Loved seeing them compared side by side, always appreciate your videos. A couple of additional points concerning the Veritas: 1. The locking collar can be flipped around to the other side, allowing the blade to be mounted on the outside of the plane, providing a lateral or a bullnose (i.e. open) style router for zero clearance, glue lines etc. 2. You can change blades without adjusting your depth, and having the depth stop on the adjuster allows you to maintain that setting as well. This would be useful when using the pointed blade for the bulk, and then the final clean up at full depth with the flat blade. 3. If the blade is unlocked, very little force should ever get applied to the adjuster; therefore, the depth stop would not need to be more than snug which should not damage the threads as this is brass on steel.
Every serious woodworker should have a router plane it is a very useful tool I had both of these planes about ten yrs ago returned the Lie Nielsen and kept the Veritas I liked the overall feel and it functioned very well.
I like to use a router plane to mark tenon and mortise joints. A proper depths stop helps use the same router to clean the tenons in shallow passes. A dual marking gauge is great when the mortise is offset. Other than that, I prefer marking with the router. I also went with the Veritas. Regarding Veritas' depth stop design, I agree it is poor, but the brass set screw won't damage the steel threads. If you want to go crazy, just go to a hardware store and get a 'shallow serrated flange locknut' and put it on the shaft upside down. Make sure the nut is self locking itself. It usually has hex profile, but if you get to a proper hardware store, you can find knurled or splined profile.
I live in Canada close to a LV store and found that the Veritas was selling for about the same as a used Stanley online and the Lie Nielsen was another $150cn and 6 weeks away but I could pick up the Veritas in about 20min. I think I made the right choice.
Thanks, I think the tool duel series is great! Two additional points in favor of the Veritas for me were that the blades are only a fraction of the price of the Lie Nielsen's, so you can afford to get a wider selection of blades; also, they fit my old Stanley 71. I notice the somewhat "loose" feel of the Veritas, too. I think it might be the spring loaded locking knob, which you can never tighten down one hundred percent because of the spring.
I have been looking at these for a while. The Lie Neilson is a copy of the Stanley. Lee Valley is in my backyard so I can drive over and look at it. From what I see it makes sense for me to buy the Lie Neilson and replace the blade with a Veritas which I can buy separately. This gives me the best part of both worlds and still comes in under what a 25yr old Stanley is selling for on Ebay currently.
Another great tutorial but i have some thoughts. I don't think the depth stop is going to harm the threads. The set screw is brass, much softer metal, and where the threads press against the ring is going to be a minimal force. The screw only needs to be tight enough to prevent movement, that's why it's a thumb type screw as opposed to something you'd wrench on.
Thanks for the review :-) I got my first router plane approx two weeks ago. My choise was Veritas model. The unit I got, it had a defect in the 1/2" straight blade. Pitting already visible at flat side of the blade. First project is to make a wooden holder block for diamond grinding plates :-)
I've had that Veritas router plane for about 2 years, and I never figured out that you could use the honing guide that way with the pointed blade. Probably should have read the instructions...lol
Thanks for the video, I own the Veritas, but hate the slop when adjusting the depth. I shouldn’t have to be that strong. I do like the honing guide. They both make very nice tools
At 1:33 you mention a concern (which I would share) about clamping the depth stop directly onto the threads. I THINK they might have changed this part of the design with the more recent version of this tool. Can anyone confirm? And if anyone cares to comment on the Veritas vs. Katz Moses router planes, have at it since I'm about to buy one (leaning Veritas at the moment).
Question: can’t you just put a veritas blade in the lie-nielsen plane? I know the veritas has the blade at 45 degrees compared to the lie-nielsen having it straight on. Perhaps the grooves at the bottom of the shaft that holds the blade can be angled aswell. Can anyone answer this?
Joe, not only is it 45 degrees turned. It is also another size. The grooves in the stem and the foot are specifically designed that us idiots woodworkers can not mount it wrong. So without major changes to either the blade or the plane i think you better buy the plane with the blade you prefer or the other way around. Regards, Paul
I tend to have Veritas planes, largely because I live 20 minutes from a Lee Valley shop. I have the Veritas router plane and have found it very useful, not an arcane bit of expensive kit only for professionals.
TBH, I don’t see any problem with the Veritas depth stop, Matt. I don’t over tighten it, so it doesn’t damage the thread- then when I screw down the depth control I stop the moment I feel resistance. I’ve been using it for several months & as a relative rookie haven’t made any mistakes. I much prefer the handles of the Veritas, & being able to remove the blade & sharpen in the jig is a big plus.
Good review over all Matt. I like your delivery overall and do go thought the items very thoroughly. On the Veritas router the depth stop is a bump stop and not a rigid stop. Its common sense here, why would you do that in the first place.! Also, any owner who really don’t like this could just file a cord of the threads off the diameter and you now have a flat, and it would not hurt the adjustment nut at all. I am surprised that Veritas does not do this in the first place. Two points that I think hit home with me on routers. 1. The handles on the Veritas I think are better also for so many reasons then the vertical set as you mention and is the most important feature to consider. Ergonomics of a tool. 2. Close throat vs open. I like the idea of the stability of a close throat and the idea that you can turn around more visibility when required. Also as suggesting for future videos - I so over and so tired of the finger clicking video BS. Simple and direct videos, to the point are the best use of everyone's time! Keep up the good work - your comment on lathe work surprised me, but for me I would not attempt Japanese Lacquering techniques. I thought shellac was a process, wow Lacquering is a real process / art.
That was my choice and I'm so happy with it the setup for sharpening sold me but also all the blade choices. I purchased the kit to use on inlay that said I've never done any inlay but I do have one coming up.
Your shop looks like its starting to take shape, can see some storage that was in before is gone so hopefully you will be able to get going making stuff soon.
I have the Veritas medium router. That one doesn't have a depth adjustment screw, so the depth stop just goes on the blade instead. Can't you do the same, or is the depth stop on the big one too small to fit around the blade post? If so, you could always make your own from a stripped nut and a set screw.
Matt, I am new to hand tool woodworking. I am building my selection of tools. I have seen your videos on shoulder planes and now your router planes. When I purchase them I was wondering if the shoulder plane could be used for both operations until I could purchase or construct a router plane. Thanks for the videos.
Booooo. I was feeling great about myself, until I read that you’ve got a wood turning series. :). Great video. I’ve been losing a lot of 71 auctions looking for a complete router plane, but the driving factor is the Veritas price. Why buy used when I can buy a new LN or Veritas. You made up my mind here.
2:30 well, I can see why veritas put the depth stop on the screw thread.... So you don't have to take it off to sharpen the blade. Can't lose it. (on the other hand, the screw holding the blade...) You shouldn't turn down hard on your depth stop anyway. It's an indicator, not a roadblock.
Vertas seems like the winner. I just googled both of them and I'm seeing way more blade options on the veritas as well as an inlay cutter head that I don't see available for the LN. Both seem like really nice tools though and the LN price seems on par with or even under what complete Stanley no 71s that it's based on that goes for on ebay these days (which is ridiculous in my opinion).
hi there, love your videos, I own the lie Nielsen router plane and yes free hand sharpening is a pain especially since I also have there honing guide. L/N should design a way of fitting the router blade. however I feel I must correct you on one thing_ the L/N router plane also has a pointed blade accessory. mine is the closed mouth version but if you had the open mouth version and wanted to use it on thin stock you could fix a thin piece of plywood to its base. Cheers Dan
Either would be great. As to sharpening, I run the bottom on the stone to create the burr on the top. Then just take the burr off by finding the angle on the stone. Just much easier and faster. Learned that from a Chris Schwarz video and it works very well.
Love the series Matt. I haven't heard you mention it in any of your videos, but do you have relationships with both Veritas and Lie-Nielsen or are you buying all these tools to duel out?
Cheers Paul! I work at Axminster Tools and Machinery so I often have to compare the two models for customers who are stuck between them. I temporarily steal these tools from stock when filming these videos.
That makes sense! I'm looking to dive in head first and after watching your videos and hitting a couple of shows I think I've settled on LN for things like an 8, 4, block and low angle jack, and then Veritas for their chisels and well packaged (at least through Lee Valley) routing planes bundle. In your experience, is this how most of your buyers tend to go? Do sales numbers/returns tell any story above and beyond the amazing videos you've put out on RUclips?
Hi Matt, I have the Veritas router plane and have a question for you. (I have already sent an email to Lee Valley about this but thought asking your opinion would work also. Anyway, the V blade on mine does not make a flat bottom groove. The point digs deeper into the wood than the sides. the only way to get a flat bottom groove is to go back with the straight blade and flatten it out. Is this the way yours works also? I expected it to create a flat bottom but maybe that's not it's purpose. I'm not talking the length of the groove, but the width not being flat. With the bottom of the cutters angled I don't really see how the V shaped one could possibly create a flat bottom, but maybe I'm missing something. Thanks for the very informative video. Don
I have the same router plane. The V blade is not for flat bottoms - its for fast material removal. If you want the bottom flat then you need the final cuts to be done with a straight blade. Like you say, I don't think the V blade can do a flat bottom either. The end of the V is a bit lower than its sides. I was testing this out on mortices for a bed build. The V was not useful here, but a chisel and the router plane with the flat blade was.
hey Matt, could you show us a short demonstration on how the angled routerplane takes away more material? i would love to see the difference betweeen a regular blade and the 45° cutting edge. CHEERS
I've probably watched this video 20 times and still can't make a choice. What I may end up doing is buying an old Stanley 71 1/2 and using the Veritas blades.
also I love your bench, I understand you made it yourself and it looks fantastic. have you any recommendations as to a brand of work bench for sale as I simply haven't the time to make my own? cheers
Strange that V would have the foresight to put ridges on the blade/post interface, but use a locking mechanism that stresses the threads .... Different design team? Needs work to sort out the latter, particularly @ around 150 quid .. wonder if they'll change it.
Great comparison Matt, like your videos a lot. The old Stanley / Record hand routers didn't have a depth stop and never gave me any cause for concern but I like the idea and prefer the stop on the Lie Nielson. Keep em coming!
Great video, a thorough comparison in a short time. One question though -- why would you tighten down the depth adjustment on the Veritas _after_ setting the depth stop? Once the depth adjustment is locked with the locking collar at the bottom it seems to me you should be good to go. I treat the depth stop as a measurement reference -- you allow the adjustment knob to barely reach it -- then you are at the bottom of your cut. If I don't need the depth stop, I let it sit loose at the bottom. Or am I misunderstanding how I should be using tool? I'm no expert.
I'm not the least intimidated by free hand sharpening. After accumulating a ridiculous number of both cast iron and wooden bodied router planes, I became convinced of the excellence of the Lie-Nielsens and set about trying to find their price or, maybe, one to buy. Both the Veritas and L-N can accommodate an oversize shoe to increase their utility, an appealing attribute. As of 8 May 2021 there seem to be none available from the manufacturer, other retailers, or on the used tool markets. Does anyone know why?
I've always wondered what that aluminum piece that holds the Veritas blade is for! Now if l can find it so I can sharpen it. Thanks so much for the video!
also when I looked recently, the Veritas "medium-sized" router plane can use all the blades from the standard, larger router plane. you don't have to buy a separate set like you do for the "mini". I haven't looked at Lie-Nielson, I don't know if that is an issue with them.
I wouldn't think so. Paul might not have tightened it properly. I would agree the excellent L-N is smarter in this respect but on the other hand I never use so much force on my Veritas router plane that this has ever been a problem. After all, it's just the depth adjustment stop and does not need to take up any force - you are obviously supposed to lock the blade with the other screw which isn't properly stressed in the video. In addition, this is not a rough jack plane but a fine instrument. I'm sure you would be happy with either one. I'm sure I would have loved the L-N too, but for me it was the series of millimeter blades and scoring accessory that turned me to Veritas. I have planes from both families and flatly refuse to claim one is better than the other. Each have their advantages and they complement each other. But, as so often with men, we have this need to proclaim a winner. Like with cars, like with Mac vs. PC etcetera. We are so stupid...
The open-style Lie-Nielsen router plane will allow you to remove most or all of a glue line, which you cannot do with the Veritas. On the other hand, the Veritas has an inlay blade that appears to be a useful thing.
Great video again. Lie-Nielsen seem to be really great planes which are made extremely well from old designs mostly. Veritas seem to be way more innovative and also have really high quality products. So with most of them it almost looks like it comes down to either smart modern features or well made traditional designs. Stop being a wuss man, turning is awesome!! :D
These are great videos! I keep asking myself... how does he afford all these expensive tools? x) Also on the veritas one, you could just unscrew the blade from the bottom instead of removing the whole shaft.
Hahaha i was going to make the 'you never see a woodturning video from me' comment... But, i was to late wahahah! Love your video's btw. Today I watcht your whole Berta serie (again) cheers. Arco netherlands
I think the Lei Nielsen gets it because of the flimsy adjustment, in a later video you used a Veritas video and I noticed that you wanted to drop it a little bit only and all you did was loose the screw then you fastened it and it dropped more that it should, at the end at that video your work piece came out wrong do to this problem. I think the work piece accuracy and clean cuts will always beat the body mechanics of holding the tool and the easy sharpening. Cheers
Great video Matt. I cannot imagine a company such as Veritas over looked the implications of their depth stop locking on the machine thread of the adjusting mechanism. They must have debated this and feel confident that their Router plane will hold up to a lifetime of adjustments; or more importantly the machine thread will stay intact. But like yourself, it really seems like the wrong approach. Lee
Good review. Get on eBay buy a Stanley router plane and the veritas blades fit the old Stanley's perfect. Win win and a lot cheaper on the pocketbook..
I was bidding on a Stanley router plane for ages a few years ago, but some bastard kept outbidding me on it. Few weeks later I go and visit my mate and see the exact same router plane sitting on his Workbench. Turns out we were bumping eachother up without knowing!
I'm still torn between the two. Yeah, the Veritas is easier to sharpen, but that depth stop on the threads worries me. But I do like the splayed handles. The Lie-Nielsen has the traditional design that I'm used to on my antique Stanley and I like how the depth stop is against a flat surface. The type of wood used doesn't really concern me much since I will probably make my own handles anyway (I really like walnut) and keep the originals for spares. Very informative video.
Thanks Dennis, er, sorry, Matt, that was very useful and timely because I am just days away from ordering a router but just couldn't make up my mind which one. So, for me, it's going to be the Veritas. And, it just so happens that both Axminster and D&M have just received new stock of the Veritas which has been unavailable for a while. Now, where's my credit card. . . . . . . . . . .
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'You'll never see a wood turning video from me'
*Starts wood turning series in January, 2019*
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I came here to quote you saying just this. :-)
was just about to highlight this lol!
When are you going to turn some new cherry handles for the router plane?
Exactly what I was going to comment on 7:18
Wonder if you remembered this yourself or someone pointed this out.
Loved seeing them compared side by side, always appreciate your videos. A couple of additional points concerning the Veritas:
1. The locking collar can be flipped around to the other side, allowing the blade to be mounted on the outside of the plane, providing a lateral or a bullnose (i.e. open) style router for zero clearance, glue lines etc.
2. You can change blades without adjusting your depth, and having the depth stop on the adjuster allows you to maintain that setting as well. This would be useful when using the pointed blade for the bulk, and then the final clean up at full depth with the flat blade.
3. If the blade is unlocked, very little force should ever get applied to the adjuster; therefore, the depth stop would not need to be more than snug which should not damage the threads as this is brass on steel.
And I was just looking at Lee Valley's site, and getting the fence on top of the router plane is only $10 more. Price goes from $199 CAD to $209 CAD.
Every serious woodworker should have a router plane it is a very useful tool I had both of these planes about ten yrs ago returned the Lie Nielsen and kept the Veritas I liked the overall feel and it functioned very well.
Did you have any issues with the screw threads wearing out because the depth adjustment is directly on the screw thread?
@nasarazam no but haven't used much.
I like to use a router plane to mark tenon and mortise joints. A proper depths stop helps use the same router to clean the tenons in shallow passes. A dual marking gauge is great when the mortise is offset. Other than that, I prefer marking with the router. I also went with the Veritas. Regarding Veritas' depth stop design, I agree it is poor, but the brass set screw won't damage the steel threads. If you want to go crazy, just go to a hardware store and get a 'shallow serrated flange locknut' and put it on the shaft upside down. Make sure the nut is self locking itself. It usually has hex profile, but if you get to a proper hardware store, you can find knurled or splined profile.
I live in Canada close to a LV store and found that the Veritas was selling for about the same as a used Stanley online and the Lie Nielsen was another $150cn and 6 weeks away but I could pick up the Veritas in about 20min. I think I made the right choice.
Thanks, I think the tool duel series is great! Two additional points in favor of the Veritas for me were that the blades are only a fraction of the price of the Lie Nielsen's, so you can afford to get a wider selection of blades; also, they fit my old Stanley 71. I notice the somewhat "loose" feel of the Veritas, too. I think it might be the spring loaded locking knob, which you can never tighten down one hundred percent because of the spring.
Time to bring the Katz Moses router plane in for a comparison and verdict
I have been looking at these for a while. The Lie Neilson is a copy of the Stanley. Lee Valley is in my backyard so I can drive over and look at it. From what I see it makes sense for me to buy the Lie Neilson and replace the blade with a Veritas which I can buy separately. This gives me the best part of both worlds and still comes in under what a 25yr old Stanley is selling for on Ebay currently.
Another great tutorial but i have some thoughts. I don't think the depth stop is going to harm the threads. The set screw is brass, much softer metal, and where the threads press against the ring is going to be a minimal force. The screw only needs to be tight enough to prevent movement, that's why it's a thumb type screw as opposed to something you'd wrench on.
Thanks for the review :-) I got my first router plane approx two weeks ago. My choise was Veritas model. The unit I got, it had a defect in the 1/2" straight blade. Pitting already visible at flat side of the blade. First project is to make a wooden holder block for diamond grinding plates :-)
I've had that Veritas router plane for about 2 years, and I never figured out that you could use the honing guide that way with the pointed blade. Probably should have read the instructions...lol
Haha there we go! Glad I was able to provide something of use!
Thanks for the video, I own the Veritas, but hate the slop when adjusting the depth. I shouldn’t have to be that strong. I do like the honing guide. They both make very nice tools
At 1:33 you mention a concern (which I would share) about clamping the depth stop directly onto the threads. I THINK they might have changed this part of the design with the more recent version of this tool. Can anyone confirm? And if anyone cares to comment on the Veritas vs. Katz Moses router planes, have at it since I'm about to buy one (leaning Veritas at the moment).
Question: can’t you just put a veritas blade in the lie-nielsen plane? I know the veritas has the blade at 45 degrees compared to the lie-nielsen having it straight on. Perhaps the grooves at the bottom of the shaft that holds the blade can be angled aswell. Can anyone answer this?
Joe, not only is it 45 degrees turned. It is also another size. The grooves in the stem and the foot are specifically designed that us idiots woodworkers can not mount it wrong. So without major changes to either the blade or the plane i think you better buy the plane with the blade you prefer or the other way around. Regards, Paul
@@PaulM-ls6qj Oh, I see. Thanks a lot for clarifying!
I tend to have Veritas planes, largely because I live 20 minutes from a Lee Valley shop. I have the Veritas router plane and have found it very useful, not an arcane bit of expensive kit only for professionals.
TBH, I don’t see any problem with the Veritas depth stop, Matt.
I don’t over tighten it, so it doesn’t damage the thread- then when I screw down the depth control I stop the moment I feel resistance.
I’ve been using it for several months & as a relative rookie haven’t made any mistakes.
I much prefer the handles of the Veritas, & being able to remove the blade & sharpen in the jig is a big plus.
I'm sure they are both more than acceptable but it is nice to hear someone, who's opinion you respect, say "i like this one better"
Could the depth stop from the Lie Nielsen be used on the Veritas?
Can the veritable fence get as close to the cutting blade as the Nielsen?
In my Veritas router plane, the adjustable fence can move against the blade edge (1/2" straight blade). Hope this helps :-)
Matt this series of your plane videos is getting from day to day better. Keep on doing it! 👍
Good to see another young guy working wood! Enjoying the content!
I am not much of a comment type person but I have to leave one. I am loving these videos and thank you for putting them together!
Thank you Nick, I'm enjoying filming them too!
Good review over all Matt. I like your delivery overall and do go thought the items very thoroughly. On the Veritas router the depth stop is a bump stop and not a rigid stop. Its common sense here, why would you do that in the first place.! Also, any owner who really don’t like this could just file a cord of the threads off the diameter and you now have a flat, and it would not hurt the adjustment nut at all. I am surprised that Veritas does not do this in the first place.
Two points that I think hit home with me on routers. 1. The handles on the Veritas I think are better also for so many reasons then the vertical set as you mention and is the most important feature to consider. Ergonomics of a tool. 2. Close throat vs open. I like the idea of the stability of a close throat and the idea that you can turn around more visibility when required.
Also as suggesting for future videos - I so over and so tired of the finger clicking video BS. Simple and direct videos, to the point are the best use of everyone's time!
Keep up the good work - your comment on lathe work surprised me, but for me I would not attempt Japanese Lacquering techniques. I thought shellac was a process, wow Lacquering is a real process / art.
What’s the nice looking honing guide you show?
I need both. I have the Lie-Nielsen one, now you have necessitated another purchase. Feel free to do more.
Can you put the Veritas blade in the Lie Nielsen?
That was my choice and I'm so happy with it the setup for sharpening sold me but also all the blade choices. I purchased the kit to use on inlay that said I've never done any inlay but I do have one coming up.
Your shop looks like its starting to take shape, can see some storage that was in before is gone so hopefully you will be able to get going making stuff soon.
I have the Veritas medium router. That one doesn't have a depth adjustment screw, so the depth stop just goes on the blade instead. Can't you do the same, or is the depth stop on the big one too small to fit around the blade post? If so, you could always make your own from a stripped nut and a set screw.
Matt, I am new to hand tool woodworking. I am building my selection of tools. I have seen your videos on shoulder planes and now your router planes. When I purchase them I was wondering if the shoulder plane could be used for both operations until I could purchase or construct a router plane.
Thanks for the videos.
Yea buy the shoulder plane first as that will be the most useful and versatile. Only buy the router plane when you actually need it!
I had a chance to work with both of the router planes and I liked the Veritas more .
are the blade interchangeable between the brands?
"You'll never see a wood turning video from me"...
I LOL'ed at that point as well.
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What tools do you use to substitute a lathe?
Booooo. I was feeling great about myself, until I read that you’ve got a wood turning series. :). Great video. I’ve been losing a lot of 71 auctions looking for a complete router plane, but the driving factor is the Veritas price. Why buy used when I can buy a new LN or Veritas. You made up my mind here.
2:30 well, I can see why veritas put the depth stop on the screw thread.... So you don't have to take it off to sharpen the blade. Can't lose it. (on the other hand, the screw holding the blade...)
You shouldn't turn down hard on your depth stop anyway. It's an indicator, not a roadblock.
Vertas seems like the winner. I just googled both of them and I'm seeing way more blade options on the veritas as well as an inlay cutter head that I don't see available for the LN.
Both seem like really nice tools though and the LN price seems on par with or even under what complete Stanley no 71s that it's based on that goes for on ebay these days (which is ridiculous in my opinion).
hi there, love your videos, I own the lie Nielsen router plane and yes free hand sharpening is a pain especially since I also have there honing guide. L/N should design a way of fitting the router blade. however I feel I must correct you on one thing_ the L/N router plane also has a pointed blade accessory. mine is the closed mouth version but if you had the open mouth version and wanted to use it on thin stock you could fix a thin piece of plywood to its base. Cheers Dan
Ah what I meant was the Veritas had the pointed blade included, rather than an optional add on!
Either would be great. As to sharpening, I run the bottom on the stone to create the burr on the top. Then just take the burr off by finding the angle on the stone. Just much easier and faster. Learned that from a Chris Schwarz video and it works very well.
Love the series Matt. I haven't heard you mention it in any of your videos, but do you have relationships with both Veritas and Lie-Nielsen or are you buying all these tools to duel out?
Cheers Paul! I work at Axminster Tools and Machinery so I often have to compare the two models for customers who are stuck between them. I temporarily steal these tools from stock when filming these videos.
That makes sense! I'm looking to dive in head first and after watching your videos and hitting a couple of shows I think I've settled on LN for things like an 8, 4, block and low angle jack, and then Veritas for their chisels and well packaged (at least through Lee Valley) routing planes bundle. In your experience, is this how most of your buyers tend to go? Do sales numbers/returns tell any story above and beyond the amazing videos you've put out on RUclips?
Would the depth stop from the L-N fit on the Veritas blade...or could you fabricate a depth stop that works like the L-N?
BigAl205 no the veritas is angled by 45 degrees which then lacks room. But you could probably make one to fit
Thanks for this. I was trying to decide between the two, and this helped a lot!
I am going to buy a closed mouth router plane
Hi Matt,
I have the Veritas router plane and have a question for you. (I have already sent an email to Lee Valley about this but thought asking your opinion would work also. Anyway, the V blade on mine does not make a flat bottom groove. The point digs deeper into the wood than the sides. the only way to get a flat bottom groove is to go back with the straight blade and flatten it out. Is this the way yours works also? I expected it to create a flat bottom but maybe that's not it's purpose.
I'm not talking the length of the groove, but the width not being flat. With the bottom of the cutters angled I don't really see how the V shaped one could possibly create a flat bottom, but maybe I'm missing something.
Thanks for the very informative video.
Don
I have the same router plane. The V blade is not for flat bottoms - its for fast material removal. If you want the bottom flat then you need the final cuts to be done with a straight blade.
Like you say, I don't think the V blade can do a flat bottom either. The end of the V is a bit lower than its sides.
I was testing this out on mortices for a bed build. The V was not useful here, but a chisel and the router plane with the flat blade was.
hey Matt, could you show us a short demonstration on how the angled routerplane takes away more material? i would love to see the difference betweeen a regular blade and the 45° cutting edge. CHEERS
Id rather have a single peice blade rather than a two peice because of durability. Also what if the screw breaks? I like the Nelson one better.
Do you have an opinion on the Cowryman or Woodstock router planes on Amazon?
Can you use the Veritas blades on the Lie-Nielsen?
Veritas told me the threaded rod is stainless and the screw is brass so will NOT damage the threads. I have one now.
I've probably watched this video 20 times and still can't make a choice. What I may end up doing is buying an old Stanley 71 1/2 and using the Veritas blades.
do those fit together?
What’s the name of the intro music? Love it
being able to keep the depth settings when changing blades/sharpening with the Veritas could prove quite useful as well I suppose
Simon Ringuet that's exactly what I was going to say. Set up the depth and you can sharpen and return to the same point much easier..
also I love your bench, I understand you made it yourself and it looks fantastic. have you any recommendations as to a brand of work bench for sale as I simply haven't the time to make my own? cheers
Strange that V would have the foresight to put ridges on the blade/post interface,
but use a locking mechanism that stresses the threads .... Different design team?
Needs work to sort out the latter, particularly @ around 150 quid .. wonder if they'll change it.
Great comparison Matt, like your videos a lot.
The old Stanley / Record hand routers didn't have a depth stop and never gave me any cause for concern but I like the idea and prefer the stop on the Lie Nielson.
Keep em coming!
Great video, a thorough comparison in a short time. One question though -- why would you tighten down the depth adjustment on the Veritas _after_ setting the depth stop? Once the depth adjustment is locked with the locking collar at the bottom it seems to me you should be good to go. I treat the depth stop as a measurement reference -- you allow the adjustment knob to barely reach it -- then you are at the bottom of your cut. If I don't need the depth stop, I let it sit loose at the bottom. Or am I misunderstanding how I should be using tool? I'm no expert.
I'm not the least intimidated by free hand sharpening. After accumulating a ridiculous number of both cast iron and wooden bodied router planes, I became convinced of the excellence of the Lie-Nielsens and set about trying to find their price or, maybe, one to buy. Both the Veritas and L-N can accommodate an oversize shoe to increase their utility, an appealing attribute. As of 8 May 2021 there seem to be none available from the manufacturer, other retailers, or on the used tool markets. Does anyone know why?
I've always wondered what that aluminum piece that holds the Veritas blade is for! Now if l can find it so I can sharpen it. Thanks so much for the video!
For me the Veritas also wins because it as a wider variety of blades that are available. It can even be configured with special inlay blades.
also when I looked recently, the Veritas "medium-sized" router plane can use all the blades from the standard, larger router plane. you don't have to buy a separate set like you do for the "mini". I haven't looked at Lie-Nielson, I don't know if that is an issue with them.
Just used this video to cement my christmas list decision. Well... part of it! Thanks Matt!
I may be late but I was hoping for a demo in the duel
I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, but i was wandering which one of these two i should buy today!
Good to know I'm in sync with my viewers!
Is there a cheap beginner brand? Im not interested in paying 400$ for a router plane when ive never used one before haha
Plenty! I’d recommend having a look through eBay for a record or Stanley one. They’re what the Lie Nielsen was based off
@@MattEstlea thanks. Was not expecting a quick response on an old video. Good man👌
7:18 - "you'll never see a wood turning video from me." Didn't you just buy a lathe?
Great review 👏 veritas for the win and at almost half the price.
Not to mention the Veritas is a lot cheaper. I’ve just bought one and love it.
I would like to see demos of both tools on edges and flat. Future vid.
Both work great. But I'm old school and will go with the Stanley mock LN. Over the veritas any day. Nostalgia I guess. Thanks for the video.
Nothing wrong with that, as long as it works for you!
I wouldn't think so. Paul might not have tightened it properly. I would agree the excellent L-N is smarter in this respect but on the other hand I never use so much force on my Veritas router plane that this has ever been a problem. After all, it's just the depth adjustment stop and does not need to take up any force - you are obviously supposed to lock the blade with the other screw which isn't properly stressed in the video. In addition, this is not a rough jack plane but a fine instrument. I'm sure you would be happy with either one. I'm sure I would have loved the L-N too, but for me it was the series of millimeter blades and scoring accessory that turned me to Veritas. I have planes from both families and flatly refuse to claim one is better than the other. Each have their advantages and they complement each other. But, as so often with men, we have this need to proclaim a winner. Like with cars, like with Mac vs. PC etcetera. We are so stupid...
The open-style Lie-Nielsen router plane will allow you to remove most or all of a glue line, which you cannot do with the Veritas. On the other hand, the Veritas has an inlay blade that appears to be a useful thing.
informative video, thank you.
Love your Tool Duel viddies, dude.
Thanks Matt, brilliant video mate
Cheers Ken, glad you liked it!
Great instruction. Really like this fellow. As for these two planes; one is expensive and one is MORE expensive....Holy cow....cheers...rr
Thanks a lot Matt!.
Your duel videos li vs ve are the best today
They're great fun to film. Cheers mate!
Great video, informative, short and to the point. Thanks.
Would have been good to see the tools in use before a conclusion is drawn.
mrbassnotes good point !
for the price, its disappointing that Lie Nielsen would not include 3 different blades, just like the old stanley planes.
Veritas innovation sold me!
Great video again. Lie-Nielsen seem to be really great planes which are made extremely well from old designs mostly. Veritas seem to be way more innovative and also have really high quality products. So with most of them it almost looks like it comes down to either smart modern features or well made traditional designs.
Stop being a wuss man, turning is awesome!! :D
I made so many of those 71s
These are great videos! I keep asking myself... how does he afford all these expensive tools? x) Also on the veritas one, you could just unscrew the blade from the bottom instead of removing the whole shaft.
He's very likely sponsered like many youtubers.
I get around a lot.
But no, I work for Axminster Tools and Machinery on weekends. I borrow these from their display for a couple of days.
Thanks! I’ve been shopping for a router plane lately and wondered about the differences between these two market offerings.
Hahaha i was going to make the 'you never see a woodturning video from me' comment... But, i was to late wahahah! Love your video's btw. Today I watcht your whole Berta serie (again) cheers. Arco netherlands
I think the Lei Nielsen gets it because of the flimsy adjustment, in a later video you used a Veritas video and I noticed that you wanted to drop it a little bit only and all you did was loose the screw then you fastened it and it dropped more that it should, at the end at that video your work piece came out wrong do to this problem.
I think the work piece accuracy and clean cuts will always beat the body mechanics of holding the tool and the easy sharpening. Cheers
Great video Matt. I cannot imagine a company such as Veritas over looked the implications of their depth stop locking on the machine thread of the adjusting mechanism. They must have debated this and feel confident that their Router plane will hold up to a lifetime of adjustments; or more importantly the machine thread will stay intact. But like yourself, it really seems like the wrong approach.
Lee
Good review. Get on eBay buy a Stanley router plane and the veritas blades fit the old Stanley's perfect. Win win and a lot cheaper on the pocketbook..
I was bidding on a Stanley router plane for ages a few years ago, but some bastard kept outbidding me on it. Few weeks later I go and visit my mate and see the exact same router plane sitting on his Workbench. Turns out we were bumping eachother up without knowing!
Good video! I will take the Veritas thank you.
Nice review Matt
I enjoy watching your videos.
If the Veritas blade fits in the Lie-Nielsen router you'd have a perfect router. :)
Very well done. Thanks,
Veritas all the way.
Good on ya mate. Good video!
Thank you, this was really concise and helpful.
Bravo, yet again.
What about woodriver??????
I don't think they make a router plane, but I have one of thier number 5 bench planes and like it a lot.
I would love to see them added to the dual though since they are more affordable and feature a lot of the adjustments comparable to LN planes.
I'm still torn between the two. Yeah, the Veritas is easier to sharpen, but that depth stop on the threads worries me. But I do like the splayed handles. The Lie-Nielsen has the traditional design that I'm used to on my antique Stanley and I like how the depth stop is against a flat surface. The type of wood used doesn't really concern me much since I will probably make my own handles anyway (I really like walnut) and keep the originals for spares. Very informative video.
Thanks Dennis, er, sorry, Matt, that was very useful and timely because I am just days away from ordering a router but just couldn't make up my mind which one. So, for me, it's going to be the Veritas. And, it just so happens that both Axminster and D&M have just received new stock of the Veritas which has been unavailable for a while. Now, where's my credit card. . . . . . . . . . .
Thanks Alex. I think it will be the Veritas and it's reassuring to know you've been happy with it for a few years.
THANK YOU!
Heres a link to fabricating a custom depth stop for the LV router plane. www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeTools/DepthStopsForVeritasRouterPlanes.html
Thanks. You are funny and make this fun.