I've read the comments. I think people should videotape themselves play before criticizing others. Pickleball in general is super exciting to us players, but if someone else were to watch, and even the players themselves were to watch a video of themselves, it looks much less impressive. Kudos to the players!
This is spot on. Talked to so many players.. from 20 somethings on up who think from watching it it looks easy, lame, etc. But then you play it and its fun and good exercise. It gives some of us older folks something fun to do not quite on the full tennis court scale but bigger than ping pong and not overly physical.
Love Seeing coverage of non 5,0's. Helps the rest of the crowd compare to their peers. Thanks!! If you guys came here looking for fast play like the pros...just boost to 1.75. It looks like a pro game. No offense intended...I'm at the level of the video.
Thank you for the video Joey, definitely can see the areas I need to work on. Never easy playing against my ladies doubles partner, but it was a great weekend of Pickleball.
I’m 61 and have been playing for a few months now and I’m loving it, it’s nice to see some tournament play with people on the same level and age as myself, I’d love to give a tournament a try
This match was played at Pictona in Holly Hill, FL just outside Daytona Beach. It hosts many large tournaments each year. Last Oct my partner and I won the Silver Medal in the 3.5 65s at Pictona. I can say that we would easily beat either of these 3.5 teams who are playing in the 50s age group.
Player ratings vary all over the spectrum. What some thinks is a 3.5 in one place is probably a 3.0 or 2.5 in another, or maybe even 4.0 at another place. Ratings appear to be self determined and extremely flexible.
Who thinks what is not that important, as rating is a calculated value based on your tournaments results. It varies a bit from place to place as people do not travel too far to participate, but not as much as you portray.
Hmm... at 24:18 the guy on the near end serves from the right (even) side and they win the point. Then he serves from the left (odd side) as he should. His foot is not on the line, he serves underhand, everything appears totally legal, then the ref calls a fault on him. Why? Then his partner serves from the right side and is not called, so it does not appear to have been a wrong side fault. What happened? (Never mind, he started the serve before the ref finished calling the score.)
@@shawnmcclelland8928 I saw the problem; he started his serve before the ref finished calling the score. As for your point: Many Pickleball players are under the impression that you cannot toss the ball up on a volley serve. That is NOT TRUE. The PPA experimented for one or two tournaments with that rule, and quickly discarded it as impractical to enforce. Someone tried to call me on that the other day (for about the tenth time) and I had to explain it to him. I now have a copy of the service rules on my phone for just that reason. There is a rule that reads "4.A.8.b. When releasing the ball, the ball shall not be propelled in any direction or in any manner prior to striking the ball to make the serve. " but that is under the subsection 4.A.8 which pertains to the drop serve _only_ . There is nothing about that in the volley serve section, although it does say that you may not impart spin to the ball on your release.
The pickleball does not bounce to high, so from the kitchen if you hit the ball hard enough, it will fly out. If you hit it not hard enough, it will be smashed by opponent, that's how you are forced to dink.
I'm thinking too much age spread as Seniors being lumped as 50+. No way can my reflexes be as fast at 75 as they were when I was 50. I realize not everyone ages the same but stamina would decline some as well.
I played in several tournaments down from my 75 age group in 60+ matches at 3.0 and 3.5 skill levels. If you are a legit 3.5 doubles or mixed doubles player you should have no trouble competing against younger players at the same skill level.
You also need to remember in tournaments play one of the partners may be a 3.5 and the other a 3.0. Sometimes a good 3.0 team may play up in the tournament if permitted to do so.
I am 76 and started playing pickleball in Feb. 3 months ago and I play better. 3.5 I don't think so. To many unforced errors. Volleys that are to short. No zip in there movement. Flat footed. Poor reset, but it is fun to watch. Thank you for the video.
@@Christina4758 I played Schubert and sang when I was young , so I taped myself .... Soon after I quit. Yes, tape yourself then you will know. Do you want to?!😏
Most tournaments break out players into 5 year age bands, as long as they have enough in an age band to do so, so 50-54,55-59,60-64,65-69,70-74,etc. We always do that for the Senior Olympics.
I agree with those saying this is not 3.5. That's not a criticism of the players. We are just talking about the level of play. They are 3.0 at best. Way too many unforced errors and floating balls.
you just have a wrong image of 3.5 in your head. This is a good tournament match of 3.5s playing in 3.5 bracket. Also maybe you have not seen 3.5s on video before and most likely never seen yourself on video.
I agree with your 3.0. Although they're pretty consistent with their third shot drops, the serves and returns are deep but little patience to dink, right into banging, player positioning, not protecting the middle and shot selection, pop-ups and unforced errors.
A 3.49 rated player can easily play up against a 3.50-3.60 player without too much trouble. There is not that much difference between high 3.0 versus low 3.5. In tournaments because of the way rating systems are calculated some good 3.5 players are rated below this level and are sometimes forced to have to play down to 3.0. In this match you could say that there is a very fine line as to whether these two teams are at 3.5 or 3.0 level.
One professor said after seeing his students: They always seem to be younger every year. Be aware of the walkway-principle: As a driver you wish they would not cross and as a walker: Ahh, can they not stop! @ 74, be happy to wake up every morning (especially after a Pickleball to(u)r(na)ment :)
Thats exactly what you would expect from 3.5 seniors. These are people that have athletic ability and likely taken up PB and not tennis players (except maybe the lefty) who were 4.0+ in their youth. In the latter, you would see much more fluid movement. Glad they are having a great time and competing, at any level!
@@bbbb6066 2.5 means they have never played before. Really, learn your ratings. They are almost identical to tennis. Someone who says this is 2.5 is self inflated in their knowledge
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I've read the comments. I think people should videotape themselves play before criticizing others. Pickleball in general is super exciting to us players, but if someone else were to watch, and even the players themselves were to watch a video of themselves, it looks much less impressive. Kudos to the players!
This is spot on. Talked to so many players.. from 20 somethings on up who think from watching it it looks easy, lame, etc. But then you play it and its fun and good exercise. It gives some of us older folks something fun to do not quite on the full tennis court scale but bigger than ping pong and not overly physical.
omg I know we live in this "NEW WOKE WORLD" world but everyone should still have their own opinion...
They don't have the balls.
Love Seeing coverage of non 5,0's. Helps the rest of the crowd compare to their peers.
Thanks!!
If you guys came here looking for fast play like the pros...just boost to 1.75. It looks like a pro game. No offense intended...I'm at the level of the video.
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Thanks for the share. Some good rallies. I think this is my level . . . and it seems the jump from 3.5 to 4.0 is a steep climb!
Thank you for the video Joey, definitely can see the areas I need to work on. Never easy playing against my ladies doubles partner, but it was a great weekend of Pickleball.
You kicked butt
I’m 61 and have been playing for a few months now and I’m loving it, it’s nice to see some tournament play with people on the same level and age as myself, I’d love to give a tournament a try
You would win a tournament for sure!
The video was fun to watch, but I was particularly taken by that cool pickleball structure. Where is this?
Pictona at Holly Hills, FL
Very nice
I like that roof covering.
This match was played at Pictona in Holly Hill, FL just outside Daytona Beach. It hosts many large tournaments each year. Last Oct my partner and I won the Silver Medal in the 3.5 65s at Pictona. I can say that we would easily beat either of these 3.5 teams who are playing in the 50s age group.
They are looking really good
Player ratings vary all over the spectrum. What some thinks is a 3.5 in one place is probably a 3.0 or 2.5 in another, or maybe even 4.0 at another place. Ratings appear to be self determined and extremely flexible.
Who thinks what is not that important, as rating is a calculated value based on your tournaments results. It varies a bit from place to place as people do not travel too far to participate, but not as much as you portray.
This doesn’t look like 3.5 play to me, 3.2, 3.3
You are amazingly precise in you assumptions! How can you do that?
@@ellenmulcahy1575 they look 3.5 to me at least..... maybe even slightly better.
@@ThePickleballPirates I agree with ellenmucahy. They look like 3.25.45.86.09
Hmm... at 24:18 the guy on the near end serves from the right (even) side and they win the point. Then he serves from the left (odd side) as he should. His foot is not on the line, he serves underhand, everything appears totally legal, then the ref calls a fault on him. Why? Then his partner serves from the right side and is not called, so it does not appear to have been a wrong side fault. What happened? (Never mind, he started the serve before the ref finished calling the score.)
Was it that, or it looked like he tossed the ball up a little on his serve, it's hard not to toss it at all, but he did a pretty good toss, no?
@@shawnmcclelland8928 I saw the problem; he started his serve before the ref finished calling the score. As for your point: Many Pickleball players are under the impression that you cannot toss the ball up on a volley serve. That is NOT TRUE. The PPA experimented for one or two tournaments with that rule, and quickly discarded it as impractical to enforce. Someone tried to call me on that the other day (for about the tenth time) and I had to explain it to him. I now have a copy of the service rules on my phone for just that reason.
There is a rule that reads "4.A.8.b. When releasing the ball, the ball shall not be propelled in any direction or in any manner prior to striking the ball to make the serve. " but that is under the subsection 4.A.8 which pertains to the drop serve _only_ . There is nothing about that in the volley serve section, although it does say that you may not impart spin to the ball on your release.
I’m below the level, compare a 3.0 senior match….Pictona, right?
yes, it's Pictona
Looks about right for 3.5
I am not a player so I do not understand all the soft hits to the Kitchen. What is that all about?
The pickleball does not bounce to high, so from the kitchen if you hit the ball hard enough, it will fly out. If you hit it not hard enough, it will be smashed by opponent, that's how you are forced to dink.
I'm thinking too much age spread as Seniors being lumped as 50+. No way can my reflexes be as fast at 75 as they were when I was 50. I realize not everyone ages the same but stamina would decline some as well.
Agree. Although there are super seniors at 60+. At 70+ there are usually not enough players for normal size bracket.
I played in several tournaments down from my 75 age group in 60+ matches at 3.0 and 3.5 skill levels. If you are a legit 3.5 doubles or mixed doubles player you should have no trouble competing against younger players at the same skill level.
You also need to remember in tournaments play one of the partners may be a 3.5 and the other a 3.0. Sometimes a good 3.0 team may play up in the tournament if permitted to do so.
looking for a camera....what camera you using for this video?
DJI Pocket 2
Looks like 3.5 level play to me maybe a touch above. Medal matches can be stressful and cause more mistakes.
I am 76 and started playing pickleball in Feb. 3 months ago and I play better. 3.5 I don't think so. To many unforced errors. Volleys that are to short. No zip in there movement. Flat footed. Poor reset, but it is fun to watch. Thank you for the video.
Show your videos
It's so easy to see what other people do wrong. Watch a video of yourself and see if you are perfect.
@@Christina4758 I played Schubert and sang when I was young , so I taped myself ....
Soon after I quit. Yes, tape yourself then you will know. Do you want to?!😏
Am I the only player that dislikes the constant paddle tapping after every good play?
Riley Newman dislikes it also. But you are definitely the rare kind.
Where playing in a tournament, I find it encouraging and helps me stay connected w my partner. I know it’s not for everyone.
It's a crappy habit that I've seen in all racket sports . . . wasted movement.
No you are not
Nope!
Front court woman is super good.!
I’d like to see “Seniors” refer to people over 65
You are out of luck. In pickleball seniors ar 50+
Most tournaments break out players into 5 year age bands, as long as they have enough in an age band to do so, so 50-54,55-59,60-64,65-69,70-74,etc. We always do that for the Senior Olympics.
What is the age to be considered senior-players in pickleball, please?
50+
I agree with those saying this is not 3.5. That's not a criticism of the players. We are just talking about the level of play. They are 3.0 at best. Way too many unforced errors and floating balls.
you just have a wrong image of 3.5 in your head. This is a good tournament match of 3.5s playing in 3.5 bracket.
Also maybe you have not seen 3.5s on video before and most likely never seen yourself on video.
I agree with your 3.0. Although they're pretty consistent with their third shot drops, the serves and returns are deep but little patience to dink, right into banging, player positioning, not protecting the middle and shot selection, pop-ups and unforced errors.
A 3.49 rated player can easily play up against a 3.50-3.60 player without too much trouble. There is not that much difference between high 3.0 versus low 3.5. In tournaments because of the way rating systems are calculated some good 3.5 players are rated below this level and are sometimes forced to have to play down to 3.0. In this match you could say that there is a very fine line as to whether these two teams are at 3.5 or 3.0 level.
I just wanna jump in and play
Me too - Joey
I watch you guys play while I’m at my desk job all the time. Maybe you can give me a shoutout lol. “winter is coming” or something lol
3.5 in paddle tapping. Maybe 3.0 in play is my guess.
It's ok, you just guess wrong.
It’s easy to add cc to the video
For what?
Why did the teams switch sides during the first game?
Tournament play
What is the age for "senior "?
50+
What is the ages of these seniors?
50+
Everyone looks too young to be playing "seniors". LOL (I'm 74.) What is the age requirement.
50+
One professor said after seeing his students:
They always seem to be younger every year. Be aware of the walkway-principle:
As a driver you wish they would not cross and as a walker: Ahh, can they not stop!
@ 74, be happy to wake up every morning (especially after a Pickleball to(u)r(na)ment :)
@@gentlehorst now75 and playing the best I’ve ever played. And cherishing every moment.
Quite short rallies for 3.5. More like 2.5.
you have no clue, do you?
Ballers tho
Good 2.5 players
Apparently you have poor vision. It says 3.5, not 2.5
Are these players really a 3.5…?
Absolutely. If you have any doubts, you need to record yourself on video and watch for therapy purposes.
In CA possibly a 3.0, possibly...too many unforced errors
it is about 3.5 everywhere, CA is no different than Florida as to pickleball ratings.
3.5 usually end the majority of points with unforced error.
This looks more like 3.0 to me.
You probably have never seen yourself playing pickleball on video.
Anyone else wondering why they are stacking when the woman is maybe even better than the guy?
Because the man is leftie, so they want forehands in the middle
It looks like 2.5 tennis players switching to pickle ball
Nope…it’s a pretty accurate 3.5 assessment based on their skills and game play IMO.
Lots of stiff, straight legged play and unforced errors.
This is not top pro or 5.0
Thats exactly what you would expect from 3.5 seniors. These are people that have athletic ability and likely taken up PB and not tennis players (except maybe the lefty) who were 4.0+ in their youth. In the latter, you would see much more fluid movement. Glad they are having a great time and competing, at any level!
If that 3.5 I’m a 6.0. 2.5 at best
We guess your comment means you think you can easily beat this teams. And you think you are 5.0 in real life.
I agree
@@bbbb6066 2.5 means they have never played before. Really, learn your ratings. They are almost identical to tennis. Someone who says this is 2.5 is self inflated in their knowledge
Goodie for you. You must win all your tournaments and will be 6.0 is no time.
Oh yikes. 3.5? Not even close.
Could you please show us real 3.5, that is not yikes?
Are you sure you are not comparing this to top pro games?
I agree. not even close.
Looks about right to me. I just got rated, and they seem like my level or slightly lower. ;-)