Oh cripes, DCDWANGO.WAD Map 14 is one of mine too! I don't even remember releasing it, but I remember writing it... I haven't heard that midi in 25 years! Here's fun tidbit- I recycled the main riff from this midi into the song "ripsnort" used in Icarus Map 21! ruclips.net/video/wtfm6RYrFa8/видео.html
I had a sneaking suspicion these tunes might have been yours! So glad this mystery is finally solved! For some reason about a year ago, I was under the false impression someone had ran this by you, but I was wrong - I somehow picked up on the similarity to other TNT/Icarus tracks, particularly Stomp.mid. www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2037978 Thanks for all the badass MIDIs!
To ensure longstanding mysteries like this will remain for future generations to solve, I will make sure to omit proper music credits in my future WAD releases.
The song from 9:10 is a rip from Sierra/Dynamix Metaltech Earthsiege -> ruclips.net/video/A1dLmGSmJj4/видео.html - I played that game a lot as a kid. Loved its music, also Earthsiege 2 which came as Redbook Audio.
Forget the music--I'm just now learning after 25 years that a custom bamboo status bar that I made for the fun of it ended up being used in a popular online gaming service. I specifically remember making that graphic using a shareware version of NeoPaint circa 1995. I remember having to shade in the darker areas pixel-by-pixel either because I didn't know what I was doing or because the program wasn't powerful enough to streamline the process. Either way, I was no Adrian Carmack. I can't remember if I ever released the status bar as a standalone WAD, but 14-year old me ended up using it in one of my early, cringey map packs called HOUSES14.WAD, which was a compilation of deathmatch maps other people made of their houses that I basically took without permission and "cleaned up" by doing things like fixing texture alignment and correcting mapping faux pas (e.g. doors that disappeared into the sky when opened) while doing absolutely nothing to actually improve how they played. If DWANGO used this status bar in their map packs, this is likely the WAD it originally came from.
Here’s your old wad, complete with status bar! www.wad-archive.com/wad/Once-Again-Houses-1-4 So glad to finally know the source of that status bar after all these years. I'm guessing modifying it using software from 1995 was not at all easy, based on your description. EDIT: Sure enough, here's the status bar replacement you released on it's own! www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/pipebar - Dated June 10th 1995, and Dwango5 is dated July 19th 1995. Looks like Aikman really liked your status bar and "borrowed" it just one month later! Thanks for sharing this comment - that status bar of yours has been seen by countless thousands of people at this point, lol. Re-used in other wads lots of times too. You left a permanent little etching on deathmatch history by making it!
@@DoomKid Oh wow, thanks for tracking that down. I would have never found that on my own. This is all coming back now. The timeline I had suggested wouldn't have made any sense without it since Houses 1.4 wouldn't have come out until October of that year (and 1.3, where it seems to have made its first ever appearance, has no date on it at all). I don't think I spent more than an hour or two making it, and any complaints about difficulty was just me bellyaching. I had assumed that big boy tools like Deluxe Paint would have made things easier, but after actually messing with it, I can see that definitely wouldn't have been the case. On another note, I was probably better off not reading through the text files again. "Bugs: No, it is perfect and cool looking." Ugh...
Update: DwangoX Map12 comes from Earthsiege (thanks to damsonn for finding it!) The other two are by Jeremy Doyle! As a side note, a big thank you to zorilla0 for making the famous Dwango5 status bar Also, here's the Twilight Zone Theme midi (TZ_THEME), since many people have been asking for it: www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2146191 For the first few seconds there was clear inspiration taken from "Sounds Like a Melody" and "U Got 2 Let The Music", but that's only the very beginning, the song sounds pretty unique from that point on, going into a big piano solo and stuff. It's a great MIDI!
chibi chan I don’t think those two were musicians. There have been numerous community members who have died since then though, so sadly the composer no longer being alive is a possibility. Hope that’s not the case though..
lmao, I didn’t even think about that, I was trying to make it so Doomguy was looking at the Dwango logo! My photoshop skills aren’t exactly that great..
@skinfullofdoom from what I remember, Doomguy doesn't enter the base and stands to guard the perimeter while the rest of his team investigates the inside. They die and he enters to check things out. So, probably one is of his unnamed squad members.
nice to see that they used music from 2 unlimited. i am dutch and they are from the netherlands. fucn fact also is that the song Twilight Zone by 2 unlimited is used for the Mortal Kombat theme. a belgian group stole the sample of that song and created the mortal kombat theme song. anyway interesting video. love this kind of stuff.
At first I was trying to pinpoint it thinking a mix of MGS and Perfect Dark, but MGS2 theme makes way more sense MGS2 Theme: ruclips.net/video/JaMMDrXiRBo/видео.html
I cant remember but it was rumoured that the mgs theme was a close copy of a Russian composed song many years ago. Maybe that is where it was inspired from
*We'll get to brutally murder all the Rivals when the world is just about to be consumed by the Sun in it's supergiant stage in a couple billion years, guys.*
ive been through several thousand songs today trying to find those last 2 midis with no luck, ive been at this non stop for the past few hours mostly 80s/early 90s metal and rock and video games game songs from around the time
im still looking, i mostly using playlists of songs on youtube to try to find it, ive been though various metal, grunge, and hard rock playlists, and albums by various artists/bands (Megadeth, Slayer, Dio, Testament, Anthrax, Pantera, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, ect)
Oh boy GMDANC00.MID is actually one song I had in my ear for literally two decades. Long story short, back in 1996 or 1997 I didnt have much access to internet (I was a kid back then) but I had several of these CDs filled with "shareware" programs. One of these magazines, a Spanish one named "Hot Shareware" in its first CD used this music in their "menu" program, uncredited. I had no idea that the track had been in a Doom map either. It was over two decades missing that song, that seemed *really* complex for a normal midi (in my mind it sounded more like a song in .mod format). Ironically last week I found someone had converted some of these Hot Shareware to .iso, so I recovered the midi, and have been listening to it often since then. In a certain way its fun to think that this video was a closure for a topic that had me very curious for a long time. Thank you for it. And thank you for such nice track, mr. Hurst.
7:12 Could also pass as a rip from 32x Doom, no one would bat an eye. The second unknown midi sounds super familiar, but I am thinking probably from another random Doom wad unfortunately.
3:13 Are you sure that was a lie? Based on context, it's possible Sir Fragsalot wasn't claiming to have composed D_Between but instead calling it his favorite. This is at least how I initially interpreted it.
I've definitely heard the Dwango 10 Map 10 song in multiple wads. Dwango has such a great midi selection, and the song at 5:03 has to be my favorite midi of them all in any wad
MIDIs have the power to increase your overall enjoyment of a map by a large margin. I've always been a fan of MIDIs that sound more somber and ''doomy'', like Sign of Evil and Agony Rhapsody. Some WADS truly have som interesting midis that will probably be forgotten in time. On another note, I've always find funny of B.P.R.D made his own music but never gave the name his songs, or at least that I'm aware of.
11:19 I couldn't tell you if this actually sounds good or not, I have such a huge soft spot for midi metal. In high school I was so huge into Doom and also I was learning how to use earlier versions of Game Maker so Midis were a huge part of my life. To this day I hear Midi electric guitar and drums and bass and I can't help but love it!
GLOBAL ONLINE DEATH MATCH WITH DIFFERENT MAPS IN 1994! I love when I find how somebody thought of an idea that years later will be a standard but it was limited to the technology at the time.
Can't identify the last two songs but they definitely sound like they were sequenced by the same person to me. tbh hearing these MIDIs again makes me think I should get back into Doom online, recently I've been messing around with source ports on Retroarch and my N64 flash cart and if there was a way to get DWANGO5 and local multiplayer on the latter I'd do it.
I bet the guy is one of those creators that doesnt want to be found. He just likes that people enjoy their work and probably gets off on being a sought after mystery. Cool dood.
Both DCDWANGO and DWANGO10 seems to be MIDIfied versions of music from rock bands; I swear that DWANGO10 seems like a Godsmack music MIDIfied, with intro, two savage beats, then a calm part, just to increase in guitar in the end.
Holy shit that third one I've actually asked people about its origin in person and others couldn't identify it either. If this source ever gets figured out I wanna know about it.
You may want to look into the Distorted Reality soundtracks for DWANGOX.WAD map 12, the song sounds so familiar to Spyro 2's hurricos and given that Stewart Copeland used both digital reality CDsto record the Spyro soundtrack as well as Heart of Africa it might just be someone making their own original track for their doom map or someone testing out musc to midi using Distorted Reality and seeing the results that found its way to a doom map. Edit: various typo corrections
DwangoX M12 was finally identified as being from Earthsiege, but this is still an interesting avenue to check - the other 2 are still unidentified - thanks!
@@DoomKid np dude and thanks for the info. If you want to check out the Distorted Reality its fairly pricey at $100 for digital, which is more than what people are willing to pay just to find names for old wad tacks. I'm sure there is a cheaper way of obtaining them 🏴☠️ but that's depending on were your moral compass leads you. Regardless I hope this info helps people find their missing tracks.
Classical conversations on forums. OP : Who made this ? user 1: Tomorrow i will be doing something interesting outside. user 2: It looks like it's sweeping time. OP: For fuck sake who made this thing ? user 1: Why you are so toxic ? user2: Just ban him...
Hey! I showed up in this video haha. This was a great watch. I thought DWANGO5 Map20 was actually by Minamiyama, but glad to find out its true origins. I was also under the suspicion that it was some sort of MIDI demo.
I’ve heard 10 somewhere recently in a much higher quality...I think it might be from a famous heavy metal band (similar to Metallica), but I forgot it’s name.
@@colehenderson518 I'm looking for it now, I think its in the playlist called "video game themes" on the liked channel: ruclips.net/channel/UCdRePVOjBZLZeqZYzcAiOcAplaylists
Hey, DoomKid, love your content as always (I'm M_W on DW), but suuuuuper minor correction at 7:01 MIDI was standardized in the early eighties and was more or less universal in digital synthesizers throughout the decade. General MIDI, the standard that defined the 128 program numbers able to reproduce entire compositions, was established in 1991. Super minor error not worth correcting, but I'd recommend you check out the history of MIDI if you're interested.
Total flub on my part, glad you made this correction. I should have said General MIDI, not just MIDI outright. When I said it was a "new standard" (or whatever wording I used) I was definitely referring to GM specifically!
One of the songs in your video is Yazoo - Situation, originally at least, but the general sound of it sounds more like the cover version by a group named Chinese Detectives. The first of the 3 mystery songs sounds familiar somehow but it can be the fact its a midi song and that it just sounds similar to another song.
There was a site that I believe was from 1998, called "Abode the Superfly". There was a bunch of music on there done with that Bobby Prince style. It was awesome, and now it's gone and I can't find anything from it lol.
I'm pretty sure this is the site: web.archive.org/web/20050427185526/members.aol.com/se7thson/superfly.html - Sadly I can't find the music links though!
14 is such a trash translation of a song though. It's like they just copied the drummer and didn't record any of the melody or support instruments. It'll be difficult to find the original track.
I'm pretty sure the second unknown song is "Rawk" by J. Doyle. It says so in dascott3.zip. That zip file has a text file that links to the old website of Jeremy Doyle. The website is in the Internet Archive, but rawk.mid isn't unfortunately.
You win the detective prize! Thanks for clueing me in to this video, ironically enough I watched most of it a few months ago when Doomkid posted it, but didn't watch till the end haha!
@@JeremyDoyleMusic I love how your old website says "I wrote this song almost 2 years ago, and people are still sending me mail about it." Now it could say: "I wrote this song almost 25 years ago, and people are still fascinated by it." :)
@@DookNookim Haha! I never could have imagined it would become such a mystery to people 25 years later! I find it very amusing to read all the speculation about it's origins.
Well, I'll be damned. DWANGO10.WAD MAP10 is one of mine! A very old Midi I wrote, simply titled "rawk.mid" honestly, one of the very first pieces of midi music I ever put out on the internet, before I became part of the Doom modding community.
a couple of these were used in the wad for zdaemon called 2dmmaps: the TZ_ THEME, which i also misattributed to gemstorm. And the very last of the video (map 14), which has been a mystery for me too. It's nice to see that there are many people who love these old doom midis like i do.
Dwango10.WAD Map10 uses a similar riff to Eviternity Map 21(Everything Explodes by Jimmy Paddock). Maybe the Eviternity song was inspired by the source.
Dwango10 map 10 sounds eerily familiar, though I'm not sure if that's like a placebo sort of thing, or I'm actually remembering something. Probably some semi-obscure (or I guess really obscure) grunge song, kind of doubt it since most of the bands I listen to are from ~2010. Maybe Filter? Only album that could fit would be Short Bus from 1995, depending on when the pack was made.
Um, Doomkid, do you have the midi files for the two unknown tracks? I might try to see if something like Shazam can recognize the tracks if I modify the instrument sounds
Holy shit thank you for figuring out map 11, I remember searching for that song for ages a few years back. I found a video of the midi, but I never knew the real song. Thank you. Edit: I also remember people calling the song “Starfluxx mempheria”
There's a series of MIDI files that are even more obscure & unknown than the MIDI files of the DWANGO DOOM PWADs. Those MIDI files are the MusiClips series released by Voyetra Technologies back in the early 1990s.
Nine Inch Nails and Heretic are the most reoccurring on the Dwango track list, so the original creator of the the midi tracks definitely had a certain taste. Unless they're original stock midi tracks, chances are they could originate from similar music, possibly less well-known independent groups. Another possible clue is that the unknown midi tracks could be based off of songs or soundtracks prior to the 90's altogether. Composers often take inspiration from those who came before them.
ive been through youtube playlists of various 80s and early 90s metal, rock and grunge to try to find something similar but i dont know im finding anything similar to the 2 missing tracks
I didn't read it as the poster claiming the music at 3:11. The poster before them says they like this one song from this pack so I think Sir Fragsalot is saying "Map04's music, D_Between, is mine" as in 'my 1 song I like from the pack'.
So now we just need to sequence Ride the/Like the Wind into MIDI, add it to a deathmatch wad, change the creation date to be the late 90s and have the forum users track down the creators.
The last one seems to use the tempo, but not the melody, of Secret of Mana's "Oracle" (the song played during the fight with the Dark Lich, or Thanatos), up to the point where I could predict at the end that it would get a "silent" part with stuff happening.
Map10 sounds like 80s metal to me. Something like Metallica (but I'm sure it's not). The way the track moves it feels like there's someone singing verses, intreludes, and choruses.
@@DoomKid Hope he's alright ... on the other hand he's probably something between 75-90 by now EDIT: Last seen on Doomworld in 2008, last seen on Zdaemon in 2015 :/
I listen to a lot of metal, so at some point I may be able to identify DWANGO10 MAP10, but sadly it just doesn't ring a bell. If anybody else manages to solve it, reply here please. It's so catchy and I'd love to add the original to my Spotify playlist
@@DoomKid Ok yeah it's Cappela's U Got 2 Let the Music, but it's not just the 3 minute one, it's the extended version, check it out: ruclips.net/video/bWVPKCANMwI/видео.html I just played both tracks back to back and Gemstone clearly stole this theme as did DWad, probably from a dance hall. The comparison is 1:1.
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Oh cripes, DCDWANGO.WAD Map 14 is one of mine too! I don't even remember releasing it, but I remember writing it... I haven't heard that midi in 25 years! Here's fun tidbit- I recycled the main riff from this midi into the song "ripsnort" used in Icarus Map 21!
ruclips.net/video/wtfm6RYrFa8/видео.html
I had a sneaking suspicion these tunes might have been yours! So glad this mystery is finally solved!
For some reason about a year ago, I was under the false impression someone had ran this by you, but I was wrong - I somehow picked up on the similarity to other TNT/Icarus tracks, particularly Stomp.mid. www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2037978
Thanks for all the badass MIDIs!
Yo your shit kicks ass. There is a better way to phrase that, but I've been drinking, Anyway, Good shit. Should be proud!
To ensure longstanding mysteries like this will remain for future generations to solve, I will make sure to omit proper music credits in my future WAD releases.
i can SMELL the amount of likes this comment will get
Marphy’s contributions to the Doom community just keep stacking up!
Marph, Doom facts series when? :(
@@endless_doom5337 That's ducino's gig. I specialize in Revenants, Revenant accessories, and more Revenants.
@@endless_doom5337 that's decino's area. Marphy fun fact series is more into hl universe
The song from 9:10 is a rip from Sierra/Dynamix Metaltech Earthsiege -> ruclips.net/video/A1dLmGSmJj4/видео.html - I played that game a lot as a kid. Loved its music, also Earthsiege 2 which came as Redbook Audio.
Holy shit, thanks a ton! Hopefully someone can come along and nail 11:19 and 14:17 so we can finally lay this one to rest!
Holy fuck! Instant resolve!
Quickest story arch conclusion in the west.
Whoa
The irony, the actual song most likely uses MIDI sequencing, just change the soundfont.
Forget the music--I'm just now learning after 25 years that a custom bamboo status bar that I made for the fun of it ended up being used in a popular online gaming service.
I specifically remember making that graphic using a shareware version of NeoPaint circa 1995. I remember having to shade in the darker areas pixel-by-pixel either because I didn't know what I was doing or because the program wasn't powerful enough to streamline the process. Either way, I was no Adrian Carmack.
I can't remember if I ever released the status bar as a standalone WAD, but 14-year old me ended up using it in one of my early, cringey map packs called HOUSES14.WAD, which was a compilation of deathmatch maps other people made of their houses that I basically took without permission and "cleaned up" by doing things like fixing texture alignment and correcting mapping faux pas (e.g. doors that disappeared into the sky when opened) while doing absolutely nothing to actually improve how they played. If DWANGO used this status bar in their map packs, this is likely the WAD it originally came from.
Here’s your old wad, complete with status bar! www.wad-archive.com/wad/Once-Again-Houses-1-4
So glad to finally know the source of that status bar after all these years. I'm guessing modifying it using software from 1995 was not at all easy, based on your description. EDIT: Sure enough, here's the status bar replacement you released on it's own! www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/pipebar - Dated June 10th 1995, and Dwango5 is dated July 19th 1995. Looks like Aikman really liked your status bar and "borrowed" it just one month later!
Thanks for sharing this comment - that status bar of yours has been seen by countless thousands of people at this point, lol. Re-used in other wads lots of times too. You left a permanent little etching on deathmatch history by making it!
@@DoomKid Oh wow, thanks for tracking that down. I would have never found that on my own. This is all coming back now. The timeline I had suggested wouldn't have made any sense without it since Houses 1.4 wouldn't have come out until October of that year (and 1.3, where it seems to have made its first ever appearance, has no date on it at all).
I don't think I spent more than an hour or two making it, and any complaints about difficulty was just me bellyaching. I had assumed that big boy tools like Deluxe Paint would have made things easier, but after actually messing with it, I can see that definitely wouldn't have been the case.
On another note, I was probably better off not reading through the text files again. "Bugs: No, it is perfect and cool looking." Ugh...
Wow, I loved NeoPaint! It was the first Graphics Program I ever used that supported 16 million colors! (In DOS!)
Congrats on making a mark on Doom modding history.
This is fucking cool and I love your Qoo avatar
Update: DwangoX Map12 comes from Earthsiege (thanks to damsonn for finding it!) The other two are by Jeremy Doyle!
As a side note, a big thank you to zorilla0 for making the famous Dwango5 status bar
Also, here's the Twilight Zone Theme midi (TZ_THEME), since many people have been asking for it: www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2146191
For the first few seconds there was clear inspiration taken from "Sounds Like a Melody" and "U Got 2 Let The Music", but that's only the very beginning, the song sounds pretty unique from that point on, going into a big piano solo and stuff. It's a great MIDI!
i wonder if maybe any of the music was made by someone already dead or maybe Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold or the like, one never knows.
chibi chan I don’t think those two were musicians. There have been numerous community members who have died since then though, so sadly the composer no longer being alive is a possibility. Hope that’s not the case though..
That explains why it sounded familiar despite me never being a deathmatcher.
Not gonna lie, those occasional 'wap's make it especially fire.
11:19 sounds like luminol by TAD.
14:18 kinda sounds like The Ultra Violence by Death Angel.
Loving the MIDI version of Depeche Mode's Strangelove at the beginning! That makes perfect Doom music!
I agree, I've used it in a couple maps. Such a catchy tune
For what it's worth, the farting midi is Syphony Of Destruction by Megadeth.
More like Symphony of Dispersion
*OHHHHHHHHH*
I thought you were gonna solve the mystery of the corpse in e1m1 from the thumbnail.
lmao, I didn’t even think about that, I was trying to make it so Doomguy was looking at the Dwango logo! My photoshop skills aren’t exactly that great..
@skinfullofdoom from what I remember, Doomguy doesn't enter the base and stands to guard the perimeter while the rest of his team investigates the inside. They die and he enters to check things out. So, probably one is of his unnamed squad members.
@@vladalexan but WHO was that unnamed squad mate?
@@lilacaggression8956 shit, got me there
@@lilacaggression8956 Bill
That unidentified DWANGOX midi gives me some Goldeneye/Rare-esque vibes.
I’ve always thought it would fit right in a Donkey Kong Country game!
@@DoomKid Yea, I was thinking about that actually, anyone who has looked into DK's OST?
It low-key sounds like Killing is my business and business is good
Same here
It gave me petscop vibes the map 12 one
For Dwango X_Map 12, I was thinking "This is so familiar, I know this from something", only to realize that it was in Rowdy Rudy II :/
All three of the unidentified midis sound very familiar, but I have no idea where I heard them.
nice to see that they used music from 2 unlimited. i am dutch and they are from the netherlands. fucn fact also is that the song Twilight Zone by 2 unlimited is used for the Mortal Kombat theme. a belgian group stole the sample of that song and created the mortal kombat theme song. anyway interesting video. love this kind of stuff.
The DWANGOX song sounds like the Metal Gear Solid 2 theme a lil bit
At first I was trying to pinpoint it thinking a mix of MGS and Perfect Dark, but MGS2 theme makes way more sense
MGS2 Theme: ruclips.net/video/JaMMDrXiRBo/видео.html
I cant remember but it was rumoured that the mgs theme was a close copy of a Russian composed song many years ago. Maybe that is where it was inspired from
ugh it's frustrating! i don't know if it's because i heard that dwangoX song before, but it sounds super familiar
Me: Holy shit this song is awesome! What's it called?
Author: New Music = Yes
Readme.txt in a nutshell.
I hated reading that on idgames txts lol
No Artist - Track 04 ;)
It amazes me how people find the source to some of these obscure songs
The last two are Bobby Prince just messing with us...
/s
Don't worry this Mystery will be solved before Yandere Simulator gets finished
The universe will succumb to heat death before Yandere Sim is finished.
So we have time till eternity
*We'll get to brutally murder all the Rivals when the world is just about to be consumed by the Sun in it's supergiant stage in a couple billion years, guys.*
@skinfullofdoom 😂
ive been through several thousand songs today trying to find those last 2 midis with no luck, ive been at this non stop for the past few hours
mostly 80s/early 90s metal and rock and video games game songs from around the time
I appreciate you trying regardless, thanks for helping in the effort!
im still looking, i mostly using playlists of songs on youtube to try to find it, ive been though various metal, grunge, and hard rock playlists, and albums by various artists/bands (Megadeth, Slayer, Dio, Testament, Anthrax, Pantera, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, ect)
@@majamystic256 Still looking? Cuz i am and i swear i heard this a few times
Oh boy
GMDANC00.MID is actually one song I had in my ear for literally two decades. Long story short, back in 1996 or 1997 I didnt have much access to internet (I was a kid back then) but I had several of these CDs filled with "shareware" programs.
One of these magazines, a Spanish one named "Hot Shareware" in its first CD used this music in their "menu" program, uncredited. I had no idea that the track had been in a Doom map either.
It was over two decades missing that song, that seemed *really* complex for a normal midi (in my mind it sounded more like a song in .mod format). Ironically last week I found someone had converted some of these Hot Shareware to .iso, so I recovered the midi, and have been listening to it often since then.
In a certain way its fun to think that this video was a closure for a topic that had me very curious for a long time. Thank you for it. And thank you for such nice track, mr. Hurst.
haha thanks for the shoutout for the dwango5 map1 discovery :)
Thanks for finding it!
7:12
Could also pass as a rip from 32x Doom, no one would bat an eye.
The second unknown midi sounds super familiar, but I am thinking probably from another random Doom wad unfortunately.
3:13 Are you sure that was a lie? Based on context, it's possible Sir Fragsalot wasn't claiming to have composed D_Between but instead calling it his favorite. This is at least how I initially interpreted it.
I think you may be right..!
Hey! I can see my nickname here at 6:22! :D
Anyways, great video about discussing the mysteries, keep up the good work! :)
I've definitely heard the Dwango 10 Map 10 song in multiple wads. Dwango has such a great midi selection, and the song at 5:03 has to be my favorite midi of them all in any wad
Good taste, Ed!
I swear I was thinking the same thing, it sounds so familiar.
you should check out 'temple sleeper' by burial
The new Dwango nusic may be interesting, but give me "Sinister" or "Demons on the Prey" anyday!
What a beautiful Dwango.
8 bit Depeche mode.... you have a way to my heart.
Not 8 bit but ok
8 bit?
Very interesting to hear some obscure history of gaming community from the time before I was born! Anyway, nice video btw
I know I heard something that sounds similar to that last one, but it's a piece of music I have been unable to find myself for years.
6:39
Damn, that song is something else.
that crap slaps
@@MorriganQueen451 I wanna hear Davie504 play it.
MIDIs have the power to increase your overall enjoyment of a map by a large margin. I've always been a fan of MIDIs that sound more somber and ''doomy'', like Sign of Evil and Agony Rhapsody. Some WADS truly have som interesting midis that will probably be forgotten in time. On another note, I've always find funny of B.P.R.D made his own music but never gave the name his songs, or at least that I'm aware of.
That feeling when even a composer isn’t bothered about their song titles being known!
Yeah, thpse last 3 somgs are MINE... no i don't have proof
anyway im going too go false copyright cliam
When I heard map01 from dwango5 nostalgia hit me haaaaaaaaaaaaard
Unsolved MIDI Mysteries with your host, Doomkid 👾
lol, I love Unsolved Mysteries
11:19 I couldn't tell you if this actually sounds good or not, I have such a huge soft spot for midi metal. In high school I was so huge into Doom and also I was learning how to use earlier versions of Game Maker so Midis were a huge part of my life. To this day I hear Midi electric guitar and drums and bass and I can't help but love it!
It sounds cool to me too, MIDI always makes me think of great old DOS games!
That last song is freaking killing me, my mind keeps telling me it's a Metallica or Megadeth song but I just can't place it.
It's written in the classic metallica style but I'm pretty confident it's no metallica song.
Yup... has elements taken from Metallica "One" (the ending of the song)
Kinda sounds like Pantera's "Cowboys From Hell"
7:11 is that Symphony of Destruction?
It is! Good ear
I knew I heard it somewhere. In the back of my head I even added lyrics (garbled of course).
GLOBAL ONLINE DEATH MATCH WITH DIFFERENT MAPS IN 1994!
I love when I find how somebody thought of an idea that years later will be a standard but it was limited to the technology at the time.
Weird how the depeche mode sounds normal until you get to the vocals
Can't identify the last two songs but they definitely sound like they were sequenced by the same person to me. tbh hearing these MIDIs again makes me think I should get back into Doom online, recently I've been messing around with source ports on Retroarch and my N64 flash cart and if there was a way to get DWANGO5 and local multiplayer on the latter I'd do it.
It’d be great to see you get back into it, AP. I loved the DM wad you made a few years back!
Zandronum is by far the easiest to get online working with
I bet the guy is one of those creators that doesnt want to be found. He just likes that people enjoy their work and probably gets off on being a sought after mystery. Cool dood.
Both DCDWANGO and DWANGO10 seems to be MIDIfied versions of music from rock bands; I swear that DWANGO10 seems like a Godsmack music MIDIfied, with intro, two savage beats, then a calm part, just to increase in guitar in the end.
I'm totally with you on this. I have a gut feeling I've heard the exact song it's portraying.
So glad you named the songs in the video's timeline. Didn't realize it was Strangelove and it drove me crazy
Even with only relatively recently getting into doom compared to 20 years (a few months back) this kinda content is still gripping for me, great video
I appreciate that
Holy shit that third one I've actually asked people about its origin in person and others couldn't identify it either. If this source ever gets figured out I wanna know about it.
Hello past me, it's solved. Jeremy Doyle has come forward to ID it!
You may want to look into the Distorted Reality soundtracks for DWANGOX.WAD map 12, the song sounds so familiar to Spyro 2's hurricos and given that Stewart Copeland used both digital reality CDsto record the Spyro soundtrack as well as Heart of Africa it might just be someone making their own original track for their doom map or someone testing out musc to midi using Distorted Reality and seeing the results that found its way to a doom map.
Edit: various typo corrections
DwangoX M12 was finally identified as being from Earthsiege, but this is still an interesting avenue to check - the other 2 are still unidentified - thanks!
@@DoomKid np dude and thanks for the info. If you want to check out the Distorted Reality its fairly pricey at $100 for digital, which is more than what people are willing to pay just to find names for old wad tacks. I'm sure there is a cheaper way of obtaining them 🏴☠️ but that's depending on were your moral compass leads you. Regardless I hope this info helps people find their missing tracks.
11:19 Unknown sounds like something metallica would make.
but im sure many better people can searched harder.
Classical conversations on forums.
OP : Who made this ?
user 1: Tomorrow i will be doing something interesting outside.
user 2: It looks like it's sweeping time.
OP: For fuck sake who made this thing ?
user 1: Why you are so toxic ?
user2: Just ban him...
wtf starts DCDWANGO.WAD's MAP14 music
subtitles: [Laughter]
LOL I guess it thinks the guitar is laughing!
Hey! I showed up in this video haha. This was a great watch. I thought DWANGO5 Map20 was actually by Minamiyama, but glad to find out its true origins. I was also under the suspicion that it was some sort of MIDI demo.
I’ve heard 10 somewhere recently in a much higher quality...I think it might be from a famous heavy metal band (similar to Metallica), but I forgot it’s name.
ive been through metal playlists on youtube trying to find something
I feel that. 10 totally sounds like something I've heard recently with good metal production.
@@colehenderson518 I'm looking for it now, I think its in the playlist called "video game themes" on the liked channel: ruclips.net/channel/UCdRePVOjBZLZeqZYzcAiOcAplaylists
@@colehenderson518 Each video is around 4 minutes and only compares small pieces of video game music to what it was inspired by.
That Map 10 midi sounds ungodly familiar, I just can't place it. Thank you for frustrating me.
Hey, DoomKid, love your content as always (I'm M_W on DW), but suuuuuper minor correction at 7:01
MIDI was standardized in the early eighties and was more or less universal in digital synthesizers throughout the decade. General MIDI, the standard that defined the 128 program numbers able to reproduce entire compositions, was established in 1991. Super minor error not worth correcting, but I'd recommend you check out the history of MIDI if you're interested.
Total flub on my part, glad you made this correction. I should have said General MIDI, not just MIDI outright. When I said it was a "new standard" (or whatever wording I used) I was definitely referring to GM specifically!
If "wholesome" was a thread.
absolutely fascinating. there's just something magical about these old school internet mysteries, especially when it comes to the topic of lost media
Glad you find these kinds of mysteries interesting, I love em!
One of the songs in your video is Yazoo - Situation, originally at least, but the general sound of it sounds more like the cover version by a group named Chinese Detectives. The first of the 3 mystery songs sounds familiar somehow but it can be the fact its a midi song and that it just sounds similar to another song.
There was a site that I believe was from 1998, called "Abode the Superfly". There was a bunch of music on there done with that Bobby Prince style. It was awesome, and now it's gone and I can't find anything from it lol.
I'm pretty sure this is the site: web.archive.org/web/20050427185526/members.aol.com/se7thson/superfly.html - Sadly I can't find the music links though!
That was some really hardcore flute playing on that last song.
the map 14 sounds like something from megadeth
14 is such a trash translation of a song though. It's like they just copied the drummer and didn't record any of the melody or support instruments. It'll be difficult to find the original track.
I'm pretty sure the second unknown song is "Rawk" by J. Doyle. It says so in dascott3.zip. That zip file has a text file that links to the old website of Jeremy Doyle. The website is in the Internet Archive, but rawk.mid isn't unfortunately.
You win the detective prize! Thanks for clueing me in to this video, ironically enough I watched most of it a few months ago when Doomkid posted it, but didn't watch till the end haha!
@@JeremyDoyleMusic I love how your old website says "I wrote this song almost 2 years ago, and people are still sending me mail about it."
Now it could say: "I wrote this song almost 25 years ago, and people are still fascinated by it." :)
@@DookNookim Haha! I never could have imagined it would become such a mystery to people 25 years later! I find it very amusing to read all the speculation about it's origins.
Excellent work!
@@DoomKid indeed, great work! I had no idea that my music was in the Dwango wads for all these years.
Damn, the Dwango map 10 one sounds so familiar...
All of these sound so good! Thanks for the nice vid, Doomkid! :D
Well, I'll be damned. DWANGO10.WAD MAP10 is one of mine! A very old Midi I wrote, simply titled "rawk.mid" honestly, one of the very first pieces of midi music I ever put out on the internet, before I became part of the Doom modding community.
Yo Doomkid! Been a while! So glad y'all found out 6:20! Gonna give it a proper upload title now when I record it with my 88
a couple of these were used in the wad for zdaemon called 2dmmaps: the TZ_ THEME, which i also misattributed to gemstorm.
And the very last of the video (map 14), which has been a mystery for me too.
It's nice to see that there are many people who love these old doom midis like i do.
Classic ZDaemon memories helped to instill my love of these midis!
I want to see modern remixes and covers of the unidentified songs
2:32 You need to eat your vegetables. I don't want to!
The Dwangox song sounds like something from a old ZDoom horror Wad, While the Dwango10 one sounds like Blood's SETUP.exe theme.
That midi version of Symphony Of Destruction was hilarious.
I swear I've heard Map 10 before and it's bugging the hell out of me that I can't remember where.
Sound like Metallica - From whom the bell tolls, but only some parts, like, the bassline and some parts match
Could be something from Megadeth first albums too, i must have heard that before too
I never thought you woulda mentioned Gemstorm, a cult classic in my childhood, you magnificent bastard. TAKE THIS LIKE
This is getting watched later, thanks Kid.
TZ_THEME is some fairly well known 90s eurodance song.
I can't help with the mystery, but damn 10 and 14 slap
Dwango10.WAD Map10 uses a similar riff to Eviternity Map 21(Everything Explodes by Jimmy Paddock). Maybe the Eviternity song was inspired by the source.
Dwango10 map 10 sounds eerily familiar, though I'm not sure if that's like a placebo sort of thing, or I'm actually remembering something. Probably some semi-obscure (or I guess really obscure) grunge song, kind of doubt it since most of the bands I listen to are from ~2010. Maybe Filter? Only album that could fit would be Short Bus from 1995, depending on when the pack was made.
Um, Doomkid, do you have the midi files for the two unknown tracks?
I might try to see if something like Shazam can recognize the tracks if I modify the instrument sounds
Here’s the full soundtrack, it’s pretty small since they’re midi files doomshack.org/uploads/dwango_midi.zip
Brown.midi is definitely symphony of destruction
I have never heard of Dwango before.
Holy shit thank you for figuring out map 11, I remember searching for that song for ages a few years back. I found a video of the midi, but I never knew the real song. Thank you.
Edit: I also remember people calling the song “Starfluxx mempheria”
There's a series of MIDI files that are even more obscure & unknown than the MIDI files of the DWANGO DOOM PWADs. Those MIDI files are the MusiClips series released by Voyetra Technologies back in the early 1990s.
Nine Inch Nails and Heretic are the most reoccurring on the Dwango track list, so the original creator of the the midi tracks definitely had a certain taste. Unless they're original stock midi tracks, chances are they could originate from similar music, possibly less well-known independent groups. Another possible clue is that the unknown midi tracks could be based off of songs or soundtracks prior to the 90's altogether. Composers often take inspiration from those who came before them.
ive been through youtube playlists of various 80s and early 90s metal, rock and grunge to try to find something similar but i dont know im finding anything similar to the 2 missing tracks
This is super fascinating, hopefully these unidentified tracks get identified
I didn't read it as the poster claiming the music at 3:11. The poster before them says they like this one song from this pack so I think Sir Fragsalot is saying "Map04's music, D_Between, is mine" as in 'my 1 song I like from the pack'.
Wow, you’re probably right, I didn’t even realise it could also be interpreted that way.. *slaps forehead*
dwango10 is a real banger damn
So now we just need to sequence Ride the/Like the Wind into MIDI, add it to a deathmatch wad, change the creation date to be the late 90s and have the forum users track down the creators.
this is one of the greatest channels I've discovered recently
I'm glad you like it!
I've missed out on a lot of multi player it seems. I was busy dial up p2p with local friends haha.
great vid, I quite enjoy the doom history vids :)
The last one seems to use the tempo, but not the melody, of Secret of Mana's "Oracle" (the song played during the fight with the Dark Lich, or Thanatos), up to the point where I could predict at the end that it would get a "silent" part with stuff happening.
my favorite midi from the dwango series had to be the blackhole sun midi they used in dwango 6
NooNe sounds like a good composer. :D
11:40 sounds like a song you'll hear in a Boss fight
Map10 sounds like 80s metal to me.
Something like Metallica (but I'm sure it's not).
The way the track moves it feels like there's someone singing verses, intreludes, and choruses.
Even after listening to Map 14 at 14:22 last night several times, all I can say is it's bloody familiar to me somehow... I just can't place it -.-
Wow fodders ... that's a nickname I haven't read in forever. Is he still around?
Haven't seen him in over 10 years sadly :(
@@DoomKid Hope he's alright ... on the other hand he's probably something between 75-90 by now
EDIT: Last seen on Doomworld in 2008, last seen on Zdaemon in 2015 :/
now if only doomkid vids had music credits as well ...
wow I'm dumb, thank you for the suggestion - song names have been added in the description!
I'm so such an procrastinator, i literally took 9 months to come and watch the video.
I put it on my "watch later" list when it released.
That second one sounds a *lot* like Trogdor the Burninator, from Strongbad Emails. Pretty sure the Doom Wad came first, though.
I listen to a lot of metal, so at some point I may be able to identify DWANGO10 MAP10, but sadly it just doesn't ring a bell. If anybody else manages to solve it, reply here please. It's so catchy and I'd love to add the original to my Spotify playlist
TZ_THEME sound really close to Cappela's U Got 2 Let The Music
It does... In fact it triggered my memory of that song after listening to it, but I forgot the artist and name till I did some googling
Just gave it a listen, the similarity is really strong. That must have been the original inspiration!
Yeah, but U Got 2 Let The Music samples Alphaville's Sounds like a Melody. You should check that one out.
@@DoomKid Ok yeah it's Cappela's U Got 2 Let the Music, but it's not just the 3 minute one, it's the extended version, check it out: ruclips.net/video/bWVPKCANMwI/видео.html
I just played both tracks back to back and Gemstone clearly stole this theme as did DWad, probably from a dance hall.
The comparison is 1:1.
you know what, it's a good song too. I can see why it was immortalized in two games.