELCA broke up with LCMS?
2. Is it true that LCMS is more conservative than ELCA? If yes,why?
3. Is the ELCA more episcopal than LCMS
4. Is the ELCA in full communion with LCMS considering that you practiced open communion? And can your members take the supper in LCMS and vice versa?
5. Your thoughts about the importance of the apostolic succession for the priesthood life. And does your church retains it.?
I think thats enough thank you brethren may God bless you!!
I passed your questions on to Pastor Rueger
thank you and God Bless you.
Wisconsin synod has no candles no alter boys lighting them.
I don't know if this is a LCMS thing or just a preference by the church. I have been in many other LCMS churches where there are no acolytes.. Thanks for watching the service. We broadcast live every Sunday at 10am central time.
God Bless!
Hello there
It’s a pleasure meeting with you here and hope you’re having a good time over there ?
Altar, not alter!
Hello all I am eager to attend service at a Lutheran church which is located right across the street from my house but I have never been to church at all and so I am nervous to go because I do not know what to say,sing,the prayers,etc. What should I know or be prepared to do before attending my first service? I’m not baptized or anything. Again I have NEVER even been to any church period
We publish our services weekly and you can watch and listen to become familiar with the service. My personal advice would be to go to the church during the week and speak to the pastor. Hopefully he can set your mind at ease and arrange for you to take some instruction classes. I will ask our pastor though in the meantime if he has some additional comments. Thanks for watching our service.
Thanks for viewing our service and commenting. God Bless!
Kinda similar to our Catholic Mass. Still Different
I’m a Baptist to Catholic convert. I talked to Lutherans and studied a bit of what Lutheran theology was, but never went to a Lutheran service before I was called home to the Catholic Church, so I enjoyed this. Still very much Catholic though, lol ❤️
We are glad you took the time to watch the service. We broadcast all of our services (except tomorrow as it happens) live every week at 10am Central time. God bless and stay safe!
Hello there
It’s a pleasure meeting with you here and hope you’re having a good time over there ?
It's never catholic and will never be .... And unfortunately Rome have adopted the Protestant doctrine into the mass.......... The true mass is the holy sacrifice of Christ being renewed again ....which you will find it in traditional latin masses
Check traditional latin mass
Would be good to see many other services at various churches, maintain rotation.
Beautiful service. What's the hymn played at 44:20 seconds called? The music and lyrics are wonderful
The name of the hymn is "Let all mortal flesh keep silence". Here is a link to the lyrics hymnary.org/hymn/LSB2006/621
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS
Thank you!
We also have a channel that is solely hymns sung by the congregation. There are currently around 70 hymns from the Lutheran Service Book posted on there. Our objective over the next 5 years or so is to get that to around 900 so that when someone is looking for a hymn, the can reference it by number or name. Here is a link to that channel.
ruclips.net/channel/UCeu1Raya_Y2N1MmamJGN9HQ
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS amazing! Thanks so much!
@@dee3777 - check out this version of the hymn. It is on RUclips and sung by the choir of Somerville College, Oxford
ruclips.net/video/0Dy_qdLwej4/видео.html
When did anyone confess their sins? I didn’t hear any confessions. That’s why He told His apostles whenever they declare sins forgiven they are forgiven and if they declare sins retained they are retained, but they would have to hear each persons sins. Right?
At 4.02 everyone confesses their sins. Everyone sins every day not just by what they have done but by all the things they should do but have left undone. A person going to confession whether RC , Lutheran, or any denomination usually confesses things they think are really bad, but no sin is any worse than another, all sins are sins.
I'm just the video guy, if you would like me to contact Pastor Rueger and ask him to comment on this, I can do that.
Thanks for watching the service and God bless you!
Here is a more up-to-date service that has the liturgy attached ruclips.net/video/TOimtYX0s0A/видео.html
If you advance to about 6.30 you can also see the words when they come up of the confession everyone makes. This is a different setting to the Divine Service however the wording is similar. If you are Roman Catholic you may well pick out some other similarities to the services.
My dad used to go to Lutheran church in Tennessee, but we both grew up Catholic. To us, it's pretty much the same thing.
The services may look similar but there are some definite differences in the beliefs.
Come to the truth of the Catholic church. If it isnt that different, why not stay in-line with what Jesus gave us
I have a question. In the Creed, I heard "I believe in One, Holy, Christian and Apostolic Church". Naturally it is Christian, but shouldn't the mark be "Catholic"? Thanks in advance.
Let me ask Pastor Rueger for a correct answer on this however if my thinking is correct it would be catholic without the capital C meaning Christian and not necessarily Roman Catholic. I believe, and again I am not educated in this, Lutherans substitute Christian to avoid the confusion of some people with Roman Catholicism. I also believe in the Athanasian Creed the word catholic is used. Let me get you a proper answer though.
Thanks for viewing the service and God bless!
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMSThat sounds great. Thank you so much and God bless 😊
Pastor answered your question this morning on the bible study. It is currently rendering and will upload in the next hour or so. Once it is online I will send you a link.
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS Thank you very much. I'll be sure to check it out once it is up. May you have a blessed Sunday!
ruclips.net/video/NQ3fxXG57zI/видео.html
Depending when you see this message, it is uploading now and may not be available for another 15 minutes or so.
Thanks again for viewing the channel. God bless!
Interesting that the readings are done by the priest
Some churches vary in what they do. In most LCMS churches the readings are always by the pastor
The Missouri Synod seems to have been left behind by the rest of the Lutheran Communion. Most of the issues that spawned the reformation have been corrected within the Catholic Church so why not restore communion with Rome? Many Anglicans have transferred back to Rome since the ordination of women and have been allowed to retain their liturgical traditions, unique theology, and retain their married clergy. It seems to me the Missouri Synod has more in common with the Catholic Church than the rest of the Lutheran communion so why not return and we can mutually enrich each other? I'm a Byzantine Catholic who practices the traditions of the Eastern Orthodox churches and I firmly believe in the mission of christian unity, especially in the face of Islamic expansion and post-modern influence afflicting the western world.
But anyways, I love you guys, continue to keep the faith.
--Love, Your estranged Catholic brother.
I forwarded your message to Pastor Rueger and here is his reply - God Bless and thanks for viewing our channel.
Thank you for your kind words and your ongoing desire for unity within the body of
Christ. The Missouri Synod does indeed desire unity with all fellow
Christians. To that end, we are in discussion with several different
denominations seeking to establish fellowship. However, the basis for our
fellowship is on agreement with the Word of God in all essential points.
Where there is agreement, we recognize fellowship, commune together, and
worship at each other's altars. Where there is not agreement in God's
Word, we seek to discuss the issues dividing us and come to agreement by one
side or the other giving up beliefs or practices that are not consistent with
God's Word. Unfortunately, the theological divide between Lutheranism
and Roman Catholicism is a bit wider than you state. The matter of
justification by grace alone has not be resolved since the time of the
Reformation, nor have issues such as: the mediation of the saints, the treasury
of merits, the role of good works, or the belief in purgatory (and the
practices surrounding helping the souls stuck there). Now, of course,
there are other points of division that weren't present in the Reformation such
as the influence of the homosexual lobby in Rome, the pope's constant
mishandling of sexual abuse cases, and his recent statements with Islamic
leaders suggesting Christianity and Islam worship roughly the same God.
Many Lutherans, myself included, consider ourselves Catholic. Certainly not
Roman Catholic, but Catholic in the sense of following the historic faith
handed down by Christ to the apostles. I am not a Protestant. We are
greatly saddened by the divisions within Christendom and do not take pleasure
in pointing them out. We long for the day when we can be wholly
reconciled to Christ and enjoy perfect harmony and sameness of mind with all
the people of God in His eternal kingdom.
I'm very glad to hear your words of love and your thoughts about our brotherhood in
Christ. We do pray for our Christian brothers and sisters throughout the
world, including those in the Eastern tradition who suffer persecution and
death at the hands of Islam.
Christ's peace be yours
Pastor Matthew Rueger
Lutheran TV - St. John LCMS ...I’m Catholic, and my response is AMEN!!!!
Thanks for watching Bill. Christ's peace be yours!
There are also Lutherans who woeship according to the Byzantine rite, though it's a very small minority as most Lutherans have inherited the western Mass.
hi! Im wondering if an epiclesis is required for valid consecration/communion?
Let me get you an official answer from Pastor Rueger. Thank you for viewing the service. We now broadcast live every Sunday at 10am Central time USA and Canada
I sent your question to Pastor Rueger and he responded. I hope this answers your question - God Bless and thanks again for viewing our services.
Thank you for the question. The epiclesis is not part of historic Lutheran theology. We teach that the bread and wine are Christ's actual body and blood through the consecration and distribution. That is, the right use of the supper it tied to both the words of Christ's institution and the reception by the people. Christ intended His supper not just to be consecrated but to be consumed. Lutherans do not fix an exact moment when the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ. We would say they are the body and blood of Christ as Christ's Word are applied to the bread and wine and it is used as Christ commanded. The elements are both bread and wine and Christ's actual body and blood. Lutherans do not follow Roman Transubstantiation. This would say that the bread and wine cease being bread and wine and become only body and blood at the moment the Priest speaks the words of consecration over them. Lutherans have taken issue with the Roman view of separating consecration from reception, as if all that matters for the supper is the priest speaking the words over the elements, which may or may not be distributed to the people.
The epiclesis is used mostly in Eastern Liturgies. It is essentially a prayer to the Holy Spirit to make the bread and wine into the body and blood. It is usually prayed after the consecration. As I understand it, it is the point for the Eastern Churches when the bread and wine become body and blood.
The Gospel accounts of Christ consecrating and distributing His Supper to the 12 does not contain an epiclesis. Therefore, because it is not part of Christ's use in the New Testament, and because it fixes an exact moment for the bread and wine to become the body and blood apart from the distribution, Lutherans have not embraced it.
Thanks again for asking,
Pastor Matt Rueger
its weird seeing this as catholic and its very similar....
Thank you for viewing. God Bless!
Have you ever assisted a traditional Latin Mass?
My only issue with the service is The Nicene Creed. Why say "one Holy Christian Church" instead of "one Holy Catholic Church?" Even (some) American Baptist & Southern Baptist Churches (if they recite the creeds as they do individually occasionally) will utter the phrase "only Holy Catholic Church." Even the LCMS Lutherans are much closer to Catholicism than most Protestant Churches in the sense that "Lutheranism did not throw out the baby with the bath water."
I forwarded your message to Pastor Rueger and am awaiting his reply. God Bless, and thanks for viewing our channel.
Please also look at Pastor's reply below to The Morbid Mole as it answers a few of your questions. Also, we do use the words you mentioned in the Athanasian Creed however catholic is small c and not capital C as in Roman Catholic.
As a fellow Lutheran, my understanding is that, even though "catholic" means "universal," most Americans strongly associate the word with Roman Catholic. And because the meaning of the passage is to indicate all Christians everywhere of any denomination, "holy Christian church" or "holy [universal] church" are essentially synonymous. So it is used to avoid confusion.
As a Lutheran I confess the nicene creed as "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church..." I also find it confusing and troubling that the LCMS chose to mistranslate the creed--especially since they make such a big deal about being confessional.
Very different from my church.
Love watching the Service! THANK YOU!!! Can you please increase the font size of the hymns, etc...? Very hard to read on the t.v. Im dealing with cancer, Sjogrens Syndrome, Hypertension, RA, etc... please pray for me and my family. GOD BLESS! 🇺🇸🙏❤
Dave, thanks for watching. Hopefully this gives you some comfort during your troubled times. We will pray for you.
If you are watching the services on the livestream every sunday, we have tried to make the font size bigger on those hymns where possible. Hopefully that will help.
hello everyone.. God bless
Great to hear from you. Hope that you are well!
God bless every body, christian or not christian. Lutheran brothers, I have a cuestion: why the lutheran church service is like the catholic roman mass?
I'm a christian catholic roman mexican and is very interesting know the diference between this two liturgies. I will wait an answer. Sorry if my way to write in english is don't very well. Tanks for the patience
@Samuel Martins oh!!! Eso lo explica. De acuerdo, mucas gracias!! Dios lo bendiga
The Lutheran church is the Catholic church purified by the Gospel.
Wanted to watch an LCMS service to see what it is like. Unfortunately, this was the first one that came up. I would gather, at less than 6 minutes in that the pastor is having a bad day.
Melissa, I am sorry to hear you did not enjoy our service. I'm not sure if Pastor Rueger was having a bad day that Sunday or not, I never really noticed anything out of place and you are the first person to mention it.
Saving people's souls is a serious business and something that is way beyond my capabilities or ways of thinking so I won't comment on that.
I hope you will give us another try and watch a current Sunday service or listen to a bible study. Our video volunteers try very hard each week to make the service as high quality and easy to watch/follow along as possible by adding the liturgy and words for the hymns. We broadcast live at 10;00 Central USA and Canada every week.
God bless, and thanks for watching however much you did manage to get through. Skip ahead to the sermon next time if not watching it live. Lots of people just tune in to watch that part.
I'm just the video dude and not anyone in authority.
Kenny
Lutheran TV-St. John LCMS
Does the Lutheran Church celebrate the Eucharist every week?
Thank you
I think that it varies by church however this church does. Thanks for viewing the service. God Bless!
Most Lutheran churches celebrate Communion every sunday and always have, since the Augsburg Confession states that we celebrate the Holy Mass on "every Sunday and festival day". What's peculiar to me is the Lutheran churches that claim to be confessional yet don't celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday, which is in willful disregard of the confessions.
Beautiful service, but...when did invocation happen? Did I miss it?
I had to go back and look there. We often have to shorten services and remove parts due to time constraints on our local TV broadcasts so I thought I may have chopped something out. Check out 3.28.. Thanks for viewing and God Bless. Kenny
Lutheran TV - St. John LCMS no prob. What I sought wasn't at 3:28. I missed the part where the sacraments are actually consecrated.
It's actually at 42:42, so I found it. Thank-you brother :)
Thanks again for watching. God Bless!
I'm a Philippine Methodist,are you singing a Christian songs like Hillsong,Planetshakers,Citipointe or any other Christian Band?
Thank you for viewing the service, I don't personally know of the songs you are referencing. Our services follow the Divine Services from the Lutheran Service Book. I should also add that we have several regular viewers from The Philippines and we very much appreciate it. God Bless!
Oh,I see,like all other Protestants like Baptists,Methodists,Pentacostals are singing that songs,but you can search the band that I mentioned,btw,I'm evenly active in our church
Amen
Lutheran church v.s. catholic establishment...?
Thank you for viewing. Were you looking for an answer between the beliefs of the Catholic church versus the Lutheran church or just commenting on some similarities?
Wow. This looks better than some Novus Ordo Catholic churches
Luther got it right!!
We plan to either live-stream or pre-record services each week to broadcast at normal church time on Sundays (10 am Central) while the restrictions for COVID 19 remain in place. This should allow people who are unable to go to church to view regular services. God Bless!
Now there's no difference between Catholics and Lutheran Church 😍 all roads lead to ROME 😂
Where there are many similarities between Roman Catholicism and the LCMS, there are also many differences in the beliefs. Check out this page www.stjohnhubbard.com/our-beliefs
his facing away from the people bothers me a lot, not a lutheran but didnt Luther himself say that the Priest should face the people whenever possible as did Christ at the last supper?
Thank you for viewing the service and thank you for your comments. There are certain parts of the service where the pastor faces the altar and certain parts where he faces the congregation. I am out of town this weekend however I will email him and ask if he can better explain it for you and I will post his response.
All our services are broadcast live every Sunday. I hope you get the chance to watch another one.
God bless! Kenny
Pastor Rueger responded to your question....
-- The direction the pastor faces has a reason liturgically. Facing the congregation is considered a "sacramental" direction, a God-to-His-people direction. During those parts of the liturgy that represent God speaking to His people (the pastor quoting God's Word to the people) the pastor faces the congregation.
When the pastor faces the altar, this is known as a "sacrificial" direction. It happens when the pastor is speaking on behalf of the people to God. The pastor represents both the people to God during the liturgy and God to the people. The direction he faces to or from the altar says which roll the pastor is fulfilling at that moment.
There are some churches that have free standing altars - altars that are not up against the back wall of the sanctuary. With a free standing altar the pastor stands behind the altar to say the parts of the liturgy. From there he faces the congregation and the altar at the same time and doesn't turn his back to the congregation when he speaks for them during the liturgy.
Hope that helps. --
Thanks again for viewing the service. God Bless!
@@LutheranTVStJohnLCMS hey thanks for the answers, especially from the pastor himself, much appreciated and God bless you as well.
Thanks again for viewing the service. Not sure where you are located but we broadcast live every week at 10am Central USA/Canada; 1600 UK, 2300 Philippines and Indonesia.
I have a question. Lutherans pray to the Virgin Mary?
I will get an official answer from Pastor Rueger however my personal thoughts as an uneducated man, on this question would be - First Commandment - 'You Shall Have No Other Gods Before Me' so why would one pray to a woman? and then 1 Timothy 2 Vs 5 -For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Mary was a remarkable woman but not someone I would personally pray to. Just my personal thoughts and definitely not an official answer from the church. Thank you for watching our channel and God Bless!
Message from Pastor Rueger - Thanks for your interest in Lutheran theology. The short answer to your question is, "no." Lutherans only pray to God; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Prayer to us is an act of worship and as Kenny stated in his answer, the 1st commandment is explicit that we should worship only the One True God. Mary certainly deserves our respect as a godly woman and the mother of our Lord. But she is still only a human being in need of saving from sin. There is no evidence in Scripture that the souls of fellow humans can hear or answer the prayers of people like us who are left in the world. Heaven is a place without sorrow as God's Word says. If they could hear our prayers they would be exposed to our sin and would sorrow for us. Lutherans do not pray to Mary or to any saints. Only to the One True Triune God. Thanks for your question
Thank you very much
@@nikosmedis9440 but you can ask other holy peoples to pray for you? Prayers answered 🙏😇
No. Mary is not a God nor part of the Trinity. She should not be prayed to.
This sermon is not the ELCA way of life I grew up in.
Interesting point - here is a good article to read on the difference between ELCA and LCMS
www.stjohnhubbard.com/difference-between-elca-and-lcms
Of course this is written from the LCMS viewpoint. If you read an article based on ELCA beliefs it may promote different bullet points. Thanks for viewing our service Rebekka. We broadcast live each Sunday at 10am Central if you ever find you cannot get to your own church and want to listen in. It is a full service and all the liturgy is displayed on screen to follow along. God Bless!
very similar to Catholicism
There are very many similarities in the liturgy and service however there are also certain key differences. Thank you for viewing the channel. God bless!
I’m Catholic, your service is very similar to ours which isn’t surprising. In Catholicism, at Vatican II in the 1960s the alter was flipped to face the congregation, which I greatly prefer over seeing so much of the Pastor’s back. Nice service!
Thanks Bill, I will pass on your comments to Pastor Rueger. He just had knee surgery so last week's service was definitely a bit different. God Bless!
You should learn more about Ausbourg Interim history. After Lutheran reformation in 1517 and the rising of tension between Catholics and Protestants in Germany, Charles Quint who took over the empire seeked to solve this problem. He promulgated Imperial degree named Ausbourg Interim whose contents consisted of merging some Catholic traditions and practices with Lutheran protestant church. That's why Catholic pratice is very similar to Lutheran pratice.
Bill Martin I am saddened by your lack of knowledge of our religion. The Tridentine mass was the perfect way to worship our Lord. After Vatican II everything has been about ourselves. And as you noticed, so much like the protestants celebration. Not a coincidence, all very well planned. Next step, religious syncretism. One world religion. O God have mercy on us!
As a Lutheran, I personally prefer the presider facing ad orientem (ie, towards liturgical east). But I also prefer a solemn high mass with chanting, processions, full altar party, incense, etc...
Altar, not alter!
How so very pre-Vatican II Catholic-like (minus the Latin)....Different strokes for different folks.....!
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Actually, much more similar to conservative Novus Ordo Mass ad Orientem...
@@adrianbozic1113 It's more like a mixture of both.
Tridentine elements:
1) The beginning goes Confiteor → Introit → Kyrie → Gloria. The Confiteor in the video starts with Adiutorium nostrum in nomine Dómini, which is the same as in the Prayer at the Foot of the Altar.
2) Collect starts with Dominus vobiscum before Oremus. In Novus Ordo the Dominus vobiscum is deleted.
3) The Preface is resembles the Tridentine Preface for Paschaltide but not any of the three options in the Novus Ordo.
4) Pater Noster is mainly chanted by the priest alone, with the congregation answering the last sentence.
5) Separately making a sign of the Cross over the bread and another over the wine during the consecration.
6) Benediction after Deo Gratias at the end.
Novus Ordo elements:
1) There are two readings before Alleluia.
2) There is general intercessions.
3) Use of vernacular and freely switching between chanting and reading.
4) Not leaning forward when saying the words of consecration, and not keeping the thumb and index finger joint after consecration.
5) Communion under both species and on the hand.
6) Post-communion starts directly with Oremus without Dominus vobiscum.
P.S. The terms used here are Catholic instead of Lutheran, since I'm unfamiliar with Lutheran liturgy. Those are just my conclusions based on observation.
I love the Spirit of reformation. From born again Christian in the Philippines.
Thank you for viewing. We are now showing our services live every week at 2300 Philippines time.
Very similar to catholic mass
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Looks a lot like Catholic.
muito lindo!!!!!
Obrigado.
only God can forgive sins
I respectfully disagree. We all can and should forgive the sins of others. John 20 - Vs 21 - 23.
So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Lutheran TV - St. John LCMS sins are forgiven through prayer in my opinion
Message from Pastor Rueger -
Besides the
verse quoted by Kenny from John 20, there are also Jesus words in Matt. 18:18
"whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you
loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." One could also cite the
example of the prophet Nathan with David after David confessed his sin (2 Sam.
12:13). The Bible most certainly does teach that people can and should
forgive the sins of others as God's mouthpiece. The pastor does not speak
as an individual when he pronounces forgiveness but as God's representative
fulfilling Jesus words in Matt. 19 and John 20.
Was thankful to find this...until it became a Political Forum I am saddened and disappointed that something so God-centered could so easily descend into a fox broadcast!
I am sorry to hear that you are saddened by something in the service, i assume it was something said during the sermon as the rest of the service is from the Lutheran Service Book. We do appreciate you watching. God Bless.
Looks very roman chatholic
NotoriousLife The RC Church (sadly) made their liturgy resemble this Lutheran ‘Mass’ in the reforms of the 1960’s.
The actual RC Liturgy looks like this: ruclips.net/video/c32brXXx5k8/видео.html
The Altar much like orthodox. In Catholic the priest facing audian