Game Designer Gives His Thoughts About Wizards(Hasbro)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Welcome, Travellers, to a candid discussion on the tumultuous events surrounding Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro over the past year. As our channel resurfaces after a 12-month hiatus, we delve into the controversies that have gripped the RPG community. From the OGL Scandal to the Magic 30th Anniversary Fiasco, we navigate through the series of misadventures that have shaken the foundation of these iconic brands.
Our journey unravels the repercussions of greed and short-sighted decisions by executives, which have sparked widespread backlash and discontent among fans and industry peers alike. We dissect the consequences of overprinting, reprints, and layoffs, shedding light on the erosion of trust and value within the Magic: The Gathering and Dungeons & Dragons realms.
With insights from industry insiders and a glimpse into the inner workings of these corporate giants, we confront the challenges ahead and the uncertain future of beloved franchises. Join us as we navigate the stormy seas of change, hoping for a brighter horizon for Wizards of the Coast, Magic: The Gathering, and Dungeons & Dragons. Until then, may the dice roll in our favor. Skål!
Andrew Valkauskas, The Creator of Fate of The Norns: Ragnarok, gives his thoughts on the ongoing Wizards/Hasbro situation.
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Small correction: Larian, not WotC, created BG3. WotC only sold them a license years ago.
Thanks for the name, it was stuck on the tip of my tongue but at the moment of recording I didn't remember it
And Sven from Larian twitted and deleted it that he was sad since Meeting1 6 years ago, no one is left at Wotc...
We all wished Larian owned D&D though
Larian did the bulk of the work, but WOTC did put some of their development team in to assist ALL of those involved at WOTC were laid off. Then there's the Lord of the Rings set for MTG, the most popular set ever, responsible for a large percentage of WOTC profits, since everything else was fairly lackluster. Most or all of those in charge of that project and other Universes unleashed sets were also part of the lay offs. In fact, the majority of layoffs at WOTC were within the Art, Design, and Writers departments. (and with 3 AI art scandals last year, that might give a hint of their plans in that area.)
Larian is a great company, but it is a video game company which is not set up to publish physical books, The video games are great, but D&D was never designed to be anything other than a physical, in person cooperative Role Playing game. BG3 is among the best D&D themed games, but live games will always be the choice of most Tabletop gamers.
Completely accurate characterization, especially the parts about sacrificing long term stability for short term revenue targets.
Great video, Andrew. Very measured and insightful.
Thank you for laying out these baffling decisions so clear and concisely. I've absolutely hated how the company has acted these past years. They've definitely lost a ton of my business. I hope many other people choose to do business elsewhere as well.
The most astonishing result of all of this is that Chris Co cks and Cynthia Williams are still gainfully employed.
True story. I still play 2e so I am onboard with the evergreen theory.
2nd ed still rocks!!
@@Tombonzo Will be rocking a high level game at orc con in Feb
I havent played D&D in nearly 24 years, but we ran 2nd ed for a decade and I STILL recall how to play it. Thac0 is not your enemy. Rulesets cen indeed be evergreen, or close enough that they only need to be refreshed once per age generation at most
I don't think WoTC realizes that people still have their old books.
Or physical media in general
Or imagination
Your point of view is completely consistent with what I and most of my friends think. Thanks for sharing thoughts with more people
10/10 brother , nice to see somene just talk facts and really give a general take on what really happened during WOTC./ Hasbro over the past 12 months
After reading LOTR's in the 70's I became a life-long gamer... including D&D and MTG the year after it came out. Seeing what Hasbro and WOTC is doing to the legacy of these fantasy stalwarts it genuinely sickening! Wish we could make a public push to have all the executives fired immediately! Cheers!
Okay, if I'm honest I didn't realize you have a YT channel. Really glad to see you guys on here, and this was definitely explained well. I've worked in small business entrepreneurship since I was a teenager (about twenty years now) and I'm stunned by their decisions.
Thanks! And as a side note, I have loved every single purchase I've made from you guys!
thanks for the kind words :) We have quite the back catalogue of episodes, so enjoy!
I need a bottle of Jameson when I think of current wotc too.
The best thing that could possibly happen is for Hasbro to go totally belly up and sell WotC to a company that will actually respect the community.
Hundred percent the second best thing. The best thing would be for WoTC to go bankrupt and 5e to die letting people move on to the thousands of better D&D games ready for new players, games that are being held down by the Hasbro marketing budget. Games like Dolmenwood, Hyperboria, Old School Essentials, Swords & Wizardry etc.
It's a publically traded company, though. It almost won't matter who's on the board, it will be suits who don't care about the company or the product one shred as much as they care about tearing in a bigger stack of dollars each quarter.
@@Grogeous_Maximus What of Paizo bought out WotC? 😁
@@chameleonx9253 Honestly Paizo wouldn't buy they know if D&D has issues Pathfinder benefits, in 4th Edition era Pathfinder actually outsold D&D. That was why that Edition was so short, I feel like there isn't a company that could buy it that would be better than Hasbro, its too expensive of a property.
nah. what you can expect is for hasbro to completely put magic "out of print". effectively skyrocketing price of singles. many who sold their collections will be kicking themselves.
Also, after saying that they were going to help LGSs more than ever, they went the Secret Lairs route during the pandemic, shutting off LGSs from the premium products players would go and buy from them. Just another middle finger to LGSs everywhere trying to stay in business.
It illustrates a problem with using benchmarks to evaluate the performance of management and give bonuses. Using these ratios is mistaking the map for the territory. The value of a stock and by extension the company is based on its *future* returns. If a company is firing talent to make numbers go up before the end of the fiscal year, their future returns are not so rose. When I took financial statement analysis, a red flag is if a company's cash flow statements is showing operational losses but positive cash flows from investing activities and financing activities. What that indicates it the company is getting desperate and starting to sell the things that normally make money. Employee knowledge and expertise are not reflected in financial statements but have a similar function in that they are part of the company's future potential for returns. The layoffs superficial improve ratios and benchmarks but they are catastrophic for Hasbro's future as a company. I also computed the company's Altman Z-score and there is a significant risk Hasbro could go bankrupt.
Yup with toddlers being raised on tablets and streaming services, parents buy less toys. Hasbro is in real trouble if they don't pivot.
Glad to hear it! Hasbro deserves it!
With how Hasbro handles their property and treat their employees and customers I feel NOTHING when I proxy entire commander decks. No one cares since I use recognizable card art and we keep power levels similar. Screw corporate greed. Ruins everything.
D&D 6e, or whatever, will be evergreen. Until the next president of WotC wants to make their mark on D&D. From all the things they've rescinded in their playtests it looks like they really don't have a good grip on what 6e is even going to look like. They want to make a product that will appeal to the most people possible, but in doing so they'll make the most milquetoast edition of D&D ever produced.
IT won't be evergreen, even if it gets marketed as such.
look at windows 10.
The problem with "evergreen" is it's in direct opposition to planned obsolescence which is what everyone wants.
If they DO do "evergreen" it means retreating to a purely online product where you are only ever getting access through a subscription. If they do that, then they will cut their audience by a significant margin, especially as people retreat from online spaces.
@SerifSansSerif that's what I'm saying. It will be evergreen, until it isnt.
From what I've seen after playtesting most of it, it's not reinventing the wheel. The system is nearly identical. They fix a few glaring issues with spells, backgrounds including feats, etc. They add a bastion system and give players revamped subclasses. All the mechanics are still the same. Just more options.
That's because it isnt a new system. It's a rules refresh to capitalize on d&ds 50th anniversary. That's really all there is to it. Most of this could be released via errata but it's the 50th so they gotta do something. 5e is the most popular system I've ever seen in my 27 years of playing. I'm sure they are aware of that and fear changing things too much. Just this mans 2 CP
They have made bold revisions to the game, it bit them in the ass, it is called 4E, which is the best version of the game to date, but people hate change. And yeah, every bold change the have been proposed has been shot down by the community. Which, TBF if I was making a game, and I proposed a change, and my customers told me they didn't like it, then I probably wouldn't make it.
@@laughingpanda4395 Yeah at this point it is a clear iteration on 5e, it is not a new system.
This is just so typical of what happens to a company when the Suites and Accountants are in charge. Seen it time and time again. For Hasbro/Wizards, they failed to learn the lesson of TSR. "Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" Seneca
My magic cards have all become proxies I printed in mass for me and my friends to build decks with
Thanks for sharing your point of view! I have come back to the rpg hobby a couple of months ago, and I was baffled by the amount of damage Hasbro could do in that short period of time. And I did not know much about the problems with Magic - that friends of mine have been playing for more than 30 years now. Wow, what a big mess.
We're baaaaaaaack! :)
Played my first campaign of Fate of the Norns: Ragnarok last year, and I'm looking forward to running a campaign of my own hopefully in 2024.
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one feeling this way about WotC/Hasbro.
Subscriptions? You mean you guys were paying a monthly fee to D&D all along? What happened to using books??? I had a D&D group a few years ago and everyone (except me) was using an app at the table. It was a real culture shock to me as an old-school gamer. These players didn't even know how to calculate their own attack rolls or skill checks without using an app. I told them they could use every class and race they wanted to from all the books I owned, but my players kept complaining the app didn't allow them to use anything except the core, without paying extra.
DnDbeyond is the best thing to happen to DnD. As someone that has been playing and buying all the books for my group forever. Being able to share all the books with digitally at the same time with 30 people is amazing, it is like having 30 copies of every single book, and then being able to use the app to help speed up play at the table is amazing.
BTW, I'm glad to finally found he author of Ragnarok, Fate of the Norns. We had a good time, but sadly I was the most invested, and everybody wanted to go back to Palladium RPG 1e.
believe! :)
thank you for adding your clear and concise message of truth to the conversation! i hope Hasbro takes notice.
i walked away from M:TG almost entirely after the first Secret Lair, and 3 boosters of Kaldheim was my last purchase; i stopped buying D&D products after they abandoned 4E. those benchmarks are clear enough, but for some additional context: before the advent of the 4-color legendaries, i had a total of 57 EDH decks ready to play at the drop of a hat (a minimum of two per color identity), and i have purchased or otherwise secured nearly every single published text for 3.0, 3.5, and 4E.
now, i proxy cards off the basic lands accumulated over 27 years of play, and i homebrew my own games with a grab-bag of mechanics from multiple sources.
Hasbro has done just as effective a job at killing D&D/M:TG as Disney has Marvel/LucasFilm.
hope may spring eternal, but my coin stays with me until those ships are righted. i'm gonna be rich.
Stay strong 💪 friend
Dungeon Crawl Classics is what you are looking for.
Good suggestion, I love the magic system. Check out Fate of the Norns as well :)
I agree on a lot of points. Though its not all the executives. The D&D creative team has been producing some very bad products.
I left MTG back during Khans, and saw the greed of Wizards. (30th Anniversary, price increases, rapid printing, set saturation, forever spoiler season).After the OGL debacle, I made a decision that 2023 is the last year I buy 5e. So I have been buying up all the books I missed at huge discount prices and have finished that process. I'm going to make an exception for the upcoming Vecna book, and I'm done. No more wizard products. Digital or otherwise. All 3rd party from here out or other RPGs. No employees deserve to be treated the way Wizards has treated theirs. They cannot earn my business back.
I left around the second Ravnica arc, but returned for the D&D set. I was getting closer to trusting WOTC to create versions of MTG and D&D I would enjoy playing. Then last year hit and I now avoid EVERYTHING produced by WOTC. My main RPG is Pathfinder 2e, for CCGs, it's looking like Lorcana could be a good replacement (when you can find it) and I tell everyone still hooked on 5e that they can play it without supporting WOTC. All of the best written and highest quality 5e and 5e adjacent materials are made by 3rd party companies. I point them to games like Tales of the Valiant. I also like to chat with creators about looking more toward ORC compatibility over OGL (which the new edition is likely NOT going to be part of. It's their only way of making an RPG that noone else can contribute to (that is their plan for a Monopoly on their trademark products)
Sold my MTG collection 2 years ago at this point. I still track that collection on a free app on my phone for fun. Its worth 1/5th of what it was when i sold it. Yeeesh
Prices have been tanking for 24 months now, $1000 dual lands are now $200 and everything is set to go lower. No one is buying sealed product, and the market has moved to singles now.
i sold most of my collection back around 2015 when i quit Modern and diverted to Commander/EDH instead. over the years since then, i sold away any EDH card that got above $10 and printed proxies instead.
fwiw, this move helped me pay off my mortgage. =)
And... I left WoTC 4 years ago and never looked back. Never again.
I fully expect the OGL revisions we saw in Jan 2023 will come back, maybe with the next edition, maybe an edition in 10 years, but they will come back to the idea that "their" money is in the bank accounts of 3rd Party Publishers and they want "their" money back.
And that is a symptom of just how shredded trust is over "that Seattle company".
It's a Unity grade disaster, right there.
The one thing I'm fine with is reprints. Though it can erode the value of certain cards from a collecting standpoint, I am perfectly okay with staples prices being normalized so more people do not have to pay an arm and a leg for them.
While it kills the secondary market and dampens collector investment witch is like large part of the profit as they are the guys that buy everything, it makes the game more accessible for new players. Question is do you appeal to actual players and try to make gaming experience good so more people play your game, or you appeal to collectors and rake them for all they got cause they buy anything.
Ideally you should just make new cards that do the same thing, or something fairly similar (like yugioh has archetype specific cards that are X card but with limitation of only working with whatever card set), that mostly satisfies both. I mean it creates different set of problems, but you know more cards, more problems.
Most card game publishers have a small reprint policy while others have no reprits (Pokemon & ffg) and their games thrive. Collectors are happy and players are happy. It is very possible to evolve games without having to reprint vast portions of the catalogue. Grading and sales sites are even confused which card is from which actual set. I didn't mention in the video the exodus of sellers sich as the iconic Troll & Toad from the Magic marketplace.
Who would have thought that corporate greed would kill a creative brand?
This was bound to happen, when the CEO said 'DnD is under monetized'.
I find it amusing when exec's get punished for their greed.
People should learn to play Blood Bowl to better understand when to greed and when to play it safe.
That's areally awesome book case
Thanks! Try the games (Fate of the Norns) 😊
Maybe off-topic:
I appreciate the fact that D&D, unlike Magic: the Gathering, can be a "buy once" product and therefore the company needs to find ways to earn more revenue to stay in business.
Going the electronic route, though, I feel will not appeal to a lot of players.
One thing I love about the game is that you turn off all your electronics and huddle around the table with friends, pencils, books, dice, and snacks.
Although I might stream some background music, the experience is an intimate and utterly UN-technological one.
Personally, I'd not have it any other way.
I applaud Hasbro for branching out to digital realms and resources for those who want them, but it will never be for me.
If WotC goes paperless, as I believe they suggested they might (which would near guarantee more constant revenue), I would just use the books I have, or books from another system.
I don't begrudge Hasbro/WotC for trying to pick up more revenue sources, but I'm likely not going to follow them into the digital direction they want to go in.
I am not sure if healthy DnD means healthy RPGs in general. I really got back into RPGs during DnD 4th ed, because of Pathfinder. I really enjoyed that period, thanks to the lower importance of DnD.
If you want that Oldschool authentic MTG feel try Sorcery TCG.
the Pinkertons will TRY to show up at your house armed and intimidate you. however some people in this country are armed and are allowed to defend themselves.
Just because you are armed, doesn't equate to you being qualified to handle the situation.
If you are armed and they are armed, depending on how things play out, they are entitled to defend themselves as well.
And guess who probably knows how to rules lawyer the situation the best...
I used to spent $4-6k a year on magic. Now i spent. $100-300 a year as there is so much printed nothing is special
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This was a wonderful video that didn't ramble and got right to the point, which I'm sure wasn't easy given all the sins Hasbro has committed lately.
Iv got to disagree with the ending there...
9:55 I do not believe for a second, that WotC/D&D props up the rest of the hobby... I get some people think that; but I live in a part of the world where D&D ONLY became big because it started appearing in video game stores, and supermarkets like Target. Like Japan, my part of the world has just as big interests in Call of Cthulhu, Traveller, Shadowrun, and older editions of D&D that are out of print.
So, WotC being dead or alive is only a factor to visibility for the average person... for actually hobbyists, we've always had a selection.
DnD is great for bringing awareness to RPGs and even drawing in new players (but there are much better beginner RPGs). A DnD on life support won't be attracting more players to the hobby, it may turn potential fans off the hobby. But yes, mostly anecdotal evidence since no one has run a scientific study on the matter.
@@AndrewValkauskas i’m sure someone has done market research on this. I think people are going to continue playing RPG‘s that are already playing them. As to whether more people will come to the hobby or not. I think that is more to do with the amount of free time people have and the amount of awareness around the game. We experienced historic highs because of these converging factors. we had a worldwide pandemic combined with increased awareness of role-playing games for multiple factors. This led to a huge number of people playing the game.If we get another pandemic or maybe a bad economy to where no one can afford to go outside. Maybe people will play more of these games because you can just get the rules on the Internet. Either way fifth edition is out there and everyone has written everything for it so it’s very likely a number of people won’t switch at all or will switch to another game
Considering D&D rarely makes Hasbro money and they're always looking to sell the IP. WotC is also forced to sell more products by Hasbro to try and make money too which is hurting the brand with every year. Hasbro also hasn't been getting rid of anyone they don't need. Most of the people they let go were oversea's personal which they don't need and just overlapped with other people in America and people who weren't working on anything at WotC whether because they were moved from one franchise or another or because their own franchise wasn't working on anything so there's no reason to keep them around, or because like the oversea personal, they were just Hasbro staff, not WotC. You can get a lot of information on this sort of thing if you're a Class B stock holder in any company.
I don't get why people think a company should keep workers who aren't doing anything or doing something another worker is doing. Businesses don't do that, you'd learn that if you take business management courses. It's not like they take long to do in University. I finished mine in two years. This is no different than TKO Holdings getting rid of WWE personal who had jobs that overlapped with people who worked with the parent company.
One thing you should be worried about from WotC is future products in the next year given the state China is in. If they go with a country like Vietnam 100$ now for printing you will still see an increase in costs. Though they may go with India which will see a massive drop in quality.
Quality has been an issue for wotc for the last 3 years. Pringled foils that even in pack-fresh shape, cannot be used in tournaments. Dulled foils where players prefer the regular card for appearance. Book bindings that fall apart... the list goes on sadly. As an i die publisher I would be mortified to release anything remotely close to wotc's quality standards.
Most depressing! I started playing Magic back in 4th edition for a few years. Got back into it a bit about 4 years ago. Really miss the old fun and excitement of what it used to be rather than the random print fest it is now.
Thanks for sharing, I got out at 5th and I have never looked back.
Silly money grab.
I am playing Hearthstone now, which is getting to the same shenanigans now: totally bunkers cards being printed now.
Come play pre modern, really good format for nostalgia and wont be a printfest because well...No printing 😅
Thanks I will look into that!@@lainhikaru5657
I bought D&D player book only to play third party products. But, If OGL wasn't there I wouldn't bought any of books to 5ed. Also I played during pandemic time some RPGs through Internet and wasn't as fun as playing with people in the room.
Larian made BG3, and they had issues with Wizards. My gaming group got me one commander deck last year-- and that was the last time I looked at any cards. I put down the cards entirely when Wizards lied about using AI art for Magic. Pendelhaven TCG game when?
2025!!!
@@AndrewValkauskas Better tell Ken, so he can wait another 10 years.
the whole "debacle" just shows one thing: don't play D&D
yes it IS currently the biggest name (because of TV and Streaming putting it front and center) but ... looking at the EU: we have so many other cool RPGs (every country i feel has it's own game) that the impact wasn't that big.
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This is the outcome when corpos and wokes (both different flavours of the same psichos) take over any organization.
There is still a reason people still use physical books
Prices of mtg product has gotten out of hand I used to be able to buy a box of every set when they came out and now not only can I not keep up with the constant deluge of product coming out but they keep getting more and more expensive to purchase and everyone has told wotc getting rid of MSRP has been a negative move for costumes ands lgs's it's like theyre plugging their ears when they're costumes complain
I jumped on fantasy flight games lord of the rings living card game and kept my MTG cubes.
MTG has allways been a "only get singles" game and they are swaying everyone else that way too if not making players quit straight away.
Hasbeen needs to break and sell those IP, the fall of TSR caused a renaissance in other IP like after a forest fire. Those hobies are not going anywhere, sure they will have a rough season but those 2 IP Magic and DnD are just too big not to be bought once the price is right. In the mean time I'm cutting the water and wait for the fire.
LOL imagine being an executive and being enticed by stock options in Hasbro. WoTC needs a corporate divorce from Hasbro.
This is all really sad. It's still a good game and I'll engage with it in a limited capacity. But it won't be anything like the past. I just don't have money to light on fire.
I wish hasbro goes rupt and valve buys all of wotc at bargain price and rebuilds it as a seperate company with valve-like structure
I think the downward spiral began well into 2022, before the OGL scandal and MTG 30th.
Magic was getting hit with over-production in that there would be 3-5 special versions of any given card: borderless version, alt-art version, borderless alt-art version, etc. Also, instead of releasing a new product only once every few months, they started releasing 2-3 new products every month. Collectors were basically saying, "we can't keep up with this," and Hasbro/WotC's response was, "then don't buy it."
D&D was suffering with a general decline in quality of the content being released: overpowered and/or unfun sub-classes and spells, like Silvery Barbs - or just the non-existence of content, as with Spelljammer which didn't even come with stat blocks or rules for ships and ship-to-ship combat. Then Williams famously said, "D&D is under-monetized."
D&D may be the giant in the room, but I think we're entering a new age where people will begin exploring alternatives to D&D. Hasbro/WotC can squeeze their grip around D&D all they want, and won't realize they're only killing their own golden goose, as players jump ship to try new TTRPG games. Hasbro going belly up can only be a good thing at this point, then either WotC goes independent or gets bought by a better company and everything will be alright. Maybe Larian? lol
Regarding Magic, I've decided to sell my collection and just stick with budget decks I know I'm going to play with. I only buy singles from my LGS for pauper, or cards that cost less than $2.00 if I feel like building a deck. I still like the game, just not enough to support the company by making significant purchases. I forgot it was possible to build a deck for $10 or less. It's really nice.
Stopped buying MTG during the course of 2021 because already then the time between sets had been decreased and I couldn't keep up. Basically I was updating my EDH decks and every time my decks were sort of up to date a new set would come out. You are also right that the copious amounts of 'special' versions made it so that nothing was ever really special. The whole Universes Beyond thing also dilutes their IP and shows what little regard they have for their own product.
As a hobby I now play Warhammer and although I may spend an equal amount of money I feel less squeezed than the last year I collected MTG. (and god knows ... GW aren't saints either lol)
the executives will not listen to anything but $$ and unfortunately too many people have short memories. I won't give WotC money and it's unfortunate especially now... it is like they are trying to kill the golden age of gaming.
I dont understand people complaining about reprints. "Oh no, more people can afford to play this game i like, how dare they".
Man this is crazy... 😔
Good choice in booze man.
consumption of the current is not really about doing "the thing" anymore, it's more ideology driven, doing the thing makes me a good person because of some constructed moral framework, and the information does not matter, what matters is who it comes from and are they a designated good person under that framework, so knowing this, will they really go use their old books? my experience is that no, they will not, because it's not about doing the thing, not anymore
It will probably end up like 4e again. Less popular, company stumbling over itself trying to course correct every 2-3 books until they pull the plug and try again
good summary, this is exactly why I quit mtg
The execs released the biggest set in the history of magic with the LOTR set. I think while some actions are misguided, this shows that the execs also have some pretty good visions for the products. The separation between collecting cards and playing pieces is also in full swing. You call it destruction of the value of collections, but instead of gatekeeping good cards, they just print chase variants instead. This is the better approach for the overall health of the game. They also managed to raise prices with play booster packs without the community losing its mind, which is insanely hard to do. Let's hope that they do direct to consumer with Magic next instead of relying on LGS and scalpers and introduce an actual MSRP for the products.
If D&D is out of Hasbro/WoTC's hands, I'll return. Until then, they have enough of my money.
I liked they reprinted cards
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I think RPGs will do just fine without D&D, they can always use the old books, some players do currently, preferring older versions to 5e.
Not to mention there's a thriving OSR community as well as all these games that have their dedicated fans that are more than willing to take on new ones that are leaving WoTC:
Anything from Free League
Call of Cthulhu
Delta Green
Savage Worlds
Pathfinder
Runequest
Shadowdark
World of Darkness
Mörk Borg and it's sister games (such as Pirate Borg and Vast Grimm)
And way, way too many for me to list.
They'll survive
Great suggestions, thnx, and don't forget Fate of the Norns :)
5e was designed to be evergreen.
I am waiting for indie and OSR game developes to flush D&D and move on to another system.
Every SRD/OGL/d20 game that comes out just gives D&D/WotC/Hasbo more credence and validation.
Of course they fired the Baldurs Gate team, they had to do that to avoid competing against once demonstrated competent people for executive chairs.
I can't support them anymore, jumping over to Pathfinder and sold all my magic cards.
Give Fate of the Norns a try! ;)
@@AndrewValkauskas I'll check it out thanks a bunch for the suggestion
Gamers got all mad for a month, but then immediately went back to brunch because a game and a movie came out. WotC will make a metric shload of money from 6E VTT AI-DMs, and continue to be trolls because they never suffer long term effects from corporate malfeasance.
I am so glad I stopped buying hasbro crap
Unless the leadership changes, I'll never support WoTC. Ever. My friends and family will try to not support them either.
I'll join whatever competition they have .
I'm based enough to probably stick to 5e to a point, until 5.5e at most?
But that's it. May go Pathfinder or Fantasy Roleplay afterwards...
Go woke Go Broke
More get woke go broke?
Same difference, Black Rock wise.
I played 2nd ed AD&D for nearly a decade, so I am not sure why a system needs to be updated if a system works. yeah there is bloat, but more is always better than less. You dont have to use everything published.
System updates are nearly always just to see you the same but different thing again. GW wargaming books are the gold standard example of this predatory process. 2nd ed D&D wasnt perfect, but everything has just been going downhill since then. WoTC kinda kill everything they touch. Anyone remember heroscape? Pepperidge farms remembers how Wotc killed it.
The Hobby will be fine without, Wotc/Hasbro.
It wouldnt hurt any of the customers to see every single wotc employee fired.
5:57 is the least egregious point for me: it does more harm to a game to lock game pieces behind a price barrier. Yes there are collectors who lose out monetarily, but IMO a company like WOTC SHOULDN'T need to account for the financial gambling people do with their products. This is just a way for people with rarer cards to say 'No, don't reprint, let me accrue more money'
Jesus, I forgot Magic's 30th anniversary fiasco was also part of Hasbro's 2023 comedy of errors.
Honestly, the more I think about the OGL fiasco, the dumber it seems. The executives basically wanted to throw out free money. Instead of paying their own designers and printers to make lower margin books like adventures or weird subsystems that only certain players care about and buy, they could just, let other people do it while keeping all those people and their fans in the revenue stream for future D&D products. I can't imagine wanting to make all that chaff while you're pinching pennies, nor can I imagine this audience wanting a game where that sort of stuff isn't on the table. And they SHOULD know this from the previous time they tried to kill the OGL and just wound up creating a competing company and a competing game and a whole lot of bad blood from fans towards the new edition.
Yup they've created quite the population of pissed off players who will stay away for years... but there are a ton of publishers like us, Pendelhaven, who won't touch another ORL from them again. So many publishers have moved into the open d20+ movement and won't look back.
There's some valid points but if you're familiar with the history of Wizards calling this irreparable damage ignores the cyclical nature of their player base and just know often they've done dumb stuff in the past.
Doom and gloom may be popular online but it's rarely as big a deal as it's made out to be.
Not shipped the set, had someone swap it out to make You Tube video.
WOTC sucks enough without adding lies.
BG3 was not WOTC, again stop it.
Lol just support Piazo.
This is similar to D4 isiots think it's better than poe...
Wotc and Hasbro fucked you, switch.
Yeah, I simply dont feel really sorry for the fired people.
ofcourse the execs have to go, but we have black Aragorn etc. complete rewrites of characters as in all franchises today.
I dont feel sorry for actovists disguising themselves. This whole bunch has to go.
My personal take if I ever did a "black anagorn" would be to make it a valuable alt card. And advertise it as a chance.
As an extra or something. But hey, is what it is.
@@masterbasher9542 It is what it is.
its cheap ideological garbage that didnt sell. And now the company is predictably tanking.
Monopoly Go is such an embarrassment of a game
Reprints are good wtf are you talking about. Cry more
I think the theory is one thing you are glossing over not only for dungeons and dragons, but for magic to gathering all of the insane woke ideology, the removal of several character classes from dungeons and dragons, the race swapping of several cards in Magic, the gathering specifically the set with the Lord of the rings and just the basically we don’t care because we want to be woke ideologues