I like that Funcom are working close with the Herbert Estate to make sure they stick close to the source material while also making an alternate history timeline. As a fan of alternate history and divergent timelines, i like this chance as it does not so much put a fresh coat of paint over an existing painting but rather paint a whole new painting with the same color pallet and i like that.
As a Dune megafan, I'm sure you're aware of the board game, which can also have the alternate history feel. The board game is what really sold me on the universe though, it made the politics of the six factions (two Houses, Freman, Guild, Emperor, Bene Gesseret) so clear, as well as their strengths and weaknesses. So yes, sometimes an alliance of Harkonnen and the Empire carries the day - the house moving to prominance inside the empire, while the Emperor gains control over the spice. Sometimes the Guild can carry it,leaving Dune as a chaotic mess where no one faction has control over the spice they MUST have. Atreides and Harkonnen can even ally - something that Paul himself considered very briefly in the books. Clearing back before the events of the books lets the politics play out, and with little native life, everything is going to have to be politics. They're going to have to flesh out every faction and make their meddling both present and something that players can interact with.
@@AllBleak I'd say it's more along the lines of Diplomacy! It's the Amazon result that is just "Dune" with the subtitle "a game of conquest, diplomacy, and betrayal." It's amazingly asymmetrical and awesome - it's like every faction breaks the rules in amazing ways. Like the Spacing Guild doesn't even start with any troops on the planet - but eveyone pays THEM for troops, since they're the ones shipping in the troops from off planet. And everyone has to pay the Emperor for weapons (who also doesn't start with any troops on the planet). Meanwhile the Freman don't have to pay anyone since all their troops and weapons are on-planet and they just get them for free. They just have a limited deployment zone (since they're walking/riding worms rather than taking starships) and have to kinda walk to destinations that are far away rather than just orbital dropping there. And this is all highly balanced! Like there's been a tournament of it for 30 years (the newest version is a re-release, and GF9 did a great job with it). It's really best played with 6 is the only caveat I have - it's just not as fun if all the factions aren't in play. Note the other game, Dune Imperium is still a good board game, but it doesn't give me the same awesome connection to the lore that the first Dune Board game does.
There's a new variable anyway: the players. If you don't allow the players to influence the world by removing Paul and Harkonnen or Atreides dominance there's very little for the players to do or influence. I feel like Funcom made a good decision in this case.
Ballistic weapons would make a lot of sense for dune to be fair though, knowing you can't risk a las gun incase they have shields, and the likelihood people wouldn't often wear shields in the desert due to summoning worms, Ballistic weapons kinda make the most sense, they either kill or prove they have shields which means move into melee combat. Lore wise I think it's quite possible Ballistic weapons might still be around since missile technology is still well understood and used so it's not that much of a leap with how intelligent mentats are that Ballistic weapons would still be pretty available although almost never used outside of dune and some other scenarios.
Dune, without Paul? So... it's not really Dune. The lore for the game will be different than the book. So, Jessica gives birth to a girl. So, the events of the first book would have been sending Jessica's Daughter into the test of the Gom Jabar. Then she would have been assigned to a Bene Gesserit concubine school. So... not much goin' on there. By the time period where Children of Dune occurs, that's where things would start happening. Jessica's daughter would be having a son, which would be the Quizats Haderack. Her son would be fully in control of this Messiah boy. While Paul faught in opposition to the Bene Gesserit interests, this boy would be a member of it. Surrounded by nothing but Beautiful women all day, every day. This guy would be completely loyal to the Bene Gesserit. The only thing that I think he'd face is a disliking for taking orders. When he weilds so much knowledge, he would be demanding to give orders rather than take them. How conflicts would arrise... I don't get it. The Harkonens leaving Arrakis was a trap. The Harkonens would have remained on Arrakis, and the Atreides would have remained on Caladan. Most of the struggle of the multi thousand year span of the books is making Arrakis a planet with oceans, rivers, and lakes, then trying to revert it back to a desolate desert. Without Paul being there to disrupt the ecological stability of Arakis... the lore would be completely different. Now, for Jessica's grandson to take the water of life... I don't see anything meaningful enough for him to become God Emperor of Dune.
The Harkonen's would still have laid the trap and assuming it's according to the bene gessuit plan wiping out Leto could be a good thing but Jessica's love leads her to tell him about it and since Leto was prepared the conflict could have continued and Leto's forces could've been preserved the main cause of the total loss in the main timeline, leading to a drawn out conflict running dune is still incredibly profitable so pretty much anyone would want to and assuming the main timelines events are still relavent we could assume Leto snitches to the houses about the Emperor leading to the same civil wars as the main timeline minus the (word I'm scared to say desert people war) and potentially everyone fighting over dune or at least trying to secure spice, the freman could also act as another force just trying to stop people taking Spice
1 - it's a game as a service ... there will be seasons.... ergo we will hopefully get to see other planets and perhaps other eras of Dune itself (a God Emperor DLC would be so good... but idt it's going to happen) // also WHY do we NEED to be engaged for THOUSANDS of hours?!?! it's not healty
@@simongervais9302 hahaha fair enough about the thousand hour thing lol. I’m definitely guilty of putting a thousand hours of game for sure. Maybe I over exaggerated a wee bit!
@@AllBleak 2 - the combat indeed seems to be worrying... there should be fluid movement and acrobatic flourishes like in assassin's creed 1-2 and the standard reload animation we saw is just not it either!!! 3- the adaptation of the lore is not only to be expected (any adaptation has to do that, Lynch did it, Villeneuve did it even more so) to me that's a source of interest rather than concern : How will they spin it? What changes did they go for? That's interesting // first and foremost... Paul Atreides does not exist in this game. That's a big fanfcition what if right there!!!
This will be made or broken by how they choose to market and promote this. If they don’t make it abundantly clear that this is an alternate timeline, this will flop before people have time to even figure out how bad the gameplay is.
Listen.. i'm the first to jump up whenever i notice something woke. I don't see any wokeness so far. The only concern i have, is the glaring issues with the Game. Have i missed something? Where do you see something Woke? Maybe the Fact that Female Characters look like dudes?
@@AllBleak True. Dune needs a better story tbh. I often wondered how the harkoonen was able to disable the atriedes defense system without them noticing. Are they all asleep during the night? Pretty incompetent bunch if you think about it. Reminds me of a certain event that happened on Oct. 7. They just let them waltz in.
I like that Funcom are working close with the Herbert Estate to make sure they stick close to the source material while also making an alternate history timeline. As a fan of alternate history and divergent timelines, i like this chance as it does not so much put a fresh coat of paint over an existing painting but rather paint a whole new painting with the same color pallet and i like that.
As a Dune megafan, I'm sure you're aware of the board game, which can also have the alternate history feel. The board game is what really sold me on the universe though, it made the politics of the six factions (two Houses, Freman, Guild, Emperor, Bene Gesseret) so clear, as well as their strengths and weaknesses.
So yes, sometimes an alliance of Harkonnen and the Empire carries the day - the house moving to prominance inside the empire, while the Emperor gains control over the spice. Sometimes the Guild can carry it,leaving Dune as a chaotic mess where no one faction has control over the spice they MUST have. Atreides and Harkonnen can even ally - something that Paul himself considered very briefly in the books.
Clearing back before the events of the books lets the politics play out, and with little native life, everything is going to have to be politics. They're going to have to flesh out every faction and make their meddling both present and something that players can interact with.
I was not aware until now! I want to play this very much! Is it sorta like Catan?
Which one is it? There’s multiple on Amazon lol.
@@AllBleak I'd say it's more along the lines of Diplomacy! It's the Amazon result that is just "Dune" with the subtitle "a game of conquest, diplomacy, and betrayal."
It's amazingly asymmetrical and awesome - it's like every faction breaks the rules in amazing ways. Like the Spacing Guild doesn't even start with any troops on the planet - but eveyone pays THEM for troops, since they're the ones shipping in the troops from off planet. And everyone has to pay the Emperor for weapons (who also doesn't start with any troops on the planet).
Meanwhile the Freman don't have to pay anyone since all their troops and weapons are on-planet and they just get them for free. They just have a limited deployment zone (since they're walking/riding worms rather than taking starships) and have to kinda walk to destinations that are far away rather than just orbital dropping there.
And this is all highly balanced! Like there's been a tournament of it for 30 years (the newest version is a re-release, and GF9 did a great job with it). It's really best played with 6 is the only caveat I have - it's just not as fun if all the factions aren't in play.
Note the other game, Dune Imperium is still a good board game, but it doesn't give me the same awesome connection to the lore that the first Dune Board game does.
There's a new variable anyway: the players. If you don't allow the players to influence the world by removing Paul and Harkonnen or Atreides dominance there's very little for the players to do or influence.
I feel like Funcom made a good decision in this case.
Looking forward to your videos once the game drops
Ballistic weapons would make a lot of sense for dune to be fair though, knowing you can't risk a las gun incase they have shields, and the likelihood people wouldn't often wear shields in the desert due to summoning worms, Ballistic weapons kinda make the most sense, they either kill or prove they have shields which means move into melee combat. Lore wise I think it's quite possible Ballistic weapons might still be around since missile technology is still well understood and used so it's not that much of a leap with how intelligent mentats are that Ballistic weapons would still be pretty available although almost never used outside of dune and some other scenarios.
I like this take, definitely made me think a little bit.
Dune, without Paul?
So... it's not really Dune. The lore for the game will be different than the book.
So, Jessica gives birth to a girl. So, the events of the first book would have been sending Jessica's Daughter into the test of the Gom Jabar. Then she would have been assigned to a Bene Gesserit concubine school.
So... not much goin' on there. By the time period where Children of Dune occurs, that's where things would start happening.
Jessica's daughter would be having a son, which would be the Quizats Haderack. Her son would be fully in control of this Messiah boy.
While Paul faught in opposition to the Bene Gesserit interests, this boy would be a member of it. Surrounded by nothing but Beautiful women all day, every day.
This guy would be completely loyal to the Bene Gesserit.
The only thing that I think he'd face is a disliking for taking orders. When he weilds so much knowledge, he would be demanding to give orders rather than take them.
How conflicts would arrise... I don't get it. The Harkonens leaving Arrakis was a trap. The Harkonens would have remained on Arrakis, and the Atreides would have remained on Caladan.
Most of the struggle of the multi thousand year span of the books is making Arrakis a planet with oceans, rivers, and lakes, then trying to revert it back to a desolate desert.
Without Paul being there to disrupt the ecological stability of Arakis... the lore would be completely different.
Now, for Jessica's grandson to take the water of life... I don't see anything meaningful enough for him to become God Emperor of Dune.
@@Orphanlast I see what your saying and I’m nervous about it for sure. I’m doing my best to be optimistic because I want a dune video game so bad haha
The Harkonen's would still have laid the trap and assuming it's according to the bene gessuit plan wiping out Leto could be a good thing but Jessica's love leads her to tell him about it and since Leto was prepared the conflict could have continued and Leto's forces could've been preserved the main cause of the total loss in the main timeline, leading to a drawn out conflict running dune is still incredibly profitable so pretty much anyone would want to and assuming the main timelines events are still relavent we could assume Leto snitches to the houses about the Emperor leading to the same civil wars as the main timeline minus the (word I'm scared to say desert people war) and potentially everyone fighting over dune or at least trying to secure spice, the freman could also act as another force just trying to stop people taking Spice
1 - it's a game as a service ... there will be seasons.... ergo we will hopefully get to see other planets and perhaps other eras of Dune itself (a God Emperor DLC would be so good... but idt it's going to happen) // also WHY do we NEED to be engaged for THOUSANDS of hours?!?! it's not healty
@@simongervais9302 hahaha fair enough about the thousand hour thing lol. I’m definitely guilty of putting a thousand hours of game for sure. Maybe I over exaggerated a wee bit!
@@AllBleak 2 - the combat indeed seems to be worrying... there should be fluid movement and acrobatic flourishes like in assassin's creed 1-2 and the standard reload animation we saw is just not it either!!!
3- the adaptation of the lore is not only to be expected (any adaptation has to do that, Lynch did it, Villeneuve did it even more so) to me that's a source of interest rather than concern : How will they spin it? What changes did they go for? That's interesting // first and foremost... Paul Atreides does not exist in this game. That's a big fanfcition what if right there!!!
The 1993 Dune II on the Amiga looks like more fun than this.
This will be made or broken by how they choose to market and promote this. If they don’t make it abundantly clear that this is an alternate timeline, this will flop before people have time to even figure out how bad the gameplay is.
@@philVSmonster that’s a good point.
I fear this is going to be just a copy/paste "survival" game riding on a title... sadly its now the term...
@@ProgRiot you got a solid point there… hopefully not!
They have made Conan Exiles, which is pretty good survival game that also tells a lot of lore about Conan universe.
Another lore made woke even though the lore is very diverse to begin with.
Listen.. i'm the first to jump up whenever i notice something woke. I don't see any wokeness so far. The only concern i have, is the glaring issues with the Game. Have i missed something? Where do you see something Woke? Maybe the Fact that Female Characters look like dudes?
What about the game seems woke to you @sherry356. I'm genuinely asking. I picked up on nothing in that regard.
Dune will be a worse fallout 76. At least 76 has added a lot of story.
I hope it’s not that bad!
If the gameplay and lore is good, im all in. Paul sucks and Leto 2 sucks balls lol
I like the idea of the Atreides not getting wiped out. Hope the new lore is good!
@@AllBleak True. Dune needs a better story tbh. I often wondered how the harkoonen was able to disable the atriedes defense system without them noticing. Are they all asleep during the night? Pretty incompetent bunch if you think about it. Reminds me of a certain event that happened on Oct. 7. They just let them waltz in.
RN THE GAME LOOKS LIKE A PILE OF GARBAGE.
Definitely needs work, but remember it’s not out yet haha. Trying to be optimistic
Meh
Which part do you think is most meh? Haha
Wow, the game looks terrible 😢
It needs some work for sure, all of this I believe is alpha or beta footage, so let’s see what happens lol. Trying to be positive 🤙
the old movie is good
the new movies r woke shit
Can you help me understand why you think they are woke?
@@AllBleak race swapped and gender swapped characters for a start