In the 1980's and early 90's I visited Barry scrap yard often and have many pictures of my then young children in, around and on the remaining locos; most of which it seems were Bulleids. It is amazing to me that these rotting hulks have been saved and I take my hat off to all of you hard working dedicated enthusiast. Your tenacity in the face of such daunting tasks is a wonder. Many thanks. Now I must tear myself away and focus on the work that I should be doing if only it was half as interesting!!!!
Many thanks for commenting Peter. We would be interested in seeing and maybe even showing some of your photos in a future Railway Maniacs episode as I'm sure there are many viewers interested in seeing them. Myself and many other enthusiasts never visited Woodhams at Barry (some of my colleagues did thankfully) but have seen some sad images of once proud engineering marvels looking unwanted, unloved and waiting to be culled.
@@railwaymaniacs Hi thanks for your response and interest. Sadly most of my pictures are currently stored and not likely to see daylight for another year or two. That said I had a root around this evening and found 4 x 35mm slides all, I believe of 35009 Shaw Savill. They have an interest to me as family pictures but probably not of so much interest to you? There's very little loco to see in any of these … 3 slides are of two children sitting on a buffer beam with gaping door-less smoke-box above and one of them standing by a front driving wheel and cylinder...like I say not a lot of loco to see. There might be, I suppose, an interesting sociological point though as they show how in the 1980's it was still possible to just wander into and around un-fenced scrap yards? I can't imagine that would be possible anywhere in the UK today? Anyway clearly it seems I knew how to treat my kids a good wholesome day out!!!??? Best wishes.
Feels like forever since your last video 😂 great to see you back! Great progress! Also thank you for such an amazing renaming ceremony yesterday for 053!
It has indeed been a long time since the last video. Too long really. We have kept recording footage though so have more videos in the pipeline, it's just the long task of editing, scripting and presentation that takes a huge amount of time. It was a great ceremony yesterday headed by its organiser Peter Spowage who's skills, knowledge, and drive are an absolute asset to the railway preservation movement and Southern Locomotives Limited.
@@railwaymaniacs I saw you both there, at least I think it was you anyhow! I didn’t want to disturb either of you by saying hello as I know you had a lot of dignitaries etc to tend to! But Peter should be proud of what was achieved yesterday 🙂
@@AnthonyFurnival It was a very busy and incredible day. Such a pleasure to meet some of our Polish friends, all of whom love their country and ours. How Peter managed to put this day together so well and have it work so well is beyond me.
It's certainly interesting to see the firebox stays from the inside. It shows the work involved in getting a boiler complete and certified , firebox plates, boiler shell, stays and tubes.
I used to work with a Boiler Smith. I also have a complete set of Boiler Flogging Spanners still. The boiler is in remarkably good condition for the time not used. The Regulater was fitted last by the thinnest apprentice in the works. It needs a few dozen stays, and a new tubeplate. Then its good for a pressure test.
Superb video illustrating how the team had to think on their feet to get the dismantling done. Congratulations to all involved. I assume a new front tubeplate will be needed?
That Bulleid boiler is such an intricate design! Lovely bit of engineering. So, was the regulator ever intended to be taken out, or did they just not plan on servicing the valve body within the life span of the boiler?
Most stays seem fine to the eye, but the boiler inspection had to give the final verdict. Most of the threaded studs seem in a bad shape and need replacing. I think the tubes were cut from inside the firebox, sticking the head of the gas axe in.
That would have been nice ! We have one but it wasn't high enough for this job unfortunately. We try our best to make do with what we have or can borrow so the money can be spent on loco parts and specialised boiler work so we decided to struggle as it was a one off job.
I had very little idea just how many boiler stays were needed, and I don't think that technology changed much over 150 years of steam traction. No wonder these buggers are expensive to restore....
Neither did I! A big pat on the back to the guys that did and do work on these boilers. They are a hugely important link in the heritage rail industry.
Not that tremendous, 250psi in a rebuilt Bullleid, about twice the pressure in a truck tyre. As a comparison the CNG fuel tanks on our Scanias at work are filled to 3500psi, a common rail diesel fuel injector runs at circa 30,000psi.
We have much work to do, hurdles to overcome and funds to raise along with restoring and overhauling other loco's so putting target dates on projects is difficult as priorities change from time to time.
I have heard that a few times, usually when a number of us are lifting something heavy...the more weight you lift in your job the lighter your pay packet is.
Why didn't you torch the nuts up top, instead of cutting the plate???? That seems to me as a much easier, and better repair , than torching the hi tensil steel plate.
All fixings on top were removed. The problem was the 4 fixings that were almost impossible to get to that are underneath the regulator were totally seized. These inside fixings attach the unit to the steam pipe inside the boiler had to be heated. We could have cut the regulator body to pieces to remove it but this would have destroyed the unit. Though the unit has a break in the casting this maybe repaired. The front tubeplate that we cut an access hole through had already been condemned. We will show more of this in a future video. Thanks for commenting.
Is the plan to have a spare boiler ready to go at the end of a locos ten year certificate, to get a loco back into operation & revenue earning service ASAP? Much as I'd love to see all the WC/BB back in steam, having a parts loco & a full set of spares probably makes more sense. I'm guessing that the limited mileage, operational speed & great care that heritage locos get, means that the rest of the loco is barely worn after ten years?
Another good question. A spare boiler would be a luxury. The decision to have Sidmouth's old boiler sent ahead so it could be used on Sir Keith Park had helped get that loco back into steam so much quicker so a boiler swap may happen again in the future.
Sadly the front tube plate had already been condemned. In a future episode we'll have a more detailed inspection of the tubeplate and the boiler itself with someone who knows more about them. Hopefully he'll teach me more about boilers so I can then teach everyone who watches the channel.
They had to cut it to gain access to the regulator valve studs. Also itn on ifje shots it looked corroded at the bottom. It can depend on the size of the holes for the tubes as well, they can only go to a certain size before it's deemed scrap.
I can see how you’d cut out a tube from the smoke or firebox. But how did they remove them from the boiler space? They’ve been cut off not collapsed and removed. Odd.
I think I know how it was done but I have to learn more about the methods of installation to understand how it was done. The tubes were welded into place at the firebox end but not at the smokebox end.
So from the previous answers is it right to assume at the firebox to tubes were "gas-axed" from the inside to out on the tubes and an expanding plug used in the smoke box end of the tube to grip and pull the tube through the smokebox plate?
you would of been better off using a nine inch angle grider with a cutting disc on with would of made a neater cut to weld back in but now you have repleace the hole front tube plate by removing all the rivets one by one and you need a proper cutter for this job and not the gas axe
The front tubeplate was condemned a long time ago so cutting through it wasn't an issue. Using a grinder was indeed an option but it was decided to use the torch. Better still would have been a plasma cutter but we don't have one. Thanks for commenting on the video. How does compare to other You Tube videos you watch?
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I'll expand on my answer above. It was a whole lot easier and less deafening to use the cutting torch than to try and cut through nearly 3 dozen 2inch thick steel sections while inside a steel tube that you can't stand up in. The dangers involved with a using a hand held high speed rotating disc angle grinder that will snag and jam constantly when cutting deeply into steel was definitely not our preferred option. We have more large steel cutting jobs similar to this to do and will see if a borrowed plasma cutter will do the job. If not the torch will come out again not the grinder. Thanks for watching and commenting .
The angle grinder is our weapon of choice for many jobs! Over the last few years we have amassed hundreds of hours using them with wire cup brushes attached to removed old paint and rust from 3 lots of frames of Bulleid Pacifics that are under restoration in Kent. We would certainly be lost without them.
I'm a 63 year old British female, however I'm ex military and have driven thousands of miles as a coach driver, I have always tried to understand how things work. Does your car just drive itself or do you need to control it??? These engines are the forerunners of our modern society, and they deserve our love and understanding.
It's because of the short attention span of many people and also the need to inform them what they will see if they stick to watching this channel. It's proven to work, and unlike all terrestrial tv channels You tubers get lots of performance data that let's us know if certain things work or don't work.
Maybe we should come to the conclusion that not all viewers are stupid and with the attention span of a goldfish.......i find it insulting that I must be told what is 'coming up'........also be reminded of what I have just seen!!!!! Of course USA TV is to blame, and just maybe the Americans DO need to be reminded?????
@@peterberry5442 the "reminder" is not necessarily aimed at those that who watched the previous video but more to show new viewers to the channel that they can go back and view so they then see the beginning of the story should they wish to, instead of feeling that they are late to the party and then don't watch anymore because they missed out on the beginning.
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Amazing the engineering that is inside these wonderful engineering beasts ! Thanks for showing all the hard work needed.
It's nice to get some feedback from other people that love these machines. Thanks for watching and commenting.
In the 1980's and early 90's I visited Barry scrap yard often and have many pictures of my then young children in, around and on the remaining locos; most of which it seems were Bulleids. It is amazing to me that these rotting hulks have been saved and I take my hat off to all of you hard working dedicated enthusiast. Your tenacity in the face of such daunting tasks is a wonder. Many thanks. Now I must tear myself away and focus on the work that I should be doing if only it was half as interesting!!!!
Many thanks for commenting Peter.
We would be interested in seeing and maybe even showing some of your photos in a future Railway Maniacs episode as I'm sure there are many viewers interested in seeing them. Myself and many other enthusiasts never visited Woodhams at Barry (some of my colleagues did thankfully) but have seen some sad images of once proud engineering marvels looking unwanted, unloved and waiting to be culled.
@@railwaymaniacs Hi thanks for your response and interest. Sadly most of my pictures are currently stored and not likely to see daylight for another year or two. That said I had a root around this evening and found 4 x 35mm slides all, I believe of 35009 Shaw Savill. They have an interest to me as family pictures but probably not of so much interest to you? There's very little loco to see in any of these … 3 slides are of two children sitting on a buffer beam with gaping door-less smoke-box above and one of them standing by a front driving wheel and cylinder...like I say not a lot of loco to see. There might be, I suppose, an interesting sociological point though as they show how in the 1980's it was still possible to just wander into and around un-fenced scrap yards? I can't imagine that would be possible anywhere in the UK today? Anyway clearly it seems I knew how to treat my kids a good wholesome day out!!!??? Best wishes.
Look at all those rivets, what a job. Fabulous endeavor 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Looking forward to seeing this steam engine back doing what she does best
Feels like forever since your last video 😂 great to see you back! Great progress! Also thank you for such an amazing renaming ceremony yesterday for 053!
It has indeed been a long time since the last video. Too long really. We have kept recording footage though so have more videos in the pipeline, it's just the long task of editing, scripting and presentation that takes a huge amount of time.
It was a great ceremony yesterday headed by its organiser Peter Spowage who's skills, knowledge, and drive are an absolute asset to the railway preservation movement and Southern Locomotives Limited.
@@railwaymaniacs I saw you both there, at least I think it was you anyhow! I didn’t want to disturb either of you by saying hello as I know you had a lot of dignitaries etc to tend to! But Peter should be proud of what was achieved yesterday 🙂
@@AnthonyFurnival It was a very busy and incredible day.
Such a pleasure to meet some of our Polish friends, all of whom love their country and ours.
How Peter managed to put this day together so well and have it work so well is beyond me.
@@railwaymaniacs he’s done well! I met Peter at the MHR earlier this year, he comes across as an extremely dedicated chap!
As Roy Castle used to say "dedication is what you need"
It's certainly interesting to see the firebox stays from the inside. It shows the work involved in getting a boiler complete and certified , firebox plates, boiler shell, stays and tubes.
I agree, now imagine it with the boiler tubes and flues still in as well!
Fantastic job, everyone.
Thank you 😊
I used to work with a Boiler Smith. I also have a complete set of Boiler Flogging Spanners still. The boiler is in remarkably good condition for the time not used. The Regulater was fitted last by the thinnest apprentice in the works. It needs a few dozen stays, and a new tubeplate. Then its good for a pressure test.
Fantastic video guys 👍🏻
Thank you! 👍 Glad you enjoyed it.
Great job guys . Looks like you have a long job ahead of you . 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Mark. It is indeed
a long road ahead especially as we are restoring other loco's as well.
Glad you like our videos.
Wow fair does to you,great determination,another excellent video,Thank you
Thanks 👍
Great work by you all
Thanks so much. It's always nice to be appreciated.
Superb video illustrating how the team had to think on their feet to get the dismantling done. Congratulations to all involved. I assume a new front tubeplate will be needed?
The front tubeplate had been condemned years ago so cutting through it wasn't a hard decision to make.
That Bulleid boiler is such an intricate design! Lovely bit of engineering.
So, was the regulator ever intended to be taken out, or did they just not plan on servicing the valve body within the life span of the boiler?
I actually asked the same question!!
I will answer it in another video where we take a closer look at condition of the boiler. Thanks for asking.
Three members of this class have yet to steam in preservation: 34010 Sidmouth, 34058 Sir Frederick Pile and 34073 249 Squadron
Most stays seem fine to the eye, but the boiler inspection had to give the final verdict.
Most of the threaded studs seem in a bad shape and need replacing.
I think the tubes were cut from inside the firebox, sticking the head of the gas axe in.
Spot on Tom.
You might consider investing in a light chain hoist the next time you mess with that lump. far better control and a lot less messing about.
That would have been nice ! We have one but it wasn't high enough for this job unfortunately. We try our best to make do with what we have or can borrow so the money can be spent on loco parts and specialised boiler work so we decided to struggle as it was a one off job.
Will 34058 Sir Frederick Pile be mainline certified once it is restored from scrapyard condition to running condition?
@@Shark30006 it might well be. One step at a time.
Cool footage of the spitfire. Camera framerate synced up with the propeller rpm, making it look stationary.
Yes it does!
I had very little idea just how many boiler stays were needed, and I don't think that technology changed much over 150 years of steam traction. No wonder these buggers are expensive to restore....
Neither did I! A big pat on the back to the guys that did and do work on these boilers. They are a hugely important link in the heritage rail industry.
There are loads. As an apprentice at Derby in 1970’s I had to learn how to cut the screws on copper stays for Leander and the F3 they did.
Oh for a plasma cutter ,cut through like butter
A plasma cutter is on my wish list!!
The mystery of the boiler, these are under tremendous pressure, and the stays hold it together, all the same they are trying to separate.
We will bring you more footage of the guts of the boiler in future episodes. What parts would you like to see?
Not that tremendous, 250psi in a rebuilt Bullleid, about twice the pressure in a truck tyre. As a comparison the CNG fuel tanks on our Scanias at work are filled to 3500psi, a common rail diesel fuel injector runs at circa 30,000psi.
@@mikeprzyrembelthey’re not at 180° centigrade though
@@highdownmartin Good point! Also the size and volume of these things along with the technology and materials available 80 years ago.
thanks. the communications between crew is good to hear, perhaps cell phones could help inside/outside?
Not a bad call Alex.
The problem would be the lack phone network coverage in the area, it's appalling!
Walkie talkie would be idea don’t need phone coverage
@@nickscontractingservices3408 good idea!
good luck !
Thanks Alex. We need all the luck we can get!
What year will 34058 Sir Frederick Pile be in working condition?
We have much work to do, hurdles to overcome and funds to raise along with restoring and overhauling other loco's so putting target dates on projects is difficult as priorities change from time to time.
You really need to get the FLT flat. A slight angle makes the job harder
Will you put in a new smoke box tube plate or weld that old one back together? 😀
It will be getting a new one.
It is correct what my ancestors always used to say........the lightest thing on the railway was always the pay packet.
I have heard that a few times, usually when a number of us are lifting something heavy...the more weight you lift in your job the lighter your pay packet is.
Why didn't you torch the nuts up top, instead of cutting the plate???? That seems to me as a much easier, and better repair , than torching the hi tensil steel plate.
All fixings on top were removed. The problem was the 4 fixings that were almost impossible to get to that are underneath the regulator were totally seized. These inside fixings attach the unit to the steam pipe inside the boiler had to be heated. We could have cut the regulator body to pieces to remove it but this would have destroyed the unit. Though the unit has a break in the casting this maybe repaired.
The front tubeplate that we cut an access hole through had already been condemned. We will show more of this in a future video.
Thanks for commenting.
I hope that tube plate was scrap and not sacrificed to get the regulator valve out?
The tube plate was indeed condemned long before the hole was cut in it.
Is the plan to have a spare boiler ready to go at the end of a locos ten year certificate, to get a loco back into operation & revenue earning service ASAP? Much as I'd love to see all the WC/BB back in steam, having a parts loco & a full set of spares probably makes more sense. I'm guessing that the limited mileage, operational speed & great care that heritage locos get, means that the rest of the loco is barely worn after ten years?
Another good question. A spare boiler would be a luxury. The decision to have Sidmouth's old boiler sent ahead so it could be used on Sir Keith Park had helped get that loco back into steam so much quicker so a boiler swap may happen again in the future.
The smoke box tube plate looked to be in pretty good condition?
Sadly the front tube plate had already been condemned. In a future episode we'll have a more detailed inspection of the tubeplate and the boiler itself with someone who knows more about them. Hopefully he'll teach me more about boilers so I can then teach everyone who watches the channel.
You sure have many manhours of work ahead of you just cleaning the scale out alone.
The front tubeplate didnt look to bad but I'm assuming it had thinned at the bottom?
They had to cut it to gain access to the regulator valve studs. Also itn on ifje shots it looked corroded at the bottom. It can depend on the size of the holes for the tubes as well, they can only go to a certain size before it's deemed scrap.
It was in poor condition the video doesn't show it well. In a future episode we'll take a closer look at it.
@railwaymaniacs7392 I guessed as much. I couldn't see you cutting a decent one😂
The centre oxygen nozzle needs cleaned on the gun.
I'll have words with Allan and Richard about dirty tits. I mean tips!!!
Needs çleaning! or needs to be cleaned! Not needs cleaned.
Predictive text can be problem, nothing wrong with a bit of grammar re-education as long as its friendly.
I can see how you’d cut out a tube from the smoke or firebox. But how did they remove them from the boiler space? They’ve been cut off not collapsed and removed. Odd.
I think I know how it was done but I have to learn more about the methods of installation to understand how it was done. The tubes were welded into place at the firebox end but not at the smokebox end.
They would be split where it meets the tubeplate then pulled out through out the front tube plate.
@@railwaymaniacs ah got it.
So from the previous answers is it right to assume at the firebox to tubes were "gas-axed" from the inside to out on the tubes and an expanding plug used in the smoke box end of the tube to grip and pull the tube through the smokebox plate?
@@stevehill4615I believe so.
you would of been better off using a nine inch angle grider with a cutting disc on with would of made a neater cut to weld back in but now you have repleace the hole front tube plate by removing all the rivets one by one and you need a proper cutter for this job and not the gas axe
I don't think welding the section of a tube plate back in would be acceptable these days.
The front tubeplate was condemned a long time ago so cutting through it wasn't an issue. Using a grinder was indeed an option but it was decided to use the torch. Better still would have been a plasma cutter but we don't have one.
Thanks for commenting on the video.
How does compare to other You Tube videos you watch?
Damn I wish I was there to help (btw I have no money I’m sorry)
You can help for free just by watching our videos, commenting on them, giving the thumbs up, talking to people about heritage railways, and if you can visit them and go for a ride.
wow😂
.. grinder???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'll expand on my answer above. It was a whole lot easier and less deafening to use the cutting torch than to try and cut through nearly 3 dozen 2inch thick steel sections while inside a steel tube that you can't stand up in.
The dangers involved with a using a hand held high speed rotating disc angle grinder that will snag and jam constantly when cutting deeply into steel was definitely not our preferred option.
We have more large steel cutting jobs similar to this to do and will see if a borrowed plasma cutter will do the job. If not the torch will come out again not the grinder. Thanks for watching and commenting .
@@railwaymaniacs ohhhhhhh ok.. im a car mechanic myself so im more used to using one🤣🤣🤣🤣
The angle grinder is our weapon of choice for many jobs!
Over the last few years we have amassed hundreds of hours using them with wire cup brushes attached to removed old paint and rust from 3 lots of frames of Bulleid Pacifics that are under restoration in Kent. We would certainly be lost without them.
Hi my name is Marley
Welcome to the channel buddy
@@railwaymaniacs I went to duxford airshow yesterday and you gave me a a part of sir Frederick pile for free so I would like to thank you.
Cheers, let me know what you think of channel. What is you favourite video so far?
Hell fire.......even on videos like this one....the first words are COMING UP!!!! We have enough of this drivel on normal TV nowadays😥😥😥
I'm a 63 year old British female, however I'm ex military and have driven thousands of miles as a coach driver, I have always tried to understand how things work.
Does your car just drive itself or do you need to control it???
These engines are the forerunners of our modern society, and they deserve our love and understanding.
Very well put.
It's because of the short attention span of many people and also the need to inform them what they will see if they stick to watching this channel. It's proven to work, and unlike all terrestrial tv channels You tubers get lots of performance data that let's us know if certain things work or don't work.
Maybe we should come to the conclusion that not all viewers are stupid and with the attention span of a goldfish.......i find it insulting that I must be told what is 'coming up'........also be reminded of what I have just seen!!!!! Of course USA TV is to blame, and just maybe the Americans DO need to be reminded?????
@@peterberry5442 the "reminder" is not necessarily aimed at those that who watched the previous video but more to show new viewers to the channel that they can go back and view so they then see the beginning of the story should they wish to, instead of feeling that they are late to the party and then don't watch anymore because they missed out on the beginning.