Are Older Bikes "Better"? Aprilia RSV Mille R
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2022
- A brief delve into the discussion around older bikes being overall "better" than newer ones in 2022 while onboard my 2002 Mille R. With the current equivalent bike RRP being £22,500 - what do you get for the extra £18,000? Hope you are all well :)
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Can you do a video on the entire bike collection? After all these years, I am wondering which bikes you kept.
Im going to do a video on each of them before I sell them :)
I second this request.
i third this request
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This was my question
totally agree with the statement! older bikes just somehow have more soul to them!👍
well its a question rather than a statement but I get what you mean! ha
I can't speak for bikes but modern cars are just so numb and clinical, there's no 'experience' to them now I think. I'd guess bikes are the same way.
@@JamesChurchill3 the different types of engine configurations help to keep modern bikes at least somewhat interesting
For example I have ridden a MT-07, MT-09 and MT-10, all modern bikes, but each one has character in their own unique way even for modern machines. The MT-10 is just stupid fun and the 09 triple sounds so good
But I have also ridden a TL1000S and the feeling I got from that bike was unlike any of the modern Yamaha’s. Totally raw experience, zero electronics, torque tor days. I felt way safer on the modern bikes, but thankfully they are by no means dull like modern cars are
Haha agreed! Although sometimes that soul is that of a grumpy old bastard that just wants to cause problems for you, but yeah there’s so much more character to them. I do disagree with some though - I don’t think modern superbikes are boring, or numb or anything silly, I think they’re just too good. Well too good for me and my handful of track days a year skills and opportunities lol.
With sport bikes I can’t really be going back to the 90’s or earlier though. They look the best, but they weren’t really refined yet, parts are hard to find, etc, etc. my sweet spot like most I think is 00’s sport bikes.
I actually discovered it by accident, just buying a then 10 year old gixxer to be my first track bike because that’s just what you do. It was an ‘06 and not race prepped and whilst I waited for fairings and gubbins I though it had an MOT, why not ride it? And I rode it about thinking ‘this isn’t slow, and it doesn’t handle a bit dangerously… it stops.. I’m not getting my legs/arse/balls roasted… what exactly is the downside?’ It was SO much cheaper than the bike I was riding at the time but just as fun in my unskilled hands.
Then went on a bit of a bender and at one point I had 4 mid 00’s Superbikes sitting in my garage for less than the cost of one new one out the door. That lasted one glorious summer before all the keeping a bike on the road costs came due on three of them around the same time and I decided it was too expensive to have so many pets lol.
But yeah never had Baron levels of cash to buy the exotics! I’d like to say that for me half the fun is that the old bikes are cheap and brilliant… but I wouldn’t mind a fancy pants one too lol
Older bikes have more soul than the new ones and I am getting my mille back since I sold the one I had and I realized that I made a mistake
I have a 02 RSV-R Mille Factory, I pick it up my bike from the showroom on the 24/12/04 as an Xmas gift to myself. I’ve had the bike ever since, it sits in my living room over winter. The sound of the twin and the torque is sublime, never selling it.
I am an original owner of a 2001RSV. Raced it for 8yrs. Put the street fairings back on it and ride on the street and for track days. Super reliable and I love it. Thanks for doing this video!
Can I tell you I love the 44teeth stuff, but I have to be honest I have missed these vlogs. It is a mental breath of fresh air, I don't know how you feel making the vids, but it is so good for my mental state watching these vids again, just the Baron theme tune puts a big smile on my face. People say good times but these vids feel no different to how they did all them years ago. I still feel there is a place for this and to be honest the views already show there is a demand. Thanks Baron you have made my day, I hope it was as enjoyable for you making the vids. Thanks
Thank you 😊
Agree 100%
A-bloody-men to that. So good to see you back Baron.
Ditto
I couldn't agree more
Good to hear that intro tune again
Older bikes will always have a special place in my heart, I'd love to try out a Mille one day! Great video!
@HeroRR Nice to see you in the comment section of another video
You're still around ! Hope life is treating you well.
@HeroRR your RC51 is one of my dream bikes. Hope all is well, I’m off to catch up on your channel.
Nice to see you here, rebuilding a couple 929's on my channel, inspired by your channel. Thanks dude!
With a few known engine mods and a sprocket change these bikes are phenomenal! They lose top end with a stubby so keep a proper sized can on and there amazing machines I’ve had 2 now👌
Just bought the gen 2 RSV Factory and I'm so happy with the bike! No other bike has gotten me this many thumbs up lol
You sound like your in much better spirits here. Really happy to see it, thanks for the content Baron.
Great to see these notifications dropping more often. You seem like your on top of things right now. Long may it continue for you Chris.
When you're on form mate you are very entertaining.
Old skool bikes and old skool vlogs! There's the real title!
Sooo good to have you back Baron! :) love the frequent uploads, would DIE to see all the machines you own so I think a garage tour could be epic. Cheers
Thanks Chris! So good to have you back. I love my old skool K7, a purchase inspired by you
So good to have you back baron
Thanks Jake!
Love my 04 Falco, a very underrated bike , out drags my mates TLR, you can’t beat a V twin afternoon😆 , got handlebar conversion kit on it (I am 60!) , and no baffles in 😬😬👌
Also got a ZH2 love that as well 😬
Grateful for the recent videos, always enjoyed this channel
Great style and approach to your videos I’m so glad your back !
Awesome video which brought back some great memories. As an ex Australian Superbike racer from the 90’s (when WSB was 4 cylinder Japanese 750 CC’s and the Ducati 916), as I still ride today I honestly think the Superbikes peaked in the late naughties for pure grin factor. Yes, I also own a newer ones, however I still like that ABS was two fingers on your right wrist, same hand for traction control.
Great to have you back! Couldn't agree more on the value of classic, "analogue" bikes. They offer a riding experience that is more "real" than what modern bikes can offer.
Great to have these vids back!! Love the lightening bolt in the thumbnail. Chris
Great to see you back :) your vid on anxiety and depression really struck a cord with me and made me feel i'm not alone and we can all work through our issues :) I turned to cycling and walking to help and it really does change how you feel
I just absolutely love the powerband of these Aprillia Milles, they're big twins so they pull very well down low, but even then when you reach around 6k rpm it's like having turbos that spool up because the power bump comes so immediately, and they just kick you back and make you thankful for that rear stopper supporting your behind. It feels so mechanical, not artificial, and in my opinion it is the absolute sweetspot between older carburated fully mechanical horses, and then the new electric gizmo machines of today. Early-mid 2000s were imo nirvana for sports bikes.
My Mille (not R, but it's factory red so that counts for +10 whp) has around 30k miles (oe 47k km) and it rides absolutely like a charm. Had it for nearly a year now, no issues at all. The imitating choker does wonders on cold starts, and it handles like a dream. You can feel that these were bred for fast pace riding even if they're 20 ish years old now, they still carry that soul.
So true.. I've had an RSV 2002 model. So brutal, so raw, so much fun and they need to be respected 🔥🔞
If you think the Rotax V60 is a great power plant, try and blag a ride on a '97 TL-S - it's pure hooliganism!
Having said that, I'd happily own another Mille but not a TL.
I'm not fond of broken bones...
That bump in power is the well documented "flat spot" its around 4-5k rpm, mine used to do the same thing and I described it the exact same way its like a turbo or vtech lol, modded collector, open air box and the eprom chip fixed the flat spot almost entirely, just need a custom map to get the most out of everything. Should be around the high 120's whp 🤞
@@88budz I'm sure a custom setup could change the dynamic of power delivery, although it is (at least with mine) not a flat spot as the bike has linear pull from idle to 6k with no dropoff or flattening torque curve, it just spikes even further at 6-7k. Have full Akra exhaust didn't get that dyno'd but I do believe it further emphasizes the top end pull (at least that's what I can directly feel). I just love the way it delivers its power its so enjoyable just preparing for that extra punch to kick in.
Yours with 120whp sounds sick though I have no idea if I'm getting close to that
Chris you’ve just come out the other side of “been there, got the tee-shirt” having the latest kit is part of the journey, but you get to an age where you know what makes you 😊
So happy to see another post from yourself, so thoroughly enjoyed as is your Instagram walking channel. Your walks actually got my old butt out for a few myself, thank you for that. As for old or new I find that we all have a soft spot for bikes from the times we got into riding. I prefer to find myself on anything from my late teen years (mid 80s) over what's available today and that may be just a comfort zone thing.
Great to have you back in the youtube feed. Love the Aprilia RSV Mille R
Love the older bikes, especially the twins. Have a gen 2 Tuono myself. Couldn't agree more that these types of bikes just bring smiles for miles. And as a bonus they also seem to attract a lot attention when parked up. Which really surprised me. No rider aids and and computers, just your confidence and skill and so far have to say it keeps up and most cases surpasses most modern bikes on the twisties.
I so regret selling my 08 Tuono. Was a beast of a bike.
Recently bought my 08 Tuono!!
First bike in 14 year's. I've given her some TLC and I love it.
@@TheSd1cko get her on track and give her the beans!
@@MianCowell maybe once I've got some more milage under my belt. 14 years is a long time away 😁
I just need to get map2 sorted and a rolling road set up done. I've already fit a PC3 and some carbon Mivvs and replaced the radiator hoses that were seeping.
Love a tuono, great bike 👍🏻
Hope you're well too pal, Believe it or not I can hear it in your voice your on route to a better place.cheers
cheers Big Mac
Good to see you back on your channel! 👍 really enjoy those old bikes as well. More please!!!!
Great to have you doing Vids bud 👍 thanks for keeping us entertained
I've got a 2022 zx10r and I love it. It's awesome to ride fast and has all the tech. I also have a restored 97 cbr900rr sc33 and it's the bike that turns heads. It feels more special to take that out than the 10r for the simple reason it's survived this long. It's also comfy.
3 or 4 Separate times, I've ALMOST gotten my hands on either a SL Falco, or Mille, but EVERY damn time I call/inquire about them, "sorry, just sold".
Glad to see you back!
Just bought a Mille for $600 XD Arizona's bike market is nuts. Love the turbo builds man.
I loved my falco it was a fantastic machine.
@@bencottam7798 I had a Falco. Did all the mods - RS125 mirrors, Firestorm side-stand. Loved it. Some myopic old lady pulled out on me and it was written off. So sad.
Love mine totally agree with your observations. Great to see you posting and out in the sun having a top day.
I live in Australia and I love chilling out on the couch watching your videos and laughing at your spiel - love it
More character in an older bike. Currently in the process of getting a ‘95 CBR900RR, looking forward to riding it.
Have had three 900RR’s, regret crashing the first two and selling the third. Such fun bikes.
I have a 2002 sv650 naked and I absolutely love it. The experience is visceral, engaging, it's bright yellow and has 65k on the clock. I get loads of compliments on its sound, looks and it still goes really well.
Awesome bike! Had one years ago.. super lightweight, enough power to enjoy it in real life. The gen 1 is still the best looking and best built one in my opinion.
I had a 2006 sv650 because I like the square frame a lil more but yeah dam sv’s are awesome bikes. Easy to learn on, fast enough, light enough to throw around like mad .. it’s a great all rounder with beautiful exhaust notes
I bought a 2009 last year with 3000 kms on it from new and I just did a 2000k ride around the South Island of NZ and loved every minute. I’m 62 and the old knees got a bit sore after 6 hours
@@J2I3HI've got a Suzuki SV650S '99 model. I've had all sorts of 'performance bikes' back in the day, but having come back to biking after health induced lay off I love my SV650S (completely standard, Inc exhaust). Enough power for the street, comfortable, handles great. It's a much under rated bike in my opinion.
@@kebmel8668 one of my dreams to ride the south island of nz, Ive been there but didnt have my licence yet😔
So great seeing you putting out content mate. Proud of you for escaping the hold and glad you're back at it.
This made me nostalgic and happy, you pulled out all the stops this time! A fast bike, a little hooliganism, shopping with a helmet at the mall, double bloody deckers, and solid banter with signature BvG style, welcome back! I’ll buy an old aprilia now lol
Definitely agree, just sold my Ducati and gone back to an analogue ZZR1400 love it definitely a bike for the over 40s !
Which Ducati?
Ive got '08 GTR1400 and it is awesome. Ive run modern bikes (>2020) including zx6r, ninja 650, h2 sx, z900rs, but GTR is just more.. weird??
I'm still trying to figure out how to get into the habit of going for morning walks without making millions of excuses.
Bike wise, I've recently bought a 2015 S1000RR and I'm still sure I had more fun on my 2007 GSXR750 but that could just be how negative I'm feeling.
Just don't think... just go. 10 mins...
Buy a dog
True. Personally I find it mentally a lot more pleasant to climb aboard a naked bike nowadays. Last thing I want to do is crouch into a tuck and ride.
It's was 2013. I had just signed up for my basic rider course. My motorcycle gear just came in the mail and I sat there and watched all your videos wearing my Icon Contra Jacket. Fast forward to today I ride a Ducati and have my own channel. You're brilliant and for as long as you are uploading videos I'll be enjoying it!
It's nice to see you back making videos again. I've been subscribed to this channel for years and years now and have always enjoyed your content.. And I don't even own any bikes and never have haha.
Weirdly the bike that gets the most attention for me is my Africa Twin, I've had lairy sportsbikes with mega loud exhaust and crazy paint schemes... Nobody cared. My Africa Twin Adventure Sports has someone talk to me literally everywhere I go, the amount of old dudes that talk about the Paris Dakar is unreal 😂
I'm probably the youngest AT owner at 28 lol
True, same for me! With my previous bike nobody cared.
I'm the youngest AT owner! I'm 26. 😁
24 years old with a Ténéré 700!! Without fail someone WILL come up and talk to me about it pretty much anywhere hahaha
You young sausages, how happy people under 30 are that somebody talks with them 😅😅😅
NO!!! I AM ZE youngest AT owner at the age of 8 years old!
Sorry, I thought it was a contest… 😝
@@ThatNoblegunnerNL Ah fuck, I was honestly convinced I'm the youngest owner 😂
Yes. I had a CBR600F as my first bike and absolutely loved it. That was until a head on collision put an end to that!
One positive is I'm climbing Snowdon to raise money for Wales Air Ambulance, so that's good!
I loved my CBR600F too
I had an XBR500 as my first big bike but 8 months later Honda launched the original CBR600 and I had to have one for £3.5k. I still reflect very fondly about that bike. I'm sure it could hold its own today as well.
Thanks for this video Baron, appreciate it...brings back good memories of my '99 (1st gen) RSV Mille. I owned a grey/silver/black one from new for 20 years. Only change was the Aprilia Racing Department slip-on (the stacked exhausts version) and the accompanying chip. Bombproof that thing. Italian styling combined with Japanese reliability. It never missed a beat, needed only the regular maintenance except for a dried-out rubber overfill hose inside the tank that needed replacement. After 20 years, being a bit older and a dad, and looking ahead to the next 20 years I wanted to switch to something less racy...but I still sometimes miss that Italian beauty from Noale.
good to see your back on this channel for now. You have done some great content on here and always with a sense of humor i enjoy. The euro tours and the 24 hour challenge are gems i think and lets not forget the great stuff you do and did on 44 teeth with the bike battles. Really great stuff no one takes away from you and is from a whole different caliber then the so called nowadays content you see alot. I hope you continue to make such vids every now and then and in the same manner. Thanks for what you brought us sofar and know there s plenty people who enjoy what you do. cheers for that.......
Thanks for welcoming me back here - means a lot! The bike is actually on ebay now if anyone is interested 👍
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275318998800?hash=item401a4a8710:g:CgcAAOSw211ih42u
I still see my 2000 ZX9R as a modern bike and up until very recently it was the newest bike I've had. It's faster than me and I'm not interested in having the latest superbike and colour matched leathers etc but each to their own. Be pretty boring if we all liked the same things.
I've a 2001 e2 which ive owned for 11 years. It frightens my newer bike mates to death.
I’ve had 3 of those, got one as my first big bike when it was a couple of years old, and just kept going back, awesome bit of kit
Happy to see a bvg motovlog back on my feed. I watched you well before I had any interest in riding, great to hear your voice on a bike again!
Brilliant, great to have you back on RUclips😉👍🏽
A new Baron video with a massive bottom and mention of a double bloody decker?! Christmas came early this year.
😂
"If it starts raining just ride slower, just don't be a knob"
It seems simple, but common sense isn't so common.
Delighted to see another upload. Hope you’re enjoying making content again 😊
Really cool seeing you getting into RSV Mille Rs! I got a 2000.5 a few years ago from a friend and it's been the most fun I've ever had on two wheels. Just pure elegantly simple fun.
And oh man, the noise is so good.
I'm too afraid to ride bikes without abs.
interesting.. 🤔 out of interest do you often activate the ABS?
Do a few sit-ups a day and you'll be sorted 😁
@@BaronVonGrumble I don't think so no , but I think i've got so used to having it, that if I go back I will forget I don't have it anymore.
It's probably just a cofidence thing.
I don't know whether that makes me feel old, poor or fat. Never had abs or a bike with abs. Ah shit, its all 3!
I've never ridden a bike with ABS and cannot understand why we even need it to be honest? Although I can understand that if you became complacent and reliant on it then that's a problem. Having said that, I've never had a bike that's even been fancy enough to even have a petrol gauge 😁
In this weeks episode of Chris goes to Sainsburys....
Thanks for the great content as always. Such a nice bike too, with you on the older stuff being that little more special on the road.
Such a blast from the past hearing you mention the double bloody decker
I'm so happy that you are uploading on this channel again!
Wow I’ve been shopping around for one of these and my favourite RUclipsr has blessed me with this video it must be a sign to get one.
So entertaining after following you for years..
I come along on your rides because i can't..i hit 54 this year and felt i should remove my Jizz machine sticker from my rear window..
But kept the BVG one..
Keep this motivation..You make people happy buddy
Big older bike fan, I've filled my garage with various 90s/00s machines.. 04 Gen2 Factory RSV, '04 ZX12R, '98 750 SRAD, '99 Fireblade.. & my favourite bike, 1990 ZXR750H2. My problem is there are so many bikes I want, & I want them all 🤗
Good to have you back
I couldnt agree more. Ive got a 2002 998 that Ive had for three years now. It has 45000 miles on it and still going. Ive only been riding for about four years and I have learned so much from the bike. Keep up the good work!
Many thanks for and this baron. Awesome to have you doing videos again I really do miss content from you on this channel but of course still enjoy 44 teeth. Hope you are feeling better x
Love the older stuff just more character. Glad your back your videos got me into watching RUclips vlogs.
Couldn’t agree with you more! I still own and love my ‘99 Ducati M900 (47K miles). Bought it new and had several other bikes since. I also love my ‘06 999. I currently find myself “un-modifying” them. It is getting harder to find new OEM parts for them though.
Had a fun time watching your MV vs. 999 tour to Italy a while ago. Keep up the fun content!
Great video and never a truer word spoken about the joy of riding older bikes.
First of your videos that I've watched. Excellent stuff! I look forward to many more.
Love it! Great to see regular videos 👌🏻👏🏻
always brightens up my day when there is a BVG video! (even on a bright day:)
Great to see you posting again, been watching for years… you have to flex the rest of the collection soon.
Nice vid, good that you are back. Just bought an SV1000N K7 over the weekend with some nasty sounding exhausts, it was cheap as chips and totally rust-free. It instantly converted me into the V-Twin team.
Super happy with it, what a muscle bike!
you got me into bikes baron, appreciate it lad. best of luck to you mate
Chris, you're a national treasure. You articulate so well what others are thinking and feeling but struggle to put into words.
Fella please tell me your joking ? A national treasure ?
Thanks Baron, glad you’re back at it! We can all use a peaceful ride with friends.✌️🍻
Hi Chris, I used to sell Aprilias back in the day and they were ground breaking machines. Very exotic for down here in Australia.
Disappointing that no one spoke to you at your local bike cafe. It’s not a matter of your profile or not. It’s simply the camaraderie between motorcyclists.
This series of you commentating on life and your bike collection is very enjoyable to watch.
Thank you for bring the Baron back 👍🏍
Hi Baron, I started walking too. It’s really helped me deal with a new but challenging relationship. At the end of each walk I sit and process any troubling emotion for 10 minutes. It frees my mind for the day.
Nice to have you back BVG! 👍
Great to have you back old boy. I used to do the marketing for Aprilia in the UK and was whisked away to Noale on a special trip in about 1998 to see a new bike. We were led into a viewing room having already signed a NDA to find the new Mille in white. We were blown away especially with the way the clocks whizzed up when turning the key. Helicopter clocks I think. Anyway great bike, the swing arm is a thing of beauty. Lovely to have you back with us, did I say that already?
Bought RSV Mille 01 two months ago.Mat black colour,full stock.Best thing I've ever bought.My first liter bike.I like it alot.😎💪
I know what you mean about getting anxious when going to bike meets & cafes.
I remember once taking a trip to loomies, which is about an hour from my home. As I rode up to the cafe I noticed that there were a lot of bikes, and with that I suddenly got the jitters and in a half second crazily decided that there was not enough room for one more bike and nobody would want to talk to me anyway, so I rode on past and headed home. Cool story, I know 🥱
So happy you're doing these vids BVG, please keep them going 🙏🏻
Was soooo happy to see your upload, made my day!!! Love the bike, sounds so good. Keep ye head up!!
Great to have you back regularly Chris, keep strong mate 👍🏻
Thanks John 😊
Another top vid. Just got on dry land after being offshore....been gagging to watch it!
I’m still riding my first street bike I’ve ever bought. I was a senior in High School in 1989. She’s is a 1989 Yamaha FZR400 and I ride her at least once a month. Love the content! Aloha from Hawaii 🤙🏽
This is so true.
Love your perspective. I was going back and forth with keeping my 2010 VFR1200 or getting the Tuono V4 but only when I’m not riding. Every time I get on the old bike I forget other ones exist.
I decided to ride it another 20,000 miles, when it gets to 50k I’ll rethink it.
Happy these videos are back
I had the same bike, this brought back good memories, I agree totally with the old bikes thing, I love my F2 ZX9R keeper and ride it regularly, often in preference to my new bikes.
Great video and I'm just about to get my 2002 RSVR back on the road after a layoff of 16 years. Can't wait.
From 720p to 4k. What a journey. Lovely stuff.
My dad has had an RSV Mille R since I was so young. When you posted about yours and cult motorcycles I had a look and had to buy one for myself!
Great to see you back.
Good to have you back Baron
Thanks for another entertaining video,that ride looks brilliant!
Thanks for this lovely clip mate! I heeded your advice (not really, we just share the same opinion) and just bought a 2005 Tuono in Fluo Rosso! Spending all the cash I saved on new bolts, tuning chips, midpipe mods and carbon bits. Chuffed!
Haha great video. Keep them coming, Feels like "old times"! I love my old bikes too. Hope you are dong well. Cheers
Excellent video regarding older bikes. I’ve owned my 1999 RS250 from new, I’ve done various upgrades over the years, she takes a lot of looking after, but still puts a smile on my face 😁
That's the 2 stroker street bike I need. Aren't they close to 100HP with mods? In a light bike that's nothing to scoff at.
@@AjackLee4 Probably realistically 60-65bph with mods.
Nice to see you back :)
well done keep more vids coming great you are back!!!
Oh my god. BVG! I haven't watched one of your videos in many, many years. Logged into an old profile to do some spring cleaning and here you are... Double bloody decker 🤣
Happy you are BACK! :D
I bought a CBR929 for cheap for track days. Its so fun to ride. 179kg on my scales which is lighter than a new 600rr and more power. Its old enough that theres no electronic aids whatsoever but new enough that it has fuel injection and USD forks. It performs really well. I couldnt imagine anything more fun for so cheap