For some reason I really want to hear that rebuttal about pagans in the voice of Dana Carvey's church lady. Now who is it that believes in created gods? Who could it be? Could it be PAGANS?
@Harrison Lee It is indeed a good point. Just because two things are similar doesn't mean they're the same. Christians pray to their God; pagans pray to their gods. Christians baptize by immersing in water; ancient pagans practiced ritual cleansings with water. Pagans worshipped the sun; Old Testament prophecy called Christ the "Sun of Righteousness" (Malachi 4: 2). Even if it could be proven that any Christian belief or practice was taken from paganism, it means little. Paul addressed this issue in 1 Corinthians when tackling the question of whether it was permissible to eat food offered to idols. In short, he said not to worry about it because idols by definition are false gods and thus have no power. Offering food to a false god does nothing to it because a false god can't consecrate food, or anything else for that matter. The same principle would apply to any alleged "paganism" in Christian traditions and doctrines.
@@convert2islaam500 Jesus said some of you who are standing here will see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” in their lifetime, I thought that this was a typo but since Paul made this same failed prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 We can assume that this verse was added into the Bible
+OurHumbleLife The fact that differences and qualifications change the meaning (that who you pray to matters for example). Like how 'three' as a commonality doesn't mean the three means the same thing (personality, quantity and divinity aren't the same thing, for example). Thy don't care. They just see 'three' and refuse to let go of the idea that it was stolen from pagans.
Exactly!! Western Christians unfortunately have no church fathers😔 So they end up ignorant on history that predates the denomination that was created and the earliest in the 16th Century. I’m very lucky as part of Assyrian church we study all Fathers and Martyrs. Similar to the Book of Martyrs by John Fox that the Puritans placed secondary importance along the bible and religiously studied, so do Assyrian Christians, and we Martyrs of all Christian back grounds to include William Tyndale.
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
@@David-xh5dfJohn 17:20-21, “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me." Clearly, I and the Father are one," is not a Trinitarian statement, but that the Father and the Son are one in purpose. It might be more convincing, if He said, "I, the Father, and the Holy Ghost, are one."
Thisw guy is an ignoramous. He hasn't done any real study. He just want to use false argurments. As a Pagan. One that is knowledgable, would agree with me. My wife did, now she's my ex wife.
@@Divinecter How do you say someone is a bullshitter in a nice way? The academic discipline of philosophy is just words. Here's "The Philosopher's Song:" Come, let's light the crack pipes, Willy We'll draw on them both hard and long We'll talk about the sound of one hand clapping And then we'll sing a mystic, purple song.
The bible has been attacked by non believers for over 2,000 years. Most of the criticism comes from misinterpretations, misunderstandings, lies and attempts to claim it as stories from other sources. All these fallacies have been disproved and the Bible is still here. The TRUTH cannot be destroyed these acts only serve to strengthen the Bibles words. Glory to God the almighty.
George Bond They are still the same old arguments as well if you think about it, just in different languages wordings and expressions. The modern and past arguments are basically the same because it is the same idea.
Yes! I just proved that the infamous and vicious Chinese gang "The Triads" stole their name from the Indian Hindu gods that came in threes!!! I'm a genius!
The closest thing to the Christian Trinity I can think of is the Trimurti of Hinduism. However, unlike the Christian belief, the gods of the Trimurti are three different gods who are manifestations of the eternal spirit Brahman. Also, unlike in the Christian Trinity, all the persons of the Trimurti have incarnations (but the second person of the Trimurti- Vishnu- has the most popularly known incarnations, i.e. Rama and Krishna). The Holy Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost is a unique doctrine to Christianity.
"You know who also believes in created gods?... PAGANS!" LOL that comment made me laugh. Its funny because its true. Keep up the good work. God bless :)
@@thetrinitybusters hahah! Arguing in the comment section of a video on RUclips is so productive! Especially when the comment is 6 years old!!!!! And then if that is not enough, let's make it a personal attack on people you don't even know! You must have a grand following and are really making a difference in the world. Repent and believe the gospel. The Gospel ordained in eternity past by God the Father, secured by the atoning work of God the Son, and applied by the working power of God the Holy Spirit.
@@FirstBaptistChurchBoron Anyone who readily follows something that is not in the Bible, must be easy to deceive. What would your congregation members ask you, if you did read and break down Daniel 7:9-14 to them? Also Jesus went back to heavenalmost two thousand years ago, so six years is nothing.
1.Psalm 110 The Lord says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." And verse 5 says, "The Lord is at your right hand." 2.Judges 9 shows the angel of the Lord as Lord by accepting worship from Gideon. Only to find the angel of the Lord talking to the Lord in Zechariah 1:12. 3.The 3 visitors of Abraham were worshipped at different times and locations as Lord by both Abraham and Lot. People, scripture is clear.
I'm really glad I came across your channel IP. Finally some intelligent, fact, and scriptural based presentations to counter the non stop onslaught from these "man made" religions attacking traditional and orthodox Christianity. As a member of a traditional mainstream Christian Chruch, I am constantly bombarded, ridiculed, insulted, looked down upon by other faiths and by my supposed brothers and sisters in Christ claim their way is the only way. They have given me there usually nonsense just like you described in this video and others, telling me to turn to God and repent. I've just stopped listening to them altogether now. I know there'll be another onslaught of attacks on this comment I'm posting, but at least the mute button is available. Keep these videos coming!
Rick OnTheDrums *Is Jesus God or is He the Son of God ?* Jesus said that He was not the Father more than 80 times. While remaining one in purpose and unity, Jesus and the Father are clearly two separate and distinct beings. On more than one occasion, the Father spoke to Jesus from heaven. “And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased'.” (Matthew 3:17) Either Jesus and the Father are two separate beings or Jesus was an expert ventriloquist. Jesus “asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am ? So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say that I am ? Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 16:13-17) This passage says that the FATHER who is in HEAVEN, revealed to Peter, that JESUS who was on EARTH, is none other than His Son. So what would you say if Jesus asked you who He was ? Would you say, “you are part of some 3 in 1 god and just role playing a son ?” Or would you be able to answer as Peter did ? “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Scripture in fact calls Jesus the Son of God over and over again,.but it never calls Him “god the son.” But how do we reconcile Hebrews and John chapter 1 which refer to Jesus as God ? These verses have confused many and yet the answer is so simple. The word God is used in two different ways in Scripture. Firstly, the word “God” is used to refer to the Supreme Being of the universe who is the ultimate source of all things. Every time the Bible refers to the one true God, it is referring to this supreme being who is the one that was before all else and from whom all life ultimately came. In this sense no one else is God. But the word God is also used to refer to someone who possesses the attributes of divinity, or the characteristics of God. Since Christ is the same substance of His Father, everything He consists of had no beginning. His divinity had no beginning, His makeup; His nature had no beginning as it all came from the Father. So in principle, everything Christ is had no beginning. If you trace Christ back you will have to go through the Father and you will never get to a beginning. But His personality as the Son of God began when He was brought forth by His Father. So Christ is essentially God in infinity but not in personality. His personality began when He was brought forth from the Father in the days of eternity or days of everlasting. This is the time before all things were created when there was nothing to measure time by. So in effect it was only the personality of Christ as the Son of God that had a beginning. So when we say Christ is God, we mean that He is the same substance of His Father and hence has the same God nature as His Father, but He is not God the Father. Scripture always calls Jesus the “Son of God,” but NEVER “god the son” as Trinitarians do, and with very good reason. “Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. HE WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT CREATED. He is of the SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, so that IN HIS VERY NATURE HE IS GOD; and since this is so “it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.” Col. 1:19 ... While BOTH ARE OF THE SAME NATURE, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while CHRIST'S PERSONALITY HAD A BEGINNING.” (E.J. Waggoner, ST, April 8, 1889) “This name [God] was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement, but it is His by right of inheritance. Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because “He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.” Heb. 1:4 A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as “the only begotten Son of God,” has rightfully the same name. A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has, to some extent, the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind. But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works; and so Christ is the “express image” of the Father's person. Heb. 1:3 As the Son of the self-existent God, he has by nature all the attributes of Deity. It is true that there are many sons of God; but Christ is the “only begotten Son of God,” and therefore the Son of God in a sense in which no other being ever was, or ever can be. The angels are sons of God, as was Adam (Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14,15); but CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD BY BIRTH. The writer to the Hebrews further shows that the position of the Son of God is not one to which Christ has been elevated, but that it is one which He has by right.” (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p. 11-12) “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;” (Colossians 1:19) Why does “all the fullness of the Godhead” dwell in Christ bodily ? Because Jesus is the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15), and being brought forth from the Father, He has the same “divine nature” as He is the same substance as the Father. John 5:26 also tells us that the Father gave life to His Son. “For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.” (John 5:26) If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. But Scripture reveals this is impossible. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "Satan's Last Day Theology" ruclips.net/video/oGr_n8oqOHw/видео.html
Adam 1984 all that to say, and just one scripture to refute it. Of course there are many more but. I will focus on one. John 5:17,18. But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." 18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. Jesus was teaching that he is the Son of God. The Jews clearly understood this to mean equality with God and for that the Jews sought to kill him. Son of God =equal to God. So your interpretations of what your scriptures say are incorrect. Let scripture interpret scripture as Philippians 2 explains John 5:26 perfectly, in that he humbled himself, temporarily left his glory and came in the LIKENESS of sinful man. Thus, the Father gave to him all he would need.
I love at 8:55 -8:58 when you draw the comparisons between Jehovahs witnesses and pagans, "you know who else believes in created gods?..... Pagans!" Just good old fashioned bluntness. Hilarity did insue. XD
Jacob Brown bet u don't worship the God that jesus worships.......matt 4;10 jesus has a God he worships .....but Trinitarian Christians don't worship his God........why? ....He is the God of Jesus true disciples.........matt:4:10
rawbrutaltruth we recognize that Jesus has a God. The Father is his God. The Father is the supreme person in the Godhead so thats why Jesus worships him. He believe Jesus is God in the sense of his nature. God is not a proper noun to describe Jesus but rather a descriptive noun.
rawbrutaltruth My God is Yahweh the only true God. He has a Son named Jesus (or Yahshua). GOD's Son is eternal and is by nature deity. I worship both as described in Rev. 4-5.
rawbrutaltruth Yes I am Trinitatian, BUT not in the normal sense of the word. I am a Reformed Southern Baptist. But I dont agree with every thing my church teaches even though my dad is the pastor. When i pray i pray to the Father. When i worship i worship the Father and Son. When I say God i am refering to the Father. I believe in one God the Father who exists in himself and not begotten and he has been eternally pouring his divine essence (or being) into the Son and begetting (or generating) him {Heb 1:3 and 5, John 1:1 and 18, 3:16, and 17:1-5 and Proverbs 8:22 etc.}. I believe the Spirit has eternally proceeded from the Father and the Son {John 14:26; 15:26}. I believe all three members are fully by nature deity but the Father is above the other two members in command not in deity.{John 17:3} I believe Jesus is by nature God not by person. I believe he has all the aspects of deity and is eternal. His existence derives from the Father.
Thank you for adding a new video. This was done very well, and as there are a lot of ridiculous claims out there I am impressed you were able to explain it in such a short time. Definitely agree with you.
@@thetrinitybusters "'In what did Second Temple Judaism consider the uniqueness of the one God to consist, what distinguished God as unique from all other reality, including beings worshipped as gods by Gentiles?, the answer given again and again, in a wide variety of Second Temple Jewish literature, is that the only true God, YHWH, the God of Israel, is sole Creator of all things and sole Ruler of all things. While these characteristics are by no means sufficient to identify God (since they say nothing, for example, about his goodness or his justice), they are the features which most readily distinguish God absolutely from all other reality. God alone created all things; all other things, including beings worshipped as gods by Gentiles, are created by him. God alone rules supreme over all things; all other things, including beings worshipped as gods by Gentiles, are subject to him. These ways of distinguishing God as unique formed a very easily intelligible way of defining the uniqueness of the God they worshipped which every Jew in every synagogue in the late Second Temple period would certainly have known. However diverse Judaism may have been in many other respects, this was common: only the God of Israel is worthy of worship because he is sole Creator of all things and sole Ruler of all things. Other beings who might otherwise be thought divine are by these criteria God's creatures and subjects."-Richard Bauckham, biblical scholar Isa. 40:26, 28; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12, 18; 48:13; 51:16; Neh. 9:6; Hos. 13:4 LXX; 2 Macc. 1:24; Sir. 43:33; Bel 5; Jub. 12:3-5; Sib. Or. 3:20-35; 8:375-76; Sib. Or. frg. 1:5-6; Sib. Or. frg. 3; Sib. Or. frg. 5; 2 En. 47:3-4; 66:4; Apoc. Ab. 7:10; Ps-Sophocles; Jos. Asen. 12:1-2; T. Job 2:4. Dan. 4:34-35; Bel 5; Add. Esth. 13:9-11; 16:18, 21; 3 Macc. 2:2-3; 6:2; Wis. 12:13; Sir. 18:1-3; Sib. Or. 3:10, 19; Sib. Or. frg. 1:7,15,17,35; 1 En. 9:5; 84:3; 2 En. 33:7; 2 Bar. 54:13; Josephus, A.J. 1:155-6. "...Whereas the inclusion of Jesus in the eschatological sovereignty of God is found in all the New Testament literature, his inclusion in the work of creation is less widespread, but is found in 1 Corinthians, Colossians, Hebrews, Revelation and the Gospel of John. Since it is of less direct relevance to most of the concerns of the New Testament writers, this is not surprising. What is noteworthy is that in three of these cases (1 Corinthians, Hebrews and John) the purpose, in my view, is precisely to express Jewish monotheism in christological terms. It is not that these writers wish to say anything about the work of creation for its own sake or even that they wish to say anything about the relationship of Christ to creation for its own sake, but that they wish precisely to include Jesus Christ in the unique divine identity. Including him precisely in the divine activity of creation is the most unequivocal way of excluding any threat to monotheism-as though Jesus were a subordinate demigod while redefining the unique identity of God in a way that includes Jesus. To illustrate the point, we shall examine the earliest of these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:6. This passage in its context reads: 'Hence, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that 'there is no idol in the world' and that 'there is no God except one.' 'Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth -as in fact there are many gods and many lords -but for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we for him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and we through him.' Paul's concern in this context is explicitly monotheistic. The issue of eating meat offered to idols and participation in temple banquets is an instance of the highly traditional Jewish monotheistic concern for loyalty to the only true God in a context of pagan polytheistic worship. What Paul does is to maintain this Jewish monotheistic concern in a Christian interpretation for which loyalty to the only true God entails loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ. He takes up from the Corinthians' letter (at the end of verse 4) the typical Jewish monotheistic formula 'there is no God except one' in order to agree with it and to give, in verse 6, his own fuller monotheistic formulation, which contrasts the 'many gods and many lords' of the Corinthians' pagan environment (verse 5) with the one God and one Lord to whom Christians owe exclusive allegiance. Verse 6 is a carefully formulated statement, a. but for us [there is] one God, the Father, b. from whom [are] all things and we for him, c. and one Lord, Jesus Christ, d. through whom [are] all things and we through him. The statement has been composed from two sources, both clearly recognizable. One is the Shema`, the classic Jewish statement of the uniqueness of God, taken from the Torah itself, recited twice daily by all observant Jews...It is now commonly recognized that Paul has here adapted the Shema° and produced, as it were, a Christian version of it. Not so widely recognized is the full significance of this. In the first and third lines of Paul's formula (labelled a and c above), Paul has, in fact, reproduced all the words of the statement about YHWH in the Shema` (Deut. 6:4: 'The LORD our God, the LORD, is one'), but Paul has rearranged the words in such a way as to produce an affirmation of both one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. It should be quite clear that Paul is including the Lord Jesus Christ in the unique divine identity. He is redefining monotheism as christological monotheism. If he were understood as adding the one Lord to the one God of whom the Shema` speaks, then, from the perspective of Jewish monotheism, he would certainly be producing, not christological monotheism, but outright ditheism. The addition of a unique Lord to the unique God of the Shema` would flatly contradict the uniqueness of the latter. The only possible way to understand Paul as maintaining monotheism is to understand him to be including Jesus in the unique identity of the one God affirmed in the Shema. But this is, in any case, clear from the fact that the term 'Lord', applied here to Jesus as the 'one Lord, is taken from the Shema` itself. Paul is not adding to the one God of the Shema` a 'Lord' the Shema` does not mention. He is identifying Jesus as the 'Lord' whom the Shema` affirms to be one. Thus, in Paul's quite unprecedented reformulation of the Shema`, the unique identity of the one God consists of the one God, the Father, and the one Lord, his Messiah. Contrary to what many exegetes who have not sufficiently understood the way in which the unique identity of God was understood in Second Temple Judaism seem to suppose, by including Jesus in this unique identity Paul is certainly not repudiating Jewish monotheism, whereas were he merely associating Jesus with the unique God he certainly would be repudiating monotheism."-bible scholar Richard Bauckham, Jesus and the God of Israel: God Crucified and Other Studies on the New Testament's Christology of Divine Identity John 1:1-5; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:15-16; Heb. 1:2-3, 10-12; Rev. 3:14. The 'our' of the Shema` appears as the 'for us' at the beginning of Paul's reformulation. F.F. Bruce, I and 2 Corinthians (NCB; London: Oliphants, 1971), 80; D.R. de Lacey, "'One Lord" in Pauline Christology,' in Christ the Lord, ed. Harold H. Rowdon (D. Guthrie FS; Leicester: IVP, 1982), 191-203; Dunn, Christology, 180; Hurtado, One God, 97; N. Thomas Wright, The Climax of the Covenant (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1991), 128-9; D.A. Hagner, 'Paul's Christology and Jewish Monotheism,' in Perspectives on Christology, ed. M. Shuster and R. Muller (P.K. Jewett; Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1991), 28-9; Neil Richardson, Paul's Language about God (JSNTSup 99; Sheffield: JSOT Press, 1994), 300; B. Witherington III, Jesus the Sage (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1994), 316.
The Bible states that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God. Thus you can make the inference that this is what makes up the Trinity, just because the Bible doesn’t say the word “trinity” doesn’t mean it isn’t factual. “Trinity” is the term to define the relationship between the three. We know God is “omniscient” by way God is described in the Bible, yet the word isn’t in there. They are the terms used to refer to what is stated and described in the Bible.
YHWH set the standard for declaration of His identify throughout Bible history - 'I AM YHWH YOUR GOD...' That being said, there are no such declarations made by Jesus anywhere, and in all of Bible history. Likewise, nowhere in scripture is Jesus ever identified as the Most High GOD, the only true GOD, GOD Almighty - but moreso, and when the title of given onto the son in power, we find that the son is identified as a God with a GOD above Him - just as it was with His forefather David, and who was seated upon the very same throne. And so contrary to your claim, the Bible does not 'state' that Jesus is GOD, and the Holy Spirit is GOD and the Father is GOD - but moreso, the Bible reveals that there is rank and order within GOD's divine ruleship, and that He alone, is at the source of all things, and in-contrast with Jesus who is not the source, but in subjection to said source. And finally, what you are referring to as the Holy Spirit, is in-effect GOD, in-that GOD is a spirit - as-is, GOD's divine will carried out through agency. That is why we can survive sinning against Jesus, but not the Spirit. That is also why, we can say without a doubt that the Spirit and the Son are not equals.
Why would the early Church "steal" the Trinity from paganism, when they could have learned about God's Triune nature in the Old Testament... Great video BTW, BIG THUMBS UP!
+DaneStolthed god triune nature never found in the old testament... this is an after fact justification.... you believe in trinity, then you try to find trinity in the old testament.... if you had believed in Quaternity, you whould also found Quaternity in the old testament....
Logia1978 There are many references to the Trinity in the Old Testament just Google it for yourself, unless of course your dogmatic in your belief of God's eternal nature...
DaneStolthed There are not.... those reference are after fact justifications too... if you have believed in quaternity, you would have found quaternity in the old testament too...
gabehman I know that god does not need sacrifice and hate burnt offering. Hosea 6:6 New International Version For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
For those wondering what the early Church Fathers taught regarding the deity of Christ. They absolutely taught and believed Jesus Christ was the one same God as the Father and the Holy Spirit. 1. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-117): For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit. 2. Ignatius (c. 50-117): Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life. 3. Ignatius (c. 50-117): For our God Jesus Christ is more visible now that he is in the Father. 4. Ignatius (c. 50-117): I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise, for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. 5. Ignatius (c. 50-117): Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered, who for our sake endured in every way. 6. Polycarp of Smyrna (69-155): Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth . . ., and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead. 7. Epistle of Barnabas (written c. 70-130): “If the Lord submitted to suffer for our souls, even though he is Lord of the whole world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, “Let us make humankind according to our image and likeness,” how is it, then, that he submitted to suffer at the hands of humans?” 8. Justin Martyr (100-165): And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said. 9. Justin Martyr “Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.” 10. Justin Martyr Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ. 11. Justin Martyr The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin . . .” 12. Justin Martyr For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God. 13. Tatian (110-172): We do not act as fools, O Greeks, nor utter idle tales when we announce that God was born in the form of man. 14. Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180): “He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body - God put to death! . . . [I]n order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened-because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree. . . . This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.” 15. Irenaeus of Lyon (120-202): “For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man. . . . He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; - all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.” 16. Irenaeus (120-202): “He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.” 17. Irenaeus (120-202): “Christ Jesus [is] our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.” 18. Irenaeus (120-202): “Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.” 19. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215): “This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man-the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal. . . . . . . The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher; that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends” 20. Tertullian (c. 160-225): For God alone is without sin; and the only man without sin is Christ, since Christ is also God.” 21. Tertullian “Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God, as light of light is kindled. . . . That which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. In this way also, as He is Spirit of Spirit and God of God, He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature; and He did not withdraw from the original source, but went forth. This ray of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb, is in His birth God and man united.” 22. Hippolytus (c. 170-235): “The Logos alone of this God is from God himself; wherefore also the Logos is God, being the substance of God.” 23. Caius (c. 180-217) [in response to those who would question the deity of Christ] “Perhaps what they allege might be credible, did not the Holy Scriptures, in the first place, contradict them. And then, besides, there are writings of certain brethren older than the times of Victor, which they wrote against the heathen in defense of the truth, and against the heresies of their time: I mean Justin and Miltiades, and Tatian and Clement, and many others, in all which divinity is ascribed to Christ. For who is ignorant of the books of Irenaeus and Melito, and the rest, which declare Christ to be God and man? All the psalms, too, and hymns of brethren, which have been written from the beginning by the faithful, celebrate Christ the Word of God, ascribing divinity to Him.” 24. Origen (c. 185-254): “Jesus Christ . . . in the last times, divesting Himself (of His glory), became a man, and was incarnate although God, and while made a man remained the God which He was.” 25. Novatian of Rome (c. 210-280) “For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God Himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth Him to be the Son of God only, but also the Son of man; nor does it only say, the Son of man, but it has also been accustomed to speak of Him as the Son of God. So that being of both, He is both, lest if He should be one only, He could not be the other. For as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that He must be believed to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus Christ the Son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called also God and the Son of God”
The truth of GOD was never dependent on religious traditions - Jesus demonstrated this by exposing perils of religious traditions with the truth of GOD - taking note, that there are no religious institutions or churches between salvation and GOD - only Jesus Christ And so this notion that we should look to religious institutions and traditions for the truth proves to be nothing but a fools arrand, as the truth was written for all who seek it, and perhaps more to the point, as a means to protect us from the lies and deceptions of false religions.
Excellent video. Thanks for the leg work you did to put this video together. Ive always wanted someone to approach this issue from this exact perspective. Thank you!
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all, it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Not to mention that the “THE TRINITY IS PAGAN” people typically distort or make up the family relationships between the pagan gods they accuse the Trinity of ripping off.
@@Mclinkin94 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Another masterpiece of confusion. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Awesome video! People underestimate Satan too much. Beforing being the accuser, Satan delighted before the presence of God, so much that he wanted to be like God. They forget all false religions and created gods are inspired by Satan through the which he seeks worship. Therefore, why is it a surprise to many that paganism almost, but not completely, resembles the identity of the True Living God? Most of the time is triad in these cases...Where did they get these ideas if not from the being that was once in Gods presence and desired to be like God?
Slightly off-topic, but do you see any relationship between Christ and Kalki? Do you think they are talking about the same thing? (I don't mean one being derived from another).
blessings!!! I needed to see a light a the end of the dark comments at the university, my professors and students. keep the light of truth shinning. Is there a book you can recommend?
Making know of some minor differences and thereby denying for what it is, does not change what it is! So what there are many types of Trinities. It's worship given to a 3 in 1 God. It's Pagan! The Trinity is not only Pagan it's unscriptural! I don't even need to know the history of it being rooted in Paganism ... it's simply unscriptural. It's not in the Bible! "God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind." - Number 23: 19 What is God nature???
@@thetrinitybusters Yelp ... you give them scripture after scripture proving their doctrine is ridiculous they just keep doing the same thing and avoid those scriptures and just keep twisting the few scripture they use to teach the trinity. What really mind boggling is Jesus himself debunked the issue of being equal John chapter 5. In John chapter 8 Jesus calls his accusers liars and that their Father is Satan. So the fact is Trinitarians believe Jesus accusers who are liars who Father is actually Satan. So yeah its pagan and thus it comes from Satan himself. And what's really mind boggling they don't believe Jesus whom they say is their God. *What a paradox!*
To answer your question, the first Trinity concept to be taken up by the Catholic fathers was that of Philo of Alexandria. He was the one who first mentions "the three persons of the trinity." He also taught that the "logos" was preexistent with the Father.
So where does he say that? Because I have read Philo, have you? Never once does he "trinity" and he was not a trinitarian. He was more similar to the later arians, since he said the memra was a created being. Philo was also not a catholic father, he was a Jew.
I wrote a book on Philo's Trinity. He was Trinitarian and the first to have a revelation from his own soul, describing the Godhead as three. Have you read Eusebius' Ecclesiastical Church History? He disagrees with you on the issue of Philo being involved with the Catholic Church. I am just posting this to make you aware that there is a connection between the pagan trinities and the Catholic Church.
It is an issue of history. Philo wrote during the life of Christ. There is no evidence he called Christ savior, and again, he said the memra was a created being. And again, allow me to quote Philo this time, "In the same manner God, being his own light, is perceived by himself alone, nothing and no other being co-operating with or assisting him, a being at all able to contribute to pure comprehension of his existence; But these men have arrived at the real truth, who form their ideas of God from God, of light from light" (De Praemiis et Poenis, 45-46).
Daaaang IP, you sound really frustrated in this video. I would be too if I was you. Guess we can both sympathize with Saint Nicholas when he punched Arius. ;) I like your points. To be honest with you, I kind of like the facts that Plato and even Hinduism had a concept of God or some divine triad. It tells me God has been discovered, but it wasn't until Christianity where full revelation was revealed. I think the God of the Hindus could actually be the true God, but interpreted in a Hindu way. Same with Zoroastrianism, and if you know the Bible, they had a good relationship with the Jews after they basically rescue them from Babylon. This i s not just for the trinity, but for monotheism in general. Socrates is said to be a monotheist. Probably the first monotheist in Greece, and he had no influences! He was killed for not believing the traditional Greek gods. God has been discovered, but interpreted in ways that cultures could understand. Even the early Israelites did it when being henotheist. But, eventually God has been revealed in the fullest by later Judaism and Christianity. I like the Neoplatonist conception of a divine triad. The One the Nous and the World Soul. It was influenced by Christianity, and some of the ideas Plotinus had for it are interesting and can be compatible with Christianity. It has been said that it was not Christianity turned into Greek philosophy, but later Christians turning Greek philosophy into Christianity. What was compatible with Christianity in Greek philosophy, the fathers used it. They could see such concepts as somehow revealed by God, or discovered about God in the past before Christianity. Saint Justin Martyr even calls early Greek philosophers as, "Christians before Christ."
@@convert2islaam500 Do u know who told to do idol of jesus mary and many other saints through the hands of a skillful craftmen? It is not God. It was pope who told to. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
@@delphiesmiles2423 God told Israel to make statues of cherubim (angelz) and put them in the temple of God, God also told Moses to make a serpent of brass for Israel, You probably even have pictures of relatives in your wallet or purse, or on the dresser at home, so why can't Catholics have pictures or statues of Mary, Jesus, or Saints? Catholics don't pray to the statues or icons,
If you are going to cite my work why not provide your viewers with a link to the video you are alluding to? Wouldn't that be the honest thing to do instead of setting up a strawman to box around? Here, here is a link ruclips.net/video/Svs5qxhZ1mQ/видео.html And if anyone has sincere questions I am always available to answer them
I always call it " now for a little light reading " with the link ...you know I never cheat ...present tense alluded .. miss you round the round table ...
How can you prove the Trinity from John 1:1 since this verse is prior to the Incarnation since the verse presents Two in Eternity not 3? Fact is that the original duality is also presented in Revelation 22:1 the Throne of God and the Lamb. So where is the throne of the Trinity and why isn't the Holy Spirit worshiped? Only Two are presented on the throne of Revelation 22:1 as being worshiped. You will not find one verse that sanctions the worship of the Holy Spirit in the Bible. Yet at the same time the Holy Spirit is not a force and is not an energy and can be blasphemed and is of the Godhead. So can you explain this?
Unlikely that you are going to get a trinitarian replying to you. They usually get confused when I bring out these verses in Revelation and in Daniel 7.
I really like InspiringPhilosophy, and think that he seems like a genuinely likeable guy. Regarding this idea, though, it isn't necessary to show that the Trinity borrowed from specific elements of paganism to discount it, but to show that there are sufficient essential similarities between it and paganism to call it into question. For example, you'll find quite a bit of variety between different forms of polytheism, to the point of being incomparable, but they're all based on the same set of "naturally occurring" fundamental errors.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Have you ever thought about writing comedy, +InspiringPhilosophy ? My wife is looking at me like I'm crazy because of you dropping the line "You know who believes this? Pagans." I'm dying over here. Good stuff.
That was great. You know who else worshipped created gods? Pagans! Brilliant. I love your videos and they are so well written, researched, articulated, and subtly funny. Keep it up.
In a way the trinity is Pagan. There has been much dispute as how or if this is possible. If the trinity is a singular God segmented into three individual concepts, actions or even beings then it is at least polytheistic. In Hinduism there were many sects and great minds who saw the world differently from one another, giving several deities different names yet the same qualities. In one version of the universe Brahma is like a great sea that had no boundary he is everywhere and is everything. Vishnu is the consciousness or will of this realm yet both gods are in fact the same being. Vishnu can also be thought of as the cosmic record of everything, the web within the sea where all communication and existence takes place. This web consists of every infinitesimally small spot surrounded by every other point everywhere in all directions in a boundless universe putting every point in the center at all times. Shiva known as the destroyer has two aspects of male and female, the female half is named Shakti. These two aspects are not separate but form one process that of creation and existence and Vishnu is the experience of existence. Shiva is the male spirit/energy or animating force of the universe which is in and is Brahma and therefore Shiva is Brahma. Shakti is the female base material universe which is the energy/spirit made manifest as the physical reality. Since Shakti and Shiva are the life and existence of the universe and therefore Brahma, and Brahma is all that there is the energy/spirit is in and is everything. Now I did say Shiva is the destroyer and that he is. He is the mechanism by which the physical universe functions, and to function chang must take place. Change is a strange concept which we have given the artificial concept of time. As all physical material is formed or organized into an active system it eventually suffers entropy and is dissolved back into it's original form of energy/spirit to be reformed into everything that will come after it's physical existence as all thing are that which has existed before and exist now since there is only one thing Brahma. So Brahma is consciousness, active creation, destruction and recreation. Three in one as is the Christian trinity. The Hebrew God structure is pagan in that it has several names of God male, female and androgynous depicted by the meaning in the Hebrew formulas that show their functions. This is no different than the Hindu system. Even the most common name of God IHVH is a four fold formula of the concept of creation. This is a complex Kabbalistic mystery which I do not have the time to go into completely except that I will scratch the surface with " I or Yod is the hand or that which makes and is the masculine conscious will. H or He which means window and is the universe and considered a universal womb, the passage in and out of this world. V or Vav is the nail or vine and that which binds, the animating force. The final H or He is seen through the window of the eyes and is the material world or universe, spirit made manifest. These letters/glyphs are also masculine and feminine and stated as the father, mother, son and daughter which are related to the four elements of fire, water, air and earth. If you take these as dimensions fire is the pervasive will combined with water the of emotions and the receptive womb which gives birth to steam a gas and the element of air, the concept of consciousness but also that of volume whicj in turn are three dimensions of youth element the material world. There is more, much more but as I have said I do not have the time.
***** Another great and informative video. Thank you so much for your work! Will you be doing a quantum mechanics video next? I'm really really looking forward to it! I know the Quantum physics videos require more research and more work and are undoubtedly more tedious to do, but they are revolutionary to this channel as you are the pioneer! I thank you so much for all of your work and I hope that one day you can do this full time!
***** :) can't wait for it!! Make it as revolutionary as your "introspective argument video". That one (in my opinion) along with Quantum Mechanics debunking materialism is the biggy of your channel! I'm so excited for it!
***** I'm wondering how you respond to atheists who consistently argue that "there is no evidence for God's existence and thus I am justified to not believe". They cite how science has shown that the universe and biological life come about through natural means and so on. What do you say to those who say "there is no evidence for God".
this is a silly objection to the Trinity. The greek word "Theos" was first used by Pagans for the greek god Zeus so does that make the New Testament pagan now? smh. The Christians took the word and poured their own meaning into it
I would recommend "Triads and Trinity" by J. G. Griffiths (1996) University of Wales press. This is a very scholarly work, citing references and working through Trinitarian references in Egyptian and Greek sources going back to Old Kingdom Egypt. The picture of something "Stolen" from paganism is probably going too far, but the first comprehensive accounts of any Trinity come from Plotinus, not from Christian sources.
Dale Tuggy on his website blog already did a review and criticism on and against that book (Triads and Trinity: a mini-review). My conclusion basically similar with him, but not all since he is a Unitarian. Atleast on the book Griffiths is aware that just because you find something earlier than a piece of Christian art or doctrine that resembles it, it doesn’t follow that there is any causal connection between them.
The picture uncovered by Griffiths is that a Trinitarian picture of deity goes back to the Old Kingdom in Egypt where it is found in Pyramid texts. He goes on to show how this is refined in later documents to a formula where three named deities are said to form one God. He then traces this into the Ptolemaic kingdom, where Greek philosophers are producing Trinitarian theologies. Philo of Alexandria wrote about the idea of multiplicity and unity existing in the same godhead, and in 300AD and Plotinus, the pagan philosopher who produced a developed trinity similar to that proclaimed by Alexander, Metropolitan of Alexandria, also came from Egypt. The Nicene doctrine produced by Athanasius comes from Alexander, and shows verbal similarities with the Trinity of Plotinus. This is not quite full proof of a causal link but the fact that there is a chain of witnesses in the same geographical location to a doctrine which begins more than 2000 years before Christ and develops slowly into the Trinity is a smoking gun - to presume that there is no link would be to presume that Platonic philosophy had no influence on the Church.
I understand. Personally, for me, there are some of the conclusions on the book that quiet a stretch to draw on a thought of connection (Which Dale Tuggy adressed it in his website and criticism of the book as well, which quiet unique because he is a Unitarian but he agree that the book gave little relevance, and also I don't agree with Dale view even thou some similarity thought in mine and him about the book). It's still an interesting reading of course (Did not try discredit Griffiths effort) from an Egyptologist and an interesting comparative thought, especially for specialist. That's all.
I could be wrong, but the way I always viewed it was, The Father was the Creator, Invisible, Source of all Creation. The Son/Manifestation of The Father in Flesh (Without his omnipotence, and omniscience, and Omnipresence), and The Holy Ghost/Spirit is simply, morals, law, and word of God. They're just various Forms of The One God. Please correct me if wrong.
Yeah, you're a bit off. Here is what the Trinity is (and this is orthodox, it's from the Nicene Creed): I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets. In other words: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal, of the same essence. They also each participated in creation. The Son is fully God and fully Man. Took on human nature. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (this is a functional thing, because the Spirit is eternal, just as the Father and the Son). There is mutual love, and a mutual will as well.
The sad thing is you don't even know that Trinity had a beginning in history with the gentiles, and you forget that salvation is of the Jews. imagine saying God is a three co-exixtent being, how heretic is that. God is one not three distinct individuals.
+Mitch 'em at least that's what Jesus says in Revelation 1:8(KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. then Paul another Jew says, Timothy 3:16(KJV)And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. and also Acts 20:28 KJV Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God which He hath purchased with His own blood.
+Alvin Qua-Enoo ....so you if you believe what the book of revelation says about Jesus as being the alpha and the omega etc. so that means JESUS IS GOD! am i understanding you correctly? So if Jesus is God then is he FATHER?
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. 6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, 7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? Mark (2:6-7)
Great video. Another good argument you almost mentioned is that since many pagan gods are single deities, Unitarianism must therefore be pagan - according to their own reasoning. It's silly what people will come up with when they assume that correlation equals causation. And even if Plato was close in his view of 3 distinct things which comprise reality, at least he was closer than others! It is possible for some people to be more correct than others, or closer to the truth, even unbelievers. The standard is not if someone said it first, but what the Bible teaches. If we presuppose the Bible is God's word, then it doesn't matter if someone held the belief prior. They simply were just correct prior to the special revelation of it. But yes, we do see plenty of traces of God having multiple parts even with ancient Judaism and the OT as they believed that there was a part of God called the "shekinah" which was the part of God that made him known and interacted with his creation. God cannot be seen, is omniscient, and omnipresent, yet even the ancient Jews understood that there was also a part of God that was seen in physical form (hence walking with Adam in the garden, or Isaiah's vision), God applies human terms to himself such as being greived (yet knew all along what would happen), and is said to be located in specific locations such as the temple (yet God is omnipresent). Also, the OT says that Yahweh created everything, and the NT says that Jesus created everything. The OT says everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh is saved, and Rom 10:13 says all who call on the name of Christ is saved. Jesus says in John 12 that Isaiah saw his glory, speaking of Jesus as the one he saw in the vision. There are 7 places in the NT which use the definite article and refer to Jesus as "the God", and Jesus is worshiped by all creation, which only God could be. These all point to the fact that God's nature is far more complex than ours. There is nothing in Scripture that teaches that God is a monad or is purely Unitarian. I would argue Unitarianism is heavily influenced by gnosticism, as was the case with Arianism and is the case with modern neo-Arianism with Oneness Pentecostals and Jehovah's Witnesses. And great point at the end. Yes, Unitarianism is more similar to pagan gods than the Trinity is.
Truth Sayer *Does the Trinity Doctrine Make Sense ?* *or is it Nonsense ?* Since the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, an Adventist author from the 1800's wrote, “To believe that doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities.” - (J.N. Loughborough) Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died, is the invisible God but was seen, is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel, is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return, is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He, is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father, is the Son but the same age as the Father, is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father, is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God, is very God and very man, came out from Himself, prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself, thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself, went back to Himself, sits at the right hand of Himself, is His own Father and His own Son, left Heaven and yet was there all the time. There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible, but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities. Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity ? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God ! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.” How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation ? Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son ? A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” 2 John 1:3 “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” __________________________________________________________________ "Satan's Last Day Theology" ruclips.net/video/oGr_n8oqOHw/видео.html
Allah said in Qur'an : "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
Romans 1:21-23 KJV Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(Father,Son,Holy Spirit) Genesis 1:1-3, Matthew 28:19, Matthew 3:16-17, Luke 1:30-38, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, Ephesians 4:6. Again read The Holy Bible clearly and Complete first Pray and get Wisdom of God in name of Lord Jesus Christ Ameen
I will make a virgin pregnant so I will be born as human, then I will put myself in great pain. Then I will say, "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself?" ....I must die so that I can forgive mankind for their sins...
As a student of comparative religions, in my best estimation, ancient Heathen cultures personified creative elements, thus developing counterfeits to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. As always, feel free to disagree.
I like this comment because as a Jehovah’s Witness we don’t worship Jesus , we worship his father Jehovah. Jesus has set the example of the way we should live our lives .
Holy Trinity "Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son's is another, the Holy Spirit's another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal" (Athanasian Creed). Foreshadowing of plurality of Persons in OT Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; 18:1-5; 9-10; 16 Action of Triune Godhead in New Testament Mt 3:16-17; Lk 1:35; 3:21-22 Plurality of Persons as mentioned in New Testament Jn 14:15; 26; 15:26; Acts 1:6-8; Rom 8:9; 1Cor 6:10-11; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pet 1:2; 1Jn 5:6-7; Jude 20:21 Baptism given in name of Trinity Mt 28:19 Blessing given in name of Trinity 2Cor 13:14
Because they don’t, that’s a strawman, you’re incorrectly defining the Trinity one God three persons. It’s impossible for you to provide a meeting for critique of trinitarianism when you incorrectly defined it. When are you gonna give up your pseudo ahistorical nonsense, and your conspiracy theories.
This is new to me about the trinity. My understanding of the Unitarian view, was that it was The Bishop Michael Servicus who questioned the trinity doctrine and ultimately got burned at the stake by the Catholics for heresy.
Yeahyy I love your videos IP. Im praying for you, that your faith will be kept safe in the hand of your father, and that you are to be blessed/prosperous in your private life by Him! :) God is good! Nb! One thought I got though, be careful using facepalms in your videos. I see atheists use them alot, and I feel they use them just for expressing that we as believers are dumb. I dont think we as christans should do the same. Our arguments is powerful enough! :)
Notice how many Christian Channel switched off their commentary section, just like in Church, where no question will be entertained. They speak and you just swallow all line, hook and sinker down your throat. Just have faith. Jesus said God is One and he is a Messenger (John 17:3). The Pagan Church said God is 3 in 1. (Nothing of this TrinityConcept in the bible. John 10:30 has been rebutted in John 17:21). Who do you follow...??? The teachings of Jesus or the Pagan Church...???
I love how modalism is described as heretical...that a God that has knowledge beyond our comprehension and spoke the universe into existence could not possibly be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all at the same time, that it actually has to be 3 separate gods in one God...tell me, which one is more line with Deuteronomy 6:4 declaring that God is one? Last time I checked, one is not 3, it’s 1. Jesus even attests to this fact when He declared that He and the Father are ONE. John 10:30.
Rusiate Fifita, I would say that our understanding of God is about as complete as a single celled amoeba’s understanding of what is a human, but one day God will sort it out. I don’t find it difficult at all to believe that the God that created the universe and everything in it, and exists outside of it could be both in Heaven in control of the universe while being the Messiah here on earth. But that’s my two cents worth.
Man the fact that in your arguments you quote Christian Orthodox Fathers of the Church says that you do know what ur saying.Bravo!Keep up your good work!Δοξα Πατρι και Υιω και Αγιω Πνευματι και νυν και αει και εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων.Αμην.
ohn 2o:17 Jesus is saying to her, "Do not touch Me, for not as yet have I ascended to My Father. Now go to My brethren, and say to them that I said, 'Lo! I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and (My God and your God). If Jesus is God, how can he have a God, when the Bible says there is only ONE GOD? Jesus said God is Superior . John 14:28 My father is greater than I. If God and Christ are equal, then how is God greater than Christ? Jesus taught that he and the father are one purpose not part of a trinity. John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given them, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE. As you can see when Jesus said he and the father are one, he is stating they are ONE IN PURPOSE, just as those who Jesus gave glory to. They are all in one purpose also. They didn’t become part of a trinity. Simple question: If Christ is God the Father, then why would Christ be the beginning of creation of God? How could God have a beginning and be the first born of every creature? Colossians 1:15 Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature. John 12: 49 seeing that I speak not from Myself, but the Father Who sends Me, He has given Me the precept, what I may be saying and what I should be speaking." 50 And I am aware that His precept is life eonian. What, then, I am speaking, according as the Father has declared it to Me, thus am I speaking. Jesus does exactly what the father tells him to do. He receives commands from the father. He does nothing on his own. What he says and does is given to him by the father. Can you see how they are one purpose, and not a three part GOD? They work together as one, just as mentioned above John 17:22 If Christ is God, then how can he learn anything from God? He would already know it right? Hebrews 5: 8 even He also, being a Son, learned obedience from that which He suffered." John 8: 28 Jesus, then, said to them again that "Whenever you should be exalting the Son of Mankind, then you will know that I am, and from Myself I am doing nothing, but, according as My Father TEACHES Me, these things I am speaking." Another thing. Why does Christ not know the day and the hour of his return if he is God? Matthew 24: 36 Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, NOR THE SON; except the Father only. God is the only one who has knowledge of everything. Jesus knows what the father tells him. Christ also says John 5: 30 I can not do anything of Myself. According as I am hearing am I judging; and My judging is just, for I am not seeking My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me . Jesus said he is not seeking HIS will, but the will of the Father. John 6: 38 for I have descended from heaven, not that I should be doing My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me." See the separation? 1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus. If Jesus is God, why does he need to mediate for himself? Mark 10: 18 Now Jesus said to him, "Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except One, God." Do I need to explain this one? Nah, I’m sure you see it. I could go on and on with this note, and show you a whole lot more,but I am going to end it this way. 1 Corinthians 15: 28 And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son (Jesus) Himself will be made subject to Him(GOD) who put all things under Him(Jesus), so that God may be all in all. Notice that when Christ has subjected all to himself, then he(Jesus) will be SUBJECTED TO GOD. GOD will become ALL in ALL. Everything, Everyone (including Jesus) is subjected to God.
Oh I'm sure you "have addressed these". You mean to say "you speak them away to fit your belief". Pay attn: But I'm sure you won't, because you are so deeply embedded in your Trinity belief. All I can do is show you the truth. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matthew 1:18) "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (Matt. 1:20) If, as the doctrine of the Trinity states, that the Holy Spirit, is the third PERSON of the Trinity, then the Holy Spirit is Jesus' Father; not the Father. That's how messed up these unscriptural doctrines and creeds make things. "Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. (2 John 3)
First and foremost Matthew 1:18 and 20 do say that. Secondly I showed you some truth. What you do with it is up to you. If you want to twist and turn as the scribes and theologians do attempting to justify a false doctrine, fine, but understand, your only leading the blind.
TheMarklbs Jesus was already in existence before the incarnation... So He didn't come into existence through conception of the Holy Spirit... How Jesus became physical doesn't show who His Father is. This should be obvious.
amuslimguy genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image" what else could god be refering to? cant be angels Genesis 1:26 and 3:22 can only represent a conversation within the Trinity. God the Father is having a “conversation” with God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament hints at the plurality of God, and the New Testament clarifies this plurality with the doctrine of the Trinity. Obviously, there is no way we can fully understand how this works, but God has given us enough information to know that He does exist in three Persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Wayne Ekeh Lol. Interestingly enough, the plural "We" is also used of Allah in the Qur'an many, many times, not too far from the "Elohim" in the Torah. Though I agree that itself is not conclusive proof of plurality or Trinity.
amuslimguy and if your gonna go with the plural of majesty dont bother the same word elohim is used when god says do not have any other gods before me. so for some reason god refers to false gods rather graciously as he would himself. its like if he called false gods i am. it borders on the nonsensical
The One True GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is GOD ALONE, on His own, with NO Gods next to Hm, or like Him. Isaiah 46:9. The Catholic TRINITY is a terrible deception.
Yes, the trinity truly is one major deceptive subject and most people who discuss it will pretend like they know where it originated and will always try to make a hyperbolical case for it from the scripture even though it is nowhere to be found in it, not in the Hebrew Tanakh nor the Koine Greek sources of the New Testament, to make it fit these people need to twist the meanings of words to such an extent that it's like listening to what Mormons tell about their 'great founder' Joseph Smith and the things which he claims in defense of his radically different Bible. And to make matters worse, the very first individual to EVER use the phrase "father, son and holy ghost" in ALL history was the heresiarch Simon Magus, this is attested to in the writings of Justin Martyr, Eusebius, Origen, Tertullian, you name them, it is there. This Simon Magus is not only the person who invented the phrase "father, son and holy ghost" but he went so far as to apply it to himself, and since he is also the founder of Gnosticism it is no surprise that until the 4th century AD the general consensus among Christians was that Jesus and The Father were not one and that they were two distinct beings, many people today will tell you that the Unitarian perspective was a manifestation of the man called Arius but that is totally wrong because it predates him, others will say that it goes back to his teacher, Lucian of Antioch, but that is also impossible because Lucian himself was educated by a layman preacher called Macarius of Odessa and since this Macarius was a layman it fits the narrative of the primitive church where the good news was spread by laymen, and not by an exclusive group of highly educated individuals, so despite the lack of evidence it is not hard to conclude that the Unitarian perspective also predates Macarius of Odessa and, personally, I believe it goes back to the earliest followers of the historic and Jewish Jesus. Then there's the case for the term "trinity" which, believe it or not, was coined by none other than Tertullian, now I do know know whether people are aware of this but Tertullian was very much a double agent, whilst he was claiming to be a Christian he was secretly a Gnostic and, like I already mentioned, since the concept of the trinity originates from the founder and the very first Gnostic, it is not surprising to see the culmination of this concept a few centuries after the death of Simon Magus in a fleshed out form of Gnosticism, Tertullian would eventually renounce his Christian belief and openly embrace Gnosticism, he even founded his own sect. What is also worth pointing out is the duplicity of Tertullian is no surprise, Simon Magus, Valentinus and all the other common Gnostic rabble of the day would despite their Gnostic core beliefs *STILL* claim to be Christians, you can also find this in the writings of the early church historians, even though the things they spread around were absolutely in confrontation with even the primitive Church, they still lead people astray by pretending to be Christians. When people try to make a case for the trinity today they will tell you that the trinity is a mainstay of Christian belief and that it has always been there when no it has not and until the 4th century the vast majority of believers were of the Unitarian form, only after the council of Nicaea does the Trinity as term and concept get pushed down the throats of the fold under the penalty of death, you can see this in how the "Arian Christians" which lived among the kingdoms of the Lombards, the Ostrogoths and the Vandals were treated and how painstakingly extensive their belligerents' attempts were to destroy them from the face of the earth. p.s. I am not in any shape or form related to Jehovah's witnesses, everything I expressed is a development of me reading about the contrast between today's form of Christianity and the one of the Primitive Church, I do not sympathize with JWs and despite them being called the modern day "Arians" they pervert the historic Christian Unitarian beliefs with a lot of occult and esoteric hyperbolic mystic teachings which are blended with a few historically plausible things so please do not perceive my comment as from a brainwashed JW, all this is based on personal research spanning many years.
@@Daurentius322 Thank you so much for you comment which was so interesting. I no longer believe that Jesus pre - existed His flesh, but apart from that I think we are on the same fence. May GOD bless you.
@@IsJesusGod. No worries brother, I have no issues if someone holds to that belief, the Ebionites and the Nazarenes did the same and they are the earliest followers of Jesus so we're all good bro.
Before Abraham was IAM. Oh yeah and I watched your video that you did that supposedly proves that 28:19 is a forgery when there is absolutely no evidence to support that to you it’s complete nonsense, it’s deceptive and it’s just a conspiracy theory. OK well not no evidence you attempted to but it’s not evidence at all, your evidence is that some guy who is a professor at the University of Georgia had a different translation of Matthew.
PAGANS! Lol. Great video, though, as always. Very well put together and thought through with great points. You destroyed Christ mysticism with logic, fact and critical thinking, as always. Job well done, good sir. Can't wait for the next video. God bless...... PAGANS!
@@Navii-05 You only need to know basic history to know this. The founded of Christianity in Rome was originally a pagan. That's a good start. The original Christianity, Gnostic Christianity had obvious Pagan similarities, reincarnation being one. Here in the UK where I live you can still see pagan God's engraved into churches and you can still see pagan symbolic carvings on church's hundreds of years old. The whole bible story was already told many times long before Jesus was ever thought about by pagan legends and stories. Even down to the 3 wise men. A virgin birth giving birth to the physical version of God. The sun became the son. Pagans used to have images of their gods with halos behind their heads like you see now in Christianity. I could go on and on. You can research all this yourself.
If the roman church stole the idea of trinity form pagans, then the most possible scenario becomes that jesus is just a person sent by God, obviously a prophet as well. And that is what quran exactly tells about jesus.
Trinity is made up just like Christmas my friend. Stop lying to yourself and worship one lord. The same God Jesus called the father. Become one with the God by practicing the true teachings.
@@IslandZer0 "Assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" 💀 and guess what God said to Moses in the story of the burning bush. guess what He said His name is? Okay you might wanna stay in your seat for this I know its crazy but He said His name is.... "I AM that I AM" Jesus is quite literally stating that even before Abraham, He was. He is eternal with the Father. I pray that Christ opens your eyes and gives you a new heart.
@@hollyjollyg1ngy804 that does not say anything about Jesus being the God. First of all, Bible is collection of stories written by unknown authors. It’s basically collection of what “he said, she said”. And throughout time, Bible has been rewritten over 30,000 times. You can Google how many times Bible was rewritten and you will get an answer. The quote "Before Abraham was, I am" is taken out of context or misunderstood. Some people argue that the statement was not meant to be a claim of divinity, but rather a statement of Jesus' pre-existence before Abraham. Finally, Bible is not even the word of God. People changed and even removed stories. Here are a few for you: ✏️ 1: The addition of the Pericope Adulterae: This is a passage in the Gospel of John (7:53-8:11) that tells the story of a woman caught in adultery and brought to Jesus for judgment. The passage was not present in some of the earliest copies of the Gospel, and it was not included in some early translations of the Bible. However, it has been included in many later versions, such as the King James Version, and is now widely regarded as canonical. ✏️ #2: The translation of "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14: This verse prophesies the birth of a child named Immanuel, and in the original Hebrew text, the word used is "almah," which simply means "young woman." However, in some early Greek translations of the Hebrew Bible, the word was translated as "parthenos," which means "virgin." This translation was later adopted by some Bible translations, such as the King James Version, and has become a source of controversy among scholars. ✏️ #3: The removal of the Apocrypha: The Apocrypha is a collection of books that were included in some early versions of the Bible, but were later removed by Protestant reformers during the 16th century. These books, which include Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, among others, are still included in the Catholic and Orthodox canons of the Bible. ✏️ #4: The gender-neutral translation of certain passages: Some modern translations of the Bible, such as the New Revised Standard Version, have made efforts to use gender-neutral language in certain passages that refer to both men and women. For example, instead of using "brothers" to refer to a group of people that includes both men and women, these translations might use "siblings" or "brothers and sisters." ✏️ 5: The use of simplified language: Some modern translations, such as the New International Version, have made efforts to use simpler and more accessible language, particularly in passages that might be difficult for modern readers to understand. For example, some translations might use modern idioms or expressions to convey the meaning of ancient phrases or metaphors. Trinity is made up. Jesus never claimed to be God. The Bible is man made and changed so who please don’t even quote it. It’s fake.
@@IslandZer0 i will look into your points about Isaiah and the supposed mistranslation. But everything else you’ve pointed out does not prove any point you’re trying to make. the story about the adulteress is not “widely regarded as canonical” the bible’s that do include this story all note that the story is not present in earlier manuscripts and to take the story with a grain of salt. regardless if this is story should be included or not it has no effect on essential Christian doctrine, neither do the gender neutral additions, and neither do the removal of books such as the wisdom of solomon or judith. The leading new testament critic Bart Ehrman even admitted in his book that none of these changes change or affect essential Christian doctrine. So even atheist scholars would disagree with these weak claims that the bible has been translated “30,000” times and the idea that these changes in the bible change the message. it’s the message of the gospel that saves, not exact wording/100% mistake free scripture. The bible is not the literal word of God, but the inspired word of God. Unless you want to against the study and research of top scholars, the message of the bible has been preserved without corruption. small errors or changes, but not doctrinal corruption.
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Christian: *breathes*
InspiringPhilosophy: you know who else breathes PAGANS
BREATHING IS A PAGAN IDEA
how dare you breathe. 😠😠😠
@@nomore9004 Haha haha
LMAO🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😆
For some reason I really want to hear that rebuttal about pagans in the voice of Dana Carvey's church lady.
Now who is it that believes in created gods? Who could it be? Could it be PAGANS?
@@nomore9004 guess ill die
"Do you know who else believes in created gods? PAGANS!" xD
🤣🤣🤣
@Doubting Thomas why did Jesus and paul failed in their prophecy?
Matthew 16:28
1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
@Harrison Lee It is indeed a good point. Just because two things are similar doesn't mean they're the same. Christians pray to their God; pagans pray to their gods. Christians baptize by immersing in water; ancient pagans practiced ritual cleansings with water. Pagans worshipped the sun; Old Testament prophecy called Christ the "Sun of Righteousness" (Malachi 4: 2). Even if it could be proven that any Christian belief or practice was taken from paganism, it means little. Paul addressed this issue in 1 Corinthians when tackling the question of whether it was permissible to eat food offered to idols. In short, he said not to worry about it because idols by definition are false gods and thus have no power. Offering food to a false god does nothing to it because a false god can't consecrate food, or anything else for that matter. The same principle would apply to any alleged "paganism" in Christian traditions and doctrines.
@@convert2islaam500 sorry dude there's no next verse unless you want to add too as the bible used to...... like wikipedia!
@@convert2islaam500
Jesus said some of you who are standing here will see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
in their lifetime, I thought that this was a typo but since Paul made this same failed prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
We can assume that this verse was added into the Bible
Christians pray.
You know who else prays?
PAGANS!
It's not about WHO prays; it's about WHO is being prayed TO!
OurHumbleLife, yup
+OurHUmbleLife According to people who still think the Trinity is pagan, your logic won't fly!
Libra,
Sorry, what logic of mine are you referring _TO?_
+OurHumbleLife The fact that differences and qualifications change the meaning (that who you pray to matters for example). Like how 'three' as a commonality doesn't mean the three means the same thing (personality, quantity and divinity aren't the same thing, for example).
Thy don't care. They just see 'three' and refuse to let go of the idea that it was stolen from pagans.
"If you don't read the Church Fathers, you don't know anything about Christianity." - Matthew Raphael Johnson
Exactly!! Western Christians unfortunately have no church fathers😔 So they end up ignorant on history that predates the denomination that was created and the earliest in the 16th Century. I’m very lucky as part of Assyrian church we study all Fathers and Martyrs. Similar to the Book of Martyrs by John Fox that the Puritans placed secondary importance along the bible and religiously studied, so do Assyrian Christians, and we Martyrs of all Christian back grounds to include William Tyndale.
That's why the orthodox church is the church of Christ
@@angelmapping6086 yup
Once I've finished the Bible I plan to get onto reading their works.
@@angelmapping6086 yes
Christians breathe in air.
You know who else breathes in air?
*_PAGANS!_*
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
@@David-xh5dfJohn 17:20-21, “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me." Clearly, I and the Father are one," is not a Trinitarian statement, but that the Father and the Son are one in purpose. It might be more convincing, if He said, "I, the Father, and the Holy Ghost, are one."
I and the father are one, he didn t said I, the Afther and the Holy Spirit are one so you know right he was speaking as a messanger of God
@@neregardezpasmabanniereder789Bro is twisting The Bible
the analogy of the three musketeers killed me xD
Are u a ghosts now
I love how he says, "PAGANS" HAHAHA it's so funny. Great video. This guy is so intelligent.
Cracked me up, the way he said that! 😂
Thisw guy is an ignoramous. He hasn't done any real study. He just want to use false argurments. As a Pagan. One that is knowledgable, would agree with me. My wife did, now she's my ex wife.
@@stanbarr9884 Keep thinking so
@@stanbarr9884 lol cope
@@stanbarr9884so what false God do you believe in?
Not only is this video very informative, but is also probably the most amusing video you've produced so far! Well done!
InspiringPhilosophy, You Sir are truly gifted in your work. Thank You!
Yes, he's a bull-shitter par excellence. Philosophy: unconstrained speculation.
@@grasonicus”insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong”
@@Divinecter How do you say someone is a bullshitter in a nice way?
The academic discipline of philosophy is just words. Here's "The Philosopher's Song:"
Come, let's light the crack pipes, Willy
We'll draw on them both hard and long
We'll talk about the sound of one hand clapping
And then we'll sing a mystic, purple song.
@@grasonicus because all you said was delusions. Just a cope lol
@@Divinecter Here's a delusion for you: 1god + 1god + 1god = 1god.
The bible has been attacked by non believers for over 2,000 years. Most of the criticism comes from misinterpretations, misunderstandings, lies and attempts to claim it as stories from other sources. All these fallacies have been disproved and the Bible is still here. The TRUTH cannot be destroyed these acts only serve to strengthen the Bibles words.
Glory to God the almighty.
George Bond They are still the same old arguments as well if you think about it, just in different languages wordings and expressions. The modern and past arguments are basically the same because it is the same idea.
Gg Mate one bible one God, many translations though, like Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, English, German, French, Spanish etc etc.
Yes! I just proved that the infamous and vicious Chinese gang "The Triads" stole their name from the Indian Hindu gods that came in threes!!! I'm a genius!
I love how you spat the word pagans! Too funny :')
indeed, 500 years ago that would have been lighted torches and burning at the stake for heresy!
The closest thing to the Christian Trinity I can think of is the Trimurti of Hinduism. However, unlike the Christian belief, the gods of the Trimurti are three different gods who are manifestations of the eternal spirit Brahman. Also, unlike in the Christian Trinity, all the persons of the Trimurti have incarnations (but the second person of the Trimurti- Vishnu- has the most popularly known incarnations, i.e. Rama and Krishna). The Holy Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost is a unique doctrine to Christianity.
"You know who also believes in created gods?... PAGANS!" LOL that comment made me laugh. Its funny because its true. Keep up the good work. God bless :)
If there are 3 beings in One God, where is the Holy Sprit's throne in the Bible? I see one mentioned for God and Jesus, where is the other?
Doesn't look like anyones got an answer. Good question
I am ready to share my secret now... YOU are the throne of the Holy Spirit...
Blessed be:)
Trinitarians usually get confused when I mention this one.
Great job on this! This really rounds out your Trinity series which has been a great resource for my congregation.
Because they are easy to deceive.
@@thetrinitybusters hahah! Arguing in the comment section of a video on RUclips is so productive! Especially when the comment is 6 years old!!!!! And then if that is not enough, let's make it a personal attack on people you don't even know! You must have a grand following and are really making a difference in the world. Repent and believe the gospel. The Gospel ordained in eternity past by God the Father, secured by the atoning work of God the Son, and applied by the working power of God the Holy Spirit.
@@FirstBaptistChurchBoron Anyone who readily follows something that is not in the Bible, must be easy to deceive. What would your congregation members ask you, if you did read and break down Daniel 7:9-14 to them? Also Jesus went back to heavenalmost two thousand years ago, so six years is nothing.
No its not a great job on this topic,they is no trinity, it has pagan sun worship things in it
1.Psalm 110
The Lord says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." And verse 5 says, "The Lord is at your right hand."
2.Judges 9 shows the angel of the Lord as Lord by accepting worship from Gideon. Only to find the angel of the Lord talking to the Lord in Zechariah 1:12.
3.The 3 visitors of Abraham were worshipped at different times and locations as Lord by both Abraham and Lot.
People, scripture is clear.
Correction, it was judges 6. I get those 2 mixed up.
I'm really glad I came across your channel IP. Finally some intelligent, fact, and scriptural based presentations to counter the non stop onslaught from these "man made" religions attacking traditional and orthodox Christianity. As a member of a traditional mainstream Christian Chruch, I am constantly bombarded, ridiculed, insulted, looked down upon by other faiths and by my supposed brothers and sisters in Christ claim their way is the only way. They have given me there usually nonsense just like you described in this video and others, telling me to turn to God and repent. I've just stopped listening to them altogether now. I know there'll be another onslaught of attacks on this comment I'm posting, but at least the mute button is available. Keep these videos coming!
Rick OnTheDrums
*Is Jesus God or is He the Son of God ?*
Jesus said that He was not the Father more than 80 times.
While remaining one in purpose and unity, Jesus and the Father are clearly two separate and distinct beings.
On more than one occasion, the Father spoke to Jesus from heaven.
“And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased'.”
(Matthew 3:17)
Either Jesus and the Father are two separate beings or Jesus was an expert ventriloquist.
Jesus “asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am ?
So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.
He said to them, But who do you say that I am ?
Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.”
(Matthew 16:13-17)
This passage says that the FATHER who is in HEAVEN, revealed to Peter, that JESUS who was on EARTH, is none other than His Son.
So what would you say if Jesus asked you who He was ?
Would you say, “you are part of some 3 in 1 god and just role playing a son ?”
Or would you be able to answer as Peter did ?
“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Scripture in fact calls Jesus the Son of God over and over again,.but it never calls Him
“god the son.”
But how do we reconcile Hebrews and John chapter 1 which refer to Jesus as God ?
These verses have confused many and yet the answer is so simple.
The word God is used in two different ways in Scripture.
Firstly, the word “God” is used to refer to the Supreme Being of the universe who is the ultimate source of all things.
Every time the Bible refers to the one true God, it is referring to this supreme being who is the one that was before all else and from whom all life ultimately came.
In this sense no one else is God.
But the word God is also used to refer to someone who possesses the attributes of divinity, or the characteristics of God.
Since Christ is the same substance of His Father, everything He consists of had no beginning.
His divinity had no beginning, His makeup; His nature had no beginning as it all came from the Father.
So in principle, everything Christ is had no beginning.
If you trace Christ back you will have to go through the Father and you will never get to a beginning.
But His personality as the Son of God began when He was brought forth by His Father.
So Christ is essentially God in infinity but not in personality.
His personality began when He was brought forth from the Father in the days of eternity or days of everlasting.
This is the time before all things were created when there was nothing to measure time by.
So in effect it was only the personality of Christ as the Son of God that had a beginning.
So when we say Christ is God, we mean that He is the same substance of His Father and hence has the same God nature as His Father, but He is not God the Father.
Scripture always calls Jesus the “Son of God,” but NEVER “god the son” as Trinitarians do, and with very good reason.
“Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
HE WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT CREATED.
He is of the SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, so that IN HIS VERY NATURE HE IS GOD;
and since this is so “it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.”
Col. 1:19 ... While BOTH ARE OF THE SAME NATURE, the Father is first in point of time.
He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while CHRIST'S PERSONALITY HAD A BEGINNING.”
(E.J. Waggoner, ST, April 8, 1889)
“This name [God] was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement, but it is His by right of inheritance.
Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because “He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”
Heb. 1:4
A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as “the only begotten Son of God,” has rightfully the same name.
A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has, to some extent, the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind.
But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works; and so Christ is the “express image” of the Father's person.
Heb. 1:3
As the Son of the self-existent God, he has by nature all the attributes of Deity.
It is true that there are many sons of God; but Christ is the “only begotten Son of God,” and therefore the Son of God in a sense in which no other being ever was, or ever can be.
The angels are sons of God, as was Adam (Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation;
Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14,15);
but CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD BY BIRTH.
The writer to the Hebrews further shows that the position of the Son of God is not one to which Christ has been elevated, but that it is one which He has by right.”
(E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p. 11-12)
“For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;”
(Colossians 1:19)
Why does “all the fullness of the Godhead” dwell in Christ bodily ?
Because Jesus is the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15), and being brought forth from the Father, He has the same “divine nature” as He is the same substance as the Father.
John 5:26 also tells us that the Father gave life to His Son.
“For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.”
(John 5:26)
If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life.
But Scripture reveals this is impossible.
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"Satan's Last Day Theology"
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Adam 1984 all that to say, and just one scripture to refute it. Of course there are many more but. I will focus on one. John 5:17,18.
But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." 18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
Jesus was teaching that he is the Son of God. The Jews clearly understood this to mean equality with God and for that the Jews sought to kill him. Son of God =equal to God.
So your interpretations of what your scriptures say are incorrect.
Let scripture interpret scripture as Philippians 2 explains John 5:26 perfectly, in that he humbled himself, temporarily left his glory and came in the LIKENESS of sinful man. Thus, the Father gave to him all he would need.
Short answer :no
Thanks for the time put into this and the great points raised. :)
Will you also be addressing triquetra usage?
I love at 8:55 -8:58 when you draw the comparisons between Jehovahs witnesses and pagans, "you know who else believes in created gods?..... Pagans!" Just good old fashioned bluntness. Hilarity did insue. XD
Jacob Brown bet u don't worship the God that jesus worships.......matt 4;10 jesus has a God he worships .....but Trinitarian Christians don't worship his God........why? ....He is the God of Jesus true disciples.........matt:4:10
rawbrutaltruth we recognize that Jesus has a God. The Father is his God. The Father is the supreme person in the Godhead so thats why Jesus worships him. He believe Jesus is God in the sense of his nature. God is not a proper noun to describe Jesus but rather a descriptive noun.
Mineblade 1000 so who is your god and what is his name ,do u worship God in trinity, or not? do u adhere to Trinitarian doctrine.......? .....
rawbrutaltruth My God is Yahweh the only true God. He has a Son named Jesus (or Yahshua). GOD's Son is eternal and is by nature deity. I worship both as described in Rev. 4-5.
rawbrutaltruth Yes I am Trinitatian, BUT not in the normal sense of the word. I am a Reformed Southern Baptist. But I dont agree with every thing my church teaches even though my dad is the pastor. When i pray i pray to the Father. When i worship i worship the Father and Son. When I say God i am refering to the Father.
I believe in one God the Father who exists in himself and not begotten and he has been eternally pouring his divine essence (or being) into the Son and begetting (or generating) him {Heb 1:3 and 5, John 1:1 and 18, 3:16, and 17:1-5 and Proverbs 8:22 etc.}. I believe the Spirit has eternally proceeded from the Father and the Son {John 14:26; 15:26}. I believe all three members are fully by nature deity but the Father is above the other two members in command not in deity.{John 17:3}
I believe Jesus is by nature God not by person. I believe he has all the aspects of deity and is eternal. His existence derives from the Father.
Thank you for adding a new video. This was done very well, and as there are a lot of ridiculous claims out there I am impressed you were able to explain it in such a short time. Definitely agree with you.
Like the claims of the trinitarians.
@@thetrinitybusters the irony of those who deny the Trinity but accept the same New Testament canon put together by those who believed in the Trinity.
@@thetrinitybusters Greek text analysis of John 1:1 and John 20:28:
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"'In what did Second Temple Judaism consider the uniqueness of the one God to consist, what distinguished God as unique from all other reality, including beings worshipped as gods by Gentiles?, the answer given again and again, in a wide variety of Second Temple Jewish literature, is that the only true God, YHWH, the God of Israel, is sole Creator of all things and sole Ruler of all things.
While these characteristics are by no means sufficient to identify God (since they say nothing, for example, about his goodness or his justice), they are the features which most readily distinguish God absolutely from all other reality. God alone created all things; all other things, including beings worshipped as gods by Gentiles, are created by him. God alone rules supreme over all things; all other things, including beings worshipped as gods by Gentiles, are subject to him. These ways of distinguishing God as unique formed a very easily intelligible way of defining the uniqueness of the God they worshipped which every Jew in every synagogue in the late Second Temple period would certainly have known. However diverse Judaism may have been in many other respects, this was common: only the God of Israel is worthy of worship because he is sole Creator of all things and sole Ruler of all things. Other beings who might otherwise be thought divine are by these criteria God's creatures and subjects."-Richard Bauckham, biblical scholar
Isa. 40:26, 28; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12, 18; 48:13; 51:16; Neh. 9:6; Hos. 13:4 LXX; 2 Macc. 1:24; Sir. 43:33; Bel 5; Jub. 12:3-5; Sib. Or. 3:20-35; 8:375-76; Sib. Or. frg. 1:5-6; Sib. Or. frg. 3; Sib. Or. frg. 5; 2 En. 47:3-4; 66:4; Apoc. Ab. 7:10; Ps-Sophocles; Jos. Asen. 12:1-2; T. Job 2:4.
Dan. 4:34-35; Bel 5; Add. Esth. 13:9-11; 16:18, 21; 3 Macc. 2:2-3; 6:2; Wis. 12:13; Sir. 18:1-3; Sib. Or. 3:10, 19; Sib. Or. frg. 1:7,15,17,35; 1 En. 9:5; 84:3; 2 En. 33:7; 2 Bar. 54:13; Josephus, A.J. 1:155-6.
"...Whereas the inclusion of Jesus in the eschatological sovereignty of God is found in all the New Testament literature, his inclusion in the work of creation is less widespread, but is found in 1 Corinthians, Colossians, Hebrews, Revelation and the Gospel of John. Since it is of less direct relevance to most of the concerns of the New Testament writers, this is not surprising. What is noteworthy is that in three of these cases (1 Corinthians, Hebrews and John) the purpose, in my view, is precisely to express Jewish monotheism in christological terms. It is not that these writers wish to say anything about the work of creation for its own sake or even that they wish to say anything about the relationship of Christ to creation for its own sake, but that they wish precisely to include Jesus Christ in the unique divine identity. Including him precisely in the divine activity of creation is the most unequivocal way of excluding any threat to monotheism-as though Jesus were a subordinate demigod while redefining the unique identity of God in a way that includes Jesus. To illustrate the point, we shall examine the earliest of these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:6. This passage in its context reads:
'Hence, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that 'there is no idol in the world' and that 'there is no God except one.' 'Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth -as in fact there are many gods and many lords -but for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we for him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and we through him.'
Paul's concern in this context is explicitly monotheistic. The issue of eating meat offered to idols and participation in temple banquets is an instance of the highly traditional Jewish monotheistic concern for loyalty to the only true God in a context of pagan polytheistic worship. What Paul does is to maintain this Jewish monotheistic concern in a Christian interpretation for which loyalty to the only true God entails loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ. He takes up from the Corinthians' letter (at the end of verse 4) the typical Jewish monotheistic formula 'there is no God except one' in order to agree with it and to give, in verse 6, his own fuller monotheistic formulation, which contrasts the 'many gods and many lords' of the Corinthians' pagan environment (verse 5) with the one God and one Lord to whom Christians owe exclusive allegiance.
Verse 6 is a carefully formulated statement,
a. but for us [there is] one God, the Father,
b. from whom [are] all things and we for him,
c. and one Lord, Jesus Christ,
d. through whom [are] all things and we through him.
The statement has been composed from two sources, both clearly recognizable. One is the Shema`, the classic Jewish statement of the uniqueness of God, taken from the Torah itself, recited twice daily by all observant Jews...It is now commonly recognized that Paul has here adapted the Shema° and produced, as it were, a Christian version of it. Not so widely recognized is the full significance of this. In the first and third lines of Paul's formula (labelled a and c above), Paul has, in fact, reproduced all the words of the statement about YHWH in the Shema` (Deut. 6:4: 'The LORD our God, the LORD, is one'), but Paul has rearranged the words in such a way as to produce an affirmation of both one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. It should be quite clear that Paul is including the Lord Jesus Christ in the unique divine identity. He is redefining monotheism as christological monotheism. If he were understood as adding the one Lord to the one God of whom the Shema` speaks, then, from the perspective of Jewish monotheism, he would certainly be producing, not christological monotheism, but outright ditheism. The addition of a unique Lord to the unique God of the Shema` would flatly contradict the uniqueness of the latter. The only possible way to understand Paul as maintaining monotheism is to understand him to be including Jesus in the unique identity of the one God affirmed in the Shema. But this is, in any case, clear from the fact that the term 'Lord', applied here to Jesus as the 'one Lord, is taken from the Shema` itself. Paul is not adding to the one God of the Shema` a 'Lord' the Shema` does not mention. He is identifying Jesus as the 'Lord' whom the Shema` affirms to be one. Thus, in Paul's quite unprecedented reformulation of the Shema`, the unique identity of the one God consists of the one God, the Father, and the one Lord, his Messiah. Contrary to what many exegetes who have not sufficiently understood the way in which the unique identity of God was understood in Second Temple Judaism seem to suppose, by including Jesus in this unique identity Paul is certainly not repudiating Jewish monotheism, whereas were he merely associating Jesus with the unique God he certainly would be repudiating monotheism."-bible scholar Richard Bauckham, Jesus and the God of Israel: God Crucified and Other Studies on the New Testament's Christology of Divine Identity
John 1:1-5; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:15-16; Heb. 1:2-3, 10-12; Rev. 3:14.
The 'our' of the Shema` appears as the 'for us' at the beginning of Paul's reformulation.
F.F. Bruce, I and 2 Corinthians (NCB; London: Oliphants, 1971), 80; D.R. de Lacey, "'One Lord" in Pauline Christology,' in Christ the Lord, ed. Harold H. Rowdon (D. Guthrie FS; Leicester: IVP, 1982), 191-203; Dunn, Christology, 180; Hurtado, One God, 97; N. Thomas Wright, The Climax of the Covenant (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1991), 128-9; D.A. Hagner, 'Paul's Christology and Jewish Monotheism,' in Perspectives on Christology, ed. M. Shuster and R. Muller (P.K. Jewett; Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1991), 28-9; Neil Richardson, Paul's Language about God (JSNTSup 99; Sheffield: JSOT Press, 1994), 300; B. Witherington III, Jesus the Sage (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1994), 316.
@@saenzperspectives BUt the trinitarians obviously did not write what is in it, because their doctrine gets destroyed by what is in it.
The Bible states that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God. Thus you can make the inference that this is what makes up the Trinity, just because the Bible doesn’t say the word “trinity” doesn’t mean it isn’t factual. “Trinity” is the term to define the relationship between the three. We know God is “omniscient” by way God is described in the Bible, yet the word isn’t in there. They are the terms used to refer to what is stated and described in the Bible.
YHWH set the standard for declaration of His identify throughout Bible history - 'I AM YHWH YOUR GOD...'
That being said, there are no such declarations made by Jesus anywhere, and in all of Bible history.
Likewise, nowhere in scripture is Jesus ever identified as the Most High GOD, the only true GOD, GOD Almighty - but moreso, and when the title of given onto the son in power, we find that the son is identified as a God with a GOD above Him - just as it was with His forefather David, and who was seated upon the very same throne.
And so contrary to your claim, the Bible does not 'state' that Jesus is GOD, and the Holy Spirit is GOD and the Father is GOD - but moreso, the Bible reveals that there is rank and order within GOD's divine ruleship, and that He alone, is at the source of all things, and in-contrast with Jesus who is not the source, but in subjection to said source.
And finally, what you are referring to as the Holy Spirit, is in-effect GOD, in-that GOD is a spirit - as-is, GOD's divine will carried out through agency.
That is why we can survive sinning against Jesus, but not the Spirit.
That is also why, we can say without a doubt that the Spirit and the Son are not equals.
@@SmalltimRBro, read your Bible, and read John 1:14
Why would the early Church "steal" the Trinity from paganism, when they could have learned about God's Triune nature in the Old Testament...
Great video BTW, BIG THUMBS UP!
+DaneStolthed
god triune nature never found in the old testament... this is an after fact justification.... you believe in trinity, then you try to find trinity in the old testament....
if you had believed in Quaternity, you whould also found Quaternity in the old testament....
Logia1978 There are many references to the Trinity in the Old Testament just Google it for yourself, unless of course your dogmatic in your belief of God's eternal nature...
DaneStolthed
There are not.... those reference are after fact justifications too... if you have believed in quaternity, you would have found quaternity in the old testament too...
+Logia1978 Do you know why the Burnt Offering required 3 different animals?
gabehman
I know that god does not need sacrifice and hate burnt offering.
Hosea 6:6
New International Version
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
For those wondering what the early Church Fathers taught regarding the deity of Christ. They absolutely taught and believed Jesus Christ was the one same God as the Father and the Holy Spirit.
1. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-117): For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.
2. Ignatius (c. 50-117): Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.
3. Ignatius (c. 50-117): For our God Jesus Christ is more visible now that he is in the Father.
4. Ignatius (c. 50-117): I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise, for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.
5. Ignatius (c. 50-117): Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered, who for our sake endured in every way.
6. Polycarp of Smyrna (69-155): Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth . . ., and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.
7. Epistle of Barnabas (written c. 70-130): “If the Lord submitted to suffer for our souls, even though he is Lord of the whole world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, “Let us make humankind according to our image and likeness,” how is it, then, that he submitted to suffer at the hands of humans?”
8. Justin Martyr (100-165): And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.
9. Justin Martyr “Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.”
10. Justin Martyr Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ.
11. Justin Martyr The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin . . .”
12. Justin Martyr For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.
13. Tatian (110-172): We do not act as fools, O Greeks, nor utter idle tales when we announce that God was born in the form of man.
14. Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180): “He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body - God put to death! . . . [I]n order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened-because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree. . . . This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.”
15. Irenaeus of Lyon (120-202): “For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man. . . . He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; - all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.”
16. Irenaeus (120-202): “He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.”
17. Irenaeus (120-202): “Christ Jesus [is] our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.”
18. Irenaeus (120-202): “Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.”
19. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215): “This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man-the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal. . . . . . . The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher; that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends”
20. Tertullian (c. 160-225): For God alone is without sin; and the only man without sin is Christ, since Christ is also God.”
21. Tertullian “Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God, as light of light is kindled. . . . That which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. In this way also, as He is Spirit of Spirit and God of God, He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature; and He did not withdraw from the original source, but went forth. This ray of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb, is in His birth God and man united.”
22. Hippolytus (c. 170-235): “The Logos alone of this God is from God himself; wherefore also the Logos is God, being the substance of God.”
23. Caius (c. 180-217) [in response to those who would question the deity of Christ] “Perhaps what they allege might be credible, did not the Holy Scriptures, in the first place, contradict them. And then, besides, there are writings of certain brethren older than the times of Victor, which they wrote against the heathen in defense of the truth, and against the heresies of their time: I mean Justin and Miltiades, and Tatian and Clement, and many others, in all which divinity is ascribed to Christ. For who is ignorant of the books of Irenaeus and Melito, and the rest, which declare Christ to be God and man? All the psalms, too, and hymns of brethren, which have been written from the beginning by the faithful, celebrate Christ the Word of God, ascribing divinity to Him.”
24. Origen (c. 185-254): “Jesus Christ . . . in the last times, divesting Himself (of His glory), became a man, and was incarnate although God, and while made a man remained the God which He was.”
25. Novatian of Rome (c. 210-280) “For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God Himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth Him to be the Son of God only, but also the Son of man; nor does it only say, the Son of man, but it has also been accustomed to speak of Him as the Son of God. So that being of both, He is both, lest if He should be one only, He could not be the other. For as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that He must be believed to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus Christ the Son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called also God and the Son of God”
The truth of GOD was never dependent on religious traditions - Jesus demonstrated this by exposing perils of religious traditions with the truth of GOD - taking note, that there are no religious institutions or churches between salvation and GOD - only Jesus Christ
And so this notion that we should look to religious institutions and traditions for the truth proves to be nothing but a fools arrand, as the truth was written for all who seek it, and perhaps more to the point, as a means to protect us from the lies and deceptions of false religions.
You need to provide citations.
@@SmalltimR this sounds a lot like John Shelby Spong.
Excellent video. Thanks for the leg work you did to put this video together. Ive always wanted someone to approach this issue from this exact perspective. Thank you!
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all, it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Not to mention that the “THE TRINITY IS PAGAN” people typically distort or make up the family relationships between the pagan gods they accuse the Trinity of ripping off.
what's the Spirits name? We know the Fathers name and the Sons name
..but what's the Spirits name? can anyone help with this question?
Another great vid as usual!
Finally showing some emotions, eh IP?
Immanuel Mar LOL, can you blame him. Sometimes stupidity breeds anger.
@@Mclinkin94 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Unbelievable. Another masterpiece. Great job.
Another masterpiece of confusion. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
I was just going to say it sounded like King has been reading Hislop, but you beat me to it!
I needed this channel 👏👏👏
You record this video by reading a script? I would like to translate such script and publish it in my blog along with this video embedded.
El Canal de Shackra What language do you speak?
zorionto Spanish :)
El Canal de Shackra Sure, you can do that.
***** Sure, send me a private message and I"l l reply with it.
I like your videos but the background music on some of them is annoying
Awesome video! People underestimate Satan too much. Beforing being the accuser, Satan delighted before the presence of God, so much that he wanted to be like God. They forget all false religions and created gods are inspired by Satan through the which he seeks worship. Therefore, why is it a surprise to many that paganism almost, but not completely, resembles the identity of the True Living God? Most of the time is triad in these cases...Where did they get these ideas if not from the being that was once in Gods presence and desired to be like God?
Beautifully put!
Another great and helpful video! Thank you for everything you do! God bless you! Keep up the excellent work for God's Kingdom! :)
This isn't work for God's Kingdom. It is in fact a pagan teaching. Jesus is not God.
Funniest video you've made! Keep up the good work and God bless your ministry!
FamBAMiLee Thanks :)
Yeah I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was either lol
Slightly off-topic, but do you see any relationship between Christ and Kalki? Do you think they are talking about the same thing? (I don't mean one being derived from another).
***** if you made a t-shirt that said "PAGANS" i would be first in line to buy it
LOL, that would be an interesting buy.
***** honestly i hope that line becomes regular in ur vids
AWESOME job, my brother !!! Keep up the GREAT WORK !!! Bless you !!!
Thank you for this video. It's awesome
blessings!!! I needed to see a light a the end of the dark comments at the university, my professors and students. keep the light of truth shinning. Is there a book you can recommend?
The Bible. Also ignore the trinitarians and their made up doctrines.
Making know of some minor differences and thereby denying for what it is, does not change what it is! So what there are many types of Trinities. It's worship given to a 3 in 1 God. It's Pagan! The Trinity is not only Pagan it's unscriptural! I don't even need to know the history of it being rooted in Paganism ... it's simply unscriptural. It's not in the Bible! "God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind." - Number 23: 19 What is God nature???
Then you need to show evidence it is pagan, not assume what you want.
Notice how rubbish the reply is that he gave to you? These trinitarians love running away from their Bible.
@@thetrinitybusters Yelp ... you give them scripture after scripture proving their doctrine is ridiculous they just keep doing the same thing and avoid those scriptures and just keep twisting the few scripture they use to teach the trinity. What really mind boggling is Jesus himself debunked the issue of being equal John chapter 5. In John chapter 8 Jesus calls his accusers liars and that their Father is Satan. So the fact is Trinitarians believe Jesus accusers who are liars who Father is actually Satan. So yeah its pagan and thus it comes from Satan himself. And what's really mind boggling they don't believe Jesus whom they say is their God. *What a paradox!*
To answer your question, the first Trinity concept to be taken up by the Catholic fathers was that of Philo of Alexandria. He was the one who first mentions "the three persons of the trinity." He also taught that the "logos" was preexistent with the Father.
So where does he say that? Because I have read Philo, have you? Never once does he "trinity" and he was not a trinitarian. He was more similar to the later arians, since he said the memra was a created being. Philo was also not a catholic father, he was a Jew.
I wrote a book on Philo's Trinity. He was Trinitarian and the first to have a revelation from his own soul, describing the Godhead as three. Have you read Eusebius' Ecclesiastical Church History? He disagrees with you on the issue of Philo being involved with the Catholic Church. I am just posting this to make you aware that there is a connection between the pagan trinities and the Catholic Church.
It is an issue of history. Philo wrote during the life of Christ. There is no evidence he called Christ savior, and again, he said the memra was a created being.
And again, allow me to quote Philo this time, "In the same manner God, being his own light, is perceived by himself alone, nothing and no other being co-operating with or assisting him, a being at all able to contribute to pure comprehension of his existence; But these men have arrived at the real truth, who form their ideas of God from God, of light from light" (De Praemiis et Poenis, 45-46).
***** See my new video, "Philo's Quotes on the Trinity."
Daaaang IP, you sound really frustrated in this video. I would be too if I was you. Guess we can both sympathize with Saint Nicholas when he punched Arius. ;) I like your points. To be honest with you, I kind of like the facts that Plato and even Hinduism had a concept of God or some divine triad. It tells me God has been discovered, but it wasn't until Christianity where full revelation was revealed. I think the God of the Hindus could actually be the true God, but interpreted in a Hindu way. Same with Zoroastrianism, and if you know the Bible, they had a good relationship with the Jews after they basically rescue them from Babylon. This i s not just for the trinity, but for monotheism in general. Socrates is said to be a monotheist. Probably the first monotheist in Greece, and he had no influences! He was killed for not believing the traditional Greek gods. God has been discovered, but interpreted in ways that cultures could understand. Even the early Israelites did it when being henotheist. But, eventually God has been revealed in the fullest by later Judaism and Christianity. I like the Neoplatonist conception of a divine triad. The One the Nous and the World Soul. It was influenced by Christianity, and some of the ideas Plotinus had for it are interesting and can be compatible with Christianity. It has been said that it was not Christianity turned into Greek philosophy, but later Christians turning Greek philosophy into Christianity. What was compatible with Christianity in Greek philosophy, the fathers used it. They could see such concepts as somehow revealed by God, or discovered about God in the past before Christianity. Saint Justin Martyr even calls early Greek philosophers as, "Christians before Christ."
woooow so just punch people who have a different interpretation of Scripture??
"I saw 3 people!" "This means they have copied the Hindu trimurti!"
The funny thing is that this is actually closer to modelism, and the funny thing is I hear oneness Pentecostals, make this claim.
As a Catholic, I say BRAVO, and God bless you friend!
Come out of that religion of heresy and abomination so you will not receive of her plagues!
@@tez817 go away man stop trying to divide Christendom even more then Protestants already have
@@convert2islaam500 Do u know who told to do idol of jesus mary and many other saints through the hands of a skillful craftmen? It is not God. It was pope who told to.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
@@delphiesmiles2423 God told Israel to make statues of cherubim (angelz) and put them in the temple of God, God also told Moses to make a serpent of brass for Israel, You probably even have pictures of relatives in your wallet or purse, or on the dresser at home, so why can't Catholics have pictures or statues of Mary, Jesus, or Saints? Catholics don't pray to the statues or icons,
@@delphiesmiles2423 I don't agree with them on their views of the pope and many things but icons are fine aslong as you don't worship them
100% well done!
There has to be 1 hour verson of you saying "PAGANS".
No, sorry.
mia mia Just record him saying it on a loop
He reminds me of the Church Lady from SNL. Instead of yelling "PAGANS", she yelled "SATAN". 🤪
amazing work
Perhaps all of these people you were opposing were actually talking about Modalism, not the idea of one god, 3 coexisting forms?
If you are going to cite my work why not provide your viewers with a link to the video you are alluding to? Wouldn't that be the honest thing to do instead of setting up a strawman to box around? Here, here is a link ruclips.net/video/Svs5qxhZ1mQ/видео.html
And if anyone has sincere questions I am always available to answer them
Robert King Sure, added it to the information section. People are welcome to go and watch :)
***** Honesty is a virtue. Hopefully you will appreciate it someday.
Robert King That is true, especially when we present history. Honesty should be a priority...
***** I address that here: ruclips.net/video/OHdquQpVPiU/видео.html
I always call it " now for a little light reading " with the link ...you know I never cheat ...present tense alluded ..
miss you round the round table ...
YES! It is pagan! Stop defending it!
How can you prove the Trinity from John 1:1 since this verse is prior to the Incarnation since the verse presents Two in Eternity not 3? Fact is that the original duality is also presented in Revelation 22:1 the Throne of God and the Lamb. So where is the throne of the Trinity and why isn't the Holy Spirit worshiped? Only Two are presented on the throne of Revelation 22:1 as being worshiped. You will not find one verse that sanctions the worship of the Holy Spirit in the Bible. Yet at the same time the Holy Spirit is not a force and is not an energy and can be blasphemed and is of the Godhead. So can you explain this?
Unlikely that you are going to get a trinitarian replying to you. They usually get confused when I bring out these verses in Revelation and in Daniel 7.
I really like InspiringPhilosophy, and think that he seems like a genuinely likeable guy.
Regarding this idea, though, it isn't necessary to show that the Trinity borrowed from specific elements of paganism to discount it, but to show that there are sufficient essential similarities between it and paganism to call it into question. For example, you'll find quite a bit of variety between different forms of polytheism, to the point of being incomparable, but they're all based on the same set of "naturally occurring" fundamental errors.
Yeah I totally agree and you also have to find a direct causal link as well.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Christian: *exists*
IP: "You know who else exists? PAGANS!11!!1!11"
Have you ever thought about writing comedy, +InspiringPhilosophy ? My wife is looking at me like I'm crazy because of you dropping the line "You know who believes this? Pagans." I'm dying over here. Good stuff.
That was great. You know who else worshipped created gods? Pagans! Brilliant. I love your videos and they are so well written, researched, articulated, and subtly funny. Keep it up.
Jesus was made by Jesus. So all of you are also worshipping creation over the Creator.
In a way the trinity is Pagan. There has been much dispute as how or if this is possible. If the trinity is a singular God segmented into three individual concepts, actions or even beings then it is at least polytheistic. In Hinduism there were many sects and great minds who saw the world differently from one another, giving several deities different names yet the same qualities. In one version of the universe Brahma is like a great sea that had no boundary he is everywhere and is everything. Vishnu is the consciousness or will of this realm yet both gods are in fact the same being. Vishnu can also be thought of as the cosmic record of everything, the web within the sea where all communication and existence takes place. This web consists of every infinitesimally small spot surrounded by every other point everywhere in all directions in a boundless universe putting every point in the center at all times. Shiva known as the destroyer has two aspects of male and female, the female half is named Shakti. These two aspects are not separate but form one process that of creation and existence and Vishnu is the experience of existence. Shiva is the male spirit/energy or animating force of the universe which is in and is Brahma and therefore Shiva is Brahma. Shakti is the female base material universe which is the energy/spirit made manifest as the physical reality. Since Shakti and Shiva are the life and existence of the universe and therefore Brahma, and Brahma is all that there is the energy/spirit is in and is everything. Now I did say Shiva is the destroyer and that he is. He is the mechanism by which the physical universe functions, and to function chang must take place. Change is a strange concept which we have given the artificial concept of time. As all physical material is formed or organized into an active system it eventually suffers entropy and is dissolved back into it's original form of energy/spirit to be reformed into everything that will come after it's physical existence as all thing are that which has existed before and exist now since there is only one thing Brahma. So Brahma is consciousness, active creation, destruction and recreation. Three in one as is the Christian trinity. The Hebrew God structure is pagan in that it has several names of God male, female and androgynous depicted by the meaning in the Hebrew formulas that show their functions. This is no different than the Hindu system. Even the most common name of God IHVH is a four fold formula of the concept of creation. This is a complex Kabbalistic mystery which I do not have the time to go into completely except that I will scratch the surface with " I or Yod is the hand or that which makes and is the masculine conscious will. H or He which means window and is the universe and considered a universal womb, the passage in and out of this world. V or Vav is the nail or vine and that which binds, the animating force. The final H or He is seen through the window of the eyes and is the material world or universe, spirit made manifest. These letters/glyphs are also masculine and feminine and stated as the father, mother, son and daughter which are related to the four elements of fire, water, air and earth. If you take these as dimensions fire is the pervasive will combined with water the of emotions and the receptive womb which gives birth to steam a gas and the element of air, the concept of consciousness but also that of volume whicj in turn are three dimensions of youth element the material world. There is more, much more but as I have said I do not have the time.
Nice vid IP finally I can talk with the JWs and INCs
But not people who know how to read their Bibles.
Pagan trinities existed in artwork long before Christianity did.
***** Another great and informative video. Thank you so much for your work! Will you be doing a quantum mechanics video next? I'm really really looking forward to it! I know the Quantum physics videos require more research and more work and are undoubtedly more tedious to do, but they are revolutionary to this channel as you are the pioneer! I thank you so much for all of your work and I hope that one day you can do this full time!
Mia Smith Expect one on quantum biology in July
***** Quantum biology? Wow, I can't wait to see what the relevance of that is, LOL
Mia Smith It is going to be epic :) The implication of quantum theory will be more realized then ever.
***** :) can't wait for it!! Make it as revolutionary as your "introspective argument video". That one (in my opinion) along with Quantum Mechanics debunking materialism is the biggy of your channel! I'm so excited for it!
***** I'm wondering how you respond to atheists who consistently argue that "there is no evidence for God's existence and thus I am justified to not believe". They cite how science has shown that the universe and biological life come about through natural means and so on. What do you say to those who say "there is no evidence for God".
this is a silly objection to the Trinity. The greek word "Theos" was first used by Pagans for the greek god Zeus so does that make the New Testament pagan now? smh. The Christians took the word and poured their own meaning into it
I would recommend "Triads and Trinity" by J. G. Griffiths (1996) University of Wales press. This is a very scholarly work, citing references and working through Trinitarian references in Egyptian and Greek sources going back to Old Kingdom Egypt.
The picture of something "Stolen" from paganism is probably going too far, but the first comprehensive accounts of any Trinity come from Plotinus, not from Christian sources.
Dale Tuggy on his website blog already did a review and criticism on and against that book (Triads and Trinity: a mini-review). My conclusion basically similar with him, but not all since he is a Unitarian. Atleast on the book Griffiths is aware that just because you find something earlier than a piece of Christian art or doctrine that resembles it, it doesn’t follow that there is any causal connection between them.
The picture uncovered by Griffiths is that a Trinitarian picture of deity goes back to the Old Kingdom in Egypt where it is found in Pyramid texts. He goes on to show how this is refined in later documents to a formula where three named deities are said to form one God. He then traces this into the Ptolemaic kingdom, where Greek philosophers are producing Trinitarian theologies. Philo of Alexandria wrote about the idea of multiplicity and unity existing in the same godhead, and in 300AD and Plotinus, the pagan philosopher who produced a developed trinity similar to that proclaimed by Alexander, Metropolitan of Alexandria, also came from Egypt. The Nicene doctrine produced by Athanasius comes from Alexander, and shows verbal similarities with the Trinity of Plotinus. This is not quite full proof of a causal link but the fact that there is a chain of witnesses in the same geographical location to a doctrine which begins more than 2000 years before Christ and develops slowly into the Trinity is a smoking gun - to presume that there is no link would be to presume that Platonic philosophy had no influence on the Church.
I understand. Personally, for me, there are some of the conclusions on the book that quiet a stretch to draw on a thought of connection (Which Dale Tuggy adressed it in his website and criticism of the book as well, which quiet unique because he is a Unitarian but he agree that the book gave little relevance, and also I don't agree with Dale view even thou some similarity thought in mine and him about the book). It's still an interesting reading of course (Did not try discredit Griffiths effort) from an Egyptologist and an interesting comparative thought, especially for specialist. That's all.
Well done!😊
Is the whole PAGAN thing become a meme here?
Time to have fun then.
I see a bunch of people in the comment section regurgitating the myth that the Trinity was invented at the council of Nicaea.
I could be wrong, but the way I always viewed it was, The Father was the Creator, Invisible, Source of all Creation. The Son/Manifestation of The Father in Flesh (Without his omnipotence, and omniscience, and Omnipresence), and The Holy Ghost/Spirit is simply, morals, law, and word of God. They're just various Forms of The One God. Please correct me if wrong.
Yeah, you're a bit off.
Here is what the Trinity is (and this is orthodox, it's from the Nicene Creed):
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets.
In other words:
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal, of the same essence. They also each participated in creation.
The Son is fully God and fully Man. Took on human nature.
The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (this is a functional thing, because the Spirit is eternal, just as the Father and the Son).
There is mutual love, and a mutual will as well.
Also, one more thing, Jesus Christ is the Word of God, not the Holy Spirit.
The sad thing is you don't even know that Trinity had a beginning in history with the gentiles, and you forget that salvation is of the Jews. imagine saying God is a three co-exixtent being, how heretic is that. God is one not three distinct individuals.
+Alvin Qua-Enoo Not at all: ruclips.net/video/BNt5NKSse0Y/видео.html
+Alvin Qua-Enoo So is Jesus God?
+Mitch 'em
at least that's what Jesus says in Revelation 1:8(KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
then Paul another Jew says, Timothy 3:16(KJV)And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
and also Acts 20:28 KJV Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God which He hath purchased with His own blood.
+Alvin Qua-Enoo ....so you if you believe what the book of revelation says about Jesus as being the alpha and the omega etc. so that means JESUS IS GOD! am i understanding you correctly? So if Jesus is God then is he FATHER?
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Mark (2:6-7)
I just recently found one gentleman who was trying to explain Odin as a trinitarian diety. It was the neatest version of modelism.
Great video. Another good argument you almost mentioned is that since many pagan gods are single deities, Unitarianism must therefore be pagan - according to their own reasoning.
It's silly what people will come up with when they assume that correlation equals causation. And even if Plato was close in his view of 3 distinct things which comprise reality, at least he was closer than others! It is possible for some people to be more correct than others, or closer to the truth, even unbelievers. The standard is not if someone said it first, but what the Bible teaches. If we presuppose the Bible is God's word, then it doesn't matter if someone held the belief prior. They simply were just correct prior to the special revelation of it.
But yes, we do see plenty of traces of God having multiple parts even with ancient Judaism and the OT as they believed that there was a part of God called the "shekinah" which was the part of God that made him known and interacted with his creation. God cannot be seen, is omniscient, and omnipresent, yet even the ancient Jews understood that there was also a part of God that was seen in physical form (hence walking with Adam in the garden, or Isaiah's vision), God applies human terms to himself such as being greived (yet knew all along what would happen), and is said to be located in specific locations such as the temple (yet God is omnipresent). Also, the OT says that Yahweh created everything, and the NT says that Jesus created everything. The OT says everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh is saved, and Rom 10:13 says all who call on the name of Christ is saved. Jesus says in John 12 that Isaiah saw his glory, speaking of Jesus as the one he saw in the vision. There are 7 places in the NT which use the definite article and refer to Jesus as "the God", and Jesus is worshiped by all creation, which only God could be.
These all point to the fact that God's nature is far more complex than ours. There is nothing in Scripture that teaches that God is a monad or is purely Unitarian. I would argue Unitarianism is heavily influenced by gnosticism, as was the case with Arianism and is the case with modern neo-Arianism with Oneness Pentecostals and Jehovah's Witnesses.
And great point at the end. Yes, Unitarianism is more similar to pagan gods than the Trinity is.
Awsome,,,,, thanx for that , helps clear the fog :)
Jesus Christ Himself said:
"FATHER... this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" John 17:1-3
Jesus also said before Abraham was IAM, John 8:58.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Please, explain your point.
@@jb_1971 IAM ego eimi which is a term only given to God.
The Greek words translate(I am), are never used as a name or placeholder for GOD in scripture - revealing this to be the product of faulty reasoning
@@SmalltimR what are you talking about🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yes it is several times first in exodus 3:14.
For me the jumps in logic that make the pagan claims false are the same jumps necessary to find the trinity in the bible.
Willy T did you watch any other video?
Truth Sayer
*Does the Trinity Doctrine Make Sense ?*
*or is it Nonsense ?*
Since the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, an Adventist author from the 1800's wrote,
“To believe that doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities.”
- (J.N. Loughborough)
Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died,
is the invisible God but was seen,
is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel,
is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return,
is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He,
is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father,
is the Son but the same age as the Father,
is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father,
is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God,
is very God and very man, came out from Himself,
prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself,
thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself,
went back to Himself,
sits at the right hand of Himself,
is His own Father and His own Son,
left Heaven and yet was there all the time.
There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible, but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities.
Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it.
And I agree.
But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity ?
Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it.
However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the
Son of God !
Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.”
How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation ? Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son ?
A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us.
A Father sent us His Son to save us.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
2 John 1:3
“Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”
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"Satan's Last Day Theology"
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Allah said in Qur'an
: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
No one asked.
Allah is the best of Deceivers (Quran 3:54). Don't tell, he's the best of planners because I know the word used here is:
ماكرين = deceivers
Captain Picard facepalm at 1:46!!!!!!
Romans 1:21-23 KJV
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
8:56 PAGANS! hahahah
(Father,Son,Holy Spirit)
Genesis 1:1-3, Matthew 28:19, Matthew 3:16-17, Luke 1:30-38, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, Ephesians 4:6.
Again read The Holy Bible clearly and Complete first Pray and get Wisdom of God in name of Lord Jesus Christ Ameen
I will make a virgin pregnant so I will be born as human, then I will put myself in great pain. Then I will say, "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself?" ....I must die so that I can forgive mankind for their sins...
That is modalism, not Trinitarianism...
@@InspiringPhilosophy and it’s a shame bc you explained moralism in the video 🤣
As a student of comparative religions, in my best estimation, ancient Heathen cultures personified creative elements, thus developing counterfeits to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. As always, feel free to disagree.
8:56 ftw..
I like this comment because as a Jehovah’s Witness we don’t worship Jesus , we worship his father Jehovah. Jesus has set the example of the way we should live our lives .
Holy Trinity
"Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in
the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or
dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son's is
another, the Holy Spirit's another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal" (Athanasian
Creed).
Foreshadowing of plurality of Persons in OT
Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; 18:1-5; 9-10; 16
Action of Triune Godhead in New Testament
Mt 3:16-17; Lk 1:35; 3:21-22
Plurality of Persons as mentioned in New Testament
Jn 14:15; 26; 15:26; Acts 1:6-8; Rom 8:9; 1Cor 6:10-11; Eph 4:4-6;
1Pet 1:2; 1Jn 5:6-7; Jude 20:21
Baptism given in name of Trinity
Mt 28:19
Blessing given in name of Trinity
2Cor 13:14
When will you Trinitarians ever ADMIT, that you Trinitarians believe and worship THREE GODS?
3 persons*
@@misterauctor7353 And WHERE in the Bible do we read GOD is THREE PERSONS?
@@IsJesusGod. Try watching IP's videos?
Because they don’t, that’s a strawman, you’re incorrectly defining the Trinity one God three persons. It’s impossible for you to provide a meeting for critique of trinitarianism when you incorrectly defined it. When are you gonna give up your pseudo ahistorical nonsense, and your conspiracy theories.
This is new to me about the trinity. My understanding of the Unitarian view, was that it was The Bishop Michael Servicus who questioned the trinity doctrine and ultimately got burned at the stake by the Catholics for heresy.
That was a long time after the trinity doctrine was established.
Yeahyy I love your videos IP. Im praying for you, that your faith will be kept safe in the hand of your father, and that you are to be blessed/prosperous in your private life by Him! :) God is good!
Nb! One thought I got though, be careful using facepalms in your videos. I see atheists use them alot, and I feel they use them just for expressing that we as believers are dumb. I dont think we as christans should do the same. Our arguments is powerful enough!
:)
Notice how many Christian Channel switched off their commentary section, just like in Church, where no question will be entertained.
They speak and you just swallow all line, hook and sinker down your throat. Just have faith.
Jesus said God is One and he is a Messenger (John 17:3).
The Pagan Church said God is 3 in 1. (Nothing of this TrinityConcept in the bible. John 10:30 has been rebutted in John 17:21).
Who do you follow...???
The teachings of Jesus or the Pagan Church...???
Read 1 John 5:7
PAGANS!
I love how modalism is described as heretical...that a God that has knowledge beyond our comprehension and spoke the universe into existence could not possibly be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all at the same time, that it actually has to be 3 separate gods in one God...tell me, which one is more line with Deuteronomy 6:4 declaring that God is one? Last time I checked, one is not 3, it’s 1. Jesus even attests to this fact when He declared that He and the Father are ONE. John 10:30.
You skipped John 3:16
Weird...something from the Trinity is missing in John 3:16 🤔
If that's the case then I can only wonder why Unitarians leave it aside...anyway remember to wash your hands thoroughly
Rusiate Fifita, I would say that our understanding of God is about as complete as a single celled amoeba’s understanding of what is a human, but one day God will sort it out. I don’t find it difficult at all to believe that the God that created the universe and everything in it, and exists outside of it could be both in Heaven in control of the universe while being the Messiah here on earth. But that’s my two cents worth.
@J.W. H. I can only explain from a trinitarian perspective...
Goodness I missed you so much. Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Man the fact that in your arguments you quote Christian Orthodox Fathers of the Church says that you do know what ur saying.Bravo!Keep up your good work!Δοξα Πατρι και Υιω και Αγιω Πνευματι και νυν και αει και εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων.Αμην.
ohn 2o:17 Jesus is saying to her, "Do not touch Me, for not as yet have I ascended to My Father. Now go to My brethren, and say to them that I said, 'Lo! I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and (My God and your God). If Jesus is God, how can he have a God, when the Bible says there is only ONE GOD?
Jesus said God is Superior . John 14:28 My father is greater than I.
If God and Christ are equal, then how is God greater than Christ?
Jesus taught that he and the father are one purpose not part of a trinity. John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given them, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE. As you can see when Jesus said he and the father are one, he is stating they are ONE IN PURPOSE, just as those who Jesus gave glory to. They are all in one purpose also. They didn’t become part of a trinity.
Simple question: If Christ is God the Father, then why would Christ be the beginning of creation of God? How could God have a beginning and be the first born of every creature? Colossians 1:15 Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature.
John 12: 49 seeing that I speak not from Myself, but the Father Who sends Me, He has given Me the precept, what I may be saying and what I should be speaking." 50 And I am aware that His precept is life eonian. What, then, I am speaking, according as the Father has declared it to Me, thus am I speaking. Jesus does exactly what the father tells him to do. He receives commands from the father. He does nothing on his own. What he says and does is given to him by the father. Can you see how they are one purpose, and not a three part GOD? They work together as one, just as mentioned above John 17:22
If Christ is God, then how can he learn anything from God? He would already know it right? Hebrews 5: 8 even He also, being a Son, learned obedience from that which He suffered." John 8: 28 Jesus, then, said to them again that "Whenever you should be exalting the Son of Mankind, then you will know that I am, and from Myself I am doing nothing, but, according as My Father TEACHES Me, these things I am speaking." Another thing. Why does Christ not know the day and the hour of his return if he is God? Matthew 24: 36 Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, NOR THE SON; except the Father only. God is the only one who has knowledge of everything. Jesus knows what the father tells him.
Christ also says John 5: 30 I can not do anything of Myself. According as I am hearing am I judging; and My judging is just, for I am not seeking My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me . Jesus said he is not seeking HIS will, but the will of the Father. John 6: 38 for I have descended from heaven, not that I should be doing My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me." See the separation?
1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus. If Jesus is God, why does he need to mediate for himself?
Mark 10: 18 Now Jesus said to him, "Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except One, God." Do I need to explain this one? Nah, I’m sure you see it.
I could go on and on with this note, and show you a whole lot more,but I am going to end it this way.
1 Corinthians 15: 28 And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son (Jesus) Himself will be made subject to Him(GOD) who put all things under Him(Jesus), so that God may be all in all. Notice that when Christ has subjected all to himself, then he(Jesus) will be SUBJECTED TO GOD. GOD will become ALL in ALL. Everything, Everyone (including Jesus) is subjected to God.
I address these:
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Oh I'm sure you "have addressed these". You mean to say "you speak them away to fit your belief". Pay attn: But I'm sure you won't, because you are so deeply embedded in your Trinity belief. All I can do is show you the truth.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matthew 1:18)
"But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (Matt. 1:20)
If, as the doctrine of the Trinity states, that the Holy Spirit, is the third PERSON of the Trinity, then the Holy Spirit is Jesus' Father; not the Father.
That's how messed up these unscriptural doctrines and creeds make things.
"Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. (2 John 3)
TheMarklbs Matthew doesn't say that... How Jesus' physical nature name about doesn't determine who His heavenly Father is, obviously...
First and foremost Matthew 1:18 and 20 do say that. Secondly I showed you some truth. What you do with it is up to you. If you want to twist and turn as the scribes and theologians do attempting to justify a false doctrine, fine, but understand, your only leading the blind.
TheMarklbs Jesus was already in existence before the incarnation... So He didn't come into existence through conception of the Holy Spirit... How Jesus became physical doesn't show who His Father is. This should be obvious.
The trinity is not consistent with Biblical scripture, not the OT or the NT. It isn't based on a pagan belief. It IS a pagan belief.
are you a muslim?
amuslimguy genesis 1:26
"Let US make man in OUR image"
what else could god be refering to?
cant be angels
Genesis 1:26 and 3:22 can only represent a conversation within the Trinity. God the Father is having a “conversation” with God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament hints at the plurality of God, and the New Testament clarifies this plurality with the doctrine of the Trinity. Obviously, there is no way we can fully understand how this works, but God has given us enough information to know that He does exist in three Persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Wayne Ekeh Lol. Interestingly enough, the plural "We" is also used of Allah in the Qur'an many, many times, not too far from the "Elohim" in the Torah. Though I agree that itself is not conclusive proof of plurality or Trinity.
amuslimguy and if your gonna go with the plural of majesty dont bother the same word elohim is used when god says do not have any other gods before me. so for some reason god refers to false gods rather graciously as he would himself.
its like if he called false gods i am. it borders on the nonsensical
ipso246 01 it is? kindly show me
The One True GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is GOD ALONE, on His own, with NO Gods next to Hm, or like Him. Isaiah 46:9.
The Catholic TRINITY is a terrible deception.
Yes, the trinity truly is one major deceptive subject and most people who discuss it will pretend like they know where it originated and will always try to make a hyperbolical case for it from the scripture even though it is nowhere to be found in it, not in the Hebrew Tanakh nor the Koine Greek sources of the New Testament, to make it fit these people need to twist the meanings of words to such an extent that it's like listening to what Mormons tell about their 'great founder' Joseph Smith and the things which he claims in defense of his radically different Bible.
And to make matters worse, the very first individual to EVER use the phrase "father, son and holy ghost" in ALL history was the heresiarch Simon Magus, this is attested to in the writings of Justin Martyr, Eusebius, Origen, Tertullian, you name them, it is there.
This Simon Magus is not only the person who invented the phrase "father, son and holy ghost" but he went so far as to apply it to himself, and since he is also the founder of Gnosticism it is no surprise that until the 4th century AD the general consensus among Christians was that Jesus and The Father were not one and that they were two distinct beings, many people today will tell you that the Unitarian perspective was a manifestation of the man called Arius but that is totally wrong because it predates him, others will say that it goes back to his teacher, Lucian of Antioch, but that is also impossible because Lucian himself was educated by a layman preacher called Macarius of Odessa and since this Macarius was a layman it fits the narrative of the primitive church where the good news was spread by laymen, and not by an exclusive group of highly educated individuals, so despite the lack of evidence it is not hard to conclude that the Unitarian perspective also predates Macarius of Odessa and, personally, I believe it goes back to the earliest followers of the historic and Jewish Jesus.
Then there's the case for the term "trinity" which, believe it or not, was coined by none other than Tertullian, now I do know know whether people are aware of this but Tertullian was very much a double agent, whilst he was claiming to be a Christian he was secretly a Gnostic and, like I already mentioned, since the concept of the trinity originates from the founder and the very first Gnostic, it is not surprising to see the culmination of this concept a few centuries after the death of Simon Magus in a fleshed out form of Gnosticism, Tertullian would eventually renounce his Christian belief and openly embrace Gnosticism, he even founded his own sect.
What is also worth pointing out is the duplicity of Tertullian is no surprise, Simon Magus, Valentinus and all the other common Gnostic rabble of the day would despite their Gnostic core beliefs *STILL* claim to be Christians, you can also find this in the writings of the early church historians, even though the things they spread around were absolutely in confrontation with even the primitive Church, they still lead people astray by pretending to be Christians.
When people try to make a case for the trinity today they will tell you that the trinity is a mainstay of Christian belief and that it has always been there when no it has not and until the 4th century the vast majority of believers were of the Unitarian form, only after the council of Nicaea does the Trinity as term and concept get pushed down the throats of the fold under the penalty of death, you can see this in how the "Arian Christians" which lived among the kingdoms of the Lombards, the Ostrogoths and the Vandals were treated and how painstakingly extensive their belligerents' attempts were to destroy them from the face of the earth.
p.s. I am not in any shape or form related to Jehovah's witnesses, everything I expressed is a development of me reading about the contrast between today's form of Christianity and the one of the Primitive Church, I do not sympathize with JWs and despite them being called the modern day "Arians" they pervert the historic Christian Unitarian beliefs with a lot of occult and esoteric hyperbolic mystic teachings which are blended with a few historically plausible things so please do not perceive my comment as from a brainwashed JW, all this is based on personal research spanning many years.
@@Daurentius322 Thank you so much for you comment which was so interesting.
I no longer believe that Jesus pre - existed His flesh, but apart from that I think we are on the same fence.
May GOD bless you.
@@IsJesusGod. No worries brother, I have no issues if someone holds to that belief, the Ebionites and the Nazarenes did the same and they are the earliest followers of Jesus so we're all good bro.
Yeah you have no evidence of that, show me your evidence that the trinity was invented by the Catholic Church.
Before Abraham was IAM. Oh yeah and I watched your video that you did that supposedly proves that 28:19 is a forgery when there is absolutely no evidence to support that to you it’s complete nonsense, it’s deceptive and it’s just a conspiracy theory. OK well not no evidence you attempted to but it’s not evidence at all, your evidence is that some guy who is a professor at the University of Georgia had a different translation of Matthew.
IP’s “PAGAN” is his “That’s modalism, Patrick!”
PAGANS!
Lol.
Great video, though, as always. Very well put together and thought through with great points. You destroyed Christ mysticism with logic, fact and critical thinking, as always. Job well done, good sir. Can't wait for the next video. God bless......
PAGANS!
Paganism is the fastest growing faith in rhe Western world.
Lol.
Christianity was shaped by Paganism in the past..
Lol
@@barrystevens2699 proof?
@@Niko-nm7mj proof of which one?
@@barrystevens2699 Evidence of the last one?
@@Navii-05 You only need to know basic history to know this.
The founded of Christianity in Rome was originally a pagan. That's a good start.
The original Christianity, Gnostic Christianity had obvious Pagan similarities, reincarnation being one.
Here in the UK where I live you can still see pagan God's engraved into churches and you can still see pagan symbolic carvings on church's hundreds of years old.
The whole bible story was already told many times long before Jesus was ever thought about by pagan legends and stories. Even down to the 3 wise men. A virgin birth giving birth to the physical version of God. The sun became the son. Pagans used to have images of their gods with halos behind their heads like you see now in Christianity.
I could go on and on.
You can research all this yourself.
If the roman church stole the idea of trinity form pagans, then the most possible scenario becomes that jesus is just a person sent by God, obviously a prophet as well. And that is what quran exactly tells about jesus.
Trinity is made up just like Christmas my friend. Stop lying to yourself and worship one lord. The same God Jesus called the father. Become one with the God by practicing the true teachings.
OK then why don’t you provide the evidence, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that Jesus is God.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 give one
@@IslandZer0 "Assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" 💀 and guess what God said to Moses in the story of the burning bush. guess what He said His name is? Okay you might wanna stay in your seat for this I know its crazy but He said His name is.... "I AM that I AM" Jesus is quite literally stating that even before Abraham, He was. He is eternal with the Father. I pray that Christ opens your eyes and gives you a new heart.
@@hollyjollyg1ngy804 that does not say anything about Jesus being the God. First of all, Bible is collection of stories written by unknown authors. It’s basically collection of what “he said, she said”. And throughout time, Bible has been rewritten over 30,000 times. You can Google how many times Bible was rewritten and you will get an answer.
The quote "Before Abraham was, I am" is taken out of context or misunderstood. Some people argue that the statement was not meant to be a claim of divinity, but rather a statement of Jesus' pre-existence before Abraham.
Finally, Bible is not even the word of God. People changed and even removed stories. Here are a few for you:
✏️ 1:
The addition of the Pericope Adulterae: This is a passage in the Gospel of John (7:53-8:11) that tells the story of a woman caught in adultery and brought to Jesus for judgment. The passage was not present in some of the earliest copies of the Gospel, and it was not included in some early translations of the Bible. However, it has been included in many later versions, such as the King James Version, and is now widely regarded as canonical.
✏️ #2:
The translation of "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14: This verse prophesies the birth of a child named Immanuel, and in the original Hebrew text, the word used is "almah," which simply means "young woman." However, in some early Greek translations of the Hebrew Bible, the word was translated as "parthenos," which means "virgin." This translation was later adopted by some Bible translations, such as the King James Version, and has become a source of controversy among scholars.
✏️ #3:
The removal of the Apocrypha: The Apocrypha is a collection of books that were included in some early versions of the Bible, but were later removed by Protestant reformers during the 16th century. These books, which include Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, among others, are still included in the Catholic and Orthodox canons of the Bible.
✏️ #4:
The gender-neutral translation of certain passages: Some modern translations of the Bible, such as the New Revised Standard Version, have made efforts to use gender-neutral language in certain passages that refer to both men and women. For example, instead of using "brothers" to refer to a group of people that includes both men and women, these translations might use "siblings" or "brothers and sisters."
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The use of simplified language: Some modern translations, such as the New International Version, have made efforts to use simpler and more accessible language, particularly in passages that might be difficult for modern readers to understand. For example, some translations might use modern idioms or expressions to convey the meaning of ancient phrases or metaphors.
Trinity is made up. Jesus never claimed to be God. The Bible is man made and changed so who please don’t even quote it. It’s fake.
@@IslandZer0 i will look into your points about Isaiah and the supposed mistranslation. But everything else you’ve pointed out does not prove any point you’re trying to make. the story about the adulteress is not “widely regarded as canonical” the bible’s that do include this story all note that the story is not present in earlier manuscripts and to take the story with a grain of salt. regardless if this is story should be included or not it has no effect on essential Christian doctrine, neither do the gender neutral additions, and neither do the removal of books such as the wisdom of solomon or judith. The leading new testament critic Bart Ehrman even admitted in his book that none of these changes change or affect essential Christian doctrine. So even atheist scholars would disagree with these weak claims that the bible has been translated “30,000” times and the idea that these changes in the bible change the message. it’s the message of the gospel that saves, not exact wording/100% mistake free scripture. The bible is not the literal word of God, but the inspired word of God. Unless you want to against the study and research of top scholars, the message of the bible has been preserved without corruption. small errors or changes, but not doctrinal corruption.
Actually, while the Trimurti is modalism, Hinduism is no stranger into God being multiple personas at once.