That large train station is a replica of the "Oakland Mole" train station on the SP. the Ferry boats took you the last couple miles to reach San Francisco on the Overland train route. Lovely video as always!
Greetings on this beautiful July Sunday. Dale and Karyn, you've done it again -- a wonderful video on the National Train Show in Salt Lake City. Very nice video work and great editing and sparkling commentary and back and forth discussion which we all love. Thanks for your efforts and "labor of love." Being an N Scale model railroader, I especially appreciated the N-Scale modules and know this is getting bigger every year. Thank you guys and pace yourselves. Dean from Minnesota
Daniel Fassbender oh it’s work all right! That’s what I told my mom. For 50 years. And my boss. Or bosses. And the police. But I digress. Thanks!! We are “working” in Southern California right now. Scouting for the Big Boy trip in a few weeks. And eating. And going through train and toy shops.
This is why I sub! Model railroading but highlighting the actual trains that run on the layouts more over than the layout itself, don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing the details that go about a layout, but I love seeing the nice trains that run across them. Loved this video!
Good to know. I got quite a kick out of seeing one on my favorite locomotives on that huge layout. Hum.. we hav a lot of great locomotives. And a car. Hum...
I can’t wait to keep working on my ho layout. It’s small, but it will turn out good, and it was my grandpas dream to have a small ho layout, but he never got to because he now lives in a apartment, and has, very realistic dioramas, and next to them he has old equipment from 1920’s - 30’s railroads. One of his favorites is the marker lights of an Ontario and Western Pusher engine. Great video and I’ll talk to you later!
Small railroads rock. While everyone dreams of the huge monster with a mile of track in the real world few will ever have that. But everyone can have a small shelf layout
Yes! I agree, because sometimes people don’t understand how much work a small layout is, and they build a gigantic one. But everyone can pull it off, it’s just about patience and how much room you actually have. Thanks for the reply!
Hey guys, let's see mo of "free-mo"! I really like the concept and your coverage is so interesting. Thanks for taking all of us along with you to the train show. I know, it's a hard, dirty job, but somebody has to do it, don't they? Seriously, screwing around is serious business!
A romping good time to watch. If it wasn't for your excellent video quality we would never see all them luscious details. Thank you for your great work. Greg and Jeanne.
Thanks again. I missed the 8000 sq ft n scale as the hip was just not going to work so Karyn shot it. She shot most of this show cause of the dang hip. So I too only saw it from the show. (Sigh) but what great models
I love the photography and your narration makes me feel like you were talking to me. I wish you two had been the presenters on Tracks Ahead. I have so much fun watching you share your fun hobbies. Bravo
I used to live in the US, but now live in Portugal. I went to a model train show near my home recently and saw a Free Mo setup. All kinds of different scenery because their were so many participants. The entire setup ran around all 4 walls of a gymnasium. Only break in the line was where the main door to the room was. It was fantastic. Many trains made by a German company. Don't remember the name, but they were pretty big in the business as they had many catalogs at the event. Also, it was nice to see that Great Northern box car on the freight train in this video. GN was absorbed by Burlington Northern long before BNSF came to be. I would see a GN box car occasionally in the Missoula, MT BN yard in the 80's. My father used to ice GN reefer cars in the 1940's, in the same town, when he was in high school.
I hated to see all the railroads get absorbed into like 4 huge systems. Mostly miss the paint. It was great to see D and RGW, WP, GN. Even the huge railroads often changed as they grew. The AT and SF. Only the UP looks the same.
I think what you saw was Fremo, not Free-mo. We are doing the same basic idea, Fremo is the European standard and came first, it is what the US Free-mo standard was based on.
Love Chile. We sent a group of students there to make a documentary as part of their schooling. They were free to find and film anything. What they found and filmed was extraordinary. Then the earthquake happened. By then they were home but we followed up with the people they met. Unbelievable. Amazing. You live in a wonderful place with wonderful people.
10:08 Wow!!! an Amtrak train actually running! Was it on time? Hats off to the military train I was in the Army in Europe where we had to load our own railcars complete with chock blocks, turn buckles, stowing all the gear inside lockdown including the gun tubes. You always made sure you didn't stand up in the freight yard getting on or off the railcar because many of Europe's freight yards are electrified so you didn't stand up completely or install radio antenna. You know every year they would tell us to use caution in this aera and every year someone would always go home early and not in a good way. High voltage is really hard on the human body and isn't real forgiving. So yeah seeing a train like that always brings back a lot of memories.
Ha! We were riding Amtrak yesterday on the Southern California coast and a 6000 foot UP freight derailed and they canceled 2 surf liners and delayed two more. We arrived Santa Barbara 3 hours late. Not bad for a 45 minute trip.
@@ToyManTelevision I don't mean to dog Amtrak I am a little peeved that they cancelled the Floridian and made the closest Amtrak terminal to us is Memphis. I had a guy a couple of weeks back tell me in a condecending manner as to how he thought Memphis ought to be part of Mississippi. He looked stymied when I told him sounds good to me what with all the poor stats that bring Tennessee down. He looked like I kicked his dog,he didn't know whether to cry or curse me out. I took that as the right moment to walk away briskly.
Some details regarding the SP depot that you had questions over. As mentioned below, and as you suspected, that is modeled on a real location. The Oakland Mole was THE passenger station in Oakland. At one point, it served trains from the SP, WP, and the ATSF, though the latter eventually pulled their operations back to Richmond. In addition to the mainline passenger operations, it also served the SP Red Trains that were one of the interurban operations in the Bay Area. Passengers would go from the trains to the ferry's to get to SF, or vice versa to get to Oakland. The connection was the ferry building in SF. In addition to passengers, it also handled mail service, and even after passenger operations were cut back to the 16th St station in Oakland, mail trains continued for a little while after. The building was torn down around 1960. What was also out there, but no included on that model, was the Albers Grain Mill. If you were on an incoming ferry, it would have been on the left side of the pier and set back. There were also slips for freight ships. I'm part of a Free-Mo group in Nebraska, where I live now, but had considered doing the Mole as a module set. Its good to see that someone has done it, and it seems, has done it very well. Love the videos, especially the trains. Keep them coming. BTW, do you ever come, or have any interest in coming to the Omaha area?
Definitely Omaha at some point. Right now I need a new hip and Karyn a new knee. Getten old sucks. Anyway that’s one cool model!!! As a passenger train lover just seeing those trains tied up at that huge station was worth the whole show! Then they fire up a turbine. While we don’t have the time to build and operate modules we sure can enjoy them.
I first found the channel about 2 years ago. My stepdaughter Chloe (9 years old) has also subscribed to the channel as we both have a love of trains. She goes with me to the Free-mo setups. Considering this is the high art of screwing around, we have been involved with setups at the Durham Museum here in Omaha as part of Railroad Days, as well as a setup out in Deshler that was sponsored by Spring Creek. She insisted that we go there for the show, even though she hadn't be exposed yet to Free-Mo and it was in conflict with her original birthday party date. Deshler is about 3 hours from Omaha. Also, among other things that may interest you once you and Karyn are in position to come this way is a G scale layout in Lauritzen Gardens where the bridges are literally made of sticks and twigs. Also, the zoo here in Omaha has 2 steam locomotives, one of which is about 110 years old from Austria that pulls the trains in the summertime. I am one of the engineers that operates that railroad. If you ever come out this way, we'd love to show you around.
Always glad to see your videos. The model trains are so real to life. Great detail and all of that. Looks like the train hobby is still going strong from what you bring to us. Although, a model train store is closing in my area after 25 years. Interest has declined in recent years according to the news story. Anyway it's good to see the interest is still strong in other areas of the country. You always bring us great stuff, keep it up. Many thanks!
Hobby is declining here in the US. For some reason. It was hurt by the recession in 2008. And just never came back well. But in Europe it’s doing well. And Australia. And China. China? And in China they model US trains! Why? Well they have been building them for decades and they have fallen in love with the models they have been making. NMRA has looked into a Chinese “division”. As there are now 20 million modelers there. But given the government forget it. Here in the US we see a new version of the hobby emerging. The new kids playing with the models are mostly girls. And their favorite aspect is operating. Go figure.
I’m obsessed with operations but living in austin the closest club I know of is in San Antonio and I went to an ops session and I hated how it was all about getting done as quick as possible. Trains were one after the other, it was like nobody really wanted to run trains they just wanted them as quickly ran through the beautiful layout as possible. Hopefully when my layout is more completed and the track work and new system comes in wifi controlled I’ll be working on my own ops session
Not an ops person. But love to watch. Don’t like the hurry up stuff or the invite people and then just switch for two hours. Get out on the main! But I’m a builder. That’s my passion
Great seeing you again this year! Small correction: The N SCALE Free-mo layout was 8000 square feet. The HO scale was less than 1/3rd that size. More stats for the Free-moN layout: Over 200 individual module sections. 50 builders and operators 20 scale miles of mainline track. 10 individual groups made the journey from 8 states, all the way from Delaware, Oregon, California, and many in between. A 'full circuit' took on average 2 hours. Eric Spencer from Delaware put together this awesome highlight video: ruclips.net/video/siNSeB7NtS0/видео.html If you liked the HO Free-mo layout, you'll LOVE the Free-moN layout!
Hi!!!! I missed most of it as my damn hip-leg was just done. Karyn shot most of what you see in the show. And her knee is as bad as my dang hip. I’m checking with the Bachmann parts department but nothing. No hips no knees. Same with Ford and GM. But I hear someone does have these parts. Checking Walthers. They have everything
Their where two HO freemo set ups during the NTS. 3600 sq. ft at the show and another 4000 sq. ft. set up at the Evanston, WY Roundhouse complex as a tour site display.
I believe that the actual prototype for the circular warehouse was in New York and part of the New Jersey Central Railroad. I'm not real sure that it was that rail road, but the ware house operated well into the 1960's.There is a series of You Tube videos of how it was built. REALLY COOL screwing around. ;-)
The man who built the original model apparently had to hand build all of the track including a custom (removable) crossover. It works very well too. I think he is the guy that makes those expensive track assembly jigs that use solder on ties. The model at the train show is a good replica, minus the car ferry and approach.@@ToyManTelevision
@@robertweldon7909 The car ferry approach is on the other side, just not in this video. Here are a couple of close up images of the water side of the module. photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNCs68WftC_wYQwu2F7St4HDSWj8wTNxSi4KFt1_ExvS5eXOwu0I4yrPvbC__6KKg/photo/AF1QipON9b02L-tgAThfL8aAvW9iOI9o0kpMUvGgOEGT?key=YlRaT2I0THVQd1NNaFIyakxsMWxaVm8yX0oza0ln photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNCs68WftC_wYQwu2F7St4HDSWj8wTNxSi4KFt1_ExvS5eXOwu0I4yrPvbC__6KKg/photo/AF1QipP8NI69wq4c7M7cTRfG5WFondbhRhW2qi5irhpB?key=YlRaT2I0THVQd1NNaFIyakxsMWxaVm8yX0oza0ln
In many of the groups I'm a member of I've often said someone needs to open a blood bank next to train stores to sell their plasma, so there's your million dollar idea Dale, you and Karyn can get that new turbine after all! Your Welcome.
I like your videos, I can't go to many shows and you let me see the shows. Thank you. I also like passenger trains. I model in HO scale and I can model almost an C&O passenger train.
Love to. Probably not as the Big Boy should be on the move then. Possibly in California. Or Utah. Or may be back in Cheyenne and we can make that show! Or next year. One way or the other some massive screwing around will take place!
Nicely done. And, thank you for the show's coverage. Although informative, the MR Magazine/MRVP coverage was a bit dry and "product promotional". They didn't cover the layouts, which is what I'm more interested. But, of course, y'all knew that! So, thank you. Neat stuff. And as Ray Schneringer says below, yes the opening question about the large passenger and sea going exchange complex was the Oakland, CA "Mole". It preceded the San Francisco Oakland Bay Bridge to ferry passenger trains over to SF before and after the bridge was built. Freight traveled by way of the lower deck of the bridge. Dad was stationed at Treasure Island with the Navy and we lived in quarters on Yerba Bueno Is in the middle of the Bay, where the SF/O Bay Bridge bored through a tunnel under us. It was a cool operation to watch as a little kid.
Wow! What a place to live-grow up! Bit damp at times. Right now we are eating fish in a fog bank on the Ventura Pier. So we get it. Damp and cold but still amazing
@@ToyManTelevision True. Mom and I were very susceptible to the eucalyptus trees on the island and the fumes coming up from the tunnel; so, the Navy moved us off it and over to Lafayette in Contra Costa County in the east bay. Five years later, we would be back to the area (Walnut Creek) to live the last few years of the Sacramento Northern coming through that town. And now our oldest children live there!
I think you were trying to describe the SP's Oakland Mole where passengers transferred from trains to ferryboats to cross San Francisco Bay into the city.
The Southern Pacific station pictured in this video, was known as the Oakland Mole. There Southern Pacific would back in trains headed for Sacramento, San Joaquin Valley, The Shasta Route and over Donner Pass. The S.P. Ferries from San Francisco would carry passengers only to board those trains. The same was true in reverse you had to take the Ferry from Oakland to board the trains departing for the Coast Route destination Los Angeles or L.A.U.P.T. At the S.P. Ferry Dock you could see name trains such as the City of San Francisco a train shared by Union Pacific and Southern Pacific. Appreciated this video and all the other's. BarstowRick signing off.
So great! Wishing my brother and I kept up the hobby; he had HO and I had N scale, but mine went somewhere and I think maybe my brother still has his...hmm.
I believe the freight house in NYC was due to limited space. At one time, it was switched by a box-cab diesel and then by a center-cab (i.e. GE 44 ton).
The HUGE Station the HO Free-mo guys modeled is modeled after the Oakland Mole. So named as it appeared that the trains were disappearing into a HUMONGOUS Mole hole. The Oakland Mole was a train to SP Ferry terminal whose other end was in San Fransisco IIRC.
Cool! I assumed it was a real structure as only a real facility would be that outrageous! And Oakland of course. To say that figures is the understatement of true understatements. Wonderful! Wish I had seen it.
Interesting concept. Must not be super dupper good as few were built. Thanks! Fun train show. We are off right now scouting Big Boy locations in Southern California
@@ToyManTelevision The referenced terminal would have been the Central RR of New Jersey Bronx Terminal, described here: members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/crrnjbxt.html
The round terminal on the Free-mo layout is a freelance imaginary location, based on the Bronx terminal. The original Bronx terminal was isolated, in that the only way train cars got to the terminal was on a barge. The card came in, were switched by the local engine to the terminal. They were loaded or unloaded. Then put back on a barge to leave. In the Free-mo module, the owner added a connection to the railroad. It is an imaginary location.
The big SP passenger terminal was the Oakland Mole. The trains ran to the Oakland Mole and then you transferred to a ferry boat to the San Francisco Ferry Building. As far as I know there was not a transfer of rail cars only people. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Long_Wharf The round freighthouse is a model of the Lackawanna Bronx terminal in can Bronx, New York City. It was a unique operation. Amongst other things it was one of the first uses of a diesel electric locomotive. members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht.html
Cool links!!!!! Thanks. Didn’t know either. Had heard of the Mole but was not sure what it looked like. May have seen it as a kid. But the Bay in the 50’s is all a jumble in my mind. Which is not really a bad thing.
Why r all the train shows in Utah? I’m unable to make that trip due to my health, but why not multiple NMRA shows n all cities, especially Sacramento CA? That one I could make it to.
The NMRA National Convention and National Train Show (NTS) is in a different city every year. It moves across parts of the county too. The list of where it will be in the coming years is listed on the NMRA Web site. nmra.org/conventions 2020 St. Louis 2021 Santa Clara 2022 Birmingham UK (this is the first time I know if it has been out side the US). I heard a rumor there would be a second NTS (not convention) someplace in the US. If I remember correctly in 2011 it was in Sacramento.
You two are AWESOME. My sons and I have been binge watching today and love the new video. I do have a question,, what is the name of the vidio where you talk about all the different scales and gauges? I'd like to watch that with my boys but I haven't been able to find it. Thank you both again.
Hi! Planning to redo with better sound ( plug in the mic) (oops). And much new information on how 4 foot 8.5 inches happened in the first place! Anyway ruclips.net/video/IG_iRsZNgxA/видео.html
@ 5:02 that is where the ferrys came ( past tense _) from san franssico to dock in oakland ca. i belive the locals called it the "mole". that structure is no longer there , bart, a heavy rapid transit system uses that location to go under sf bay into sf now . www.cruiselinehistory.com/southern-pacifics-oakland-mole-was-the-gateway-to-san-francisco/
Daniel, the window beside Dale shows a direct view out of the window, since it’s so much brighter outside the car; the windows behind Karen are internal windows (from compartment to compartment or car to car), making the view through them darker. So we don’t see through them, but instead just a reflection off them of both the ceiling light and the view out the opposite side window. Being a reflection, it’s view and all action in it are reversed.
I love my Scale Trains Ho SD40-2. Most realistic model I own! Those guys rock so do the rest of the vendors there.
Love love LOVE their work
Amazing video great coverage
Thanks!! This was a great train show
I have my model railroad as a freight hauler and a tourist railroad, tourist railroads are one of my favorite kinds of railroads
And especially since I like classic trains, especially steam locomotives
My problem is I like it all
The models are beautiful. It is impressive to see what people are doing with scenery these days. It is so realistic.
Love the SP terminal and UP Turbine. WOW
Yet Another great video. Hope the joints are not feeling to bad. Your videos are a high light of my Sunday morning.
Ouch. But better. Sort of. I think I just need a new one.
That large train station is a replica of the "Oakland Mole" train station on the SP. the Ferry boats took you the last couple miles to reach San Francisco on the Overland train route. Lovely video as always!
Greetings on this beautiful July Sunday. Dale and Karyn, you've done it again -- a wonderful video on the National Train Show in Salt Lake City. Very nice video work and great editing and sparkling commentary and back and forth discussion which we all love. Thanks for your efforts and "labor of love." Being an N Scale model railroader, I especially appreciated the N-Scale modules and know this is getting bigger every year. Thank you guys and pace yourselves. Dean from Minnesota
Absolutely Love you Two. Keep up the Great (work?) Hobby.
Daniel Fassbender oh it’s work all right! That’s what I told my mom. For 50 years. And my boss. Or bosses. And the police. But I digress. Thanks!! We are “working” in Southern California right now. Scouting for the Big Boy trip in a few weeks. And eating. And going through train and toy shops.
Toy Man Television I’m sure it is work but it’s gotta be some fun work
Wow! Super great imaginative layout! I love, love , LOVE it!!
This is why I sub! Model railroading but highlighting the actual trains that run on the layouts more over than the layout itself, don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing the details that go about a layout, but I love seeing the nice trains that run across them. Loved this video!
Good to know. I got quite a kick out of seeing one on my favorite locomotives on that huge layout. Hum.. we hav a lot of great locomotives. And a car. Hum...
Another great video! Thanks so much!
Thanks for watching. A grand train show. More coming
Good afternoon toyman!!!!
I can’t wait to keep working on my ho layout. It’s small, but it will turn out good, and it was my grandpas dream to have a small ho layout, but he never got to because he now lives in a apartment, and has, very realistic dioramas, and next to them he has old equipment from 1920’s - 30’s railroads. One of his favorites is the marker lights of an Ontario and Western Pusher engine.
Great video and I’ll talk to you later!
Small railroads rock. While everyone dreams of the huge monster with a mile of track in the real world few will ever have that. But everyone can have a small shelf layout
Yes! I agree, because sometimes people don’t understand how much work a small layout is, and they build a gigantic one. But everyone can pull it off, it’s just about patience and how much room you actually have. Thanks for the reply!
I love freight trains too. The ones that are my absolute favorites are the from the 1940's and 50's.
Hey guys, let's see mo of "free-mo"! I really like the concept and your coverage is so interesting. Thanks for taking all of us along with you to the train show. I know, it's a hard, dirty job, but somebody has to do it, don't they? Seriously, screwing around is serious business!
Not sure if there is a local free-mo group. Should be
I myself love passenger trains and I love riding them too. It's a wonderful thing!
A romping good time to watch. If it wasn't for your excellent video quality we would never see all them luscious details. Thank you for your great work. Greg and Jeanne.
Thanks again. I missed the 8000 sq ft n scale as the hip was just not going to work so Karyn shot it. She shot most of this show cause of the dang hip. So I too only saw it from the show. (Sigh) but what great models
I love the photography and your narration makes me feel like you were talking to me. I wish you two had been the presenters on Tracks Ahead. I have so much fun watching you share your fun hobbies. Bravo
I used to live in the US, but now live in Portugal. I went to a model train show near my home recently and saw a Free Mo setup. All kinds of different scenery because their were so many participants. The entire setup ran around all 4 walls of a gymnasium. Only break in the line was where the main door to the room was. It was fantastic. Many trains made by a German company. Don't remember the name, but they were pretty big in the business as they had many catalogs at the event. Also, it was nice to see that Great Northern box car on the freight train in this video. GN was absorbed by Burlington Northern long before BNSF came to be. I would see a GN box car occasionally in the Missoula, MT BN yard in the 80's. My father used to ice GN reefer cars in the 1940's, in the same town, when he was in high school.
I hated to see all the railroads get absorbed into like 4 huge systems. Mostly miss the paint. It was great to see D and RGW, WP, GN. Even the huge railroads often changed as they grew. The AT and SF. Only the UP looks the same.
I think what you saw was Fremo, not Free-mo. We are doing the same basic idea, Fremo is the European standard and came first, it is what the US Free-mo standard was based on.
Once again you two have a great video! I seem to keep missing these train shows. Maybe next year, if I keep my ears open.
Extraordinario...Congratulations from Chile..
Love Chile. We sent a group of students there to make a documentary as part of their schooling. They were free to find and film anything. What they found and filmed was extraordinary. Then the earthquake happened. By then they were home but we followed up with the people they met. Unbelievable. Amazing. You live in a wonderful place with wonderful people.
10:08 Wow!!! an Amtrak train actually running! Was it on time? Hats off to the military train I was in the Army in Europe where we had to load our own railcars complete with chock blocks, turn buckles, stowing all the gear inside lockdown including the gun tubes. You always made sure you didn't stand up in the freight yard getting on or off the railcar because many of Europe's freight yards are electrified so you didn't stand up completely or install radio antenna. You know every year they would tell us to use caution in this aera and every year someone would always go home early and not in a good way. High voltage is really hard on the human body and isn't real forgiving. So yeah seeing a train like that always brings back a lot of memories.
Ha! We were riding Amtrak yesterday on the Southern California coast and a 6000 foot UP freight derailed and they canceled 2 surf liners and delayed two more. We arrived Santa Barbara 3 hours late. Not bad for a 45 minute trip.
@@ToyManTelevision I don't mean to dog Amtrak I am a little peeved that they cancelled the Floridian and made the closest Amtrak terminal to us is Memphis. I had a guy a couple of weeks back tell me in a condecending manner as to how he thought Memphis ought to be part of Mississippi. He looked stymied when I told him sounds good to me what with all the poor stats that bring Tennessee down. He looked like I kicked his dog,he didn't know whether to cry or curse me out. I took that as the right moment to walk away briskly.
Some details regarding the SP depot that you had questions over. As mentioned below, and as you suspected, that is modeled on a real location. The Oakland Mole was THE passenger station in Oakland. At one point, it served trains from the SP, WP, and the ATSF, though the latter eventually pulled their operations back to Richmond. In addition to the mainline passenger operations, it also served the SP Red Trains that were one of the interurban operations in the Bay Area. Passengers would go from the trains to the ferry's to get to SF, or vice versa to get to Oakland. The connection was the ferry building in SF. In addition to passengers, it also handled mail service, and even after passenger operations were cut back to the 16th St station in Oakland, mail trains continued for a little while after. The building was torn down around 1960. What was also out there, but no included on that model, was the Albers Grain Mill. If you were on an incoming ferry, it would have been on the left side of the pier and set back. There were also slips for freight ships.
I'm part of a Free-Mo group in Nebraska, where I live now, but had considered doing the Mole as a module set. Its good to see that someone has done it, and it seems, has done it very well.
Love the videos, especially the trains. Keep them coming. BTW, do you ever come, or have any interest in coming to the Omaha area?
Definitely Omaha at some point. Right now I need a new hip and Karyn a new knee. Getten old sucks. Anyway that’s one cool model!!! As a passenger train lover just seeing those trains tied up at that huge station was worth the whole show! Then they fire up a turbine. While we don’t have the time to build and operate modules we sure can enjoy them.
I first found the channel about 2 years ago. My stepdaughter Chloe (9 years old) has also subscribed to the channel as we both have a love of trains. She goes with me to the Free-mo setups. Considering this is the high art of screwing around, we have been involved with setups at the Durham Museum here in Omaha as part of Railroad Days, as well as a setup out in Deshler that was sponsored by Spring Creek. She insisted that we go there for the show, even though she hadn't be exposed yet to Free-Mo and it was in conflict with her original birthday party date. Deshler is about 3 hours from Omaha. Also, among other things that may interest you once you and Karyn are in position to come this way is a G scale layout in Lauritzen Gardens where the bridges are literally made of sticks and twigs. Also, the zoo here in Omaha has 2 steam locomotives, one of which is about 110 years old from Austria that pulls the trains in the summertime. I am one of the engineers that operates that railroad. If you ever come out this way, we'd love to show you around.
Cool train show • Cheers from The Detroit & Mackinac Railway 🚂
Coolest!
Another triumph under your belt interesting as to what is available 😎
Love it, thank you for your hard work. You both make the hobby great.
Thanks again for watching. It’s a great hobby. We just hang out in (hopefully) the right places.
very nice, you two always have interesting videos. Scale trains has really nice trains.
Their turbines “blow” my mind!
I'm in love with your videos
Thanks!!! Tell everyone! Love to share.
I especially LOVE the huge depot!
Right? We have been told it’s called “the mole”. Great name!!
Always glad to see your videos. The model trains are so real to life. Great detail and all of that. Looks like the train hobby is still going strong from what you bring to us. Although, a model train store is closing in my area after 25 years. Interest has declined in recent years according to the news story. Anyway it's good to see the interest is still strong in other areas of the country. You always bring us great stuff, keep it up. Many thanks!
Hobby is declining here in the US. For some reason. It was hurt by the recession in 2008. And just never came back well. But in Europe it’s doing well. And Australia. And China. China? And in China they model US trains! Why? Well they have been building them for decades and they have fallen in love with the models they have been making. NMRA has looked into a Chinese “division”. As there are now 20 million modelers there. But given the government forget it. Here in the US we see a new version of the hobby emerging. The new kids playing with the models are mostly girls. And their favorite aspect is operating. Go figure.
An Excellent Video. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway. ♡ T.E.N.
Great video. Lord willing we plan on attending next year. Thank you so much for the videos.
I really need to get to one of the large US national train shows. Thanks for the video and Happy Modelling! Hans ...
I’m obsessed with operations but living in austin the closest club I know of is in San Antonio and I went to an ops session and I hated how it was all about getting done as quick as possible. Trains were one after the other, it was like nobody really wanted to run trains they just wanted them as quickly ran through the beautiful layout as possible. Hopefully when my layout is more completed and the track work and new system comes in wifi controlled I’ll be working on my own ops session
Not an ops person. But love to watch. Don’t like the hurry up stuff or the invite people and then just switch for two hours. Get out on the main! But I’m a builder. That’s my passion
I have 2 of the Scale trains Turbines in rivet counter, and they ARE beautiful!
Great seeing you again this year!
Small correction: The N SCALE Free-mo layout was 8000 square feet. The HO scale was less than 1/3rd that size.
More stats for the Free-moN layout:
Over 200 individual module sections.
50 builders and operators
20 scale miles of mainline track.
10 individual groups made the journey from
8 states, all the way from Delaware, Oregon, California, and many in between.
A 'full circuit' took on average 2 hours.
Eric Spencer from Delaware put together this awesome highlight video: ruclips.net/video/siNSeB7NtS0/видео.html
If you liked the HO Free-mo layout, you'll LOVE the Free-moN layout!
Hi!!!! I missed most of it as my damn hip-leg was just done. Karyn shot most of what you see in the show. And her knee is as bad as my dang hip. I’m checking with the Bachmann parts department but nothing. No hips no knees. Same with Ford and GM. But I hear someone does have these parts. Checking Walthers. They have everything
I posted a reply and now it’s gone. I hope it comes back
Their where two HO freemo set ups during the NTS. 3600 sq. ft at the show and another 4000 sq. ft. set up at the Evanston, WY Roundhouse complex as a tour site display.
I believe that the actual prototype for the circular warehouse was in New York and part of the New Jersey Central Railroad. I'm not real sure that it was that rail road, but the ware house operated well into the 1960's.There is a series of You Tube videos of how it was built. REALLY COOL screwing around. ;-)
It’s an interesting idea. And makes a cool model. Did it work well? Don’t know but it makes a cool model
The man who built the original model apparently had to hand build all of the track including a custom (removable) crossover. It works very well too. I think he is the guy that makes those expensive track assembly jigs that use solder on ties. The model at the train show is a good replica, minus the car ferry and approach.@@ToyManTelevision
@@robertweldon7909 The car ferry approach is on the other side, just not in this video. Here are a couple of close up images of the water side of the module.
photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNCs68WftC_wYQwu2F7St4HDSWj8wTNxSi4KFt1_ExvS5eXOwu0I4yrPvbC__6KKg/photo/AF1QipON9b02L-tgAThfL8aAvW9iOI9o0kpMUvGgOEGT?key=YlRaT2I0THVQd1NNaFIyakxsMWxaVm8yX0oza0ln
photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNCs68WftC_wYQwu2F7St4HDSWj8wTNxSi4KFt1_ExvS5eXOwu0I4yrPvbC__6KKg/photo/AF1QipP8NI69wq4c7M7cTRfG5WFondbhRhW2qi5irhpB?key=YlRaT2I0THVQd1NNaFIyakxsMWxaVm8yX0oza0ln
In many of the groups I'm a member of I've often said someone needs to open a blood bank next to train stores to sell their plasma, so there's your million dollar idea Dale, you and Karyn can get that new turbine after all! Your Welcome.
I like your videos, I can't go to many shows and you let me see the shows. Thank you. I also like passenger trains. I model in HO scale and I can model almost an C&O passenger train.
We love passenger trains. Love the look and love riding them.
great video toy man :)
Thanks! What a fun train show. Free- mo!
Freemo is definitely a way to go if not space for a layout and a freemo club close to home.
Great way to do modules. Better. The key is point to point running. Been thinking about layout design. Point to point makes it easy.
Make sure you hit up Trainfest in November, its another supermassive train show.
Love to. Probably not as the Big Boy should be on the move then. Possibly in California. Or Utah. Or may be back in Cheyenne and we can make that show! Or next year. One way or the other some massive screwing around will take place!
Nicely done. And, thank you for the show's coverage. Although informative, the MR Magazine/MRVP coverage was a bit dry and "product promotional". They didn't cover the layouts, which is what I'm more interested. But, of course, y'all knew that! So, thank you. Neat stuff. And as Ray Schneringer says below, yes the opening question about the large passenger and sea going exchange complex was the Oakland, CA "Mole". It preceded the San Francisco Oakland Bay Bridge to ferry passenger trains over to SF before and after the bridge was built. Freight traveled by way of the lower deck of the bridge. Dad was stationed at Treasure Island with the Navy and we lived in quarters on Yerba Bueno Is in the middle of the Bay, where the SF/O Bay Bridge bored through a tunnel under us. It was a cool operation to watch as a little kid.
Wow! What a place to live-grow up! Bit damp at times. Right now we are eating fish in a fog bank on the Ventura Pier. So we get it. Damp and cold but still amazing
@@ToyManTelevision True. Mom and I were very susceptible to the eucalyptus trees on the island and the fumes coming up from the tunnel; so, the Navy moved us off it and over to Lafayette in Contra Costa County in the east bay. Five years later, we would be back to the area (Walnut Creek) to live the last few years of the Sacramento Northern coming through that town. And now our oldest children live there!
Randall Hawkinson I had family in San Leandro Village. Loved visiting in the 50s and 69s
60s
I think you were trying to describe the SP's Oakland Mole where passengers transferred from trains to ferryboats to cross San Francisco Bay into the city.
Yup. Had heard of it but no idea what it looked like until now. Wow!!
The Southern Pacific Mole in Oakland was the terminus of the California Zephyr and the City of San Francisco trains among others.
The Southern Pacific station pictured in this video, was known as the Oakland Mole. There Southern Pacific would back in trains headed for Sacramento, San Joaquin Valley, The Shasta Route and over Donner Pass. The S.P. Ferries from San Francisco would carry passengers only to board those trains. The same was true in reverse you had to take the Ferry from Oakland to board the trains departing for the Coast Route destination Los Angeles or L.A.U.P.T.
At the S.P. Ferry Dock you could see name trains such as the City of San Francisco a train shared by Union Pacific and Southern Pacific.
Appreciated this video and all the other's. BarstowRick signing off.
Hi. Yup. The Mole. Didn’t know before but had heard of it. What a cool huge station!!!! Great trains too
The sound systems do nothing for me. They are toys, I like the natural sound they make. At 70 years of age, I won't change.
To each their own. I like screwing around with the controls. Turning on lights, blowing the whistle or rigging the bell.
There is a Southern Pacific train song. It's Southern Pacific roll on. That song is the Ballad of the Southern Pacific.
Need to find that. There’s the Union Pacific song. Pure kitch. But fun. And reminds me of the old UP.
Yep. It's called Union Pacific Great Big Rollin Railroad song.
The Union Pacific Turbine is a beauty.
So great! Wishing my brother and I kept up the hobby; he had HO and I had N scale, but mine went somewhere and I think maybe my brother still has his...hmm.
Tremendous 🌴
I believe the freight house in NYC was due to limited space. At one time, it was switched by a box-cab diesel and then by a center-cab (i.e. GE 44 ton).
Weird and cool!
The round warehouse was in New Jersey and I think it was in Trenton
The HUGE Station the HO Free-mo guys modeled is modeled after the Oakland Mole. So named as it appeared that the trains were disappearing into a HUMONGOUS Mole hole. The Oakland Mole was a train to SP Ferry terminal whose other end was in San Fransisco IIRC.
Cool! I assumed it was a real structure as only a real facility would be that outrageous! And Oakland of course. To say that figures is the understatement of true understatements. Wonderful! Wish I had seen it.
Wish I could've been there, but family in Seattle was definitely more worth it
Not sure if anyone rang in, but I think you're referring to the Oakland "Mole", where trains met the ferry to go across to San Francisco.
Yup. Didn’t know it but what an amazing place.
Dale, around the 4:00 mark, that is a model of SP's Oakland Mole.
Yup! Didn’t know but had heard of it. Now I can even spell it. What an amazing structure
at 9:39 is that draton blackgrove or aka delay in block productions of Michigan
Several video people filming the turbine!
The UP turbine ran on two different days and is owned by a SoCal Freemo member.
Dale, I believe there was also a circular freight house in New York City accessed by car ferry only. Anyway, I loved the video.
Interesting concept. Must not be super dupper good as few were built. Thanks! Fun train show. We are off right now scouting Big Boy locations in Southern California
@@ToyManTelevision The referenced terminal would have been the Central RR of New Jersey Bronx Terminal, described here: members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/crrnjbxt.html
The round terminal on the Free-mo layout is a freelance imaginary location, based on the Bronx terminal. The original Bronx terminal was isolated, in that the only way train cars got to the terminal was on a barge. The card came in, were switched by the local engine to the terminal. They were loaded or unloaded. Then put back on a barge to leave. In the Free-mo module, the owner added a connection to the railroad. It is an imaginary location.
Fantastic FreeMo video! I'm excited about the turbine's re-release. Is there any HOn3 Free Mo layouts? Never seen one.
Start one! As the free-mo concept allows for it if someone hasn’t they soon will. So be that person
There is talk about adding a variation to the Free-mo standards for HOn3. Contact me via the Free-mo Web Site contact link.
The big SP passenger terminal was the Oakland Mole. The trains ran to the Oakland Mole and then you transferred to a ferry boat to the San Francisco Ferry Building. As far as I know there was not a transfer of rail cars only people.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Long_Wharf
The round freighthouse is a model of the Lackawanna Bronx terminal in can Bronx, New York City. It was a unique operation. Amongst other things it was one of the first uses of a diesel electric locomotive.
members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht.html
Cool links!!!!! Thanks. Didn’t know either. Had heard of the Mole but was not sure what it looked like. May have seen it as a kid. But the Bay in the 50’s is all a jumble in my mind. Which is not really a bad thing.
Why r all the train shows in Utah? I’m unable to make that trip due to my health, but why not multiple NMRA shows n all cities, especially Sacramento CA? That one I could make it to.
Daniel Lilly agreed! Why? Curious minds want to know.
We try to get around. Just gets difficult and expensive but love to spend more time in the east. And south. And midwest. And so on.
Right?? Wow!!!
The NMRA National Convention and National Train Show (NTS) is in a different city every year. It moves across parts of the county too. The list of where it will be in the coming years is listed on the NMRA Web site. nmra.org/conventions
2020 St. Louis
2021 Santa Clara
2022 Birmingham UK (this is the first time I know if it has been out side the US). I heard a rumor there would be a second NTS (not convention) someplace in the US.
If I remember correctly in 2011 it was in Sacramento.
You two are AWESOME. My sons and I have been binge watching today and love the new video. I do have a question,, what is the name of the vidio where you talk about all the different scales and gauges? I'd like to watch that with my boys but I haven't been able to find it. Thank you both again.
Hi! Planning to redo with better sound ( plug in the mic) (oops). And much new information on how 4 foot 8.5 inches happened in the first place! Anyway ruclips.net/video/IG_iRsZNgxA/видео.html
The SP depot looks like Oakland Mole.
I took the photo on that sign of 4449 beside BNSF at 2:57 years ago! www.flickr.com/photos/33031095@N03/4591037078/
Great photo!!!!! Cool!!!
@ 5:02 that is where the ferrys came ( past tense _) from san franssico to dock in oakland ca. i belive the locals called it the "mole". that structure is no longer there , bart, a heavy rapid transit system uses that location to go under sf bay into sf now .
www.cruiselinehistory.com/southern-pacifics-oakland-mole-was-the-gateway-to-san-francisco/
I'll take turban #26 please
Darrel Carson me too. That’s the one I got to climb inside before it was made part of the Ogden depot
Three turbines in all. 26 survives.
the blond haied guy in the scale trains shirt is dealy in bock productions
Yup!! They were testing a new train.
Dale, why is the window over your right shoulder showing u going backwards, while over Karen’s left shoulder it shows u going forward?
Daniel, the window beside Dale shows a direct view out of the window, since it’s so much brighter outside the car; the windows behind Karen are internal windows (from compartment to compartment or car to car), making the view through them darker. So we don’t see through them, but instead just a reflection off them of both the ceiling light and the view out the opposite side window. Being a reflection, it’s view and all action in it are reversed.
Gee I thought I was stoned. Yup reflecting outside
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