EQS 297 and S class 223 don’t share the same platform. EQS sedan 297, EQS SUV 296 and that EQE 295 they are all based on EVA 2.0. The only thing that they share with the S class is the STAR3 topology. I love your show. Watch every episode.
I have a Tesla S Ludicrous. Ordered this for my wife in this red color and Pinnacle Trim (includes hyperscreen). Should arrive by the end of the year. Car looks excellent. It is not perfect but certainly very good. IMHO, at $85K better value than the Tesla S and $140K.
Yes the design language is the worst and they all looking the same just different sizes smh it just doesn't look rich or special except for the interior
Why a 10% higher drag coefficient over EQS? Now it they made it look way better... But not really. And a clumsy sedan letterbox boot rather than a lift back. Now if it came as wagon with good frunk and heat pump, a car people would love to have, but it's BARE BONES however much you spec it up. Makes Lucid as a brand really look up. All they need to do is sort the boot situation.
But the S-Class has always been an expression of what will be common place in every manufacturer's repertoire five or six years later. Airbags, ABS, stability control (branded as Electronic Stability Programme), radar based cruise control (Distronic and Distronic PLUS), keyless ignition (Keyless GO), etc. The EV propulsion is no different. It will be commonplace across the ranges from every manufacturer in less than a decade.
How does Lucid put a 280 litre frunk in a same size sedan with LOWER drag coefficient and hugely larger battery, unless Mercedes either blundered, or failed to even try?
0:14 I would add exhibit C, the plasma TV circa 1997. Remember those? The "huge" 47 inch flat panel plasma TV that was $17000-$20000! Along with everything new in tech, the rich are always the guinea pigs. Once they all buy into it, giving the companies the money needed to recoup their development expenditures, the prices will come down for the rest of us.
Excellent point. I’ll add my favorite arcade games of the 90s by SEGA which ran on $20,000 Lockheed-Marietta 3D simulator hardware- now you can buy a $1,500 gaming PC that is hundreds of times more powerful.
Great review as always. The looks of this (and the EQS) just don't do it for me! The car looks melted, especially the nose. Fingerprint city on the touchscreen at 4:26!
Watching Merc’s EQ line development and curious if the CLE will have an EQ model. Agree with the nesting dolls comment and in a good way the 2014-2021 S/E/C benefitted from it, however this EQ series I can see the design flow down to C class and personally not excited for it.
We are not allowed to have EVs we'd want. No wagons either, at all. From any brand, even if many brands had to discontinue sedans because so many spacced up to wagons.
32 minutes for what Korean cars do in 18. Porsche same. The VW Buzz does it in 29 or so. Is Mercedes even trying? Horrible packaging, worse drag than EQS, no heat pump in 2022... And the smaller battery. Same size Lucid Air has hugely more.
Thanks MotoManTV, another great video. I am trying so hard to like these EQ sedan designs, but man, I just can't warm up to them. Their rear end designs are just not well balanced for me. This maybe also due to their long wheelbase and the rear ends being too stubby that throws me off. I guess we all have designs that we love from our past and have our muscle memory in our thinking that when we see something different, we reject it initially. So far though, I just can't warm up to them. I guess I'm gettin' too old. Cheers, M
I agree, I bought the car and tried to like it for 5 months and I could not do it, although my rear wheels turn, making turning radius and parking easier, I just can't accept the design, it is the ugliest EV on the planet
I guess that is the "bread & butter" model from Mercedes, for the driving traveling business person, mostly leased. It comes with all the power you want and can pay. It's a new design language since the EQS formed by...yeah lets say wind. Aerodynamic is key for range. Its not standing out. You need to get inside and close the door. The design language works better on SUV´s, I know ....never thought I would write / say that. Great review and I highly value your opinion.
I agree with you MotoMan about the exterior design. It doesn’t look bad but it doesn’t come close to exciting me either. In 4 years I will be looking for my next car and it will most likely be an EV. I like the MB brand but not necessarily their current EV styling.
They should have made it a wagon rather than yet another teardrop. Also looking forward to next year when Apple CarPlay takes over the whole dash instruments and hvac to see what they do with it
In the uk base 350 starts at £75k. It’s usually $ for pounds so I think the EQE will range from $ 75 to $110k. So it’s compromised and expensive. I’m looking forward to seeing the Ioniq 6 , at least they’ve tried to make aerodynamics an interesting design not this bar of soap!
Great review on a new and important variant of German unobtanium. Sounds like the EQE is like a few more buttons, knobs, and bigger brakes away from being a very good EV.
I'm so over this brand to be honest. I was once such an avid fan and loyal MB supporter. But having driven the new C Class and E Class with their low quality plastic fantastic interior, it's just a hard no. The feeling of quality and solidity is no longer there yet the prices are way above "non premium" brands. Other brands also have all the tech but are also bringing build and material quality. There's so much compromise now with all their cars and I get the sense that everything is built to a cost. BMW is the only German carmaker that has that solid build and material quality. Just compare an X5 to the horribly built GLE. I don't have hopes for their new cars based on their recent offerings.
I like it, better than a Model 3, however..... MB will have to offer more than a Tesla-like interior and subpar charging and driving range. I'll take a Model Y over this. 👍
One thing I’ve discovered with my Model 3 is that Tesla is a very different company than Mercedes. Everything from quality control to customer service (or lack thereof) has made me decide to keep my E400 and sell the M3. Love the car. Hate the company. Not sure this EQE is the solution, though…
Sarcasm has its limits. Couldn't you do a review without an underlying hostility? Rich people? The median price for a new car today is about $50,000. If you think Mercedes are for rich people and that's a problem, don't review Mercedes vehicles. Your audience don't need your social statements. Unless of course you have nothing informative to offer.
@@jamesmitchell6466 I think most of the time it's about the batteries heating up too much and shortens the life of them, and maybe they all use the same batteries, loads and levels, they all need to be limited at that capacity. Top speed limitations are about longevity, as the manufacturers like to say.🙂
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EQS 297 and S class 223 don’t share the same platform. EQS sedan 297, EQS SUV 296 and that EQE 295 they are all based on EVA 2.0. The only thing that they share with the S class is the STAR3 topology.
I love your show. Watch every episode.
Yes, EQS and w223 S-Class are not on the same platform at all. EQE, EQE SUV, EQS, EQS SUV all share the same platform.
@@ModernDayMixtapes interesting. Makes more sense
I have a Tesla S Ludicrous. Ordered this for my wife in this red color and Pinnacle Trim (includes hyperscreen). Should arrive by the end of the year. Car looks excellent. It is not perfect but certainly very good. IMHO, at $85K better value than the Tesla S and $140K.
Yes the design language is the worst and they all looking the same just different sizes smh it just doesn't look rich or special except for the interior
EXACTLY, a modern interpretation of the last Chrysler 200. The MB design team strikes me as the same guys who work for audemar piguet
Wait til you see the iX and i7.
Something about that front end (especially the headlights) reminds me of a Honda Civic......
I would take the civic
I’m not really feeling this car. It just doesn’t feel well thought out
Why a 10% higher drag coefficient over EQS? Now it they made it look way better... But not really. And a clumsy sedan letterbox boot rather than a lift back.
Now if it came as wagon with good frunk and heat pump, a car people would love to have, but it's BARE BONES however much you spec it up. Makes Lucid as a brand really look up. All they need to do is sort the boot situation.
5300 pounds?! Holy Daxatrim Batman!! If the rotors aren't 15 inch+ it ain't enough.
The front 3/4 view gives off an Altima vibe.
Always loved Altima styling (and the Passats it borrows from) so I’m a fan.
11 1/2 hours to fully charge doesn’t sound right.
That's for a level 2 home charger - the comparison was confused.
That “Thing” it doesn’t do on fast acceleration, maybe keeps you from getting nauseous like some other EV’s??
But the S-Class has always been an expression of what will be common place in every manufacturer's repertoire five or six years later. Airbags, ABS, stability control (branded as Electronic Stability Programme), radar based cruise control (Distronic and Distronic PLUS), keyless ignition (Keyless GO), etc. The EV propulsion is no different. It will be commonplace across the ranges from every manufacturer in less than a decade.
How does Lucid put a 280 litre frunk in a same size sedan with LOWER drag coefficient and hugely larger battery, unless Mercedes either blundered, or failed to even try?
But "the best or nothing", right?
I think they've missed the mark on that saying the past 5 years or so.
Lucid shows what you get if you start from a clean slate, Mercedes have just build on the bones of previous platforms.
0:14 I would add exhibit C, the plasma TV circa 1997. Remember those? The "huge" 47 inch flat panel plasma TV that was $17000-$20000! Along with everything new in tech, the rich are always the guinea pigs. Once they all buy into it, giving the companies the money needed to recoup their development expenditures, the prices will come down for the rest of us.
Excellent point. I’ll add my favorite arcade games of the 90s by SEGA which ran on $20,000 Lockheed-Marietta 3D simulator hardware- now you can buy a $1,500 gaming PC that is hundreds of times more powerful.
I love it looks really good inside outside
I also reviewed the Mercedes EQE, it feels like Mercedes rushed when they designed the EQE
Great review as always. The looks of this (and the EQS) just don't do it for me! The car looks melted, especially the nose. Fingerprint city on the touchscreen at 4:26!
When electric cars do not look like suppositories, i may take one more seriously.
You should always take your suppositories seriously
@@clarencetaylor7455 hahaha yessss
Watching Merc’s EQ line development and curious if the CLE will have an EQ model. Agree with the nesting dolls comment and in a good way the 2014-2021 S/E/C benefitted from it, however this EQ series I can see the design flow down to C class and personally not excited for it.
We are not allowed to have EVs we'd want. No wagons either, at all. From any brand, even if many brands had to discontinue sedans because so many spacced up to wagons.
32 minutes for what Korean cars do in 18. Porsche same.
The VW Buzz does it in 29 or so.
Is Mercedes even trying? Horrible packaging, worse drag than EQS, no heat pump in 2022... And the smaller battery.
Same size Lucid Air has hugely more.
Thanks MotoManTV, another great video.
I am trying so hard to like these EQ sedan designs, but man, I just can't warm up to them. Their rear end designs are just not well balanced for me. This maybe also due to their long wheelbase and the rear ends being too stubby that throws me off. I guess we all have designs that we love from our past and have our muscle memory in our thinking that when we see something different, we reject it initially. So far though, I just can't warm up to them. I guess I'm gettin' too old.
Cheers,
M
I agree, I bought the car and tried to like it for 5 months and I could not do it, although my rear wheels turn, making turning radius and parking easier, I just can't accept the design, it is the ugliest EV on the planet
I guess that is the "bread & butter" model from Mercedes, for the driving traveling business person, mostly leased. It comes with all the power you want and can pay. It's a new design language since the EQS formed by...yeah lets say wind. Aerodynamic is key for range. Its not standing out. You need to get inside and close the door. The design language works better on SUV´s, I know ....never thought I would write / say that. Great review and I highly value your opinion.
NICE CAR
I agree with you MotoMan about the exterior design. It doesn’t look bad but it doesn’t come close to exciting me either. In 4 years I will be looking for my next car and it will most likely be an EV. I like the MB brand but not necessarily their current EV styling.
Not my cup of pepsi
70k for the 350 and 90k for the EQE 500 not even close to the model 3 size 3 series and C class competitor
They should have made it a wagon rather than yet another teardrop. Also looking forward to next year when Apple CarPlay takes over the whole dash instruments and hvac to see what they do with it
In the uk base 350 starts at £75k. It’s usually $ for pounds so I think the EQE will range from $ 75 to $110k. So it’s compromised and expensive. I’m looking forward to seeing the Ioniq 6 , at least they’ve tried to make aerodynamics an interesting design not this bar of soap!
30 Minutes from 10 to 80%, 11 hours till 100 % ...... hmmm think the charging power is different
Sorry: to charge to 80% is 32 min and to 100% 11.5 HOURS?! That can’t be right?!
Great review on a new and important variant of German unobtanium. Sounds like the EQE is like a few more buttons, knobs, and bigger brakes away from being a very good EV.
Why unobtainable?! Walk in and buy one. There are EQS sitting on the lot in Canada.
It’ll be $100k with all the options.
They took the rear lights out of a 98-03 Ford Escort.
More like EQ GLE ！
Sick of car reviews about cars that don't exist...
trickle down Reaganomics 😅
I'm so over this brand to be honest. I was once such an avid fan and loyal MB supporter. But having driven the new C Class and E Class with their low quality plastic fantastic interior, it's just a hard no. The feeling of quality and solidity is no longer there yet the prices are way above "non premium" brands. Other brands also have all the tech but are also bringing build and material quality. There's so much compromise now with all their cars and I get the sense that everything is built to a cost. BMW is the only German carmaker that has that solid build and material quality. Just compare an X5 to the horribly built GLE. I don't have hopes for their new cars based on their recent offerings.
An improvement in styling, slightly. But let's be frank: they need to fire all their designers and start from scratch. No one likes these designs.
SUV????
2023 summer
I like it, better than a Model 3, however.....
MB will have to offer more than a Tesla-like interior and subpar charging and driving range.
I'll take a Model Y over this. 👍
One thing I’ve discovered with my Model 3 is that Tesla is a very different company than Mercedes. Everything from quality control to customer service (or lack thereof) has made me decide to keep my E400 and sell the M3. Love the car. Hate the company. Not sure this EQE is the solution, though…
All these EV sedans remind me of the Lexus HS250h. In other words, these are forgettable.
I never thought I’d say that I would go for Kia over a Mercedes, but here I am saying it. This looks like shit.
Sarcasm has its limits. Couldn't you do a review without an underlying hostility? Rich people? The median price for a new car today is about $50,000. If you think Mercedes are for rich people and that's a problem, don't review Mercedes vehicles. Your audience don't need your social statements. Unless of course you have nothing informative to offer.
Ugly car on the outside
People do not have to be rich to buy this Car 🙄. . It’s not a RR or Bentley
130 mph means 140 hp. My 718 Boxster T has 300 hp. It tops at 172 mph on stock everything.
All the non-AMG EQ models are electronically limited to 130 top end. Don't know why.
@@jamesmitchell6466 I think most of the time it's about the batteries heating up too much and shortens the life of them, and maybe they all use the same batteries, loads and levels, they all need to be limited at that capacity. Top speed limitations are about longevity, as the manufacturers like to say.🙂
@@-Munditimum- Thank you! I love learning about EV's - it's a new world.
@@jamesmitchell6466 for incels, maybe
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