Y’all need to stop focusing on gifts and start looking at fruit. You will know them by their fruit. If you are Holy Spirit fill you must bare the fruit of it. Love, joy, peace, patience,kindness, goodness,faithfulness, and self control
The gifts can be faked the fruit cannot . Remember this people will say lord lord did I not cast out demons in your name heal the sick in your name and he will say depart from me I never knew you. You can apear to be the most gifted person and not know TMH and his son the messiah.
I don’t always agree with Marcus but I like how humble he is and he seems really sincere. It’s good to see people discussing and even disagreeing but with brotherly love and patience.
@Jimwin2, this has certainly been refreshing godly conversation. I am encouraged by their civility. It is a demonstration to the unbeliever that we as Christians can agree to disagree by merely being slow to speak and quick to listen. Well done @smartchristians and Pastor Rodgers.
Tongues is a gift.....you can't learn it or earn it....don't feel bad if you don't have it cuz the Holy Spirit gave you another gift. Hope this helps anyone. God Bless !
@@SwaytekkJohn 11:25-26 says, 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this? What does this have to do with the topic of tongues?
I was raised in church and always believed in God, yet I was filled with the Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit spoke through me when I was 15. I believe all believers speak, if you haven’t then seek God concerning that.
Brother Marcus I agree 1000%with you through experience and the power of God Because the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but are mighty through the pulling down of strong holds I have this revelation 2 Corinthians 10 : 4 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 Tongues are one of the gifts and believe my Brother I exercise it and the Lord Blesses me abundantly I bind demons and cast them back to the pits tongues is not just a gift with no purpose it’s a weapon against the enemy spiritual attacks thank the Lord for this revelations , so Brother Marcus I’m with you Brother I understand Spiritual warfare.
@TEES, Exactly, also the enemy cant understand because thats Gods heavenly language ,I cant pray without ceasing in english but I can in tongues. There also are people who say you cant speak in tongues unless someone interprets they dont understand thats for prophetic tongues like giving a word, but just praying in tongues you dont need an interpreter. God Bless
@@teespirit8465There is no such thing as binding the devil nor declaring or the decreeing. There's only 2 Powers active God's divine power and satanic power. You don't have some special power independent of God. I've been at death bed sides listening to people, speaking in tongues, binding, declaring and decreeing and the person still died. Then you ask why did they die? Answer of course: it was God's will. And I agree. Therefore there's no independent power working inside of us to bring about anything. And we shouldn't and can't command God to do anything. Paul said in prayer and supplication let your requests be known to God. Nowhere in the Bible is there prayer in regards to the declaring and decreeing, or binding. No where does it say we are speaking in a language that Satan doesn't understand. Someone just said it. Why do we need to pray in code when God is more powerful than Satan. He can block anything Satan tries to do. Satan had from Adam & Eve to 30 AD (thousands of years) to hinder salvation through Jesus Christ and couldn't do it. So why do we need to speak in a secret code? Like Corey said, tongues appeared in each region the Apostles/disciples didn't expect them to be. The Ethiopians(a Gentile), that Philip witness to and baptized didn't speak in tongues. I wasn't necessary because tongues would appear at the Gentile home of the Roman Centurion Cornelius in Acts 10:24-35. And we know the tongues were a confirmation for Peter that Christianity was also for the Gentiles by this response. Acts 10:34-35 NASBS “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, [35] but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him. Why? Because before the persecution of Saul. They were only witnessing to Jews around Jerusalem/Judea. Jesus told them to the Samaritan's and outermost region (Gentiles).
Speaking in tongues means communicating in another language to a person who listens and understands it, but the language is unknown to the speaker. This was a miracle brought about by the holy spirit at Pentecost.
You guys don’t know your Bible and you obviously didn’t just listen to the verses that told you in this video, that there’s multiple uses for tongues not just for interpretation. There is a prayer language we’re only God knows what you’re saying. 1 Corinthians 14:2. Why are you out here casting doubt when it’s in the Bible, it’s like you’re doing Satan’s work.
@@keithp8357 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[b] but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church”
@@keithp8357 6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
I have prayed with 2 of my siblings and they received it. It takes 3 things. 1. Patience 2. A true desire for it because it’s a gift 3. Someone praying with you to receive it. In the old time church they made you tarry until it came on you. It’s how bad you want it
This is a faith walk. Sometimes, we make things a lot harder than they really are, and we overthink to the point of unbelief. You can make an argument to work in your favor on any topic. Be ready to answer to God for your personal choices and living despite what man tells you is right or wrong.
I don’t desire to debate the Bible but my prayers go out to Pastors Corey I pray he gets the true revelation this conversation was great because it didn’t have a negative back and forth. I wanted to get to the bottom of where Pastors Corey is and when he asked the question when I wanted why didn’t receive told me a lot. The answer is this going through the process of receiving the gift of tongues is simply an act of faith some struggle with this because it’s hard for them to take that first step it’s like asking someone to jump off the boat but you will not jump. You simply just speak and as you take that act of faith you open the door for the Holy Spirit.
Yeah I felt that, too, when Pastor Corey said it. I pray for him to get it. I was the same way, it took me 3 years after I was saved before I spoke in tongues.
This is great example of kingdom, that we can discuss and disagree and still be respectful. And acknowledge what is Hell related and salvation. Blessings to you both
This was a godly and grace-giving exchange between two brothers. Even if you land on different sides of the issue, thank you both for keeping the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace.
@@aheartonfire7191 do you have to come on a positive comment and trash it? Maybe you should look inside you own closet see what you need cleaned up. No one is perfect and he admitted to his wrongs which like you are a great example you love pointing out others go have several seats shut up and point at yourself! Always some negative when this was actually a positive conversation and Marcus willing to learn!!! Geez! Sick of people like you!
The gift is different from prayer language. The gift is used in gathering and another person or that person should interpretation. Refer to 1 Corinthians 14:2 .. the prayer language is for the individual only. I have scripture for all this but typing is tiring. God bless you.
@@rochelleb9843 You are not going to speak in spiritual tongues unless you are save you may go and learn a different language naturally but Spiritually you are not going to speak in those tongues that the Bible refers to unless you are save
Corey said something very key. He asked , “why didn’t I get the speaking in tongues when I asked?” But in the same breath he said that he was taught not to believe in speaking tongues. What you believe is very important. From the sound of the statement, it appears you believe more in what man told you is not true than what God said is possible. I got the gift of speaking in tongues years later after I got saved. I was in prayer and praying in the Father, son and the Holy Spirit with a friend and then a very warm sensation came over me and then my gift started happening. I in tongues and some very amazing thing has happened to me in doing so. Not all of us have the same gifts and doesn’t mean a person is not saved because they can’t speak in tongues. God gives gift to who so chooses. Paul said that he wishes that all can , but he knew we all wouldn’t.
Cory, the reason why when you wanted to speak in tongues and didn’t; is because though we are admonish to desire spiritual gifts, it is still up to the HOLY SPIRIT on when you get it or if you get it at all. The HOLY SPIRIT is the one who delegates the gifts. There was also a time I desired the gift of tongues and didn’t get it for a while and eventually the HOLY SPIRIT decided to give it to me.
I agree with the scriptures. It happened to me just as the Bible said. I just pray we all reason with one another in love. Above all love is the Greatest.
So the only way to build “yourself up” or build up other people is with tongues? Studying scripture, hearing the word, prayer, singing, love, none of that builds just tongues?
We recently studied 1 Corinthians chapter 12, which refers to having the Holy Spirit. Verse 4 and 5 reads as "4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." Regarding the Holy Spirit, verses 29 and 30 asks the rhetorical question "29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers?, are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" My conclusion is you DON'T have to have the gift of prophesy to be saved, you don't have to be an apostle to be saved or you don't have to speak in tongues to be saved "30 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
Man! this was the best and most respectful bible study on speaking in unknown tongues and sounds (barking, yelling, singing, growling etc) that I have heard. I just loved it! I can speak in unknown tongues too and have been able to for 40 years.
That's crazy. Jesus said if you have the faith of a mustard seed. If you have the faith to pray and ask, I would like to believe that's a least mustard seed faith. I get irritated with people throwing it back at the person requesting the gift but don't get it as not having faith or enough faith. Well how much faith does he need? Is it a glass full, a gallon, a bucket? And can we measure it so we can know how hard he needs to tarry to at least reach the minimum faith for tongues. It's like it's faith in your ability to have faith. It's always linked to some nebulous faith that doesn't even make sense to the person who says you didn't have enough faith. So can leave the amount in your response. Thanks
@@RepentOrPerishL133 faith for tongues is not an amount, it’s you don’t have any faith to receive. You can have faith in salvation, but not to receive tongues. You can have faith for a break through to get a job, but no faith to receive healing for sickness in your body. Faith can be looked at like lifting weights, you can being press all day long but you can’t do squats to save your life, so you have muscles for bench pressing but no muscles for squatting. Jesus said your faith has made you whole, your faith has healed you, your faith hath delivered your child from the demon etc
So nice you were able to get someone to come speak with you. I believe this shows Marcus Roger's humility , he doesn't think he is all that in the church that he don't need to be wasting time with people to explain himself, like others. 😒
The Bible does not teach everyone has to speak in tongues to be saved. It’s not really that hard if you read your Bible or have a knowledgeable teacher. It’s one of many gifts
@William-dt3zl praise the Lord. God says in Romans 8 if you have not my spirit you are none of his. God spirit is the Holy Ghost so you can’t be saved without having the Holy Ghost. “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;” Mark 16:17 KJV In 1 Corinthians 12 starting with verse 4 that’s in addition to the nature. Speaking in tongues come with having the Holy Ghost. Jesus taught a life and everyone that followed him live the life because he is the way the truth and life. Jesus even spoke in tongues in Matthew 27/mark 15 and he is not a respect of persons.
Belief that speaking in tongues is powerful and makes the one “praying” in tongues to feel empowered is rooted in that persons faith in what they were taught about it and their faith in the individual who shared this “wonderful”knowledge with them. This is increased by them thinking of the masses around them saying this is possible and a gift they have a right to as a child of GOD😢 The power of persuasion has fueled the fallacy of “speaking/ praying in tongues” as believed now.
I love that this was an honest (but not heated) conversation and these brothers were able to laugh with each other even though the disagree on this topic 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
When I was young person - I wanted the gift and prayed for the gift and it was not until I was an adult that God blessed me with speaking in tongues. During my sorrow God met me with this powerful gift. I can come unto your show and express my experience. When I pray in tongues, it keeps me spiritually sound though not the only vehicle that God uses. Beloved we all have gifts - let us stop these “debates” but seek the lost for Christ all the more. Tongues are real and no one is forced to receive a gift.🙏🏾
The scriptures don't teach that you don't need real Speaking in tongues Your still wordlyness feeling women Real God has tooken control of your speech that how he comes in According to scriptures You need read Acts and John
During this conversation Marcus said that every time from what he has seen. Where it says and they were filled with the Holy Spirit that they spoke in tongues . But there’s actually a time when they didn’t. Here’s the passage of scripture. Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
It doesn't have to say they spoke in tongues. It was established that being filled with the Holy Ghost meant speaking with tongues. It's a repeat of Acts 2, they were filled with the Holy Ghost(spoke in tongues) & then Peter preached boldly & when ask what MUST WE DO to be saved Peter(being filled with the Holy Ghost the Spirit of Truth) said Repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, & you shall receive the Holy Ghost. Every instance after that, when people were filled, they spoke in tongues. So when it's established, it doesn't have to be repeated verbatim. In fact, Peter never says believe, he says repent, but it's established that belief is a requirement.
@FocusedOnDestiny thank you, people act like that the bible recorded every action. The bible didn't record all of Jesus 33 years on earth. If the bible recorded everything, the bible would be so big it would be impossible to read the whole thing
Great way to have this conversation guys! I think the discourse here today was not only informative but encouraging to see it done this way. Praise God for you two brothers!
I think a vital point missed by Corey is that regarding hearing different languages when a person speaking in tongues at Pentacost, it was like ONE person speaking in tongues around TEN people from TEN different regions who only spoke their native tongue, hearing THEIR language being spoken by ONE person. It's like if I spoke in tongues in front of a person who spoke Swahili, a person who spoke German, a person who spoke Mandarin, a person who spoke Latin, etc, ALL CLEARLY UNDERSTAND what I'm saying, simultaneously. THAT'S what was happening at Pentacost. When Marcus is saying, "Well, my mom speaks four different languages, my brother speaks fluent German, etc", who cares? That's not what was happening at Pentacost. Different language speakers heard their respective language at the same time by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Listening to this can cause confusion to the unlearned. I pray in the spirit, and there's a difference in my life, and I'm able to edify or help someone else.
The receiving of the Holy Spirit was an experience so definite that one could answer yes or no to the question whether they had received the Holy Spirit. Read Acts 19 verse 2. Paul put to the little group of disciples at Ephesus the definite question," did you receive the Holy Ghost when you believed?".These men did not so much as hear whether the Holy Ghost was given to which Paul told them that it had, and he took steps whereby they were definitely baptized with the Holy Spirit before that meeting closed. Is also evident from Galatians 3: 2 that the Holy Spirit is a definite experience of which one may know whether he has received it or not. Paul said to the Believers in Galatia, " this only would I learn of you , received ye the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith ?" They're receiving of the Spirit had been so definite as a matter of personal consciousness that Paul could appeal to it as a ground for his argument . The Bible is clear as day on this as on every other point. It sets forth an experience so definite and so real that one may know whether or not he has received the baptism with the Holy Spirit, and can answer yes or no to the question, " have you received the Holy Spirit ?" The baptism with the Holy Spirit is an operation of the Holy Spirit that is distinct from an additional to his regenerating work . This is evident from Acts 1:5, " for John truly baptized with water but you should be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." It is clear that the disciples had not yet been baptized with the Holy Spirit, and that they were to be baptized not many days later. The men to whom Jesus spoke those words were already new men. They had been so pronounced by our Lord himself when he has said to them in John 15:3, " Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you." What does clean through the word mean? The question is answered in 1Peter 1:23 , "Being born again not of corruptible seed but of Incorruptible by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever ". A little earlier on the same night , Jesus had said to them in John 13:10 , " He that is washed needs not saved to wash his feet but is clean every whit : and you are clean, but not all." The Lord Jesus had pronounced that company of men clean, reborn men, with the exception of the one who never was a reborn man, Judas Iscariot who should betray him. Yet Jesus told the same men in Acts 1: 5 that the baptism with the Holy Spirit was an experience they had not yet realized that still lay in the future. So it is evident that it is one thing to be born again by the Holy Spirit through the word, and something distinct from this and additional to it to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. The people of Samaria in Acts chapter 8 came to faith in Christ by the preaching of Philip , but Peter and John were sent to Samaria for these saved believers to receive the Holy Ghost, " for us yet he was fallen upon none of them, only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus ". They were baptized believers, they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, some of them were most assuredly reborn men, and yet not one of them had received or been baptized with the Holy Spirit. So again it is evident that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an operation of the Holy Spirit distinct from and additional to his regenerating work. A man may be reborn by the Holy Spirit and still not be baptized with the Holy Spirit. In being reborn there is the impartation of Life by the Spirit's power, and the one who receives it is saved, and in the baptism with the Holy Spirit there is a impartation of Power, and the one who receives it is fitted first service. Let's understand that it was after Cornelius and his family heard the "testimony" of Jesus, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. On the Gentiles was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost for they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God . The church today is not in a normal condition. A very large part of the church is in the place where the believers in Samaria were before Peter and John came, as was the disciples in Ephesus before Paul came and told them of their larger privilege ....they were baptized believers, baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, baptized unto repentance and remission of sins, but not as yet baptized with the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is the birthright of every believer. It was purchased for us by the atoning death of Christ. When he ascended to the right hand of the Father he received the promise of the Father, and shed him forth upon the church, and if anyone today has not the baptism with the Holy Spirit as a "personal experience", it is because he has not claimed his Birthright. The baptism with the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God coming upon the believer, filling his mind with the real apprehension of truth, especially of Christ, taken possession of his faculties, and imparting to him gifts not otherwise his, but qualify him for the service to which God has called him. Jesus commanded his disciples in Acts 1:4 through 5 not to depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the Promise of the Father which says he , ye have heard of me . " For John truly baptized with water, but ye should be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence". It is evident then that the Promise of the Spirit means the baptism with the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2:33 we read, "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He has shed for this which ye now see and hear." It is evident here that the promise is the promise of the gift of the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Peter once again speaks by the Spirit in Acts chapter 2:38 through 39, Then Peter said unto them, " Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you and to your children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call." "It is unto you", said Peter to the crowd assembled before him, there is nothing in that for us. We were not there. That crowd was all Jews and we are not jews. But Peter did not stop there. He went further and said, "and to your children", that is to the next generation of Jews or all future generation of Jews. Still there is nothing in it for us for we are not jews. But Peter did not stop even there , he went further and said, "and to all that are afar off". ... that does take us in! We are the Gentiles who were once far off , but now made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:13. So on the day of Pentecost Peter declared that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is for EVERY child of God in every coming age of the church history. Praise God!!
Most of the Charismatics whom I have heard speaking in tongues are speaking in what sounds like Hindi. None of them have been from India. I am a former Pagan and occultist New Ager. New Ageism (at least in the USA) borrows a *WHOLE LOT* of Hindu religious practices, so Charismatics speaking Hindi isn't really surprising.
I really admire how both of you engaged in respectful dialogue regarding the mutch debated topic of tongues. This was very gentlemanly discussion. Love you both. God bless.
This was a great conversation. I am enjoying seeing the growth of Marcus Rogers. I stopped listening to him years ago and unsubscribe from his channel because he was not lining up with the word. Now with him coming and talking to man of God Like You Cory, it makes me really happy that he is open to learn or at least hear it out.
OMG, I THANK GOD FOR ME SEEING THIS VIDEO 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿 , I THANK GOD for both these men❤, i listen to both of you and its soooooooo amazing to see two men of God sit down and having a good healthy Discussion talking about the word of God and I thought it was a reaction video until I saw the Marcus respond. I was yes this is gonna be amazing dialogue. Thank you guys for showing that two men of God can sit down agree and disagree and still have a mutual respect for each other. I'm so encouraged from this video. I'm in tupelo, Ms at work this definitely added to a great night at work. THANK GOD and thank you y'all 🙌🏿🙏🏿
I wasn’t too sure about speaking of tongues but my personal experience it is a real thing. I am in my 40’s and recently while I was praying and the first time for me, words that I didn’t understand came to me and it was like I had to repeat those words out loud and I did. After I finished praying with those words I just kept saying thank you to God for being able to hear and speak in tongues.
“Speaking in tongues” vs. “Praying in the Spirit” are 2 different things… everyone should be able to pray in the Spirit… not everyone can speak in tongues for that is a special gift to specific people. We are all called to different ministries just like we have different talents as multifaceted humans made in the image of the Almighty GOD.✝️
Bro. Minor, if you wanted to give someone a gift. And they refused it or didn't receive it for whatever reason. Would force that person to receive the gift, that you really wanted them to have? If you wouldn't, the Holy Spirit wouldn't either.💯
“yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.” I Corinthians 14:19 … let’s focus on the gospel not gifts
I agree with the word. This is the evidence of being filled with the spirit. The initial salvation is the seal. I got filled after 4 years of salvation and still flow in the spirit. Corey, you can not say something isn't real or happening because you have not received it. He can't answer to why don't receive you have to go to God for yourself. I don't think you have to see it written everywhere. The rest he'll set in order when he comes. No one has all the revelation of the word. He was talking about confusion in the church.❤
@@frederickweeksjr.1189why they always gotta bring somebody like u to trollling people . Remember to to show the same love Jesus showed you when u cam at his feet 👣
That’s not the end of the story because the Bible says you should seek the gifts. 1 Corinthians 14:1. And more importantly tell people the Gospel, The great commission
He's all over the place adding context that isn't there. This is the issues, they don't like to study word upon word line upon line. They study to hear what they want to hear and move on to get more followers
@@jeprodigalson792 From what I’ve been hearing over the last couple of years Marcus just reads with partial understanding and Corey studies in context. Marcus is hung up on signs and wonders, the devil is a great imitator and these charismatic/word of faith churches spew out a lot of false doctrine they take the WORD to get the SPIRIT to do their will when its supposed to be we yield to the SPIRIT to do the will of the FATHER it’s always believing GOD for material things, promotions on the job etc etc
@@devadams8062 I see it the same way. I pray Marcus sees the full picture soon. These false views and "perspectives" introduce so much opportunity for the enemy to bring confusion and misdirection. We can go back to Corinth or the shakers movement. To me... everything that's comes out of man like a denomination or ministry (brand) are idols. I believe and trust the plain word. Without adding to it. It's so simple.
Wow, awesome discussion between 2 awesome men of God who, I feel, are sincere about getting an understanding and teaching God's word. Keep it up and thank you both for being respectful. I love discussions like this.
You said on a video Bro Corey my algorithm doesn’t show this channel of yours and today this popped up! This is definitely a learning channel! Wow this was beautiful! God was glorified by this conversation! This is how you build up the body of Christ! Thank you brothers for this!
Hebrews 11:6 The evidence of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongue The Bible plainly states that.. Praying in tongues is real, false teachers use this gift to exploit the babes in Christ, for example Brother so and so Is speaking in tongues He must be filled with the Spirit. No interpretation sit down out of order. Praying is to be done in private, as the bible tells us. So if we're praying in tongues in public why?
@@durant350 “he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”” Acts 19:2 NKJV
Paul admonishes us to desire spiritual gifts. So just because we don’t see someone wanting to speak in tongues in the Bible doesn’t mean others didn’t desire the gift of tongues or any spiritual gifts for that matter.
The difference between Corey and Marcus is the difference between a college professor and an elementary school student. Several times Marcus was left without an answer. All he could do was ask Corey to hook him up with his Bible study tools.
APTTMH 🙏 . Out of all the videos I've seen with Marcus and others speaking on the topic of tongues. This is the best one. Marcus had more patience and received your message better and with understanding contrary to others that he'd sat down with. I can tell he enjoyed this conversation, study and break down of the scriptures.
Thank you two for this conversation it was very edifying and enlightening. Love you men of God. We need more of this in the fellowship. God bless you all in Jesus name
Marcus is right. No you don’t have to speak in tongues but Holy Spirit is your Helper. When you don’t know what to pray ,praying in tongues help. Romans 8:26 Holy Spirit knows the mind of the Father. …You don’t have to wear a life preserver swimming out in the middle of the ocean either but it sure will help. In Acts 19 they were saved but had not received Holy Spirit. They received salvation through repentance. Ok, too much typing. 😂
I agree with Marcus!! You don't have to speak in tongues to be saved. However if you want to speak in tongues you can. For me i was saved when i was young... baptized years later ... Years later received the Holy Spirit with the evidence in speaking in tongues...The Spirit came over me and i had no control. When you experience it for yourself there is no denying it. Good civil conversation to both ❤
It doesn't say "unknown" tongue. The word "unknown" was added to the Bible later. It's usually in italics, which indicates that it was added. There's a whole lot of misunderstanding with this and most who promote tongues only do so because of something they were told by somebody else, down through the years. It's a learned behavior. But it's not Biblical in the way that they promote it. Prayers up that we get this straight. I do think it can become a salvation issue, especially when people are faking and lying on the Holy Spirit, which we KNOW is extremely dangerous! Good video.
This has been a great speaking on the Bible and he just poured out a lot of words and a lot of understanding that I understood and someone a few of it but it was it is great that you all have got it together and pour into the Bible I love that let's do this again from pebbles of DC
You never know what is said during speaking in tongues unless interpretation follows ,which also is a gift. When you speak in tongues you're talking to God.
The thief on the cross never spoke in tongues yet he was saved. Gifts are useful tools to help us individually and to edify the church for His glory. What they are not is proof of salvation. Evidence of salvation is fruits of the Holy Spirit. Which is produced overtime because of the sanctification work done within us by the Holy Spirit. Believing by faith the gospel of Jesus as the only life saving Truth to ever be written and spoken by Jesus Hinself is what leads us to repentance for redemption and forgiveness of sins that is only found in Jesus Christ alone.
The thief went to Paradise(Abraha's bossom), not heaven. He was saved under the old covenant because Jesus had yet to die & be resurrected. Y'all love talking about context then run to the their on the cross.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that (no one may boast).
I agree, but your faith causes you to do works. James 2:18 KJV - Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
@@lovepeace9245 Yes, Amen!! Salvation is NOT by *any* WORK...including baptism with the Holy Spirit, baptism by water, etc. It is only by FAITH and believing in our HEART that Jesus is Lord.
Oh my goodness Corey....I admire your understanding of Gods Holy Word and are able to defend your position! So awesome!!! I hope someday Incan get where you are in understanding and interpreting Gods Holy Word!! God bless you! I really really have to study!! Wow!!!! Praise God!!✝️🙏😊👍
No Marcus is wrong! I came out of Charismatic and I believe in Gifts, yes but speaking in Tongues CANT BE FOR EVERYONE because I am a born again Believer sealed with the Holy Spirit and I am not able to speak in Tongues!!!!
The bible says with the evidence of speaking in tongues, some dont some do but all can, if they want the gift God will give it to them.I was slain in the spirit and spoke in tongues the day I got saved 46 years ago did I fall here and there yes I did and God picked me back up and put me on solid ground.
Marc is trying NOT be wrong . He was asked a SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION AND turned it into the dialog we've been listening to. The "tongues" conversation is based on 2 DIFFERENT instances with 2 DIFFERENT groups of people.
Hello, I know people that wants the gift of speaking in tongues but doesn’t have it. I didn’t want the gift nor thought about the gift, but one morning I awaken speaking in tongues (mostly sounds like Spanish but it changes). Didn’t know what I was saying, call a friend pastor of mine, and she said, “God has given you the gift of speaking in tongues “. It’s uncontrollable, when God wants me to speak, I speak. Now I am asking Him for the gift of understanding the gift. Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion. God Bless you. 🙏🏾
Remember, when God knocked down the ladder that they were trying to be able to Heaven not the tower, he separated everybody and gave them different tongues/ languages. Tongues uttered in the spirit or in prayer can be interpreted. It is a conglomerate of existing languages. You just don't know them.
I go to a oneness pentacostal church. I dont agree with everything they teach but pickings are slim where i live, as far as Spirit filled churches...but what he said at 14 minutes 🤯. Great point
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Y’all need to stop focusing on gifts and start looking at fruit. You will know them by their fruit. If you are Holy Spirit fill you must bare the fruit of it. Love, joy, peace, patience,kindness, goodness,faithfulness, and self control
Amen. People want healing powers so they can just point and heal without any work and feel special instead of humbly helping people in need
Yes true
Great point but tongues led 3000 souls to be saved when they heard it in Acts
That’s good ma’am!! 🙌🏾🔥
The gifts can be faked the fruit cannot . Remember this people will say lord lord did I not cast out demons in your name heal the sick in your name and he will say depart from me I never knew you. You can apear to be the most gifted person and not know TMH and his son the messiah.
I don’t always agree with Marcus but I like how humble he is and he seems really sincere. It’s good to see people discussing and even disagreeing but with brotherly love and patience.
Amen🙏
You can be sincerely wrong!
@@nancywells2099that part
@Jimwin2, this has certainly been refreshing godly conversation. I am encouraged by their civility. It is a demonstration to the unbeliever that we as Christians can agree to disagree by merely being slow to speak and quick to listen.
Well done @smartchristians and Pastor Rodgers.
Facts
I agree with Marcus. I do pray with spirit, and with my mind.
Who's walking with the Lord this day, and forever🙏
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To have a "LORD" is to have not the mind of a man. One should seek to serve his fellow man, not to worship a deity. Christ served man....not God.
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I am ! God bless
Me Glory Amen🙌🙌
Tongues is a gift.....you can't learn it or earn it....don't feel bad if you don't have it cuz the Holy Spirit gave you another gift. Hope this helps anyone.
God Bless !
You don’t have to speak in tongues to be saved god bless anyone who’s reading this
God bless you as well.
You too sweetie 🙂
Yes you do read the book of acts
@@johnmilliner5302you calling Jesus a liar? John 11 25-26
@@SwaytekkJohn 11:25-26 says, 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?
What does this have to do with the topic of tongues?
I was raised in church and always believed in God, yet I was filled with the Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit spoke through me when I was 15. I believe all believers speak, if you haven’t then seek God concerning that.
Man I have to say seeing Marcus Mature even in his speech is encouraging
Brother Marcus I agree 1000%with you through experience and the power of God Because the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but are mighty through the pulling down of strong holds I have this revelation 2 Corinthians 10 : 4 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 Tongues are one of the gifts and believe my Brother I exercise it and the Lord Blesses me abundantly I bind demons and cast them back to the pits tongues is not just a gift with no purpose it’s a weapon against the enemy spiritual attacks thank the Lord for this revelations , so Brother Marcus I’m with you Brother I understand Spiritual warfare.
@TEES, Exactly, also the enemy cant understand because thats Gods heavenly language ,I cant pray without ceasing in english but I can in tongues. There also are people who say you cant speak in tongues unless someone interprets they dont understand thats for prophetic tongues like giving a word, but just praying in tongues you dont need an interpreter. God Bless
@teespirit8465 I agree with this wholeheartedly !
Marcus you handled this beautifully
@@paulettebarrow9791 absolutely I love when the Holyghost takes over and the tongues come in
@@teespirit8465 AMEN AND AMEN
@@teespirit8465There is no such thing as binding the devil nor declaring or the decreeing.
There's only 2 Powers active
God's divine power and satanic power. You don't have some special power independent of God. I've been at death bed sides listening to people, speaking in tongues, binding, declaring and decreeing and the person still died.
Then you ask why did they die?
Answer of course: it was God's will. And I agree.
Therefore there's no independent power working inside of us to bring about anything. And we shouldn't and can't command God to do anything. Paul said in prayer and supplication let your requests be known to God. Nowhere in the Bible is there prayer in regards to the declaring and decreeing, or binding. No where does it say we are speaking in a language that Satan doesn't understand. Someone just said it. Why do we need to pray in code when God is more powerful than Satan. He can block anything Satan tries to do. Satan had from Adam & Eve to 30 AD (thousands of years) to hinder salvation through Jesus Christ and couldn't do it. So why do we need to speak in a secret code? Like Corey said, tongues appeared in each region the Apostles/disciples didn't expect them to be. The Ethiopians(a Gentile), that Philip witness to and baptized didn't speak in tongues. I wasn't necessary because tongues would appear at the Gentile home of the Roman Centurion Cornelius in Acts 10:24-35.
And we know the tongues were a confirmation for Peter that Christianity was also for the Gentiles by this response.
Acts 10:34-35 NASBS
“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, [35] but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Why? Because before the persecution of Saul. They were only witnessing to Jews around Jerusalem/Judea. Jesus told them to the Samaritan's and outermost region (Gentiles).
Speaking in tongues means communicating in another language to a person who listens and understands it, but the language is unknown to the speaker. This was a miracle brought about by the holy spirit at Pentecost.
Amen!
There must be an interpreter otherwise it’s just gibberish.
You guys don’t know your Bible and you obviously didn’t just listen to the verses that told you in this video, that there’s multiple uses for tongues not just for interpretation. There is a prayer language we’re only God knows what you’re saying. 1 Corinthians 14:2. Why are you out here casting doubt when it’s in the Bible, it’s like you’re doing Satan’s work.
@@keithp8357 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[b] but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church”
@@keithp8357 6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
I have prayed with 2 of my siblings and they received it. It takes 3 things. 1. Patience 2. A true desire for it because it’s a gift 3. Someone praying with you to receive it.
In the old time church they made you tarry until it came on you. It’s how bad you want it
Glad this happened! I watch Marcus all the time. He’s a Great man to listen to.
I appreciate Marcus's respect for his elders 🫶🏾
Funny
Marcus is Corey elder
@Kamala-n3c Marcus is nobody's spiritual elder. He's a baby at best & a false prophet to test.
This is a faith walk. Sometimes, we make things a lot harder than they really are, and we overthink to the point of unbelief. You can make an argument to work in your favor on any topic. Be ready to answer to God for your personal choices and living despite what man tells you is right or wrong.
The simplicity that is in Christ is definitely lost with some people.
Seriously. Why did he(the host) have to go so deep about a faith filled gift…I don’t understand. Why are you (the host) debating THE WORD?
I don’t desire to debate the Bible but my prayers go out to Pastors Corey I pray he gets the true revelation this conversation was great because it didn’t have a negative back and forth. I wanted to get to the bottom of where Pastors Corey is and when he asked the question when I wanted why didn’t receive told me a lot. The answer is this going through the process of receiving the gift of tongues is simply an act of faith some struggle with this because it’s hard for them to take that first step it’s like asking someone to jump off the boat but you will not jump. You simply just speak and as you take that act of faith you open the door for the Holy Spirit.
Yeah I felt that, too, when Pastor Corey said it. I pray for him to get it. I was the same way, it took me 3 years after I was saved before I spoke in tongues.
This is an excellent example of civility between brothers (both kingdom and DOS). This is what will draw people to the faith.
Amen! 🙏🏽
This is great example of kingdom, that we can discuss and disagree and still be respectful. And acknowledge what is Hell related and salvation. Blessings to you both
Finally someone who can biblically and in love, correct Rogers who’s theologically often in simple error
This was a godly and grace-giving exchange between two brothers. Even if you land on different sides of the issue, thank you both for keeping the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace.
I'm proud of you brothers in Christ, Christian dialogue in a very respectful way...think you Jesus!
Did you forget that Marcus Rodger’s made a false prophey and acted like it was ok? You have to get every single prophecy correct in order to be true.
@@aheartonfire7191 do you have to come on a positive comment and trash it? Maybe you should look inside you own closet see what you need cleaned up. No one is perfect and he admitted to his wrongs which like you are a great example you love pointing out others go have several seats shut up and point at yourself! Always some negative when this was actually a positive conversation and Marcus willing to learn!!! Geez! Sick of people like you!
We receive the HOLYSPIRIT when we believe Paul says NOT ALL HAVE the gift of tongues
The gift is different from prayer language. The gift is used in gathering and another person or that person should interpretation. Refer to 1 Corinthians 14:2 .. the prayer language is for the individual only. I have scripture for all this but typing is tiring. God bless you.
Absolutely
So why did Paul in Acts 19-1:6 pray for believers to receive the Holy Spirit? Obviously the believers didn’t already have the Holy Spirit.
@@veecody Except there is no such thing as a prayer language. Please show the verse where the words "prayer language" is used.
@@veecody facts
As I'm reading the commnents this just hit me, speaking in TONGUES can't and NEVER will save YOU! ONLY THE MESSIAH CAN!
Yes and just bcause u dont speak in tongues isnt proof that youre not saved.
@@rochelleb9843 You are not going to speak in spiritual tongues unless you are save you may go and learn a different language naturally but Spiritually you are not going to speak in those tongues that the Bible refers to unless you are save
no-one said tongues can or will save you.
@@EsiriE true spiritual tongues can only come from. A born again Christian because it’s HolyGhost inspired
@@teespirit8465 what I said has nothing to do with this. I don’t disagree.
The Bible speaks about being speaking in tongues Acts 2:38 ,Acts 19 Amen Brother Marcus
Corey said something very key. He asked , “why didn’t I get the speaking in tongues when I asked?” But in the same breath he said that he was taught not to believe in speaking tongues. What you believe is very important. From the sound of the statement, it appears you believe more in what man told you is not true than what God said is possible. I got the gift of speaking in tongues years later after I got saved. I was in prayer and praying in the Father, son and the Holy Spirit with a friend and then a very warm sensation came over me and then my gift started happening. I in tongues and some very amazing thing has happened to me in doing so. Not all of us have the same gifts and doesn’t mean a person is not saved because they can’t speak in tongues. God gives gift to who so chooses. Paul said that he wishes that all can , but he knew we all wouldn’t.
I pray for people to seek the truth. Marcus is incorrect. Many believers throughout the world don't speak in tongues, and they have God's favor.
Amen!
Nope! True, they don’t and they have No Power!!
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Yes he is incorrect people need to get a formal education meaning in depth knowledge concerning the Bible before they go live…
Marcus is stuck on the gift, not the gifted and His choice to give as HE decides
Amen!
Cory, the reason why when you wanted to speak in tongues and didn’t; is because though we are admonish to desire spiritual gifts, it is still up to the HOLY SPIRIT on when you get it or if you get it at all. The HOLY SPIRIT is the one who delegates the gifts.
There was also a time I desired the gift of tongues and didn’t get it for a while and eventually the HOLY SPIRIT decided to give it to me.
I agree! I kept praying for the gift of tongues and one night it happened. God be the glory.
@@cedricm411 Amen, glory to Jesus forever hallelujah!🙌🏾
I agree with the scriptures. It happened to me just as the Bible said. I just pray we all reason with one another in love. Above all love is the Greatest.
Marcus keeps saying I feel like. It isn't about feelings and emotions. 😊
So the only way to build “yourself up” or build up other people is with tongues? Studying scripture, hearing the word, prayer, singing, love, none of that builds just tongues?
It’s a gift and it took me years to get it. You can interpret tongues as well. I agree with brother Marcus.
We recently studied 1 Corinthians chapter 12, which refers to having the Holy Spirit.
Verse 4 and 5 reads as "4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord."
Regarding the Holy Spirit, verses 29 and 30 asks the rhetorical question "29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers?, are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"
My conclusion is you DON'T have to have the gift of prophesy to be saved, you don't have to be an apostle to be saved or you don't have to speak in tongues to be saved "30 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
@@joerivera7719 Amen and Amen (nx)
God bless you brother! You did a great job helping this brother understand that speaking in tongues actually mean speaking in a language.
Man! this was the best and most respectful bible study on speaking in unknown tongues and sounds (barking, yelling, singing, growling etc) that I have heard. I just loved it! I can speak in unknown tongues too and have been able to for 40 years.
You receive by faith, if you don’t have it, you don’t have faith for it at that time.
That's crazy. Jesus said if you have the faith of a mustard seed. If you have the faith to pray and ask, I would like to believe that's a least mustard seed faith. I get irritated with people throwing it back at the person requesting the gift but don't get it as not having faith or enough faith. Well how much faith does he need? Is it a glass full, a gallon, a bucket? And can we measure it so we can know how hard he needs to tarry to at least reach the minimum faith for tongues. It's like it's faith in your ability to have faith. It's always linked to some nebulous faith that doesn't even make sense to the person who says you didn't have enough faith. So can leave the amount in your response. Thanks
@@RepentOrPerishL133 faith for tongues is not an amount, it’s you don’t have any faith to receive. You can have faith in salvation, but not to receive tongues. You can have faith for a break through to get a job, but no faith to receive healing for sickness in your body. Faith can be looked at like lifting weights, you can being press all day long but you can’t do squats to save your life, so you have muscles for bench pressing but no muscles for squatting. Jesus said your faith has made you whole, your faith has healed you, your faith hath delivered your child from the demon etc
So nice you were able to get someone to come speak with you. I believe this shows Marcus Roger's humility , he doesn't think he is all that in the church that he don't need to be wasting time with people to explain himself, like others. 😒
This was a wonderful conversation!!!! Love it!!! Thank Mr. Corey!!! I’m so glad I found your pages!! 🙌🏼 your videos are a breath of fresh air!!!🙌🏼
The Bible does not teach everyone has to speak in tongues to be saved. It’s not really that hard if you read your Bible or have a knowledgeable teacher. It’s one of many gifts
Indeed as is understanding
That's not true
@William-dt3zl praise the Lord. God says in Romans 8 if you have not my spirit you are none of his. God spirit is the Holy Ghost so you can’t be saved without having the Holy Ghost. “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;”
Mark 16:17 KJV
In 1 Corinthians 12 starting with verse 4 that’s in addition to the nature. Speaking in tongues come with having the Holy Ghost. Jesus taught a life and everyone that followed him live the life because he is the way the truth and life.
Jesus even spoke in tongues in Matthew 27/mark 15 and he is not a respect of persons.
@@DraePouncy God bless tou
U speak blah blah
Belief that speaking in tongues is powerful and makes the one “praying” in tongues to feel empowered is rooted in that persons faith in what they were taught about it and their faith in the individual who shared this “wonderful”knowledge with them. This is increased by them thinking of the masses around them saying this is possible and a gift they have a right to as a child of GOD😢 The power of persuasion has fueled the fallacy of “speaking/ praying in tongues” as believed now.
yes!!
Yes absolutely even religion this applies
I love that this was an honest (but not heated) conversation and these brothers were able to laugh with each other even though the disagree on this topic 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
When I was young person - I wanted the gift and prayed for the gift and it was not until I was an adult that God blessed me with speaking in tongues. During my sorrow God met me with this powerful gift. I can come unto your show and express my experience. When I pray in tongues, it keeps me spiritually sound though not the only vehicle that God uses. Beloved we all have gifts - let us stop these “debates” but seek the lost for Christ all the more. Tongues are real and no one is forced to receive a gift.🙏🏾
Corey, I totally agree with your explation and understanding of the scripture concering tounges.
Well Nancy your agreeing with a false view
The scriptures don't teach that you don't need real Speaking in tongues
Your still wordlyness feeling women
Real God has tooken control of your speech that how he comes in
According to scriptures
You need read Acts and John
@Kamala-n3c Thank you for your interpretation of the scriptures.
During this conversation Marcus said that every time from what he has seen. Where it says and they were filled with the Holy Spirit that they spoke in tongues . But there’s actually a time when they didn’t. Here’s the passage of scripture.
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Thank you 🙏🏼
It doesn't have to say they spoke in tongues. It was established that being filled with the Holy Ghost meant speaking with tongues. It's a repeat of Acts 2, they were filled with the Holy Ghost(spoke in tongues) & then Peter preached boldly & when ask what MUST WE DO to be saved Peter(being filled with the Holy Ghost the Spirit of Truth) said Repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, & you shall receive the Holy Ghost. Every instance after that, when people were filled, they spoke in tongues. So when it's established, it doesn't have to be repeated verbatim. In fact, Peter never says believe, he says repent, but it's established that belief is a requirement.
@FocusedOnDestiny thank you, people act like that the bible recorded every action. The bible didn't record all of Jesus 33 years on earth. If the bible recorded everything, the bible would be so big it would be impossible to read the whole thing
Great way to have this conversation guys! I think the discourse here today was not only informative but encouraging to see it done this way. Praise God for you two brothers!
I think a vital point missed by Corey is that regarding hearing different languages when a person speaking in tongues at Pentacost, it was like ONE person speaking in tongues around TEN people from TEN different regions who only spoke their native tongue, hearing THEIR language being spoken by ONE person. It's like if I spoke in tongues in front of a person who spoke Swahili, a person who spoke German, a person who spoke Mandarin, a person who spoke Latin, etc, ALL CLEARLY UNDERSTAND what I'm saying, simultaneously. THAT'S what was happening at Pentacost. When Marcus is saying, "Well, my mom speaks four different languages, my brother speaks fluent German, etc", who cares? That's not what was happening at Pentacost. Different language speakers heard their respective language at the same time by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Listening to this can cause confusion to the unlearned. I pray in the spirit, and there's a difference in my life, and I'm able to edify or help someone else.
Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit and didn’t speak in any tongue, but spake the Gospel with boldness . (Acts 4:8)
Exactly! Thank you.
Are you saying that Peter did not speak in tongues at all? Even in Chapter 2?
Every soul does matter....may these conversations edify
speaking in tongues is a sign u have be filled with the holy ghost God himself
The receiving of the Holy Spirit was an experience so definite that one could answer yes or no to the question whether they had received the Holy Spirit. Read Acts 19 verse 2. Paul put to the little group of disciples at Ephesus the definite question," did you receive the Holy Ghost when you believed?".These men did not so much as hear whether the Holy Ghost was given to which Paul told them that it had, and he took steps whereby they were definitely baptized with the Holy Spirit before that meeting closed. Is also evident from Galatians 3: 2 that the Holy Spirit is a definite experience of which one may know whether he has received it or not. Paul said to the Believers in Galatia, " this only would I learn of you , received ye the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith ?" They're receiving of the Spirit had been so definite as a matter of personal consciousness that Paul could appeal to it as a ground for his argument . The Bible is clear as day on this as on every other point. It sets forth an experience so definite and so real that one may know whether or not he has received the baptism with the Holy Spirit, and can answer yes or no to the question, " have you received the Holy Spirit ?" The baptism with the Holy Spirit is an operation of the Holy Spirit that is distinct from an additional to his regenerating work . This is evident from Acts 1:5, " for John truly baptized with water but you should be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." It is clear that the disciples had not yet been baptized with the Holy Spirit, and that they were to be baptized not many days later. The men to whom Jesus spoke those words were already new men. They had been so pronounced by our Lord himself when he has said to them in John 15:3, " Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you." What does clean through the word mean? The question is answered in 1Peter 1:23 , "Being born again not of corruptible seed but of Incorruptible by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever ". A little earlier on the same night , Jesus had said to them in John 13:10 , " He that is washed needs not saved to wash his feet but is clean every whit : and you are clean, but not all." The Lord Jesus had pronounced that company of men clean, reborn men, with the exception of the one who never was a reborn man, Judas Iscariot who should betray him. Yet Jesus told the same men in Acts 1: 5 that the baptism with the Holy Spirit was an experience they had not yet realized that still lay in the future. So it is evident that it is one thing to be born again by the Holy Spirit through the word, and something distinct from this and additional to it to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. The people of Samaria in Acts chapter 8 came to faith in Christ by the preaching of Philip , but Peter and John were sent to Samaria for these saved believers to receive the Holy Ghost, " for us yet he was fallen upon none of them, only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus ". They were baptized believers, they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, some of them were most assuredly reborn men, and yet not one of them had received or been baptized with the Holy Spirit. So again it is evident that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an operation of the Holy Spirit distinct from and additional to his regenerating work. A man may be reborn by the Holy Spirit and still not be baptized with the Holy Spirit. In being reborn there is the impartation of Life by the Spirit's power, and the one who receives it is saved, and in the baptism with the Holy Spirit there is a impartation of Power, and the one who receives it is fitted first service.
Let's understand that it was after Cornelius and his family heard the "testimony" of Jesus, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. On the Gentiles was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost for they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God .
The church today is not in a normal condition. A very large part of the church is in the place where the believers in Samaria were before Peter and John came, as was the disciples in Ephesus before Paul came and told them of their larger privilege ....they were baptized believers, baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, baptized unto repentance and remission of sins, but not as yet baptized with the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is the birthright of every believer. It was purchased for us by the atoning death of Christ. When he ascended to the right hand of the Father he received the promise of the Father, and shed him forth upon the church, and if anyone today has not the baptism with the Holy Spirit as a "personal experience", it is because he has not claimed his Birthright.
The baptism with the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God coming upon the believer, filling his mind with the real apprehension of truth, especially of Christ, taken possession of his faculties, and imparting to him gifts not otherwise his, but qualify him for the service to which God has called him.
Jesus commanded his disciples in Acts 1:4 through 5 not to depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the Promise of the Father which says he , ye have heard of me . " For John truly baptized with water, but ye should be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence". It is evident then that the Promise of the Spirit means the baptism with the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2:33 we read, "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He has shed for this which ye now see and hear." It is evident here that the promise is the promise of the gift of the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Peter once again speaks by the Spirit in Acts chapter 2:38 through 39, Then Peter said unto them, " Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you and to your children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
"It is unto you", said Peter to the crowd assembled before him, there is nothing in that for us. We were not there. That crowd was all Jews and we are not jews. But Peter did not stop there. He went further and said, "and to your children", that is to the next generation of Jews or all future generation of Jews. Still there is nothing in it for us for we are not jews. But Peter did not stop even there , he went further and said, "and to all that are afar off". ... that does take us in! We are the Gentiles who were once far off , but now made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:13. So on the day of Pentecost Peter declared that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is for EVERY child of God in every coming age of the church history. Praise God!!
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This is a good interview. Good job explaining the word brother Corey 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 i thank God for Marcus as well.
It just doesn't make sense to communicate with God in a tongue and I have no clue what I'm saying!
Most of the Charismatics whom I have heard speaking in tongues are speaking in what sounds like Hindi. None of them have been from India. I am a former Pagan and occultist New Ager. New Ageism (at least in the USA) borrows a *WHOLE LOT* of Hindu religious practices, so Charismatics speaking Hindi isn't really surprising.
@@TheTrumpReaper interesting because I always say it sounds African when I speak in tongues thank you for that
I really admire how both of you engaged in respectful dialogue regarding the mutch debated topic of tongues. This was very gentlemanly discussion. Love you both. God bless.
This was a great conversation. I am enjoying seeing the growth of Marcus Rogers. I stopped listening to him years ago and unsubscribe from his channel because he was not lining up with the word. Now with him coming and talking to man of God Like You Cory, it makes me really happy that he is open to learn or at least hear it out.
Hilarious
What you believe doesn't even exist with the one God
God is not 3 people and has never been and the the Bible doesn't. Teach it I'm not related to it
OMG, I THANK GOD FOR ME SEEING THIS VIDEO 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿 , I THANK GOD for both these men❤, i listen to both of you and its soooooooo amazing to see two men of God sit down and having a good healthy Discussion talking about the word of God and I thought it was a reaction video until I saw the Marcus respond. I was yes this is gonna be amazing dialogue. Thank you guys for showing that two men of God can sit down agree and disagree and still have a mutual respect for each other. I'm so encouraged from this video. I'm in tupelo, Ms at work this definitely added to a great night at work. THANK GOD and thank you y'all 🙌🏿🙏🏿
I wasn’t too sure about speaking of tongues but my personal experience it is a real thing. I am in my 40’s and recently while I was praying and the first time for me, words that I didn’t understand came to me and it was like I had to repeat those words out loud and I did. After I finished praying with those words I just kept saying thank you to God for being able to hear and speak in tongues.
I love the tone of the conversation, love and respect 🫡
Did Allen Parr really get stuck when talking to Marcus, or did he just get really tired of repeating himself?
“Speaking in tongues” vs. “Praying in the Spirit” are 2 different things… everyone should be able to pray in the Spirit… not everyone can speak in tongues for that is a special gift to specific people. We are all called to different ministries just like we have different talents as multifaceted humans made in the image of the Almighty GOD.✝️
Bro. Minor, if you wanted to give someone a gift. And they refused it or didn't receive it for whatever reason. Would force that person to receive the gift, that you really wanted them to have? If you wouldn't, the Holy Spirit wouldn't either.💯
“yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.”
I Corinthians 14:19 … let’s focus on the gospel not gifts
I agree with the word. This is the evidence of being filled with the spirit. The initial salvation is the seal. I got filled after 4 years of salvation and still flow in the spirit. Corey, you can not say something isn't real or happening because you have not received it. He can't answer to why don't receive you have to go to God for yourself. I don't think you have to see it written everywhere. The rest he'll set in order when he comes. No one has all the revelation of the word. He was talking about confusion in the church.❤
We are saved by FAITH end of story.
Wrong answer......BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH.......PLEASE READ EPHESIANS 2:8-10
@@frederickweeksjr.1189why they always gotta bring somebody like u to trollling people . Remember to to show the same love Jesus showed you when u cam at his feet 👣
@@BLANCODABARBER79he is right though he came with the word
@@adjoa-anima which is how we answer BIBLICAL questions.
That’s not the end of the story because the Bible says you should seek the gifts. 1 Corinthians 14:1.
And more importantly tell people the Gospel, The great commission
He's all over the place adding context that isn't there. This is the issues, they don't like to study word upon word line upon line. They study to hear what they want to hear and move on to get more followers
Who’s all over the place? Corey or Marcus?
@@jeprodigalson792 From what I’ve been hearing over the last couple of years Marcus just reads with partial understanding and Corey studies in context. Marcus is hung up on signs and wonders, the devil is a great imitator and these charismatic/word of faith churches spew out a lot of false doctrine they take the WORD to get the SPIRIT to do their will when its supposed to be we yield to the SPIRIT to do the will of the FATHER it’s always believing GOD for material things, promotions on the job etc etc
@@devadams8062 I see it the same way. I pray Marcus sees the full picture soon. These false views and "perspectives" introduce so much opportunity for the enemy to bring confusion and misdirection. We can go back to Corinth or the shakers movement. To me... everything that's comes out of man like a denomination or ministry (brand) are idols. I believe and trust the plain word. Without adding to it. It's so simple.
Marcus has grown even though some of his doctrine and understanding is off it seems like his heart is right
Wow, awesome discussion between 2 awesome men of God who, I feel, are sincere about getting an understanding and teaching God's word. Keep it up and thank you both for being respectful. I love discussions like this.
You said on a video Bro Corey my algorithm doesn’t show this channel of yours and today this popped up! This is definitely a learning channel! Wow this was beautiful! God was glorified by this conversation! This is how you build up the body of Christ! Thank you brothers for this!
Salvation has nothing to do with Praying and tongues, Or speaking in tongues.
Truth
Hebrews 11:6 The evidence of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongue The Bible plainly states that.. Praying in tongues is real, false teachers use this gift to exploit the babes in Christ, for
example Brother so and so Is speaking in tongues He must be filled with the Spirit. No interpretation sit down out of order. Praying is to be done in private,
as the bible tells us. So if we're praying in tongues in public why?
Where is the scripture or example in the bible that says we receive the Holy Spirit when we believe?
@@durant350 “he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.””
Acts 19:2 NKJV
Paul admonishes us to desire spiritual gifts. So just because we don’t see someone wanting to speak in tongues in the Bible doesn’t mean others didn’t desire the gift of tongues or any spiritual gifts for that matter.
The difference between Corey and Marcus is the difference between a college professor and an elementary school student. Several times Marcus was left without an answer. All he could do was ask Corey to hook him up with his Bible study tools.
Here we go again with Marcus. At this point Cory he’s doing this Intentional
Corey is teaching!!!
Please listen!!!!
APTTMH 🙏 . Out of all the videos I've seen with Marcus and others speaking on the topic of tongues. This is the best one. Marcus had more patience and received your message better and with understanding contrary to others that he'd sat down with. I can tell he enjoyed this conversation, study and break down of the scriptures.
I'm gonna say that it's good when you can share what you believe in love especially when it's not a "Heretic" issue.
This is great. Marcus rightly divided the word at the beginning. Excellent.
I did not learn anything new regarding speaking in tongues... But I love how you both respected each other. Humility please our Lord. Good job guys.
We don't understand because it's the Holy Spirit Is praying not us,
Thank you two for this conversation it was very edifying and enlightening. Love you men of God. We need more of this in the fellowship. God bless you all in Jesus name
Yes being sealed and filled are two different things.
Amen
Amen!
I love the civil discourse. That's how you do it.
Marcus is right. No you don’t have to speak in tongues but Holy Spirit is your Helper. When you don’t know what to pray ,praying in tongues help. Romans 8:26 Holy Spirit knows the mind of the Father. …You don’t have to wear a life preserver swimming out in the middle of the ocean either but it sure will help. In Acts 19 they were saved but had not received Holy Spirit. They received salvation through repentance. Ok, too much typing. 😂
I agree with Marcus!! You don't have to speak in tongues to be saved. However if you want to speak in tongues you can. For me i was saved when i was young... baptized years later ... Years later received the Holy Spirit with the evidence in speaking in tongues...The Spirit came over me and i had no control. When you experience it for yourself there is no denying it. Good civil conversation to both ❤
It doesn't say "unknown" tongue. The word "unknown" was added to the Bible later. It's usually in italics, which indicates that it was added. There's a whole lot of misunderstanding with this and most who promote tongues only do so because of something they were told by somebody else, down through the years. It's a learned behavior. But it's not Biblical in the way that they promote it. Prayers up that we get this straight. I do think it can become a salvation issue, especially when people are faking and lying on the Holy Spirit, which we KNOW is extremely dangerous! Good video.
This has been a great speaking on the Bible and he just poured out a lot of words and a lot of understanding that I understood and someone a few of it but it was it is great that you all have got it together and pour into the Bible I love that let's do this again from pebbles of DC
And that's how a conversation aught to be, with respect. Ended abruptly though
“What I personally believe”
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When he started off with those words… that should tell you all you need to know.
You never know what is said during speaking in tongues unless interpretation follows ,which also is a gift. When you speak in tongues you're talking to God.
Tongues is a actual language. Not jibble, jabble, Like you here in the churches today.
Exactly. Known languages.
Truth
The thief on the cross never spoke in tongues yet he was saved. Gifts are useful tools to help us individually and to edify the church for His glory. What they are not is proof of salvation. Evidence of salvation is fruits of the Holy Spirit. Which is produced overtime because of the sanctification work done within us by the Holy Spirit. Believing by faith the gospel of Jesus as the only life saving Truth to ever be written and spoken by Jesus Hinself is what leads us to repentance for redemption and forgiveness of sins that is only found in Jesus Christ alone.
The thief went to Paradise(Abraha's bossom), not heaven. He was saved under the old covenant because Jesus had yet to die & be resurrected. Y'all love talking about context then run to the their on the cross.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith.
And this is not your own doing;
it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that (no one may boast).
One of my favorite verses. It is so powerful and makes me praise the Lord! Pray
I agree, but your faith causes you to do works.
James 2:18 KJV - Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
@@lovepeace9245 Yes, Amen!! Salvation is NOT by *any* WORK...including baptism with the Holy Spirit, baptism by water, etc. It is only by FAITH and believing in our HEART that Jesus is Lord.
Love this conversation between them. We need 100% of the word preached!!
Oh my goodness Corey....I admire your understanding of Gods Holy Word and are able to defend your position! So awesome!!! I hope someday Incan get where you are in understanding and interpreting Gods Holy Word!! God bless you! I really really have to study!! Wow!!!! Praise God!!✝️🙏😊👍
From understanding tongues are a gift NOT for everyone but a gift from God to certain individuals
No Marcus is wrong! I came out of Charismatic and I believe in Gifts, yes but speaking in Tongues CANT BE FOR EVERYONE because I am a born again Believer sealed with the Holy Spirit and I am not able to speak in Tongues!!!!
The bible says with the evidence of speaking in tongues, some dont some do but all can, if they want the gift God will give it to them.I was slain in the spirit and spoke in tongues the day I got saved 46 years ago did I fall here and there yes I did and God picked me back up and put me on solid ground.
Marc is trying NOT be wrong . He was asked a SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION AND turned it into the dialog we've been listening to. The "tongues" conversation is based on 2 DIFFERENT instances with 2 DIFFERENT groups of people.
Im so glad i understand.
You have to speak in tounges to receive the Holy Spirit
It's the other way around, you have to receive the Holy spirit in order to speak in tounges
Hello, I know people that wants the gift of speaking in tongues but doesn’t have it. I didn’t want the gift nor thought about the gift, but one morning I awaken speaking in tongues (mostly sounds like Spanish but it changes). Didn’t know what I was saying, call a friend pastor of mine, and she said, “God has given you the gift of speaking in tongues “. It’s uncontrollable, when God wants me to speak, I speak. Now I am asking Him for the gift of understanding the gift. Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion. God Bless you. 🙏🏾
Pray for you to interpret or ask God what people group language do you want me to share with
I appreciate this match-up discussion
Remember, when God knocked down the ladder that they were trying to be able to Heaven not the tower, he separated everybody and gave them different tongues/ languages.
Tongues uttered in the spirit or in prayer can be interpreted.
It is a conglomerate of existing languages. You just don't know them.
I go to a oneness pentacostal church. I dont agree with everything they teach but pickings are slim where i live, as far as Spirit filled churches...but what he said at 14 minutes 🤯. Great point