I just recommended this video over on my RUclips channel to my viewers and subscribers as one of the best recovery only how to video that I have ever found. Taking in live questions and answering is one of the best things you can do because there’s so many technicians who do not understand the physics of gas phase and charging and recovering procedures. The lack of training and education in our public school system and college trade school systems need back up resources like this for the students to better understand the industry and its equipment tools practices and procedures.
@@amaturetechnician8405 you notice In automotive we just have the big dumb machine box (RRR) were you just hook up to hoses press buttons and it does everything for you. Technicians never learn or understand what is happening inside the machine. In residential and commercial HVAC you have nothing more than a pump and you are responsible for hooking it up correctly every time and turning it off and on. In HVAC you are responsible for your safety and measuring the weight of the tank to assure you do not overfill it and cause a hydrostatic problem in the confines of the metal cylinder. In automotive they put a float switch connected to an automatic machine in automotive technician never has to think about safety. In automotive everything is done automatically magically in the big box without having a technician who is really skilled or knowledgeable about anything. In residential and commercial HVAC when your tool breaks and fix it. In the automotive when the tool breaks like the refrigerant recovery recycle and recharge machine (RRR) The automotive mechanic is helpless. Call the Robinair company to come out and fix their tool.
Hey boss im your new subscriber from Philippines.I'm also a technician here in our Country I've live.. Thanks for wonderful informative training for on how to recovery refrigerant.
Excellent Video! Eric, i will see you @ ESCO Conference next week. Is it possible to get the slides for this video from you on a memory stick or be able to transfer? Reason I'm asking is that the positioning of the inverted recovery cylinder obscures the right side of your projection screen, blocking the visuals 😢. Thanks, Brian
Would have been nice to have a parts list and possibly where they could be bought for those of us now joining the field and trying to expand our equipment.
Hi Deane, thanks for the input. Those are good recommendations! If you'd like a better training experience feel free to sign up for any of our on-demand training's to experience full graphic slides, test questions, and more. jacksonsystems.com/trainings/
Excellent video. A question please. At 9:43 you say one of the challenges is knowing what refrigerant is in the system, despite what it says on the rating plate. When calculating the fill, what refrigerant multiplier should be used before using the 80% or 60% multiplier if you’re not sure what is in the system? Dave.
For observing liquid going into the tank (to know when you have pulled all of the liquid out and only vapor left), can you have an inline site glass added to the hose close to the tank?
How far can I go if recovery is made on the high side with AC running? Will it drain the system's oil altogether? That is in the absence of a recovery machine. I supposed as far as the clutch is engaged for it will automatically quit once the refrigerant pressure has reached a certain level.
I am top heavy on Appion digital gauges. hoses. access tools. cant say I've seen any better. Them and my SMAN DIGITALS BY FIELDPIECE are my go to choices. Both are just elegantly rich in user features that make the recovery, charging and troubleshooting process actually easy and enjoyable. These mfgrs are innovators and in my almost half century in business I have seen no equals.
Eric, At the 48 minute ticker on video. You explain about hooking up the hose to the recovery tank while it still has a small purge. Is the valve on the tank open or closed when the hose is being hooked up?
I'm 52 minutes into this and I am so frustrated because no one's even thinking of asking this question. What is the purpose of the dip tube on the high side of the recovery tank??? If we're using the vapor side for vapor and liquid by flipping the tank then when do we use the high side? How come nobody has thought to ask this question? Seriously, it was actually that easy for me to ask it.
The dip tube is there so that you can draw liquid refrigerant from the tank when it is upright, otherwise you have to flip the the tank and connect to the vapor port.
Do u have to turn cylinder upside down when there is both a liquid side and vapour side. Just have the cylinder as normal. Liquid pipe inside goes to the bottom. And vapour pipe inside goes to the top
Should the tank be flipped back up if going from liquid to vapour, I've heard another source say if the gas vapour has to travel up through the liquid it can heat up the tank?
Very curious! are we certified after watching 1 hour 32 mins 27 seconds worth??? Or do i need to watch part 2 ? of the refrigerant handling??? and everything about the freon gas.??
Hi Elvis, Thanks for your interest in our training content. This event does qualify for 2 credits of NATE CEU's. This training is for continuing education only. Unfortunately, it is not part of a certification course. To get your CEU's, go to the OnDemand link in the description to enter our training portal. You can download a certificate once you have completed the requirements. Let us know if you need any further assistance.
@@Automotive_Solutions for Automotive there are small refrigerant recycling units about the size of a briefcase. They contain oil separator to separate the oil out of the refrigerant stream that is entering. They have either south contain screw in internal filters that you can get for high moisture capacity removal or acid removal depending on what is desired. You can even modify and add different filters on the suction side to do a little bit of pre-filtering and even add extra moisture indicators on your entering refrigerant and leaving refrigerant so you know the before and after affect. Moisture indicators with sightglass before and after filters sometimes even in the middle is something that I have always done since the very first day of introduction of refrigerant recovery and recycling equipment back in 1992. I was taught by my dad when I was young and have always recycled R 12 , R 22 , R 134 , and all single molecule refrigerant. And this is where your refrigerant identifier comes into play as a sure means to confirm you’re recovered and recycle refrigerant is 100% pure refrigerant with no mixed components inside of it. That your refrigerant is 100% air free. Your refrigerant is moisture free. Maybe I’ll do a short video of some very suitcase sized refrigerant recycling equipment that I purchased way back in 1992 I believe I still have one up in storage that I haven’t touched in about two decades. I think I can break that out of storage if it’s still working and maybe even do some simple modifications to show guys who have limited budgets on how to modify them for cleaning the refrigerant a little better and visual vacation that the moisture was actually removed very easy and fast to see. The only expense in our industry a refrigerant analyzer is a must as you may have seen some of the videos I have released on how much contaminated refrigerant I get and you cannot believe how many wrong parts were replaced from other shops and all the time they were fighting their own contaminated refrigerant they were putting back into the systems.
So would it be fair to say that when pulling a vacuum on a recovery tank that turning the tank upside down and pulling a vacuum on the vapor line would be faster method than upright?? Thanks
Pulling vacuum on a recovery tank does not change if its upside down or upright. It only changes if you uses a bigger vacuum pump or bigger vacuum lines.
I just ordered a recovery tank and it has a float switch. Plus, it's not under vacuum. Rather, it's pressurized with nitrogen (just FYI what is/isn't common in the industry)
Hello, thanks for your interest. You can access the full training course with the link below and download the slide deck directly. event.on24.com/eventRegistration/console/EventConsoleApollo.jsp?uimode=nextgeneration&eventid=2219092&sessionid=1&key=612DFA16C24CDC7E70BB863DF9DA80DC&contenttype=A&eventuserid=305999&playerwidth=1000&playerheight=650&caller=previewLobby&text_language_id=en&format=fhvideo1&newConsole=true&newTabCon=true
Couldn't you double check the tare weight after you pull a vacuum on a recovery tank to check and see if it weighs more to know if there are contamination in it? Wouldn't it weigh more than the stamped Tare weight?
The procedure at the 48 minute mark I don't like. This is not the way to "minimal refrigerant loss". The method I learned requires that you keep one hose at your recovery tank. In that way you only have to purge a tiny amount between the recovery unit and the valve on the hose (valve side of the hose closest to the recovery unit).
I watched this video because I seen the screen shot with the G5. I love this unit however the instructions that came with is stated follow the service instructions. They were not helpful! The instructions lacked the end user service info you have provided for this product. I recomend that is corrected if it hasn't already..
Great video and very informative, but your recovery tank was blocking the camera view of the right side of your video monitor so we could not see all of the graphics you're showing on the monitor. :-(
Hi Scott, glad you enjoyed the training. For a better look at all the graphics in this presentation, you can sign up for the on-demand version of the training with this link. jacksonsystems.com/training/refrigerant-recovery-techniques/
As a 2nd year guy I would suggest breaking these videos down into segments. Too much info at once. Lots of maintenance techs who service ACs are watching these vids and just need to know how to recover, repair the lines if they can, then return old or use new refrigerant. I personally have field trained on cutting a condenser loose. Setting a new one. Pressurizing with Nitrogen, etc. I was just looking for removing the remaining R from the line set and evaporator or entire system if I was going to braze in a new condenser. Will return later to view entire video.
I still don't get the concept of flipping the tank when connected to the vapor port. If the tank is upright and you are recovering LIQUID isn't it falling to the bottom of the tank? If recovering LIQUID in the upside down position, then aren't you pushing against the liquid that is sitting at the vapor port of the tank, now at the bottom? Getting rid of restrictions, isn't liquid a restriction? Seems to me that recovering in the upright position into the vapor port is the least restrictive.
So where’s the sheet ? ? Also it sucked that we couldn’t see the right side of the screen display ,! Why didn’t anybody or yourself suggest to move the tank over to the right some .....Thanks for the informative video
Hi, glad you liked the training! Here's the link to the full training course with all of the extra course materials. event.on24.com/eventRegistration/console/EventConsoleApollo.jsp?uimode=nextgeneration&eventid=2219092&sessionid=1&key=612DFA16C24CDC7E70BB863DF9DA80DC&contenttype=A&eventuserid=305999&playerwidth=1000&playerheight=650&caller=previewLobby&text_language_id=en&format=fhvideo1&newConsole=true&newTabCon=true
AND DONT THEY MAKE DECENT THREADS ANYMORE???????? I ALWAYS HAVE TO FIGHT THREADED CONNECTIONS ! ALSO I WOULD NOT USE MY RECOVRY MACHINE WITH OUT A STRAINER!!!
Watching these videos makes me sleepy. I have respect for teachers, but if we did things the way they say we would lose money for the company and get fired for being too slow. PPE and all that stuff is just not practical or cost effective. You need to be teaching bosses how to follow the rules if you expect the technicians to. I mean we are 5 minutes into this video and you are still talking safety. Click away now dude.
watch the entire video, thanks a million for the lessons.
By far the best video on recovery so far
I just recommended this video over on my RUclips channel to my viewers and subscribers as one of the best recovery only how to video that I have ever found.
Taking in live questions and answering is one of the best things you can do because there’s so many technicians who do not understand the physics of gas phase and charging and recovering procedures.
The lack of training and education in our public school system and college trade school systems need back up resources like this for the students to better understand the industry and its equipment tools practices and procedures.
Awesome to hear! Thanks for watching
@@amaturetechnician8405 you notice In automotive we just have the big dumb machine box (RRR) were you just hook up to hoses press buttons and it does everything for you. Technicians never learn or understand what is happening inside the machine.
In residential and commercial HVAC you have nothing more than a pump and you are responsible for hooking it up correctly every time and turning it off and on.
In HVAC you are responsible for your safety and measuring the weight of the tank to assure you do not overfill it and cause a hydrostatic problem in the confines of the metal cylinder.
In automotive they put a float switch connected to an automatic machine in automotive technician never has to think about safety.
In automotive everything is done automatically magically in the big box without having a technician who is really skilled or knowledgeable about anything.
In residential and commercial HVAC when your tool breaks and fix it.
In the automotive when the tool breaks like the refrigerant recovery recycle and recharge machine (RRR) The automotive mechanic is helpless. Call the Robinair company to come out and fix their tool.
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I was a service Technician many years ago. New service personal can learn a great deal in your classes . 3/24/2021
Hey boss im your new subscriber from Philippines.I'm also a technician here in our Country I've live.. Thanks for wonderful informative training for on how to recovery refrigerant.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have learned so much in this video. Starting my career in 5 months. Thank you so much for the information Sir!
Thanks for the free education :)
We Dig It!
Very Informative, Thank you so much for the awareness you've provided!
Excellent Info. My only suggestion is to make sure that the full tv screen is visible to the camera. Other than that, great video!
Erick! He's awesome!
awesome video just had one question what's the Best way to measure removed system oil when recovering
Very good class!!! Thanks a lot.
Thank you Jackson you are doing a great job 👍👍👍👍👍
Hi sir i have seen your video for the first time i am from india
Excellent Video!
Eric, i will see you @ ESCO Conference next week. Is it possible to get the slides for this video from you on a memory stick or be able to transfer? Reason I'm asking is that the positioning of the inverted recovery cylinder obscures the right side of your projection screen, blocking the visuals 😢.
Thanks,
Brian
Isn't it a good idea to vacuum test for leak all of the interconnections before proceeding?
Would have been nice to have a parts list and possibly where they could be bought for those of us now joining the field and trying to expand our equipment.
Hi Deane, thanks for the input. Those are good recommendations! If you'd like a better training experience feel free to sign up for any of our on-demand training's to experience full graphic slides, test questions, and more. jacksonsystems.com/trainings/
@@JacksonSystems why did my refrigerant recovery bottle get hot during recovery
Excellent video. A question please. At 9:43 you say one of the challenges is knowing what refrigerant is in the system, despite what it says on the rating plate. When calculating the fill, what refrigerant multiplier should be used before using the 80% or 60% multiplier if you’re not sure what is in the system? Dave.
Sir great video tutorial ❤ thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience 🇵🇭🫡
Keep safe and 8n Good health everyday
I just now found your video. How do I get a copy of refrigerant multiplier for recovery? Thank you sir.
- New subscriber
Awesome video 👍 How do I get my hands on that specific gravity chart?!
Excellent video
great class!!! better late than never to see it, ha!
For observing liquid going into the tank (to know when you have pulled all of the liquid out and only vapor left), can you have an inline site glass added to the hose close to the tank?
How far can I go if recovery is made on the high side with AC running? Will it drain the system's oil altogether? That is in the absence of a recovery machine. I supposed as far as the clutch is engaged for it will automatically quit once the refrigerant pressure has reached a certain level.
I am top heavy on Appion digital gauges. hoses. access tools. cant say I've seen any better.
Them and my SMAN DIGITALS BY FIELDPIECE are my go to choices. Both are just elegantly rich in user features that make the recovery, charging and troubleshooting process actually easy and enjoyable. These mfgrs are innovators and in my almost half century in business I have seen no equals.
Great job sir
Awesome Presentation Thank You
Glad you liked it!
where can i find the downloadable sheet for the refrigerant tank calculations he was talking about ?
great video sir very informative. can i ask something on how to charge a refrigerant it is upside down or normal standing of the tank. thanks
Eric, At the 48 minute ticker on video. You explain about hooking up the hose to the recovery tank while it still has a small purge. Is the valve on the tank open or closed when the hose is being hooked up?
So the real question, what do I as a homeowner do with refrigerant that I've recovered with a Yellow Jacket machine?
I'm 52 minutes into this and I am so frustrated because no one's even thinking of asking this question. What is the purpose of the dip tube on the high side of the recovery tank??? If we're using the vapor side for vapor and liquid by flipping the tank then when do we use the high side? How come nobody has thought to ask this question? Seriously, it was actually that easy for me to ask it.
The dip tube is there so that you can draw liquid refrigerant from the tank when it is upright, otherwise you have to flip the the tank and connect to the vapor port.
Hello great Video just wanted to mention, you forgot to mention that when using the (Y) fitting you must purge the second hose also.
Hi, Would be a problem if you could clean your tank and if so are there any regulations that you need to follow?
Great video! Much Appreciated!
Good info greatly appreciated!!😷
Glad it was helpful!
great video thank you!
Has DOT set any limits on how much hydrocarbon refrigerants we can keep on our service vehicles?
Up to 25 lbs
Hi. Great video!!! Thanks!!! Do you have any document regarding fractionation of blends and leaks that you mentioned?
Unfortunately, we do not have any additional documents on that subject. Thank you for watching!
When flipping the recovery tank back upright, should you close the valve and then reopen valve after flip?
how to recover refrigerant in the hose that connect to the recovery machine and the recovery tank? thanks
very good explanation, thank you!!
Do u have to turn cylinder upside down when there is both a liquid side and vapour side. Just have the cylinder as normal. Liquid pipe inside goes to the bottom. And vapour pipe inside goes to the top
Should the tank be flipped back up if going from liquid to vapour, I've heard another source say if the gas vapour has to travel up through the liquid it can heat up the tank?
Great Video! The information was a lot and helpful Thank U very much.
Very curious! are we certified after watching 1 hour 32 mins 27 seconds worth???
Or do i need to watch part 2 ? of the refrigerant handling??? and everything about the freon gas.??
Hi Elvis, Thanks for your interest in our training content. This event does qualify for 2 credits of NATE CEU's. This training is for continuing education only. Unfortunately, it is not part of a certification course. To get your CEU's, go to the OnDemand link in the description to enter our training portal. You can download a certificate once you have completed the requirements. Let us know if you need any further assistance.
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad you drink the Kool-Aid of information
@@coldfinger459sub0 good recommendation. I need a walk through on cleaning up recovered refrigerant without great expenditure- any recommendations?
@@Automotive_Solutions for Automotive there are small refrigerant recycling units about the size of a briefcase.
They contain oil separator to separate the oil out of the refrigerant stream that is entering. They have either south contain screw in internal filters that you can get for high moisture capacity removal or acid removal depending on what is desired.
You can even modify and add different filters on the suction side to do a little bit of pre-filtering and even add extra moisture indicators on your entering refrigerant and leaving refrigerant so you know the before and after affect.
Moisture indicators with sightglass before and after filters sometimes even in the middle is something that I have always done since the very first day of introduction of refrigerant recovery and recycling equipment back in 1992.
I was taught by my dad when I was young and have always recycled R 12 , R 22 , R 134 , and all single molecule refrigerant.
And this is where your refrigerant identifier comes into play as a sure means to confirm you’re recovered and recycle refrigerant is 100% pure refrigerant with no mixed components inside of it.
That your refrigerant is 100% air free.
Your refrigerant is moisture free.
Maybe I’ll do a short video of some very suitcase sized refrigerant recycling equipment that I purchased way back in 1992 I believe I still have one up in storage that I haven’t touched in about two decades.
I think I can break that out of storage if it’s still working and maybe even do some simple modifications to show guys who have limited budgets on how to modify them for cleaning the refrigerant a little better and visual vacation that the moisture was actually removed very easy and fast to see.
The only expense in our industry a refrigerant analyzer is a must as you may have seen some of the videos I have released on how much contaminated refrigerant I get and you cannot believe how many wrong parts were replaced from other shops and all the time they were fighting their own contaminated refrigerant they were putting back into the systems.
@@coldfinger459sub0 - that's great. Any video, if you get time, would be very interesting. 👍
Can you use a refrigerator compressor for a recovery tank? Theoretically speaking ?
Thank you very much
So would it be fair to say that when pulling a vacuum on a recovery tank that turning the tank upside down and pulling a vacuum on the vapor line would be faster method than upright?? Thanks
Pulling vacuum on a recovery tank does not change if its upside down or upright. It only changes if you uses a bigger vacuum pump or bigger vacuum lines.
Can you reuse the refrigerant for R404a?
I am wondering if I can use Appion G5 - Refrigerant Recovery Machine to recover R123.
Why is it when you read the DOT regs on the recovery cylinders and gas cylinders, WC is water column in PSIG, and water capacity is in gallons?
Unless I missed it - should you pull a vac in the tank (assuming it's empty!) before starting the process?
Yes. He said to pull down to 500 microns.
@@rickbraden4272 - there ya go - I missed it! I actually saw it an hour or so later in another video, but...
When doing a push pull method, doesn't the vapor coming into the recovery machine gets condensed and becomes liquid coming out?
I just ordered a recovery tank and it has a float switch. Plus, it's not under vacuum. Rather, it's pressurized with nitrogen (just FYI what is/isn't common in the industry)
Do you have a link to the picture of the split recovery cylinder shown on your monitor? I'd love to be able to show this to a customer. Many thanks
Hello, thanks for your interest. You can access the full training course with the link below and download the slide deck directly. event.on24.com/eventRegistration/console/EventConsoleApollo.jsp?uimode=nextgeneration&eventid=2219092&sessionid=1&key=612DFA16C24CDC7E70BB863DF9DA80DC&contenttype=A&eventuserid=305999&playerwidth=1000&playerheight=650&caller=previewLobby&text_language_id=en&format=fhvideo1&newConsole=true&newTabCon=true
@@JacksonSystems thanks so much! I'm going to join up!
Couldn't you double check the tare weight after you pull a vacuum on a recovery tank to check and see if it weighs more to know if there are contamination in it? Wouldn't it weigh more than the stamped Tare weight?
i could be wrong but he did mention microns and that type of scale may not be that accurate to measure that small of change.
I did to see the conversion chart
How can i find the chart?
The procedure at the 48 minute mark I don't like. This is not the way to "minimal refrigerant loss". The method I learned requires that you keep one hose at your recovery tank. In that way you only have to purge a tiny amount between the recovery unit and the valve on the hose (valve side of the hose closest to the recovery unit).
I watched this video because I seen the screen shot with the G5. I love this unit however the instructions that came with is stated follow the service instructions. They were not helpful! The instructions lacked the end user service info you have provided for this product. I recomend that is corrected if it hasn't already..
Great video and very informative, but your recovery tank was blocking the camera view of the right side of your video monitor so we could not see all of the graphics you're showing on the monitor. :-(
Hi Scott, glad you enjoyed the training. For a better look at all the graphics in this presentation, you can sign up for the on-demand version of the training with this link. jacksonsystems.com/training/refrigerant-recovery-techniques/
What size is the blue hose going into the machine connected to the drier?
it looks like a 3/8 but if you for the best vacuum hose go for the acutools true blu 3/4 ruclips.net/video/P74DijVrsW8/видео.html
As a 2nd year guy I would suggest breaking these videos down into segments. Too much info at once. Lots of maintenance techs who service ACs are watching these vids and just need to know how to recover, repair the lines if they can, then return old or use new refrigerant.
I personally have field trained on cutting a condenser loose. Setting a new one. Pressurizing with Nitrogen, etc.
I was just looking for removing the remaining R from the line set and evaporator or entire system if I was going to braze in a new condenser.
Will return later to view entire video.
As far as sub cooling device, coil some copper and sick it in a ventilated plastic coffee container .
I still don't get the concept of flipping the tank when connected to the vapor port.
If the tank is upright and you are recovering LIQUID isn't it falling to the bottom of the tank?
If recovering LIQUID in the upside down position, then aren't you pushing against the liquid that is sitting at the vapor port of the tank, now at the bottom?
Getting rid of restrictions, isn't liquid a restriction?
Seems to me that recovering in the upright position into the vapor port is the least restrictive.
I also feel uneasy about this point. Further clarification is needed.
I can't find this refrigerant multiplayer chart
So where’s the sheet ? ? Also it sucked that we couldn’t see the right side of the screen display ,! Why didn’t anybody or yourself suggest to move the tank over to the right some .....Thanks for the informative video
Hi, glad you liked the training! Here's the link to the full training course with all of the extra course materials. event.on24.com/eventRegistration/console/EventConsoleApollo.jsp?uimode=nextgeneration&eventid=2219092&sessionid=1&key=612DFA16C24CDC7E70BB863DF9DA80DC&contenttype=A&eventuserid=305999&playerwidth=1000&playerheight=650&caller=previewLobby&text_language_id=en&format=fhvideo1&newConsole=true&newTabCon=true
Good sir🇮🇳😘
I probs need this i breathed refrigerant 5 time.-.
They are not under vacuum, new. Wth!?
AND DONT THEY MAKE DECENT THREADS ANYMORE????????
I ALWAYS HAVE TO FIGHT THREADED CONNECTIONS !
ALSO I WOULD NOT USE MY RECOVRY MACHINE WITH OUT A STRAINER!!!
They come with nitrogen in the tank
Hello we hope you translate to Arabic we hope you do that
YOUR VOLUME IS SO LOW i CANT HEAR IT ON MY COMPUTER.
Way to long, waste of my time
These are live training seminars for NATE credits, they have a length requirement. Please feel free to skim and thanks for checking it out!
Watching these videos makes me sleepy. I have respect for teachers, but if we did things the way they say we would lose money for the company and get fired for being too slow. PPE and all that stuff is just not practical or cost effective. You need to be teaching bosses how to follow the rules if you expect the technicians to. I mean we are 5 minutes into this video and you are still talking safety. Click away now dude.