Xbox 360 Emulation on the PC with Xenia takes a huge step forward | MVG

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • Xbox 360 Emulation on the PC just got a while lot better in April 2021 thanks to recent GPU updates made to the Xenia emulator. In this episode we take a look at these latest updates and how they really improve the emulation experience overall.
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  • @ModernVintageGamer
    @ModernVintageGamer  3 года назад +1104

    PC Specs:
    CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700
    GPU : GTX 1080Ti
    RAM : 64.0 GB DDR4

    • @hi_tech_reptiles
      @hi_tech_reptiles 3 года назад +72

      I wonder if a newer GPU would hold some specific benefits- the 1080ti is a great card, but the newer stuff has some very specific render benefits, DX12 and better Vulkan support etc. Both Nvidia and AMD have very different architectures now, and even when some games play as well or better with a 10 series card like the 1080ti, others may play much better with an RTX 30x0 or RX 5000 or 6000 series card.
      Maybe even a Zen 2 or 3 CPU, even tho its drastically different than the old Jaguar (or is that only the 8th gen consoles? Lol) cores

    • @batmangovno
      @batmangovno 3 года назад +25

      Oh damn, I might actually be able to run some games on Xenia!

    • @larssoderstrom6244
      @larssoderstrom6244 3 года назад +13

      How is xenia working on ryzen cpus?

    • @gooberrrrrrrrrr
      @gooberrrrrrrrrr 3 года назад +2

      you should try to get a 3070!

    • @kellymountain
      @kellymountain 3 года назад +47

      damn 64 gigs, i only have 4 :(

  • @bluespinewood6304
    @bluespinewood6304 3 года назад +472

    The xenia team is amazing and they are doing amazing job

    • @dwaynethemineraljohnson412
      @dwaynethemineraljohnson412 2 года назад +2

      Just wish they added a options menu instead of a config text file i mean it can't be that difficult compared to building an intire emulator

    • @bluespinewood6304
      @bluespinewood6304 2 года назад +1

      @@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 oh yeah i totaly agree with you! I didn't even know you can change settings in a text file, so yeah settings would be the best i mean simple easier to find and everyone else is doing it

  • @martinantelo7086
    @martinantelo7086 3 года назад +215

    Xenia is at a better position than OG Xbox emulation, even if the later has been improving as well.
    I wanna cry 😢

    • @EmuNext
      @EmuNext 3 года назад +23

      Check out XEmu.

    • @Zantagor
      @Zantagor 3 года назад +28

      @@EmuNext would love MVG talking about that one, as it didn't exist when he did his original Xbox emulation status in 2019

    • @EmuNext
      @EmuNext 3 года назад +3

      @@Zantagor Agreed. I would love to hear his input on this emulator, It absolutely came out of no where.

    • @bmx7596
      @bmx7596 3 года назад

      just get an OG xbox. It's great in itself for a couch coop emulator

    • @HauntedAbysss
      @HauntedAbysss 3 года назад +9

      @@bmx7596 no!!!!

  • @happyguy5025
    @happyguy5025 3 года назад +618

    Considering R* haven't done Red Dead Redemption on PC maybe this will be the closest we get to a "remastered" version.

    • @tzwientjuh
      @tzwientjuh 3 года назад +73

      Rpcs3 can play the PS3 version of RDR

    • @happyguy5025
      @happyguy5025 3 года назад +8

      @Lern to english Only on the Xbox.

    • @Kyush4
      @Kyush4 3 года назад +17

      @Lern to english no

    • @friendlyaaron9021
      @friendlyaaron9021 3 года назад +46

      They already made the game 4k on xbox one x, series x needs to give it fps boost.

    • @kosmosyche
      @kosmosyche 3 года назад +68

      @Lern to english Dude, wtf exactly are you talking about, cause Rockstar sure as shit haven't done RDR on PC, remastered or otherwise, as OP correctly stated.

  • @Nam3Iess
    @Nam3Iess 3 года назад +429

    I remember being blown away by the PS1 emulators years ago when the PS2 emulation was in its infancy. It is great to see the 360 emulation making a lot of progress.

    • @arkiststark
      @arkiststark 3 года назад +33

      Sony should finally implement PS1 and PS2 emulation on their consoles.

    • @ezg8448
      @ezg8448 3 года назад +26

      They did until they realized only a very small group of people even cared about it.
      The early models of the PS3 is proof.

    • @bermudas6074
      @bermudas6074 3 года назад +59

      @@ezg8448 The reason why only a small group cared back then is beacuse the ps2 was still the current console. A great move would be to bring that emulation back now in 2021 that "small group" would be a lot bigger.

    • @ezg8448
      @ezg8448 3 года назад +14

      @@bermudas6074 Yes, but that doesn't entirely explain the PS1 hardware that also was included.
      They could of easily and more cheaply used software emulation which they did eventually, but instead went with a better and more expensive hardware solution.
      All for a just old enough that few would care but not old enough to be consider nostalgic or vintage.

    • @ZX3000GT1
      @ZX3000GT1 3 года назад +14

      @@ezg8448 It's not like they need to waste much money on that. Playstation Classic even uses PCSX-ReARMed, and they could just take the Beetle PSX HW core for PS4 and PS5. Both of them uses GPLv2.
      Same with PS2. They could just take PCSX2, which is also GPLv2 and port that to PS5.
      Ensure that source code is given, and everything's going to be fine.

  • @rustyshackleford1964
    @rustyshackleford1964 3 года назад +147

    I believe that this is one of the most impressive emulators today. The team is tiny and the emulation is extremely complex and well written. Development may be slow, but it’s most certainly welcome!

    • @vvoois
      @vvoois 3 года назад +3

      I would not say extremely complex, given how well the risc cpu’s specifications are documented, but it does give development a head start on getting all the instructions right.

    • @thestickmanva1722
      @thestickmanva1722 3 года назад

      What about rpcs3

    • @MoonOvIce
      @MoonOvIce 2 года назад

      @@thestickmanva1722 That's a bigger team though, and it started earlier.

  • @SlickOnTop
    @SlickOnTop 3 года назад +364

    This is seriously impressive on their part.

  • @NewfieMan98
    @NewfieMan98 3 года назад +65

    That Trials HD clip at the very beginning gave me a huge nostalgia kick playing that game when I was like 10

    • @camygael
      @camygael 3 года назад +7

      @Super Sharp Shooter how the hell did we go from a simple Flash Game to a Microtransactions filled game!?

    • @DrMacca
      @DrMacca 3 года назад

      You just made me feel a 100 years old!
      lol
      ❤️

    • @ImmortalDestructor
      @ImmortalDestructor 3 года назад +1

      @@camygael Because Ubisoft

    • @silly-xd8uq
      @silly-xd8uq 3 года назад

      Evolution and hd is best

  • @Knuxfan24
    @Knuxfan24 3 года назад +28

    Xenia is basically the sole reason that the Sonic '06 modding scene has taken off, we rely on it so much at this point, due to the pitfalls of working with real 360 hardware (not many of us even have access to a modded 360 to begin with).

    • @jorgevespucci9878
      @jorgevespucci9878 3 года назад +1

      Lol, frickin casuals. Nothing beats running modded 360 games on og hardware. Learn to mod, 360s are cheap ewaste at this point.

    • @IanST0
      @IanST0 3 года назад +10

      @@jorgevespucci9878 lmao, I hope that's satire

    • @jorgevespucci9878
      @jorgevespucci9878 3 года назад

      @@IanST0 Nope, dead serious. Why? Whats changed?

    • @JessieJamesPlays
      @JessieJamesPlays 3 года назад +10

      @@jorgevespucci9878 I'm using nasa's satellite, asked every living being in the world and turned my render distance up but still can't find who tf asked

  • @Psychx_
    @Psychx_ 3 года назад +26

    I tried to read and understand the Xenia developers' blog post about the changes they made and can only conclude that the knowledge and intelligence needed to pull off such an improvement is pretty much insane. Thanks for the awesome work you guys!

  • @TheRetroRoom
    @TheRetroRoom 3 года назад +116

    This dude should make a series where he teaches you how to code homebrew for older consoles, would be a cool idea but it might be time consuming

    • @Protofall
      @Protofall 3 года назад +11

      I know he did a livestream of porting an SDL game to the OG xbox (And he made a summary video here).
      Here's two livestreams converting an OpenGL breakout clone to the Dreamcast:
      ruclips.net/video/GAf0-T1bQY0/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/QgrlkYBSd3g/видео.html

    • @TheRetroRoom
      @TheRetroRoom 3 года назад

      @@Protofall I saw the Dreamcast link and that what I was thinking, like him doing a series on making a Dreamcast homebrew, cause there are zero people who’ll do it, that’s why I think Modern Vintage Gamer is a prefect it

    • @franciscofarias6385
      @franciscofarias6385 3 года назад +1

      IMO we're not really lacking on this type of content. Of course if he decided to do it it would be cool, especially given his long history with homebrew

    • @overlordalfredo
      @overlordalfredo 3 года назад +2

      @@TheRetroRoom there is Definetly people doing exactly these kind of videos, but you will not find them on RUclips and probably not on switch for free.
      There is deep knowledge and skills involved that costs a lot of money for business to get their people trained on.
      So even if someone is kind enough to share all that for free, he or she will quickly be silenced about that because it will heavily harm the official trainings about coding and developing tools.

    • @Protofall
      @Protofall 3 года назад +1

      @@overlordalfredo I don't get your last paragraph. Are you referring to using official/illegal development tools? Most homebrew communities are good with making clean-room sdks that are legal.

  • @Cowcatgames
    @Cowcatgames 3 года назад +86

    Honestly many of these games upscaled look on par graphically with modern games, despite being from two generations ago.

  • @TimmyJoePCTech
    @TimmyJoePCTech 3 года назад +482

    Was that Supra at the end supposed to be missing half the steering wheel? hah Great video! When I made an Xbox 360 PC back in 2018 I was surprised how bad 360 emulation was. I then made an OG Xbox PC as a follow up and I was blown away by how that one is even worse. Glad we're getting closer in 2021!

    • @Sithedd
      @Sithedd 3 года назад +7

      Heeeeey it's Timmy! Big fan!

    • @Allyouknow5820
      @Allyouknow5820 3 года назад +37

      I remember OG Xbox emulation being absolute trash yea. And then I saw a recent video about Jet Set Radio Future... and it was running almost perfectly on CXBX (the OG Xbox emulator) and I HAD TO SEE IT FOR MYSELF. And yes, it DOES WORK and it's absolutely MAGNIFICENT ! And I hope Xenia still does make progress as RPCS3 did since 2017 !!!

    • @lmcgregoruk
      @lmcgregoruk 3 года назад +4

      @@Allyouknow5820 Sure it wasn't Cxbx-Reloaded?

    • @JeromeADavis
      @JeromeADavis 3 года назад +15

      @@Allyouknow5820amazingly even with that emulator that game still runs infinitely better on the original Xbox itself. I bought a whole new original Xbox just to play that game because I couldn't get the emulation right on my PC.

    • @3Triang3l3
      @3Triang3l3 3 года назад +14

      Vertex buffer descriptors have a somewhat wrong (though probably valid - but not fully sure) type value stored in them, the correct ones are 2 for texture descriptors and 3 for vertex buffer descriptors, but sometimes, for some reason, 0 is being used for textures and 1 for vertex buffers. There's a workaround config option - gpu_allow_invalid_fetch_constants = true - which makes the missing parts of the cockpit drawn, but it's not enabled by default because often there are completely wrong/uninitialized descriptors in games (either when the shader is using them only conditionally, but not on its current execution path, or because of some other emulation inaccuracy).

  • @DeepWeeb
    @DeepWeeb 3 года назад +75

    Xenia always felt like black magic to me, no required pre-configuration, no options to speak off, it just runs the games. And that's all it matters at the end.

    • @oz_jones
      @oz_jones 3 года назад +12

      Plug'n'play :)

  • @SynaMax
    @SynaMax 3 года назад +53

    I love getting my emulation news from you. Keep up the great work, dude!

  • @KaneRobot
    @KaneRobot 3 года назад +16

    Imagine 5 years from now, you just brought home your new recently released Xbox Series X Elite, install Retroarch, and play any 360 games you want on it.

    • @RusticRonnie
      @RusticRonnie 3 года назад

      Five years from now you probably buy the Xbox Two XLIVE (or what ever dumb name they give the next one)

  • @Icebolt854
    @Icebolt854 3 года назад +126

    Fable 2 is getting there, the biggest problem it has right now is the floors don't render

    • @mackjeez
      @mackjeez 3 года назад +9

      Been like that for quite a while.

    • @cbygelightbulb
      @cbygelightbulb 3 года назад +12

      Hopefully it can be addressed at some point considering that fable 2 is the only game I really wanted an xbox 360 emu for

    • @chrismichaelgardner
      @chrismichaelgardner 3 года назад +4

      The biggest problem is that it's Fable 2. (Sorry, I had to go there. 😆)

    • @cbygelightbulb
      @cbygelightbulb 3 года назад +8

      @@chrismichaelgardner I mean it's better than fable 3

    • @BoosterTheRooster1
      @BoosterTheRooster1 3 года назад

      Its been like that for over 2 years 😐😥

  • @chemergency
    @chemergency 3 года назад +53

    Hoping Lost Odyssey will be fully-playable in the near future.

    • @gregsmith9183
      @gregsmith9183 3 года назад +7

      Yes please. Lost Oyssey and Blue Dragon. Two of the best JRPG games. Originally only playable on the 360 at the time and now through backwards compatibility on the new xbox consoles. Although Blue Dragon did get a sequal. Blue Dragon: Awakened Shadow. Exclusive to the Nintendo DS.

    • @BrianOfAteionas
      @BrianOfAteionas 3 года назад +4

      Lost Odyssey is so good. I can't wait for the day I can replay it on PC. Back in the day I had to borrow a 360 to play it.

    • @SimonPiano42
      @SimonPiano42 3 года назад +2

      yeah, right now it's only playable on Xbox consoles (including Series X and S). I've been almost considering getting a Series S mainly for Lost Odyssey.
      I tried Lost Odyssey in Xenia a few months ago and it was rough, though partly playable, with some crashes. It must have already improved a lot with these recent changes.

    • @chemergency
      @chemergency 3 года назад +2

      @@SimonPiano42 Not so sure about that, Crackdown for example hasn't seen much improvement with the recent updates- it looks nice and accurate but too slow to be playable currently.

    • @MrBl3ki
      @MrBl3ki 3 года назад +3

      It's completely mind boggling the emulator developers are focusing on optimization of games like Halo (that were remastered for PC) while overlooking exclusives not available for any other platform. :/

  • @ZolaKluke
    @ZolaKluke 3 года назад +19

    It's come soo far in the past 2.5 years and the work is impressive, can't wait to see the progress that comes in the future too

  • @IvanRodriguez-C
    @IvanRodriguez-C 3 года назад +17

    Me years ago: "It should be easy emulate Microsoft consoles, they are PCs with a special version of windows and direct X. In the other hand, I will get old before I can see a PS3 emulator, a gamecube/wii emulator or PSP emu with that special chips"
    Me at 2021: Playing ps3, gamecube/wii, psp, switch on PC almost perfect in some cases, and Xbox emulators in early stage...

    • @orlandofurioso7329
      @orlandofurioso7329 3 года назад +1

      That's complacency for ya, maybe the most dangerous emotion in the human psyche

    • @jordanwardle11
      @jordanwardle11 2 года назад

      most people thought that, people put themselves elsewhere

  • @whatisfzeroanymore2nd
    @whatisfzeroanymore2nd 3 года назад +35

    I just wish Project Gotham 4 was fixed. It ran just fine before, and now can't get past the first menu without breaking.

    • @davidlr97
      @davidlr97 3 года назад +8

      Dang that's unfortunate to hear, PGR is the series I was really wondering about with this...

    • @d34thby1337
      @d34thby1337 3 года назад +16

      I'm sure you can just grab the build it worked on

    • @koigoi
      @koigoi 3 года назад +8

      submit a regression report on the github.

  • @Intelligenz_Bestie
    @Intelligenz_Bestie 3 года назад +11

    now if only OG xbox emulation was this good, there are so many exclusive gems stuck on that

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison 3 года назад +1

      (Ignoring backward compat on x360) these are my OG xbox exclusive classics:
      Brute Force
      Blinx timesweeper
      Death row
      Project Gotham Racing 1 and 2
      Buffy (not chaos Bleed)
      Dino Crysis 3
      Quantum Redshift
      NBA Inside Drive
      NFL Fever
      Azurix
      Midtown Madness 3
      MTV Music generator 3
      I wish Xbox emulation also kept the ability to play custom tracks.

    • @denis-florian_0.57
      @denis-florian_0.57 3 года назад

      I find is strange how 360 emulation is way better than OG xbox

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison 2 года назад

      @@denis-florian_0.57 It depends on the development, support and demand.
      OG xbox emulation was mostly non-existent for the past 20 years and break throughs and the gains were fairly recent
      .
      OG Xbox was more popular as a physically modded device with more emphasis on that - It also spawned Xbmc - Kodi.
      There weren't that many OG Xbox games that couldn't be played on other platforms so there wasn't that much interest to emulation the console...unlike Nintendo consoles and there exclusives.
      The irony is, we can thank Nintendo and their anti-gamer philosophy for spuring gaming Emulation.
      I'm glad however Xemu and Cxbx-reloaded are both making progress now and I donate when I can.

  • @gamma_dc8289
    @gamma_dc8289 3 года назад +50

    I'm just ready to see sonic unleashed run higher than 30 fps

    • @samuraivader3814
      @samuraivader3814 3 года назад +1

      It already runs in uncapped framerate. But good luck with the crashing.

    • @splurgy.
      @splurgy. 3 года назад +3

      jut install the unleashed project mod for generations tbh

  • @EposVox
    @EposVox 3 года назад +86

    Great video! Love the Windjammers shirt

  • @saxxonpike
    @saxxonpike 3 года назад +5

    This rocks. Honestly? When it comes to emulation, sometimes good enough is good enough to casually enjoy. The difference between "good enough" and "imperceptible compared to the original hardware" even for systems like SNES and the Megadrive was what, like 15+ years? Mad props to the devs for getting so much closer.

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber 3 года назад +59

    FINALLY. Was gettin afraid that we'd have no way to play our games as Xbox 360s die out.

    • @Gipsy_T.
      @Gipsy_T. 3 года назад

      Mi xbox 360 xenon died a month ago :(

    • @xfiqf2812
      @xfiqf2812 3 года назад +2

      With Microsoft focusing a lot on backwards compatibility in recent years that's no longer a problem anymore.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare 3 года назад

      @Cyanite It's coz of his daily uploads of pron videos

    • @kylehill3643
      @kylehill3643 3 года назад

      @@xfiqf2812 Except for BFME2. That's why I downvoted you due to your factually incorrect statement.

    • @TheAmazingSpiderPunk
      @TheAmazingSpiderPunk 3 года назад

      @@kylehill3643 Isn't the PC version of BFME2 objectively better, though? RTS games are meant to be played on PC.

  • @thisisakodibox2635
    @thisisakodibox2635 3 года назад +74

    Microsoft Back Compatibility Team:
    "We are monitoring your progress with great interest"

    • @Armataan
      @Armataan 3 года назад +19

      Honestly? I bet the entire team feels that way. They would have 100% compatibility with all Xbox one, 360, OG, and sega Dreamcast games If they were legally allowed to, IMO.

    • @ike789125
      @ike789125 3 года назад +32

      @@Armataan MS's support of all games one machine is staggering in the face of the rest of the industry. I believe one hundred percent they want to see this succeed! Meanwhile Nintendo is freaking over the fact that switch games are playable 100% basically day one on Yuzu

    • @MeDicen_Rocha
      @MeDicen_Rocha 3 года назад +11

      Its important to remember that 100% backwards compatibility just wont happen. Sadly a lot of games have licences that have long expired which forbid the games from ever being sold new again

    • @Armataan
      @Armataan 3 года назад +7

      @@MeDicen_Rocha right. Officially. Because it’s illegal. This is why Xenia is worth funding

    • @fake12396
      @fake12396 3 года назад +6

      They already have a working emulator with upscaling and all the fancy stuff, the problem is they need to do everything by the book regarding legality, which leaves out most games.

  • @Francisco-Danconia
    @Francisco-Danconia 3 года назад +2

    Dude, the 360 library is something I have been waiting to play on PC for the longest time.

  • @marcospampi7154
    @marcospampi7154 3 года назад +148

    Now Ben can play japanese region-locked loli shooting games on his PC!

    • @inlovewithi
      @inlovewithi 3 года назад +12

      It took many years, and lots of hard work, but now he can.

    • @imst-allison9590
      @imst-allison9590 3 года назад +7

      When they implement proper keyboard support

    • @ZetsubouMar
      @ZetsubouMar 3 года назад +2

      Deathsmiles was ported to PC years ago tho.

    • @ZX3000GT1
      @ZX3000GT1 3 года назад +3

      @@ZetsubouMar Deathsmiles 2 still isn't ported though, and the one running on PC is the inferior arcade version. 360 got the superior more complete version.

    • @Agret
      @Agret 3 года назад

      @@ZX3000GT1 A chinese coder ported Deathsmiles 360 version to PC, only works on NVIDIA cards due to the shader method he used. He stopped working on it as the devs contacted him and said they were working on an official port but it never came.

  • @henrik1743
    @henrik1743 3 года назад +2

    Being able to get 360 games upscaled to 4K when you have the newer monitors can not be underestimated

  • @MrMario2011
    @MrMario2011 3 года назад +32

    Everyone hates getting the thermal paste out of every crevice on the GPU, gotta love that at 2:45!

    • @krashd
      @krashd 3 года назад +1

      I would use a pressure hose and then let the chip dry if it had that many nooks in it.

  • @cannedbeverage7687
    @cannedbeverage7687 3 года назад +2

    I still remember seeing a debug build of NFSMW05 running Xenia back in 2017, thinking that X360 emulation was a hopeless dumpster fire. Oh man, how wrong I was.

    • @alexalcalaortiz368
      @alexalcalaortiz368 3 года назад

      sadly the retail version of most wanted 2005 still crashes with the latest version of xenia

    • @cannedbeverage7687
      @cannedbeverage7687 3 года назад

      @@alexalcalaortiz368 Well, you can mod the PC version to look very close to the X360, so that's not that big of a problem to me. The real problem is when a X360 exclusive doesn't work on the emulator.

  • @chasesmay7237
    @chasesmay7237 3 года назад +5

    Man, it never ceases to amaze me how if I get into a strange rabbit-hole of gaming, within a week or two there is Always a new MVG video dedicated to the weird thing I am into at that moment! I recently came across a massive stack of 360 games and got nostalgic af, but I don’t have a Microsoft console beyond the og atm...so I got curious about emulation, and here we are again lol:) Thanks for the great content as always, and keep up the great work!

  • @radiance9657
    @radiance9657 3 года назад +18

    Will you also cover the latest improvements of XEMU and CXBX?

  • @liaminwales
    @liaminwales 3 года назад +4

    Im always stunned by how good old games look when played at higher resolution, it may not be the "pure" way to play them but to me they just look good.
    Yep there are a few that do not look as good but on the hole most look amazing at 1080P or higher.

    • @franciscofarias6385
      @franciscofarias6385 3 года назад +2

      Yes, when it comes to 3D games they surely do. In my experience most of the complaints come from sprite-based 2D games

    • @RFLCPTR
      @RFLCPTR 3 года назад +1

      @@franciscofarias6385 Because of imperfect scaling.
      Super Nintendo Games look glorious when scaled correctly from 240p to 960p

  • @uDONTneed2KNIOW
    @uDONTneed2KNIOW 3 года назад +2

    Keep in mind that Forza Horizon 2 on the 360 was a very cut version of the proper Xbox One release.
    The textures and lighting were not particularly great on the 360 version to begin with.

  • @deabreu.tattoo
    @deabreu.tattoo 3 года назад +52

    too bad digital foundry doesn't do emulation, I'd love to see comparisons between PS3 and 360 emulation, as some sort of perverted zombified reprise of the console wars

    • @vadnegru
      @vadnegru 3 года назад +11

      I watched that kind of videos, rcps3 way way ahead xenia. If ps3 had 24 fps on rdr, xenia had barely 10

    • @abbafanatico
      @abbafanatico 3 года назад +1

      Digital Foundry is fine and all but they wouldn't piss on emulation if it were on fire.

    • @vadnegru
      @vadnegru 3 года назад

      @@abbafanatico i remember they did reviews of xbox backward compatibility, or that wasn't they?

    • @abbafanatico
      @abbafanatico 3 года назад +6

      @@vadnegru that's "official" emulation.

    • @ru55ells
      @ru55ells 3 года назад

      @@abbafanatico You missed the one where John covers arcade emulation and has the machine on display in his flat.

  • @gstar7686
    @gstar7686 3 года назад +1

    I've been playing Ace Combat 6 and other than audio glitches during cut scenes, it is now fully playable with Xenia. Great work by the developer.

  • @EruenGameplays
    @EruenGameplays 3 года назад +11

    *Cries in John Marston*
    Now i will be able to play RDR on my pc!

  • @romein138
    @romein138 3 года назад +2

    MVG's final comments in this video about there being no commercial emulator for PC by Microsoft really makes you wonder what the scene would be like if they did step forward and make one.

  • @CursedKeyblade1
    @CursedKeyblade1 3 года назад +13

    It's sad that Sony refuses to have any sort of BC for PS3. So many HD collections or great PS3 games that died with the console. Even games like Fallout 3, which is a pain to get to run on a modern PC at least has a stable version on Xbox. I'm happy that emulation is getting way better for the 360 emulator. Some games are available on PC but they are unstable to play on a modern PC. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

    • @That_Son_Ofa_Itch
      @That_Son_Ofa_Itch 3 года назад +3

      Blame the cell processor. Its literally 7 small ass cpus all shoved into one body. Hypervisoring itself and master slave controlling itself.
      Its a complicated mess that on paper was actually more powerful than high end gaming p.c's..
      Issue being that most devs didnt have a single clue how to program for it properly. Sony themselfs didnt even fully conprehend its power or how it ticks fully

    • @DerekMoore82
      @DerekMoore82 3 года назад +1

      I have a fat PS3 that natively plays PS1 and PS2 discs.

    • @lmcgregoruk
      @lmcgregoruk 3 года назад +1

      @@DerekMoore82 They meant there isn't backwards compatibility FOR the PS3, not that the PS3 isn't backwards compatible with PS2/1 games. As in, the PS4/5 won't play PS3 games.

    • @That_Son_Ofa_Itch
      @That_Son_Ofa_Itch 3 года назад +1

      @@DerekMoore82 you can also softmod the ps3 slim and super slims to run ps2 via software emulation like the 2nd version of the ps3 used to before patch.

    • @DerekMoore82
      @DerekMoore82 3 года назад +1

      @@lmcgregoruk Aahh.. gotcha

  • @joeykeilholz925
    @joeykeilholz925 3 года назад

    Into the patreon. I love supporting emulation work that way

  • @baguete02
    @baguete02 3 года назад +14

    When Goldeneye 360 was leaked I couldn't believe how well this emulator performed, my pc is not that great , that's amazing work these people are doing .

    • @KaranSharma-lm6eh
      @KaranSharma-lm6eh 2 года назад

      I am planning to play in on my Alienware 17R2 laptop, mind if you can share your pc specs, that would help me to get an idea of it's performance ?

    • @baguete02
      @baguete02 2 года назад +1

      @@KaranSharma-lm6eh Hello at that time I was running it in a AMD FX 6100 , 14gb DDR3 with a R7 370P 4Gb .

    • @KaranSharma-lm6eh
      @KaranSharma-lm6eh 2 года назад +1

      @@baguete02 cool, thanks my laptop certainly will be able to run this with emulator.

    • @baguete02
      @baguete02 2 года назад +1

      @@KaranSharma-lm6eh Nice now I have a Ryzen 5500 , 32gb of RAM and a RX6500XT and the emulator performs even better! Have fun mate!

  • @gilles4prezudent650
    @gilles4prezudent650 3 года назад +1

    One thing I always found utterly bizarre about the 360 library is the japanese exclusive port of the Clannad Visual Novel. A vintage dating game isn't exactly what comes to mind when you think "XBox" and yet it exists.
    I'd like to see someone port the English translation to the 360 version of the game, but it feels like it'd be a whole lot of work for something not a whole lot of people would benefit from.

  • @Darkl0ud_Productions
    @Darkl0ud_Productions 3 года назад +5

    SO HAPPY Xenia is coming together quite nicely... I have been watching it since it was a baby. It's like watching a child grow up lol

    • @djallious1188
      @djallious1188 3 года назад

      Me to they grow up so fast.😂😂😂

  • @316whatupz
    @316whatupz 3 года назад +1

    The cool thing about Xenia is that Xemu (OG Xbox emulator) is also improving at the same time

  • @PauloJunior-jl5bh
    @PauloJunior-jl5bh 3 года назад +3

    Can't wait for OG Ninja Gaiden II getting playable in Xenia *o*

  • @Mitchell_Nagy
    @Mitchell_Nagy 3 года назад +2

    This is great progress and seems very accessible for those who want to play on a variety of set ups.
    PS I've always wondered, who is the woman in the portrait in the background?

  • @psyhodelik
    @psyhodelik 3 года назад +19

    Awesome work !!

  • @victorsegoviapalacios4710
    @victorsegoviapalacios4710 3 года назад

    As a Proud owner of both OG Xbox and Xbox 360, both modded, I am pleased with the improvement of emulation for both systems; even as I can just fire-up my consoles and play any game I wish, I still make my own builds of Xenia and XEMU/XQEMU/Cxbx-Reloaded regularly and check out the latest features and compatibility.... I love MS Consoles and I also love PC Gaming, so emulating MS consoles in my main rig is like a match made in heaven for me.

  • @XTHHedgehog
    @XTHHedgehog 3 года назад +11

    With all your experience, I'm surprised you haven't attempted to help them lol

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 3 года назад +1

      Who says he hasn't... ? Obviously he's not gonna say, but to be quite honest, I'd be surprised if he WASN'T involved in some kind of emulator work in some capacity.

    • @XTHHedgehog
      @XTHHedgehog 3 года назад +1

      @@arnox4554 Who says he has as well? You'll never know unless he says something.

  • @Halcos
    @Halcos 3 года назад +1

    You should definitely cover Xemu emulator for the OG Xbox! Recent releases offer excellent compatibility and for the first time ever many Xbox games are playable on PC. It also allows for connectivity via System Link with other instances of Xemu and even real consoles. A video about this could greatly supplement your video where you've connected three generations of Xbox consoles.

  • @robbystrange4772
    @robbystrange4772 3 года назад +3

    Next step is to emulate original xbox backwards compatibility on xenia

    • @strykah92
      @strykah92 3 года назад +1

      Would they do that though? OG Xbox compatibility on actual 360 hardware was quite lackluster and there is a standalone OG Xbox emulator (CXBX) as it is.

  • @HedgehogY2K
    @HedgehogY2K 3 года назад +1

    You know what would be interesting, 7.1 LPCM on emulation. OG Xbox and Xbox 360 only have builtin Dolby Digital 640kbps 5.1 with DTS-ES 6.1 left to an AV-receiver to decode it, WMA Pro 7.1 768kbps if you have a VSX series receiver. I would've love to encode my movies in VC-1+WMA Pro audio since it's the 360's most promoted codec. But I'm not an audiophile and I'm not prioritizing 7.1 audio either, so I'm not getting the VSX-90TXV just to decode what's essentially DTS-ES on steroids. AVI Xvid+AC3 5.1 640kbps is good.

  • @Yolo_Swaggins
    @Yolo_Swaggins 3 года назад +5

    Unrelated, but i was wondering if the resizable BAR support on the latest GPU's and CPU's would make N64 frame buffer emulation better?

  • @ScottTancock
    @ScottTancock 3 года назад

    Great video. Might be worth removing the background blur effect, though, as it makes the mic look like it's floating in the middle of nowhere (boom arm is blurred but mic isn't).

  • @kiolewis7924
    @kiolewis7924 3 года назад +5

    I'm hoping this will run Eternal Sonata, really been wanting to play this game

    • @cyrilthefish
      @cyrilthefish 3 года назад

      Ooh! i'd forgotten about that game! Enjoyed that a lot.
      For me i'd love to able to play lost odyssey and blue dragon on the PC :)

    • @MorgothGamingTrove
      @MorgothGamingTrove 3 года назад +2

      Ya know people... An X360 or a PS3 is so cheap by now. The games aren't even that expensive either. Just get it there instead of waiting for 20 years that emulation gets to an acceptable point... I'll never understand people.

    • @millerwrightt
      @millerwrightt 3 года назад +1

      Might be easier to give that a shot with rpcs3

    • @RocketZX
      @RocketZX 3 года назад

      Yeah check out the ps3 emulation of that rpcs3 works nice for me

  • @dennisanderson8663
    @dennisanderson8663 3 года назад +1

    I am glad Xenia is able to play the unreleased GoldenEye that has updated models, textures, and smooth 60 fps gameplay.

  • @Nyonthecat
    @Nyonthecat 3 года назад +7

    Sadly, Xenia doesn't work properly on Ryzen 5000 cpu's
    Runs very slow in Ryzen 9 5900x

    • @XRelays
      @XRelays 3 года назад +2

      Suffering From Success

    • @JudgeSim2
      @JudgeSim2 3 года назад +3

      nothing works with amd. thats why intel is king of gaming

    • @jacobc5747
      @jacobc5747 3 года назад +15

      @@JudgeSim2 dropping in from 2012, are we?

    • @MrErnieDevlin
      @MrErnieDevlin 3 года назад

      Same with the 3950x

    • @FromGamesWithFuck
      @FromGamesWithFuck 3 года назад

      what you mean by "very slow"...20-25 fps in rdr? same result was on intel before too...try off smt , even on some PC games helps)

  • @freddiejohnson6137
    @freddiejohnson6137 3 года назад +2

    Even the explanations about how this works makes it obvious how much work went into official emulation from Microsoft themselves. As hardware reached as certain level it became so much harder to emulate. This may now be a thing of the past though with how new console generation seem to be aiming to maintain full compatibility with the previous generation.
    I also don't think people realise how much the custom code in the 360 made it more than just a PC in a console. People always compared that consoles generation specs to the equivalent cpu and gpu but you could never replicate the same game quality with those equivalent parts.

  • @dustojnikhummer
    @dustojnikhummer 3 года назад +5

    Forza Horizon 1 still doesn't render ground textures :(

    • @LordZero666
      @LordZero666 3 года назад

      It has taken several years though. I appreciate their work nonetheless.

  • @cy_mx
    @cy_mx 3 года назад

    i literally found this emulator 2 days ago because i was desperate to play the Banjo games in HD and i didnt even realize you made a video on it

  • @LordZero666
    @LordZero666 3 года назад +19

    This is relevant to my interests.

  • @babyboomertwerkteam5662
    @babyboomertwerkteam5662 3 года назад +1

    It's about time this emulator got some love! Everyone's been hyping RPCS3 since 2017 (thanks to Persona 5 lol) while Xenia never got the coverage it deserved.

  • @nickiebanchou
    @nickiebanchou 3 года назад +9

    holy macaroni this is getting there!

  • @skrrubb
    @skrrubb 3 года назад

    Titanfall is an interesting one. Not suprised it crashed. That 360 port was pushing the console to its limits along with the HD textures that used to take minutes on end to load.

  • @Cyberfoxxy
    @Cyberfoxxy 3 года назад +14

    I'm just waiting for Banjo Kazooie nuts and bolts.

  • @Xerho
    @Xerho 3 года назад +1

    Only thing left is the correct emulation of the xbox 360 voice chat.

  • @lee99bay
    @lee99bay 3 года назад +3

    I wonder why we can't play all games from xbox 360 on Xbox series X/S. Microsoft why?

    • @vinyminotaur2694
      @vinyminotaur2694 3 года назад +1

      The reason is because some of the games didn't work on the emulator or the games had worse fps than on a actual xbox 360 and the license stuff to have the games on microsoft store

    • @aprofondir
      @aprofondir 3 года назад +3

      Licensing issues

  • @enthusiasticgamer88
    @enthusiasticgamer88 3 года назад +1

    This makes me wonder if the emu devs shared their knowledge with MS if MS could implement 4K upscaling and such to all 360 games on Xbox. I feel like they've done a lot of the footwork required to obtain the knowledge to achieve that. At least some games have enhancements but an overall enhancement for all titles would definitely be the dream.

  • @InnocentiousVHS
    @InnocentiousVHS 3 года назад +13

    Greetings fellow DOA enjoyer 😏

  • @TheLukesterGaming
    @TheLukesterGaming 3 года назад

    Whilst I don't actively follow/keep-up to date with these kinda things, I can still appreciate the efforts that have been made since the last time I saw/heard about it, some pretty impressive stuff there indeed!😮👍👏

  • @lactate
    @lactate 3 года назад +5

    I'm still waiting on Fable 2 to work

    • @lactate
      @lactate 3 года назад

      Checked after downloading the update and unfortunately it's still badly broken

    • @herrabanani
      @herrabanani 3 года назад

      Is fable 2 not on pc?

    • @edricdayne2162
      @edricdayne2162 3 года назад

      @@herrabanani no

  • @rodrigomolinsky
    @rodrigomolinsky 3 года назад

    9:57 You managed to waste almost an entire magazine between the cylinders. xD
    Loved the video, BTW

  • @SkipsTinyBeard
    @SkipsTinyBeard 3 года назад +3

    This is awesome news! For me gaming's future is emulation. There are so many titles I never got to try on multiple platforms. Even just testing them at this point is better than most of the new crap released today.

  • @XanYT
    @XanYT 3 года назад

    Fantastic stuff. As someone that needs to have the best version of a game I can sleep easier knowing I don't have to settle for PS3 versions of games of that era. Now the task of watching a bunch of old Digital Foundry comparison videos to see what games I need to get. lol.

  • @nickvanemden
    @nickvanemden 3 года назад +3

    Im not sure if i missed it or not. But what are your pc specs? Maybe then i can finally play Rdr on pc😁

    • @subg9165
      @subg9165 3 года назад

      he put them in a pinned comment if you didn't already see it

  • @ninemugetsu
    @ninemugetsu 3 года назад

    Red dead performs so much better now its amazing, used to dip to 15fps on areas with a lot of NPCs and now its between the high 20s/low 30s

  • @samuraivader3814
    @samuraivader3814 3 года назад +4

    I was wondering when people were going to cover this.

  • @FrameRater
    @FrameRater 3 года назад

    XEMU emulation of the original Xbox has been taking off, too!

  • @SRC267
    @SRC267 3 года назад +3

    Can't wait for this emulator to make it to Android in the future, same with PCSX2.

    • @TheeCapN
      @TheeCapN 3 года назад

      Imagine our phones being able to just plug into a gpu

  • @kingjoe3rd
    @kingjoe3rd 3 года назад +1

    It's good to see that generation improving since the last time I checked it wasnt looking so hot especially the PS3's emulation scene.

    • @millerwrightt
      @millerwrightt 3 года назад

      You should revisit ps3 emulation. Xenia is making improvements, but it is still nowhere near rpcs3 in performance and features.

  • @Todo-1996
    @Todo-1996 3 года назад +3

    If dead or alive 4 is playable. Then I will consider downloading this.

  • @impoppy9145
    @impoppy9145 3 года назад +1

    This year has been the best year ever for emulation. Nintendo Switch and Wii emulation is now better than the consoles themselves. PS3 emulation is amazing and now Xbox 360 emulation.

  • @792p
    @792p 3 года назад +6

    First time I see a RUclips video being uploaded 4 seconds ago...

    • @MarcoGPUtuber
      @MarcoGPUtuber 3 года назад +1

      Hit the bell icon and you can be early every time!

    • @LordZero666
      @LordZero666 3 года назад +1

      I wonder if uploading at this time is better for the algorithm.
      I read that there are sweet times over the day that improve viewing immensely.

    • @kellymountain
      @kellymountain 3 года назад

      Same.

    • @MarcoGPUtuber
      @MarcoGPUtuber 3 года назад +1

      @@LordZero666 I find with myself in particular, 8AM EST is when the Americans start to wake up and are particularly active morning and then subsequent evenings.

    • @792p
      @792p 3 года назад +1

      @@LordZero666 good remark. I wonder if Google has learnt to keep track of when its users are most likely to slack off :-)

  • @datboitmic
    @datboitmic 3 года назад

    I think it’s funny how fast this has come along compared to the Sega Saturn.

  • @FedderMcShredder
    @FedderMcShredder 3 года назад +1

    Great video, I'd love to play Ace combat 6 and Ninja gaiden 2 on PC some day.
    Will you be covering OG xbox emulation again too? Xemu has made a lot of progress the last few months.

  • @djbloke9873
    @djbloke9873 2 года назад +1

    I5 4590, 8GB Ram ddr3, geforce 1050 ti... hace un año habia probado Xenia con algunos juegos y no me gustaba como funcionaba, muchas caidas de los fps en carga de shaders (que se solucionaban la segunda vez que pasabas por esa zona en el juego pero, no tenia mucho sentido jugar asi)... Esta semana se me ocurrio volver a probar las nuevas actualizaciones y doy fe que el emulador mejoro muchisimo!! Juegos como los dragon ball, diablo, vampires rain, condemned 2 y algunos de carrera/lucha que probe, se emulan muy bien y muy fluidos!!! sin problemas de bajones... Otros mas pesados como silent hill downpour o splatterhouse, mejoraron muchisimo, tienen sus microbajones en carga de shaders pero ahora son menos notorios, haciendolos mas que jugables y disfrutables. Sin duda Xenia avanza a pasos agigantados!

  • @NateRD90
    @NateRD90 3 года назад +1

    I have a request, if you would have the time to do something like this.
    You talk a lot about emulation, but would you have the time or the knowledge to make a video series of developing an emulator for a system that hasn't been properly emulated yet (I would suggest the PS Vita for that)?
    It would be beneficial to those studying computer languages and coding.

    • @charliesmith874
      @charliesmith874 3 года назад

      Mate that would take fucking ages

    • @NateRD90
      @NateRD90 3 года назад

      @@charliesmith874 Yes, but it would be valuable into what kind of work actually goes into these.

  • @1987FX16
    @1987FX16 3 года назад

    Been following them since 2015 and holy molly have they been busy lately. Definitely donate to the team, thay deserve it.

  • @IgnatiusAlpha
    @IgnatiusAlpha 3 года назад +1

    This is wonderful news! XBox and XBox 360 emulation need to keep going!

  • @thegreenmind464
    @thegreenmind464 2 года назад +2

    Rockstar: “we will never make a red dead pc version!!”
    Pc community:

    • @McGeezle
      @McGeezle Год назад

      I refuse to play it til it has a mouse plugin though

  • @Mospen
    @Mospen 3 года назад

    Excellent video! Fascinating topic. I look forward to updates as work continues to improve. Great work as always MvG!

  • @SeniorCharry
    @SeniorCharry 3 года назад

    Oh the Xbox 360 brings me back to the good times. I love the Series X, but the 360 was something special. Halo 3 alone made that generation the GOAT.

  • @yandhi1257
    @yandhi1257 3 года назад

    This is super promising that a lot of games are allready running great.
    Hopefully the problem with a lot of things not rendering fh1 will be fixed one time

  • @BossFlight
    @BossFlight 3 года назад +1

    Microsoft could contact these guys and use their expertise on their emulation/backward compatibility solution.

  • @anthonyjoseph808
    @anthonyjoseph808 3 года назад

    Downloaded Xenia last week because I needed to get Sonic 06 gameplay recordings, been having fun playing RDR with it too. My PC is i5-9400f, RTX 2060, and 16gb RAM

  • @latt.qcd9221
    @latt.qcd9221 3 года назад

    Fingers crossed that mouse and keyboard becomes an option in the future for FPS games. Getting to play my old FPS games with a mouse and keyboard would be one of the main reasons to use emulation.

  • @mattscheurman1616
    @mattscheurman1616 3 года назад

    Thank you! I hope there are some major leaps forward soon for original Xbox emulation as well!

  • @neonfatum
    @neonfatum 3 года назад

    Really looking forward to the day that Infinite Undiscovery, Ace COmbat 6 and Ninja Gaiden II are playable on PC.