Yeah lots of good options here, much appreciated. Some of the discussion about the decks helps me realize *why* I like Zoo or Surfer or whatever despite knowing their shortcomings, and hopefully will help me evaluate decks for "enjoyableness" going forward.
Yessss give me that sweet sweet deck action, still mourning the soft death of Cassandra Move-A and this vid series was where I got the best decks, love your methodology 🙏🖤
great vid! i was expecting to see the Loki-Wiccan deck you were high on from the video a couple days ago on here. i’m interested to see if you think if it fell off since then? it looked a ton of fun, still deciding if Wiccan is worth the keys
I'm so glad I grinded as a new player this year. I have most of the new meta defining cards if not all of them. I was able to get Arishem, dark hawk, Loki, Cassandra, Thanos , Marvel boy, Kate bishop etc. I am now saving my keys to get Jeff and Iron Lad. I think I am at a plateau now because I am no longer getting new cards in the gold cache, just variants if a card shows up.
*Just saying, I did some deep diving over the last day on both those bounce decks since they were featured on snap judgements and your take is EXACTLY how playing them felt to me (because I was winning but it felt inconsistent..); pocket meta’s be damned, glad to see your takes match up so well to my experience 👌
I have a Wiccan Ms. Marvel cook that has been doing great for me. I beat Dr. Stink Fartson who was number 3 when I played him and Ilostson with it. I though Ms. Marvel was going to be hard to play with all the clog but there are ways to play around it. So far so good
Super curious who you’d replace in the Cassandra Hawk deck to get hope in there; I agree about hope, but super unclear who she’d replace (guessing you feel the same otherwise you’d have ultimately fit her in)
Ok so I opened Loki variant and Wiccan. I have a 50/50 shot at Pixie. Is Pixie a good enough card to warrant potentially 2 caches for her ? If she's a very strong, meta relevant card I don't mind but I'm not sure if she is or not ?
She’s a deck building card with good cube equity due to the facedown nature of her ramp ability. However, she’s hardly meta defining as there’s almost always a version of a deck without her where she’s been most featured, like in High Evo, Thors, Clog, Patriot etc.
Definitely not meta defining, but she's unique and will pop up in a top deck from time to time. She's worth a pickup if you have the resources, but I wouldn't feel bad if you miss out to save for upcoming cards.
Trying to make devil dino to work. I know, dont bother 😅 do you consider quinjet/collector/Coulson/fury/dino the core package? How would you make it work?
I am in disbelief that you didn't pull for that Blob spotlight. I thought that was your jam! Also, I tried that Loki WWBN list after people talking about it in the discord. Also had pretty mediocre results with it.
@@gorem8 Like I said to a lot of folks on his other video it's best to wait and see. I just saw his deck was similar to Arishem and then I was hooked and spoiler alert it and Arishem are my top two favorite decks
Everyone Is sleeping on traditional discard. No more Red Guardian running around, I've been rolling over people, it's like everyone's forgotten the T6 explosions.
That first deck is awful, i think i lost like 7 games in a row with it... I had wiccan with extra energy and alioth cost 1 and it just got ran over by zoo / any deck that can just play more points of power. Viper felt particularity awful. Deck is trying to do too much/be too cute. I think these decks are good but they are tuned for a high infinite metagame that 99% of people wont see. The metagame in the 90-100 bracket, and the mid 20k infinite is quite a bit different than what ive seen you play in high infinite.
everyone always says stuff like that, but the gap is the other way - in top 100, people are trying to win harder than they are in the other ranks. if a deck works up here, it's because it's more battle-tested, not less. while there are meta differences, i don't think this is a reasonable way to look at it. i went 20-15 with it, but i also had some loss streaks and some win streaks, it happens.
@@KMBestInASnap I just think the meta gets so inbred at the very top ranks that the meta becomes to next level the next level if that makes any sense, where farther down the ladder people are still 2 steps behind> The new video today is a perfect show case of this phenomenon, the arishem deck that isnt trying to next level
Every single deck is running at least 1 card I don't have. Because of how conservative I am with spending keys I have never been able to play the best Bounce list. I am happy I have already hit infinite this season but seeing this just as I am looking for ideas for deck building is demotivating as hell.
@@looplooplooplooploop Only mentioning cards I don't have. If I do not mention it I own the card. 1. Mobius isn't replaceable but I'll pretend that he is. Alioth isn't and Wiccan isn't. And Pixie isn't Sersi is and Kate Bishop is. 2. Ajax isn't replaceable and neither is Sage. With Sage being 3 cost card that easily scales to double digits for 0 reason and completely invalidates Wolfbane's existence. 3. MockingBird is not replaceable. Though ManThing is. Copycat is close to irreplaceable but I'll pretend that she is 100% repaceable for arguments sake. Especially since I don't own Nocturne. I already Mentioned that Alioth is not replaceable. 4. Thena is irreplaceable. But Gwenpool likely can be replaced. 5. MockingBird is irreplaceable but that doesn't matter since I don't own Sersi anyways and they are supposed to synergize. Kate Bishop is here to synergize with MockingBird and Copycat is Copycat. 6. Sage^Tm 7. Don't have Werewolf guess I don't have a 3 drop that scales that fast. Copycat^TM 8. No Squatch irreplaceable especially since no MockingBird. Kate Bishop^TM. Sage^TM. Wolf^TM. 9. Sage^TM No Nocturne though she is likely replaceable. Honestly I run this list but with Thor + Beta Ray + Jane but I never said that I couldn't take ideas from this video, just that it was demotivating. 10. Ohhhh boy Surfer lists. Hope Summers Irreplaceable, Shaw Irreplaceable, Gwenpool (In this context) irreplaceable. Copycat^TM, Nocturne^TM. 11. No Gilgamesh and in this list he is the Big 5 cost that you play on 6. No other card gets that big just for playing Zoo. Mockingbird in this context is sort of replaceable with Cull Obisdian but it feels Budget as hell. KateBishop^TM. I run Zoo sometimes I just run a few more 1 drops like echo and Nightcrawler. So no. None of the decks here run something that is "easily replaceable" I would in every context be playing a worse version of the list, without heavy modifications. I am willing to do this but I don't want a random 1 sentence comment discounting my feelings. Like, genuinely man.
Bro I watched every your yvideo like last 8 mouths. I don't comment more then 2 3 times, but I feel like that's a important time. I know u read all the comments that's the reason. So I am not even a casual player, I play every day when I woke up like 2h. And the major problem now is , I do 4 of your infinity decks in the last video, and I don't even have a chance to win like more then 5 6 with each. 3 days latter there is no clue of neither of those decks... even like 1of them... I understand it's funny for 100 people on the top for those aggressive ottas but ...What about the others??? Don't to even mention for missing card here...
I used pretty much the identical deck as this silver surfer deck to get to infinite just yesterday and it was pretty easy. Only difference in mine was I swapped out the nocturne for rogue but that's more a side grade if anything. With smart playing you can totally take it to infinite as I'm a pretty new player with low collection score.
There’s other marvel snap RUclipsrs who make things for newer players this guy talks about the metas so just look at a different channel. Also I am someone with 2500 collection level have been playing the game for 2 months and got to infinite in 3 days with my own decks so try that
I have a Wiccan Ms. Marvel cook that has been doing great for me. I beat Dr. Stink Fartson who was number 3 when I played him and Ilostson with it. I though Ms. Marvel was going to be hard to play with all the clog but there are ways to play around it. So far so good.
@expertb6348 Quicksilver Kate Bishop Zabu Psylocke Loki Nocturne Ironlad Ms. Marvel Shan Chi Wiccan Alioth Dr. Doom Quicksilver is a bad card but this deck is focus on Loki and ramp so you don't really want 1 cost cards, therefore, you just Quicksilver to alway have something to play on turn 1 for Wiccan purposes. Zabu is really important as you only have two 3 drops therefore a lot of the time your hand is asking for a 4 on turn 3, same goes for psylocke. Kate Bishop helps you have a 1 for a turn 3 2-drop 1-drop play to fit your curve Wiccan purposes. Turn two you have to evaluate your hand to make the correct play, do you have something to use 4 energy on trun 3 to justify paylocke? See previous sentence for Kate Bishop and Zabu is not bad since you still have 3 energy on turn 3 and can just play a 3 drop if you have not draw a 4 drop. On Snap condition of this deck is Wiccan on 3, Loki on 4. Rest of the game plane is activating Ms. Marvel and using your energy to the best outcome possible. Ms. Marvel gives you prio on turn 6 a lot of the time which allows you to make good use of Alioth. Ironlad is a good turn 3 or 4 play when you have not drawn Ms. Marvel, Wiccan, Doom, Loki or Alioth. Nocturne is great as it sometimes protects from Clog, and let's you add a second card to closed off locations for Ms. Marvel purposes.
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how you manage to always upload at the exact time I start to cook my launch, is like a ritual tradition already
What did you cook? 👀
@@justinwaller9665 Meat and rice today
Mhmmm I usually have rice with some hot sauce and some meatballs 😋 @@WildspeakerYT
I really appreciate these types of videos after a big shake up like this last OTA. I am casual and don't have enough time to cook up decks.
Yeah lots of good options here, much appreciated. Some of the discussion about the decks helps me realize *why* I like Zoo or Surfer or whatever despite knowing their shortcomings, and hopefully will help me evaluate decks for "enjoyableness" going forward.
Great job as always KM! Appreciate these videos, especially this one as I am really not sure what to play now.
23:45 whoa, did not expect that. I’d just be absolutely surprised if there wasn’t a good Thanos deck to be found
Yessss give me that sweet sweet deck action, still mourning the soft death of Cassandra Move-A and this vid series was where I got the best decks, love your methodology 🙏🖤
Best snap content creator back at it👌thank you KM. Appreciate you brotha
I'm having a lot of fun with this new loki the "nerf" made me play him way more than before 😂
I will give him this, he is super fun now
Enjoyed this even more 🎉
great vid! i was expecting to see the Loki-Wiccan deck you were high on from the video a couple days ago on here. i’m interested to see if you think if it fell off since then? it looked a ton of fun, still deciding if Wiccan is worth the keys
I'm so glad I grinded as a new player this year. I have most of the new meta defining cards if not all of them. I was able to get Arishem, dark hawk, Loki, Cassandra, Thanos , Marvel boy, Kate bishop etc. I am now saving my keys to get Jeff and Iron Lad. I think I am at a plateau now because I am no longer getting new cards in the gold cache, just variants if a card shows up.
*Just saying, I did some deep diving over the last day on both those bounce decks since they were featured on snap judgements and your take is EXACTLY how playing them felt to me (because I was winning but it felt inconsistent..); pocket meta’s be damned, glad to see your takes match up so well to my experience 👌
good stuff as always
Arishem at home is one of my favorite decks to play. I feel like it has a lot of skill expression
I have a Wiccan Ms. Marvel cook that has been doing great for me. I beat Dr. Stink Fartson who was number 3 when I played him and Ilostson with it. I though Ms. Marvel was going to be hard to play with all the clog but there are ways to play around it. So far so good
any ideas what to put in the Alioth slot in Wixie?
replacement for White Widow in Loki bounce?
Is Wiccan worth the spotlight keys now that is a great question
Super curious who you’d replace in the Cassandra Hawk deck to get hope in there; I agree about hope, but super unclear who she’d replace (guessing you feel the same otherwise you’d have ultimately fit her in)
Always amazing content and incredibly helpful. Any Wiccan alternatives for the first deck? :(
Ok so I opened Loki variant and Wiccan. I have a 50/50 shot at Pixie. Is Pixie a good enough card to warrant potentially 2 caches for her ? If she's a very strong, meta relevant card I don't mind but I'm not sure if she is or not ?
She’s a deck building card with good cube equity due to the facedown nature of her ramp ability. However, she’s hardly meta defining as there’s almost always a version of a deck without her where she’s been most featured, like in High Evo, Thors, Clog, Patriot etc.
Definitely not meta defining, but she's unique and will pop up in a top deck from time to time. She's worth a pickup if you have the resources, but I wouldn't feel bad if you miss out to save for upcoming cards.
Is the Wixie deck playable without Sersi? Or is she core to the pixie stuff?
What do you think about the Thanos destroy deck?
Trying to make devil dino to work. I know, dont bother 😅 do you consider quinjet/collector/Coulson/fury/dino the core package? How would you make it work?
Why no Wiccan in Ajax bounce and the other bounce variations?
i havent seen any good arguments for that inclusion yet
Hey KM, nice video as always. Replacement for Sersi in that first deck please?
would love to know as well
I'd imagine that's Annihilus
DOOOD! Friday.. before noon?!! 😍
Be honest, how likely is Loki getting nerfed (I’m totally not asking because I just got him from the spotlight caches or anything…)?
very, imo. card is messed up
I have 4000 at collection level, bought and completed several battle passes, and I'm still missing at least 2 cards from each deck
I lost to the loki bounce deck with my Thena bounce it is very good they didn't even have to play loki for it!
I am in disbelief that you didn't pull for that Blob spotlight. I thought that was your jam!
Also, I tried that Loki WWBN list after people talking about it in the discord. Also had pretty mediocre results with it.
He did pull for it
I am going to have to give Man Thing a try in arishem. He seems very intriguing
Edit: I thought I had him but I actually don't 😅
Pulling off Wong, Namora, Odin is so broken. I run this package in my Thor deck .
Where is Wiccan Loki? That looked so promising...
Trust me, it still slaps. I have had mostly huge success with the deck
@@smartpatrick8690 i still didn't open for Wiccan, i'm gathering courage
@@gorem8 Like I said to a lot of folks on his other video it's best to wait and see. I just saw his deck was similar to Arishem and then I was hooked and spoiler alert it and Arishem are my top two favorite decks
And bounce Wiccan, especially the Ajax list is insanely nutty with Wiccan.
still refining ngl
So i`m Cl 18k and still miss important cards in every shown deck..
sad that there's no thanos :( i miss my boy
Everyone Is sleeping on traditional discard. No more Red Guardian running around, I've been rolling over people, it's like everyone's forgotten the T6 explosions.
This video leaves me to think that copycat should probably be a 3-4
The fact she has an actual effect withiut having to be played is nuts so yeah
No on Thanos, but more importantly: How's Wiccan looking?
That first deck is awful, i think i lost like 7 games in a row with it... I had wiccan with extra energy and alioth cost 1 and it just got ran over by zoo / any deck that can just play more points of power. Viper felt particularity awful. Deck is trying to do too much/be too cute.
I think these decks are good but they are tuned for a high infinite metagame that 99% of people wont see. The metagame in the 90-100 bracket, and the mid 20k infinite is quite a bit different than what ive seen you play in high infinite.
everyone always says stuff like that, but the gap is the other way - in top 100, people are trying to win harder than they are in the other ranks. if a deck works up here, it's because it's more battle-tested, not less. while there are meta differences, i don't think this is a reasonable way to look at it. i went 20-15 with it, but i also had some loss streaks and some win streaks, it happens.
@@KMBestInASnap I just think the meta gets so inbred at the very top ranks that the meta becomes to next level the next level if that makes any sense, where farther down the ladder people are still 2 steps behind>
The new video today is a perfect show case of this phenomenon, the arishem deck that isnt trying to next level
No Thanos ? 😒
And of course I don't have half the cards
And where is thanos
In the barn
@@smartpatrick8690 guess need to do some milking
Watch the outro
Where
Every single deck is running at least 1 card I don't have.
Because of how conservative I am with spending keys I have never been able to play the best Bounce list.
I am happy I have already hit infinite this season but seeing this just as I am looking for ideas for deck building is demotivating as hell.
They're likely replacable
@@looplooplooplooploop Give me a minute so that I can spend way too much time either proving you right or wrong.
@@azulesmalls5514 Most of the time people are missing cards, they're replaceable.
@@looplooplooplooploop
Only mentioning cards I don't have. If I do not mention it I own the card.
1.
Mobius isn't replaceable but I'll pretend that he is.
Alioth isn't and Wiccan isn't. And Pixie isn't
Sersi is and Kate Bishop is.
2. Ajax isn't replaceable and neither is Sage. With Sage being 3 cost card that easily scales to double digits for 0 reason and completely invalidates Wolfbane's existence.
3. MockingBird is not replaceable. Though ManThing is. Copycat is close to irreplaceable but I'll pretend that she is 100% repaceable for arguments sake. Especially since I don't own Nocturne. I already Mentioned that Alioth is not replaceable.
4. Thena is irreplaceable. But Gwenpool likely can be replaced.
5. MockingBird is irreplaceable but that doesn't matter since I don't own Sersi anyways and they are supposed to synergize. Kate Bishop is here to synergize with MockingBird and Copycat is Copycat.
6. Sage^Tm
7. Don't have Werewolf guess I don't have a 3 drop that scales that fast. Copycat^TM
8. No Squatch irreplaceable especially since no MockingBird. Kate Bishop^TM. Sage^TM. Wolf^TM.
9. Sage^TM No Nocturne though she is likely replaceable. Honestly I run this list but with Thor + Beta Ray + Jane but I never said that I couldn't take ideas from this video, just that it was demotivating.
10. Ohhhh boy Surfer lists.
Hope Summers Irreplaceable, Shaw Irreplaceable, Gwenpool (In this context) irreplaceable. Copycat^TM, Nocturne^TM.
11. No Gilgamesh and in this list he is the Big 5 cost that you play on 6. No other card gets that big just for playing Zoo. Mockingbird in this context is sort of replaceable with Cull Obisdian but it feels Budget as hell. KateBishop^TM. I run Zoo sometimes I just run a few more 1 drops like echo and Nightcrawler.
So no. None of the decks here run something that is "easily replaceable" I would in every context be playing a worse version of the list, without heavy modifications.
I am willing to do this but I don't want a random 1 sentence comment discounting my feelings. Like, genuinely man.
@@azulesmalls5514 I didn't think you'd actually write all this 💀
First
That first deck is way too big brain for me to win with hahhahahhaa. 0/1 Let's try your next deck 😂
This meta is so boring
Bro I watched every your yvideo like last 8 mouths. I don't comment more then 2 3 times, but I feel like that's a important time. I know u read all the comments that's the reason. So I am not even a casual player, I play every day when I woke up like 2h. And the major problem now is , I do 4 of your infinity decks in the last video, and I don't even have a chance to win like more then 5 6 with each. 3 days latter there is no clue of neither of those decks... even like 1of them... I understand it's funny for 100 people on the top for those aggressive ottas but ...What about the others??? Don't to even mention for missing card here...
That’s a you problem buddy 😂
Skill issue
I used pretty much the identical deck as this silver surfer deck to get to infinite just yesterday and it was pretty easy. Only difference in mine was I swapped out the nocturne for rogue but that's more a side grade if anything. With smart playing you can totally take it to infinite as I'm a pretty new player with low collection score.
The Wiccan Loki deck is still good
There’s other marvel snap RUclipsrs who make things for newer players this guy talks about the metas so just look at a different channel. Also I am someone with 2500 collection level have been playing the game for 2 months and got to infinite in 3 days with my own decks so try that
I have a Wiccan Ms. Marvel cook that has been doing great for me. I beat Dr. Stink Fartson who was number 3 when I played him and Ilostson with it. I though Ms. Marvel was going to be hard to play with all the clog but there are ways to play around it. So far so good.
Can you share your deck please. I'm looking for reasons to actually get Wiccan.
@expertb6348
Quicksilver
Kate Bishop
Zabu
Psylocke
Loki
Nocturne
Ironlad
Ms. Marvel
Shan Chi
Wiccan
Alioth
Dr. Doom
Quicksilver is a bad card but this deck is focus on Loki and ramp so you don't really want 1 cost cards, therefore, you just Quicksilver to alway have something to play on turn 1 for Wiccan purposes. Zabu is really important as you only have two 3 drops therefore a lot of the time your hand is asking for a 4 on turn 3, same goes for psylocke. Kate Bishop helps you have a 1 for a turn 3 2-drop 1-drop play to fit your curve Wiccan purposes. Turn two you have to evaluate your hand to make the correct play, do you have something to use 4 energy on trun 3 to justify paylocke? See previous sentence for Kate Bishop and Zabu is not bad since you still have 3 energy on turn 3 and can just play a 3 drop if you have not draw a 4 drop. On Snap condition of this deck is Wiccan on 3, Loki on 4. Rest of the game plane is activating Ms. Marvel and using your energy to the best outcome possible. Ms. Marvel gives you prio on turn 6 a lot of the time which allows you to make good use of Alioth. Ironlad is a good turn 3 or 4 play when you have not drawn Ms. Marvel, Wiccan, Doom, Loki or Alioth. Nocturne is great as it sometimes protects from Clog, and let's you add a second card to closed off locations for Ms. Marvel purposes.