18:40 since Ela and Zofia came out, if one killed the other you got +10 points for ‘Sister Rivalry’. It definitely wasn’t manufactured later on as this video implies.
Can't do that. It would be Ubi admitting they screwed up and that's not something they have balls to do. But if they ever found those balls on themselves, that would actually be pretty clean and conclusive way to do it.
@ All I've seen is that they're sidestepping the responsibility from what ever caused the delays. Never actually saying they did something wrong. Even with the IP infringement (the flags from the historic re-enactment group) they had a fallguy and said it was accident instead of straight up admitting they as a company were just negligent on vetting their source materials.
I played a l o t of situations and t hunt back in the day. Varsity is correct. On attack, the dudes just had a bunch of set spawns and not every single one was used. Any objectives had more importance, so they had more terrorists spawn there. They did have the ability to roam, but it wasn't all that common. They probably saw the grouped up spawns and the occasional roamer and assumed they had free reign over the map, which is true they just didn't move around enough to actually strategize together. About 80% of the ai just kinda sits where they spawn until they hear the player and move towards the player. Defense is a lot simpler because they do just spawn in waves outside the buildings and take the simplest path to the objective. If you played enough of it, you could start learning all the spawns, throw on a suppressor, and just prefire every possible spawn and very easily solo clear the hardest difficulty without ever taking a single point of damage. On the surface it did seem pretty complicated because the ai is allowed to move towards the players when they hear noise, all of the bomb sites had stacks of terrorist who all "gathered" together, and a handful of the ai was able to roam. Once you got to a higher level of play, it became stupid silly simple. Also the way he says room isn't specifically an American thing. It really depends on what your parents say because it's not super localized. There's more people who say it in the midwest, but it's not specifically a midwest thing because there's a handful of people everywhere from coast to coast who say it that way. It's still a pretty uncommon way to hear room said.
I will never forgive Ubishit for removing the situations and t hunt. I would spend hours on situations trying to speed run them. You could even play them without an internet connection.
I agree that lore is not so important in a pvp game but I like unik interactions between operators that refers to lore like when you track fenrir with daimos
I remember talking with my friends about how we wished for interactions between agents like in Valorant to come to siege, and Ubisoft immediately released Deimos in the very next season with special interactions with Fenrir. Awesome!
In the Deimos comic, Ash and Deimos basically make a deal that has Deimos working for Rainbow under heavy supervision. Yeah bc what could be safer then giving the guy who just tried to kill you, AND had already killed your 'leader', a gun.
So the original video is wrong about basically everything with nighthaven, first, Harry didn't hire nighthaven for "no reason," he specifically hired them bc they are a private mecanary company that are comparable to rainbow, that can not be controlled through any other way than money, they are a threat, he hired them to keep an eye on them, and he even knew he couldn't keep them around forever, but even a year or two is better than nothing. Second, rainbow didn't invade nighthaven with "no evidence," they had been shot at with ammunition that was nighthaven, that would be more than enough for them to get a permit to shut down nighthaven forever, but instead of doing that, they just looked for ammunition shipping records, to find out who the actual threat was. Third, nokk didn't make a sloppy escape, she made the best escape she could, bc this is still a group of people on the level of team rainbow and they had counter measures, in fact her escape is so perfect, that had finka not joined nighthaven, they never would have found out it was nokk who stole their records, and even knowing it was nokk, they literally couldn't do anything to rainbow bc they had no evidence, and that's why grim only targets nokk. Fourth, rainbow didn't just decide that it wasn't nighthaven, they looked at the records they took from nighthaven, and found out it wasn't them. Fifth, rainbow didn't realize that nighthaven's gear was stolen after the solis moment, solis was already there bc rainbow knew that nighthaven's ammo was stolen, solis is there to watch nighthaven and stop them if they try to act in retaliation to whoever stole their gear, bc a pmc just doing it's own thing and killing people is illegal and a huge international crisis, the kind of crisis that would have team rainbow called in to deal with it, so rainbow prevents that ahead of time, bc they know kali is hot headed, and even keeps nighthaven in the loop about the deimos situation, bc they are trying to keep kali from doing anything that would cause everyone problems. My main problem with the original video is how he just entirely lies or misunderstands the nighthaven story. As for why nighthaven and deimos still train with rainbow, they don't, rainbow probably has a couple of operators in training that stand in for those individuals, since they know they might have to fight against any of them, so it might be a good idea to have so training against someone similar, especially unknown individuals like grim and deimos. Is the lore really good, no, but it makes sense if you actually pay attention, still mid as heck, but it does actually tie in together, except for sam fisher, they really just added him and left his whole story of being in hiding unfinished.
The game also does have more lore than the video talked about. It's just that people don't read the operator descriptions/backgrounds. Zofia used to withstand I believe due to specific military training. Echo used to be Dok immune cause he threw his phone out after she spam called him (also why he has a wrist device). Cav has her interrogation ability specifically because she was overtly violent on her task force. Bunch of more gameplay stuff, either removed or still in the game, can be explained by the bios
@alexsoo501 Some other lore I like includes; Vigil losing both his father and brother to become orphaned, hence why he has his mask due to sever trauma. Jaeger is very autistic, though not directly said his bio directly calls him "lively" and "dizzying". Alibi came from an arms dealer family and has ties to crime families, this paired with her having years of undercover work allows her to hide the identity of herself and teammates
The writers went from normal people trying to make a decent story for a game to writers wearing blindfolds, spinning a choice wheel, and taking hallucinogens
@@jazz_daddy251 i mean.. it's a low hanging fruit. if you're not funny and don't know how to make original jokes just type gonne-6 or chalet. easy 100 likes
4:37 I wish there was a setting to disable skins, firstly because I like the default grounded designs, and second because I can barely tell who’s who and make out a person from an environment, even with the rim lighting and whatnot
In terms of the stadium stuff, it was something that actually happened, not to the same extend necessarily, but the brittish special forces DID do something like that, to show how tactical and productive they were (in lore thatcher took part, its his elite skin) and the special forces DO have competitions, there is a special forces "Olympics" that i believe is a UN thing (correct me if im wrong, i know of it thanks to a factfiend video i saw a few months ago about the gign using revolvers)
They have yearly the a best Ranger competition for Army Rangers and sometimes they invite other special forces units. There's also the best sniper competitions.
Operation Nimrod (the Elite Skin for Thatcher IIRC), is the code name for the terrorist attack on an embassy a couple decades ago, and before the attack they set up kill houses to run through and be prepared for where terrorists might be. Also, the UN “olympics for armies” is held on private areas away from spectators unaffiliated with any special forces, which would help quite a bit in protecting themselves from terrorist attacks
They should just focus on anti terrorism lore.. Ross kemp used to do a TV series called Ultimate Force which was based around the SAS anti terrorism and it was top class. It would be the best lore for the R6 by far.
For the most parts, it makes complete sense for Lore to not interact with gameplay at all. Think of games like League of Legends. A character like Aurelion Sol, a space dragon who forges stars and planets, would never be able to exist in a game side by side with a man with a gun if lore was to be taken literal. It can work sometimes, like when RIOT had an event where Gangplank died in the lore, so he was disabled from play for a little bit, but then he came back. The point being that as the lore is concerned, a lot of characters, like Deimos, make no sense in Siege. But lore shouldn't affect gameplay like that
Yeah I didn’t get that complaint either. It felt more nitpick than a valid criticism because of a bunch of games do this. Overwatch (which he even mentions) does the same thing. Like why would Tracer ever team up with Widowmaker or Doomfist if we go by the lore.
@@CamronSixx22 you either go one way or the other you can't have aspects that interact with the game and have aspects that don't so anything. Although it was a nitpick he was right about Harry being the downfall of the lore
@ oh yeah Harry and the direction he made them go was the catalyst, but overall the writers didn’t know what they wanted. Like Harry was right that despite their methods, it’s better to have a highly capable group like nighthaven as your ally rather than you’re enemy, then they forced a lot of dumb arguments to make it seem like a bad idea.
@@CamronSixx22 oh 100% I actually enjoyed the lore when the white masks were causing havoc but ever since they took out the terrorists there really isn't a threat for rainbow I get that they're supposed to be ready for anything however it can't be that hard to make some more campaigns to overall push a new narrative. They need to get the lore together otherwise r6 is gonna die especially because of the stupid shit added like ranked 2.0 and the blackbeard rework
If we want lore to return back to the original Rainbow Six siege we need rain bow six siege 2. And better benefits would be better coding, better anti cheat etc.
23:10 I think they introduced Deimos because in the comics he somehow convinced Ash to take him along to some missions in order to get information? And I may be wrong.. but I think he, somehow, escaped.. again
Regarding the Apex lore, I genuinely miss earlier Apex Legends. Every new season had great story to it like Revenant killing the "new legend" Forge, Loba being an orphan because of Revenant, etc. You'd be hyped to play when those new season trailers would drop (and the music was awesome too). Just a shame the fall the game has taken over the past 2 years
Revenant trailer is still insane to this day. The amount of views it got when released sure did boost the game for some time. The devs also did a great job on tricking dataminers and stuff
@FalconHgv the devs definitely made the dataminers look silly, and that Rev reveal was a "holy shit" fun trailer. Then we got the RevTane meta. Not as fun.. lol
The main problem with R6 and it's lore is in the core design of the game: defenders are terrorists who guard a chemical bomb (or holding a hostage) - how else can you spin this fact without admitting that defenders are always the bad guys here? Well, by making it into a mere game: No, you are not playing a terrorist, you are playing a ROLE of a terrorist, for the sake of battling terrorists. The whole problem is that you can't openly tell players they HAVE TO play the bad guys. That's what is completely different from the rest of the Rainbow Six franchise. Given these difficulties I would not blame the writers that much - sure, it makes little sense but given the circumstances there was not much they could have done differently.
22:50 this part is just simply ridicoulus. Imagine a world where you play League of Legends and you have to decide either you can only play characters from Demacia or Noxus. Bruh. Nitpicking at it's finest at this point. Sure the lore is bad, but come on man, look around. A lot of other games do that thing too.
The Ai would actually group up and swarm you/surround you if you weren't careful enough. That was back when silencers were key to that type of game mode, as they ensured that you wouldn't immediately be surrounded by enemies. I remember the first few times playing old terror hunt, without silencer (because you had to unlock it) and immediately getting swarmed on all sides by the guys, while also getting charged by the bombers. It was both hilarious and fun while also making sure you had to be extremely careful about checking corners and rooms. The higher the difficulty the smarter the AI were, nowadays, they're replacements have just been given aimbot and made them much dumber and simple than they used to be. That gamemode was the only real reason me and friends would even still play the game, as when we had enough of dealing with bs online sweaty tryhards, even on standard, we just went to that gamemode instead to have fun... now, they removed that and replaced it with the equivalent of aimbotting normal AI morons that may as well be no different than playing the online game half the time nowadays. Another reason I hate the game now, is they removed every single fun aspect to it, from hiding in the dark corners (because as an operator I guess your job is no longer to professionally check the building and take out the threat but instead to run in like a headless chicken). No, no more of that, instead the game is now as bright as my phone on light mode, with operators now highlighted for some reason.... because I guess using your eyes to see something was too much to ask for from some people down in bronze and copper. Pretty much every single night map doesn't really exist anymore online because of that exact reason, because "Dark is bad and people can't see you if you're in the dark." Even though thats the ENTIRE POINT OF DARKNESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
What should have happened is they make it so you can either be rainbow or night haven, and the other team is the other side, with both getting defender and attacker kits, making it so they still fight and not work together
I feel like there are less gaps in the lore than what that video was implying, but the pieces of the puzzle just aren’t being put together properly so it’s not making sense. I’d love to dive more into it and get my own thoughts out there. Maybe I’ll do that some time soon.
3:38 Nope. :) Not quite. They actually scrapped that game and then decided to make the new R6 game something completely different when a small team around Xavier Marquis came up with the idea and later a prototype of what would be known as Siege.
i miss patriots i was so hyped for that game then it went away but since i was so invested in it by signing up for so many early access things for it i ended up getting invited to the closed alpha for siege so at least there was a silver lining
@ 23:55, as much as I hate to say it, I agree. They shot themselves in the foot when they made the "good" and "bad" guys be on both sides of the match. They should've just made defenders being always the "bad" guys, or at least the "good" guys defend something that isn't a bomb. Perhaps a VIP or a vault. Using OW or like Heroes of the Storm (yes it still exists and its a great game) as comparison also applies here, as OW also has the bad guys team up with the good guys, although the voice lines in the pre-game does help mitigate this a bit by having the characters scorn/throw shade at each other. I theorise its a money-making decision because if you have the good and bad guys be on any side, you increase their exposure to more players; allowing more engagement and thus - more sales of skins. Sad to say that is the current state of games where money > story (not saying all games, but at least live service games). A good example of a game that prioritizes story accuracy more is Star Wars Battlefront, not counting the heroes vs villains gametype, but you will never see a stormtrooper/droid team up with a Rebel/Clone Trooper, same goes for their respective "heroes". But it's safe to assume the SW community is too large (and perhaps fanatic) to disappoint or subvert expectations with similar tactics as the latter and former. In closing, I do think RS would greatly improve if its lore was more concise - it will only bring in more players and skins would have greater weight because there is a story tied to it; like an Ash skin that was used in a cinematic/comic. When they introduced Sam Fisher was when I had more interest in it - him being a mentor/old veteran was a good use of him, imo. Then him being all sneaky sneak on Deimos was awesome. But because he is the only character outside of the game's roster with an existing and established lore, (unfamiliar with Deimos) it is crucial they don't shoot another foot by making his character in the game be a detriment to his (hopefully) future games.
If IQ worked as described,she would basically have a wall hack since she can see "everything that runs on electricity" meaning red dots, holo sights on guns lasers, phones in their pocets.... She would be stupidity op.
I bought the game on my I think 14th birthday cuz my friends told me to do so. I at the time thought they were trolling cuz of the name since I never heard of the series before and didn’t think I would. Went to GameStop, saw it, and bought it. Same two friends didn’t buy it for 2 years even tho it made me play it every single day for years
As much as i enjoyed playing R6 back in the day, it really kinda has gone down hill. Had they kept the PVE aspect in the game, more people probably would've stayed and played the game. As for R6 Extraction, it had some decent lore and it definitely could've gone on for a couple of years but sadly i think the R6 community bashed the hell out of it before even trying it cause it was strictly only PVE (and those who DID play it and still didn't like it, i can respect your judgement). All in all, I'm not sure how much longer R6 is gonna go on for before they start to have operators using very very similar gadgets or start using gadgets from other games (I'm talking about Blackbeard using a DIVISION RETRACTABLE SHIELD) to improve their current list of characters.
I know there was rumors that deimos was going to kill operators in the lore and in game that would take them out. I never put much faith in those rumors because ubisoft would piss off siege players if they lets say both killed and removed ash from the game. All the skins and stuff you got for her gone.
I'm usually right behind varsity with his takes but this one I feel is a little contradictory. Saying a games lore is bad is one thing but wanting it to be good lore that doesn't affect the game kind of defeats the purpose. The "reason" they made ow2 was for lore expansion and addition of an entire separate story mode. I get that they used to have situations and realize they could continue with some other vs. ai missions, but honestly I feel like if they just had the intention of separating rainbow and nighthaven from the start it could've been a really cool concept. Like in destiny, game had amazing lore (at least in the first game) and it guided the entire direction of the game for a while. But I feel like once they put the lore on the backburner (which is what i feel like they did to some degree in d2), the game became way less fun with the way they were trying to change it. So if they did ever do lore tie-ins, especially since it's ubisoft, could go great or terrible
Heres hoping that them doing stuff like attack on hereford won't be a one off. And we see more story tied directly to events and hopegully the comics get put in game.
@23:20 on the topic of lore and multiplayer not lining up ash was in a coma after deimos tried to blow them up imagine she was unplayable while she was in a coma there would have been so many salty ash mains
The lore now has gotten much better and in the beginning I can agree it was bad. The lore is good enough that Kudos entire channel is about lore. So i see his point but also its gotten better since the making of that video. IMO
I stopped caring about lore when it because apparent they wanted to prioritized= Pro League over the normal player base. Also when it comes to multiplayer, we should just throw lore out the window for the most part. He railed on Deimos, but even before that. You have R6 and Night haven hating each other and splitting up b in MP they're working on the same teams. It doesn't matter there.
10 bucks says you never read a Tom Clancy Novel, some of his novels weren't realistic, not every novel was hyper realistic. For instance, the Rainbow Six novel, the overall main villain of that book is two scientists trying to kill everyone in the world using a disease they make, you know, very realistic
it seems this guy forgot to go over a lot of the background lore what isnt in the comics or the animated cinimatics like the bios what give a lot of extra context he left out of said video
Siege lore sucks but this dude acting like Ela didn't canonically dislike Zofia for being their parents' older child that got extra attention for being a more disciplined child is really pissing me off, he isn't even qualified to speak on this if he doesn't know that Also on the Deimos topic, was it really so hard for this guy to open the bio tab, where Hibana says in clear text "Some operators have suggested bringing him into the field which finally made him talk during interrogations"?
I was baited at buying this game at launch, i thought it would be a semi realistic operator version of counter strike, hell, the trailers and first videos sold this version of the game. Nowadays, we have wheelchair operators, weird ass gadgets. It would be amazing to have the abilty to request a refund for false advertisement. Im glad that now we have ready or not
"I want the same realism as when it first launched" The Emp grenade that thatcher has is ten times more unrealistic than Skopos robots, and that was there on launch
USSR znipere, the EMP grenade is actually based on a real EMP jammer from Israel at the time. It very well could've existed and was way more realistic. Sure there were some crazy gadgets, but it's rainbow six. It got problematic when they kept adding operators that either didn't needed to be added and convoluted gameplay or straight up did the same thing but better or worse than other operators. Yeah Ready or Not is an infinity times better. Just wish it had rappelling and more destructible surfaces is my only gripe but it's really good other than that.
I disagree because like the hostage defense missions in T hunt made sense like you were CTs defending a VIP which makes sense real world. If terrorists were only defend, it would be too isolated.
No, because in every Tom Clancy game, you can't play as the bad guy ever. It is an unwritten rule that has been enforced for ages. Which begs the question, how the fuck we can play with Deimos
It's just narrative dissonance, gameplay usually doesn't add up to the plot. Ie niko bellic in lore is hesitant to kill and even feels ashamed of it. However player character niko can just slaughter without care.
Honestly, plenty do. - WaW had good historical connections - Modern Warfare told a pretty good and complete story, imo - Black ops 1 and 2 had my favorite stories Ghosts was lackluster, and it just went down after that
@@Mr2010forgeben honestly I can't even pretend that MW or Black Ops had good stories. They really didn't unless you completely shut your brain off and never think about anything that's happening. Didn't help that they're uncritical military propaganda. And they're not even good at that given all of the horrific war crimes they have you commit.
Considering you didn't really pause at all to talk during the video, I gotta ask; Did you ask for Lufa's permission before completely re-uploading his video?
@@xwinter__riderx9155 it’s cool I’m not making fun of u just look on any varsity video comment section for the last five years and just look it up we were all in the same position u are at some point it’s an inside joke
I'm sorry, but all this whining about how the game has become "clownish", "frivolous" and "it has a shitty lore" is all some kind of nonsense. if she had remained as "serious" as she was in the first trailer, then the game would not have lived so long. Dudes, if you want a serious lore, a tactical gameplay, then there is Ready or Not for you. However, even in such a game, there are anime skins in mods (strange, isn't it?)
Why this video of all others? I actually watched this and the guy most likely only skimmed over the Wikipedia article. He already got shit on by people who actually know the lore.
Its mid or rather it would be if everything about the esports era and dominos era didn't happen or made naturally into the story but idk Definitely not up there with some of the best cod campaigns or even other similar games. Definitely trash compared to games outside R6 genres but its a little unfair
i had seen this one a few weeks or monthes ago, its insane how bad it is xd i am playing gacha games like arknights and gfl2 and those games has better lore than most of the AAA released within last 10 years, but siege is just on another level of garbageness, the worst is that some ppl get paid to write this trash
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18:40 since Ela and Zofia came out, if one killed the other you got +10 points for ‘Sister Rivalry’. It definitely wasn’t manufactured later on as this video implies.
Just pull an "it was all a dream" to revert the lore to a time before harry
GENIUS!
Can't do that. It would be Ubi admitting they screwed up and that's not something they have balls to do.
But if they ever found those balls on themselves, that would actually be pretty clean and conclusive way to do it.
@@anteshell They literally admitted how massively they f-ed up with AC Shadows two separate times.
@ All I've seen is that they're sidestepping the responsibility from what ever caused the delays. Never actually saying they did something wrong.
Even with the IP infringement (the flags from the historic re-enactment group) they had a fallguy and said it was accident instead of straight up admitting they as a company were just negligent on vetting their source materials.
@@EUM_NEMESIS 2 comepletely different dev teams.
Lore of chalet cam?
He missed.
It's old now
Only because he missed. @Sten05
@@mikef7698with a gonne-6
"low taper fade" ahh drag 😭🙏
One thing I’ll never forgive is the writers breaking up Pulse and Hibana
Didn’t even realize TF2 had lore lol. I thought all those “Meet The” videos were just that: introduce us to the character.
Most of TF2 lore is found in the comics
TF2's lore is absolutely humongus and is extremely stupid as in theres no real logic to it but thats TF2 in a nutshell thats why I love it
There is also some lore behind the "Meet the team" video where it answered the question why there wasn't any Blu team videos about it.
@@shtwickgotcha. I’d probably like it as much as I like Overwatch’s lore. I lived for those animated shorts back in the day.
@@shtwick had me in the first half ngl
I played a l o t of situations and t hunt back in the day. Varsity is correct. On attack, the dudes just had a bunch of set spawns and not every single one was used. Any objectives had more importance, so they had more terrorists spawn there. They did have the ability to roam, but it wasn't all that common. They probably saw the grouped up spawns and the occasional roamer and assumed they had free reign over the map, which is true they just didn't move around enough to actually strategize together. About 80% of the ai just kinda sits where they spawn until they hear the player and move towards the player. Defense is a lot simpler because they do just spawn in waves outside the buildings and take the simplest path to the objective. If you played enough of it, you could start learning all the spawns, throw on a suppressor, and just prefire every possible spawn and very easily solo clear the hardest difficulty without ever taking a single point of damage. On the surface it did seem pretty complicated because the ai is allowed to move towards the players when they hear noise, all of the bomb sites had stacks of terrorist who all "gathered" together, and a handful of the ai was able to roam. Once you got to a higher level of play, it became stupid silly simple.
Also the way he says room isn't specifically an American thing. It really depends on what your parents say because it's not super localized. There's more people who say it in the midwest, but it's not specifically a midwest thing because there's a handful of people everywhere from coast to coast who say it that way. It's still a pretty uncommon way to hear room said.
I will never forgive Ubishit for removing the situations and t hunt. I would spend hours on situations trying to speed run them. You could even play them without an internet connection.
I agree that lore is not so important in a pvp game but I like unik interactions between operators that refers to lore like when you track fenrir with daimos
I remember talking with my friends about how we wished for interactions between agents like in Valorant to come to siege, and Ubisoft immediately released Deimos in the very next season with special interactions with Fenrir. Awesome!
I miss when the operators would banter at the start of the games
In the Deimos comic, Ash and Deimos basically make a deal that has Deimos working for Rainbow under heavy supervision. Yeah bc what could be safer then giving the guy who just tried to kill you, AND had already killed your 'leader', a gun.
So the original video is wrong about basically everything with nighthaven, first, Harry didn't hire nighthaven for "no reason," he specifically hired them bc they are a private mecanary company that are comparable to rainbow, that can not be controlled through any other way than money, they are a threat, he hired them to keep an eye on them, and he even knew he couldn't keep them around forever, but even a year or two is better than nothing. Second, rainbow didn't invade nighthaven with "no evidence," they had been shot at with ammunition that was nighthaven, that would be more than enough for them to get a permit to shut down nighthaven forever, but instead of doing that, they just looked for ammunition shipping records, to find out who the actual threat was. Third, nokk didn't make a sloppy escape, she made the best escape she could, bc this is still a group of people on the level of team rainbow and they had counter measures, in fact her escape is so perfect, that had finka not joined nighthaven, they never would have found out it was nokk who stole their records, and even knowing it was nokk, they literally couldn't do anything to rainbow bc they had no evidence, and that's why grim only targets nokk. Fourth, rainbow didn't just decide that it wasn't nighthaven, they looked at the records they took from nighthaven, and found out it wasn't them. Fifth, rainbow didn't realize that nighthaven's gear was stolen after the solis moment, solis was already there bc rainbow knew that nighthaven's ammo was stolen, solis is there to watch nighthaven and stop them if they try to act in retaliation to whoever stole their gear, bc a pmc just doing it's own thing and killing people is illegal and a huge international crisis, the kind of crisis that would have team rainbow called in to deal with it, so rainbow prevents that ahead of time, bc they know kali is hot headed, and even keeps nighthaven in the loop about the deimos situation, bc they are trying to keep kali from doing anything that would cause everyone problems. My main problem with the original video is how he just entirely lies or misunderstands the nighthaven story. As for why nighthaven and deimos still train with rainbow, they don't, rainbow probably has a couple of operators in training that stand in for those individuals, since they know they might have to fight against any of them, so it might be a good idea to have so training against someone similar, especially unknown individuals like grim and deimos. Is the lore really good, no, but it makes sense if you actually pay attention, still mid as heck, but it does actually tie in together, except for sam fisher, they really just added him and left his whole story of being in hiding unfinished.
The game also does have more lore than the video talked about. It's just that people don't read the operator descriptions/backgrounds. Zofia used to withstand I believe due to specific military training. Echo used to be Dok immune cause he threw his phone out after she spam called him (also why he has a wrist device). Cav has her interrogation ability specifically because she was overtly violent on her task force. Bunch of more gameplay stuff, either removed or still in the game, can be explained by the bios
agreed
Echo throwing away his phone due to spam calls is the most relatable part of the lore
@alexsoo501 Some other lore I like includes; Vigil losing both his father and brother to become orphaned, hence why he has his mask due to sever trauma. Jaeger is very autistic, though not directly said his bio directly calls him "lively" and "dizzying". Alibi came from an arms dealer family and has ties to crime families, this paired with her having years of undercover work allows her to hide the identity of herself and teammates
Varsity you should watch Kudos. He does a great job explaining the lore and goes more in depth than this video does
The writers went from normal people trying to make a decent story for a game to writers wearing blindfolds, spinning a choice wheel, and taking hallucinogens
my favourite siege lore is the chalet gonne-6/camera lore
This stopped being funny a long time ago
@@jazz_daddy251 i mean.. it's a low hanging fruit. if you're not funny and don't know how to make original jokes just type gonne-6 or chalet. easy 100 likes
@@jazz_daddy251 lore spans decades, maybe even centuries.
please explain what he means with that
23:13 when Deimos was released, I do remember someone saying they would take Deimos with them and use him during missions.
Yes. It is dumb. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Merch coming out soon.
Vardiddy gayming when all he has to do is upload streaming clips and reactions to RUclips.
4:37 I wish there was a setting to disable skins, firstly because I like the default grounded designs, and second because I can barely tell who’s who and make out a person from an environment, even with the rim lighting and whatnot
In terms of the stadium stuff, it was something that actually happened, not to the same extend necessarily, but the brittish special forces DID do something like that, to show how tactical and productive they were (in lore thatcher took part, its his elite skin) and the special forces DO have competitions, there is a special forces "Olympics" that i believe is a UN thing (correct me if im wrong, i know of it thanks to a factfiend video i saw a few months ago about the gign using revolvers)
They have yearly the a best Ranger competition for Army Rangers and sometimes they invite other special forces units. There's also the best sniper competitions.
The Annual Warrior Competition and Fuerzas Comando. i remember people saying how unrealistic the Olympics lore was.
Operation Nimrod (the Elite Skin for Thatcher IIRC), is the code name for the terrorist attack on an embassy a couple decades ago, and before the attack they set up kill houses to run through and be prepared for where terrorists might be. Also, the UN “olympics for armies” is held on private areas away from spectators unaffiliated with any special forces, which would help quite a bit in protecting themselves from terrorist attacks
They should just focus on anti terrorism lore..
Ross kemp used to do a TV series called Ultimate Force which was based around the SAS anti terrorism and it was top class.
It would be the best lore for the R6 by far.
I really liked outbreak, the mode was fun and unique, and I liked the cinematics that gave us dialogue and face reveals
If you ever have a chance; check out Kudos’ explanation of all of the lore. It helps clear up a lot of what this guy messed up.
you're telling me ubisoft dont know how to write an actual story, never, i thought they were masters of writing lmfao
For the most parts, it makes complete sense for Lore to not interact with gameplay at all. Think of games like League of Legends. A character like Aurelion Sol, a space dragon who forges stars and planets, would never be able to exist in a game side by side with a man with a gun if lore was to be taken literal. It can work sometimes, like when RIOT had an event where Gangplank died in the lore, so he was disabled from play for a little bit, but then he came back. The point being that as the lore is concerned, a lot of characters, like Deimos, make no sense in Siege. But lore shouldn't affect gameplay like that
I mean cods lore interacts with the game and they still pull it off
Yeah I didn’t get that complaint either. It felt more nitpick than a valid criticism because of a bunch of games do this. Overwatch (which he even mentions) does the same thing. Like why would Tracer ever team up with Widowmaker or Doomfist if we go by the lore.
@@CamronSixx22 you either go one way or the other you can't have aspects that interact with the game and have aspects that don't so anything. Although it was a nitpick he was right about Harry being the downfall of the lore
@ oh yeah Harry and the direction he made them go was the catalyst, but overall the writers didn’t know what they wanted. Like Harry was right that despite their methods, it’s better to have a highly capable group like nighthaven as your ally rather than you’re enemy, then they forced a lot of dumb arguments to make it seem like a bad idea.
@@CamronSixx22 oh 100% I actually enjoyed the lore when the white masks were causing havoc but ever since they took out the terrorists there really isn't a threat for rainbow I get that they're supposed to be ready for anything however it can't be that hard to make some more campaigns to overall push a new narrative. They need to get the lore together otherwise r6 is gonna die especially because of the stupid shit added like ranked 2.0 and the blackbeard rework
Please watch the kudos reaction video, he follows the lore very closely, and he debunked many of the points made in the video. It will explain alot
all the stuff he said about harry and the arena was eye opening
like washing mud from my eyes
If we want lore to return back to the original Rainbow Six siege we need rain bow six siege 2. And better benefits would be better coding, better anti cheat etc.
Started with Aurelia Arnot setting the tone and got in the fray.
Ended up with years of dev/writer responsible for R6's decay.
23:10 I think they introduced Deimos because in the comics he somehow convinced Ash to take him along to some missions in order to get information? And I may be wrong.. but I think he, somehow, escaped.. again
If you read the quotes in this season battlepass... Yes, he is escaped. Again.
Rainbow actually had a main character before siege, Domingo Chavez was a leader of rainbow
Remember to go to watch the original video.
kudos actually make a really great videos about this subject
Regarding the Apex lore, I genuinely miss earlier Apex Legends. Every new season had great story to it like Revenant killing the "new legend" Forge, Loba being an orphan because of Revenant, etc. You'd be hyped to play when those new season trailers would drop (and the music was awesome too). Just a shame the fall the game has taken over the past 2 years
Revenant trailer is still insane to this day. The amount of views it got when released sure did boost the game for some time. The devs also did a great job on tricking dataminers and stuff
@FalconHgv the devs definitely made the dataminers look silly, and that Rev reveal was a "holy shit" fun trailer. Then we got the RevTane meta. Not as fun.. lol
I wonder if Varsity missing chalet cam with a gonne-6 is canon
The main problem with R6 and it's lore is in the core design of the game: defenders are terrorists who guard a chemical bomb (or holding a hostage) - how else can you spin this fact without admitting that defenders are always the bad guys here? Well, by making it into a mere game: No, you are not playing a terrorist, you are playing a ROLE of a terrorist, for the sake of battling terrorists.
The whole problem is that you can't openly tell players they HAVE TO play the bad guys. That's what is completely different from the rest of the Rainbow Six franchise.
Given these difficulties I would not blame the writers that much - sure, it makes little sense but given the circumstances there was not much they could have done differently.
what i remember of T-hunt was waiting for the bots to fill the room then switching to drone to see 2-6 of them standing on my drone doing nothing.
22:50 this part is just simply ridicoulus. Imagine a world where you play League of Legends and you have to decide either you can only play characters from Demacia or Noxus. Bruh. Nitpicking at it's finest at this point. Sure the lore is bad, but come on man, look around. A lot of other games do that thing too.
Played this game for 7 years now, now you tell me there is a lore in r6?????
The Ai would actually group up and swarm you/surround you if you weren't careful enough. That was back when silencers were key to that type of game mode, as they ensured that you wouldn't immediately be surrounded by enemies. I remember the first few times playing old terror hunt, without silencer (because you had to unlock it) and immediately getting swarmed on all sides by the guys, while also getting charged by the bombers. It was both hilarious and fun while also making sure you had to be extremely careful about checking corners and rooms. The higher the difficulty the smarter the AI were, nowadays, they're replacements have just been given aimbot and made them much dumber and simple than they used to be.
That gamemode was the only real reason me and friends would even still play the game, as when we had enough of dealing with bs online sweaty tryhards, even on standard, we just went to that gamemode instead to have fun... now, they removed that and replaced it with the equivalent of aimbotting normal AI morons that may as well be no different than playing the online game half the time nowadays.
Another reason I hate the game now, is they removed every single fun aspect to it, from hiding in the dark corners (because as an operator I guess your job is no longer to professionally check the building and take out the threat but instead to run in like a headless chicken). No, no more of that, instead the game is now as bright as my phone on light mode, with operators now highlighted for some reason.... because I guess using your eyes to see something was too much to ask for from some people down in bronze and copper. Pretty much every single night map doesn't really exist anymore online because of that exact reason, because "Dark is bad and people can't see you if you're in the dark." Even though thats the ENTIRE POINT OF DARKNESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
What should have happened is they make it so you can either be rainbow or night haven, and the other team is the other side, with both getting defender and attacker kits, making it so they still fight and not work together
I like to think of the lore to be outside of the training where the training is some sort of animus thing
I feel like there are less gaps in the lore than what that video was implying, but the pieces of the puzzle just aren’t being put together properly so it’s not making sense. I’d love to dive more into it and get my own thoughts out there. Maybe I’ll do that some time soon.
Bro was glazing T-Hunt as if it wasn't basic as hell and buggy.
You mean like the rest of the game?
I could have sworn you did this before already, either that or I just got deja vu
@VarsityGaming: 25:42 that's Lalo Salamanca from Better call Saul ( Breaking bad spinoff)
This guy with the remote keeps pausing my TV Show
17:18 ash has that Trump ear bandage on. Rainbow six lore predicted the Trump assassination attempt!
After introducing Nighthaven the lore was dead to me but the operator interviews during the S.I. event were okay and a little enjoyable.
3:38 Nope. :) Not quite. They actually scrapped that game and then decided to make the new R6 game something completely different when a small team around Xavier Marquis came up with the idea and later a prototype of what would be known as Siege.
Varsity becoming a reaction channel before GTA VI
i miss patriots i was so hyped for that game then it went away but since i was so invested in it by signing up for so many early access things for it i ended up getting invited to the closed alpha for siege so at least there was a silver lining
@ 23:55, as much as I hate to say it, I agree. They shot themselves in the foot when they made the "good" and "bad" guys be on both sides of the match. They should've just made defenders being always the "bad" guys, or at least the "good" guys defend something that isn't a bomb. Perhaps a VIP or a vault.
Using OW or like Heroes of the Storm (yes it still exists and its a great game) as comparison also applies here, as OW also has the bad guys team up with the good guys, although the voice lines in the pre-game does help mitigate this a bit by having the characters scorn/throw shade at each other. I theorise its a money-making decision because if you have the good and bad guys be on any side, you increase their exposure to more players; allowing more engagement and thus - more sales of skins. Sad to say that is the current state of games where money > story (not saying all games, but at least live service games).
A good example of a game that prioritizes story accuracy more is Star Wars Battlefront, not counting the heroes vs villains gametype, but you will never see a stormtrooper/droid team up with a Rebel/Clone Trooper, same goes for their respective "heroes". But it's safe to assume the SW community is too large (and perhaps fanatic) to disappoint or subvert expectations with similar tactics as the latter and former.
In closing, I do think RS would greatly improve if its lore was more concise - it will only bring in more players and skins would have greater weight because there is a story tied to it; like an Ash skin that was used in a cinematic/comic. When they introduced Sam Fisher was when I had more interest in it - him being a mentor/old veteran was a good use of him, imo. Then him being all sneaky sneak on Deimos was awesome. But because he is the only character outside of the game's roster with an existing and established lore, (unfamiliar with Deimos) it is crucial they don't shoot another foot by making his character in the game be a detriment to his (hopefully) future games.
Hey so what are your thoughts on ooziie he gets banded a lot but says he’s never cheating
If IQ worked as described,she would basically have a wall hack since she can see "everything that runs on electricity" meaning red dots, holo sights on guns lasers, phones in their pocets.... She would be stupidity op.
I wouldn’t mind more content like this, especially with that guy who has made two videos about ubi’s nerf philosophy. Forgot what it was called
I bought the game on my I think 14th birthday cuz my friends told me to do so. I at the time thought they were trolling cuz of the name since I never heard of the series before and didn’t think I would. Went to GameStop, saw it, and bought it. Same two friends didn’t buy it for 2 years even tho it made me play it every single day for years
As much as i enjoyed playing R6 back in the day, it really kinda has gone down hill. Had they kept the PVE aspect in the game, more people probably would've stayed and played the game.
As for R6 Extraction, it had some decent lore and it definitely could've gone on for a couple of years but sadly i think the R6 community bashed the hell out of it before even trying it cause it was strictly only PVE (and those who DID play it and still didn't like it, i can respect your judgement).
All in all, I'm not sure how much longer R6 is gonna go on for before they start to have operators using very very similar gadgets or start using gadgets from other games (I'm talking about Blackbeard using a DIVISION RETRACTABLE SHIELD) to improve their current list of characters.
I know there was rumors that deimos was going to kill operators in the lore and in game that would take them out. I never put much faith in those rumors because ubisoft would piss off siege players if they lets say both killed and removed ash from the game. All the skins and stuff you got for her gone.
Ubisoft are conformist cowards, they wouldn't dare do a single thing that angers even 25% of their fanbase on purpose lo.
On another note, bring back the Bartlett map and just do a rework to give it that balance that it so desperately needed.
23:25 Varsity would absolutely hate the Destiny franchise
I'm usually right behind varsity with his takes but this one I feel is a little contradictory. Saying a games lore is bad is one thing but wanting it to be good lore that doesn't affect the game kind of defeats the purpose. The "reason" they made ow2 was for lore expansion and addition of an entire separate story mode. I get that they used to have situations and realize they could continue with some other vs. ai missions, but honestly I feel like if they just had the intention of separating rainbow and nighthaven from the start it could've been a really cool concept. Like in destiny, game had amazing lore (at least in the first game) and it guided the entire direction of the game for a while. But I feel like once they put the lore on the backburner (which is what i feel like they did to some degree in d2), the game became way less fun with the way they were trying to change it. So if they did ever do lore tie-ins, especially since it's ubisoft, could go great or terrible
Heres hoping that them doing stuff like attack on hereford won't be a one off. And we see more story tied directly to events and hopegully the comics get put in game.
Must've been a hacker who caught Nokk. How are the bees able to track allies? I thought Grimm and Nokk were attacking characters. 🙃
I always thought that "story" for a season was always just for a vibes. Dunno overall stroy just affects fanfic writers?
@23:20 on the topic of lore and multiplayer not lining up ash was in a coma after deimos tried to blow them up imagine she was unplayable while she was in a coma there would have been so many salty ash mains
I've been playing since beta and never payed attention to the tacked on story because it never made sense to me.
The lore now has gotten much better and in the beginning I can agree it was bad. The lore is good enough that Kudos entire channel is about lore. So i see his point but also its gotten better since the making of that video. IMO
When Ash was mad Cali grazed her with a bullet but everyone else who got shot in the head no one cared about like what? 💀
thats not what she was mad about lol, she was mad that kali had used her and her other teammates as live bait
Yes. Yes it is.
The white masks would have been fine and could explain the internal conflict better than what they did but, I don't play siege for the lore lmao.
I stopped caring about lore when it because apparent they wanted to prioritized= Pro League over the normal player base.
Also when it comes to multiplayer, we should just throw lore out the window for the most part. He railed on Deimos, but even before that. You have R6 and Night haven hating each other and splitting up b in MP they're working on the same teams. It doesn't matter there.
Tom Clancy is rolling in his grave. I will never forgive Jynxzi for reviving a game in sad need of death.
Jynx is a cornball
10 bucks says you never read a Tom Clancy Novel, some of his novels weren't realistic, not every novel was hyper realistic. For instance, the Rainbow Six novel, the overall main villain of that book is two scientists trying to kill everyone in the world using a disease they make, you know, very realistic
jynxi did nothing for the game 😂 and if you think so send me stats that show the game getting popular when he started streaming
D2 deleted the campaign? I quit Destiny well over 5 years ago. Sad to see how bad of a dive activision took destiny
The lore is boring because there is no R6 corn the only reason why OW lore is interesting
Except there is. its way smaller scale comparing to OW but still
bro doesn't know
Pretty sure we've all seen Ela getting folded like a tortilla.
Welcome to the internet. I recommend looking up Rule 34 of the internet before proceeding 🫡
Nokk got caught cause she didn’t have the buff yet
17:47 no way you’re mad about how he says room when you butcher Kaid all the time
it seems this guy forgot to go over a lot of the background lore what isnt in the comics or the animated cinimatics like the bios what give a lot of extra context he left out of said video
Hunt showdown best shooter lore out there and i will die on that hill
Siege lore sucks but this dude acting like Ela didn't canonically dislike Zofia for being their parents' older child that got extra attention for being a more disciplined child is really pissing me off, he isn't even qualified to speak on this if he doesn't know that
Also on the Deimos topic, was it really so hard for this guy to open the bio tab, where Hibana says in clear text "Some operators have suggested bringing him into the field which finally made him talk during interrogations"?
I was baited at buying this game at launch, i thought it would be a semi realistic operator version of counter strike, hell, the trailers and first videos sold this version of the game. Nowadays, we have wheelchair operators, weird ass gadgets. It would be amazing to have the abilty to request a refund for false advertisement.
Im glad that now we have ready or not
Tbf it would get very repetitive if the updates had similar operators to the originsls
i want more weird ass gadgets actually
"I want the same realism as when it first launched"
The Emp grenade that thatcher has is ten times more unrealistic than Skopos robots, and that was there on launch
USSR znipere, the EMP grenade is actually based on a real EMP jammer from Israel at the time. It very well could've existed and was way more realistic. Sure there were some crazy gadgets, but it's rainbow six. It got problematic when they kept adding operators that either didn't needed to be added and convoluted gameplay or straight up did the same thing but better or worse than other operators.
Yeah Ready or Not is an infinity times better. Just wish it had rappelling and more destructible surfaces is my only gripe but it's really good other than that.
See I just disagree. I really like the new lore and story siege is taking. It’s a ton of fun and interesting and give the operators personality
Bro over here waiting for the R6S developer meat riding operator who's special ability is to meat ride. 💀
hear me out only if they had a new engine made to put R6 2 on…
The lore is objectively bad)
Operators should of been Rainbow (Attackers) and Terrorists (Defenders). Making both attack and defense Team Rainbow makes the lore messy.
I disagree because like the hostage defense missions in T hunt made sense like you were CTs defending a VIP which makes sense real world. If terrorists were only defend, it would be too isolated.
It's literally training that's why they're both attacking and defending
No, because in every Tom Clancy game, you can't play as the bad guy ever. It is an unwritten rule that has been enforced for ages.
Which begs the question, how the fuck we can play with Deimos
give us back our T hunt!!
It's just narrative dissonance, gameplay usually doesn't add up to the plot. Ie niko bellic in lore is hesitant to kill and even feels ashamed of it. However player character niko can just slaughter without care.
Lol imagine thinking COD has good lore. 🤣
Honestly, plenty do.
- WaW had good historical connections
- Modern Warfare told a pretty good and complete story, imo
- Black ops 1 and 2 had my favorite stories
Ghosts was lackluster, and it just went down after that
@@Mr2010forgeben honestly I can't even pretend that MW or Black Ops had good stories. They really didn't unless you completely shut your brain off and never think about anything that's happening.
Didn't help that they're uncritical military propaganda. And they're not even good at that given all of the horrific war crimes they have you commit.
MW2019 was the first return to form and realism. MW2022 and MW2023 both were complete ass, so was Vanguard and BO6. Absolute trash.
Considering you didn't really pause at all to talk during the video, I gotta ask; Did you ask for Lufa's permission before completely re-uploading his video?
Vardiddy needs to cash in on uploading streaming clips with minimal to no editing. How dare you assume he didn't put any effort!?
Jup. Yes. Absolutely.
Oh.... but I am going to watch the video now nonetheless. 😊
Arena the worse map 😢 I like original realistic threat vision season one ❤😂
What is with this, "Chalet Cam with Gonne-6" crap?!
Looks like someone is new here
@bdogswag1114 I'm not new, I just don't even know whats going on with that
@@xwinter__riderx9155 it’s cool I’m not making fun of u just look on any varsity video comment section for the last five years and just look it up we were all in the same position u are at some point it’s an inside joke
Its a meme about a shot varsity missed 3 years ago that you can kick the long dead horse for like 50 free likes with a dumb joke about it.
It's a good video but it cuts out alot of the context that makes up the story
I'm sorry, but all this whining about how the game has become "clownish", "frivolous" and "it has a shitty lore" is all some kind of nonsense. if she had remained as "serious" as she was in the first trailer, then the game would not have lived so long.
Dudes, if you want a serious lore, a tactical gameplay, then there is Ready or Not for you. However, even in such a game, there are anime skins in mods (strange, isn't it?)
yes
Why this video of all others? I actually watched this and the guy most likely only skimmed over the Wikipedia article. He already got shit on by people who actually know the lore.
Worst lore in modern gaming is Fortnite, seige is iffy... but not to bad
Cod warzone has terrible lore
@crowdedcrouton warzone has lore??
@@Its_Only_Chill yeah unfortunately 😭
Its mid or rather it would be if everything about the esports era and dominos era didn't happen or made naturally into the story but idk
Definitely not up there with some of the best cod campaigns or even other similar games. Definitely trash compared to games outside R6 genres but its a little unfair
i had seen this one a few weeks or monthes ago, its insane how bad it is xd
i am playing gacha games like arknights and gfl2 and those games has better lore than most of the AAA released within last 10 years, but siege is just on another level of garbageness, the worst is that some ppl get paid to write this trash
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siege has lore?
Yes
yea