Our Markforged Metal X 3D Prints Copper, Inconel, Stainless and more…
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2022
- Metal X 3D Printer from MarkForged.
ANOTHER amazing piece of technology has dropped onto our shop floor! Markforged Metal X arrives and we immediately put it to the test and the result is truly mind blowing.
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Concerning the Entry Level in the Title:
looking at high level metal printing our Trumpf prints at .00078 per layer and has Crazy tolerances… it also costs $750K but is used in the Rocket industry to make engine components etc.
This one is $150k approx for the whole system and is still Crazy Legit for printing real parts out of Inconel, 17-4ss, Copper etc. The layer is .002-.005 and tolerances are great but not as good as Trumpf. So for us, entry into legit quality oriented printing for real industry products… This would be entry level.
There are many other entry level machines but the tolerances you get from this machine is Amazing.
Of course there are printers that cost $10 million+…
So looking at context and industries served… This for us is entry level.
PS. I also have a $1k Prusa printer that I use at home😁
Thanks… That’s my take but I am still learning also… so will keep researching.
Titan
Do you run into issues like on a common fdm printer? Retracting issues, stringing, and overhang issues?
Love this!
Great video and a really cool machine. One question that popped into my mind was about the Hepa-filter setup you have. My understanding is that it captures particles down to a particle size of .3 microns. You talk both about particulates and fumes so I'm wondering if .3 microns really is enough for the fumes? I read that it can be down to .15 μm in welding situations.
Edit: I noticed the "Fume extraction technology" mark on the machine, so I guess this is what is was designed for. =)
I modified my $150 anycubic mega zero to do it too 😂
@@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 That's awesome! Do you have any video or blog on how you did that?
“The BOFA unit.” In a perfect world…that unit model is DZ or similar.
With some proprietary threaded hex washers
came for this.
BOFA DZ nutz
I'm so excited about the future of additive manufacturing. My wife and I coach a high school robotics team and have added an FDM printer to our list of tools. Learning Solidworks and 3D printing and then teaching it to our students has opened up so many new directions that we can go with how many new parts that we can make. We have taken that next step up with our robot design and building.
We're currently in contact with a company that makes desktop CNC mills to see if we can work out a partnership between their company and our team and might be getting into CNC machining to be able to add aluminum parts manufacturing to our toolkit. My son and I have been going through the Academy to learn all we can in order to make this new set of processes integrate as painlessly as possible into our workflow.
Thank you for all the information that Titans of CNC makes available to the community!
I'm amazed Markdforged and Desktop Metal have been able to even sell these things. For all of this money you get:
* The properties of sintered metal parts (bad part density).
* Horrible tolerances (near net shape at best).
* Even worse tolerances after shrinkage during sintering (non-uniform shrinkage to boot).
* Very fiddly and error prone multi step process.
* Lots of limitations on designs due to the sintering process.
For a production machine there are vanishingly few applications where you could not do it better and cheaper with either a high performance polymer or traditional CNC. For applications where a combination of the design and material requirements necessitate additive manufacturing these just won't perform and you will need to use an SLS machine or some variant.
Have you used one, or are you just pulling your "points" out of thin air? I use one at work everyday. All of your points are false
This is more or less my assessment of this particular additive process as well. I'm not sure we could use this particular process for anything we are doing as it seems much more expensive than conventional machining.
“Anticlimactic” I’m sure you have heard that several times Trevor. Lol great video, can’t wait to see the sintering process!
Would like to see you check the dimensional accuracy of one of these sintered prints against the actual design or even just after printing. Typically sintering these types of prints causes massive warping.
Um, no
Yeah, the "99% solid" means either a shed load of shrinkage or naff all wax and stuff in the original filament.
While machining will typically get you more accurate parts, bulk sintering is a good replacement - especially with copper, which is hard to machine - because it typically causes lower deformation than point sintering (as you might see in DMLS). We get near net shape parts similar to a casting process. But we're also looking forward to more of these videos where Trevor will get up close and personal with the accuracy of the printed parts.
If something has to really accurate, you can always finish it at the mill. Print at night, and do some finishing milling at day.
Sintering is a highly predictable and repeatable process with uniform shrinkage. The warping is a lie.
excited to see more of this process! Especially reviewed from a professional machine shop perspective.
Show us more asap! Will be really interesting to see you do a part that has some internal features that would be impossible, or impractical to machine. Then take that same part and do some multi axis finishing on the outside to bring it to exact shape and with a smooth finish at the same time. The possibilities are truly unlimited!
The markforged are impressive machines. I’m impressed the bofa can take the hot output from the furnace without melting!
Would have been nice to see the finished product. Also you and I have different definitions of "Entry level"... $165k may be cheap compare to some of your other machines, but its not "entry level" in my book.
Yep, when looking at high level metal printing our Trumpf prints at .00078 per layer and has Crazy tolerances… it also costs $750K but is used in the Rocket industry to make engine components etc.
This one is $150k approx for the whole system and is still Crazy Legit for printing real parts out of Inconel, 17-4ss, Copper etc. The layer is .002-.005 and tolerances are great but not as good as Trumpf. So for us, entry into legit quality oriented printing for real industry products… This would be entry level.
There are many other entry level machines but the tolerances you get from this machine is Amazing.
Of course there are printers that cost $10 million+…
So looking at context and industries served… This for us is entry level.
PS. I also have a $1k Prusa printer that I use at home😁
Thanks… That’s my take but I am still learning also… so will keep researching.
Titan
While I know some people will argue it will never be "as good" of a part as one made from solid metal, for the right application this has a lot of potential to streamline manufacturing. It is quite common for 3D prints to have pieces done oversize so they can be stuck into a mill and cut to final dimensions, a lot like a casting. Ultimately this is not going to work for everything, but it is a useful tool to add to have at your disposal.
Wait wait wait, correct me if I'm wrong here, but this is a normal dual filament fdm printer, a normal ultrasonic cleaner, and a normal programmable electric kiln. The only thing special about the whole system is the filament itself, which you could print on an ender 3, clean with a jewelry bath, and bake with a cheap chemistry kiln. Why is the system so expensive? What does this offer that *much* cheaper, off the shelf part don't?
You go ahead and do that and compare the parts side by side, and don't forget to report how much time it took you to get it right and printing correctly.
That's what you're paying for. Time saved and reliability
You’re paying software that calculate the shrinkage of the piece as well.
That's really cool. I actually work in metal injection molding, both making feedstock and the debinding/sintering. I don't even smell solvent anymore.lol
Great video guys. We love our Metal X too, especially Printing Inconel 625 in Australia at New Forge Engineering
This is amazing technology! Love it!
Can’t wait to see more 3d printing stuff. BOOM
That's got to be pretty exciting!
Please do a collab with Linus Tech Tips on a copper heat sink. 😀
I am so excited for all of the metal additive. BOOM
I'm officially envious.
I think it would be important to go over the economics of this type of printing. I have spoken to some who tried this exact system and found it didnt work for them financially. The actual cost of making the parts based on time and materials would be useful to people just getting started in this field. It is information that many people would need to know before they decide to spend money. Charles
Economics are not an issue when you can't machine that heatsink they made.
@@vidznstuff1 Economics is always a factor for your customer... How much does it cost you with that equipment compared to other equipment can break the bank if you dont understand the difference.
Depends on your needs really. It saves tons of money on printing complicated parts rather than machining them. If youre printing parts that could easily be machined in no time then you'll never see a financial return
Really interested to see experiments with post-machining parts, especially what can be done on green (printed but not sintered) parts
The green parts can't be machined. The are very brittle. You also would want to wait until after sintering to do machining as the sintering process changes the shape of the parts (non-uniform shrinkage).
@@afosterw They can have some post-processing done to them
Especially sanding or sand/glass blasting for improved surface finish
Maybe not machining, although I think it could be possible with caution
Shrinkage is known quite well (and automatically compensated for by the Eiger software) but yes for critical dimensions you'd have to wait after sintering
Just curious to see the kind of things you can do on green parts
That’s amazing
I've been trying to tell people about Markforged for years but nobody would ever listen. I randomly came across them because they sent out free sample Keychains printed in standard stuff and then printed in their carbon matrix something or other, IIRC. The difference was staggering. Even then, I saw that they were steps ahead of many other companies. 👌
Its amazing how far addaptive machining has come in the past few years!
Does the part shrink during the sintering process?
Additive*
Definitely shrinks a bit
yes because the plastic in the filament get burnt away when the model is sintered
Yes, the part does shrink during the sintering process, but our Eiger software automatically scales up the part for printing based on the material selected.
@@markforged Thats amazing. Thx for the explanation!
We definitely need to print some broadheads.
Insane in the brain!!
This is so good. It is going to bring the cost of metal printing down a lot. I guess software needs to do a lot of tricks to compensate for shrinkage and differential shrinkage.
Shrinkage isn't so bad and can be compensated pretty easily or be reduced with an infiltration approach
Good video, thanks.
So do you run into retraction issues and other common fdm printer problems with this printer as well?
Sick bros
I f-ing love being an engineer right now
Titian you guys recently got EDM so this copper printer will print copper electrodes for EDM ? If you can do that it will be insane.
Can you make any videos on injection molding or pressed alumina ceramic parts?
How strong is the material when 3D printed in this way? Seems like if it’s to replace certain processes, this has its limitations. I’d like to see how far it could go. Wondering how a fusion surface would hold by fusing Nickel and copper. Cool vid!
I remember some 3D printed stainless steels being upward of 1500 MPa in yield strength. Actually very high compared to a casting!
Not very strong compared to machined or SLS parts. You basically have the properties of a powder sintered part. Material density is generally bad and not uniform throughout the part due to sintering. Parts out of these things have very few real world applications.
The additive dept rocks.
Just watched a video of a guy 3D print a suppressor for his gun. Someone in the comment section went: “Imagine if we could 3D print ammo”.
Bruh
Could you print on a solid plate that gets fused to the final part? If you were making a heatsink, wouldn't you want a solid metal interface?
Very cool! BUT as someone in the mould making industry, can you use this to make electrodes for sinker EDMs?
Yep, we just got a sinker😁🤔😉
@@TITANSofCNC Noice!
Not really. Anything with an aspect ratio higher than 8/1 is going to warp significantly or completely collapse during the sintering process. Since trodes are commonly long and thin that limitation basically makes any Metal printer that relies on sintering (Markforged, Desktop Metal) useless for EDM.
@@codyhowell258 So if I understand your comment, you can’t get the precision you’d need due to sintering. I would agree with that. However adding extra material that could be machined off to get the final size, would allow your electrodes to have crazy flushing/suction built into the design increasing EDM burn speeds and better surface finish.
What is the shrinking factor? Will the printer correct it?
This is like the beginning of the internet in 1969 and then again in 1983. Hardly anyone new what the internet was back then and it had very few applications because of limited infrastructure and technology. I bet in 20-30 years all the kinks will be worked out and cast metal parts will be a thing of the past. I worked at Precision Cast Parts as a rework grinder and the whole process seemed primitive compared to this. Yes, the cast metal parts are superior now but the possibilities metal printing are the next level.
What about Desktop Metals Studio2 . No wash needed just printer to sinter. Was Studio 2 looked at or considered, why or why not? Thanks!
1:56 aren't the vented fumes and particulates hazardous to your neighbors?
I'm very curious how the final product looks like...
Oh wow, with your love affair with aerospace parts ... are there rocket engine components on the horizon?
You should try the SLM Solutions NXG XII 600
Do you guys print commercially for clients? I have some small metal hubs I want to print for a geodesic dome. But metal 3d printers are hard to come by
How much do each of those spools cost and how much actual copper is in one?
You can grab .5kg of copper from virtual foundry and print it on any standard fdm for about 70usd. I don't know how much thr mark forged stuff is, but if it's like the printer...
Will that copper work in my Ender 5?
can you print printed circuit PCB?
Can this be used to make electronic circuit cards? How thin/wide can you make the line???
We can print electrical contacts, but the cards are likely made with a different material and might require two different processes.
@@markforged thank you!! I appreciate your fast reply.
what's the smallest plate like an axial copper design
Can it print high res minis? Asking for a friend here.
Lol at the "bofa". Bofa deez nutz
Thats amazing, although kinda sad, as 5 axis programmer and operator its cool to see but the you relize your watching your job become obsolete right before you eyes
Not true, this is an amazing machine but it's no where near being able to take someone's job
@@hewhoshallnotbenamed4465 how so? They can print parts i physically cant machine, and with no stock waste, or special tooling required to be ordered, and at 150,000 a piece they could buy two printers for less then what my machine cost.
i didn t really realize , it s a real copper or just a color?
love how mark forge starts from z=ero and passes so many older bigger competitors, why?????
My shop is getting a Fortus 450mm
Is there a printing service ?
if you’re serious about additive manufacturing, and you’re ready to start printing in metal, then the Markforged Metal X will bring you to that next level
how 'bout printing inconel? YOU CAN DO IT BOOOM
How much does it shrink
How much does the filament cost?
please show testing of the result
HEPA only filters particulates, not fumes
Wondering if next time you show a "printing" video, you could maybe throw some chips at the screen?
The Bofa unit … The bofa these nuts
Couldn’t help but laugh at Bofa
How i can buy one. I'm from Viet Nam
Boom
I guess the only things that beauty can't print is money, lots and lots of money!🗳
Does it need internet access to function?
Technically no, you can upload a .mfp file directly to the printer via usb and it will work. However, in order to slice your part, get remote updates from Markforged, and start and monitor your prints remotely, you will need an internet connection.
“What's BOFA?”
“BOFA deez n...”
I'm cnc operator on milling machines. And see, need to find other Job...
i wonder what BOFA stands for
I have a ender 3 :)
Entry level?
Ease of use, meaning it requires very little to no intervention to get the designed component to print a dimensionally acceptable part. Cost is justified by application and complexity verses the usual machining methods. It will be interesting to see how this plays with making crazy EDM sinker dies.
Whole different ball park.
Apparently this was 100k, enterprise level is 750k to 10M to.....
@@dougaltolan3017 that's how much this costs?
Additional manufacturing it's called
No waste only prob is copyright infringement, before you had a company that repaired it's OWN
A 3D can do IT yourself Yahoo
Titan keep on keeping ON
Additive manufacturing, not additional manufacturing.
Can I hire you to print a part for me?
Are you gonna make Ironman?
All the people commenting that are hating on it -- have you used a metal x? Didn't think so....
Badass..teach me
ATF has entered the chat*
😎
0:04 Is that Tom Cruise?
what's BOFA
If you paid an agency for this you need to get your money back lmao
I have a Prusa that costs 700 and it can print the same thing. Hope you guys show what a 150k printer really can do.
There is nothing special with the printer but you still need the furnace
@@vmiguel1988 Yea I got one for lost PLA casting. Should do the trick.
@Trevor Goforth If you can find (or make...) the right size copper/iconel/whatever filament, there's absolutely no reason you can't do the same thing this mega-$$$ machine does using your $200-$500 Ender 3/Prusa/Sidewinder/whatever printer to do it. I know for certain that copper filament can be had in 1.75mm form, ferinstance. Perfect fit for an Ender 3. Just be ready to hand over some BIG (relative to PLA/ABS/etc) bucks to get a roll of it. Haven't looked into Iconel - just stumbled across the copper stuff while looking for conductive filament for printing PCBs. Once I saw the price, decided it'd be *WAY* more cost-effective, and almost certainly faster, to just use "traditional" (mask and etch) PCB making methods, or job the PCBs out to one of the various places that offer the service.
Bad ass
ah yes the bofa unit, BOFA DEEZ NUTS
So sick. I love it. And all in America too... Keep it up guys.
those hands...
i think i can do all that with a $300 printer and some other machines totaling 2k and get actually fusion of the metal which you absolutely will not get using that sinter machine. if its hot enough to melt/fuse the copper its hot enough to collapse the print into a pool of material
Lmao how do you know? Good luck with that
01:59 - BOFA Deez Nuts
copper filament ? bro theyre copper casting the plastic molds they printed and calling it ''printed copper''
This is not entry level by any means. You might want to rename your video.
why do you blue balled me like this(
Hard to call this a "metal 3d printer" when you also need a whole processing plant to get a usable part after its printed.
None of this is what I'd call entry level.
They play in a whole different ball park.
@@dougaltolan3017 i don't think they can talk economics,
from my understanding they don't buy any of these machines..
BOFA DEEZ NUTZ