Jordan Peterson's Bible Rant Isn't Just Wacky, It's Completely Wrong
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2022
- --A deeper look at Jordan Peterson's nearly-unintelligible rant about "The Bible" on Joe Rogan's recent podcast
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The Bible is 100% accurate when thrown at close range.
Brilliant
Only if your aim is good enough…
Damm this joke is great 👍
@@Smartass012 Actually it was the Epic of Gilgamesh in Korea. First printed on movable type, as it was known.
@@Smartass012 - China was using wood block printing on a large scale many many centuries before the Gutenberg Bible was printed. No matter how you slice it, the Bible wasn’t the first book or first mass produced written text.
The guy went to a bible museum, obviously that makes him an expert in all things bible.
I wonder if you've listened to any of his lecture series on the bible. They are numerous and lengthy, and whether you agree with them or not.... it's shows that you know nothing about this man to pretend he pulled his opinions out of his butt after one visit to the bible museum.
There’s also a Creation museum in Kentucky.
@@k.martin28270
I've listened to college professors' lectures on the Bible, and this dunce/JBP has zero understanding. I've also studied philosophy, and his gibberish is hilarious, but got nothing to do with philosophy. He's just a sad, mentally confused grifter that cries more than a toddler. I care about facts, not whiny feelings.
Right!
@@k.martin28270 Peterson fans always pull this argument when JP faces criticism. _"You're misrepresenting him, listen to his several hour-long lectures in chronological order if you want to truly understand."_
Jordan Peterson has been referred to as "the stupid man's smart person" and the" professor of piffle"
I couldn't agree more
@@noitsnotme9036 that's good to hear! 👍
JP fanboys incoming
It's been a while since I heard him speak. I'm surprised by the holes he leaves in arguments. AND not in a good way. He'll pretend a word is too vague, when it isnt, and pretend another is exact and precise, when it is neither.
I watched about ten minutes of an hour long video and kept feeling the puffs of smoke being blown up my ass💨.
That's his whole spiel. He puts things in contexts that make people feel good for having selfish and anti-social ideas. It's very alluring.
Who actually said that, because honestly that’s an amazing designation for such a grifter
I love how Jordan tries to hypnotize you with his hand waving in hopes you won’t realize he’s just speaking gibberish. It’s like he’s putting on a fuckin puppet show.
I call him "fingers" , maybe swishy, gesticularhagia or something else would be better. This displacement or cover will fail for him eventually.
😆
Also the proper way he talks
Also the very idea that "It's a book made up of other books" and "it was the very first book" are mutually incompatible.
The Bible the only one that's knows what it means is the the Guy who owns it GOD
@@beedee9534 Well if that is the case then no one knows what it means because biased humans wrote it and changed it thousands of times.
@@beedee9534 God only knows means nobody knows because nobody knows what god knows
Old testament is old, but not that old. New testament was written by Constantine.
There were definitely books prior to that.
@@beedee9534 So, your imaginary god didn't write it so we would understand what he wanted of us?
Wow... that was pointless.
Never confuse 'fast talkers' with intelligence. Exhibit A: Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro..
Ben Shapiro speaks like a little puppet on steroids!
@@marionopisso212 You mean a puppet on helium, I think.
@@raghailligh1080 That too!!
They both live by the art of using many words to say nothing at all.
And also never confuse talk loudest with confidence/righteous.
"Not just wacky, but completely wrong"? That could describe many of Peterson's opinions.
Peterson and Rogan are both "legends in their own minds."
That depends on how you define "legend" and "mind".
So true, as a progressive, I find both very entertaining.
Or as we say in the UK: A legend in their own lunchtime.......
Big fish in the smallest of small ponds?
joe once admitted to being a moron, it would be fitting for peterson to do the same.
Not his field.... again
He's just there for political reasons.
Does he have a field?
If he had just stayed in psychology, he would have fared better.
Jordan Peterson has reached his final form: A Batman Villain
He is more like a side character that you can see in a straitjacket in the corner of arkham asylum when the joker escapes.
Yes, Deacon Blackfire.
Just quote Tim Dillon if you are going to take his joke.
Oh you mean the penguin from Batman he's been missing for a while on his diet now he's back
Jordan : a stone, is also a soap and thats why the Sopranos ended like it did. Jordan fans : wow, now it all makes sense
The more I hear from Jordan Peterson the more it’s apparent he very much overestimates his own intelligence.
Anyone, who claims to understand Peterson, lacks understanding.
I dont know. Petersons got a PHD and lived long enough to acquire considerable knowledge . Im going to spend more time trying to ingest what hes saying then some young youtuber.
@@jdog7982 you lack the understanding that age doesn't necessarily equate to understanding. good luck in life!
@@jdog7982 Well, you have no swelling or grammar skills, why do you think YOU have a better understanding than David? Dunning-Kruger maybe?
@@jdog7982 he thinks climate change and Covid are plots to impose communism. You could just do Alex Jones and have a lot more fun with it honestly.
@@annieqcrowley2680 swelling or grammar skills lol nice flex there
Him and Joe never stop talking about things they’re uneducated in. It’s truly amazing.
Narcissism is a hell of a drug.
"Trust the science" coming from individuals who don't understand it... Oh the irony
@@lucboy13
Yup, Canadian truckers, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson. The list is long.
What truly amazing is how scared democrats are of people with a different view than them!!!
@@lucboy13
so let's believe people that are not scientists? lol
I’m not saying this to be mean, I say this in all honesty; I think Jordan suffered brain damage during his drug “rehab.” A lot of people don’t fully recover from comas. I’m an OT who works with patients with dementia. If he came to me, I would consider a cognitive screen
I agree fully. I have no medical background, but IMO he is severely diminished in this state compared to a few years back. His mind just seems incredibly clouded and chaotic in a way it didn't use to. Like he's snatching thoughts out of the air as they fly past him in his mind. It really seems like he's constantly just baaaarely able to keep himself from just stumbling into new lines of thought and forgetting his arguments etc. It's not JUST a word salad, there's something more to it. He didn't use to be this dimwitted.
@@vgaportauthority9932 -the term you’re looking for is “tangential thought.” And yes, his thinking is very tangential. This particular video also has him exhibiting confabulation; I think he made “the Bible is the oldest book” comment on the spot, mis-remembering some previous info he had learned about the Bible being one of the first MASS PRODUCED books.
@@Phreemunny I'm an NP who works with a lot of dementia patients, and it doesn't strike me as much as cognitive decline as stringing together a bunch of concepts in a semi-congruent way to sell it to a bunch of rubes who know less than he does about the topics on which he speaks. He has two agendas, and he always has. To whit: 1) to defend traditional hierarchies, and 2) (and probably the bigger goal) to make money. I don't think it's cognitive impairment. I think it's just good old fashion grifting. He's just a charlatan literally selling people stuff they want to hear.
@@jaybleu6169 Yup. Money. The Koch brothers, mainly.
This is a common pattern with NPD. They get some brain trauma later in life that emboldens the underlying emotional-personality thing so bystanders are left theorizing and gaslighting themselves, chalking the whole personality up to the single traumatic event as a convenient and simple narrative.
Jordan Peterson is one of the leading intellectuals among meathead dudebros like Joe Rogan.
INTERESTING YOU SHOULD CRITICIZE PEOPLE LIKE JOE & JORDAN WITH ALL THEIR COMMON SENSE & COMBINED INTELLIGENCE WHIST LISTEN TO SOMEONE LIKE DAVID PAKMAN WHO SPEAKS SO MANY LIES & SO MUCH STUPIDITY!!
@@wesleygordon1645 Wow, you must be serious and smart. To decide that EVERY word is shout-from-the-rooftops important? Wow, just like wow, bro, I have SOOOO much respect for you now.
That's what you want, right? 'Cause no one you personally interact with respects you? So you need to demand it on a RUclips thread from strangers? Poor widdle man.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Rogan takes his Bible study from Jordan Peterson with the same fervor that he takes parenting advice from Adrian Peterson.
@@wesleygordon1645 WHOA MAN YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS WITH SUBTLETY AND A CONVINCING ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!
@@wesleygordon1645
Wow, you write like someone recovering from brain damage. In a year or ten you'll be good.
I actually feel bad for Peterson. He's clearly in the throes of addiction.
I think he's low-level bipolar.
nah, thats just how he is
@@littlebitofhope1489 Bi-polar disorder is when someone cycles between depression and mania (an excitable, energized state).
@@Schweighsr those 'cycles' don't happen before your very eyes or even from one day to the next. He is high.
@@georgesprat9697 That would honestly explain so much. Hypomanic. :/
Aren't an accountant's ledgers called "books"? Weren't the Sumerians keeping "books" on clay tablets, in cuniform, 6000 years ago?
Absolutely not. They used Excel spreadsheets back then. Peterson is my incel lord daddy and he's 200% right and the smartestess
Egyptians hieroglyphics go back to at least 3000 BCE and definitely has extended text
Let’s be charitable and assume he means printed books…because even then he’s wrong since the first printed book was a Buddhist book!
@@danieltobin4498 So he must mean the first book massed produced by a movable type printing press in a vernacular that someone like himself could read.
They weren't called "books" until long, LONG after the invention of the tome; what a book actually is.
It almost sounds like he’s misinterpreting Nietzsche’s philological discourse about the Old Testament.
Over thinkers seem to blow their minds with mental illness and dementia like Nietzsche and looks like Jordan Peterson too.
@@sunshineinarizona1726 😂 😂 😂
Since you mentioned Nietzsche, I’d like to point out that Peterson misrepresents him practically every time he mentions him. Nietzsche was for whatever makes man stronger, as an individual and a species. He saw Christianity as rotten from the very beginning because he thought it nursed man’s weaknesses and atrophied his strengths. And yet according to Peterson Nietzsche was in despair over the “death of God” and thought that institutionalized Christianity, despite its flaws, was better than no faith at all. And I don’t know if Peterson has misread Nietzsche or deliberately mischaracterized him (though I increasingly suspect the latter).
@@jacerivera7907 yep. Peterson likes to call Nietzsche a “genius”, toss out a reference in which he misconstrues him, and then ultimately say that Nietzsche was wrong about what was probably his most important point: creating and living up to our own values.
Great thread. But perhaps he's struggling to maintain his intellectual dishonesty.
He just waves his arms around like that adds substance to what he’s saying.
And his magic fingers! Can't forget those....
Unfortunately it seems to work on his fans. Hell, he's not the only "leader" of that crowd that waves their arms around.
@@FakingANerve Are you referring to the Trumptards by any chance?LOL
Congratulations, David! You must be doing something right to have the crazies coming after you.
YUP!!! Peterson’s puppets are insufferably infantile.
@@Maggie-zr2ow I don’t know if they’re dangerous, but there does seem to be at least a faction of them who are desperate, cultish, & looking for a father figure to tell them how to live.
Lol, Alex Jones is going after David.
This damn Bible is going to be the end of us.
For sure if you don’t believe it, it will be the end of you
One things for sure. You can't argue or debate a religious person. All you can do is listen and agree. If they are the graceful type they might allow you to express your objections as long as you agree with them afterward.
@@PhilLesh69 insincere flattery will profit you nothing. Each one of us will stand before God and will give an account of our lives. Rejecting His offer of forgiveness, through the death of His Son, will determine your final destination.
@@mikem3789 Your God is beyond cruel and sadistic! Leaving behind all the population of this world who never heard of his name. Read the story of the good samaritan and even better, the New Testament, then you'll understand that your theory is even rejected by your own God!
@@Maggie-zr2ow it’s not love to give someone a false hope. If you have a cancer that will kill you (sin) you want a Doctor to tell you the truth. Denial will not make the cancer go away. God is love for sure. But He is also a God of justice. Seek Him while he may found.
JP: “the Bible is the first book in human history”
JP 30 seconds later: “the Bible isn’t a book, it’s a library” …?
Grandiose statements followed by a prompt moving of the goalposts… where have I heard this before?
He also said it’s not a book, it’s a combination of books- immediately followed by saying it was the first book. 🤔
This is what stupid ppl think is "smart." More like S-M-R-T 🤣🤣
The Bible it literally the first book.
But is actually a library.
Because it’s made up of many books.
But they don’t count as books because they are not the Bible.
So the Bible is the first book.
Nailed it like Jesus.
@@CuddlesTheSlayer the Bible is not very old, there were thousands of books before the ,Bible
Jordan Peterson turning into Deepak Chopra, Dazzling his audience with nonsense.
Jordan has a long way to go before he reaches Deepak Chopra level of word salad. . Deepaka word salad is legendary and it would take a talented person to get there, although Sarah Palin would give old Deepak a run for his money.
Lobster guy confusing things again, including himself. Who could have guessed?
Yes, he's confused. Now, please don't make me defend Jordan Peterson, but isn't he just saying that the Gutenberg Bible was the first mass-produced book of Western literature? In this much he's more or less correct.
Having said that, he seems to be drawing a LOT of conclusions from that one idea. Just because the Bible was being printed does not mean every peasant could order one from medieval Amazon. They were significantly cheaper than hand-scribed copies, but still only affordable to institutions and the very wealthy.
The significance of the Bible - regardless of ones feelings on the content - does not lie in it being "in many ways the first book." To say he's confused is generous, I think.
@@MarcillaSmith that is not what he is saying though. Listen to him again. He is not talking about it being the first mass-produced book.
@@MarcillaSmith Who the hell knows what he’s trying to say? He certainly doesn’t seem too. Why put much effort into trying to figure it out?
It's the history of the book not the bible is what he says.
@@MarcillaSmith you must also be confused, cause no one’s forcing you to do anything here… why exactly do you feel so compelled to defend this asshole’s poorly thought out Freudian psychoanalytic grift?
Might I hazard to guess it’s got something to do with your relationship with your father 🙄
There was a debate video I watched on RUclips as to wether the Bible is accurate. Jordan Peterson took the position that it was and Sam Harris took the position that the Bible was full of blatant inaccuracies. Jordan went into "word salad mode" as Sam Harris destroyed him in that debate.
@@thecondchannel
Tries these 2
ruclips.net/video/HK5M1BrQeG8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/EHQv1prRCp8/видео.html
JP is always in "word salad mode". While the Sam Harris debate is a great watch, Harris is not really interested in winning "debates" so much as having discussions. It is best watched if you are interested in hearing what Harris has to say about christianity (which you should).
The Dillahunty debate with JP exposed JP as a fraud more effectively than Harris did, since Harris simply wouldn't follow down the rabbit holes like Dillahunty can. Both are highly recommended.
@@burningmiseryThanks for providing these links.
History geek here. I agree 100% with David. Sadly, the "illiterati" are among us. Actually, I think they out number us.
No David is technically wrong. First of all a hand made book is called a codex. A book is printed on a printing press. And the first book Gutenberg printed was the Bible in 1455. Also the word Bible comes from the Latin word Bibliotheca meaning library in English.
@@dribrom the word "bible" is in fact derived from the Greek "bíblos" which literally mean "book", not library. The word codex is derived from the Latin "caudex", which literally means "book". All modern books are technically codices, though colloquially the word is used to refer to ancient texts in particular. Historically speaking, the first books that we do know of emerge in the second millennium BCE. Playing semantics isn't going to change the fact that Jordan Peterson is an insufferable, pseudointellectual, imbecile.
@@hailcthulhu419 damn you slammed him hard 😂🍻
@@hailcthulhu419 ouchies for codices guy
@@dribrom I give you a D+ for effort. Your participation trophy is in the mail! :)
"Just figured this out this week" ... literally made me lol ... dunno why but it's hilarious.
He really is just throwing anything and everything together as he finds out about it and then presenting his worldview as if he had it all figured out well in advance.
When Peterson says literally, he means it in a nonstandard way. He has such weird, wonky, confused definitions.
His definitions of topics such as Christian, god, etc, are so tortured, that I think he has managed to confuse himself.
Watch his discussion with Matt Dillahunty to see this in action.
That conversation made it clear to me how Jordan Peterson approaches evidence. I would absolutely second the recommendation.
When he says literally, he means like in literature, like a book, like the Bible, which was literally the first book, like in literature, like a book, like the Bible, ...
The Dillahunty talk is the one that any person curious about Peterson needs to see. Matt is not only a plain spoken, great communicator, he is highly skilled at following the continuous rabbit-holing that Peterson is a master of. JP was totally exposed there. Also, while Matt showed patience and respect the entire time, the surprise ending is well worth waiting for.
I can't believe how uniformed Peterson came off in that talk. He literally did the "Hitler, Stalin, Mao" criticism of atheism. That's like middle school nonsense.
You mean to tell me yet another Christian knows nothing about his professed religion? Wow, no kidding.
If davids so smart why didn't he tell us what the first book was?
I heard from a fan of his that he was not a Christian, but a “sympathizer”. Once when asked if he believed in God, he said, “No, but I’m afraid he probably exists”. J.P. is not a Christian. Just because you don’t agree with him (I sure don’t) doesn’t mean he is an Evangelical Christian! 😀
Peterson doesn't even claim to be a Christian. He's just a conservative who thinks mythology and religion is socially useful.
@@joelrivard5598 NOT your bible. End of. Look it up.
@@joelrivard5598 The Epic of Gilgamesh is the usual answer (though there may be older texts still that we're still unaware of), with surviving fragments from ~1800 BCE.
Jordan Peterson talking shit and being wrong on religion?
Also, water: wet.
Water isn't wet though.
Peterson's interview was shocking when he said the Bible was the one "book" given the Egyptians wrote books millenia prior to Christ's birth. Peterson's research skills are poor.
If we're talking about "libraries," I'd suggest the library at Alexandria, built roughly 240+ years BCE, would count as predating the "library" that is "the Bible," since many of the books in the Bible were written after that time.
And was Peterson trying to say anthology? A collection of writings combined in to one book? A single book is not a library.
@@TheJesselopez1981 JP probably just has an idiosyncratic definition of "book", "library", "first", and "written".
@@LETSTALKENTERTAINMENT
No wonder Western society is fukked up when it's based on books about rape, genocide & incest, and books by pederasts.
How anyone can listen to Peterson for more than 30 seconds and not want to bash their own head in with a hammer is astounding. Even this short clip was painful.
@Sean Embry :-)
@Sean Embry 😆
Well, there's the Smooth Brain Derp-Plorables. But they don't care about fact. They just like to be told tidbits that equate to bumper sticker slogans, so they can regurgitate to "own the libs".
helps to have over 80 iq..
@Despize Perform .. no i mean like, if you have low IQ it will hurt your head to listen to it..
like it must just come across as white noise, or like on a cartoon when someone explains something complicated, then the other character just sees their mouth move with womp womp noises coming out.
its probably not iq really.. maybe.. just you have no frame of refence, like starting on page 200 of a 500 page book.
everyone else in the class simply didn't reject the first 200 pages - hence they can follow where it's at now.
Jordan can be sort of glad that Hitchens isn't around these days..
Dawkins would wipe the floor with him. As Zizek did.
Jordan only exists because Hitchens is gone. We have no one who can laugh people out of the room anymore. And Jordan only debates with people who treat him with silk gloves... And "politeness" is now somehow a virtue. Laughable.
@@vgaportauthority9932 Well, I think Matt Dillahunty roasted Jordan quite severely... but Hitch would burn Jordan alive so to speak, be the topic religion or Marx
@@Hirnlego999
He'd force the poor guy into suicide.
I feel like he tried to include everything in his brand -- philosopher, political pundit, psychologist, self-help guru, religious scholar -- and just snapped.
You forgot new age nutritionist and carnivore aficionado
If you really wanna understand The Lobster, you gotta start with the recognition he’s selling a brand.
The tuxedo itself says something about his mental state.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs well if he had a flashlight he could be an usher at a movie theater in the 1950s … which would be the same decade his opinions are from ….
@@Darkstarr-ud2go 😂
This is called "mental masturbation", folks. Lol.
Isn't that when you get a girl stuck in your head? 😏
The first book ever written was The Epic of Gilgamesh, 2100 BC.
I'd say it's the first story written. The first book ever written is probably a merchant counting something.
@@chaty9903 Exactly. The first books were accounting records. How much grain in storage for the winter.
@@evertvdb000 Accountants are always " ahead of the curve" .
Bible thumpers: "Heresy!!!"
Literally not a book. Book is not synonymous with "fiction story". A book is SPECIFIC kind of collating writings, using a binding. That is what makes a book a book.
As someone who studied religion, cultures and history. I hate when ppl like Peterson speak on topics they have zero knowledge on. And spread misinformation and lies.
1455: The Gutenberg Bible (in Latin) was the first book printed in and for the western world with movable metal type, by Johannes Gutenberg. And Peterson was referring to that
@@ALBIZURES No, no he wasn't and no that isn't the first book in any way. There was complete Christian bibles in Latin since the 3rd century AD, Peterson speaks as if he is an expert in everything but he is an expert in very little.
@@ALBIZURES NO. How many times have you posted this response ffs! Gutenberg printed other works using movable metal type two years before starting on the Bible.
@@ALBIZURES Was he? Because he never clearly articulated any such thing. To the contrary, he seemed to be insisting that at some very early point in our history (long before Jesus), the Bible was the only extant "book" in western culture, which it certainly never was, in any format.
Regardless, limiting the definition of "book" to "bound volume printed using movable type", is a pretty random thing to do, and it's definitely not a qualification Peterson suggested -- his generalization was grand, sweeping and unqualified. It accords neither with the historical meaning of the English word "book", nor the current understanding of the word. It's especially silly to shoe-horn "movable type" into the requirement. There were various books being printed in the 15th century before Gutenberg printed his Bible, but they used full-page block-cuts of the text, rather than moveable type.
some people can study something their whole lives and know less than someone who spends 5 minutes on it..
I love that this whole thing starts with "I went to a bible museum and it was really cool." LOL
How many stupid things does Jordan Peterson need to say before his defenders will accept that he's not intelligent?
He's intelligent. But he also says stupid things sometimes, especially on the topic of religion.
Peterson is actually correct here. The Odyssey was not a book. A book is a SPECIFIC form of collecting writings. If it is not bound within a tome, it is not a book.
When this guy starts the conversation with "the Bible was literally the first book" and ends the conversation with, "the Bible wasn't a book", he might be full of shit.
JP is a fairly straightforward transparently full of shit grifter… he’s a professor of and licensed therapist in Freudian psychoanalysis… so everything he’s saying as a professional and educator is based on the presumption that literally everyone wants to kill one of their parents, fuck the other then take a massive dump on someone’s chest and that this is the “natural order”… everything else spilling out his word hole is cookie-cutter self-help platitudes (like you’d expect from a therapist) sprinkled with social Darwinism (for the more intellectual closet racists) and grandiose references to Joseph Campbell and the mono-myth (to appeal to sci-fi/fantasy & comic book nerds).
@@chazblank2717 as a comicbook nerd myself, I can safely say that will never happen
The fact that this guy can convince conservatives he's smart is really sad and humorous to me.
Fooling, confusing or just outsmarting conservatives is like winning a game of racquetball against Helen Keller. HUGELY satisfying and effortlessly easy.
@@jeffbaer5851
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fook you, I pulled a muscle lol-ing.
Like shooting fish in a barrel. A tiny fish sized barrel with the fish tied down to the side where there is a small viewport of the side of the fish. You are also wielding a howitzer.
He’s defining a book by the form it takes now. As you rightly say, in places like China, Greece, Rome and many others, books were written on scrolls. That doesn’t make them any less than what we have now. They just weren’t leaves of paper or vellum bound together. Before that, there were the stone cylinder type books, that could be reproduced on wet clay. I don’t know the history of the Torah, but I’m assuming there were copies of it made in pre-Christian times. I learned in school that westerners learned the art of printing from the Chinese, so, presumably, they were printing books for centuries before we were.
Jordan Peterson strikes me as someone who has a high opinion of his own intelligence, but has a limited ability to process what he’s observing. His mind is very narrow and it doesn’t make those intuitive leaps that broaden your knowledge and understanding. It actually makes my brain hurt a little bit. He’s incredibly patronising and seems not to be open to the opinions of others, because he thinks he has a higher understanding. Very arrogant.
The Torah in synagogues are still in scroll form. Or am i wrong?The role in wich the rabbi reads. Or kids at their Bar Mitzva?
@@Didier19592 Yes, it is. The early Christians took a liking to the codex, to the point that a form of sewed binding is named after them - Coptic binding. But the Jewish faith stuck with the scroll which didn't really die out until 6th Century.
I have listened to Peterson many times, and that's always my thought "this is just a collection of words with no particular meaning". Watch his discussions with Stephen Fry - his tone changes radically when he knows he can't get away with that crap.
That happened recently, I think also on the BBC. He said something dumb and his tone totally changed when they called him on it. I think he had a lot less to say after that.
Jordan's been talking word-salad nonsense since 2010's The Importance of Virtue.
So happy people are seeing it for themselves, now that he's back in the spotlight.
your mind doesn’t grasp the concepts. Jordan Peterson isn’t wrong and neither are you.
The gaslighting of Jordan Peterson is based on so simple tricks that it is depressing to see how many do actually fall for it.
1) Make statements that are so ambiguous that they mean one thing, its opposite and both at the same time.
2) Create such a tangled word salad that its hard to spot if it is meaningless, trivial or just nonsensical.
3) Rely of the fact that it is 10 times easier and faster to come up with bullshit than it takes to debunk it. So in a debate just do not slow down at throwing nonsense at your opponent, he will have no chance to prove you wrong fast enough.
4) Give the audience the impression that only you can understand what you are saying and they shouldn’t even try to rationalize it, because they are too stupid. He always says “This is very hard”, “I had to think about this very hard”, “This is very complex”. Rather hold it with Albert Einstein “If you can't explain it simply you don't understand it well enough”.
5) Rely on the gullibility and ignorance of your audience that they haven't the capacity to fact check you.
Using these simple tricks he just reinforces the prejudices of his right wing audience on race, science, academia in general, climate change, authoritarianism, nationalism, women’s right (or the lack thereof) and racism. They come to the conclusion “My prejudices are right and he seems to have the good reasons for them, which I, however, can’t understand, because he is such an f..ing genius”. His latest trick is the “Christian contingent”. Under Trump we have seen the union of far right wing tropes with white Christian nationalism and radicalism. Accordingly, he now is fully invested in God, the bible, morality and Christian supremacy.
Looking at his metal instability, he pays a terrible price for his grifting fraud. He is a snake oil salesman and he knows it very well, which throws him into this manic depressive state, where he is about to cry about nearly anything he is talking about.
Excellent comment!
The fact that he was on Joe Rogan gives an exact measurement of how much credibility he has. Two hacks sitting in an echo chamber.
I think that's rather unfair considering the other people Rogan has had on his show.
Lawrence Krauss, Elon Musk, Trevor Valle, John Danaher, Brian Cox, Sean Caroll, David Sinclair etc.
These guys are not idiots and have a ton a credibility in their given fields.
Two hacks sitting in an echo chamber smelling their own farts.
And I’m sure it had nothing to do with Ethan Klein having recently criticized both and being called out by them and their fans 🙄😂
i rarely listen to joe rogan's crap, but i wouldn't say joe is in an echo chamber. from what i've listened to, it seems that joe lets people bullshit all they want and basically never stops them. occasionally he'll throw in his opinion but he'll never stop a person and correct them even when they say something that is blatantly false. whether or not that's good or bad is a personal opinion, but to me that seems to be the case.
He's definitely not a hack, I mean he's got some serious chops when it comes to his actual skill set and area of expertise. But I think that's the problem. I think he's a) drink a little too much of his own cool aid, and b) is arguably talking outside of his expertise due to the nature of a casual chat... But I personally don't think that's an excuse for someone who speaks in such straight forward ways and knows that millions hang on his every word. But yeah, he's not exactly a hack. Trump is a hack. Jordan Peterson is just off the mark on a few things.
Soooo.....someone figured out the Bible and it's Peterson? I guess it would be nice to have such self confidence.
Some may call it delusions of grandeur..... wearing a tux on JRE.... seems about right😂
I was wondering why he was dressed like that…
Delusional psychosis is a more accurate description than self confidence. Half of what he says is contradicted by the other half of what he says. A never ending word salad spoken at super speed is a sure sign of an "intellectual" con man.
The Diamond Sutra is the first printed book. The one he could mean and be correct on is the first major book that was printed using metal type (Gutenberg Bible) which caused a revolution in how to print books, even so it isn't the first book using that method, which was Jikji from Korea. So he was wrong, but he's probably talking about the Gutenberg Bible. I guess.
If we’re moving the goalposts and trying to make sense out of the deranged ramblings of a benzo-head… what about the Epic of Gilgamesh and The Odyssey?
He certainly didn’t specify “metal type” he just kept repeating “first book” and left you to dutifully fill in the blanks for him. I’m sure you’re well aware books were mass-produced long before the invention of even woodblock printing… monks and scholars had to make copies by hand.
Even as you seemingly “call him out” why do you still feel so compelled to defend this Freudian psychoanalytic self-help grifter?
@@chazblank2717 Yes, obviously. However, it shows how european-centric Peterson’s worldview is, and it tells us he is at best white supremacist adjacent.
It sounds like he went to a museum about the printing press, learned about the Gutenberg Bible, and came away incorrectly thinking it’s the “first book.”
“The Gutenberg Bible was the earliest major book printed using mass-produced movable metal type in Europe.”
He was quite clearly talking about the first book not the first printed book
@@turtle_food8774 Notice the word “incorrectly” in my comment. As in, he’s an idiot.
1455: The Gutenberg Bible (in Latin) was the first book printed in and for the western world with movable metal type, by Johannes Gutenberg. And Peterson was referring to that
@@turtle_food8774 Did he though?
He did clarify at 2:42 _"as far as Western culture is concerned"_ which leads back to the Gutenberg Bible and it's cultural significance as the "first mass-printed book" in the _Western_ world.
I am amazed how credulous Joe is in these discussions. It's like the frontal lobes have gone into bypass mode. Actually I'm not amazed that Joe is like this but you can see it in his expression that critical thinking is bypassed.
Dude has been hit in his head his whole life...if you have never seen the effects of CTE, well, you haven't been watching dipshits like Joe!
I saw a Peterson interview after his health scare and he almost seemed like a normal person. Now he is even worse than he was before his health problems.
It was not a health scare or a health "problem", it was severe drug abuse followed by quackery treatments that he had leave the country to get, treatments he desired because he is such a coward (medically induced coma to avoid drug withdrawal suffering). His extreme levels of narcissism and hypocrisy should not be covered up merely because they almost killed him.
Thank you, David. Just thank you… I couldn’t stay as calm as you do while discussing this…. Your show helps me (and many others) more than you may know.
David says its not the first book but can't evem tell us what the first book was!
@@joelrivard5598 what a dumb take and a dumb place to put it. 🤦
I apologize to op for this ignorant comment. Much love.
@@jessetreadway5249 haha thank you. I was going to reply to that first comment but realized it would be wasting my time. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@@jessetreadway5249 last time I check the library of Alexandria was burned in 48bc and a bunch of books and knowledge were lost forever!!
@@joelrivard5598 Yes. Lots of texts that were lost forever then.
What JP could be trying to say in a sort of garbled way is that the Bible, specifically the Christian Bible, was one of the first texts to be produced in book form (i.e. with pages bound in a cover) as opposed to scroll form, which is how most other ancient texts were stored. It is true that the replacement of scrolls with books did coincide with the rise of Christianity. Of course that still doesn't make the Bible "the first book" or "the only book" so he's still wrong.
Why doesn't he say this then? He's a clown who tries to sound deep but isn't.
I thought he got confused with the invention of the *printing press,* which started a printing war between Catholics and Protestants to see who could print the most copies of their favourite version of the Bible.
Companies who operated the new printing press technology made huge profits from those religious nutters desperate to out-print each other, and soon they diversified into non-Bible books.
@@pauligrossinoz At 3:11 he mentions that before the Bible there were scrolls, so I'm pretty sure he's confusedly referring to the replacement of scrolls with codices in the ancient world.
Your history is a bit mixed up though. The printing press was invented in 1440 and the Reformation began in 1517, almost eighty years later. Also, it was mainly the Protestants who used the printing press to distribute their Bible translations; Catholics didn't really care about making the Bible available to the masses. So while the Reformation did trigger an explosion in printing and literacy, it was mostly on the Protestant side. The Catholic counter-reformation mostly focused on the production of religious art and architecture.
@@mjr_schneider - true, the Catholics were relatively late in the game of Bible-printing, having participated early on using the incredibly stupid tactic of trying to buy all of William Tynsdale's Bible imprints, with the express purpose of supressing it. Naturally this had the effect of financing Tynsdale's efforts, which continued on after his execution, with many more Bibles to follow.
The Catholics were quite successful in their own way, with only 2 of Tynsdale's Bibles surviving the burnings. But the cat was out of the bag by that stage.
The main game at the onset of the Gutenberg press were the many competing Protestant interpretations made popular via translation into vernacular, which led to both rival Protestants and Catholics initially suppressing (burning) translations deemed unfavourable to their various theological positions, then eventually joining-in when they realised that there was no way to actually stop rivals because Bibles were being printed much faster than they could be found and burned.
I believe the Catholics eventually joined the Bible printing game with the *Douai-Rheims Bible,* about 100 years after the rival Protestant groups began their various Bible-printing campaigns to out-compete each other. But that was still _more than 30 years before_ the iconic *King James Bible,* which became dominant likely due to its Regal patronage.
The net result was still a bonanza for anyone with the new Gutenburg technology, since the huge demand for Bible printing, lasting several centuries, virtually guaranteed commercial success for the owner of a press.
Printing non-religious books was a small sideline for the presses for more than a century as the various religious nutters financed the book printing revolution with their Biblical zeal, but this initial stupidity eventually faded as people's thirst for secular writing began to dominate the presses in later centuries.
The Diamond Sutra, a Buddhist book from Dunhuang, China from around 868 A.D. during the Tang Dynasty, is said to be the oldest known printed book. The Gutenberg Bible is said to be the first mass produced book at around 1455
They invented paper too. 😂
The bible is a book. It was the first book, but it's not really a book, it's a bunch of texts. It's a Library.
Not the first book
Was hardly the *_first_* book by any measure.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is found on tablets over 800 years older than the advent of Judaism, so even if we restrict 'The Bible' to the Torah instead, it still doesn't meet "the first book" requirements.
@@PhilLesh69 I know.
It was the first book ever printed.
Now if you could only speak really quickly, he'd be unstoppable.
He knows he's lying.... he's a despicable character trying to monetize his ideology
I have a feeling that he just wants to be the hero of his own story.
Relevance.
YOU ARE THE LIAR HERE!
@@wesleygordon1645 SAYS THE PERSON WHO BELIEVES THE LIE THEY'VE BEEN FED!
@Steve I am really really hoping that this post is intended ironically, because if not? Holy shit, Steve-O, that is some weapons-grade hypocrisy there.
When you refer to "these people," you've INSTANTLY become the instrument of hate that you purport to decry. Dehumanizing and "otherizing" those with whom you disagree is hate speech 101.
So again, while I'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your tongue is firmly planted in cheek, I'd put a week's salary on the fact that you just shit on your own plate. Bravo.
@@wesleygordon1645 did i hit a soft spot ?😉
Jesus, this whole "Jordan Peterson: World's Foremost Expert on Everything" is way past tiresome
The Vedas from India and The Book of the Dead from Egypt were written 1000s of years before the Bible. This isn’t even rocket science. 🚀
1455: The Gutenberg Bible (in Latin) was the first book printed in and for the western world with movable metal type, by Johannes Gutenberg. And Peterson was referring to that
@@ALBIZURES nobody cares
The Epic of Gilgamesh comes to mind.
I mean, sure, the guy makes no sense. But to those who claim that he does and that we simply aren't smart enough to understand him, at what point does it start to become Peterson's fault that he can't seem to make himself understood by most people?
Never… it’s basic cult shit… to the true believers, he has all the answers so it’s naturally your responsibility to go consume his brand of Freudian psychoanalytic self-help to find it for yourself 😂 and your failure to give him either money, respect or adoration just shows them how close-minded you are…
First. implementing "word salad" moniker in to rotation.
Second. I think Jordan tried to correct or cover his "first book assertion" with the "bible is a library" and "collection of books" as he realized he was making a mess. none the less, the entirety of the assertion and even the need to make the assertion is ridiculous. it seems like yet another attempt to integrate the bible as an authoritative and accurate historical work.
Lastly. I applaud you David in standing firm in stating that, all of Jordan's statement is flat wrong. just because there may be a couple of correct points in a salad of plain falsehoods doesn't thereby make the overall statement right or even credible.
J.P. Is like modern art, if you don’t get it, it’s your fault. Jordon Peterson and modern art are like “The Emperor’s New Clothes” to me! 😀
I get what you mean but let’s not insult the value of modern art to prove this windbag is a windbag LOL Besides I think you’re confusing bad art calling itself modern art.
In the debates/discussions I've watched with JP defending.. anything, his opponent has the monumental task of asking him to define every single term of the argument he makes.
He doesn't accept the meanings of words as we all understand them. He makes up his own definitions and refuses to elaborate.
It's how he can call an atheist a religious with a straight face.
It's how he say the Bible was "literally" the first book ever written.
If you can't make sense of his views, that's because that's his intent. He makes his money from gish-gallop. I've given up on trying to decipher his drivel.
Yeah, my suspicion is Rogan keeps asking him back on his show because there is always the chance that JP will be lucid this time.
"The book" meant first mass printed book which indeed was the bible which is considered one of few date that ends medieval period.
That's not what Peterson talking about and you know it.
Wow the lengths JP's cultists will go to excuse their precious little guru. Now they are even editing what he actually says in order to agree with him. Sad, sad, sad.
This guy has always thought being articulate equates to being correct.
Not even that. Peterson just thinks that delivering pseudo-intellectual commentary will convince millions of listeners that he's a wise man instead of just a smart aleck. He was once capable of halfway incisive takes on certain subjects, but he's now abandoned even that in order to be a warped Christian shill in the guise of a web guru.
well it equates to being accurate, and being accurate allows you to be correct.
@@calhackit9806 Your statement is grammatically garbled and isn't clear enough to be evaluated. What is the "it" you refer to? Also, the second part of the statement is essentially a tautology--accurate and correct are essentially the same here. If you phrase it more carefully, I might agree with you. But regarding accuracy, what determines if someone is accurate? Doesn't it require that the person uses substantial and credible evidence and that contrary evidence doesn't undermine the person's assumptions?
@@surfwriter8461 do you get the massive irony that you're saying im not articulate enough to adequately express my point, hence you cant understand it, and hence you cant tell if it's correct or not?
so basically your criticism of my point is a proof of it. good job.
@@surfwriter8461 you are either very clever and on my side, or very stupid.. im honestly not sure which, but either way, thanks.
Him saying, "... became books that everybody could buy, the book that everybody could buy." What a weird way to think. As if when this first book - this spiritual/religious tome - was made, it was about selling it to everybody.
Johannes Gutenberg would disagree. No one is buying a book when the only ones who owned it are keeping it by them.
A lot of them wanted to buy the book, but it wasn't widely available when it first came out. Amazon didn't even carry it.
I'd like to also point out that he apparently just got out of rehab. I have been sober for over 14 years now, & one of the main lessons in the beginning is that addiction & needing to get sober should reveal that you need some help & guidance. You keep your mouth shut for the first year or so as you analyze & examine your actions, behavior & motives. How did you get addicted & what were you trying to self medicate? He's fresh out of rehab & already preaching his great wise ideas. Which is just not sober behavior.
Peterson subscribes to the age-old philosophy: "If you can't dazzle em with brilliance....baffle em with bullshit!". Do yourself a favour and go watch Stephen Fry and him in conversation. He gets completely dismantled when in the presence of someone intelligent enough to call him out on his verbal shit storm of big, important-sounding words. Worth the effort. Only wish that Christopher Hitchens lived long enough to debate him. Would have been a smackdown of epic proportions.
That would have been a massacre. Even smart people got demolished by Hitch. I’d hate to see what would happen to a pseudo intellectual like JP in a two hour debate. 😬
JP would have been rolling on the floor and throwing a fit, because Hitchen's would have proved the idiocy of JP's platitudes.
The small grain of truth that Peterson seems to have discovered personally is that the codex (a book rather than a scroll) was popularized by early Christian scribes. But it wasn’t “the Bible.” It was was initially collections of texts, such as the letters of Paul in a codex, and Gospel codices. It wasn’t until the 4th c. that we have extant evidence of a codex which included the full “Bible” in a codex.
I first started with Mr Peterson 4 years ago and left after his last debate with Harris. HE wants to push his agenda. HIS AGENDA. I lost any and all openness to his partake on humanness.
Lately I’m reminded of that article one of his former colleagues wrote back when Peterson was first becoming popular. In it, that professor said Peterson had spoken of the aspiration to “start his own church”. At the time, I thought he was just jealous of Peterson’s newfound fame. But now Peterson seems to be on a trajectory towards becoming the next big megachurch celebrity pastor.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs I still haven't seen anything that would lead me in that direction. I would hope this man could use his education to be rational. Obviously I don't pray but I also don't hate. I believe he's better than this. Also he's recovering.
@@wvhollargirl7549 I hear you. I found some of Peterson’s classroom lectures interesting a few years ago, and I think his “take responsibility for organizing your life” theme is helpful to an extent. But lately he loses me with his ridiculous (and bombastic) stance on climate change, his red scare politics, and his bible thumping. He increasingly comes off as dishonest in the sense that he reframes scientific data, as well as philosophers (for example, he mischaracterizes Nietzsche) in ways that they seem to support conservative politics and Christian theology.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs It saddens me how he has seemingly changed his open thinking. I'm not sure is his family is a source of his change. Who knows how coming that close to death changes a humans brain.
@@wvhollargirl7549 yeah, it’s hard to say. Couple that with the fact that many people skew more conservative as they age-the world around them is changing faster than they can keep up with, they miss the way things were when they were younger, etc. Also, I’m sure his experience with being boycotted by a certain sector of liberals (I recall them pounding on the doors during a lecture/dialogue at one Canadian university) has left a very bad taste in his mouth and has soured him towards liberals in general. I think a similar phenomenon can be seen in Bret Weinstein’s becoming more conservative in the wake of his experience being boycotted by a faction of liberals at Evergreen College.
All those Greek Philosophers must me STOICALLY crying in a corner from now being told anything they wrote doesn't count.
If a book containing multiple stories is a library, then a wallet containing cash must be a bank right?
It must be, it's the only way that Peterson's rants about Canada's bill C-16 can be "true".
No wonder I'm broke on payday...
Just saw a post that said since this is 2022, the world is only 2,022 years old. I wondered where these idiots got that from. Ah, Jordan Peterson.
“But the first book printed on the printing press…”
Was not the first book.
And the first printed book was not the bible.
@@mickeythompson9537 Yeah, a BUDDHIST book was the first printed book!
What do you picture when some one is talking about books? Papyrus?
@@jdog7982 What is a book? I primarily read ebooks. Are those not books because they're not printed and bound? What about audiobooks? Are they books or not? Why can't a book be printed on papyrus?
The best take on the cultural significance and meaning of the bible stories that I have heard lately came from a guy called Joscha Bach, a cognitive scientist I find to have fascinating opinions on lots of stuff.
It's fascinating how he chose to dress himself in a magician halloween costume. I think that profesor Peterson should focus on some cleaning in his own room. He really doesn't seem to be in good shape right now. He used to make more sense but apparently thousands of people worshiping you does things to your head.
Although I agree Peterson most often makes little sense, I suspect he's referring to the first printed book, the bible, from the Gutenberg press (?). The printing press was the first technology to make books more widely available to the masses and not just scribes or priests. Don't know, just trying to give him some benefit of the doubt.
"I'm off to the book to check out some libraries"-Jordan B. Peterson probably
As a university librarian, I approve this comment.
"The Bible is the first book"
Meanwhile, the four Vedas
The Epic of Gilgamesh
1455: The Gutenberg Bible (in Latin) was the first book printed in and for the western world with movable metal type, by Johannes Gutenberg. And Peterson was referring to that!!
@@ALBIZURES that’s like saying “Christopher Columbus discovered America” realizing how stupid you look saying that cause people already lived there, then doubling down by specifying “he was actually the first European explorer to purposely land there and establish a permanent European colony” and “that’s what I meant” and “that’s why I’m technically not wrong” and “if you can’t see that you’re just as ignorant as I’m assuming you assumed I was...”
The importance of the Gutenberg Bible (and Martin Luther’s translation of it into German) for the advancement of literacy and social reform in medieval Europe cannot be understated. Without obscure religious minorities fleeing Catholic persecution over the next few centuries, America would be a very different place culturally speaking. Mitt Romney doesn’t get to learn about Joseph Smith and the Golden Tablets without the Protestant Reformation. But that’s not what you’re saying is it, you’re just bending over backwards to believe this con-man actually knows wtf he’s talking about, cause you’ve equated an attack on his “brand” as a personal attack on yourself.
Riddle me this mother fucking lobster, who else is using such a highly specific entirely Euro-centric definition of what the “first book” is and why?
All you’re saying is that naturally everyone should assume someone saying loudly and proudly and repeatedly without specifying how or why that “Columbus discovered America” isn’t just woefully misinformed…
JP and Rogan perfectly embody the phenomenon of a broken clock being more accurate twice a day than a clock that’s fast or slow by even half a microsecond. They can occasionally make really shockingly precise factual statements… but are otherwise completely wrong for 23 hrs 59 minutes and 58 seconds of every day… and this lofty achievement they call the “Intellectual Dark Web” 🙄
@@ALBIZURES No. Gutenberg printed other works using movable metal type two years before starting on the Bible.
@@wtrgypsy4533 The Gutenberg Bible (also known as the 42-line Bible, the Mazarin Bible or the B42) was the earliest major book printed using mass-produced movable metal type in Europe. It marked the start of the "Gutenberg Revolution" and the age of printed books in the West
How proud Peterson is about his recent revelation - how he says it reminds me of my stoner friends when I was a teen when they were busting to tell my something they "figured out" when they saw me on the following day of school.
Joe and Jordan should start a new podcast together. They can call it
Tell It Like It Isn't.
Win!
This guy was a college professor? Did his classes involve any rigor at all?
The over rated Peterson specializes in virtually incomprehensible word salads. Speaking of over rated, I read the bible; Lord of the Rings is way better.
Less fantasy in LOTR
I was confused when he said that the first book was the bible, because I’m not sure if he meant the book of Genesis or just the oldest book in the bible. From my research, Genesis is one of the newest books in the Old Testament.
As someone who has recently taken Ancient History at the undergraduate level and Church History - I agree 100% with David. Jordon doesn't know a damn thing about this topic.
"The first book was the bible"
Even if you take this as a case of him talking about religious texts or, even more specifically Christian texts, HE'S STILL WRONG! The current Bible is at least the 9th iteration with multiple changes between them. But he's talking literally as he clarifies a bit later and, again, he's wrong. The first known book binding is from 100 BCE in freaking India.
1455: The Gutenberg Bible (in Latin) was the first book printed in and for the western world with movable metal type, by Johannes Gutenberg. And Peterson was referring to that
@@ALBIZURES NO. Gutenberg printed other works using movable metal type two years before starting on the Bible.
I think everyone who knows any amount of history knows the Bible is not the first book.
Damn right. It was patently absurd.
Dude got dumber in Russia.
Why on Earth would he say something like that when it's so easily proven false?
Because he knows the people who follow him will accept what he says, and repeat it as fact without ever looking it up. Then theyll turn around and call you a sheep.
I watched this and I couldn't believe people think this man is intelligent. He is going through what a lot of old men go through later in life. I call them 4th Quarter Christians. They try to throw a whole lifetime of virtue and religion into that last quarter. I honestly think Joe started to realize this guy has lost it.
To be fair he is good at what he actually studied (psychology) it's when he ventures outside of that he looks dumb. But hey he makes more money selling books to incels and collecting donations from conservatives than most of us will ever see in our lives so fair game.
I think he's intelligent but too gullible
I think he’s talking about how the Gutenberg Bible was the first thing printed and bound into the modern format of a printed book.
Yes. Did he and our Ex prez have the same speech instructor?
Even if that's the case, bring first as no bearing on it being somehow elevated or holy vs. any other book
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I love it when his fanboys have to edit what JP says in order to make it palatable. Imagine having to make excuses for your guru in order to cling to your delusions. This is what Trumptards do as well.
David ,i love how you articulated this episode .You made your point so clearly as usual!
I liked it when joe ask his contestatants if fear was a factor. Now he is smug, ignorant, im done.
100% with you @davidpakman. Listening to his rants LITERALLY places my brain on a labyrinth, with so many exits, soooo many turns, but NONE of them takes me to no where 🤯🤣. Locked abroad nonsense world 😶🌫️
Thank you, Mr. Pakman (ah, sir) for holding your ground when it comes to common sense and rational clarity. Peterson does strike me as a total sham with respect to philosophy, which is my professional arena. So is religious studies though less so. He's really an ass. It is tonic to have this garbage out-doored.
I am absolutely astounded that he actually made the claim that the Bible was the first book ever written. I was positive that he meant to say, the first book of the Bible, but no. First book. This isn’t even something that’s hard to google.
What would even be the meaning of saying the Bible was the first book of the Bible? Why are you even attempting to defend the lunacy of the benzed-out junkie grifter?
I have only listened to this guy once. He was recommended to me by a friend. As a public speaker in my career I am conscious of the challenge of presentation. David your word salad is a good description. He rambled for over an hour saying nothing. I stuck at it because the friend had asked me to listen.
Re the bible I agree David. He doesn’t know the history of the bible and it’s compilation. If he does, he’s a crap presenter because it’s coming out horribly wrong. I’m writing from Australia and we don’t expect many Americans to be have reliable knowledge of the bible. Keep up the good work DAVID