Dunland is actually one of my favorites and was the first faction I didn't cheat with to win. I like to take Enedwait, then backstab Isengard, then eat up whats left of Rohan. Sure, their general roster is on the lower end of good, but there not bad. Better then most evil factions. I also like that their are fairly neutral in lore. Not evil, just pissed off.
I really wanna see a play through of Dunland I know it isn't a the most prominent or popular faction, but for whatever reason ever since seeing there brief appearances in the movies I have been attached to them. And to me they have far to few playthroughs to them on RUclips especially of high quality and I would love to see one on this channel though I imagine that would be some time in coming figure I would just post this here and hope maybe Arachir or someone else with a RUclips would think about giving Dunland some love would certainly have my support.
Hi Galu, hope you're well. I recently have had some health issues related to my heart and was rushed to hospital. Everything turned out ok but I was very weak and barely able to do anything. Anxiety attacks were frequent and I could barely function. The only thing that could keep me sane during those recovery days were your videos, they really relaxed me and allowed my body to rest from what I went through. Thank you from the bottom of my barely functioning heart for making such consistently good videos that really got me through a life changing time. I sincerely hope you are able to continue working on DaC and this youtube channel for as long as is possible.
For the Rohan and Isengard balancing, all the campaigns I’ve played with other than my Rohan and high elves campaign, Rohan loses. I’ve played as Gondor, soo amroth, Lorien, woodland realm, erebor, northern dunedain, anduin, dorwinion. But I absolutely love the mod!! So much variety!!
Yeah ive noticed that rohan seems to get steam rolled but in my experience when you need rohan to win, playing as a good faction, they seem to loose but when playing as an evil faction they seem to over run isengard
Rohan will always begin to lose land in the beginning, but they may make a quick comeback...until the barracks event. Even if they succeed the twofold doomstack that happens when you take too many Isengard regions will spawn and Rohan will die anyway.
My take on Dunland: Dunland is on the easy side as the troops are so cheap that you can field quite big melee infantry armies from the start and just run down everyone. Dunland Riders are good hit and run units if you need to catch an enemy unit, which you want to kill with your infantry units. Dunland Raiders (inf) are really cost effective unit and you can flood the lands with them and the Berserkers and support them with spears. Enedwaith isn't that much of a challenge if you use a trash spearman unit to bait their missiles and then run your army to kill them in melee. Also as these troops are mostly trash tier, the blacksmith buildings raise their defense quite a lot and dun larach has a building that gives +1 melee bonus to all your melee troops so early game your trash tier troops have better stats than here. These bonuses work really well with Dunland's large units sizes. Early game you have power to go vs anyone almost and you have 3 forts in your heartlands so you can ready up a stack without them taking upkeep, also helps early game economy as you can make more troops for your rebel conquests. Dunland campaign's most funniest moments and biggest problems lies in it's battles, early game is awful lot of fun as you are so strong, but late game it get's really boring to just go and grind the enemy with the infantry the umphteenth time, so it tends to go more to autoresolve side for me. But fast campaign of Dunland is really much recommended! (I like more these underdog trash factions generally, votes went to ened and gobbos in the faction vote.)
Plus, once/if you take Enedwaith, you get some of the most profitable settlements in the game (Alcfud and Balorn can make +5000 each), add to that your readily available elites and you can just spam full banner armies over and over.
I have a slightly irrational love of Dunland. Especially in DaC, I think their unit models look absolutely gorgeous, particularly those painted shields. The Beast Slayers are one of my favourite units for no logical reason that I can name.
They look cool, their name consists of two very manly words, and they live up to their name by sending every beast to hell that dares to come under their keen eyes. Sounds like rational reasons for me.
Absolutely love Dunland in this game - a nice, infantry based roster (so you don’t have to worry about micromanaging with too many horses and archers), generally awesome looking units, an underlying sense that they are very much underdogs, making them fun to play as, but also a nice difficulty level for the average Med 2 player. Please never change them! (Except for changing back Tharbad) Edit: I posted this before watching the video, and have just reached 14:30. How dare people say such things about my favourite faction!
@@roofy3846 your comment is stupid because you’ve either misunderstood or ignored that Troll way’s comment didn’t actually complain about it taking too long, rather it just showed ho much he is looking forward to it which is always nice for a creator. If you’re clear on the subject now, you’re welcome. If you were trolling the whole way through, FUCK YOU then.
how about dunland gets a unique unit from the hall of meduseld in rohan if they take edoras seeming its their home land it seems fitting they would get a powerful unit only available from edoras
The dunnish units were a really useful addition to the Enedwaith Roster, going up against the mid tier of most evil factions was proving very difficult for me but with a few Dunlendings in each of my armies I finally had some melee men I could rely upon while my Enedwaithi hurled their javelins from behind.
I think the reason javelinmen perform way worse in med 2 than in rome 1 is due to their animation, it is dreadfully slow and can get interupted very easily. I would suggest that if possible you import the rome1 animation and then maybe lower the damage for javelins across the board to compensate
They suffer from low range. If even one of them touches an enemy model the whole unit gets interrupted making them notoriously difficult to manage especially with large battles
Terrain bonus affects fatigue drastically, you get exhausted really fast in bad terrain so it is quite significant. Fast googling says that terrain bonus gives attack bonuses on troops so maybe the terrain malus lowers attack too.
@@thehumanity3324 ive noticed that it makes morale respose lower and overall morale lower when your troops are exhausted, unless they have locked morale, and it also slows your units down drastically especially for heavy cav / infantry, I'm sure it also lowers defense and attack too
You already get an impact from different types of terrain, these bonuses improve/negate the impact to a certain extent. ie heavy infantry and esp cavalry get a debuff in woods, so if you have lighter troops you should fight more in woods anyway to gain an advantage. eg a Dunland clan spearman has stats stat_ground 1, -3, 2, 1 which means they get +1 to stats in scrub, -3 in sand, +2 in forest and +1 in snow combat modifiers, on top of the other bonuses they have in such terrain for being light infantry So, with a primary attack of 2 that means they are 100% better at attacking in a forest compared to grassland. Which makes sense when you think about it :)
Based on my testing dunland pikes were some of the best when taking cost into account. Wulfs pikes outshone even the first legion and fountain guard in a unique pike test for no. of kills/unit cost And the isenmach axeman did well in Galus top 10 so they have some pretty nice units!
I loved playing as dunland, one of the most enjoyable factions. Units are great and just keeping a general in the army will make it easy to beat enedwaith. The only 2 things that annoyed me were the 1st tier of cav and archer took 2 turns to create when stats aren't that great and that gynd is part of the unite the clan script, as isengard will get there before you and arent keen to sell it to you. But not to leave the comment on a bad note, a great faction to play as.
i've been playing this mod for quite a while, Enedwaith and Dunland are two of my favorite factions. they take the spam of Mordor or Moria and throw in some actually decent missile troups and reliable infantry, especially with Dunlands pikes (rip Enedwaith pikemen), their ability to quickly and steadily supply cheat and useful units makes them very powerful steamroller factions in the later game.
So one thing I notice a lot is that the AI gets stuck next to Tharbad a lot. They send units trying to get to the other side of the river (mainly Endewaith does this) and they will pile up next to Tharbad. Diplomats of various factions also do this. I mainly noticed this in my Breeland campaign when I was allied with Endewaith. It also happened in my Rohan campaign and I couldn't take Tharbad from Dunland because there were so many neutral Endewaith armies surrounding the city.
Dunland was the first faction I played with way back in DaC. They are definitely fun and everything depends on how you play it, diplomacy-wise. If you play just as the regular way, they are quite easy, maybe a 2. But if you backstab Isengard definitely harder but more fun.
I edited the unit replenishment and max available stats to nearly triple what they start with for each faction and Dunland continuously spew the guardians and I both hate it and love it because of their fantastic look.
I feel the Dunland roster could really use a jav-cav unit, which would make sense both as their raider style, but also as one of the best answers to cavelry, thereby giving Dunland another ace against Rohan.
I just finished a Dol Guldur campaign, and I can definitely confirm the AI prioritizes targeting your javelin units. My basic javelin unit, the Dol Guldur Scouts, constantly melted under any and all enemy arrow fire, even though I tried my best to maneuver them into good positions. Ultimately, they served the early game as line infantry because it was useless for me to spend all the effort to move them around the field.
Warchanters are especially good in those tight battles where you don't know if you are going to win, then they make your troops to fight more akin to the last man and also if you don't bring a general to a fight. Your troops don't tend to run away... To be fair, Galu, you tend to play factions with better morale than Dunland and Enedwaith :D
I needed a Warchanter in every one of my Enedwaith army. They were very useful when I started going toe to toe with Isengard and were pretty useful when I was battling through other Wildmen.
I think it was a dev video or the like for Rome II total war, either Franks or Saxons introduction if I remember right. I think the guy gave an at least vague if not better explanation of what a terrain bonus does. This is a childhood memory though, could be misremembering
The thing with javelin units being targeted more is real. Playing Gondor right now and every time I bring Mariners into battle they just get immediatly targeted by all the enemy archers
*The head of the mod team talks poorly about the Dunlending Horsemen* *I look over at my Isengard campaign* “No, no, he’s wrong! He doesn’t mean it. I love you! You helped me crush Gondor and Rohan and you took out whole units of Territorial Guardsmen by yourselves! You all look so handsome in the Isengard armor I gave you! Please stop crying, guys! I love you so much!”
Idk about y’all about I almost always rush Enedwaith and Dunland playing as nearby factions because this region is free real estate and use it to boost my economy. Dunland later on is a little bit more powerful but not a major threat.
10:40 .... I can't tell if you're joking but that's not really a joke. for the price and the tier and the fact that you get them from an income producing building, those are one of the best units in the game. I have used them to incredible effect. And, they can be upgraded. They are only particularly vulnerable to missiles.
dunland is the most powerful of the wild men. and with the pike and wolf spam you easily stand up to the civilized factions. i wish there was a scrip which gave you more tech if you conquered more advanced factions or took some important settlement.
I have a proposal for a Dunland script but I dont know if its possible. The impression I got from the book and films is that there is an old grudge against Rohan. So I would propose something called the blood-feud system: if you score a (heroic) victory against Rohan (and Bree) a blood feud is settled and one of the families would repay you for settling it, giving you a small income gold amount. If you (heavily) lose a battle against Rohan (and Bree) then another blood feud is added, enraging your population and thereby granting you a (weak) military unit. Again, I dont know if this is possible through scripts and maybe it could use some variety and expansion, I jusr feel like the grudge and anger against the people around you could be a feature to explore.
I think that one of the reason people do not play as Dunland often is because they are not that recognizable and appealing as other factions which appear more focused in the movies and the books. The other reason is that they are just a human faction, which is akin to most other Total War games and the base vanilla Medieval 2, and not as exotic as say elves or dwarves or even the humans of the eastern factions.
IF Enedwaith & Dunland is merged into one is probably dope could give gondor/HE/Rohan a pain they never feel before and if i could familiarize myself with both factions i probably can manage to go to war with Gondor and the HE at the same time. But dunland on its own is fine too and with me being stuck at home i managed to play every single faction in the mod and similar with mordor i learn to appreciate how each faction adapt to their enemies and thus your playstyle too
Yeah I made the mistake of fighting Dunland as Khazad Dum late in the game without archers and just trusting in my armor stat I would not recommend doing so as the berserkers and Isenach axemen made me pay dearly for my hubris
One thing I find out of place with both Dunland and Enedwaith is the Gaelic sounding names of generals and captains and Bhaille as well; it really feel unLOTR-like.
@ I don't have specific suggestions however I think Welsh (but not quite Sindar if you get my drift) sounding names would fit in better, especially considering the area of ME. It's just a personal opinion. I'd be more than happy to take a look at a list of names though if you're interested, although if you're not that's fine also!
Hello, i think that the terrain bonus has something to do with their stamina, because it can be harder to fight in the cold air that fills your lungs or the dry air from the dessert. Just an idea
My one issue with Dunland is that the unite the clan event requires you to take an Isengard(Gynd)? town to gain the Guardians of Dunland unit. Kinda ironic that one needs to betray Isengard to get Saruman to give you his best armour. My favorite strategy is to peace with breeland at the start and gain some $$. Then go through Tharbad and head west to Argond and then hit Suduri before Enedwaith takes it. After that go north and gain those northern rebel towns and then stop at the dwarven/orc mining town. The trick is to now trade towns with Enedwaith and get their best towns like Balorn, Lond daer, dol vorn, and heuort. After doing that their armies are confused and you can easily take them out by turn 30ish . Dunland's economy should be able churn out endless units too take on isengard and breeland at the same time.
Everytime I have played qn evil nation Rohan kills Isengard, and everytime I play a good nation Isengard kills Rohan. This is just a coincidence but its just intresting that it's happened so many times.
You should make it so that guardians can be trained from Orthanc, it make sanse from the lore of the unit and it is a little buff if you backstab Isengard.
14:34 honestly i Love playing as "Savage Tribe" type of factions defeating bigger factions, satisfaction of peasant killing "High Born knight" type, with an Axe ahh ! shame this engine cant support more factions, imagine uniting 25-30 tribes battle royal insted of 2 tribes fight. shame Rome 2 cant be changed to be TATW insted of Javelin simulator.. like i saw Attila TA mod bath thare is no campaing map.. if just CA would give full mod support tools and stuf. Love this Mod, much love from Serbia
In my Dunland playthrough I decided to side with good factions, kill Goblins and Isengard. Have easily defeated Enedwaith, killed off Bree, now getting ready for Goblins. Campaign is one of the best I ever played.
I hate those unwashed bastards. I play Khazad Dum, just got rid of the Moria Goblins, moved my armies north to attack the Snow Orcs and they attack me. I have to move all the way back, conquer some of their settlements and then I offer them one back for peace. They accept, I march north again to continue my war on the Orcs and THEY BACKSTAB ME AGAIN!!!! Leave me alone! I just want to check those sweet custom Snow Orc settlements!
Dunland is as hard as you make it, you often border gondor, lindon and some dwarves, the campaign can be hard if you go to war with them, if you don't its easy
I'm somewhat surprised you haven't mentioned Khazad-dûm, as they really don't like Dunland and they can suddenly appear with armies marching through Dunland's heartland (especially since the player doesn't usually have to watch their part of the map very much).
What happens if the ai reaches its victory conditions? In my angmar campaign the dunlendings are very powerful. And I saw a message warning about the domination of dunland so I suppose they are at 30 regions or near. Bree and Rohan are dead. Can I lose the campaign like that?
Why make Guardians of Dunland a unit-type clone of Orthanc Guard? I get that thematically Isengard send suits of armor (and the models are great), but it seems a waste of a slot to have 2 exact copies of spearmen. Maybe possible to make the Dunland one axemen or something? Maybe spearmen w javs? idk, just seems a waste to have spearmen clones, so to make em a bit different in terms of their unit-type. Although the models are fantastic and should be preserved
4 года назад+1
As I said in the video, we currently are not in need of slots so it is a moot point.
I'm probably a little late, but i still hope someone sees this... Does anyone know the tracklist for the music used with the Dunlendings and Enedwaith, because i love the Music there, but couldn't figure out what the tracks are called... I searched the channels linked in the description, but i want exactly the ones used in the mod and cant find them sadly...
Try Danheim's channel as both Dunland and Enedwaith use his songs but Galu doesn't list him in the description. One song that i know for sure both factions share and have uploaded it on my channel is Danheim - Forn Elding.
Has anyone ever united the tribes without going to war with isengard? They always take the lands on my southern border in the first couple turns so it's impossible to take then quick enough
Would be much appreciated if your modding team would cut some of the multitude of units spawning for enemies (especially when you attack important cities) , and also reduce the number of troops spawning after conquering the capital/having 2 regions left... It s annoying to play with Dunland, roll over Isengard with an early tier army, but then 2/3 stacks of elite troops spawn for Isengard, and you are basically... Fked up
So if one attacks Isengard and then completes the script uniting the clans (or the other way round), Saruman still recognizes the power of Dunland and sends assistance to them with more troops that can be used to defeat him? The story behind the script is a bit off.
@@colmoe Because what is now Rohan was originally their home, the ancestors of the Rohirrim drove them out and claimed that land (Calenardhon) as their own. Being a Wildman sucks in LOTR, you get misunderstood and kicked around by literally everyone else because you're not 'civilized'.
@@baconcommando2454 I mean not really. The Rohirrim were given the province of Calenhardhon by Gondor who ruled it at the time. In between the Rohirrim arriving and the Gondorians departing the Dunlendings occupied Isengard. The true enmity comes from when Helm killed Freca after he tried to force a marriage between his son Wulf and Helm's daughter. Wulf then led an army reinforced by other enemies of Gondor and occupied Rohan. That's where the believe that the Dunlandings were the true owners of Rohan comes from. Eventually of course they were driven out of Rohan and eventually starved out of Isengard too.
@@thomassaxon8254 Gondor didn't really 'own' the land at all. Sure, they had that land marked on their maps, but they had no cities or standing garrisons in those lands, and almost entirely abandoned them during the Watchful Peace. Heck, some of the Dunlendings are descendants of the original Gondorian garrison of Isengard who intermarried with the Wild men because everyone else forgot about them. If anyone has a claim to those lands it would at least be them.
@@baconcommando2454 that doesn't account for Rohan, only Isengard. And even Isengard is iffy- if in a moment of weakness say Norway rocked up and occupied the Isle of Sheppey for 20-50 years does that mean that the Norwegians or their comingled descendents have the right to the place? As for Calenhardhon- the Scottish Highlands are sparsely populated and have never had garrisons in them. Does that mean they're not part of Scotland or the UK?
The Rohan vs Isengard balance depends on Enedwaith. If Enedwaith doesnt attack isengard within the first 40 turns, Rohan gets steamrolled. If enedwaith attacks Isengard, then Rohan steamroller isengard until they are left with only Isengard and they hold out forever with that one settlement.
Building restrictions are a big drawback imo. You can always force people to build massive stone structures, especially when you reach the point of being one of the strongest and influential factions. All it does is arbitrarily limiting the potential of a certain faction in a scenario where it's all about alternative "history".
all they building pictures are from total war rome celtic\german tribes nations(which is kinda boring tbh). i think Dunland is one of the most underdeveloped factions both in terms of military strength and placement on the map. Since the AI is predictable its still possible to win the game with them and even defeat like gondor\mordor and what not, but it's extremely tiresome and boring. And almost impossible to maintain peace\alliance with enedhwaith which always end up in war. Also playing isengard is always end up in war with enedhwaith even after taking the one ring from edoras(lucky spawn for my at 35 turn) and having nazgul and strong military and all of rohan territory they still don't want to ceasefire which end up with them losing in an instant couse they are too trash faction like dunedain. I think this nation is interesting from a very far point of view(although they are really just a barbarians and pillagers) but i didn't see anything special in the game for them. But i guess it's just the limitation of the engine, if it was something like total war warhammer i would like to see dunland like a horde nation w\o capital and castles and things like that. Something like a mongolians but on the smaller scale, taking cities just for pillaging and having camps in the woods.
I dont dislike Dunland for their army or roster or location. I dislike them because theyre the useful idiots, I actually like the barbarian feel of them but theyre just being used by Isengard and they are being duped into war. The Andiun offers a better alternative as a barbarian faction, they fight to keep their ways and freedom. Dunland fights because a white boi told them to loot and rape and pillage and stray hairs bad, take vengeance on stray hair grrrrrr. The only way id play Dunland is if I absorb Enedwaith, turn on Isengard and then destroy Rohan and figure things from there, but much like what keeps me from playing Harad and Rhun. I really dont like being a vassal theme wise.
I don't understand why you have tied some units to certain provinces, I love your mod but I hate this system and it's very boring! because of this, many factions are simply not playable for me because the units that are available everywhere are just rubbish!
4 года назад
That is how the older games worked. Have you not played vanilla Medieval II?
@ I played enough to notice that in the original game, the units were attached only in comparison between the castle and the city! but here for example: sauron's will squad can only be hired in barad-dur, marannon and minas morgul! WHY?
Please stop mispronouncing Gaelic names. Not here but you say "Niall" as "Ny-all". It's said as Niell. The anglized version of Niall. Besides, dunlendings struck me more Frisian.
Ranika, I undertand your point, but comments like yours are what makes regular youtubers like Galu, (who takes time on making videos and reading comments for good feedback ) to despise RUclips and the comments on his videos.
4 года назад+12
Ah yes excuse me, let me just pause learning Italian and stop reading up on Sindarin so I can study Gaelic just so I don't annoy you on RUclips.
Dunland is actually one of my favorites and was the first faction I didn't cheat with to win. I like to take Enedwait, then backstab Isengard, then eat up whats left of Rohan. Sure, their general roster is on the lower end of good, but there not bad. Better then most evil factions. I also like that their are fairly neutral in lore. Not evil, just pissed off.
Pissed and misguided.
I really wanna see a play through of Dunland I know it isn't a the most prominent or popular faction, but for whatever reason ever since seeing there brief appearances in the movies I have been attached to them. And to me they have far to few playthroughs to them on RUclips especially of high quality and I would love to see one on this channel though I imagine that would be some time in coming figure I would just post this here and hope maybe Arachir or someone else with a RUclips would think about giving Dunland some love would certainly have my support.
Go check out Lazy Hoplite, he is doing a Dunland campaign.
@@trollwayy5981 Thank you for letting me know ill go look it yo now appreciate it.
I was going to hop into the comments section to say exactly the same thing, you beat me to it.
Same honestly, I am a fan of the Dunlendings ever since I first saw them.
Hi Galu, hope you're well. I recently have had some health issues related to my heart and was rushed to hospital. Everything turned out ok but I was very weak and barely able to do anything. Anxiety attacks were frequent and I could barely function. The only thing that could keep me sane during those recovery days were your videos, they really relaxed me and allowed my body to rest from what I went through. Thank you from the bottom of my barely functioning heart for making such consistently good videos that really got me through a life changing time. I sincerely hope you are able to continue working on DaC and this youtube channel for as long as is possible.
Glad everything turned out okay, all the best and wishing you good health for the future.
For the Rohan and Isengard balancing, all the campaigns I’ve played with other than my Rohan and high elves campaign, Rohan loses. I’ve played as Gondor, soo amroth, Lorien, woodland realm, erebor, northern dunedain, anduin, dorwinion. But I absolutely love the mod!! So much variety!!
Yeah ive noticed that rohan seems to get steam rolled but in my experience when you need rohan to win, playing as a good faction, they seem to loose but when playing as an evil faction they seem to over run isengard
Rohan will always begin to lose land in the beginning, but they may make a quick comeback...until the barracks event. Even if they succeed the twofold doomstack that happens when you take too many Isengard regions will spawn and Rohan will die anyway.
My take on Dunland: Dunland is on the easy side as the troops are so cheap that you can field quite big melee infantry armies from the start and just run down everyone.
Dunland Riders are good hit and run units if you need to catch an enemy unit, which you want to kill with your infantry units. Dunland Raiders (inf) are really cost effective unit and you can flood the lands with them and the Berserkers and support them with spears. Enedwaith isn't that much of a challenge if you use a trash spearman unit to bait their missiles and then run your army to kill them in melee. Also as these troops are mostly trash tier, the blacksmith buildings raise their defense quite a lot and dun larach has a building that gives +1 melee bonus to all your melee troops so early game your trash tier troops have better stats than here. These bonuses work really well with Dunland's large units sizes.
Early game you have power to go vs anyone almost and you have 3 forts in your heartlands so you can ready up a stack without them taking upkeep, also helps early game economy as you can make more troops for your rebel conquests.
Dunland campaign's most funniest moments and biggest problems lies in it's battles, early game is awful lot of fun as you are so strong, but late game it get's really boring to just go and grind the enemy with the infantry the umphteenth time, so it tends to go more to autoresolve side for me. But fast campaign of Dunland is really much recommended!
(I like more these underdog trash factions generally, votes went to ened and gobbos in the faction vote.)
Agree.. Dunland's roster is pretty solid, even against the more powerful enemies. Armour piercing helps a lot, especially against the dwarves.
Plus, once/if you take Enedwaith, you get some of the most profitable settlements in the game (Alcfud and Balorn can make +5000 each), add to that your readily available elites and you can just spam full banner armies over and over.
I have a slightly irrational love of Dunland. Especially in DaC, I think their unit models look absolutely gorgeous, particularly those painted shields. The Beast Slayers are one of my favourite units for no logical reason that I can name.
I agree with Beast Slayers, they are one of my favourite human units as well.
They look cool, their name consists of two very manly words, and they live up to their name by sending every beast to hell that dares to come under their keen eyes. Sounds like rational reasons for me.
Honestly same, I love Dunland for some reason in pretty much anything Lotr related
Absolutely love Dunland in this game - a nice, infantry based roster (so you don’t have to worry about micromanaging with too many horses and archers), generally awesome looking units, an underlying sense that they are very much underdogs, making them fun to play as, but also a nice difficulty level for the average Med 2 player. Please never change them! (Except for changing back Tharbad)
Edit: I posted this before watching the video, and have just reached 14:30. How dare people say such things about my favourite faction!
I’ve waited however many weeks for my faction to be covered, I cannot wait for next week!
@@roofy3846 The stupidity of your comment rivals that of the average Dunlending Clansmen.
Henk Winkens You’re very stupid, and I don’t feel like explaining why I feel this way.
@@roofy3846 your comment is stupid because you’ve either misunderstood or ignored that Troll way’s comment didn’t actually complain about it taking too long, rather it just showed ho much he is looking forward to it which is always nice for a creator. If you’re clear on the subject now, you’re welcome. If you were trolling the whole way through, FUCK YOU then.
Xenaro Naulmunnen He’s just a troll I think, or maybe he’s actually just that dumb, I honestly do not know.
@@trollwayy5981 I was just kidding, not trolling, Sorry
how about dunland gets a unique unit from the hall of meduseld in rohan if they take edoras seeming its their home land it seems fitting they would get a powerful unit only available from edoras
The dunnish units were a really useful addition to the Enedwaith Roster, going up against the mid tier of most evil factions was proving very difficult for me but with a few Dunlendings in each of my armies I finally had some melee men I could rely upon while my Enedwaithi hurled their javelins from behind.
I think the reason javelinmen perform way worse in med 2 than in rome 1 is due to their animation, it is dreadfully slow and can get interupted very easily. I would suggest that if possible you import the rome1 animation and then maybe lower the damage for javelins across the board to compensate
I wonder if there's a way to speed up the animation
@@arshbs That's probably possible. Halberd/pike animations have been altered from the Medieval 2 originals.
They suffer from low range. If even one of them touches an enemy model the whole unit gets interrupted making them notoriously difficult to manage especially with large battles
@@arshbs mov_speed_mod in export_descr_unit.txt
@@sauromatae9728 thanks a bunch m8! Gonna speed them up right now
Terrain bonus affects fatigue drastically, you get exhausted really fast in bad terrain so it is quite significant. Fast googling says that terrain bonus gives attack bonuses on troops so maybe the terrain malus lowers attack too.
Do you know how fatigue affects units in TWM2? I know it has quite drastic effects in TW Rome 2 but I dont know what it does in Med2.
@@thehumanity3324 ive noticed that it makes morale respose lower and overall morale lower when your troops are exhausted, unless they have locked morale, and it also slows your units down drastically especially for heavy cav / infantry, I'm sure it also lowers defense and attack too
You already get an impact from different types of terrain, these bonuses improve/negate the impact to a certain extent. ie heavy infantry and esp cavalry get a debuff in woods, so if you have lighter troops you should fight more in woods anyway to gain an advantage.
eg a Dunland clan spearman has stats
stat_ground 1, -3, 2, 1
which means they get +1 to stats in scrub, -3 in sand, +2 in forest and +1 in snow combat modifiers, on top of the other bonuses they have in such terrain for being light infantry
So, with a primary attack of 2 that means they are 100% better at attacking in a forest compared to grassland. Which makes sense when you think about it :)
Based on my testing dunland pikes were some of the best when taking cost into account.
Wulfs pikes outshone even the first legion and fountain guard in a unique pike test for no. of kills/unit cost
And the isenmach axeman did well in Galus top 10 so they have some pretty nice units!
I loved playing as dunland, one of the most enjoyable factions. Units are great and just keeping a general in the army will make it easy to beat enedwaith. The only 2 things that annoyed me were the 1st tier of cav and archer took 2 turns to create when stats aren't that great and that gynd is part of the unite the clan script, as isengard will get there before you and arent keen to sell it to you. But not to leave the comment on a bad note, a great faction to play as.
You can try to take some Rohan land and exchange Gynd for it or pay some crazy amount for it
@@TheShanewashere I didnt have the funds to attack rohan so I just had to cheat money to buy off of isengard towards end of campaign
i've been playing this mod for quite a while, Enedwaith and Dunland are two of my favorite factions. they take the spam of Mordor or Moria and throw in some actually decent missile troups and reliable infantry, especially with Dunlands pikes (rip Enedwaith pikemen), their ability to quickly and steadily supply cheat and useful units makes them very powerful steamroller factions in the later game.
My favorite faction. :)
So one thing I notice a lot is that the AI gets stuck next to Tharbad a lot. They send units trying to get to the other side of the river (mainly Endewaith does this) and they will pile up next to Tharbad. Diplomats of various factions also do this. I mainly noticed this in my Breeland campaign when I was allied with Endewaith. It also happened in my Rohan campaign and I couldn't take Tharbad from Dunland because there were so many neutral Endewaith armies surrounding the city.
I just started a dunland campaign for the first time and I'm just now realizing how cool their campaign music is
@Thomas Eubanks im not sure but it fits the theme well
@Thomas Eubanks Most of them come from Viking
I mean Viking which is a serie
I love playing as Dunland. I think they're amazing.
I used a lot of Dunlending Berserkers and Pikemen in my N. Dunedain campaign. Pretty much any time they were available, I trained them.
Dunland was the first faction I played with way back in DaC. They are definitely fun and everything depends on how you play it, diplomacy-wise. If you play just as the regular way, they are quite easy, maybe a 2. But if you backstab Isengard definitely harder but more fun.
I edited the unit replenishment and max available stats to nearly triple what they start with for each faction and Dunland continuously spew the guardians and I both hate it and love it because of their fantastic look.
I feel the Dunland roster could really use a jav-cav unit, which would make sense both as their raider style, but also as one of the best answers to cavelry, thereby giving Dunland another ace against Rohan.
Isengard to me has the most visually satisfying armor upgrades. Furthermore, keeping the ring as Saruman is by far the most fun I’ve had playing dac
hi galu! long time total war fan here, i'm actually starting with the lord of the rings thanks to you and your team. keep on kicking ass, love you
I just finished a Dol Guldur campaign, and I can definitely confirm the AI prioritizes targeting your javelin units. My basic javelin unit, the Dol Guldur Scouts, constantly melted under any and all enemy arrow fire, even though I tried my best to maneuver them into good positions. Ultimately, they served the early game as line infantry because it was useless for me to spend all the effort to move them around the field.
Warchanters are especially good in those tight battles where you don't know if you are going to win, then they make your troops to fight more akin to the last man and also if you don't bring a general to a fight.
Your troops don't tend to run away... To be fair, Galu, you tend to play factions with better morale than Dunland and Enedwaith :D
To be fair Dunland troops got overall better morale than most other Wildmen nations.
I needed a Warchanter in every one of my Enedwaith army. They were very useful when I started going toe to toe with Isengard and were pretty useful when I was battling through other Wildmen.
I think it was a dev video or the like for Rome II total war, either Franks or Saxons introduction if I remember right. I think the guy gave an at least vague if not better explanation of what a terrain bonus does. This is a childhood memory though, could be misremembering
Dunland is one of my favorite factions, good cost effective pikes + good shock cavalry = a Macedonian type of play style.
A top ten spear video for the next top ten
The thing with javelin units being targeted more is real. Playing Gondor right now and every time I bring Mariners into battle they just get immediatly targeted by all the enemy archers
That or they get charged by infantry. The AI really seems to prioritise javelin units.
*The head of the mod team talks poorly about the Dunlending Horsemen*
*I look over at my Isengard campaign*
“No, no, he’s wrong! He doesn’t mean it. I love you! You helped me crush Gondor and Rohan and you took out whole units of Territorial Guardsmen by yourselves! You all look so handsome in the Isengard armor I gave you! Please stop crying, guys! I love you so much!”
Good sunday to you!
Idk about y’all about I almost always rush Enedwaith and Dunland playing as nearby factions because this region is free real estate and use it to boost my economy. Dunland later on is a little bit more powerful but not a major threat.
10:40
.... I can't tell if you're joking but that's not really a joke. for the price and the tier and the fact that you get them from an income producing building, those are one of the best units in the game. I have used them to incredible effect. And, they can be upgraded. They are only particularly vulnerable to missiles.
Dunland is such an underrated faction. If they didn't have building restrictions I'm pretty sure they'd be alot more popular.
dunland is the most powerful of the wild men. and with the pike and wolf spam you easily stand up to the civilized factions. i wish there was a scrip which gave you more tech if you conquered more advanced factions or took some important settlement.
I have a proposal for a Dunland script but I dont know if its possible. The impression I got from the book and films is that there is an old grudge against Rohan. So I would propose something called the blood-feud system: if you score a (heroic) victory against Rohan (and Bree) a blood feud is settled and one of the families would repay you for settling it, giving you a small income gold amount. If you (heavily) lose a battle against Rohan (and Bree) then another blood feud is added, enraging your population and thereby granting you a (weak) military unit. Again, I dont know if this is possible through scripts and maybe it could use some variety and expansion, I jusr feel like the grudge and anger against the people around you could be a feature to explore.
I think that one of the reason people do not play as Dunland often is because they are not that recognizable and appealing as other factions which appear more focused in the movies and the books. The other reason is that they are just a human faction, which is akin to most other Total War games and the base vanilla Medieval 2, and not as exotic as say elves or dwarves or even the humans of the eastern factions.
IF Enedwaith & Dunland is merged into one is probably dope could give gondor/HE/Rohan a pain they never feel before and if i could familiarize myself with both factions i probably can manage to go to war with Gondor and the HE at the same time.
But dunland on its own is fine too and with me being stuck at home i managed to play every single faction in the mod and similar with mordor i learn to appreciate how each faction adapt to their enemies and thus your playstyle too
Yeah I made the mistake of fighting Dunland as Khazad Dum late in the game without archers and just trusting in my armor stat I would not recommend doing so as the berserkers and Isenach axemen made me pay dearly for my hubris
One thing I find out of place with both Dunland and Enedwaith is the Gaelic sounding names of generals and captains and Bhaille as well; it really feel unLOTR-like.
What names would you suggest?
@ I don't have specific suggestions however I think Welsh (but not quite Sindar if you get my drift) sounding names would fit in better, especially considering the area of ME. It's just a personal opinion. I'd be more than happy to take a look at a list of names though if you're interested, although if you're not that's fine also!
@ Poopoo Village
Keep up the good work!
Have you thought about making Guardians of Dunland a hybrid archer/spearmen? To make them distinct from Orthanc guards
Hello, i think that the terrain bonus has something to do with their stamina, because it can be harder to fight in the cold air that fills your lungs or the dry air from the dessert. Just an idea
I like superior nations yes, but I do not just sit there and just ram my units into the enemy, I do like to set up my units tactically and stuff
My one issue with Dunland is that the unite the clan event requires you to take an Isengard(Gynd)? town to gain the Guardians of Dunland unit. Kinda ironic that one needs to betray Isengard to get Saruman to give you his best armour.
My favorite strategy is to peace with breeland at the start and gain some $$. Then go through Tharbad and head west to Argond and then hit Suduri before Enedwaith takes it. After that go north and gain those northern rebel towns and then stop at the dwarven/orc mining town. The trick is to now trade towns with Enedwaith and get their best towns like Balorn, Lond daer, dol vorn, and heuort. After doing that their armies are confused and you can easily take them out by turn 30ish . Dunland's economy should be able churn out endless units too take on isengard and breeland at the same time.
I totally didn't hear smth completely different when you first mentioned the faction leader
Everytime I have played qn evil nation Rohan kills Isengard, and everytime I play a good nation Isengard kills Rohan. This is just a coincidence but its just intresting that it's happened so many times.
is that because by playing evil nation you mean playing isengard and by playing good nation, you mean playing rohan? :D :D
Interesting... Everytime I play, despite the faction, Rohan is steamrolled by Isengard, which usually also steamrolls Lórien in the first 70 turns.
I’ve started playing dunleand
This 1 is my favorite next to Angmar
You should make it so that guardians can be trained from Orthanc, it make sanse from the lore of the unit and it is a little buff if you backstab Isengard.
14:34 honestly i Love playing as "Savage Tribe" type of factions defeating bigger factions, satisfaction of peasant killing "High Born knight" type, with an Axe ahh ! shame this engine cant support more factions, imagine uniting 25-30 tribes battle royal insted of 2 tribes fight. shame Rome 2 cant be changed to be TATW insted of Javelin simulator.. like i saw Attila TA mod bath thare is no campaing map.. if just CA would give full mod support tools and stuf. Love this Mod, much love from Serbia
9:03 Bob isn't called "the Builder" for nothing Galu. Don't diss him like this!
Great work once again, Galu! May I ask where that poll on favourite factions is so I can vote as well if it's not already over? I haven't seen it...
It ended on Friday evening.
Ah, what a shame. I would've cast my vote for Enedwaith, though it probably wouldn't have helped them from the bottom where you mentioned them ^^
In my Dunland playthrough I decided to side with good factions, kill Goblins and Isengard. Have easily defeated Enedwaith, killed off Bree, now getting ready for Goblins. Campaign is one of the best I ever played.
You should add Danheim's channel to the ones that provide the music for Dunland and Enedwaith since both factions have songs of his.
I hate those unwashed bastards. I play Khazad Dum, just got rid of the Moria Goblins, moved my armies north to attack the Snow Orcs and they attack me. I have to move all the way back, conquer some of their settlements and then I offer them one back for peace. They accept, I march north again to continue my war on the Orcs and THEY BACKSTAB ME AGAIN!!!! Leave me alone! I just want to check those sweet custom Snow Orc settlements!
Dunland is as hard as you make it, you often border gondor, lindon and some dwarves, the campaign can be hard if you go to war with them, if you don't its easy
For me Dunland and Enedwaith are the most enjoyable factions
I love dunland!
I'm somewhat surprised you haven't mentioned Khazad-dûm, as they really don't like Dunland and they can suddenly appear with armies marching through Dunland's heartland (especially since the player doesn't usually have to watch their part of the map very much).
What happens if the ai reaches its victory conditions? In my angmar campaign the dunlendings are very powerful. And I saw a message warning about the domination of dunland so I suppose they are at 30 regions or near. Bree and Rohan are dead. Can I lose the campaign like that?
I dont think I have ever seen Rogan win in all of my campaigns
Enedwaith disliked!? Insanity.
I love the little guys, and I never play the OP knightly factions.
if were talking about saving unit space perhaps you should cut enedwaiths trash tier and have both share the "clan" units
As a Bree main I must say,
*Haaaaaaaatttteeeee*
Question to Galu and the community. Is it possible as Dunland to take the One Ring to Imladris?
Why make Guardians of Dunland a unit-type clone of Orthanc Guard? I get that thematically Isengard send suits of armor (and the models are great), but it seems a waste of a slot to have 2 exact copies of spearmen. Maybe possible to make the Dunland one axemen or something? Maybe spearmen w javs? idk, just seems a waste to have spearmen clones, so to make em a bit different in terms of their unit-type. Although the models are fantastic and should be preserved
As I said in the video, we currently are not in need of slots so it is a moot point.
Fair enough! I'll admit I typed that comment before I had reached that bit at the end of the vid
And I also just did a simulation between isenmach ace men and smiths of Eregion and the isenmarch axemen won
Honest question... Why is the Gondorian/Amrothian and Dunedain "faith" called Dunedain? Wouldn't it make more sense for it to be Numenorean?
Its the same thing. Dunedain means man of the West.
Well... "government" and most of the numenor people became evil. Sooo...
Dunedain or Faithful are better
Rohan beat Isengard with Piotr's Campaign AI
Piotr's AI?
@@RJALEXANDER777 yep
@@RJALEXANDER777 check the DAC user submods channel on the Discord
How build advanced blacksmith?
I'm probably a little late, but i still hope someone sees this...
Does anyone know the tracklist for the music used with the Dunlendings and Enedwaith, because i love the Music there, but couldn't figure out what the tracks are called...
I searched the channels linked in the description, but i want exactly the ones used in the mod and cant find them sadly...
Try Danheim's channel as both Dunland and Enedwaith use his songs but Galu doesn't list him in the description. One song that i know for sure both factions share and have uploaded it on my channel is Danheim - Forn Elding.
Idk why but I love pushing these fools around lol
Ar arduin is my favourite numerean faction please tell me you you guys didnt remove them
Has anyone ever united the tribes without going to war with isengard? They always take the lands on my southern border in the first couple turns so it's impossible to take then quick enough
alot of people tend to ignore campaign objectives and just roleplay the faction they play (regardless if its a mod or vanilla)
Notification squad?
Nah random checking RUclips squaf
same
Yes
Do Dunland still have the script where they gain various buildings/units as they increase in faction ranking? Or has that been removed in 4.5?
Do i need to delete my previous version of DaC to be able to play version 4.5?
Would be much appreciated if your modding team would cut some of the multitude of units spawning for enemies (especially when you attack important cities) , and also reduce the number of troops spawning after conquering the capital/having 2 regions left... It s annoying to play with Dunland, roll over Isengard with an early tier army, but then 2/3 stacks of elite troops spawn for Isengard, and you are basically... Fked up
So if one attacks Isengard and then completes the script uniting the clans (or the other way round), Saruman still recognizes the power of Dunland and sends assistance to them with more troops that can be used to defeat him? The story behind the script is a bit off.
Isengard could have sent the assistance before they were attacked but it took time for the Dunlendings to get the soldiers trained and ready to fight.
Can you still get guardians if you are at war with isengard?
How do you show the region's detail in campaign? When you scroll over and it says the region's name
Hold right click
@@Medik_0001 oh, never thought of that as it's how you move troops, thank you gentleman!
Ahhh Dunland, Middle-Earth's Palestine
How?
@@colmoe Because what is now Rohan was originally their home, the ancestors of the Rohirrim drove them out and claimed that land (Calenardhon) as their own. Being a Wildman sucks in LOTR, you get misunderstood and kicked around by literally everyone else because you're not 'civilized'.
@@baconcommando2454 I mean not really. The Rohirrim were given the province of Calenhardhon by Gondor who ruled it at the time. In between the Rohirrim arriving and the Gondorians departing the Dunlendings occupied Isengard.
The true enmity comes from when Helm killed Freca after he tried to force a marriage between his son Wulf and Helm's daughter.
Wulf then led an army reinforced by other enemies of Gondor and occupied Rohan. That's where the believe that the Dunlandings were the true owners of Rohan comes from.
Eventually of course they were driven out of Rohan and eventually starved out of Isengard too.
@@thomassaxon8254 Gondor didn't really 'own' the land at all. Sure, they had that land marked on their maps, but they had no cities or standing garrisons in those lands, and almost entirely abandoned them during the Watchful Peace. Heck, some of the Dunlendings are descendants of the original Gondorian garrison of Isengard who intermarried with the Wild men because everyone else forgot about them. If anyone has a claim to those lands it would at least be them.
@@baconcommando2454 that doesn't account for Rohan, only Isengard.
And even Isengard is iffy- if in a moment of weakness say Norway rocked up and occupied the Isle of Sheppey for 20-50 years does that mean that the Norwegians or their comingled descendents have the right to the place?
As for Calenhardhon- the Scottish Highlands are sparsely populated and have never had garrisons in them. Does that mean they're not part of Scotland or the UK?
I more like guardians of dunland like visual becoas they have capes Isengard Orthanc Guard don't have Capes
The Rohan vs Isengard balance depends on Enedwaith. If Enedwaith doesnt attack isengard within the first 40 turns, Rohan gets steamrolled. If enedwaith attacks Isengard, then Rohan steamroller isengard until they are left with only Isengard and they hold out forever with that one settlement.
Do you still get some of the ened roster once you unite dunland?
Yes
Dunland is a 7 out of 5 difficulty. =]
Building restrictions are a big drawback imo. You can always force people to build massive stone structures, especially when you reach the point of being one of the strongest and influential factions. All it does is arbitrarily limiting the potential of a certain faction in a scenario where it's all about alternative "history".
Galu did you watch yesterdays FA cup final??
all they building pictures are from total war rome celtic\german tribes nations(which is kinda boring tbh). i think Dunland is one of the most underdeveloped factions both in terms of military strength and placement on the map. Since the AI is predictable its still possible to win the game with them and even defeat like gondor\mordor and what not, but it's extremely tiresome and boring. And almost impossible to maintain peace\alliance with enedhwaith which always end up in war. Also playing isengard is always end up in war with enedhwaith even after taking the one ring from edoras(lucky spawn for my at 35 turn) and having nazgul and strong military and all of rohan territory they still don't want to ceasefire which end up with them losing in an instant couse they are too trash faction like dunedain.
I think this nation is interesting from a very far point of view(although they are really just a barbarians and pillagers) but i didn't see anything special in the game for them. But i guess it's just the limitation of the engine, if it was something like total war warhammer i would like to see dunland like a horde nation w\o capital and castles and things like that. Something like a mongolians but on the smaller scale, taking cities just for pillaging and having camps in the woods.
I dont dislike Dunland for their army or roster or location.
I dislike them because theyre the useful idiots, I actually like the barbarian feel of them but theyre just being used by Isengard and they are being duped into war.
The Andiun offers a better alternative as a barbarian faction, they fight to keep their ways and freedom. Dunland fights because a white boi told them to loot and rape and pillage and stray hairs bad, take vengeance on stray hair grrrrrr.
The only way id play Dunland is if I absorb Enedwaith, turn on Isengard and then destroy Rohan and figure things from there, but much like what keeps me from playing Harad and Rhun. I really dont like being a vassal theme wise.
I don't understand why you have tied some units to certain provinces, I love your mod but I hate this system and it's very boring!
because of this, many factions are simply not playable for me because the units that are available everywhere are just rubbish!
That is how the older games worked. Have you not played vanilla Medieval II?
@ I played enough to notice that in the original game, the units were attached only in comparison between the castle and the city!
but here for example: sauron's will squad can only be hired in barad-dur, marannon and minas morgul! WHY?
Please stop mispronouncing Gaelic names. Not here but you say "Niall" as "Ny-all". It's said as Niell. The anglized version of Niall. Besides, dunlendings struck me more Frisian.
How so?
You can’t possibly expect him to know how all of these units are pronounced.
pedantic
Ranika, I undertand your point, but comments like yours are what makes regular youtubers like Galu, (who takes time on making videos and reading comments for good feedback ) to despise RUclips and the comments on his videos.
Ah yes excuse me, let me just pause learning Italian and stop reading up on Sindarin so I can study Gaelic just so I don't annoy you on RUclips.