Valkyrae will probably have a tough time getting onto a brand like this again, wonder if Ulta were actually the ones who played her or if that blue light shit was all her.
She deserves the hate. Plus, now we all know how pathetic these so called "influencers" that they will support anyone or anything just for the clout and money. (except for Daph who really criticized the product and shows that RFLCT is just a scam)
I mean, I did a study at Msu years ago and theirs evidence and study’s that showed blue light emissions damaged flies eyes and brain neurons. Wouldn’t say it applies to humans but there’s definitely some science backing blue light emission from electronics being harmful.
This has been a great example and lesson as to doing your own personal research before signing up under a contract. She has no one to blame but herself.
@@officialzavior yeah let's just turn a blind eye, move on while a lesson hasn't been learned, and could happen again u know while we're at it let's just pretend she didn't throw her friends under the bus as well after people were getting skeptical that makes sense my guy
@@officialzavior Are people not allowed to have a discussion about it? This is the Internet and we're allowed to criticize her for her horrible mistake regardless of whether we bought a product or not because in the end, we, the users of the Internet, were a target audience for her brand.
I am not tech savvy...at all. However, I do spend stupid amounts of $$ on skincare/ cosmetics. When I heard about a skincare line whose main focus is blue light protection, I immediately called bullshit. I also happen to work in a pharmacy compounding lab, where dermatology is a major part of our business, not once I have discussed or have been asked about protection for blue light exposure. I am very surprised to hear that Ulta supposedly was ready to throw money at this. I think we live in a culture where people with good or bad intentions dive into companies, products, merch, etc, to see if there is any shady shit going on. So how did this even get this far into production with not one person standing up saying that this could be a major failure? This was snake oil with a new sticker slapped over.
Folks gotta realize the skincare market is already hella oversaturated. Don't need every new product that comes out. Folks just need to find a basic routine that works for them and stick with that; even better if you can consult a dermatologist. I'm pretty lucky to have pretty non-problematic skin besides proneness to getting oily, but I don't go around experimenting with a billion different products bc of some fancy claims. It's the bait of consumerism and unnecessary.
The anti aging stuff at least has legit science behind it. It is exploited as hell and it just makes the blue light stuff look more silly when compared.
I'm not a fan of hers, but I wasn't even mad that her product was a scam. I was mostly just upset that she decided to bash her friends for not defending her scam.
The ig mistake wasn’t made until after the product can out it wouldn’t have been near as big of a deal if she said that she just didn’t do enough research or that she didn’t know. It’s the fact she wouldn’t own up to it. She kept trying to shift the blame everywhere els
People underestimate how much the fans (of anyone) would respect them just admitting that they fucked up. If she would have just said, "hey, I fucked up. I'm sorry." Most people would sympathize and let it slide.
yeah look im not a fan of the situation, but these blue light skin care products are pretty common and none of them are being charged with fraud. I dont see why valkrae would be any different. Yeah its shitty but shes definitly not gonna face any legal repercussions
@@SuperReptile27 well I don't really care about blue light so I don't know if other blue light products have done this too but I think the point was fraudulency due to the complete lack of substance to the main selling point
Yes but it’s also easy to make false research and get someone who doesn’t know anything about science believe it. She also got played but it is her fault for not checking what she was signing up to.
Rae be like: "I don't need money, I could retire right now and still have money for me and my family" Also rae: tries desperately to get into one of richest industries out there, which is the beauty industry
It’s safe to even assume that the chemist team she signed up with lied/manipulated the science knowing it could manipulate her (the big money maker). Now her calling out people could be her being upset…. When Jack’s dad died, to pokimane’s Freddie issue, etc… we have zero idea what lengths Rae was involved in being there for them. So I won’t judge her for that, cause there is much behind the screen friendship that we may not be adding/removing from the scale to actually form an all encompassing balanced opinion. That’d be Poki & Jack & Rae’s thing to bother with. I’m neither defending Rae but this was hardly a Fyre Festival worthy emotional rant you kinda went on. The product is gone, and I will say that’s impressive because usually companies will still drag that contract through the rain and mud to bank on the influencers power for as long as they contractually can.
Completely agree, you explained it well! I was also thinking that the rant he was going on from this video and the last one about Rae was slightly overboard, but I didn’t want to seem like I was defending Rae :/, because I obviously understand what she did was wrong and it’s a problem, she needs to take responsibility
I don't think "lol I'm dumb I just sold my audience out to a big corporation because when have big corporations ever done anything wrong?" is a get out of responsibility free card. Valkyrae absolutely should have done research about what she was signing on to, not put the responsibility on her audience that trusts her and assumed she actually looked into what she was signing up for instead of "lol $4 million yes please." Ulta is the big bad behind all this, their rationale was never "this is a great product and we definitely want to find the perfect rep for it" it was "how do we sell more makeup to girls that play video games?" and Valkyrae was pleased as punch to be their patsy. As for people like you highlighted bringing out an emotional defense of "I don't believe she could ever do this, she worked so hard and is such a good, honest person" no hommie, that's the personality she puts on the screen, her actions are what define her, and I wouldn't call someone that takes $4 mil to shill snake oil cosmetics honest and hardworking, at least when it comes to vetting contracts. This goes beyond Valkyrae, influencers need to understand that they build an audience of impressionable young fans, corporations like Ulta know this and use influencers to get to those young fans. We see it all the time with gambling sites, practically all of Team Faze Clan sold out their sc fans for shitcoin scams, and most influencers are pretty young and easily swayed by millions of dollars and the opportunity to work with an established company. "lol I didn't know any better" is not an excuse, regardless of the intention of the influencer, they are being used for nefarious ends, they need to understand that and be careful who they take sponsorships from. Making a bag is not an excuse to abuse your fans, period.
Streamers and influencers are a little different. It's hard to explain if you don't watch streams, but after hour 4-5 you the streamer just kinda loses any cover they had and just go with it. That's why RUclipsrs are so out of their comfort zone on people's streams even though they're literally RUclipsrs. It's still absolutely her fault, but Rae's shown to be naive and too trusting a lot of times in minor situations: among us, general game streams, reddit, etc. So her "mask" is basically her anyway. This is the kinda thing she'd be too dumb to see through, unfortunately expectedly stupid and loyal. I sound like a sociopath so here I depart.
@@ilikepineappleonpizza4257 what is there hard to explain? 😂😂😂 streaming is just revamped TV shows with entertainers under a new brand called "streamers" it's common sense not to be attached to them. BUT the majority of her fanbase don't understand that. Not just her fanbase, too. It's anyone's for that matter. She becomes a brand, and she has to uphold herself to that. You dont go around and associate your movies with a an actress if they have a hefty controversy like murder or theft now, do ya? That's the purpose of PR. (Which she clearly lacks) And the purpose of keeping your personal life within your circle. Too many people form these weird parasocial relationships with people they admire and adore, it's pathetic. You as a streamer entertainer, idgaf, should be more responsible, jesus Christ she's 29!!! What girl in her early 30s does not understand basic logic and critical thinking? Smh. For shame
Rae lied and tried to throw her "friends" under the bus (namely Hasan, Poki, Jack and Daph). The drama itself isnt that huge but its the way she handled it afterwards which made ppl realize she's a scammer who can't accept being called out for her buffooneries.
@@davidfc7136 The amount of exposure you get is downright neglible. A dermatologist broke down that claim from the product recently. To summarize, you'd have to be a couple of centimeters in front of your screen for days non-stop to measure to the exposure you get from one day in the sun (iirc).
Same! I used to like her. But I started noticing shit about her I didn't like. Remember how she put a girl on blast on Twitter about that ' I feel pretty' photo? And didn't respond to the backlash for a whole day? Yeah, that's when I started disliking her
@@mourningstar6200 oh it was ages ago. It was a selfie she took of herself and a girl made a comment like if the dress is uncomfortable, take it off or something. And Rae being Rae, was petty and retweeted her comment retorting what she said knowing her fan base was gonna witch hunt that girl. Rae let that girl get backlash for a whole day and "didn't know " what that girl was going through and said "I didn't mean for her to get backlash" knowing damn well what was gonna happen when she responded to that girl
@@mourningstar6200 she's also treated some of her fans like shit. It's just so much, personally from watching her streams, I see a narcissist playing victim
One of the cofounders of the company she worked with who did the “research” was the founder of the biggest makeup MLM on the planet: AVON. She had no prior experience in the skincare or beauty industry and doesn’t deserve all the hate. She stated multiple times she was still under contract while she was speaking and was legally bound to not say certain things. She probably knows she was scammed but legally cannot say it aloud. All these RUclipsrs out here calling her out as if this video itself isn’t a cash grab for clout from her demise. Watch James Welsh’s video about this. It gives a well rounded perspective from someone who actually knows how the skincare industry and research works.
My theory on the research thing was that they might have paid actual professionals to skew facts under the promise the documents will never be seen by anyone but Rae and never made public because it would ruin careers. That or RFLCT might've got actual research then did minor edits to make it about BL from screens. BL from the sun can potentially be harmful, I don't think we truly know yet but from screens, it's not dangerous.
It's sad for her but she has to take responsibility for this. It's too easy to say if you don't like the product just don't buy it because people believe in her and this brand to be something special. So, even if she is a nice person and didn't meant to scam intentionally, she has to take the fall. It's a hard lesson, but a valuable one for the futur AND for other RUclipsrs!!!
Oi don't hate on the TJ Maxx 🤧🤧 they got me that Retinol that Vitamin C skin serum when I'm on a pinch...jk but yea if this product, wit a deep discount, contains hyaluronic acid and goodies like that it's not so bad as a regular ass high end **moisturizer**, nothing else
Kavos I have to give you a huge compliment cause all of your videos have great audio and I never have an issue understanding what you’re saying great vids as always!
Imagine if they actually had staged those DMS and leaked them on purpose so Rae could get away with this. Just a theory, not trying to hate or something.
Although this drama is kinda garbage and boring it’s drama at the end of the day, people are going to get on it, sucks it ended before it even started though.
So sympathy is deserved for a fraudulent scumbag who thinks she could take advantage of her fans and scam them this is where cancel culture works very well
Kavos is well known around the Dorset area of Lulworth for headbutting a bull down a cliff after it charged at a family of tourists! They call him Kavos the Brave at the chip-shop!
Valkyrae is genuinely a good person but I think it's a simple case of ignorance and her not asking the right or enough questions and just going with what she was told thinking it would be a good idea. Just seems like naivety from what I consider a good person who fell into a trap that was partly her fault but also she was baited by a scam company.
Yes good people tend to blatantly lie to millions and pass the blame on others while playing the victim saying they “found out who their real friends are”
@@kazkazoodles Did she though? She said more along the lines that she wished people had reached out and while she didn't word it well I don't think she meant to call them out in the way it sounded but was just going through a lot and wished that her friends had checked on her. Not saying she's in the right here but I don't see it as throwing people under the bus but just struggling with the situation and not really preparing or knowing how to address it. She messed up though that's obvious so don't get me wrong there
@@kazkazoodles By no means am I defending her recent actions, but I think it's unfair to judge her overall character based off of just that. And frankly speaking, who are we to determine if she's a good person or not?
@@sukumuieywang8058 I’m sorry, but I cant agree with that criticism. “Lie to millions” she didn’t lie out of malicious intent. She just didn’t do enough research. There are better things to criticize
Guys, it was a stupid situation she got into without doing enough research. She's admitting she's fucked up and trying to fix the situation. Stop jumping on the "uhhhhh i hate mainstream" bus
I think Valkyrae got misled. The research they showed Valkyrae was probably falsified but done well enough to convince at least rae. But anyone who has any idea on the matter would be able to pick it apart like bread. That is why they won't release the research. I am glad it's off the shelf but I don't think we should go too harsh on her, however reflect deserves all the shit that Rae is taking.
yeah people give so much shit to Rae when the real culprit, Ideavation labs and their crew of snakes, didnt get any flak. Also regarding research, i think it's extremely easy to be misled if you're in rae's position because if scientists and chemists from an established company showed the common layperson some research papers, they probably cant tell whether it is right or wrong but are probably inclined to believe them since they are the experts. the research she should have done imo is researching who her business partners are; ie Claudia Poccia the MLM queen.
Most products aimed at gamers are misleading. from vpn to useless components companies put inside gamers products. like expensive ram/rgb/mb/cases, for no reason inside prebuild pc, or 5.1 stereo headphones. or they sell 3k gamers chairs with cool logos because its "realy good for your back". all are normal products changed with useless things to be called "for gamers". everyone knows for fact those products and many more products companies push on gamers are misleading. streamers all around advertise them and no one care. The double standard to valkyrae is weird to me. if you never complain on those you have no reason to be angry now
@@corvus6380 nope, whether you think she scammed her audience or not, she'll probably still be fine as a content creator. many people have done worse things on the internet and still have a career afterwards. for example, tmartn and tom syndicate, Faze Kay, etc...
Let’s just appreciate she took people’s words and did the right thing. Like Charlie said, she was most probably scammed by the company itself and they never had any solid research. did she lie about the whole thing? Yes. She called her friends out? Yes. Made a bullshit move? Yes. Ok fine, but that happens when u say a lie it is followed by string of lies to cover them up in nerves, I get that, I’ve been there. But she made the final move everyone wanted her to make and therefore eliminated the whole fiasco and no one got scammed. Needless to say, she is obviously not a scammer. And also, she never talked bout friends who didn’t support her, only those who did, again showing she didn’t wanna farm drama but only answer people asking “did syk reach out, did poki?” She even apologized for all of that with mizkif and said she didn’t think people will take it out of hand, and told them she understood what jack does and hasan said. So she clearly wasn’t doing what Tati or other drama farmers did or what calling out friends make it seem like. In the end, bummer, she isn’t the perfect unproblematic streamer idol u and twitter wanted to have oh no, she’s made mistake, so follow her or not it’s ur choice. But her friends still respect her, Twitter doesn’t, personally I still do for actually trying to stop the scam, and she did the right thing and there’s no neeed to crucify her if she didn’t do harm to anyone, and lied to protect her reputation we all did that. (I’m just glad I’ll be able to get my corpse, Tina, Karl, sykkuno, Rae, Emma, 5up gang back cause they all took a blow and are so much fun together) ✌️ peace. Stay blessed and avoid drama and don’t amplify it and let’s not make gaming community end up like beauty did.
yeah this channel is definitely biased against her, but im not surprised since Kavos mostly covers youtubers who are actually problematic. The issue is in this case, Valkyrae is not a problematic person or content creator as seen by her track record, but Kavos doesn't seem to give her any benefit of the doubt at all. This channel basically finds a "villain" and proceed to vilify them as much as possible, but never seem to be very objective and see the issue from another perspective. But maybe that's what people want; a biased echo chamber.
I wheezed when he respond with "i couldn't say it any better" after all the guy basically said *idc let give her a pass cuz she's rae lol* 🤣🤣🤣 Who the hell listens to these people they're just maintaining relationships cuz they know she will get past this like all the others before her, this scandal is just ez social points for them.
The problem is happiness. She's not happy and is looking for it with more money. You'd think that becoming a part owner of 100Thieves would be enough. Chase contentment, not cash.
Yeah this board certified dermatologist spoke about this situation and said you would have to have your face inches from a screen and not move for a week to get skin damage that equates to standing outside in the sun for 1 minute. So ultimately blue light from screens isn’t really gonna do damage to the skin
the excuse that the company gave to not reveal the research because of competitors is bullshit. I mean, if you're the first ones with real evidence then you can get that idea copyrighted because you'll have proof that you were the first ones to have thought of it or come up with it. Why hide it when the credit will go to you? Any company or competitor will have no chance to say that the idea is theres because you will have been the first ones to put it up. SO STUPID!
This seems to be happening more and more frequently. These huge content creators getting involved with companies that are so obviously bollocks and purely exist to extort their audience.
if you're bounded by a contract you cant just "apologize and move on", that would breach the contract 🤦she fucked up signing a bad contract man and she's in the process of getting out according to recent news
I feel like the brand kinda screwed her over. People are easily misled by "research" and she wasnt experienced enough in the industry to see the red flags.
Anti-aging is just a wow word, skin care can make your skin look younger. But, my mum has been using anti-aging for a few years and I'll admit it's done something but nothing major. So if we apply a good person doing something scummy it would be different with naid shot, just because it's HER
There have been actual scientific studies done into "anti aging" and it does do something; if their was any research done on blue light they would actually be required to share their research with the scientific community for a fact check to be considered valid
It is kinda beating a dead horse. Like she fucked up, from what you’ve said she’s tried resolving it, products have been pulled. You’re grilling the girl soooo much for lukewarm tea.
They did. This other RUclipsr actually bought some of the products at Ulta before they were discontinued. She said they weren’t anything special but she said most Ulta stores around her were sold out at the time but she didn’t know if that was because Ulta was pulling the product off their shelves.
from what little research I have done blue light can damage skin but you probably don't get enough exposure from electronic screen devices for that to occur. you need a large blue light source like the Sun which can cause skin damage
I thought this was about blue screen protectors for your phones and other computers. Who convinced her that that this would would be useful for skincare?
I hate the people making excuses for her. How come we can call out other people, yet she's the exception? Cuz she's a woman? Cuz she's part of 100 Thieves? Fuck that.
i dont see anyone saying we cant call her out, I think criticism is important. but there's a line between constructive criticism and blind hate no? attacking her character when none of us know her personally seems pointless and pandering to the hate mob.
@@onigames7309 maybe hate is the wrong word, should i say blind criticism? when people say she's a scammer and just wants to milk her audience, but are not taking her track record into account? idk man
Def lost a lotta respect for Valkyrae through this stuff. A lot still doesn’t add up. The fact that she tried calling out ppl like fockin jacksepticeye for not reaching out doesn’t sit right with me.
she apologised to him and some other people privately, although streaming and reading chat was probably the worst decision she could make feel free to have your own opinion
@@Matt-bh4qy yea I mean I’m all about the people close in my life. You know I ain’t ever gonna try to throw my friends under the bus because they “didn’t msg me as soon as all this happened” I agree that was wrong too but anyone with the ability to treat their friends like that in the first place raises an eyebrow to me.
@@bumrushthequeen5544 Wdym treat her friends like that, it was just a poor not thought out response to questions, when she was trying to show appreciation for good friends it turned into calling out other streamers which probably wasn't her intention, I expect before the next stream their will be an apology video, or a twitlonger(idk what its called) in which she probably needs to address some of things she said in the stream we are both referencing.
@@Matt-bh4qy you gotta admit it’s shady right? A person like jack has done nothing but help her grow. I don’t even really expect her to do that as she doesn’t have to, those apologies should be private messages between those people. I just don’t agree with how she acted regardless of the stream. I have a lot of respect for valk. She uses her voice and for good too. I think she put herself in a tough situation and tried to deflect, which is okay just shouldn’t be doing that to yo friends ya know?
@@bumrushthequeen5544 i get what you're saying and what she did (calling out jack on stream) was really bad, but try to imagine yourself in her shoes: your two year project which you believed was revolutionary (because some scientists showed her fraudulent/misleading research) failed and people are calling you a scammer. You're confused why it's happening and at the same time are angry at the company, and also upset that the whole internet is calling you a scammer when you've always kept to your morals your whole career. She was probably going through so many emotions and feelings that she wasnt able to think straight during the stream and hence said things she didnt really mean. You could also tell from her demeanor that she was physically and mentally drained from the whole ordeal, which also shows that she was not in the right mindset. I think her biggest mistake was live-streaming her response; she should have at least waited until her mind was clear or do a pre-recorded video/twitlonger.
In my opinion too much of your research is just your guesses, you just called a bunch of bigger, smarter influences stupid for defending someone. Don't hate on people like WillNeff for voicing his opinion and then say that what he is saying is wrong, you're doing exactly what you think he's doing which is not letting people have their own opinion. Willneff and nadeshot are both important people. Secondly there was no apology video, there was a stream though which wasn't titled as an apology video it was just her answering questions from chat. The last thing I want to talk about is the fact you think she should apologise, which can't happen while you're tied to a contract because you have to admit that the research is wrong and you shouldn't buy it, which obviously will get you sued. She is a naive and too trusting influencer who made a mistake stop being a hypocrite. I may have read your opinion wrong but you really think she was purposefully scamming people even though she could just as easily do another merch line, sponsored stream, or even just a simple valkyrae moisturiser or soap or whatever. Just my opinion feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on anything I said.
Comment below your opinion on the drama and how it has all come to an end
Valkyrae will probably have a tough time getting onto a brand like this again, wonder if Ulta were actually the ones who played her or if that blue light shit was all her.
What up Kavos...
She deserves the hate. Plus, now we all know how pathetic these so called "influencers" that they will support anyone or anything just for the clout and money. (except for Daph who really criticized the product and shows that RFLCT is just a scam)
GOATED LOL
@Yulds good luck with that this guys doesn’t get much views
She should take time to reflect on this situation.
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The door, please.
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I got one right here just for him
@@AveragePizzaEnjoyer5 I don't see makoto yuki anywhere
Or she should just delete her scammy account
RFLCT products coming to a dollar tree near you.
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For a dollar I’ll do a review
Looooool
U mean pound land
I’m dying 😂😂😂
If monitors and phones could emit UV rays. RIP the planet, it would be fucking toast.
@AutoSemiMatic The big red flag was the “ground breaking research” but they don’t wanna post it because it can be “stolen”
Or people would just not use them.....
I mean, I did a study at Msu years ago and theirs evidence and study’s that showed blue light emissions damaged flies eyes and brain neurons. Wouldn’t say it applies to humans but there’s definitely some science backing blue light emission from electronics being harmful.
This has been a great example and lesson as to doing your own personal research before signing up under a contract. She has no one to blame but herself.
why dont yall just move on , yall thinkin bout this shit too hard , not like any of you bought that shit lol
She shoud've went with her first career choice, triple ex film star.
@@officialzavior yeah let's just turn a blind eye, move on while a lesson hasn't been learned, and could happen again u know while we're at it let's just pretend she didn't throw her friends under the bus as well after people were getting skeptical that makes sense my guy
@@officialzavior Are people not allowed to have a discussion about it? This is the Internet and we're allowed to criticize her for her horrible mistake regardless of whether we bought a product or not because in the end, we, the users of the Internet, were a target audience for her brand.
@@officialzavior because this is a great example of “prevent this from happening again.”
I am not tech savvy...at all. However, I do spend stupid amounts of $$ on skincare/ cosmetics. When I heard about a skincare line whose main focus is blue light protection, I immediately called bullshit. I also happen to work in a pharmacy compounding lab, where dermatology is a major part of our business, not once I have discussed or have been asked about protection for blue light exposure. I am very surprised to hear that Ulta supposedly was ready to throw money at this. I think we live in a culture where people with good or bad intentions dive into companies, products, merch, etc, to see if there is any shady shit going on. So how did this even get this far into production with not one person standing up saying that this could be a major failure? This was snake oil with a new sticker slapped over.
Folks gotta realize the skincare market is already hella oversaturated. Don't need every new product that comes out. Folks just need to find a basic routine that works for them and stick with that; even better if you can consult a dermatologist. I'm pretty lucky to have pretty non-problematic skin besides proneness to getting oily, but I don't go around experimenting with a billion different products bc of some fancy claims. It's the bait of consumerism and unnecessary.
The anti aging stuff at least has legit science behind it. It is exploited as hell and it just makes the blue light stuff look more silly when compared.
It's like she created the serum from captain america, but. She has no formula and proof...
This might be a trend just like how RUclipsrs constantly get into underage relationships drama.
@@kasumiarimura5654 yes
Hello captain 🛩️😮
this isnt even comparable? if ur talking about youtubers talking to underage fans.
One:Getting involved with minors is never drama.
Two:These RUclipsrs should do their known research on something before going all in.
I'm not a fan of hers, but I wasn't even mad that her product was a scam. I was mostly just upset that she decided to bash her friends for not defending her scam.
I'm very glad that this got terminated and I hope she takes the time to reflect and make better business decisions
*I see what you did there 😉*
So she doesn't want to use RFLCT products herself even after she claims that they did their due research? Smells like a double scam to me.
It's a possibility that Rae doesn't want to use it anymore because it will bring back the bad memories.
The ig mistake wasn’t made until after the product can out it wouldn’t have been near as big of a deal if she said that she just didn’t do enough research or that she didn’t know. It’s the fact she wouldn’t own up to it. She kept trying to shift the blame everywhere els
People underestimate how much the fans (of anyone) would respect them just admitting that they fucked up. If she would have just said, "hey, I fucked up. I'm sorry." Most people would sympathize and let it slide.
I swear most of these streamers have some kind of hive mind and it scares me, where tf did these streamers common sense go?
It went just like RFLCT did, they vanished
@@theannualantagonist5930 didn't have any common sense to begin with, just like the research
Living in the world, surrounded by yes men and adoring fans made them lose their sense of reality
They don't want to lose their potential collaboration chances if their opinion hurts the others feelings. 😥😭
This was expected to happen. Literally the people Valkrae is working with can possibly face Criminal Charges such as Fraud.
Wouldn't that also incriminate her? I mean her title is the co-owner, so she definitely has a liability. Saddening if that's true
She was Cofounder though lmfao
@@beatrizdelapena4781 didn't she abandoned her contract? I dunno if she's still Criminally Liable.
yeah look im not a fan of the situation, but these blue light skin care products are pretty common and none of them are being charged with fraud. I dont see why valkrae would be any different. Yeah its shitty but shes definitly not gonna face any legal repercussions
@@SuperReptile27 well I don't really care about blue light so I don't know if other blue light products have done this too but I think the point was fraudulency due to the complete lack of substance to the main selling point
didn't Valyrae said that she saw the research with her own eye?
Yes but it’s also easy to make false research and get someone who doesn’t know anything about science believe it. She also got played but it is her fault for not checking what she was signing up to.
THANK YOU KAVOS FOR THE UPDATES I HOPE YOUR PILLOW IS COLD WHEN YOU SLEEP 🔥
Awww
Wouldn’t you want it to be warm though so he sleeps peacefully
The slurping followed by “Oh Rae’s the best” shouldnt have me laughing this hard
They Riley reiding her shit bro😂
I "love" tries to get out of the contract after she shifted the angry mob towards Jacksepticeye
Rae be like: "I don't need money, I could retire right now and still have money for me and my family"
Also rae: tries desperately to get into one of richest industries out there, which is the beauty industry
It’s safe to even assume that the chemist team she signed up with lied/manipulated the science knowing it could manipulate her (the big money maker). Now her calling out people could be her being upset…. When Jack’s dad died, to pokimane’s Freddie issue, etc… we have zero idea what lengths Rae was involved in being there for them. So I won’t judge her for that, cause there is much behind the screen friendship that we may not be adding/removing from the scale to actually form an all encompassing balanced opinion. That’d be Poki & Jack & Rae’s thing to bother with.
I’m neither defending Rae but this was hardly a Fyre Festival worthy emotional rant you kinda went on. The product is gone, and I will say that’s impressive because usually companies will still drag that contract through the rain and mud to bank on the influencers power for as long as they contractually can.
Completely agree, you explained it well! I was also thinking that the rant he was going on from this video and the last one about Rae was slightly overboard, but I didn’t want to seem like I was defending Rae :/, because I obviously understand what she did was wrong and it’s a problem, she needs to take responsibility
Streamer of the year, folks!
Streamer of the year..
I don't think "lol I'm dumb I just sold my audience out to a big corporation because when have big corporations ever done anything wrong?" is a get out of responsibility free card. Valkyrae absolutely should have done research about what she was signing on to, not put the responsibility on her audience that trusts her and assumed she actually looked into what she was signing up for instead of "lol $4 million yes please." Ulta is the big bad behind all this, their rationale was never "this is a great product and we definitely want to find the perfect rep for it" it was "how do we sell more makeup to girls that play video games?" and Valkyrae was pleased as punch to be their patsy.
As for people like you highlighted bringing out an emotional defense of "I don't believe she could ever do this, she worked so hard and is such a good, honest person" no hommie, that's the personality she puts on the screen, her actions are what define her, and I wouldn't call someone that takes $4 mil to shill snake oil cosmetics honest and hardworking, at least when it comes to vetting contracts. This goes beyond Valkyrae, influencers need to understand that they build an audience of impressionable young fans, corporations like Ulta know this and use influencers to get to those young fans. We see it all the time with gambling sites, practically all of Team Faze Clan sold out their sc fans for shitcoin scams, and most influencers are pretty young and easily swayed by millions of dollars and the opportunity to work with an established company. "lol I didn't know any better" is not an excuse, regardless of the intention of the influencer, they are being used for nefarious ends, they need to understand that and be careful who they take sponsorships from. Making a bag is not an excuse to abuse your fans, period.
Well said. People dont realize how these influencers are LITERALLY called influencers
You typed all this so myself and one other person could reply. Lol, youtube comments are the goofiest thing ever.
@@terryhiatus who?
Streamers and influencers are a little different. It's hard to explain if you don't watch streams, but after hour 4-5 you the streamer just kinda loses any cover they had and just go with it. That's why RUclipsrs are so out of their comfort zone on people's streams even though they're literally RUclipsrs. It's still absolutely her fault, but Rae's shown to be naive and too trusting a lot of times in minor situations: among us, general game streams, reddit, etc. So her "mask" is basically her anyway. This is the kinda thing she'd be too dumb to see through, unfortunately expectedly stupid and loyal. I sound like a sociopath so here I depart.
@@ilikepineappleonpizza4257 what is there hard to explain? 😂😂😂 streaming is just revamped TV shows with entertainers under a new brand called "streamers" it's common sense not to be attached to them. BUT the majority of her fanbase don't understand that. Not just her fanbase, too. It's anyone's for that matter.
She becomes a brand, and she has to uphold herself to that. You dont go around and associate your movies with a an actress if they have a hefty controversy like murder or theft now, do ya? That's the purpose of PR. (Which she clearly lacks)
And the purpose of keeping your personal life within your circle. Too many people form these weird parasocial relationships with people they admire and adore, it's pathetic.
You as a streamer entertainer, idgaf, should be more responsible, jesus Christ she's 29!!! What girl in her early 30s does not understand basic logic and critical thinking? Smh. For shame
". . . After further reflection" shouldn't be funny, man. But damn did I snorted 😂
Rae lied and tried to throw her "friends" under the bus (namely Hasan, Poki, Jack and Daph). The drama itself isnt that huge but its the way she handled it afterwards which made ppl realize she's a scammer who can't accept being called out for her buffooneries.
Leaked DMS ? Bro those DMS look so well put like Valk and Lud knew that the DMS would be "leaked" .
lmao yeah its so funny how orchestrated it is
Yeah, they act so fake, it's cringe
@@Ditto2843 but Lud wasn't the one who leaked it.. it was Atrioc who is famously known to be terrible with computers and technology in general
Bro what neither of them leaked this wtf
@@momoducc3911 uh huh
She thought she could scam people. Glad people didnt fall for this shit.
All i gotta say is. LMAOOO. I don’t feel sorry for her tbh, don’t know why she thought that cream for Blue Light was a good idea
Especially since blue light doesn't affect your skin. Unless I'm wrong.
@@davidfc7136 I’m pretty sure there is 0 evidence blue light has any effect on skin but does effect the eyes
@@davidfc7136 The amount of exposure you get is downright neglible. A dermatologist broke down that claim from the product recently. To summarize, you'd have to be a couple of centimeters in front of your screen for days non-stop to measure to the exposure you get from one day in the sun (iirc).
@@davidfc7136 i spend about 619762 hours a week on my phone and staring at my tv screen, my skin is fucking great, it’s bullshit
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it twice, don’t like her. Never have never will
Same! I used to like her. But I started noticing shit about her I didn't like. Remember how she put a girl on blast on Twitter about that ' I feel pretty' photo? And didn't respond to the backlash for a whole day? Yeah, that's when I started disliking her
@@Ditto2843 I’ll be honest I never liked her because her behavior threw me red flags.
@@Ditto2843 wait what happened? who and what did she tweet?
@@mourningstar6200 oh it was ages ago. It was a selfie she took of herself and a girl made a comment like if the dress is uncomfortable, take it off or something. And Rae being Rae, was petty and retweeted her comment retorting what she said knowing her fan base was gonna witch hunt that girl. Rae let that girl get backlash for a whole day and "didn't know " what that girl was going through and said "I didn't mean for her to get backlash" knowing damn well what was gonna happen when she responded to that girl
@@mourningstar6200 she's also treated some of her fans like shit. It's just so much, personally from watching her streams, I see a narcissist playing victim
I can’t wait for this shit to go away so I can go back to watching Valkyrae again like old times.
One of the cofounders of the company she worked with who did the “research” was the founder of the biggest makeup MLM on the planet: AVON. She had no prior experience in the skincare or beauty industry and doesn’t deserve all the hate. She stated multiple times she was still under contract while she was speaking and was legally bound to not say certain things. She probably knows she was scammed but legally cannot say it aloud.
All these RUclipsrs out here calling her out as if this video itself isn’t a cash grab for clout from her demise. Watch James Welsh’s video about this. It gives a well rounded perspective from someone who actually knows how the skincare industry and research works.
Valkyrae been real quiet since her friends launched their own companies right after her's was a total screw up lol.
Bluelight is like a marvel characterthing
@@kasumiarimura5654 ok
My theory on the research thing was that they might have paid actual professionals to skew facts under the promise the documents will never be seen by anyone but Rae and never made public because it would ruin careers. That or RFLCT might've got actual research then did minor edits to make it about BL from screens.
BL from the sun can potentially be harmful, I don't think we truly know yet but from screens, it's not dangerous.
It's sad for her but she has to take responsibility for this. It's too easy to say if you don't like the product just don't buy it because people believe in her and this brand to be something special. So, even if she is a nice person and didn't meant to scam intentionally, she has to take the fall. It's a hard lesson, but a valuable one for the futur AND for other RUclipsrs!!!
Coming to TJ Maxx in spring 2022
Oi don't hate on the TJ Maxx 🤧🤧 they got me that Retinol that Vitamin C skin serum when I'm on a pinch...jk but yea if this product, wit a deep discount, contains hyaluronic acid and goodies like that it's not so bad as a regular ass high end **moisturizer**, nothing else
Kavos I have to give you a huge compliment cause all of your videos have great audio and I never have an issue understanding what you’re saying great vids as always!
Kavos I fucking love your vid’s man 😂
Maybe those DMs were purposely leaked?
I think so too 100% 😂
Daaaa
Imagine if they actually had staged those DMS and leaked them on purpose so Rae could get away with this. Just a theory, not trying to hate or something.
Ludwig was laughing about the leaks on stream when it was leaked i dont think hes in on it
He even name drops the actual person who leaked it
@@goddessofthots5096 this is why streamer should stay streaming and stop try to promote something that hasn't worked without proof.
Although this drama is kinda garbage and boring it’s drama at the end of the day, people are going to get on it, sucks it ended before it even started though.
I love ur videos kavos
*Nadeshot starts speaking* “oh no”
2 years down the drain…
Let's cancel blue light and hype up red light, green light
Why does she act so innocents she is just scamming people.
Anyone remember GOOP?
Glad they got rid of her crappy skin care cream. I'm sick of hearing about the blue light, too.
i mean gotta give her a bit of props for shutting it down instead of keeping it going she def can learn from this situation
So sympathy is deserved for a fraudulent scumbag who thinks she could take advantage of her fans and scam them this is where cancel culture works very well
She should just stick to streaming. Why bring all this stress into your life when you're already rich
Greed
Lately she was trying to be everywhere, like sticking her nose in too many projects
Fresh Kavos video and the content is HOT 🔥 let's fucking go
Love your vids.
Here before the blue light harms my skin
I am a decent human and do good, so if i commit a crimw once ita invalidated cause im overall a good person? Wtf
Kavos is well known around the Dorset area of Lulworth for headbutting a bull down a cliff after it charged at a family of tourists! They call him Kavos the Brave at the chip-shop!
Valkyrae is genuinely a good person but I think it's a simple case of ignorance and her not asking the right or enough questions and just going with what she was told thinking it would be a good idea. Just seems like naivety from what I consider a good person who fell into a trap that was partly her fault but also she was baited by a scam company.
Yes good people tend to blatantly lie to millions and pass the blame on others while playing the victim saying they “found out who their real friends are”
She kinda threw her friends under the bus... don’t know if that’s a “good person” thing to do....
@@kazkazoodles Did she though? She said more along the lines that she wished people had reached out and while she didn't word it well I don't think she meant to call them out in the way it sounded but was just going through a lot and wished that her friends had checked on her. Not saying she's in the right here but I don't see it as throwing people under the bus but just struggling with the situation and not really preparing or knowing how to address it. She messed up though that's obvious so don't get me wrong there
@@kazkazoodles By no means am I defending her recent actions, but I think it's unfair to judge her overall character based off of just that. And frankly speaking, who are we to determine if she's a good person or not?
@@sukumuieywang8058 I’m sorry, but I cant agree with that criticism. “Lie to millions” she didn’t lie out of malicious intent. She just didn’t do enough research. There are better things to criticize
Since they have money I dont think they understand how wack it is to waist ur money and get scammed
Shocking that I have a blue light filter on my phone. So why would I need to buy a cream.. it's ridiculous.
Guys, it was a stupid situation she got into without doing enough research. She's admitting she's fucked up and trying to fix the situation. Stop jumping on the "uhhhhh i hate mainstream" bus
I think Valkyrae got misled. The research they showed Valkyrae was probably falsified but done well enough to convince at least rae. But anyone who has any idea on the matter would be able to pick it apart like bread. That is why they won't release the research. I am glad it's off the shelf but I don't think we should go too harsh on her, however reflect deserves all the shit that Rae is taking.
Tough shit, she knows that brand comes with huge responsibility
yeah people give so much shit to Rae when the real culprit, Ideavation labs and their crew of snakes, didnt get any flak. Also regarding research, i think it's extremely easy to be misled if you're in rae's position because if scientists and chemists from an established company showed the common layperson some research papers, they probably cant tell whether it is right or wrong but are probably inclined to believe them since they are the experts. the research she should have done imo is researching who her business partners are; ie Claudia Poccia the MLM queen.
Did Ludwig Releas this helping Valky look innocent?💯🤔🤔 Idc THIS IS F****ING FUNNY!!😆😆 ahh im soo happy she got called out!!💯Good Ole "RUclipsr Scam"😂
Most products aimed at gamers are misleading. from vpn to useless components companies put inside gamers products. like expensive ram/rgb/mb/cases, for no reason inside prebuild pc, or 5.1 stereo headphones. or they sell 3k gamers chairs with cool logos because its "realy good for your back". all are normal products changed with useless things to be called "for gamers".
everyone knows for fact those products and many more products companies push on gamers are misleading. streamers all around advertise them and no one care.
The double standard to valkyrae is weird to me. if you never complain on those you have no reason to be angry now
I'm glad she is getting called on her B.S
Will it actually do anything in the end tho shes literally almost grown by 2000 subscriber's since this began
@@corvus6380 nope, whether you think she scammed her audience or not, she'll probably still be fine as a content creator. many people have done worse things on the internet and still have a career afterwards. for example, tmartn and tom syndicate, Faze Kay, etc...
🤡🤡🤡
Let’s just appreciate she took people’s words and did the right thing. Like Charlie said, she was most probably scammed by the company itself and they never had any solid research. did she lie about the whole thing? Yes. She called her friends out? Yes. Made a bullshit move? Yes. Ok fine, but that happens when u say a lie it is followed by string of lies to cover them up in nerves, I get that, I’ve been there. But she made the final move everyone wanted her to make and therefore eliminated the whole fiasco and no one got scammed. Needless to say, she is obviously not a scammer. And also, she never talked bout friends who didn’t support her, only those who did, again showing she didn’t wanna farm drama but only answer people asking “did syk reach out, did poki?” She even apologized for all of that with mizkif and said she didn’t think people will take it out of hand, and told them she understood what jack does and hasan said. So she clearly wasn’t doing what Tati or other drama farmers did or what calling out friends make it seem like. In the end, bummer, she isn’t the perfect unproblematic streamer idol u and twitter wanted to have oh no, she’s made mistake, so follow her or not it’s ur choice. But her friends still respect her, Twitter doesn’t, personally I still do for actually trying to stop the scam, and she did the right thing and there’s no neeed to crucify her if she didn’t do harm to anyone, and lied to protect her reputation we all did that. (I’m just glad I’ll be able to get my corpse, Tina, Karl, sykkuno, Rae, Emma, 5up gang back cause they all took a blow and are so much fun together) ✌️ peace. Stay blessed and avoid drama and don’t amplify it and let’s not make gaming community end up like beauty did.
yeah this channel is definitely biased against her, but im not surprised since Kavos mostly covers youtubers who are actually problematic. The issue is in this case, Valkyrae is not a problematic person or content creator as seen by her track record, but Kavos doesn't seem to give her any benefit of the doubt at all. This channel basically finds a "villain" and proceed to vilify them as much as possible, but never seem to be very objective and see the issue from another perspective. But maybe that's what people want; a biased echo chamber.
New Kavos vid…👍👌 great timing. I was watching old videos and wanted more 😂
Me too
I wheezed when he respond with "i couldn't say it any better" after all the guy basically said *idc let give her a pass cuz she's rae lol* 🤣🤣🤣
Who the hell listens to these people they're just maintaining relationships cuz they know she will get past this like all the others before her, this scandal is just ez social points for them.
She’s a L😹
Thank u for the update ♡
The problem is happiness. She's not happy and is looking for it with more money. You'd think that becoming a part owner of 100Thieves would be enough. Chase contentment, not cash.
I totally agree with you but I will lmao if 10 years from now we find out blue light is actually really bad for the skin.
Travis scott’s apology video was so much worse lmao. Its funny how people are like 30 years old with the brain of a 12 year old
The most i heard blue light can do harm to you is by keeping you awake, imagine if it actually slowly destroyed your skin.
Yeah this board certified dermatologist spoke about this situation and said you would have to have your face inches from a screen and not move for a week to get skin damage that equates to standing outside in the sun for 1 minute. So ultimately blue light from screens isn’t really gonna do damage to the skin
the excuse that the company gave to not reveal the research because of competitors is bullshit. I mean, if you're the first ones with real evidence then you can get that idea copyrighted because you'll have proof that you were the first ones to have thought of it or come up with it. Why hide it when the credit will go to you? Any company or competitor will have no chance to say that the idea is theres because you will have been the first ones to put it up. SO STUPID!
Keep up the good work !
all my homies hate Valkyrae
This seems to be happening more and more frequently. These huge content creators getting involved with companies that are so obviously bollocks and purely exist to extort their audience.
When greed over powers your morals. Smfh just apologize and move on but these “influencers” have too much of an ego to do that.
if you're bounded by a contract you cant just "apologize and move on", that would breach the contract 🤦she fucked up signing a bad contract man and she's in the process of getting out according to recent news
"I wanna hear what nadeshot has to say he's actually important" lmao 🤣😂🤣😂 I'm dying
u should make product to protect us from grey light.. u know.. from the moon radiation ;)
That Will guy is a simp trying to kiss up to Val.
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I knew something was fishy when they claimed that blue light affected your skin LMFAO
Haven’t even heard about Blue Light before this XD
I mean blue light from the sun can damage your skin but it’s entirely different from blue light from electronic devices
Keep the consistency up!! Videos are calm
I feel like the brand kinda screwed her over. People are easily misled by "research" and she wasnt experienced enough in the industry to see the red flags.
Well according to her, she's had 2 years of experience, I highly doubt that she was as "screwed over" as you think.
@@zacharyng3881 2 years of testing the products, not exactly two years of researching on her part
Anti-aging is just a wow word, skin care can make your skin look younger. But, my mum has been using anti-aging for a few years and I'll admit it's done something but nothing major.
So if we apply a good person doing something scummy it would be different with naid shot, just because it's HER
There have been actual scientific studies done into "anti aging" and it does do something; if their was any research done on blue light they would actually be required to share their research with the scientific community for a fact check to be considered valid
It is kinda beating a dead horse. Like she fucked up, from what you’ve said she’s tried resolving it, products have been pulled. You’re grilling the girl soooo much for lukewarm tea.
Kavos gotta get that bag i guess
Pokimane's new brand will flourish and really put Valkyrae to shame. Honestly I hope pokimane blows everyone out the water
I haven’t seen a kavos video in so long, i feel like my youtube doesnt promote his channel to me anymore 😲
These leaked are crazy
Did they produce any product? At all? Because if you can get your hands on it, it’s gonna be like gold rn
They did. This other RUclipsr actually bought some of the products at Ulta before they were discontinued. She said they weren’t anything special but she said most Ulta stores around her were sold out at the time but she didn’t know if that was because Ulta was pulling the product off their shelves.
from what little research I have done blue light can damage skin but you probably don't get enough exposure from electronic screen devices for that to occur. you need a large blue light source like the Sun which can cause skin damage
I hate the Will guy on 8:00
I thought this was about blue screen protectors for your phones and other computers. Who convinced her that that this would would be useful for skincare?
It seems like those reply from ludwig looks like him doesn't give a fck about valkyrae products
Why the fuck is discord always used as a private source of communication? It's truly puzzling to me
I always knew she’s a toxic person
I hate the people making excuses for her. How come we can call out other people, yet she's the exception? Cuz she's a woman? Cuz she's part of 100 Thieves? Fuck that.
i dont see anyone saying we cant call her out, I think criticism is important. but there's a line between constructive criticism and blind hate no? attacking her character when none of us know her personally seems pointless and pandering to the hate mob.
@@mourningstar6200 How is there blind hate?
@@onigames7309 maybe hate is the wrong word,
should i say blind criticism? when people say she's a scammer and just wants to milk her audience, but are not taking her track record into account? idk man
It’s pretty simple, don’t buy something simply because a celebrity/ influencer is promoting it.
“If you don’t believe the science”
Bro what science
If I, was her, I'd delete all social media accounts & RUclips, & take all the money & fly into the wind.
They won’t let her, do you really think that Rae is the brain? Clearly she isn’t, there’s number of people and agencies milking that cow (literally)
Def lost a lotta respect for Valkyrae through this stuff. A lot still doesn’t add up. The fact that she tried calling out ppl like fockin jacksepticeye for not reaching out doesn’t sit right with me.
she apologised to him and some other people privately, although streaming and reading chat was probably the worst decision she could make feel free to have your own opinion
@@Matt-bh4qy yea I mean I’m all about the people close in my life. You know I ain’t ever gonna try to throw my friends under the bus because they “didn’t msg me as soon as all this happened” I agree that was wrong too but anyone with the ability to treat their friends like that in the first place raises an eyebrow to me.
@@bumrushthequeen5544 Wdym treat her friends like that, it was just a poor not thought out response to questions, when she was trying to show appreciation for good friends it turned into calling out other streamers which probably wasn't her intention, I expect before the next stream their will be an apology video, or a twitlonger(idk what its called) in which she probably needs to address some of things she said in the stream we are both referencing.
@@Matt-bh4qy you gotta admit it’s shady right? A person like jack has done nothing but help her grow. I don’t even really expect her to do that as she doesn’t have to, those apologies should be private messages between those people. I just don’t agree with how she acted regardless of the stream. I have a lot of respect for valk. She uses her voice and for good too. I think she put herself in a tough situation and tried to deflect, which is okay just shouldn’t be doing that to yo friends ya know?
@@bumrushthequeen5544 i get what you're saying and what she did (calling out jack on stream) was really bad, but try to imagine yourself in her shoes: your two year project which you believed was revolutionary (because some scientists showed her fraudulent/misleading research) failed and people are calling you a scammer. You're confused why it's happening and at the same time are angry at the company, and also upset that the whole internet is calling you a scammer when you've always kept to your morals your whole career. She was probably going through so many emotions and feelings that she wasnt able to think straight during the stream and hence said things she didnt really mean. You could also tell from her demeanor that she was physically and mentally drained from the whole ordeal, which also shows that she was not in the right mindset. I think her biggest mistake was live-streaming her response; she should have at least waited until her mind was clear or do a pre-recorded video/twitlonger.
Will had a point there, most drama/controversy channels are just milking and taking advantage on this drama/controversy
*case in point* Kavos
In my opinion too much of your research is just your guesses, you just called a bunch of bigger, smarter influences stupid for defending someone. Don't hate on people like WillNeff for voicing his opinion and then say that what he is saying is wrong, you're doing exactly what you think he's doing which is not letting people have their own opinion. Willneff and nadeshot are both important people. Secondly there was no apology video, there was a stream though which wasn't titled as an apology video it was just her answering questions from chat. The last thing I want to talk about is the fact you think she should apologise, which can't happen while you're tied to a contract because you have to admit that the research is wrong and you shouldn't buy it, which obviously will get you sued. She is a naive and too trusting influencer who made a mistake stop being a hypocrite. I may have read your opinion wrong but you really think she was purposefully scamming people even though she could just as easily do another merch line, sponsored stream, or even just a simple valkyrae moisturiser or soap or whatever. Just my opinion feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on anything I said.
Kavos is a dying channel. Don't be surprised.