These programs were on Channel 4 in its first years. Look at the state of it now and Steiner's diagnosis of the trivialisation of culture was clearly correct. - It would be a good thing for C4 to post these Voices discussions online.
Brodsky: "A poet is, in a sense, like a bird. Starts to chirp on no matter what kind of branch he alights. Literature is much older and more inevitable a phenomenon than any state and it's going to be that way".
I love Steiner but he takes up way too much time in the beginning and doesn’t open up for a dialogue with the other guest. It’s actually crazy the host let him ramble for so long.
Steiner is too constrained and formalistic in his argument. You can't generalize about the quality of Eastern vs Western art especially when those categories themselves aren't essential or even well defined. Wish the artists had spoken more in this conversation.
Mc Carthy and Brodsky have the advantage of being artists as well as intellectuals who have been actively engaged in the arts and politics of their time; Steiner, who, face it was less gifted than either has the disadvantages of having had a relatively cloistered life with a captive audience of students.
As a note to your comment: in one of his last interviews, Steiner declared that the work of the smallest artist will always be far more important than that of the best critic.
There is definitely an elephant in the room that everyone (all 4 of them) tries to ignore while still keeping the conversation flowing. Did anyone feel this?
Thanks for posting...This is a Jewel...The intelligence of all Four.
Amazing! Thank you so much for putting this document to our disposal.
These programs were on Channel 4 in its first years. Look at the state of it now and Steiner's diagnosis of the trivialisation of culture was clearly correct. - It would be a good thing for C4 to post these Voices discussions online.
Fantastic! And heartbreaking that it cut when it was really heating up. Nevertheless, thank you for uploading what you had.
My God! I was building up at that point and then it got all cut out in a second!
It's on the Channel 4 website, but I can't figure out how to download it. Maybe someone from UK can, or with a proxy.
Such a pleasure to bask in their erudition.
damn this was so good
where can one find the rest? I love Steiner's voice even when he gets carried away
Brodsky: "A poet is, in a sense, like a bird. Starts to chirp on no matter what kind of branch he alights. Literature is much older and more inevitable a phenomenon than any state and it's going to be that way".
Plato said already that poet is a Winged thing
I love the way McCarthy is directly in his face about his huge assumptions.
If only they would let Brodsky speak more. He comes off as deeper and more interesting than Steiner who sounds pretentious and self-important.
His hypothesis betrays his pseudo-intellectualism lol
I love Steiner but he takes up way too much time in the beginning and doesn’t open up for a dialogue with the other guest. It’s actually crazy the host let him ramble for so long.
"a great writer, in fact, doesn't need History", Brodsky (19:58)
Well, that's too woo woo for me... even if it is Brodsky.
well, he might be right that a great writer does not need history eventually, but making a great writer requires quite a material.
Great fragment. Too bad the remainder is missing.
Steiner is too constrained and formalistic in his argument. You can't generalize about the quality of Eastern vs Western art especially when those categories themselves aren't essential or even well defined. Wish the artists had spoken more in this conversation.
He's inexact, actually. It's a long list of hasty generalities wedded to questionable heroic straw figures
way too formalistic!
7:21 anyone know who this philosopher was?
A.J. Ayer?
@@freeri87 yeah, could be. Men with differing tolerances of profundity, it must be said...
Mc Carthy and Brodsky have the advantage of being artists as well as intellectuals who have been actively engaged in the arts and politics of their time; Steiner, who, face it was less gifted than either has the disadvantages of having had a relatively cloistered life with a captive audience of students.
As a note to your comment: in one of his last interviews, Steiner declared that the work of the smallest artist will always be far more important than that of the best critic.
@@juantorres90 I think Hero of a Thousand Faces is more important than Rebel Moon.
George Steiner looking fresh here
Great debate. Incomplete. Alas.
Hey major what year mate.
George Steiner telling Brodsky and Mary McCarthy that they largely exaggerate the mysteries of writing - the nerve!!
4 very interesting people talking. Terrrific. Is the rest of the show lost?
I’m afraid this is all I have of it.
There is definitely an elephant in the room that everyone (all 4 of them) tries to ignore while still keeping the conversation flowing. Did anyone feel this?