There is no "climate crisis", you load swallower!!! Did you know the Great Barrington Reef has been growing back for almost a decade and is nearing to surpass it's record recorded size. Your either a propaganda pusher or you have 🤏 common sense and even less critical thinking on board to see the truth
Have you ever heard of at least a handful of climate scientists whistleblowing on the idea of climate change as a whole? No. If it really were fake, there would be plenty. such a large worldwide field of science there would always be slip ups if it were fake regardless. All ive heard was regular people who havent even been involved themselves having their own close minded assumptions. That also means general well known statements about it can also not be "fake" for the same reason. Such as yes we are the cause, yes we can do something about it. We just arent always doing it. And its not the fault of the individual consumer either, its not like theres any way around purchasing destructive products. It has to do with capitalism and the companies that thrive on it. If companies arent being regulated and if no solution that is found becomes mandatory, not only can these corrupt organisations continue, but they will have to continue destructive practices to stay in the market. In turn these companies support capitalism. Furthermore, the great barrier reef that i assume you are referring to, as ive looked it up and there is no great "barrington" reef, isnt doing so well from what ive found. And even if it was, that might very well be due to conservation efforts. Were also noticing quite a few problems as a result already, here in the netherlands ive not even had snow the last couple winters, and in india summer heat has been measured at 50 celsius at some point in certain places. For refrence, thats death valley temperature. And there have been a bit too many floods in europe around the last 2-ish years.
Have you ever heard of at least a handful of climate scientists whistleblowing on the idea of climate change as a whole? No. If it really were fake, there would be plenty. such a large worldwide field of science there would always be slip ups if it were fake regardless. All ive heard was regular people who havent even been involved themselves having their own close minded assumptions. That also means general well known statements about it can also not be "fake" for the same reason. Such as yes we are the cause, yes we can do something about it. We just arent always doing it. And its not the fault of the individual consumer either, its not like theres any way around purchasing destructive products. It has to do with capitalism and the companies that thrive on it. If companies arent being regulated and if no solution that is found becomes mandatory, not only can these corrupt organisations continue, but they will have to continue their destructive practices to stay in the market. In turn these companies support capitalism. Furthermore, the great barrier reef that i assume you are referring to, as ive looked it up and there is no great "barrington" reef, isnt doing so well from what ive found. And even if it was, that might very well be due to conservation efforts. Were also noticing quite a few problems as a result already, here in the netherlands ive not even had snow the last couple winters, and in india summer heat has been measured at 50 celsius at some point in certain places. For refrence, thats death valley temperature. And there have been a bit too many floods in europe around the last 2-ish years.
Dave, buddy, I think you need to take a break from the internet... just for a bit. Take a look outside, in the mirror, idk. Just go take care of yourself & get the help you need.
We had 50 years to solve this problem. The failure to act on climate change isn’t a bug of the capitalist system. It’s a feature. Oilogarchs of the global north prioritised their short term money over the livelihoods of billions. Heartbreaking. I can only hope that people do not fall for the corporate lie that we as individuals are to blame for their actions.
Did the people stand up and fight? Or did they just calmly let all of this happen. Any person who recognized the danger and didn't risk their own lives fighting a bloody and violent war for the climate is guilty. The people are guilty because they were the only solution to this, and they refused to fight and kill for this change.
I feel like capitalism and its effects on planet earth are far stronger than the divine right of kings ever was unfortunately, and that took thousands of years for humanity to overcome.
I have always dislike that quote not only monarchies still exist from spain to Japan but most of them ended by reform of the same monarchies turning themselves into overpaid diplomats without duties or because the nobles turned on them when they were no longer needed due to industrialization changing markets, not because the people had any power to change them.
@@azliaheaven These parasites merely cling to the last vestiges of power. Nobody today believes in the divine right of kings, that we tolerate these hangers on in our republics merely shows how far they have fallen. The monarchies of Europe did not voluntarily reform themselves, they saw very clearly what befell their Romanov cousins. Whether these revolutions were based on the economic ascent of the capitalist class or peasant revolt makes little difference, the reform or destruction of monarchical power marks the begining of the liberation from all hierarchies. One day we will be free and the unquestionable power of capitalism will be behind us.
I think it was Terence McKenna who said that, in lieu of radical political alternatives, we are going to amuse and entertain ourselves into extinction. Business as usual is a death sentence for the human race.
I do landscaping, which I used to like because I can't work in a building. However I wish I could work for someone helping to restore ecosystems rather than destroying them. I hate my job now.
I am also a landscaper and I hated raking up mulch that ornamental plants drop and then spraying the bare dirt with herbicide to prevent weeds. It made no sense to me so I quit and started working at a nursery. I made connections with people at that nursery and started doing permaculture landscaping: digging earthworks to improve hydrology, utilizing roof runoff for irrigation, laying drip line, composting at my property/clients', building raised beds, planting and maintaining herbs, veggies, fruiting shrubs, fruit trees, and nut trees, and using ornamental and pioneering support species to provide biomass. I let the weeds take over lawns, and use the clippings in compost. It is an easy sell, even for people who aren't as interested in the environment as me. Traditional landscaping is very expensive for the client and permaculture produces a yield and is cheaper for me to install & maintain since the supply chains are shorter: less fertilizer, optionally less fuel to transport green waste (if they choose to compost), no expensive herbicide applications, maybe fewer labor hours? Fewer materials used in installation like edging and weed fabric. I run a nursery at my house using the skills I gained at the nursery, so that often I use my own stock on client projects. This vertical integration also reduces prices for my clients. You can pursue anything you want as long as you have the tenacity to work hard enough to make it happen! What I do isn't complicated either. A Permaculture Design Course will teach you but I learned for free on RUclips academy.
I feel your pain as an ex builder ripping out beautiful old garden for parking spaces , ripping out gorgeous old Victorian tiled kitchens for chipboard , etc etc etc , for recompense i plant trees where i can .
I don't think the world is stuck in some sort of limbo as such, but stuck in capitalism and growth. Greed and being told we never have enough. We are the hungry ghosts.
@@happymusicschool-it1qc late stage capitalism is a very strange term. It doesn't really make sense to me. Capitalism is, in effect, just the bureaucratic arm of a competitive, growth based system. A system that began with agriculture most likely. Thus it isn't late stage capitalism, it is late stage civilisation. When we say "late stage capitalism", it suggests that we can just switch it out for another system, but that isn't the case. Just like you cannot have green growth, or a green transition. They don't make sense as concepts. If you took capitalism out of the system, you'd still be left with the system.
@ricos1497 it's just a term which is associated with the effects of capitalism and its logical concluding given its motivation... I say thankfully, coz is closer to breaking itself and falling apart.. Late stage, it's eating itself.. It says nothing about what comes after, it merely describes a point in time
With the election of Trump, I'm getting increasingly fatalistic - only when it affects so many will any action be taken - by then we will be on a conveyor belt to hell...
Honestly, Trump is a pimple on the arse of this problem. Harris would not have been appreciably better, vis. Starmer v. Sunak. It’s going to take a collapse of the entire capitalist system to really make a dent. In that sense, Trump may actually help. He certainly seems intent on stripping the world economy for parts for his own gain. That’ll end well.
Many Trump supporters have no problem with nuclear energy while denying climate change. Democrats mostly cringe on nuclear while buying into climate change but support solar and wind. In the end the right wing supporting nuclear all the way is less evil than left-wingers blocking nuclear and believing in the fantasy of renewables. No I did not vote for him. Read a book on energy like say Dr David MacKay "Without The Hot Air", its a free PDF download. It would make you into an energy smarty-pants.
With Trump winning, I have given up even a tiniest of hope that we’ll address climate change within a reasonable time and even when our governments address the problem, it’ll be decades too late. Humanity failed as a species because we couldn’t overcome our own greed and illusion of power and we’ll drag countless other species with us.
Uneducated people are all over the world esp in Europe, Germans for instance have 2x the CO2 emissions of the French because they replaced all their nuclear with renewables and huge amounts of brown coal to back it up, while France sticks to its 50 year old nuclear to make 80% of their electricity.
@@moonk990the uneducated people vote for the politicians that tell them climate change is a hoax. It may ultimately be the people in power, but who _put_ them in power?
I’ve been thinking a lot about the Foundation books recently. The idea that we know a collapse is coming, that it is inescapable, and that our best efforts should be put towards not preventing collapse, but preserving what we can to ensure that the ensuing dark age is as short as possible. Maybe that’s all that we, in the 21st century, can do. Preserve what species, ecosystems and environments we can do so that the kinder, wiser societies of future centuries can have a fighting chance. We will never live to see a solar punk utopia. We will live our whole lives in humanity’s darkest century, an unprecedented mass extinction and population decrease. It won’t be pretty, we will loose people and species along the way. But we can’t stop fighting for good. I’ve also been thinking about Lord of the Rings: “I wish none of this had happened” “So do all who see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”
I’ve been watching the show which is no where near the books but the concept of an inescapable collapse has seeded itself in my mind. I just wish I had the resources and wealth to make a “repository” of sorts. A storage of knowledge that would survive the ensuing darkness so we have some pieces to pick up after the fall.
I think its more the lifeboat civilization concept we should advocate for as odds are we lose agriculture before this century is out and for Humanity to survive will need tech like green houses and hydroponics just to feed itself.
@@Jeremy-WC nope! We just need to swap away from monocrop agriculture. Why aren’t we eating acorns? God knows there are plenty of oak trees just dropping acorns everywhere in the US, but almost no one knows how to use leech then grind them to make flour. Wheat is facing serious blight risks, but there are SO many grasses and grains humans HAVE used in the past the we just don’t bother with anymore because it’s not as profitable. As more and more people start to get more involved in sourcing food locally, we will likely see an explosion of cuisines and a resurgence of lots of old, native foods in every corner of the world as we collectively shift away from using only a handful of the foodstuffs around us because those monocrop fields of corn and wheat and rice will start dying and people will start starving. Necessity is the mother of invention, or, in this case, resuscitation.
@@bellona0544 I don't think trees in North America make it in the long run and think tipping points will push us into a 5C world possibly before 2100. The tech Elon is building for colonizing mars will be needed here for at least 10000 years.
American here: on the upside Trump's policies will make all our bills so expensive we probably will have less emissions...because we won't be able to afford anything.🔥🔥 This is fine 🔥🔥
@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1 And it dropped back to ~2% by earlier this year as if the Inflation Reduction Act and federal investigations into price fixing did something... 🤔 Whether the president has much affect on overall inflation is certainly debatable, although it's pretty clear that the US president doesn't affect gas prices (see Climate Town for good treatment of this or the Drilled podcast). The CEOs of oil companies on the other hand... Listen, I'm no fan of the Democrats, but I also don't like whinging about things that they're not responsible for as if the President is god emperor of the world.
@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1 A global pandemic and you didn't think it would affect the US like it did the rest of the World? But Biden got it under control. US inflation rate:- Oct 2018 (Trump) 2.5%, Oct 2024 (Biden) 2.6%. The ignorance of people like you is why we are so worried for the future of mankind.
Im in the USA and its already hitting my state hard with the natural disasters. The mountains in my state got seriously damaged because of a hurricane (no safe infrastructure for hurricanes were there because that was previously not a problem that far off shore). It’s very sad, especially because of how poor the Appalachian region is.
Another thing- both of our main presidential nominees this year loved fossil fuels and fracking. Obviously trump is horrible but climate change is a huge problem :(
Really sorry to hear that, I hope you are doing okay! Yeah, I heard that Kamala was also still supporting fossil fuels. I always despair about our politics in the UK, but I think yours in the US are even worse lol, with somehow an even stronger two party system!
Poor area, but plants grow really well there. Growing food with natural principles can be done for almost no money. Edible Acres is a good channel for learning. Regenerating an unused piece of land would be a good topic for a video that would help attract helpers and funds to reinvest in similar projects.
@@HoboGardenerBen that requires owning land which is virtually impossible for people who aren't born into wealth right now. Things are bad here. I don't think people realize just how bad yet and it just keeps getting worse. Community organization seems to be the only solution at this point but the US has done a very good job of destroying communities for the last few decades
I appreciate my RUclips algorithm giving me videos that have a sense of hope. The thing I find most important in solving any global issues is community: taking care of each other, advocating for the oppressed, and building networks of people. Capitalism has pushed the individualist mindset so hard that it's hard for us to think outside of our own experiences.
@@ponderosabones7803 collectivizing my own ambition has been something that has taken some work, and I still struggle. I always wanted to do great things, and make peoples’ lives better, and when I died, I wanted to be remembered as the kind of human who cared. I realize now that if those are my goals, I *cannot* be focusing on things like, say, individually writing a decent novel, or working on my own so that I get a footnote in history as an impactful person. Instead, I would rather history forgets me utterly while venerating and celebrating some of the systems that I can be *a small part* of building. My networking skills have already seen a TON of trannies in Philly start skill-sharing as we upskill ourselves on ecology and mutual aid and abolition work. I don’t need to or care to be remembered as the person who “brought them together”, cuz I didn’t really; they brought themselves together. But I got to do my part and help facilitate that change, and I am getting to take care of people that I love, and that collectivized ambition has been huge in forcing me to engage with community even when it’s hard and I just want to be alone.
I feel ya. Recently changed my phones screensaver to say: "Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on." Did that just to remind myself daily of the necessity of continual action towards a better world. They may not be big steps, but I refuse to stop taking them.
Do any of you guys know how long before petrolium oil ends? Chatgpt says for about 45 years we have oil left.. everything seems so chill and flawing as if nothing is wrong though
@moonk990 don't trust chat gpt, the 45 year date was one that was thrown around that assumed we couldn't just go deeper At the current pace though it will run out/become so hard to get companion stop, probably by the turn of the century I imagine, don't think much will happen though sice we will have alternatives along with a lot of stored oil, so a rise in prices I guess something a lot of countries seem to straight up want creating massive reserves they don't use
The vast, vast majority of people in World are completley unaware how serious and catastrophic global warming is, even in the wealthiest, most technologically advanced country in the world, America. They don't know, even worse , they don't want to know. We, humanity, are exactly like the lemmings heading off the cliff: even if your in the middle of the pack and you understand whats going on, nothing you can do because all the other lemmings are going in the same direction and you cant turn around or stop. The only questions that remain are how far will global warming go and when will it stop. Their are multiple scenarios, and multiple opinions, and it was inevitable that it has become politicized. I'm glad there is movement being made towards renewables, but I suspect its all "greenwash." I sound like a doomer, and I'm also a hypocrate because I still drive and eat meat and buy stuff. (and I fart too. can't help it) I dont think the Right Wingers and the ignorant masses will ever come around until G W is literally destroying their worlds, but then it will be too late. Personally, I'm moving to the far North of Canada; its ironic, because the MAGA crowd in the U.S. are moving to Florida (where I currently reside) because its "Red State," a redneck, conservative state. Its ironic because FLA will be one of the hardest places hit when G.W. really kicks in. Its already a huge swamp, and most of it will be underwater.
The north of Canada is experiencing the effects of rapid global warming perhaps more than anywhere else. The melting of the permafrost is creating a whole host of problems.
It's even crazier when you consider how rich/powerful people are buying up land along the coast and demolishing miles of mangroves. I grew up along the coast in Florida and it's insane watching people rip up the only natural protection against storm surge and flooding caused by dangerous hurricanes. I already left the madness and fled for high ground in the mountains. I refuse to lose everything because idiots refuse to face the music and deal with the consequences of their actions/inaction.
And there you go, Renewables need 1000x time the land use of nuclear, if it hurts you to say nuclear, you are driving the world towards hell. Germany is king of renewables and brown coal, while France is king of nuclear, Germany have 2x the CO2 emissions of France. See Without The Hot Air for a free PDf book on energy, you are using about 100x the energy you think you are using. Its about 300GJ a year of primary energy, see Wikipedia Per Capita Energy Use.
@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist You may have just seriously increased your true carbon footprint by needing a large 4by4 truck to haul your groceries up the mountain. If you moved to NY city and used public transport, then you would have much lowered your footprint.
kinda sucks to have been born at the tail-end of fuck around century only to spend the rest of my life-span in the find out century I didn't even get to fuck and I'm going to find 😔
I agree about community but I think we need to create an enormous world wide community that will force political action. We need ordinary people everywhere to work together for a better future that does not have a climate apocalypse
This is what 'they' put together (Creative Society and Allatra) Elizaveta Khromova team mathematical model prediction Good in Action channel 22 November 2022 video 'our survival is in unity'
Unfortunately, I'm solidly in the doomer camp. We are farther away from a climate change consensus and a meaningful action plan than we were 2 decades ago. Although I still try, I don't have any real hope. My biggest concern now is the horrific loss and destruction of biodiversity and the natural world.
There is gonna be lots of blood ultimately, but neither the global state system nor the global system of capitalism are omnipotent. As the crisis worsens and people start starving from things like wheat blights and droughts which destroy massive amounts of (monocrop) agricultural products, eventually people will start fighting back. Bezos doesn’t have enough guns to keep us from getting to the food all around us. Starting to look into your own local ecology and figuring out food sources that can be reliably scavenged/hunted is going to be a part of it. People who open their homes to climate refugees will be a part of it. And that *is* starting to happen. I’m seeing it everywhere I look in my city. It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. But-as we learned during today’s assassination of the United Healthcare CEO-these greedy fucks who think they can have everything while giving the world nothing in return aren’t actually any stronger than the rest of us. Constructs fall when people are starving, and when money loses meaning because you can’t actually eat it or take shelter in it, the very institutions that keep us chained will fall as well.
@@saskwatch123 it is gonna be messy. I’m so sorry you are feeling that sense of doom, and I absolutely see how and why you feel that way when it seems like everyone with a voice is just the greediest human imaginable. I do not want to invalidate your feelings, because things are genuinely going to be messy. If I may, I want to echo Alana’s sentiment and provide a slightly different framing to hopefully provide an alternative to doom. Hope isn’t something that naive optimists cling to as a distraction from their pain. Hope is an inoculant against despair. Hope is a tool to sharpen resolve and clarity and provide a collective vision of what could be so that we can start making it. I don’t have hope that we escape this without a LOT of pain. Lots of people are going to die, and the biodiversity loss will be felt for millennia. BUT. Eventually-as the humans are dying en masse and the capitalist systems tied to fossil fuels collapse without their servile consumer base-the oil will stop flowing because it will *have* to. And when that happens? When there are billions of pissed off people who have had everything taken from them by a handful of assholes who set up systems that let themselves stay in power? The capitalists will have no avenue to regain power. They will have their enclaves. Bezos and Musk will live out the rest of their lives in their underground bunkers in Hawaii and New Zealand, stocked with food til they die. But when there are several million people above ground who seal in those bunkers and destroy any means the leeches have of communicating with us, then they will be utterly powerless to stop the wave of raw humanity that is revolution. Start developing your revolutionary imagination. Start looking into means of using your own full biome to start getting your resource needs met, or researching sustainable building so you can help house the next generation while others tend to food, or learning about conflict resolution and mediation while others worry about food and housing. Hell, start organizing how to fight if you want (although please don’t try to recreate a Mad Max-style apocalypse of greed-channel that fighting to those who are attacking, and never be the first to initiate violence). There is SO MUCH we can all start doing *right now* to start preparing for what we know is coming. Start talking to people about communal living. Start reading near-future socialist sci fi. Start getting involved in community gardening and learning how to set up permaculture systems on public or private lands where people will allow you. We will get through this, just like we got through ice ages for hundreds of thousands of years. The only way through, though, is together. Let your community fill your cup with hope, and wield that like the nuclear bomb of a weapon that hope is. Sending love.
I'm sorry, Alana, but we are ALREADY past the point of no return. The thermohaline cycle is already being altered, the arctic icecaps are melting away year by year, permafrost is thawing, more and more Brazilian rain forest has been cleared for grazing and to grow soybeans for China as a replacement for the exports from the US that were interrupted by Trump's LAST trade war, and the Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica is being undermined by seawater to the point where it is gradually destabilizing and will eventually separate an ice island the size of a state.
@@solarpunkalana In the coming years here in the US, we're primarily going to be concerned with staying alive as prices skyrocket, imported goods become less available, and healthcare insurance for many is reduced or eliminated. In the coming New American Order, we'll work and be productive members of society until ... the day we can't, and then we'll be expected to hurry up and die off so as not to be a burden.
I'm on the side that pessimism is better for change than optimism. Yeah, things are already fkd, that's why we have to work twice as hard to soften the impact. That is one strategy that works in nature. We are wired to think we have less food reserve than we actually have, so we gather some extra than needed. Yeah, the ice is melting and will create a feedback loop of rapid warming, but we can start working now to reduce greenhouse gasses and maybe help it go back to normal a decade or two earlier than it would naturally do.
The ignored elephant in the room…. ⚠️ If we really want to address the problem of climate change we have to look at all angles. We are being told our production of CO2 is the main culprit but there is an elephant in the room that is not being spoken about. The vast majority of forest have been decimated for crop fields to feed cattle at a poor return of protein. 16 pounds of grain return a poultry 1 pound of meat. This means if we switch to a plant-based choices, we can easily Reforest and absorb CO2 from the atmosphere.
11:40 I'm all for community vegetable gardens -But we'd all basically have to go full Amish to replace the existing infrastructure and if it's too big of an ask to tell that office worker (from the earlier example) not to go on that beach holiday -Asking him to become a farmer doesn't seem like any less of an ask. He probably doesn't even own any land to share. I'm not entirely convinced most people even want 'community' with their neighbours (although I might be projecting my own preferences here). Anyways, it's not like I have a better idea. This was all ment with respect.
We’ve already passed the tipping point. Now, the aptly named “accelerationists” are 6 weeks from being IN CHARGE. So, the COP project is dead. And so are we. Enjoy the ride!
Difference is anything done matters, if your community starts a community forest that helps your local environment. Sadly this isn't the kind of crisis in which you can throw the towel once you've lost because there is always something you can do
@@kated3165even if the AMOC collapses, which it will likely just slow down affecting climate greatly in different parts of the world, that is far from being the emd of the world, you will probably still be alive, so take action, promote community forests oppose fossil fuel projects and inform people, if only game overs actually existed in this kind of problems, things would be so easy, but 2° is less than 3° qnd 3° is less than 4° and every one of those differences is a great change in quality and loss of life
@@Solstice261 Unless local ordnance prevents said forest. Or if that forest gets bulldozed and developed in ten years time. Or the forest cannot grow because native flora now die in the new climatic state. There's actually very little for an individual or small community.
"Have We Finally Lost to Climate Change?" When did the fighting start? I am not disparaging the enormous efforts of all trying to understand and stop it, just pointing out that the vast majority of the world's wealth and power has been spent making sure no realistic action could be taken. The way I see it is that while profit drives our economy, as in capitalism, we don't have a chance to fight climate change. The irony being that climate change will eventually force the downfall of capitalism.
Well if it makes you feel ANY better, the world as a whole will (probably) be fine. It’s just the majority of species, as well as humanity, that’s basically fucked.
Unfortunately, the existing status quo is too valuable to the greedy rich to be torn down earlier than it needs to be. Not my opinion, but my observation. The only chance of rebuilding this supertanker is after it has crashed, not before... Won't be long now. Nice, thoughtful, compassionate presentation though, thanks Alana.
@@eeyorehaferbock7870 industrializing is always horrible for the environment, but once you get there you can work on mitigation. The more capitalist (privatized), the less they tend to actually mitigate that. China may be worse than the US in total emissions, but they're a much bigger country. If you look per capita, they're doing amazingly compared to the US.
@@eeyorehaferbock7870 No country was supposed to be communist, you're talking socialism, also don't try comparing here. The fact that others country had carbon emission does not take away capitalisms faults specially because these countries are not anymore socialist so only capistilism is doing this, so that's why he boarded about capitalism, PS: Ik there SOME countries who're still socialist, it's just that capitalism now more than ever is the one responsible
You summed things up. The changes we need are slowly happening. I use scooter and bus. Grow a garden. Hardly buy anything. We need to come together more, but the existing system doesn’t allow this.
You have endless time? "Til 2030 we have to see a serious decrease in ghg-emissions - or we touch tipping elements in a row. One of those has the power to end civilization" Many, many ppl in the world live 'without hope' every day. Haitians for instance. I think the West may learn.... ..or lay down.
algae is the future of life on Earth, one way or another. Sir David King and Raffael Jovine, etc. point out that algae can sequester 100 gigatons per year. Oil and coal originate from algae. We can embrace the algae or the algae will take over anyway.
The climate situation is escalating so quickly, it's terrifying. I love the solarpunk vision but I suspect we will have to make it through the climate/cyberpunk/AI/WW3 apocalypse first, and then only if there is anyone left. It's really hard to share your optimism.
This is why we have to change things right now before it's too late because time is running out, and when we do decide to fix it later, it would already be too late and the environment will never recover from it in short timespan.
We? Idk about you but I don't have anywhere near enough power to change international policies. Hell, I don't even have enough resources to do things in my community.
We lost 30years ago if the goal was no climate change. We lost 20years ago for the + 1.5. We lost 10years ago for the +2°C. We are currently losing for the +4°c. But since no one reads the science (probably less than 1% of the pop bother reading publications or even the ipcc short resume), we will keep losing.
@@official_mosfet Too little? supposedly London and NY were going to be 15 meters underwater by 2002... see what the climate "scientists" predicted in the 1990's...
@@albin4323 You're in sweden, even too you act like a jack as s, i thought there were just nice people there! Also, what will you do when these 0,9c turn into 6c? It can be slow but it will happen...
Hi Alana! Been watching your channel for awhile, and although I love your videos overall, I think you missed the mark on this one. I've been thinking of emailing you recently, to send you some articles and studies, in addition to a proposal of action. But making an introduction to my point publicly might help more people. Unfortunately, there's no 'winning' the war against climate change. We're already at 1.5°C degrees. 2024 is the hottest year in the last 100~130 thousand years. Instead of lowering, nations worldwide are increasing their carbon footprint. In the current rate (anthropic regime, where humanity is the main emitter of greenhouse gases), already in 2030 we'll have emitted enough to make us reach 3°C. But the thing is: the climate models we have today _do not_ account for tipping points. Of course they don't. Cause it's fuckin hard. Modeling reality, specially in climate science, is absurdly complex. Those tipping points can start a cascade effect, that we scientists cannot begin to fathom the effect it'll have on our lives and the ecosystem. +
In 2023, the temperature has risen way above what the models predicted. Climate scientists all over the world are still trying to identify what caused this. It could be one of the many tipping points that could go off at this range of 1,5° degrees, or it could be that some, or many, of the buffer capacity systems reached their limit and stopped acting. We do not know. The scenarios that the IPCC stated for 1,5°C ~ 3°C are terrifying. But we are headed towards a much bigger increase. We here at the global south will be the first big victims, but it won't take long to affect the global north as well. We _cannot_ even begin to describe the amount of destruction that's to come. Some (by some I mean a lot) predictions estimate human death rates at the range of billions. And yes, when shit happens we do tend to come together and work as communities, you can see that in the recent disasters all over the world. But governments don't. And they are the ones with the power. The _disaster capitalism_ is generating profit for many people. Here in Brazil, when the disaster of the floods happened at our south region, governors and mayors took the opportunity to make multimillionaire deals with private reconstruction companies from Europe. +
But ok, enough talking about the apocalypse. Let's suppose we're less fucked. Let's suppose we suddenly stop at 1.5°C for whatever reason (we won't). Then we're still fucked as fuck. We are organized in an extremely _fragile_ way. Our cities suck, specially here. We depend on stuff that comes from the other side of the world. Shit doesn't need to happen exactly where we are to affect us. We are extremely _dependent_. Do I even need to talk about what will happen regarding the rise of the far right? The fake news and fake studies that are promoted by the news and are made by A.I.? The food and water crisis? The looming threat of the lithium wars that are to happen at the global south? +
So, my criticisms are, in a nutshell: 1) Positivity has no room in this discussion. None. Because it doesn't promote action. We're in a dire situation. Do we need hope? Yes, hope that with a lot of effort, coordination, study and mutualism, we can build a resilience focused community. A pseudo solarpunk community, at best. Because governments and money won't cease to exist that fast, so will have to coexist with it. An anarchist revolution is made little by little, that's why I believe in it. It functions in a way that it doesn't need direct conflict as the _main_ way of overcoming the bourgeois dictatorship. But it takes a long, long time. And time we do not have. We need to act _now_ if we want to have the least chance of protecting the ones we love, and possibly making a life that's worth living. 2) And please, avoid using titles like this one. 'Did we lost the war on climate change?'. Yes, we did. It's a fact that many will suffer and our life will change in ways we can't predict. So don't sugarcoat it. We must learn to _stay with the problem_. The first thing we need to do to deal with it is accept that it is coming. We mustn't keep living our lives normally like nothing is happening. We need to prepare.+
I really admire your work and I hope I didn't sound mean or smth, it wasn't the intention. I'm a physics researcher and educator, been working with nuclear reactors for some years. And, I hope it's not like that in the UK, but wow, academia truly is broken here (I'm pretty sure in most countries too). The amount of absurdities I hear everyday from scientists with the highest prestige and degrees is abominable. This year I managed to talk with some climate reaserches and, yeah, there are two kinds basically: the ones that believe that degrowth it the only solution and the ones that believe that carbon taxing will magically solve everything. Both sides end up taking no action. Most scientists been saying for decades that we're dooming ourselves but aren't being listened, so they gave up. But I don't want to. I've been talking for years with many people, from different backgrounds, giving seminars, writing stuff, but, oh boy, isn't it hard to promote action? This is so frustrating, I'm really burnt out, overload with things, and I've got basically no one that can help me. I've tried joining leftist groups but they aren't focused on what's important and still have this hierarchy bullshit. Now I recurring to people of other cities, states and countries. You're one of them. +
My intention is to interact with, share and exchange information with people that have more influence than me, so that we, together, may propose solutions for the many problems that are to come. And yes. One word? Permaculture. But how? Where? With what means? With who? Dunno. Let's find out.
I try to not sound like a doomer, but I accepted that I was born onto planet that my species is actively killing just so a handful of them can have a higher imaginary number that will not matter in the long run. And my parents wonder why I’m not having any children.
Are they. All i see around me are people blissfully still asleep. They put sound cancelling headsets to make sure no alarm would disturb their American dream...
I'm not nearly as doomer-ish about the climate as others are. We already have tech that can reverse aspects of climate change, removing CO2 from the atmosphere for example, we just need to use them on a global scale. It will not only become easier to do this over time, with that tech eventually becoming cheaper, but we'll also develop new tech that will be more efficient, and do more than just carbon capture.
Glad to hear someone who understands what is happening, I was resigned to the end of human civilisation within 5 to 10 years, but as you say, if enough people can break out of the system it could be possible to save some people at least. Good luck with your efforts, time is short. I pity the rest of life on earth more than humans really though.
I appreciate being given SOME ideas to look further into as possibilities for progress/change. Various things may work for some communities or individuals that may not work for others, so I'll give a try at seeing what I can try to implement in my own locale. I realize that generally speaking, hope can exist in the present due to the potential for a hoped future thing to take place, and so hope (generally) could persist regardless of the state of the present moment. Considering most things point towards the climate issues getting worse instead of better, my frame of mind gets frequently shifted towards what options might there be further along this path to climate doom (and particularly what options could be meaningfully prepared for that'd help present AND future prospects). For the moment, that method of approach gives me more practical and accessible hope than doing what I've been doing (which mostly have felt like low-odds gambling on a game where winning wasn't even a process built into the system). These videos (regardless of their particular use to me) renew my hope slightly and remind me to spend a little time on this area of things, despite all of the numerous other avenues pressingly beckoning for attention and progress. These reminding videos offering new ideas have been effective at keeping me making progress towards climate change, and for that I thank you. One of your thoughts that really stuck out to me was the conscious and careful replanting of native plant species.
the comunity part is true, but a big problem is location. i've seen some offgrid villages thrive, but they had to buy land as a "non profit company" in order to even start. this has 3 problems: 1) the space for it isn't always available, 2) it's not scalable if lots of people actually start the transition, 3) laws will be formed to stop the grouping if it starts impacting big companies. as much as the idea of migrating to a rural area using only green energy is attractive, our main goal should be to convert the cities we already live in. comunities living green are essential to let people see what is possible, but not the end goal
Thank you for all of the hard work you do. I can’t help but think of how carbon pollution actually makes us less intelligent as a species. It makes me wonder what we would be doing in a world not corrupted by carbon materials like CO2 and CH4. Would we actually solve the polycrisis, as opposed to warring with one another over meaningless human constructs?
I appreciate your theory of change and sympathize with you about our Borked progress so far. I've worked professionally at Climate Crisis advocacy in San Diego and even here transition can seem hopeless. One of the best theories that I read along my journey through climate literacy had this to say, and it's kept me engaged when logic should have told me we've lost: Humans are incredibly resilient and we've proven in many circumstances that when society feels threat against our survival, we band together like ants and truly meet the call. WW2 is the flawed analogy (because mass killing) and it serves as proof that the world can and will combine efforts and seemingly drop everything to win the battle for our future. It's the only proof we need that we will band together globally and shift our entire lives, because we've done it before, twice. So what's the deal, why hasn't this happened yet? Our challenge, as this theory put it, is not to get the societal changes we need as that is inevitable as Climate Crisis become more impossible to deny or delay against action. Our challenge, as those who understand this threat and it's magnitude earlier than others, is to accelerate the timing of when we will inevitably act. Our race against time and tipping points includes providing a rudimentary feedback loop which will be paramount in succeeding at rapid decarbonizatiin. We won't have time to try everything, fail at the seemingly easy, but woefully inadequate solutions (luxury EVs patterned as direct replacements for one of our world's biggest offenders) so we must become the early solution refinement corp, exposing false solutions and being the early voices conditioning the masses to the magnitude of change we'll need. Veiwed this way, our struggle is one of changing minds quickly and more intelligently, using compassion, common sense, and in a distant third data and the science that bears it out. Overcoming capitalism will be the hardest, IMO, but if you doubt that will ever happen, consider that we, as progressive people had rarely publicly discussed that as a necessity until recent years. That we challenge the seriousness of change needed is and will continue to be our pathway to dramatic solutions when we arrive at the global tipping point ofcworldwide climate action.
I am seriously facing a existential crisis about this crap, I heard somebody say that humanity got us into this mess, and advancements in technology and science will get us out of it. I just walked away
Bad part. Humanity is doomed (tbh unknown if thats a bad thing). Good part. Neither you nor me will live to see it happen so it dosent matter. Enjoy life
With the disappointment of COP and the USA election, and having blown right through 1.5, it's easier than ever to say fuck it and retreat into your own bubble, to stop caring, but hearing you speak truth to power like this is invigorating and SO necessary to keep up. I'm 'only' 34 so we may be roughly the same generation, but I always remind myself of those younger than me. The teenagers who despite having been born into a world in crisis, are still hopeful, still on fire, not crumpling up in apathy despite the callousness with which their future's are treated by those in power. If they can keep up the fight, then we millenials and older have zero excuse. We might wink out before the worst of it, but they won't. The young people need us to stay mad at the powerful, and stay kind to our neighbors. Let's all be beacons of light wherever we are, because the world is going to need it.
No matter how bad everything gets, you don’t stop fighting for change. Temperatures should never have gotten to the point +1.5° became inevitable, but it’s happening. Does that mean we throw in the towel? No. Because +2° WILL be worse. And if it hits 2°? We fight to never have it become +3°. We only lose when we as a collective become so apathetic in the face of possible change we give up. “Let them drill for oil” we say, “Everything’s already bad. What’s another poisoned river and destroyed ecosystem?” No, We won’t give in to the narrative the people so blinded by money and power are trying to sell us. We don’t have that luxury. We simply cannot. Because then, and only then, have we truly lost.
But it's not profitable so it will never be wide spread enough, because the ultra rich will not allow it to happen because it is their financial backbone
Good summary of the state of affairs. Is it really surprising though that politicians in democracies do what they do? They know that the majority of their voters would NEVER agree to a reduction in consumption because that means a ‘standard of living’ reduction. They’d be voted out in a flash. Even dictators have to retain the support of enough greedy individuals and avoid popular uprisings.
"without hierarchy or profit generation" this phrase perfectly encapsulates why solarpunk will never amount to anything more than well-intentioned bourgeois daydreaming
Most people don't have the motivation to gather together yet. Too many sources of fast dopamine keeping us hooked to degenerative daily rhythms. So my hopes are centered around collapse. If the stores stop being reliably full and the grid utilities become unreliable then people will need to come together to thrive. Right now the machine keeps us dependant by providing for our needs and through various addictions and shared ideas. It'd be chaotic, but the best thing that could ever happen would be for the power to go out, water tap stops working, no internet, stores empty. A lot of people are much better prepared because of the shutdown, so many will try to help their neighbors. Some will retreat in fear and try to hurt all intruders, but many will come together. Community is an approach to survival. We make communities because we needed to do that to survive. Survival pressure would renew the strength of community because it's the lack of survival pressure that has been weakening it in the first place. Utopia isn't a good goal, we need strife. Endless peace is the same thing as stagnation, we need some level of suffering for a rich life. I'm not aiming for utopia, but we can certainly do better than this.
Utopia is impossible because stagnancy simply doesn’t exist for long. The universe changes constantly. There are literally two things we can meaningfully claim to know: 1. Is is 2. Is changes This period in human history is atypical. A worldwide system of domination, hierarchy, slavery, colonization, and greed has never existed before. Humans are capable of all kinds of things but the most critical is our capability to choose, and capitalists have waged a multi-century-long war on revolutionary imagination to keep us from imaging what *could* be. You are right. Things are going to get a lot worse first. There will be collapse. Lots of it. And in that collapse, all of the power structures that have ruled us will suddenly be utterly powerless to keep the neoliberal agenda going. And we *will* care for each other. It’s gonna be messy, but that is what humans do. I’m buying a house to have a spare bed for people and to plant a multicrop ecosystem that is open to the public so people can come pick the plants grown sustainably. I am one small person, and I still see the path forward that puts human kindness and care at the forefront of the species once more. I don’t know the exact path, but I don’t need to. I just need to see the rough shape to start carving my own trail forward, and I am doing so with the people I love, and that love me, and we *will* build something that meets *all* of our needs together.
@bellona0544 Ya dude, tingles, you get it. I used to want to get land to retreat from the world and provide for myself. Now I want land to grow food to gice to others so they might be changed by the flavor and become gardeners. I'll host work exchangers to come help with the harvest and learn in exchange for camping and food. I'm cool with selling crafts made from natural materials from the land, like birch bark baskets, and transplants for valuable perennials. But the capitalism mind-virus will not control my interaction with that land. That place and myself are to be like an amaranth seed, tiny and strong, able to produce many other seeds. I'll probably make a free youtube channel about it too, help add to the available wealth of information here on natural gardening. I learned sooooo much from Sean of Edible Acres over the years mixed with thousands of hours of dirt time and experimentation, all on other people's land. Now I'm ready, I know plenty, and I'm dedicated to this general notion of growing gardeners. I want my patch for my personal survival too, but I know I can't do it alone, nor do I want to, I need other people and they need me. It's not utopia, but it is good enough. We can achieve little temporary bubbles of good enough in the madness, that is my goal :)
I'm too busy trying to survive. No offense, but some of us work to live. If your argument is we need to suffer even more, need to work even more, then I'm not behind it. I barely get by as is, I don't need an armchair economist telling me I don't deserve the few things I have.
@drendenoxendine3491 You just described what is keeping you down, the norms of this society, the grind. Living paycheck to paycheck for overpriced basic necessities like shelter and food and medicine. Economics professor Ashley has very interesting symbol for the collective set of game theory incentives within the current economic structure that are making things suck and heading towards suck more, the GDP dragon. Please don't judge her channel off of my worldview, she isn't cynical like me. Her video on the anatomy of GDP dragon is a really good place to start to understand what is making your life the way it is, it's complicated, still way beyond me, working on it. She has a different solution than me, a concept she calls atomic collaboration, but you should watch her video on it, I'd butcher the concepts. The idea has merit but I don't see how it will get started. Wouldn't mind being surprised.
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Without capitalism and innovation, "Solarpunk" and most green tech we have today would not exist. The current impact we have on the environment is still catastrophic, but it's one of the better timelines. Ecological collapse is not some evil ploy by capitalists who want to burn the environment, it's an inevitable consequence of our massive industrialized human population. Many people don't like hearing this, but the reason why we keep damaging the environment through industry is that people want to lead good lives and companies respond to the demand. Some idealize the ancient hunter gatherer societies or whatever, but the best quality of life humans can achieve was brought forth by liberal capitalism. The only things we can do now is try to mitigate the damage and use our resources efficiently, which non-capitalist systems are incapable of. Also there's no excuse for not eating plant-based diets, it's not some sort of privileged lifestyle, just buy corn, tofu and beans for god's sake.
The system is rigged against us, and telling governments 'pwetty pwease?' on eco-solutions isn't going to cut it with lobbyists under their desk. Either we "fight" or we _fight_ ;Anarchy is the only solution in this international casino of Capitalism.
Thanks for this. I've been grieving the last month of so since the election here in the US as things look quite dire. As you said, much of mainstream climate conversation has focused on the state vs individual false dichotomy and ignored the power of community. If you haven't run across it, the Frontiers of Commoning podcast has a lot of interesting ideas about restoring the commons. I've been thinking a lot about how to build mechanisms to wrest control of infrastructure from corporations and turn them into worker or hybrid model coops as the "infrastructure as a form of resistance" descriptor of solarpunk really resonates with my engineer soul. Anyway, thanks for the pick-me-up to get back into the fight!
wait what- pausing at 0:25 I have known - for a very, very long time that most of humanity (Being over 50%) most cirtainly do not really care about our path towards mutual distruction? They may say they care, they may even say its one of the most important things to them, but I truely believe you can tell what some really cares about by what they put their time and energy into and im telling you right now, most of humanity, doesnt really care about climate change and never did
I think you have good intentions here, but the thing why solarpunk movement is just another utopia is the fact that everything that's too collectivist, focuses on community rather than rights of an individual ends up being forced to anyone who wants to be different. That's tyrrany at the end. It may seem good on paper, but we are not robots or ants. Each of us have various goals and are different in what we want. I agree though, that climate change has to be taken much much more seriously with some more radical regulations and more green tech innovation. Look at plastic pollution for example, it's horrible. But we should find a way to tackle this without abolishing freedom of individual. I think capitalism along with strict enviro regulations can do that, if the demand for real green sustainable solutions is high enough. So theoretically, if many people are truly persuaded they really want greener energy and are willing to invest in it, the market will eventually solve this. If not, then strict regulations.
According to estimates in 2021, we would now only have 7 years to fix everything. And that's ignoring the fact that we've been seeing things go bad faster than expected. We don't have time to build communities and pressure government into action. We'd have to move NOW and replace them. Nothing short of extreme radical change will be enough at this point.
The answer you're looking for in fewer people being born. Fewer people consuming resources until it is sustainable. Fewer people being used as cheap labor to fuel the rich. ...
Population size matters but it is industrialized societies vs. simpler agrarian societies that makes the biggest difference: Roughly 80% of the climate crisis and broader ecological destruction was caused by the richest 20% of nations and people. It is modern civilization that is the problem.
I've been thinking about this allot. And I do think that there will be a moment, perhaps soon, where all discussion will cease, and big changes start happening. I think we have to wait until deep pockets can't outspent damages related to climate change. Whether it be storms, Food shortages, the AMOC collapsing, or anything and everything terrible all at once. When big money starts taking big hits, they'll finally do something about it, but it'll probably already be too late at that point. You can't reverse the irreversible. I'm no scientist of course, and I can be quite pessimistic at times. But this is my outlook at the moment.
Alana the reason they’re not listening to you about the climate crisis is quite simple! The modern advanced technical civilisation has grown only because of cheap energy sources. These energy sources are all in the main carbon based fossilised fuel sources. Without the discovery of them we’d be still living in completely different social world. Industrialisation wouldn’t have been possible without cheap energy of fossilised fuel sources. The paradox is we haven’t been able to find alternative sources of cheap energy to replace fossil fuels industry. The petro countries of the world are doing everything in their power to block climate mitigation. That’s why each COP meeting is a complete farce! We have no carbon capture projects in place, wind and solar are still poor substitutes for fossil energy sources. Nuclear power is very expensive way of producing energy. Especially with decommissioning costs. Politicians don’t have the answer to this massive dilemma we have. What’s slowly unfolding is going to be catastrophic unfortunately! Atmospheric carbon dioxide is not going down today’s NASA reading is 422ppm October 2024. It will soon be 500ppm! No it’s certainly not going down!
The “great” thing about being rich and powerful is that people can scream and cry about you being evil all they want. They won’t do anything but talk and you have all the power to do whatever you want. After all, the only thing people can do to you is talk at you, and talking can be ignored.
Sadly so, rich people do not need societies approval, or care, they live in a luxurious utopia surrounded by beauty and people who serve them and kiss their asses, they do whatever their heart desires, buy whatever they fancy and go wherever they please with 1st class ease.
@@solarpunkalana EXACTLY. it's super critical. who talks reminds and educates others on this issues if not youtubers like yourself. mainstream media (of ranchers (literally 'mafia'))? they won't touch this issue seriously (except downplaying and ridiculing and tactics of herrings and misinformation and false reassurance that "this is ok" and "this is fine", like real life don't look up) at least the environmental impacts aspects. even if ethical side won't be discussed (which it should be since it's real life horrors and abuse of power). "stand up for what is right even if you stand alone" ..except you're not alone on this road besides vegans/abolitionists ..there's others too. most reliable informations are on these websites like "eating our way to extinction" documentary(just environment) or channels like bitesizevegan(environment/ethics) or micthevegan(environment/ethics) or moby(yes, the musician environment/ethics he has podcasts interviews etc) or jamielogan vegangaze(just ethics mostly) or garyfrancione(ethics) or etc. dominion 2018 for just ethics(logical behaviours or mentality).
@@katiepelland-mcdonald2787 solving climate change is not worth it if that’s what it takes to solve it. Who cares if there’s no more snow our freedoms matter more
@@katiepelland-mcdonald2787 solving climate change is not worth it if that’s what it takes to solve it. Who cares if there’s no more snow our freedoms matter more than
Community isn't the answer either, unfortunately. History over last 5-6 decades has shown conclusively that whenever such initiatives start to threaten corporate profits, lobbyists convince government to find issues with them. They don't comply with XYZ regulation, etc. Then the normal legal processes undermine, then extinguish them. Anything that stays at the level of "look, you are free to do such things" is ok, when it starts to actually hurt the bottom line, it stops pretty quickly. Young people (like I was once) haven't seen it happen so they think that "this time will be different". It won't...
Sounds fine, but there's a big but and some news. Renewables can't substitute all we do with oil, even worse, renewable energy devices can't be at the moment built without fossil fuels. Also climate change if we can do something about it is only part of the story. The name of the game is ecological overshoot! We will have to make do with perhaps a tenth of our present energy consumption since also fossil fuels will dwindle...
This is now the 4th progressive video without auto captions available by a creator who used to have them. Is everyone turning it off or is yt suppressing? As someone hoh I'd really like to know what's going on if anyone knows
Sorry, I’m not sure why they’re off! I’ve had a look in settings and can’t see anything about them… very strange. It must be a RUclips thing. Hopefully they become enabled soon
After the wars, droughts, famines, wildfires, and innumerable climate catastrophes have collapsed civilization, there may only be a handful of humans remaining. Well run small communities will be critical for survivors, if any, to persevere.
I swear if i got a nickel every time this idea and rhetoric that if we switched to socialism "all the problems in the world will vanish right away", i would be capable to buy all the fossil fuel indistry
Great societies have grown, ruled, and ended. What you are describing is the next great society. The climate crisis will end this one, no way out now. A new sustainable society for a quite different world would be the normal course of history. Wish us luck. 🎉
Read a statistic that 20% of Americans cant read past a 6th grade level So when 25% vote one way, 25% vote the other way, and 50% don't vote, its really easy for 4/5ths of a part to not understand whats being said so they vote for the person they can understand, even if everything he says is just appealing to emotion. I mean the guy said that he made the cleanest water while also actively saying that he was going to delete the EPA Most people don't do fact checking on someone they already agree with.
I feel I should mention this -the earth will be fine. Life will continue. That is, after many species (likely including us), die. It’s not a matter of the Earth dying, but of us.
But doesn't the community approach have the same problems as the individual one? We can't expect everyone will be able or willing to put in the time and effort required while being strangled by capitalism. Change will have to start by governmental level (although it will certainly require a lot of pressure and action). Even if every community in a country stops consuming and is self sustainable, that only means the State will give consesions and export all the goods to other countries. Nothing would actually change in the end.
Yeah, this one missed the mark. We DID lose to climate change and the idea that an individual can somehow make an impact on multi-trillion dollar governments ran by corrupt politicians is absurd. BTW it doesn't help when your onboarding for your ""movement"" is basically, "Let's trade all the amenities we've worked so hard for! All your work meant nothing and you should be living with a quarter of what you fought for! I don't care if you're in the bottom 30% of income earners, you live in a first world country and therefore deserve a shit life!"
There are some GREAT books that I recommend to people who want to develop a revolutionary imagination and start seeing ways that we can exist outside of capitalism. “Dawn of Everything” is an archeological and anthropological review of the last few decades of evidence that challenges assumptions about complex living necessitating hierarchy (plus, like, a million other important things). “Everything for Everyone” is a sci-fi novel set in the 2050’s through 2070’s and chronicles a version of the climate crisis that leads first to American hegemonic consolidation and a war in Iran but ultimately results in a global commune as communities individually overthrow the systems that existed. And keep up on your theory, everyone!!!
There are also things I'd like to add: using newer technology to promote more efficient production. currently the model is to overproduce in a wasteful but cheap manner and compete for buyers, the most egregious example would be in terms of goods that utilize technology where we see planned obselesence, production of inferior products with the same technology to inflate the price of the product (the whole processor market is based on multiple lesser models being produced and the real product being the expensive "high end" one when the cost of production could bring profit even at the price of the "low end" version) deliberate lack of modularity and upgrade capability, not putting in features to add into later products, etc. This can be combatted by changing how production is done, namely by using standard production lines to mass produce base universal components and using local assembly and additive manufacturing to produce desired end products according to demand. In addition we need a massive biotech boost, not only in terms of use of biology based materials such as bioplastics but a regenerative medicine boom to vastly better human quality of life and lifespan. A mistake I see, one that is the biggest weapon in the hands of fossil fuel mouthpieces, is them equating sustainable systems to low tech, lesser quality of life and shorter lifespans. If we are to succeed in messaging, sustainable futurism must adopt a viable form of transhumanist futurism that can promise better outcomes than the one that's promised by current proponents.
I understand your reasoning but I completely disagree that this is the right way to bring about meaningful change. To end climate change we should not be creating a parallel society with our own food production and distribution. This method is slow and expensive, though building a community and connection this way is good at getting the message out, it is not a long term or even a necessary solution. Community can and should be built but it cannot succeed if you start by disregarding the system. Something Environmentalists and leftists continually fail to recognise is that farmers are not corrupt capitalists. Farmers are victims of capitalism as much as anyone, they often have to deal with selling to monopolies and are subjected to the market in a business which cannot change when prices do, if you’ve planted wheat you’re going to harvest and sell wheat whether it’s a loss or not because the market changes between crop cycles but your crops don’t. not to mention how they rely on luck with the weather. In the UK especially many farmers are actually doing pretty poorly, but they continue farming, you know why? Because they understand they feed people, farming is meaningful work and provides a meaningful life because they know they provide the basis for society, they live poor die rich. To disregard the power of integrating farmers into the movement is irresponsible. Industrial farming with artificial fertilisers and sprays is not just cheap and efficient, but it is the only way to feed the world, when many are negligent of the environment it is often to make a living. Farmers are necessary and to ignore these hardworking people who value the people of this planet as much as you and I is irresponsible. To manifest real change we need to work together, not to build our own society, but to threaten the existence of the current one so that we may supplant it with our own or improve it with compromise. Unions and industrial action can do this, and I dare say that farmers deserve a union as much as all industries. Strikes threaten the supply and profits of the businesses that run the world, strikes pose a threat to the people in power and as a result they will compromise and concede. A union will lead to more meaningful change than a self sufficient community because a self sufficient community is impossible in our globalised, developed world. Who will make the e-bikes? Who produces the asphalt for the roads or pavement for paths? Who produces the solar panels for the communities’ growth? This is a society ultimately still subservient to industry and capitalism, if you want meaningful change we need to challenge capitalism with strikes and unions. Once most all workers are unionised, and the people of this world are ready for change they should overthrow the capitalist system and supplant it with a system subservient not to the rich, but to the people, perhaps in a few rapid events or over many many years or likely a mix of both. The seeds to such a system lies in the unions, which should become a democratic managerial body of their industry as they work with a democratic government to run the economy. The capitalist system is too entrenched to replace, it is only by working within its borders through gradual or sudden (if conditions are right) reform that change can be achieved.
One phenomenon worth looking into is “ecological overshoot,” meaning when the demands made on the ecosystem exceed its regenerative capacity. We have over 8 billion people in a world that’s capable of sustaining about 3-4 billion tops. We keep clear cutting the forests to make more farmland and overfishing the seas. We have to do something drastic and soon.
I personally found the movie to be disservice to the cause... It is poorly written and acted, while it contains some questionable depictions (check Marxism Today's analysis). I like the book though.
Woooow, so brave. When you actually act on the cause let us know. Otherwise, acting like a badass because you watched a 40 minute youtube video just makes you look fucking silly. It makes the entire movement look silly, real, "Ehrm, I just bought this katana. Now EVERYONE will think I'm cool" vibes.
There is no "climate crisis", you load swallower!!! Did you know the Great Barrington Reef has been growing back for almost a decade and is nearing to surpass it's record recorded size. Your either a propaganda pusher or you have 🤏 common sense and even less critical thinking on board to see the truth
Have you ever heard of at least a handful of climate scientists whistleblowing on the idea of climate change as a whole? No. If it really were fake, there would be plenty. such a large worldwide field of science there would always be slip ups if it were fake regardless. All ive heard was regular people who havent even been involved themselves having their own close minded assumptions.
That also means general well known statements about it can also not be "fake" for the same reason. Such as yes we are the cause, yes we can do something about it. We just arent always doing it.
And its not the fault of the individual consumer either, its not like theres any way around purchasing destructive products. It has to do with capitalism and the companies that thrive on it.
If companies arent being regulated and if no solution that is found becomes mandatory, not only can these corrupt organisations continue, but they will have to continue destructive practices to stay in the market. In turn these companies support capitalism.
Furthermore, the great barrier reef that i assume you are referring to, as ive looked it up and there is no great "barrington" reef, isnt doing so well from what ive found.
And even if it was, that might very well be due to conservation efforts.
Were also noticing quite a few problems as a result already, here in the netherlands ive not even had snow the last couple winters, and in india summer heat has been measured at 50 celsius at some point in certain places. For refrence, thats death valley temperature. And there have been a bit too many floods in europe around the last 2-ish years.
Ah yes, the Great Barrington Reef, famously running along the shoreline of Austria.
Have you ever heard of at least a handful of climate scientists whistleblowing on the idea of climate change as a whole? No. If it really were fake, there would be plenty. such a large worldwide field of science there would always be slip ups if it were fake regardless. All ive heard was regular people who havent even been involved themselves having their own close minded assumptions.
That also means general well known statements about it can also not be "fake" for the same reason. Such as yes we are the cause, yes we can do something about it. We just arent always doing it.
And its not the fault of the individual consumer either, its not like theres any way around purchasing destructive products. It has to do with capitalism and the companies that thrive on it.
If companies arent being regulated and if no solution that is found becomes mandatory, not only can these corrupt organisations continue, but they will have to continue their destructive practices to stay in the market. In turn these companies support capitalism.
Furthermore, the great barrier reef that i assume you are referring to, as ive looked it up and there is no great "barrington" reef, isnt doing so well from what ive found.
And even if it was, that might very well be due to conservation efforts.
Were also noticing quite a few problems as a result already, here in the netherlands ive not even had snow the last couple winters, and in india summer heat has been measured at 50 celsius at some point in certain places. For refrence, thats death valley temperature. And there have been a bit too many floods in europe around the last 2-ish years.
Dave, buddy, I think you need to take a break from the internet... just for a bit. Take a look outside, in the mirror, idk. Just go take care of yourself & get the help you need.
@daveallanbonner1682 how do you know your information is correct? how you know people have not been lying to you?
We had 50 years to solve this problem. The failure to act on climate change isn’t a bug of the capitalist system. It’s a feature. Oilogarchs of the global north prioritised their short term money over the livelihoods of billions. Heartbreaking. I can only hope that people do not fall for the corporate lie that we as individuals are to blame for their actions.
Most people still see less gas-guzzling vehicles as threats to their masculinity. The situation seems hopeless.
@@bchristian85 they only believe that because of corporate propaganda
Did the people stand up and fight? Or did they just calmly let all of this happen. Any person who recognized the danger and didn't risk their own lives fighting a bloody and violent war for the climate is guilty. The people are guilty because they were the only solution to this, and they refused to fight and kill for this change.
You realised that China, a communist country pollutes even more than most capitalistic countries combined right ?
we are idiot, who put on power those oligarcs?
"We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings." - Ursula K Le Guinn
The Godmother of Solarpunk
I feel like capitalism and its effects on planet earth are far stronger than the divine right of kings ever was unfortunately, and that took thousands of years for humanity to overcome.
I have always dislike that quote not only monarchies still exist from spain to Japan but most of them ended by reform of the same monarchies turning themselves into overpaid diplomats without duties or because the nobles turned on them when they were no longer needed due to industrialization changing markets, not because the people had any power to change them.
@@azliaheaven These parasites merely cling to the last vestiges of power. Nobody today believes in the divine right of kings, that we tolerate these hangers on in our republics merely shows how far they have fallen. The monarchies of Europe did not voluntarily reform themselves, they saw very clearly what befell their Romanov cousins.
Whether these revolutions were based on the economic ascent of the capitalist class or peasant revolt makes little difference, the reform or destruction of monarchical power marks the begining of the liberation from all hierarchies. One day we will be free and the unquestionable power of capitalism will be behind us.
The difference is that there is a time window on this
I think it was Terence McKenna who said that, in lieu of radical political alternatives, we are going to amuse and entertain ourselves into extinction. Business as usual is a death sentence for the human race.
Neil Postman also put it like that with his book "Amusing Ourselves To Death" (1985). Even more relevant today than 40 years ago.
Good
the rulers of america created a very pliable culture for all of their dogma and rape.
Bread and circuses and then they charge rent on the bread as the circus burns around us...
Hurry, book your Carnival Cruise today and you can play on plastic island!
I do landscaping, which I used to like because I can't work in a building. However I wish I could work for someone helping to restore ecosystems rather than destroying them. I hate my job now.
Check out Andrew Millison and his stuff on permaculture
I am also a landscaper and I hated raking up mulch that ornamental plants drop and then spraying the bare dirt with herbicide to prevent weeds. It made no sense to me so I quit and started working at a nursery. I made connections with people at that nursery and started doing permaculture landscaping: digging earthworks to improve hydrology, utilizing roof runoff for irrigation, laying drip line, composting at my property/clients', building raised beds, planting and maintaining herbs, veggies, fruiting shrubs, fruit trees, and nut trees, and using ornamental and pioneering support species to provide biomass. I let the weeds take over lawns, and use the clippings in compost. It is an easy sell, even for people who aren't as interested in the environment as me. Traditional landscaping is very expensive for the client and permaculture produces a yield and is cheaper for me to install & maintain since the supply chains are shorter: less fertilizer, optionally less fuel to transport green waste (if they choose to compost), no expensive herbicide applications, maybe fewer labor hours? Fewer materials used in installation like edging and weed fabric. I run a nursery at my house using the skills I gained at the nursery, so that often I use my own stock on client projects. This vertical integration also reduces prices for my clients. You can pursue anything you want as long as you have the tenacity to work hard enough to make it happen! What I do isn't complicated either. A Permaculture Design Course will teach you but I learned for free on RUclips academy.
I feel your pain as an ex builder ripping out beautiful old garden for parking spaces , ripping out gorgeous old Victorian tiled kitchens for chipboard , etc etc etc , for recompense i plant trees where i can .
@@epicosity5588 that's amazing, i love that you're able to convince your clients to make better choices
@@epicosity5588 [Y]our day will come; otherwise, no-one will have future days
I don't think the world is stuck in some sort of limbo as such, but stuck in capitalism and growth. Greed and being told we never have enough.
We are the hungry ghosts.
Late stage capitalism thankfully.....
@happymusicschool-it1qc just like late stage cancer, its killing us. And taking the diversity of life from this beautiful earth with it.
we need to be louder, then. we're all animals. we need to shout at each other out of our collective stupors
@@happymusicschool-it1qc late stage capitalism is a very strange term. It doesn't really make sense to me. Capitalism is, in effect, just the bureaucratic arm of a competitive, growth based system. A system that began with agriculture most likely. Thus it isn't late stage capitalism, it is late stage civilisation. When we say "late stage capitalism", it suggests that we can just switch it out for another system, but that isn't the case. Just like you cannot have green growth, or a green transition. They don't make sense as concepts. If you took capitalism out of the system, you'd still be left with the system.
@ricos1497 it's just a term which is associated with the effects of capitalism and its logical concluding given its motivation...
I say thankfully, coz is closer to breaking itself and falling apart..
Late stage, it's eating itself..
It says nothing about what comes after, it merely describes a point in time
With the election of Trump, I'm getting increasingly fatalistic - only when it affects so many will any action be taken - by then we will be on a conveyor belt to hell...
It doesn't matter. Trump or Harris. One is ruled by corporate billionaires, the other by oligarchic billionaires. Pick your poison.
Then convince everyone you possibly can, through any means or words you can, to *take action.*
Honestly, Trump is a pimple on the arse of this problem. Harris would not have been appreciably better, vis. Starmer v. Sunak. It’s going to take a collapse of the entire capitalist system to really make a dent. In that sense, Trump may actually help. He certainly seems intent on stripping the world economy for parts for his own gain. That’ll end well.
Many Trump supporters have no problem with nuclear energy while denying climate change. Democrats mostly cringe on nuclear while buying into climate change but support solar and wind. In the end the right wing supporting nuclear all the way is less evil than left-wingers blocking nuclear and believing in the fantasy of renewables.
No I did not vote for him. Read a book on energy like say Dr David MacKay "Without The Hot Air", its a free PDF download. It would make you into an energy smarty-pants.
With Trump winning, I have given up even a tiniest of hope that we’ll address climate change within a reasonable time and even when our governments address the problem, it’ll be decades too late. Humanity failed as a species because we couldn’t overcome our own greed and illusion of power and we’ll drag countless other species with us.
As an American, I apologize for our uneducated people
Uneducated people are all over the world esp in Europe, Germans for instance have 2x the CO2 emissions of the French because they replaced all their nuclear with renewables and huge amounts of brown coal to back it up, while France sticks to its 50 year old nuclear to make 80% of their electricity.
Its mostly the people with power who are responsible for the denial, naivity and oblivion of the people
Same here
@@moonk990the uneducated people vote for the politicians that tell them climate change is a hoax. It may ultimately be the people in power, but who _put_ them in power?
@moonk990 right. It isn't ignorance, it's greed.
I got a new phrase. United Health Care the executives.
Deny them victory. Defend the people. Depose the oligarchs.
Bing bing wahoo
Hell yeah
I’ve been thinking a lot about the Foundation books recently. The idea that we know a collapse is coming, that it is inescapable, and that our best efforts should be put towards not preventing collapse, but preserving what we can to ensure that the ensuing dark age is as short as possible. Maybe that’s all that we, in the 21st century, can do. Preserve what species, ecosystems and environments we can do so that the kinder, wiser societies of future centuries can have a fighting chance. We will never live to see a solar punk utopia. We will live our whole lives in humanity’s darkest century, an unprecedented mass extinction and population decrease. It won’t be pretty, we will loose people and species along the way. But we can’t stop fighting for good.
I’ve also been thinking about Lord of the Rings: “I wish none of this had happened” “So do all who see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”
I’ve been watching the show which is no where near the books but the concept of an inescapable collapse has seeded itself in my mind. I just wish I had the resources and wealth to make a “repository” of sorts. A storage of knowledge that would survive the ensuing darkness so we have some pieces to pick up after the fall.
I think its more the lifeboat civilization concept we should advocate for as odds are we lose agriculture before this century is out and for Humanity to survive will need tech like green houses and hydroponics just to feed itself.
@@Jeremy-WC nope! We just need to swap away from monocrop agriculture. Why aren’t we eating acorns? God knows there are plenty of oak trees just dropping acorns everywhere in the US, but almost no one knows how to use leech then grind them to make flour. Wheat is facing serious blight risks, but there are SO many grasses and grains humans HAVE used in the past the we just don’t bother with anymore because it’s not as profitable. As more and more people start to get more involved in sourcing food locally, we will likely see an explosion of cuisines and a resurgence of lots of old, native foods in every corner of the world as we collectively shift away from using only a handful of the foodstuffs around us because those monocrop fields of corn and wheat and rice will start dying and people will start starving. Necessity is the mother of invention, or, in this case, resuscitation.
The time that is given to us is now. (A bit obvious, actually)
@@bellona0544 I don't think trees in North America make it in the long run and think tipping points will push us into a 5C world possibly before 2100. The tech Elon is building for colonizing mars will be needed here for at least 10000 years.
American here: on the upside Trump's policies will make all our bills so expensive we probably will have less emissions...because we won't be able to afford anything.🔥🔥 This is fine 🔥🔥
@@erinrising2799 Thanks for seeing the silver lining! 👍
Under Biden Inflation surged to its highest level in over 40 years, peaking 9.1% June 2022.
@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1
And it dropped back to ~2% by earlier this year as if the Inflation Reduction Act and federal investigations into price fixing did something... 🤔 Whether the president has much affect on overall inflation is certainly debatable, although it's pretty clear that the US president doesn't affect gas prices (see Climate Town for good treatment of this or the Drilled podcast). The CEOs of oil companies on the other hand...
Listen, I'm no fan of the Democrats, but I also don't like whinging about things that they're not responsible for as if the President is god emperor of the world.
@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1 A global pandemic and you didn't think it would affect the US like it did the rest of the World? But Biden got it under control. US inflation rate:- Oct 2018 (Trump) 2.5%, Oct 2024 (Biden) 2.6%. The ignorance of people like you is why we are so worried for the future of mankind.
@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1That was Trump in 2021. Sorry bud. Try again.
Im in the USA and its already hitting my state hard with the natural disasters. The mountains in my state got seriously damaged because of a hurricane (no safe infrastructure for hurricanes were there because that was previously not a problem that far off shore). It’s very sad, especially because of how poor the Appalachian region is.
Another thing- both of our main presidential nominees this year loved fossil fuels and fracking. Obviously trump is horrible but climate change is a huge problem :(
Really sorry to hear that, I hope you are doing okay! Yeah, I heard that Kamala was also still supporting fossil fuels. I always despair about our politics in the UK, but I think yours in the US are even worse lol, with somehow an even stronger two party system!
@ yeah im okay! I live more in the middle of the state so we are good. And yeah US politics suck, im hoping I can move once I finish college here lol
Poor area, but plants grow really well there. Growing food with natural principles can be done for almost no money. Edible Acres is a good channel for learning. Regenerating an unused piece of land would be a good topic for a video that would help attract helpers and funds to reinvest in similar projects.
@@HoboGardenerBen that requires owning land which is virtually impossible for people who aren't born into wealth right now. Things are bad here. I don't think people realize just how bad yet and it just keeps getting worse. Community organization seems to be the only solution at this point but the US has done a very good job of destroying communities for the last few decades
I appreciate my RUclips algorithm giving me videos that have a sense of hope. The thing I find most important in solving any global issues is community: taking care of each other, advocating for the oppressed, and building networks of people. Capitalism has pushed the individualist mindset so hard that it's hard for us to think outside of our own experiences.
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@@ponderosabones7803 collectivizing my own ambition has been something that has taken some work, and I still struggle. I always wanted to do great things, and make peoples’ lives better, and when I died, I wanted to be remembered as the kind of human who cared. I realize now that if those are my goals, I *cannot* be focusing on things like, say, individually writing a decent novel, or working on my own so that I get a footnote in history as an impactful person. Instead, I would rather history forgets me utterly while venerating and celebrating some of the systems that I can be *a small part* of building. My networking skills have already seen a TON of trannies in Philly start skill-sharing as we upskill ourselves on ecology and mutual aid and abolition work. I don’t need to or care to be remembered as the person who “brought them together”, cuz I didn’t really; they brought themselves together. But I got to do my part and help facilitate that change, and I am getting to take care of people that I love, and that collectivized ambition has been huge in forcing me to engage with community even when it’s hard and I just want to be alone.
I feel ya. Recently changed my phones screensaver to say: "Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on." Did that just to remind myself daily of the necessity of continual action towards a better world. They may not be big steps, but I refuse to stop taking them.
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we have the spirit of spite
That's the spirit we should all have
Do any of you guys know how long before petrolium oil ends? Chatgpt says for about 45 years we have oil left.. everything seems so chill and flawing as if nothing is wrong though
@moonk990 don't trust chat gpt, the 45 year date was one that was thrown around that assumed we couldn't just go deeper
At the current pace though it will run out/become so hard to get companion stop, probably by the turn of the century I imagine, don't think much will happen though sice we will have alternatives along with a lot of stored oil, so a rise in prices I guess something a lot of countries seem to straight up want creating massive reserves they don't use
The vast, vast majority of people in World are completley unaware how serious and catastrophic global warming is, even in the wealthiest, most technologically advanced country in the world, America. They don't know, even worse , they don't want to know. We, humanity, are exactly like the lemmings heading off the cliff: even if your in the middle of the pack and you understand whats going on, nothing you can do because all the other lemmings are going in the same direction and you cant turn around or stop. The only questions that remain are how far will global warming go and when will it stop. Their are multiple scenarios, and multiple opinions, and it was inevitable that it has become politicized. I'm glad there is movement being made towards renewables, but I suspect its all "greenwash." I sound like a doomer, and I'm also a hypocrate because I still drive and eat meat and buy stuff. (and I fart too. can't help it) I dont think the Right Wingers and the ignorant masses will ever come around until G W is literally destroying their worlds, but then it will be too late. Personally, I'm moving to the far North of Canada; its ironic, because the MAGA crowd in the U.S. are moving to Florida (where I currently reside) because its "Red State," a redneck, conservative state. Its ironic because FLA will be one of the hardest places hit when G.W. really kicks in. Its already a huge swamp, and most of it will be underwater.
The north of Canada is experiencing the effects of rapid global warming perhaps more than anywhere else. The melting of the permafrost is creating a whole host of problems.
Lemmings don't actually run off cliffs, that was just a bit of animal cruelty on behalf of Disney
It's even crazier when you consider how rich/powerful people are buying up land along the coast and demolishing miles of mangroves. I grew up along the coast in Florida and it's insane watching people rip up the only natural protection against storm surge and flooding caused by dangerous hurricanes.
I already left the madness and fled for high ground in the mountains. I refuse to lose everything because idiots refuse to face the music and deal with the consequences of their actions/inaction.
And there you go, Renewables need 1000x time the land use of nuclear, if it hurts you to say nuclear, you are driving the world towards hell. Germany is king of renewables and brown coal, while France is king of nuclear, Germany have 2x the CO2 emissions of France. See Without The Hot Air for a free PDf book on energy, you are using about 100x the energy you think you are using. Its about 300GJ a year of primary energy, see Wikipedia Per Capita Energy Use.
@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist You may have just seriously increased your true carbon footprint by needing a large 4by4 truck to haul your groceries up the mountain. If you moved to NY city and used public transport, then you would have much lowered your footprint.
We lost since the last century when our leaders collectively decided they wouldn't give a rat's a$$ about it.
Thatcher and Reagan really fucked us all over didn’t they.
Renewables are too effective. All trump is going to do is destroy America
kinda sucks to have been born at the tail-end of fuck around century
only to spend the rest of my life-span in the find out century
I didn't even get to fuck
and I'm going to find
😔
Rumor has it they already set up numerous safe houses ready for the fallout.
I agree about community but I think we need to create an enormous world wide community that will force political action. We need ordinary people everywhere to work together for a better future that does not have a climate apocalypse
This is what 'they' put together (Creative Society and Allatra)
Elizaveta Khromova team mathematical model prediction
Good in Action channel
22 November 2022 video
'our survival is in unity'
Communists every time
Unfortunately, I'm solidly in the doomer camp. We are farther away from a climate change consensus and a meaningful action plan than we were 2 decades ago. Although I still try, I don't have any real hope. My biggest concern now is the horrific loss and destruction of biodiversity and the natural world.
I get it. I often feel like that, too. But I feel like we can't lose hope. If we don't have hope, what do we have left?
There is gonna be lots of blood ultimately, but neither the global state system nor the global system of capitalism are omnipotent. As the crisis worsens and people start starving from things like wheat blights and droughts which destroy massive amounts of (monocrop) agricultural products, eventually people will start fighting back. Bezos doesn’t have enough guns to keep us from getting to the food all around us.
Starting to look into your own local ecology and figuring out food sources that can be reliably scavenged/hunted is going to be a part of it. People who open their homes to climate refugees will be a part of it. And that *is* starting to happen. I’m seeing it everywhere I look in my city.
It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. But-as we learned during today’s assassination of the United Healthcare CEO-these greedy fucks who think they can have everything while giving the world nothing in return aren’t actually any stronger than the rest of us. Constructs fall when people are starving, and when money loses meaning because you can’t actually eat it or take shelter in it, the very institutions that keep us chained will fall as well.
@@solarpunkalanaReality?? 🙂 BTW, hope = wishful thinking. The base cause of biosphere collapse is life itself. Willing to discuss.
@@alexjackson9997 Base cause of biosphere collapse is life itself? Care to explain
@@saskwatch123 it is gonna be messy. I’m so sorry you are feeling that sense of doom, and I absolutely see how and why you feel that way when it seems like everyone with a voice is just the greediest human imaginable. I do not want to invalidate your feelings, because things are genuinely going to be messy. If I may, I want to echo Alana’s sentiment and provide a slightly different framing to hopefully provide an alternative to doom.
Hope isn’t something that naive optimists cling to as a distraction from their pain. Hope is an inoculant against despair. Hope is a tool to sharpen resolve and clarity and provide a collective vision of what could be so that we can start making it.
I don’t have hope that we escape this without a LOT of pain. Lots of people are going to die, and the biodiversity loss will be felt for millennia. BUT. Eventually-as the humans are dying en masse and the capitalist systems tied to fossil fuels collapse without their servile consumer base-the oil will stop flowing because it will *have* to. And when that happens? When there are billions of pissed off people who have had everything taken from them by a handful of assholes who set up systems that let themselves stay in power? The capitalists will have no avenue to regain power.
They will have their enclaves. Bezos and Musk will live out the rest of their lives in their underground bunkers in Hawaii and New Zealand, stocked with food til they die. But when there are several million people above ground who seal in those bunkers and destroy any means the leeches have of communicating with us, then they will be utterly powerless to stop the wave of raw humanity that is revolution.
Start developing your revolutionary imagination. Start looking into means of using your own full biome to start getting your resource needs met, or researching sustainable building so you can help house the next generation while others tend to food, or learning about conflict resolution and mediation while others worry about food and housing. Hell, start organizing how to fight if you want (although please don’t try to recreate a Mad Max-style apocalypse of greed-channel that fighting to those who are attacking, and never be the first to initiate violence).
There is SO MUCH we can all start doing *right now* to start preparing for what we know is coming. Start talking to people about communal living. Start reading near-future socialist sci fi. Start getting involved in community gardening and learning how to set up permaculture systems on public or private lands where people will allow you.
We will get through this, just like we got through ice ages for hundreds of thousands of years. The only way through, though, is together. Let your community fill your cup with hope, and wield that like the nuclear bomb of a weapon that hope is.
Sending love.
I'm sorry, Alana, but we are ALREADY past the point of no return. The thermohaline cycle is already being altered, the arctic icecaps are melting away year by year, permafrost is thawing, more and more Brazilian rain forest has been cleared for grazing and to grow soybeans for China as a replacement for the exports from the US that were interrupted by Trump's LAST trade war, and the Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica is being undermined by seawater to the point where it is gradually destabilizing and will eventually separate an ice island the size of a state.
Yeah… so we need to focus on mitigation, through building a new solarpunk, anarchist, horizontally organised society
@@solarpunkalana In the coming years here in the US, we're primarily going to be concerned with staying alive as prices skyrocket, imported goods become less available, and healthcare insurance for many is reduced or eliminated. In the coming New American Order, we'll work and be productive members of society until ... the day we can't, and then we'll be expected to hurry up and die off so as not to be a burden.
The thing is you can always go worse, so why stop trying to stop things getting worse
I'm on the side that pessimism is better for change than optimism. Yeah, things are already fkd, that's why we have to work twice as hard to soften the impact.
That is one strategy that works in nature. We are wired to think we have less food reserve than we actually have, so we gather some extra than needed.
Yeah, the ice is melting and will create a feedback loop of rapid warming, but we can start working now to reduce greenhouse gasses and maybe help it go back to normal a decade or two earlier than it would naturally do.
@@solarpunkalana Right, when you open up that anarchist utopia let us know. Otherwise this is a whole lot of armchair BS
The ignored elephant in the room…. ⚠️
If we really want to address the problem of climate change we have to look at all angles.
We are being told our production of CO2 is the main culprit but there is an elephant in the room that is not being spoken about.
The vast majority of forest have been decimated for crop fields to feed cattle at a poor return of protein. 16 pounds of grain return a poultry 1 pound of meat.
This means if we switch to a plant-based choices, we can easily Reforest and absorb CO2 from the atmosphere.
I think being a vegan will give us better weather, I am really smart
That's irrelevant until women start rejecting carnivorous men.
@@kmoses582 We are literally going extinct from eating meat and ordering on Amazon. He's right.
@@thierryranger2230 I you eat meat you can't reproduce
@@kmoses582 Bro i totally side with this but that end just r\iamreallysmart territory
11:40 I'm all for community vegetable gardens -But we'd all basically have to go full Amish to replace the existing infrastructure and if it's too big of an ask to tell that office worker (from the earlier example) not to go on that beach holiday -Asking him to become a farmer doesn't seem like any less of an ask. He probably doesn't even own any land to share. I'm not entirely convinced most people even want 'community' with their neighbours (although I might be projecting my own preferences here).
Anyways, it's not like I have a better idea. This was all ment with respect.
We’ve already passed the tipping point. Now, the aptly named “accelerationists” are 6 weeks from being IN CHARGE. So, the COP project is dead. And so are we. Enjoy the ride!
Yeah, its pretty much a game of "when will the AMOC collapse" now...
Well not the ride, but the quiet as kinda that lasts, is what's I'm going to enjoy
Difference is anything done matters, if your community starts a community forest that helps your local environment. Sadly this isn't the kind of crisis in which you can throw the towel once you've lost because there is always something you can do
@@kated3165even if the AMOC collapses, which it will likely just slow down affecting climate greatly in different parts of the world, that is far from being the emd of the world, you will probably still be alive, so take action, promote community forests oppose fossil fuel projects and inform people, if only game overs actually existed in this kind of problems, things would be so easy, but 2° is less than 3° qnd 3° is less than 4° and every one of those differences is a great change in quality and loss of life
@@Solstice261 Unless local ordnance prevents said forest. Or if that forest gets bulldozed and developed in ten years time. Or the forest cannot grow because native flora now die in the new climatic state. There's actually very little for an individual or small community.
Change will have to come from direct action. Governments and private industry cannot be trusted to deliver it.
Good luck organizing that many people though.
@ If people can be organised to do things the way we do them now, they can be organised to do things the way they should be done.
"Have We Finally Lost to Climate Change?" When did the fighting start?
I am not disparaging the enormous efforts of all trying to understand and stop it, just pointing out that the vast majority of the world's wealth and power has been spent making sure no realistic action could be taken. The way I see it is that while profit drives our economy, as in capitalism, we don't have a chance to fight climate change. The irony being that climate change will eventually force the downfall of capitalism.
Well if it makes you feel ANY better, the world as a whole will (probably) be fine. It’s just the majority of species, as well as humanity, that’s basically fucked.
Unfortunately, the existing status quo is too valuable to the greedy rich to be torn down earlier than it needs to be. Not my opinion, but my observation. The only chance of rebuilding this supertanker is after it has crashed, not before... Won't be long now. Nice, thoughtful, compassionate presentation though, thanks Alana.
Be careful accepting any "solutions" from the same people causing the "problems"....
How bad can we be?...
Bad is a understatement, we're beyond bad, there's not a single word to describe us.
More like biggering
@official_mosfet exactly!
Yes our specie is bad, but what we can do is try to make it better and thats what make it good, sometimes
spoiler alert.
It's capitalism, it's always capitalism
That's a funny joke.
So then how do you explain the absolutely abysmal environmental conditions that have existed in countries that were actually supposed to be communist?
@@eeyorehaferbock7870 industrializing is always horrible for the environment, but once you get there you can work on mitigation. The more capitalist (privatized), the less they tend to actually mitigate that. China may be worse than the US in total emissions, but they're a much bigger country. If you look per capita, they're doing amazingly compared to the US.
No. Its greed and unchecked growth. A cancer
@@eeyorehaferbock7870 No country was supposed to be communist, you're talking socialism, also don't try comparing here. The fact that others country had carbon emission does not take away capitalisms faults specially because these countries are not anymore socialist so only capistilism is doing this, so that's why he boarded about capitalism, PS: Ik there SOME countries who're still socialist, it's just that capitalism now more than ever is the one responsible
You summed things up. The changes we need are slowly happening. I use scooter and bus. Grow a garden. Hardly buy anything. We need to come together more, but the existing system doesn’t allow this.
We have made a step back but the fight is not lost. Hope dies last.
You have endless time?
"Til 2030 we have to see a serious decrease in ghg-emissions - or we touch tipping elements in a row. One of those has the power to end civilization"
Many, many ppl in the world live 'without hope' every day. Haitians for instance. I think the West may learn.... ..or lay down.
We are direly running out of time unfortunately...
Better get that coffin ready.
algae is the future of life on Earth, one way or another. Sir David King and Raffael Jovine, etc. point out that algae can sequester 100 gigatons per year. Oil and coal originate from algae. We can embrace the algae or the algae will take over anyway.
There is no end point for this though, where we are going is bad but we can make it better or let it be worse, choose@@kated3165
The climate situation is escalating so quickly, it's terrifying. I love the solarpunk vision but I suspect we will have to make it through the climate/cyberpunk/AI/WW3 apocalypse first, and then only if there is anyone left. It's really hard to share your optimism.
Might mean we will fall back into Neolitic times
Thank you for the hopeful message and nice video! Looking forward to learning about what you've been working on!
Thank you! Excited to share :)
This is why we have to change things right now before it's too late because time is running out, and when we do decide to fix it later, it would already be too late and the environment will never recover from it in short timespan.
We? Idk about you but I don't have anywhere near enough power to change international policies. Hell, I don't even have enough resources to do things in my community.
@@drendenoxendine3491 That's why you ask around in your community so you can form it together. No man's an island.
We lost 30years ago if the goal was no climate change.
We lost 20years ago for the + 1.5.
We lost 10years ago for the +2°C.
We are currently losing for the +4°c.
But since no one reads the science (probably less than 1% of the pop bother reading publications or even the ipcc short resume), we will keep losing.
They don't care about the increase because "it's too little"
@@official_mosfet Too little? supposedly London and NY were going to be 15 meters underwater by 2002... see what the climate "scientists" predicted in the 1990's...
@@official_mosfet Which it is, 0,9c from 5,9 to 6,8c in the average annual temperature over here in Sweden, wow what a increase 😚😂
@@albin4323 You're in sweden, even too you act like a jack as s, i thought there were just nice people there!
Also, what will you do when these 0,9c turn into 6c? It can be slow but it will happen...
But something can be done. A certain green plumber is a recent example.
Hi Alana! Been watching your channel for awhile, and although I love your videos overall, I think you missed the mark on this one. I've been thinking of emailing you recently, to send you some articles and studies, in addition to a proposal of action. But making an introduction to my point publicly might help more people. Unfortunately, there's no 'winning' the war against climate change.
We're already at 1.5°C degrees. 2024 is the hottest year in the last 100~130 thousand years. Instead of lowering, nations worldwide are increasing their carbon footprint. In the current rate (anthropic regime, where humanity is the main emitter of greenhouse gases), already in 2030 we'll have emitted enough to make us reach 3°C. But the thing is: the climate models we have today _do not_ account for tipping points. Of course they don't. Cause it's fuckin hard. Modeling reality, specially in climate science, is absurdly complex. Those tipping points can start a cascade effect, that we scientists cannot begin to fathom the effect it'll have on our lives and the ecosystem. +
In 2023, the temperature has risen way above what the models predicted. Climate scientists all over the world are still trying to identify what caused this. It could be one of the many tipping points that could go off at this range of 1,5° degrees, or it could be that some, or many, of the buffer capacity systems reached their limit and stopped acting. We do not know.
The scenarios that the IPCC stated for 1,5°C ~ 3°C are terrifying. But we are headed towards a much bigger increase. We here at the global south will be the first big victims, but it won't take long to affect the global north as well. We _cannot_ even begin to describe the amount of destruction that's to come. Some (by some I mean a lot) predictions estimate human death rates at the range of billions. And yes, when shit happens we do tend to come together and work as communities, you can see that in the recent disasters all over the world. But governments don't. And they are the ones with the power. The _disaster capitalism_ is generating profit for many people. Here in Brazil, when the disaster of the floods happened at our south region, governors and mayors took the opportunity to make multimillionaire deals with private reconstruction companies from Europe. +
But ok, enough talking about the apocalypse. Let's suppose we're less fucked. Let's suppose we suddenly stop at 1.5°C for whatever reason (we won't). Then we're still fucked as fuck. We are organized in an extremely _fragile_ way. Our cities suck, specially here. We depend on stuff that comes from the other side of the world. Shit doesn't need to happen exactly where we are to affect us. We are extremely _dependent_. Do I even need to talk about what will happen regarding the rise of the far right? The fake news and fake studies that are promoted by the news and are made by A.I.? The food and water crisis? The looming threat of the lithium wars that are to happen at the global south? +
So, my criticisms are, in a nutshell:
1) Positivity has no room in this discussion. None. Because it doesn't promote action. We're in a dire situation. Do we need hope? Yes, hope that with a lot of effort, coordination, study and mutualism, we can build a resilience focused community. A pseudo solarpunk community, at best. Because governments and money won't cease to exist that fast, so will have to coexist with it. An anarchist revolution is made little by little, that's why I believe in it. It functions in a way that it doesn't need direct conflict as the _main_ way of overcoming the bourgeois dictatorship. But it takes a long, long time. And time we do not have. We need to act _now_ if we want to have the least chance of protecting the ones we love, and possibly making a life that's worth living.
2) And please, avoid using titles like this one. 'Did we lost the war on climate change?'. Yes, we did. It's a fact that many will suffer and our life will change in ways we can't predict. So don't sugarcoat it. We must learn to _stay with the problem_. The first thing we need to do to deal with it is accept that it is coming. We mustn't keep living our lives normally like nothing is happening. We need to prepare.+
I really admire your work and I hope I didn't sound mean or smth, it wasn't the intention. I'm a physics researcher and educator, been working with nuclear reactors for some years. And, I hope it's not like that in the UK, but wow, academia truly is broken here (I'm pretty sure in most countries too). The amount of absurdities I hear everyday from scientists with the highest prestige and degrees is abominable. This year I managed to talk with some climate reaserches and, yeah, there are two kinds basically: the ones that believe that degrowth it the only solution and the ones that believe that carbon taxing will magically solve everything. Both sides end up taking no action. Most scientists been saying for decades that we're dooming ourselves but aren't being listened, so they gave up. But I don't want to.
I've been talking for years with many people, from different backgrounds, giving seminars, writing stuff, but, oh boy, isn't it hard to promote action? This is so frustrating, I'm really burnt out, overload with things, and I've got basically no one that can help me. I've tried joining leftist groups but they aren't focused on what's important and still have this hierarchy bullshit. Now I recurring to people of other cities, states and countries. You're one of them. +
My intention is to interact with, share and exchange information with people that have more influence than me, so that we, together, may propose solutions for the many problems that are to come. And yes. One word? Permaculture. But how? Where? With what means? With who? Dunno. Let's find out.
We lost years ago. Folks are just finally waking up to it.
Decades
I WISH folks were waking up. So many climate activists and climate scientists are STILL having kids.
I try to not sound like a doomer, but I accepted that I was born onto planet that my species is actively killing just so a handful of them can have a higher imaginary number that will not matter in the long run. And my parents wonder why I’m not having any children.
Are they.
All i see around me are people blissfully still asleep. They put sound cancelling headsets to make sure no alarm would disturb their American dream...
Then rip the headsets off, @@etienne8110
We are drifting away from solarpunk world...
We need the Punk part now more than ever.
Punk rages for the machine now.
Yea I'm ready to start breaking shit
I'm not nearly as doomer-ish about the climate as others are. We already have tech that can reverse aspects of climate change, removing CO2 from the atmosphere for example, we just need to use them on a global scale. It will not only become easier to do this over time, with that tech eventually becoming cheaper, but we'll also develop new tech that will be more efficient, and do more than just carbon capture.
We can all be Luigi
commenting and sharing so this video gets more exposure :) great video Alana, I hope this gets more people informed about the solarpunk movement!
Thank you! 💚
We lost the battle 24 years ago. Hope you all are ready to fight the water wars in the 2030s.
The global south will be fighting over water while the global north sells them desalination machines.
@@MK_ULTRA420If the north survives whatever happens to them
@@MK_ULTRA420 yes yes, London, NY and Miami will be underwater by 2015...
Glad to hear someone who understands what is happening, I was resigned to the end of human civilisation within 5 to 10 years, but as you say, if enough people can break out of the system it could be possible to save some people at least. Good luck with your efforts, time is short. I pity the rest of life on earth more than humans really though.
I appreciate being given SOME ideas to look further into as possibilities for progress/change. Various things may work for some communities or individuals that may not work for others, so I'll give a try at seeing what I can try to implement in my own locale.
I realize that generally speaking, hope can exist in the present due to the potential for a hoped future thing to take place, and so hope (generally) could persist regardless of the state of the present moment. Considering most things point towards the climate issues getting worse instead of better, my frame of mind gets frequently shifted towards what options might there be further along this path to climate doom (and particularly what options could be meaningfully prepared for that'd help present AND future prospects).
For the moment, that method of approach gives me more practical and accessible hope than doing what I've been doing (which mostly have felt like low-odds gambling on a game where winning wasn't even a process built into the system).
These videos (regardless of their particular use to me) renew my hope slightly and remind me to spend a little time on this area of things, despite all of the numerous other avenues pressingly beckoning for attention and progress. These reminding videos offering new ideas have been effective at keeping me making progress towards climate change, and for that I thank you.
One of your thoughts that really stuck out to me was the conscious and careful replanting of native plant species.
the comunity part is true, but a big problem is location. i've seen some offgrid villages thrive, but they had to buy land as a "non profit company" in order to even start.
this has 3 problems: 1) the space for it isn't always available, 2) it's not scalable if lots of people actually start the transition, 3) laws will be formed to stop the grouping if it starts impacting big companies.
as much as the idea of migrating to a rural area using only green energy is attractive, our main goal should be to convert the cities we already live in. comunities living green are essential to let people see what is possible, but not the end goal
Why does it have to be rural? Why does it have to be scalable?
Thank you for all of the hard work you do. I can’t help but think of how carbon pollution actually makes us less intelligent as a species. It makes me wonder what we would be doing in a world not corrupted by carbon materials like CO2 and CH4. Would we actually solve the polycrisis, as opposed to warring with one another over meaningless human constructs?
Thank you for watching!
I appreciate your theory of change and sympathize with you about our Borked progress so far. I've worked professionally at Climate Crisis advocacy in San Diego and even here transition can seem hopeless.
One of the best theories that I read along my journey through climate literacy had this to say, and it's kept me engaged when logic should have told me we've lost: Humans are incredibly resilient and we've proven in many circumstances that when society feels threat against our survival, we band together like ants and truly meet the call. WW2 is the flawed analogy (because mass killing) and it serves as proof that the world can and will combine efforts and seemingly drop everything to win the battle for our future. It's the only proof we need that we will band together globally and shift our entire lives, because we've done it before, twice. So what's the deal, why hasn't this happened yet? Our challenge, as this theory put it, is not to get the societal changes we need as that is inevitable as Climate Crisis become more impossible to deny or delay against action. Our challenge, as those who understand this threat and it's magnitude earlier than others, is to accelerate the timing of when we will inevitably act. Our race against time and tipping points includes providing a rudimentary feedback loop which will be paramount in succeeding at rapid decarbonizatiin. We won't have time to try everything, fail at the seemingly easy, but woefully inadequate solutions (luxury EVs patterned as direct replacements for one of our world's biggest offenders) so we must become the early solution refinement corp, exposing false solutions and being the early voices conditioning the masses to the magnitude of change we'll need. Veiwed this way, our struggle is one of changing minds quickly and more intelligently, using compassion, common sense, and in a distant third data and the science that bears it out. Overcoming capitalism will be the hardest, IMO, but if you doubt that will ever happen, consider that we, as progressive people had rarely publicly discussed that as a necessity until recent years. That we challenge the seriousness of change needed is and will continue to be our pathway to dramatic solutions when we arrive at the global tipping point ofcworldwide climate action.
I am seriously facing a existential crisis about this crap, I heard somebody say that humanity got us into this mess, and advancements in technology and science will get us out of it. I just walked away
Bad part. Humanity is doomed (tbh unknown if thats a bad thing). Good part. Neither you nor me will live to see it happen so it dosent matter. Enjoy life
Hey look on the bright side, if were lucky we will live to see the end of humanity@@iliahgranovsky3400
there’s nothing to be done except KAB
Until the oceans boil we still have a fighting chance. Never loose hope, Kameraden.
With the disappointment of COP and the USA election, and having blown right through 1.5, it's easier than ever to say fuck it and retreat into your own bubble, to stop caring, but hearing you speak truth to power like this is invigorating and SO necessary to keep up.
I'm 'only' 34 so we may be roughly the same generation, but I always remind myself of those younger than me. The teenagers who despite having been born into a world in crisis, are still hopeful, still on fire, not crumpling up in apathy despite the callousness with which their future's are treated by those in power. If they can keep up the fight, then we millenials and older have zero excuse. We might wink out before the worst of it, but they won't. The young people need us to stay mad at the powerful, and stay kind to our neighbors.
Let's all be beacons of light wherever we are, because the world is going to need it.
No matter how bad everything gets, you don’t stop fighting for change. Temperatures should never have gotten to the point +1.5° became inevitable, but it’s happening. Does that mean we throw in the towel? No. Because +2° WILL be worse. And if it hits 2°? We fight to never have it become +3°.
We only lose when we as a collective become so apathetic in the face of possible change we give up. “Let them drill for oil” we say, “Everything’s already bad. What’s another poisoned river and destroyed ecosystem?” No, We won’t give in to the narrative the people so blinded by money and power are trying to sell us. We don’t have that luxury. We simply cannot. Because then, and only then, have we truly lost.
I like your optimism, but we're focked. It will run its course, and millions will die. Have a nice day.
True.
Millions? More like billions. Then the oceans will boil off after 1000 years.
Weak
Billions
"I like your optimism now let me do my best to destroy it."
Renewable/sustainable energy is now beating fossil-fuel energy on price and will only become cheaper. Gravity wins! Sustainability WINS!
Does that take into account storage? It is very expensive to store electricity.
But it's not profitable so it will never be wide spread enough, because the ultra rich will not allow it to happen because it is their financial backbone
halfway through, i got an ad for an antarctica cruise lol
Good summary of the state of affairs. Is it really surprising though that politicians in democracies do what they do? They know that the majority of their voters would NEVER agree to a reduction in consumption because that means a ‘standard of living’ reduction. They’d be voted out in a flash. Even dictators have to retain the support of enough greedy individuals and avoid popular uprisings.
Im in the "i cant say what i think needs to happen in a public and open forum" camp.
"Is there a good reason we've waited this long?" -Andreas Malm
"without hierarchy or profit generation" this phrase perfectly encapsulates why solarpunk will never amount to anything more than well-intentioned bourgeois daydreaming
Absolutely. We need to move on and focus on adapting ourselves to an inhospitable world.
I get my science from CNN
Most people don't have the motivation to gather together yet. Too many sources of fast dopamine keeping us hooked to degenerative daily rhythms. So my hopes are centered around collapse. If the stores stop being reliably full and the grid utilities become unreliable then people will need to come together to thrive. Right now the machine keeps us dependant by providing for our needs and through various addictions and shared ideas. It'd be chaotic, but the best thing that could ever happen would be for the power to go out, water tap stops working, no internet, stores empty.
A lot of people are much better prepared because of the shutdown, so many will try to help their neighbors. Some will retreat in fear and try to hurt all intruders, but many will come together.
Community is an approach to survival. We make communities because we needed to do that to survive. Survival pressure would renew the strength of community because it's the lack of survival pressure that has been weakening it in the first place.
Utopia isn't a good goal, we need strife. Endless peace is the same thing as stagnation, we need some level of suffering for a rich life. I'm not aiming for utopia, but we can certainly do better than this.
Utopia is impossible because stagnancy simply doesn’t exist for long. The universe changes constantly. There are literally two things we can meaningfully claim to know:
1. Is is
2. Is changes
This period in human history is atypical. A worldwide system of domination, hierarchy, slavery, colonization, and greed has never existed before. Humans are capable of all kinds of things but the most critical is our capability to choose, and capitalists have waged a multi-century-long war on revolutionary imagination to keep us from imaging what *could* be.
You are right. Things are going to get a lot worse first. There will be collapse. Lots of it. And in that collapse, all of the power structures that have ruled us will suddenly be utterly powerless to keep the neoliberal agenda going.
And we *will* care for each other. It’s gonna be messy, but that is what humans do. I’m buying a house to have a spare bed for people and to plant a multicrop ecosystem that is open to the public so people can come pick the plants grown sustainably. I am one small person, and I still see the path forward that puts human kindness and care at the forefront of the species once more. I don’t know the exact path, but I don’t need to. I just need to see the rough shape to start carving my own trail forward, and I am doing so with the people I love, and that love me, and we *will* build something that meets *all* of our needs together.
@bellona0544 Ya dude, tingles, you get it. I used to want to get land to retreat from the world and provide for myself. Now I want land to grow food to gice to others so they might be changed by the flavor and become gardeners. I'll host work exchangers to come help with the harvest and learn in exchange for camping and food. I'm cool with selling crafts made from natural materials from the land, like birch bark baskets, and transplants for valuable perennials. But the capitalism mind-virus will not control my interaction with that land. That place and myself are to be like an amaranth seed, tiny and strong, able to produce many other seeds. I'll probably make a free youtube channel about it too, help add to the available wealth of information here on natural gardening. I learned sooooo much from Sean of Edible Acres over the years mixed with thousands of hours of dirt time and experimentation, all on other people's land. Now I'm ready, I know plenty, and I'm dedicated to this general notion of growing gardeners. I want my patch for my personal survival too, but I know I can't do it alone, nor do I want to, I need other people and they need me. It's not utopia, but it is good enough. We can achieve little temporary bubbles of good enough in the madness, that is my goal :)
@@bellona0544 Couple of toxic ideologies stand in the way of that, beyond politics.
I'm too busy trying to survive. No offense, but some of us work to live. If your argument is we need to suffer even more, need to work even more, then I'm not behind it. I barely get by as is, I don't need an armchair economist telling me I don't deserve the few things I have.
@drendenoxendine3491 You just described what is keeping you down, the norms of this society, the grind. Living paycheck to paycheck for overpriced basic necessities like shelter and food and medicine.
Economics professor Ashley has very interesting symbol for the collective set of game theory incentives within the current economic structure that are making things suck and heading towards suck more, the GDP dragon.
Please don't judge her channel off of my worldview, she isn't cynical like me. Her video on the anatomy of GDP dragon is a really good place to start to understand what is making your life the way it is, it's complicated, still way beyond me, working on it.
She has a different solution than me, a concept she calls atomic collaboration, but you should watch her video on it, I'd butcher the concepts. The idea has merit but I don't see how it will get started. Wouldn't mind being surprised.
Without capitalism and innovation, "Solarpunk" and most green tech we have today would not exist. The current impact we have on the environment is still catastrophic, but it's one of the better timelines. Ecological collapse is not some evil ploy by capitalists who want to burn the environment, it's an inevitable consequence of our massive industrialized human population.
Many people don't like hearing this, but the reason why we keep damaging the environment through industry is that people want to lead good lives and companies respond to the demand. Some idealize the ancient hunter gatherer societies or whatever, but the best quality of life humans can achieve was brought forth by liberal capitalism. The only things we can do now is try to mitigate the damage and use our resources efficiently, which non-capitalist systems are incapable of.
Also there's no excuse for not eating plant-based diets, it's not some sort of privileged lifestyle, just buy corn, tofu and beans for god's sake.
Screaming the quiet part out loud, THE SOLUTION IS ANARCHY
The system is rigged against us, and telling governments 'pwetty pwease?' on eco-solutions isn't going to cut it with lobbyists under their desk. Either we "fight" or we _fight_ ;Anarchy is the only solution in this international casino of Capitalism.
Thanks for this. I've been grieving the last month of so since the election here in the US as things look quite dire. As you said, much of mainstream climate conversation has focused on the state vs individual false dichotomy and ignored the power of community.
If you haven't run across it, the Frontiers of Commoning podcast has a lot of interesting ideas about restoring the commons.
I've been thinking a lot about how to build mechanisms to wrest control of infrastructure from corporations and turn them into worker or hybrid model coops as the "infrastructure as a form of resistance" descriptor of solarpunk really resonates with my engineer soul.
Anyway, thanks for the pick-me-up to get back into the fight!
If, if, if, if, if, if...
It’s been game over for decades just waiting to hit the bottom
wait what- pausing at 0:25
I have known - for a very, very long time that most of humanity (Being over 50%) most cirtainly do not really care about our path towards mutual distruction?
They may say they care, they may even say its one of the most important things to them, but I truely believe you can tell what some really cares about by what they put their time and energy into and im telling you right now, most of humanity, doesnt really care about climate change and never did
I think you have good intentions here, but the thing why solarpunk movement is just another utopia is the fact that everything that's too collectivist, focuses on community rather than rights of an individual ends up being forced to anyone who wants to be different. That's tyrrany at the end. It may seem good on paper, but we are not robots or ants. Each of us have various goals and are different in what we want. I agree though, that climate change has to be taken much much more seriously with some more radical regulations and more green tech innovation. Look at plastic pollution for example, it's horrible. But we should find a way to tackle this without abolishing freedom of individual. I think capitalism along with strict enviro regulations can do that, if the demand for real green sustainable solutions is high enough. So theoretically, if many people are truly persuaded they really want greener energy and are willing to invest in it, the market will eventually solve this. If not, then strict regulations.
I am not saying that ultra individualism will solve this alone, or that collectivism is totally unimportant, but there needs to be balance.
I truly wish it worked like that...
Yes it's over, emissions won't decrease enough to prevent 3.5°C, 430ppm of Co2 will be reached next year
We're already at 430ppm, just not on the "average", yet.
@jaykanta4326 no, there hasn't been a single day above 430ppm yet, and we are currently around 425ppm (I'm going off of Mauna Loa data)
No, it's not over yet. It just needs to get a bit worse before people get serious about it. 3°C should do it.
According to estimates in 2021, we would now only have 7 years to fix everything. And that's ignoring the fact that we've been seeing things go bad faster than expected. We don't have time to build communities and pressure government into action. We'd have to move NOW and replace them. Nothing short of extreme radical change will be enough at this point.
The answer you're looking for in fewer people being born. Fewer people consuming resources until it is sustainable.
Fewer people being used as cheap labor to fuel the rich. ...
Population size matters but it is industrialized societies vs. simpler agrarian societies that makes the biggest difference: Roughly 80% of the climate crisis and broader ecological destruction was caused by the richest 20% of nations and people. It is modern civilization that is the problem.
Really looking forward to hearing what that project of yours is going to be. Sounds great ❣️
I've been thinking about this allot. And I do think that there will be a moment, perhaps soon, where all discussion will cease, and big changes start happening.
I think we have to wait until deep pockets can't outspent damages related to climate change. Whether it be storms, Food shortages, the AMOC collapsing, or anything and everything terrible all at once. When big money starts taking big hits, they'll finally do something about it, but it'll probably already be too late at that point. You can't reverse the irreversible.
I'm no scientist of course, and I can be quite pessimistic at times. But this is my outlook at the moment.
Alana the reason they’re not listening to you about the climate crisis is quite simple!
The modern advanced technical civilisation has grown only because of cheap energy sources. These energy sources are all in the main carbon based fossilised fuel sources. Without the discovery of them we’d be still living in completely different social world.
Industrialisation wouldn’t have been possible without cheap energy of fossilised fuel sources.
The paradox is we haven’t been able to find alternative sources of cheap energy to replace fossil fuels industry. The petro countries of the world are doing everything in their power to block climate mitigation. That’s why each COP meeting is a complete farce!
We have no carbon capture projects in place, wind and solar are still poor substitutes for fossil energy sources. Nuclear power is very expensive way of producing energy. Especially with decommissioning costs.
Politicians don’t have the answer to this massive dilemma we have. What’s slowly unfolding is going to be catastrophic unfortunately! Atmospheric carbon dioxide is not going down today’s NASA reading is 422ppm October 2024. It will soon be 500ppm! No it’s certainly not going down!
The “great” thing about being rich and powerful is that people can scream and cry about you being evil all they want. They won’t do anything but talk and you have all the power to do whatever you want. After all, the only thing people can do to you is talk at you, and talking can be ignored.
Sadly so, rich people do not need societies approval, or care, they live in a luxurious utopia surrounded by beauty and people who serve them and kiss their asses, they do whatever their heart desires, buy whatever they fancy and go wherever they please with 1st class ease.
Or we take the Luigi route
Thank you for this contribution - so much clearer and saner than so much else that I’ve seen
no mention of animal concentration camps and their waste/pollution ?
Probably will do a future video all about agriculture… it’s a massive topic after all
@@solarpunkalana
EXACTLY. it's super critical. who talks reminds and educates others on this issues if not youtubers like yourself. mainstream media (of ranchers (literally 'mafia'))? they won't touch this issue seriously (except downplaying and ridiculing and tactics of herrings and misinformation and false reassurance that "this is ok" and "this is fine", like real life don't look up)
at least the environmental impacts aspects. even if ethical side won't be discussed (which it should be since it's real life horrors and abuse of power).
"stand up for what is right even if you stand alone" ..except you're not alone on this road besides vegans/abolitionists ..there's others too.
most reliable informations are on these websites like "eating our way to extinction" documentary(just environment) or channels like bitesizevegan(environment/ethics) or micthevegan(environment/ethics) or moby(yes, the musician environment/ethics he has podcasts interviews etc) or jamielogan vegangaze(just ethics mostly) or garyfrancione(ethics) or etc. dominion 2018 for just ethics(logical behaviours or mentality).
Anyone who is denying climate change at this point needs to go outside lol (literally)
We need to become minimalists. Yes, quit buying anything but necessary.
I love making my lightbulbs burn out faster than needed 😂
NEVER!
@@katiepelland-mcdonald2787 solving climate change is not worth it if that’s what it takes to solve it. Who cares if there’s no more snow our freedoms matter more
@@katiepelland-mcdonald2787 solving climate change is not worth it if that’s what it takes to solve it. Who cares if there’s no more snow our freedoms matter more than
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Community isn't the answer either, unfortunately. History over last 5-6 decades has shown conclusively that whenever such initiatives start to threaten corporate profits, lobbyists convince government to find issues with them. They don't comply with XYZ regulation, etc. Then the normal legal processes undermine, then extinguish them. Anything that stays at the level of "look, you are free to do such things" is ok, when it starts to actually hurt the bottom line, it stops pretty quickly. Young people (like I was once) haven't seen it happen so they think that "this time will be different". It won't...
Sounds fine, but there's a big but and some news. Renewables can't substitute all we do with oil, even worse, renewable energy devices can't be at the moment built without fossil fuels. Also climate change if we can do something about it is only part of the story. The name of the game is ecological overshoot! We will have to make do with perhaps a tenth of our present energy consumption since also fossil fuels will dwindle...
This is now the 4th progressive video without auto captions available by a creator who used to have them. Is everyone turning it off or is yt suppressing? As someone hoh I'd really like to know what's going on if anyone knows
Sorry, I’m not sure why they’re off! I’ve had a look in settings and can’t see anything about them… very strange. It must be a RUclips thing. Hopefully they become enabled soon
After the wars, droughts, famines, wildfires, and innumerable climate catastrophes have collapsed civilization, there may only be a handful of humans remaining. Well run small communities will be critical for survivors, if any, to persevere.
Literally 99% of the human population could vanish overnight and we'd be back to 13th century population numbers.
I swear if i got a nickel every time this idea and rhetoric that if we switched to socialism "all the problems in the world will vanish right away", i would be capable to buy all the fossil fuel indistry
Great societies have grown, ruled, and ended. What you are describing is the next great society. The climate crisis will end this one, no way out now. A new sustainable society for a quite different world would be the normal course of history. Wish us luck. 🎉
I think bad weather never happened in the past
A new sustainable society is what the Mongol Empire tried to create.
Gentlemen, gentlemen, there's a solution here you're not seeing!
Delay, deny, depose
@@nopizzawithoutpineappleDamn Straight 🛐
Read a statistic that 20% of Americans cant read past a 6th grade level
So when 25% vote one way, 25% vote the other way, and 50% don't vote, its really easy for 4/5ths of a part to not understand whats being said so they vote for the person they can understand, even if everything he says is just appealing to emotion.
I mean the guy said that he made the cleanest water while also actively saying that he was going to delete the EPA
Most people don't do fact checking on someone they already agree with.
I feel I should mention this -the earth will be fine. Life will continue. That is, after many species (likely including us), die. It’s not a matter of the Earth dying, but of us.
Yeah I woke up in 2020.
Luv ur bleeps.
It's now abrupt and irreversible.
All hope is lost.
But doesn't the community approach have the same problems as the individual one? We can't expect everyone will be able or willing to put in the time and effort required while being strangled by capitalism.
Change will have to start by governmental level (although it will certainly require a lot of pressure and action). Even if every community in a country stops consuming and is self sustainable, that only means the State will give consesions and export all the goods to other countries. Nothing would actually change in the end.
Yeah, this one missed the mark. We DID lose to climate change and the idea that an individual can somehow make an impact on multi-trillion dollar governments ran by corrupt politicians is absurd. BTW it doesn't help when your onboarding for your ""movement"" is basically, "Let's trade all the amenities we've worked so hard for! All your work meant nothing and you should be living with a quarter of what you fought for! I don't care if you're in the bottom 30% of income earners, you live in a first world country and therefore deserve a shit life!"
What is vault techs customer support number? I need to make a purchase.
We lost to climate change a long time ago.
Delay, deny and depose the climate culprits!
There are some GREAT books that I recommend to people who want to develop a revolutionary imagination and start seeing ways that we can exist outside of capitalism.
“Dawn of Everything” is an archeological and anthropological review of the last few decades of evidence that challenges assumptions about complex living necessitating hierarchy (plus, like, a million other important things).
“Everything for Everyone” is a sci-fi novel set in the 2050’s through 2070’s and chronicles a version of the climate crisis that leads first to American hegemonic consolidation and a war in Iran but ultimately results in a global commune as communities individually overthrow the systems that existed.
And keep up on your theory, everyone!!!
Thanks for the recs! Dawn of Everything is on my tbr list
There is some valid criticism of the dawn of everything by YT channel WHAT IS POLITICS?
I'm just along for the ride at this point. We learned this as kids. Nothing has changed. Things will only get worse
There are also things I'd like to add: using newer technology to promote more efficient production.
currently the model is to overproduce in a wasteful but cheap manner and compete for buyers, the most egregious example would be in terms of goods that utilize technology where we see planned obselesence, production of inferior products with the same technology to inflate the price of the product (the whole processor market is based on multiple lesser models being produced and the real product being the expensive "high end" one when the cost of production could bring profit even at the price of the "low end" version) deliberate lack of modularity and upgrade capability, not putting in features to add into later products, etc.
This can be combatted by changing how production is done, namely by using standard production lines to mass produce base universal components and using local assembly and additive manufacturing to produce desired end products according to demand.
In addition we need a massive biotech boost, not only in terms of use of biology based materials such as bioplastics but a regenerative medicine boom to vastly better human quality of life and lifespan.
A mistake I see, one that is the biggest weapon in the hands of fossil fuel mouthpieces, is them equating sustainable systems to low tech, lesser quality of life and shorter lifespans.
If we are to succeed in messaging, sustainable futurism must adopt a viable form of transhumanist futurism that can promise better outcomes than the one that's promised by current proponents.
I understand your reasoning but I completely disagree that this is the right way to bring about meaningful change. To end climate change we should not be creating a parallel society with our own food production and distribution.
This method is slow and expensive, though building a community and connection this way is good at getting the message out, it is not a long term or even a necessary solution. Community can and should be built but it cannot succeed if you start by disregarding the system.
Something Environmentalists and leftists continually fail to recognise is that farmers are not corrupt capitalists. Farmers are victims of capitalism as much as anyone, they often have to deal with selling to monopolies and are subjected to the market in a business which cannot change when prices do, if you’ve planted wheat you’re going to harvest and sell wheat whether it’s a loss or not because the market changes between crop cycles but your crops don’t. not to mention how they rely on luck with the weather. In the UK especially many farmers are actually doing pretty poorly, but they continue farming, you know why? Because they understand they feed people, farming is meaningful work and provides a meaningful life because they know they provide the basis for society, they live poor die rich. To disregard the power of integrating farmers into the movement is irresponsible. Industrial farming with artificial fertilisers and sprays is not just cheap and efficient, but it is the only way to feed the world, when many are negligent of the environment it is often to make a living. Farmers are necessary and to ignore these hardworking people who value the people of this planet as much as you and I is irresponsible.
To manifest real change we need to work together, not to build our own society, but to threaten the existence of the current one so that we may supplant it with our own or improve it with compromise. Unions and industrial action can do this, and I dare say that farmers deserve a union as much as all industries. Strikes threaten the supply and profits of the businesses that run the world, strikes pose a threat to the people in power and as a result they will compromise and concede. A union will lead to more meaningful change than a self sufficient community because a self sufficient community is impossible in our globalised, developed world. Who will make the e-bikes? Who produces the asphalt for the roads or pavement for paths? Who produces the solar panels for the communities’ growth? This is a society ultimately still subservient to industry and capitalism, if you want meaningful change we need to challenge capitalism with strikes and unions. Once most all workers are unionised, and the people of this world are ready for change they should overthrow the capitalist system and supplant it with a system subservient not to the rich, but to the people, perhaps in a few rapid events or over many many years or likely a mix of both. The seeds to such a system lies in the unions, which should become a democratic managerial body of their industry as they work with a democratic government to run the economy. The capitalist system is too entrenched to replace, it is only by working within its borders through gradual or sudden (if conditions are right) reform that change can be achieved.
One phenomenon worth looking into is “ecological overshoot,” meaning when the demands made on the ecosystem exceed its regenerative capacity. We have over 8 billion people in a world that’s capable of sustaining about 3-4 billion tops. We keep clear cutting the forests to make more farmland and overfishing the seas. We have to do something drastic and soon.
Does anyone have recommendations on books and resources that explain this type of community that we need?
I just listened to peter gelderloos, The Solutions are Already Here. I also watched How to Blow up a Pipeline. That's all I'm gonna say.
How to Blow Up a Pipeline was a great book! (Haven’t watched the doc tho). Hoping to feature the book in a future video
I personally found the movie to be disservice to the cause... It is poorly written and acted, while it contains some questionable depictions (check Marxism Today's analysis). I like the book though.
Woooow, so brave. When you actually act on the cause let us know. Otherwise, acting like a badass because you watched a 40 minute youtube video just makes you look fucking silly. It makes the entire movement look silly, real, "Ehrm, I just bought this katana. Now EVERYONE will think I'm cool" vibes.
@@drendenoxendine3491 Because ecoterrorists are known to post about their acts on public platforms...?