The Shape-shifter theory would be genius from the angle of it explaining not only the different handwriting but also the character assassination done to Chloe (a girl like her with her abandonment issues and maxed out loyalty to those that she lets in behind her walls is NOT going to be the one that leaves; nvm contacting Victoria). However that's exactly why I doubt that it will be the case, because Decknine thus far has only shown ineptitude and disrespect for anything related to Pricefield/Chloe/DontNod. From the start I was at the point of accepting that Chloe would have a limited roll, I thought that Chloe would be wrapping up things at their old place while Max went ahead to Caledon or that Max would finish her contract at Caledon to go back to where her and Chloe were staying. Never did I think Decknine would pull the garbage that they've pulled just so far and it was sooooo avoidable. Trial separation is a thing and could easily be put in from having player choice at the start over if Max fights for the relationship (separated) or not (full-break); put the actual leaving on the party that would do it (Max) vs. not (Chloe); axe the utterly lacking garbage romantic interests; focus on Max's trauma; then in the ending have a reconciliation between Max & Chloe where the events of Caledon gave Max the closure needed to be able to move forward with Chloe. Boom done, everybody is happy; player choice is respected; LGBT+ fans are respected (cause trying to invalidate a 9 year old LGBT+ pairing and shove in a shallow, femmed up, mainstream appealing new one w/ a clear tone that Decknine knows what's best and we the players are just immature and blind to want to choose Chloe ain't respectful at all); DontNod's canon is respected; characters are respected. Like even Michel has recently stated in a very diplomatic fashion that the Max & Chloe that Decknine are doing aren't going to be like his. As well as that Max & Chloe would NEVER break up, they'd have rough patches maybe even a separation; but they'd ALWAYS end up back together. Also reinforcing that LiS is a multiverse and each person is free to go down whatever branch they want; so I'm staying in DontNod's green-haired Chloe and Max main canon over Decknine's AU branch. I'd LOVE to be wrong and for Decknine to actually redeem this trashfire; but I don't have high hopes due to them making clear their not liking LiS1.
@@7hkey At this point I'd take any shred of correction or intelligent planning vs. flat-out ignorance of the characters they're trying to write about. There's also some plausibility to Max not noticing the different handwriting just cause we don't know what all the shapeshifting does exactly. Now I do want to reiterate that I don't expect Decknine to actually be playing this level of smart play; I really do think they're just this damn anti-Chloe and anti-Pricefield as an extension because they're in the mindset of a parent pulling a "You can do better than that punk (Chloe)" "We think you're better off with this handsome well-off young man (Amanda) instead." and don't care about player choice on the matter.
The only way I see the potential of d9 bringing Chloe in would be ("The Merging Moons Scene") to elaborate: If the (Two Moons) Indicate the two timelines are merging in on each other like the aforementioned possible apocalypse in this game & talk of it in Lis1, wouldn't that signify that in one timeline Max is still w/Chloe regardless of choosing bay over bae & viceversa. I say this bcuz if theirs 1 Max shifting between both timelines and possibly even a 3rd (given the polaroid timeline) that would allow an opening for a potential Chloe in one of these timeline(s) to still be in Max's life and it'll allow for them to share more scenes together without ruining either of the Lis1 optional endings. 2 further back this yet hopeful theory, would be the scene in which Max is catching up with Amanda at the turtle in the (Safi Alive Timeline). Amanda tells Max she basically ghosted for a couple days. Again, meaning there's only 1 Max, the other people who mention Max's disappearance are Moses & Safi. Also, when Max shows up to her home (in Safi Alive Timeline) she lets the player know "it looks likes she hasn't been home in a while" - I'd like to think the potential lies in the fact that if we think about Lis1, Max jumping into different photos/timelines makes her forget her choices & what happened in one timeline, so it could mean she forgot a possible Chloe is still in her life in the other, and she's been ghosting her all the while. - I mean the confidence the devs and writers etc. still have and are sticking by even with the backlash, makes me want to hold onto some hope for ep:3-5.... -Side Tangent: ON SAFI BEING A SHAPESHIFTER. - Is literally in the "opening scene of the game", , Safi seems to be literally studying Max's movements. Safi watches closely as Max climbs off the ladder and says- "Beautiful Dismount" without averting her sight and tilting her head on Max 👀. - might not be anything but ya never know....
Maybe Ashly didn´t wanted to be associated to be with this game, I actually would understand that. 😂Deck Nine destroys the whole fanbase. Even the little things we cherished, were ripped apart, like the photo from LIS 2. I understand they wanted for max new love interest, but they never ever reach this depth. They`re all too superficial. The relationship between max and chloe was so emotional and fundemental. You saw Chloes life, you became a part of her life during the game, you learned to love her, beside all her sadness and anger, she was more human than the most characters in games. The most people identified with her on a real deep way because of her life and emotions. The game gave a lot of people comfort and maybe hope that you can be loved, even when believe you´re a wreck inside. I think this is something what most of the people inside craving in their life, a buddy who stays by your side beyond thin and thick. That´s really missing in our society.
What a can of worms Deck Nine have opened! I agree Alex, I think the iconic lines will continue. I know I've said this on your other videos, but at this point I just want an appearance, a phone call or even a new text conversation between them to let Pricefield fans know that saving her wasn't completely for nothing. Because having them break up is one thing and it SUCKS, but at the moment, it seems to be the case that they haven't been in contact since they broke up. And for Max to be thinking about her this much and for what WE KNOW they meant to each other, for them not to be in contact AT ALL is ridiculous.
The audio file is very clearly a nightmare sequence. This way, Chloe can make an appearance either way. It’s litterally max comparing safis relationship with her relationship to Chloe which could occur with either bay or bae and would be an important story note needed to have anyways
yes, this audio sounds a lot like a nightmare from lis1. I didn’t think that the fans were so crazy and ready to draw conclusions because of two episodes and write nasty things to the actors. Honestly, it feels like someone is deliberately inciting hatred with these "leaked audio from game files".
@@jinapark1944 Yeah I agree, I actually took a look into it and they are likely fake voice lines made with AI. There are no files to datamine. Literally nothing there except placeholders.
A sequel with Max AND Chloe should have been made years ago, shortly after the release of the original game, when sanity still largely prevailed among developers and publishers.
Im so disappointed of how they lied to us saying they’d respect both endings, but honestly (Chloe’s literally my fav lis character ever) i like that they made them broke up, it’s just more realistic for me, i don’t like HOW they made their broke up and the reasons, so idc if Chloe doesn’t appear at all, it would be great if she does at the end but I only want d9 to explain why they chose this way and if we can’t go back to Chloe i have to see a good ending for them at least :(
I really am interested to see how this all plays out, both in the game and with the future of Life is Strange and Deck Nine. If nothing else, this whole debacle has proved that there are a ton of people that still care deeply both about the franchise and about Max and Chloe.
after 10 years and a town being blow to bits I expected a wedding not a break up jk jk, but a break up was kinda shitty of them to choose ngl i didnt choose chloe at the end but i still liked her character and pricefield so im still mad the bae timeline was done dirty, ill play the bay one first and then the bae one to get the achievment and also see what difference is there, its weird that its the first important choice you take in the game, maybe itll actually count towards Chloe appearing in the game or not.
a other theory what if safi was vinh remember episode 2 vinh could not unlock hes phone and did not remember what hes favorite drink was? what if safi wanted to go in hes phone while vinh was gone she could shape shift grabbed the phone then max came
Im hoping that we get that chloe didnt leave max it was sofi and all that other theory stuff maybe they need some sorta therapy like they can end where chloe moves to the town with max and becomes a mechanic or something. Or maybe safi is possessed by rachel getting her revenge on max for not doing as she wanted...or being a lose end. I atleast want chloe to meet and befriend amanda since both of them are hella great friends to max hell maybe chloe will even get a job with amanda or something theres alot that can be done
One thing I noticed and have not seen anywhere is the end of chapter results about Chloe for the Bae option. If she is alive there is a part in blue that says she is "grateful" to be alive but only that word. The blue text on the other options show that whatever is there can change. Makes me wonder if it's possible that Chloe could at some point feel differently.
She is & Let just say There are a lot of Life is Strange 1 Actors who are in that Union. Like Dayeanna said She can't play Life is Strange under Union Rules.
@@Lilothestitch24 I don't know all I know is wait until Ep 5 & find out. Lets say the part where I seen Hannah Voices His lines.. Take that as you will.
If you pick that Chloe is alive at one point in the game there’s a snippet of a sound that’s Chloe and Max arguing that’s not in the og game I’m sure of it
There is such a thing as pettiness causing wasting money and time on rerecording lines. Matthew Colville is a TTRPG RUclipsr who's worked on video games and has said that at one point they had all voice lines recorded, but the creative director changed and they forced all the voice lines to be recorded without even listening to them. Just because he wanted it done under his control. That really made me cynical of corporate structures in game dev companies (Not that we shouldn't be anyway).
All I know is she better make an appearance and we better get back or I’m refunding the game the writing and execution of the breakup is so poor it makes me just want to go back to LIS 1 and just re live the good moments cause this is bullshit deck nine really screwed up and if she doesn’t show up at least once then it’s all fucked
I feel like this project has been a pretty major cash grab, and I think it'd be a missed opportunity to do nothing with Chloe, in terms of potentially showing up physically in the game. I'm 50/50 on it right now, we still have 3 chapters to go and I could see it going either way.
Please tell me that they didn't break up Max and Chloe? I've been trying to keep spoiler free, but I heard this rumour, but it's too stupid to be true, surely? Like this would moronic in a historic way, and I'd lose ALL interest in not just this Life is Strange, but any future LiS games...
@@7sonchoska7 No fucking ways!? Surely not??? That's completely insane! I suppose you might as well spoil some more, because I'm certainly not buying this garbage.
@@7sonchoska7 I don't understand. I replied to you earlier, but just double checking an my reply isn't here. 😕 If they're really broken up, you may as well spoil it a bit more as I certainly won't be buying this garbage.
@@creationguy3871 Idk what's the issue, but from what we know Chloe broke up with Max via LETTER. She just wrote that she doesn't want Max to keep rewinding for her (which is actually BS since she hasn't used her power after the events in Arcadia Bay) and Max lives in the past so she leaves her.
@@7sonchoska7 That's complete lunacy! Is this actually real!? It's like it's so unbelievly terrible that it's almost like a prank. Surely, surely it's a joke... right? 😕
Ok, I'm absolutely with you here, but I also understand the other side of the argument. At the end of the day, it is fiction and liking a toxic relationship doesn't make them toxic, just indulged. If you indulge someone for 10 years and then cut them off with a kind of poorly written letter I can understand why it would hurt them. I do think them breaking up was for the best but I wish the devs could've let them down easier.
The Shape-shifter theory would be genius from the angle of it explaining not only the different handwriting but also the character assassination done to Chloe (a girl like her with her abandonment issues and maxed out loyalty to those that she lets in behind her walls is NOT going to be the one that leaves; nvm contacting Victoria). However that's exactly why I doubt that it will be the case, because Decknine thus far has only shown ineptitude and disrespect for anything related to Pricefield/Chloe/DontNod.
From the start I was at the point of accepting that Chloe would have a limited roll, I thought that Chloe would be wrapping up things at their old place while Max went ahead to Caledon or that Max would finish her contract at Caledon to go back to where her and Chloe were staying. Never did I think Decknine would pull the garbage that they've pulled just so far and it was sooooo avoidable. Trial separation is a thing and could easily be put in from having player choice at the start over if Max fights for the relationship (separated) or not (full-break); put the actual leaving on the party that would do it (Max) vs. not (Chloe); axe the utterly lacking garbage romantic interests; focus on Max's trauma; then in the ending have a reconciliation between Max & Chloe where the events of Caledon gave Max the closure needed to be able to move forward with Chloe. Boom done, everybody is happy; player choice is respected; LGBT+ fans are respected (cause trying to invalidate a 9 year old LGBT+ pairing and shove in a shallow, femmed up, mainstream appealing new one w/ a clear tone that Decknine knows what's best and we the players are just immature and blind to want to choose Chloe ain't respectful at all); DontNod's canon is respected; characters are respected.
Like even Michel has recently stated in a very diplomatic fashion that the Max & Chloe that Decknine are doing aren't going to be like his. As well as that Max & Chloe would NEVER break up, they'd have rough patches maybe even a separation; but they'd ALWAYS end up back together. Also reinforcing that LiS is a multiverse and each person is free to go down whatever branch they want; so I'm staying in DontNod's green-haired Chloe and Max main canon over Decknine's AU branch.
I'd LOVE to be wrong and for Decknine to actually redeem this trashfire; but I don't have high hopes due to them making clear their not liking LiS1.
For me the damage is done. I feel the shapeshifting will only provide more inconsistency and absurdities. Like Max should know Chloe's handwriting.
@@7hkey At this point I'd take any shred of correction or intelligent planning vs. flat-out ignorance of the characters they're trying to write about. There's also some plausibility to Max not noticing the different handwriting just cause we don't know what all the shapeshifting does exactly. Now I do want to reiterate that I don't expect Decknine to actually be playing this level of smart play; I really do think they're just this damn anti-Chloe and anti-Pricefield as an extension because they're in the mindset of a parent pulling a "You can do better than that punk (Chloe)" "We think you're better off with this handsome well-off young man (Amanda) instead." and don't care about player choice on the matter.
The only way I see the potential of d9 bringing Chloe in would be ("The Merging Moons Scene")
to elaborate: If the (Two Moons) Indicate the two timelines are merging in on each other like the aforementioned possible
apocalypse in this game & talk of it in Lis1, wouldn't that signify that in
one timeline Max is still w/Chloe regardless of choosing bay over bae & viceversa.
I say this bcuz if theirs 1 Max shifting between both timelines and possibly even a 3rd (given the polaroid timeline) that would allow an opening for a potential Chloe in one of these timeline(s) to still be in Max's life and it'll allow for them to share more scenes together without ruining either of the Lis1 optional endings. 2 further back this yet hopeful theory, would be the scene in which Max is catching
up with Amanda at the turtle in the (Safi Alive Timeline). Amanda tells Max she basically ghosted for a couple days.
Again, meaning there's only 1 Max, the other people who mention Max's disappearance are Moses & Safi.
Also, when Max shows up to her home (in Safi Alive Timeline) she lets the player know "it looks likes she hasn't been home in a while"
- I'd like to think the potential lies in the fact that if we think about Lis1, Max jumping into different photos/timelines makes her forget her choices & what happened in one timeline, so it could mean she forgot a possible Chloe is still in her life in the other, and she's been ghosting her all the while.
- I mean the confidence the devs and writers etc. still have and are sticking by even with the backlash,
makes me want to hold onto some hope for ep:3-5....
-Side Tangent: ON SAFI BEING A SHAPESHIFTER. - Is literally in the "opening scene of the game",
, Safi seems to be literally studying Max's movements. Safi watches closely as Max climbs off the ladder and says-
"Beautiful Dismount" without averting her sight and tilting her head on Max 👀. - might not be anything but ya never know....
Maybe Ashly didn´t wanted to be associated to be with this game, I actually would understand that. 😂Deck Nine destroys the whole fanbase. Even the little things we cherished, were ripped apart, like the photo from LIS 2. I understand they wanted for max new love interest, but they never ever reach this depth. They`re all too superficial. The relationship between max and chloe was so emotional and fundemental. You saw Chloes life, you became a part of her life during the game, you learned to love her, beside all her sadness and anger, she was more human than the most characters in games. The most people identified with her on a real deep way because of her life and emotions. The game gave a lot of people comfort and maybe hope that you can be loved, even when believe you´re a wreck inside. I think this is something what most of the people inside craving in their life, a buddy who stays by your side beyond thin and thick. That´s really missing in our society.
What a can of worms Deck Nine have opened! I agree Alex, I think the iconic lines will continue. I know I've said this on your other videos, but at this point I just want an appearance, a phone call or even a new text conversation between them to let Pricefield fans know that saving her wasn't completely for nothing. Because having them break up is one thing and it SUCKS, but at the moment, it seems to be the case that they haven't been in contact since they broke up. And for Max to be thinking about her this much and for what WE KNOW they meant to each other, for them not to be in contact AT ALL is ridiculous.
The audio file is very clearly a nightmare sequence. This way, Chloe can make an appearance either way. It’s litterally max comparing safis relationship with her relationship to Chloe which could occur with either bay or bae and would be an important story note needed to have anyways
There's been info regarding it that it's not max.
yes, this audio sounds a lot like a nightmare from lis1. I didn’t think that the fans were so crazy and ready to draw conclusions because of two episodes and write nasty things to the actors. Honestly, it feels like someone is deliberately inciting hatred with these "leaked audio from game files".
@@jinapark1944 Yeah I agree, I actually took a look into it and they are likely fake voice lines made with AI. There are no files to datamine. Literally nothing there except placeholders.
A sequel with Max AND Chloe should have been made years ago, shortly after the release of the original game, when sanity still largely prevailed among developers and publishers.
How would that have worked for those of us who sacrificed Chole? 😬
@@DennisAlexis Who?
@@bravo0105 lol good oneXD
@@bravo0105 Those of us not losing our minds over how their ending is being handled 😁
I’m worried that they’re gonna make it worse
It can't be worse actually
@@7sonchoska7as someone who has been spoiled it does
Assume disappointment to never be disappointed
Wtf? Really?? 😮
@@creationguy3871 Yeah
i dnt think we getting any more Chloe
Im so disappointed of how they lied to us saying they’d respect both endings, but honestly (Chloe’s literally my fav lis character ever) i like that they made them broke up, it’s just more realistic for me, i don’t like HOW they made their broke up and the reasons, so idc if Chloe doesn’t appear at all, it would be great if she does at the end but I only want d9 to explain why they chose this way and if we can’t go back to Chloe i have to see a good ending for them at least :(
I really am interested to see how this all plays out, both in the game and with the future of Life is Strange and Deck Nine. If nothing else, this whole debacle has proved that there are a ton of people that still care deeply both about the franchise and about Max and Chloe.
after 10 years and a town being blow to bits I expected a wedding not a break up
jk jk, but a break up was kinda shitty of them to choose
ngl i didnt choose chloe at the end but i still liked her character and pricefield so im still mad the bae timeline was done dirty, ill play the bay one first and then the bae one to get the achievment and also see what difference is there, its weird that its the first important choice you take in the game, maybe itll actually count towards Chloe appearing in the game or not.
a other theory what if safi was vinh
remember episode 2 vinh could not unlock hes phone and did not remember what hes favorite drink was?
what if safi wanted to go in hes phone while vinh was gone she could shape shift grabbed the phone then max came
Im hoping that we get that chloe didnt leave max it was sofi and all that other theory stuff maybe they need some sorta therapy like they can end where chloe moves to the town with max and becomes a mechanic or something. Or maybe safi is possessed by rachel getting her revenge on max for not doing as she wanted...or being a lose end. I atleast want chloe to meet and befriend amanda since both of them are hella great friends to max hell maybe chloe will even get a job with amanda or something theres alot that can be done
One thing I noticed and have not seen anywhere is the end of chapter results about Chloe for the Bae option. If she is alive there is a part in blue that says she is "grateful" to be alive but only that word. The blue text on the other options show that whatever is there can change. Makes me wonder if it's possible that Chloe could at some point feel differently.
I thought Ashly Burch was part of the Union which was why she couldn’t reprise the role.
She is & Let just say There are a lot of Life is Strange 1 Actors who are in that Union. Like Dayeanna said She can't play Life is Strange under Union Rules.
@@mattstansbeary3068 Does that include Nik Shriner?
@@Lilothestitch24 I don't know all I know is wait until Ep 5 & find out. Lets say the part where I seen Hannah Voices His lines.. Take that as you will.
Ashley Burch is definitely too expensive for deck nine
Awesome video and as for Chloe idk what would happen because I don't mind them not being with each other but broken up seems weird
If you pick that Chloe is alive at one point in the game there’s a snippet of a sound that’s Chloe and Max arguing that’s not in the og game I’m sure of it
There is such a thing as pettiness causing wasting money and time on rerecording lines.
Matthew Colville is a TTRPG RUclipsr who's worked on video games and has said that at one point they had all voice lines recorded, but the creative director changed and they forced all the voice lines to be recorded without even listening to them. Just because he wanted it done under his control. That really made me cynical of corporate structures in game dev companies (Not that we shouldn't be anyway).
All I know is she better make an appearance and we better get back or I’m refunding the game the writing and execution of the breakup is so poor it makes me just want to go back to LIS 1 and just re live the good moments cause this is bullshit deck nine really screwed up and if she doesn’t show up at least once then it’s all fucked
Take a breath.
@@DennisAlexis 😂 ever heard of criticism, lol embarrassing.
"we did safi"
"we did max"
"we did alex"
"and now we are gonna do chloe" 💀 crazy set of words
Love your video and keep up the great work you are awesome bro
I feel like this project has been a pretty major cash grab, and I think it'd be a missed opportunity to do nothing with Chloe, in terms of potentially showing up physically in the game. I'm 50/50 on it right now, we still have 3 chapters to go and I could see it going either way.
They should had stick to the endings in the first game all this "all grown up" is bullshit
Please tell me that they didn't break up Max and Chloe? I've been trying to keep spoiler free, but I heard this rumour, but it's too stupid to be true, surely?
Like this would moronic in a historic way, and I'd lose ALL interest in not just this Life is Strange, but any future LiS games...
They did break, in fact, very stupidly. If you want I can tell you more details.
@@7sonchoska7 No fucking ways!? Surely not??? That's completely insane! I suppose you might as well spoil some more, because I'm certainly not buying this garbage.
@@7sonchoska7 I don't understand. I replied to you earlier, but just double checking an my reply isn't here. 😕
If they're really broken up, you may as well spoil it a bit more as I certainly won't be buying this garbage.
@@creationguy3871 Idk what's the issue, but from what we know Chloe broke up with Max via LETTER. She just wrote that she doesn't want Max to keep rewinding for her (which is actually BS since she hasn't used her power after the events in Arcadia Bay) and Max lives in the past so she leaves her.
@@7sonchoska7 That's complete lunacy! Is this actually real!? It's like it's so unbelievly terrible that it's almost like a prank. Surely, surely it's a joke... right? 😕
Hopefully everyone will get over this Chloe obsession and allow other characters to tell their story.
I'm sorry, but Chloe was always terrible. If they end up back together it'll just prove that all y'all need help.
You no what's fuck? putting your personal ideology in a game that's what's up
Ok, I'm absolutely with you here, but I also understand the other side of the argument. At the end of the day, it is fiction and liking a toxic relationship doesn't make them toxic, just indulged. If you indulge someone for 10 years and then cut them off with a kind of poorly written letter I can understand why it would hurt them. I do think them breaking up was for the best but I wish the devs could've let them down easier.
@@laiag4854 If they wanted to stop with Chloe, they honestly should've followed the Bay Ending where she was dead.
The game sucks Sweet Baby Inc killed this Franchise!