It's not like the U.S has a shortage of them. We built about 13,000. After the SALT treaties, we had to start disassembling most of them. (We cheated a bit by transferring a lot of them to the U.K. for use on their ballistic missile submarines, that's an amazing story in itself, caused some funny maintenance problems of the boats, the aft section was British built metric, the missile section was American made english measurements, then the front of the boat was British metric again, just imagine all the fun with plumbing, ducting, hatches, gauges, nuts, and bolts :) ). They also have to be re-manufactured about once every 20 years or so to maintain effectiveness. So the U.S. coming up with 100 to 200 for use by SGC is not a big stretch, especially once the Russians knew about the gate and we could account for the "disappearing" nukes.
@@waynecampeau4566 Interesting thought about the Russians. I think while humanity knows that nukes would mean total destruction on our world, we ever face an interplanetary threat, I agree, I think some nukes being used to fight that, and the international community being okay with it, makes 100% sense.
Weir (ironically) was the most competent military thinker in that episode -she rightfully pointed out how disastrous an ineffectual first/preemptive strike could be.
First strikes need to decisively damage your enemy or prevent decisive damage against you...ideally both. It needs a clear achievable goal. The replicators were effectively immortal and I doubt they lost anything irreplaceable in that attack. Thus the only thing to gain for Earth was time but to do so they had to risk provoking retaliatory attacks. The problem is how much time would they buy for themselves and would it be enough to finish the PWARW? One of the characteristic abilities of replicators is incredibility fast construction. What if rather than building their forces to a level they believed they needed to win strategically -they attacked with just enough ships/weapons for a 'tactical' win? We know they directed their attack at Atlantis (an irreplaceable asset) but what if they decided that they wanted to reduce the chance of their shipyards getting attacked again and targeted Earth with a punitive strike instead. Earth isn't even better defended than Atlantis and what the replicators might consider a small or distracting attack could have ended us. I mean how would Earth have stopped something as simple as a ZPM powered missile that would hits just after coming out of hyperspace? or if they messed with the Sun? The cherry on top would be that they lost the element of surprise that they would probably have need to use the PWARW. Actually I have no idea why the replicators couldn't just attack Earth through a modded stargate -they have ZPMs and presumably all the knowledge the lanteans had on stargates.
KR P it's difficult to say if that was the right call or not because those ships were being built to invade either atlantis or earth they would have had to fight those ships sooner or later.
Think the reason is they didnt want to annoy the real ancients.. they already know they ascended, so pissing off the actual race that ascended (what they were trying to achieve in Pegasus galaxy was going to be a bad idea. They possibly couldnt have any idea where Earth is (Ancients proly hid that and we know of our relation to the other universe because of the thing they found in Milky Way) Or just didnt consider it a threat and wanted to get rid of Atlantis as it hurt they forces in an angry response. Always bothered me tho..why they didnt make an alliance vs the wraith ? Give access to Atlantis, they get all data, leave a copy of theirs to help humans make effective weapons like the system killing energy thing and then just leave for a planet noone would care about and make cities there ?
@@StalkeraBg well these were certainly not the ancients they had darker intentions and not to mention they hated humans the very defendants of the ancients
I don't think Weir was any sort of military genius; Shepherd and Teyla were both FAR superior to her in tactics and strategy. Weir was objecting to the preemptive strike because she's a student of history - and she knew first strikes rarely did what they were intended to do. She decided what she did, because it was the best of a choice of bad options; you don't need to be military to understand that.
I love the uncut shot from launch to impact. That one shot is incredibly impressive as far as solid render time and scope. Normally in both film and TV a CG shot like that would have cuts or changes in angles that are literally switches from one camera to another but this is a single take render with the camera moving through the space around the nuke. It is to this day one of the most impressive CG animation shots made for a TV show ever. Normally a cut shot is somewhere in the length of 5-7 seconds before a new shot is introduced usually from a different angle. The only company that can do a shot like this usually is Disney or rather Lucasfilm and Industrial Light and Magic because they have the computer power for real time realistic renders where companies like those who work on productions like this show are limited both in budget and time. So for this shot to exist on a tv show is a testament to the outstanding work and creativity of the VFX team that did it. Amazing!
@@Outworlder You don't need the smoke to do that. Think about the last 3D game you played … all the stuff in the level, you think we display that on screen? Some 25 years ago, we cheated since most of those games were always indoors, even if it didn't look like it. "Cave crawlers". Fixed geometry in games back then (games like Tomb Raider 1/2, Quake 1/2/3, etc.) was divided into tree structures. Two ways we did it: BSP engines and portal engines. They'd tell us what to draw based on where you (player) were and whether there was even a possibility that you (a viewport floating in camera space) could possibly see something or not. But even back then, that was done to make sure the computer could keep up with rendering the game real-time at a high framerate. ("High" for the day, mind you…) A lot of that "culling" was about making sure we were limiting how many things we were trying to process at once. Once you handed those off the the 3D renderer, it had very efficient algorithms for throwing away geometry that was not going to be visible. Obviously, someone's gotta write the algorithms to do that, and a few short years before the games I've mentioned (and in the ones I mentioned that could be played without 3D video cards) we had to have all those sorting and culling algorithms in our games in multiple places to throw out more and more objects and geometry you just couldn't see on screen. All that to say, the moment the ship was not visible in that VFX shot (which indeed was and is VERY IMPRESSIVE for TV), it was not even being considered by the renderer. As far as the draw code was concerned, just about as soon as it was off-screen, it "ceased to exist". I still wonder how many weeks (months?) it took them to render that shot on a TV budget.
@@bigben8502 So the author of the post and wrote that this is graphics ... Only very long graphics with rendering, which only large film companies can afford, even in our time, and here the series is more than 10 years old and not with a big budget
@@callumunga5253 Still leaves them with a 38 minutes window. Depending on whether or not the Asurans are able to tell when Atlantis' Stargate will lose it's connection or not it might be possible for Atlantis to permanently lock out the satellite's Stargate. All they will have to do is redial their gate sometime during the 38 minutes. If however the Asurans are able to redial their satellite's Stargate before Atlantis is able to renew their connection Atlantis will still have up to 38 minutes. The satellite has an internal power source, but its primary power source is the energy beam from Asura. This means that Apollo might be able to do some serious damage to the satellite or maybe outright destroy it.
@@brianransom16 yes my thought too, flunk it into hypespace, even just for seconds it would end who knows where or best case at the planets core or its sun... Even if it has hyperdrive, it would loose its connection and Atlantis coult dial out.
There are two problems with this. First you don't know the adress. And second even if you do the gate still orbits Atlantis. You can't dial something that is basically next door
At the time this episode first aired, I remember thinking how stupid they were to bomb the Replicator planet. It was basically a society of Ancients, the most advanced species in the universe. Not one you want pissed at you. Frankly, the humans were lucky they didn't send 100,000 drones through the satellite gate instead. Those things would have shredded Atlantis' shields in no time.
Shredded the shields? The drones would have gone THRU the shields. The Lanteans designed their shields to allow their tech thru (so they could move ships without lowering shields and fire drones without the shield destroying them).
David Kelly i think they had somekind of switch for that, after all during the war the wraith captured lantean technology and there was no failsafe exept the dna scanners from stoping the wraith to use lantean tech. I guess they would have a easy way of making the shield impassabke gor everything in seconds. The tauri just havent figured out how yet
Drones wouldn't do much anyways. The only weakness the Atlantis shield has is it's power source, as long as you can pump energy into it it stays active. A sustained beam weapon will put more strain on the shield then thousands of drone impacts would. Putting this into context, the original ZPM they brought from earth was already somewhat depleted, and the wraith bombardment would have taken days to deplete. The fresh ZPM the replicators brought when they tried to seize Atlantis would have been depleted in 29 hours. Plus without the beam the replicator gate's shield would have been weak and they could just destroy the gate and without a signal the drones would become inert and only be added to Atlantis' arsenal.
The Ancients weren't the most advanced in the universe, that was the Asgard. The Ancients evolved over hundreds of millions of years where the Asgard did it in 100,000. The Asgard ships, shields, and weapons were far superior to anything the ancients had.
Гипердвигатели асгарда более совершенные, нежели у лантийцев. Щиты последних модификаций выдерживали десятки попаданий лучевых орудий Орай. Так что в плане вооружений Асгарды превзошли Лантийцев. Щиты Лантийцев более мощные из-за модулятора нулевой точки, но я уверен, если в корабль с щитами асгардов подсоединить этот модулятор, то эти щиты будут невероятно продвинутые.
Colonel Ellis did have the consideration of time (Unlike basically any other fictitious character ever). Assuming the animation we're shown is time accurate to a certain degree, they would have only had maybe 45 seconds to intercept. Given the ships were being built out in the open far from any noteworthy structure, not to mention the Asurans at the time deemed their surface perfectly safe, it would be rather difficult to get to the chair and actually get drones all the way over there before the Horizon hit, to say nothing of the decoys in the package. Truly, my question is why not beam the warheads in and remove the small chance they all are intercepted.
The replicators don't need control chairs. They are machines and their defences are controlled directly by them. Also keep in mind the Asurans are cocky little Alteran simulators, they probably didn't think Earth even knew about the ship yards, or probably didn't care. The replicators are a VERY patient race.
The Asuran satellite weapon was both a very ingenious weapon and one of the most devastating ever seen, plus by firing a sustained beam it took advantage of the weakness in most SG shields to the focused piercing impact of a beam as opposed to the relatively blunt and concussive impact of bolts. Atlantis only survived because Ancient shields are incredibly advanced and strong, had that beam stayed focused on the Apollo it would have certainly destroyed her in short order.
Ingenious to the point of if someone had dialed out of Atlantis' gate or this one using a remote DHD before the replicators dialed in, the whole plan would have not worked.
Yea that would have been amazing, especially now that they have all the asgard technology they could easily create them if they had the ancient designs.
2:09 Such a cool weapon. Also, did anyone notice the gate has only EIGHT chevrons? Makes me think that the replicators actually built that gate themselves, sense they'd have no use for the Destiny address.
Well, a lot of gates (most of them spacegates) only had eight chevrons. Of course, there are many fan theories why, but it is believed, that this has been just an SFX error and has nothing to do with the story
Stargate Universe probably wasn't fleshed out in pre-production yet when the first spacegate was introduced in Stargate Atlantis, so I doubt they would have known enough to put an easter egg in regarding the number of chevrons. More likely that it was an error on the part of the person who created the 3d asset for the show. It just so happens to have a good in-universe continuity-based explanation.
The part I don't understand is how the Ausurans, who had all the technology of the ancients as well as superfast minds, could neither detect Apollo nor intercept the ship or bomb.
At the very least they should have seen the Apollo from a long way away. We know the Asurans have the same technology as Atlantis and they can detect enemy ships in hyperspace from light years away.
The long range sensors have never been able to pick up Asgard drive signatures (Atlantis also didn't pick up on the Vanir untill they were right on top of them, wherever Asgard drives mask themselves actively or the sensors are just simply not calibrated to search for them I don't know). As for the slow reaction speed we see something similar during the battle of asuras where the alliance was able to take out multiple aurora classes before the asurans raised shields or even fired back. Personally I think this stems from their human personality leading to indecisiveness and a sort of shellshock. After all the idea that somebody would even attack them is absolutely ludicrous and they also don't have to fear death that much as long as enough of them stay alive they can just transfer their consciousness into a new group of nanites so they probably also saw no reason to act hasty at all
The long range sensors have never been able to pick up Asgard drive signatures (Atlantis also didn't pick up on the Vanir untill they were right on top of them, wherever Asgard drives mask themselves actively or the sensors are just simply not calibrated to search for them I don't know). As for the slow reaction speed we see something similar during the battle of asuras where the alliance was able to take out multiple aurora classes before the asurans raised shields or even fired back. Personally I think this stems from their human personality leading to indecisiveness and a sort of shellshock. After all the idea that somebody would even attack them is absolutely ludicrous and they also don't have to fear death that much as long as enough of them stay alive they can just transfer their consciousness into a new group of nanites so they probably also saw no reason to act hasty at all
For those wondering. The Laser was simultaneously projecting a weapon and powering both the gate and it's shield. The beam had a near limitless supply of energy as it was being powered by ZPM's aswell. This is why they had to move Atlantis because they couldn't destroy the beam gate because they didn't have the firepower to penetrate it's shield.
If you will ever try to attack an enemy, make sure: 1. no one detects your presence at their planet, 2. also make sure there will be nothing left for them to find out who did that, 3. if you can´t for some reason do it, then don´t. And if they still send you a "gift", don´t just look at it like "what is that?", but destroy it immediately, or activate the gate, so they can´t use it.
??? The mission was a complete success? They weren't worried about Atlantis. The guys who authorized this worried about that fleet coming to earth. No fleet ever got to earth --> total success of mission parameters.
For those of you who don't know, the backstory to this is: The Replicators were building ships (possibly to invade Atlantis). This obviously was a threat, and thus the nuclear attack on the Replicators.
I think I know which SG1 episode you're referring to. Do keep in mind that even though that satellite weapon was designed by the Ori, it still had to be build by the people of a world that was about as technologically advanced as mid-20th century Earth.
@@RudyBleeker and it's also important to keep in mind that the Ori were the religious fanatics part of Ancient society. They were nowhere near the technological level of their Ancient brethren. The only reason the Lanteans had to flee their home galaxy was because they were simply heavily outnumbered despite their technological advantage.
Also they probably gave them a weapon that is like very powerful but not *too powerful* in case they have a change of heart for example...aaand that they were built using limited technology.
@@Salted_Fysh "and it's also important to keep in mind that the Ori were the religious fanatics part of Ancient society." You pulled that out of your ass. The only difference between the Ori and the other Ancients was that the Ori didn't share the no-interference philosophy. They were the same people with the same technology and knowledge.
@@Kalenz1234 that is incorrect. The split between Ori and Ancients happened pre-Ascension. With a rising level of religious fanaticism, the Ori eventually tried to wipe out the science-focused Ancients. Because the Ancients did not believe in war, they left their home galaxy and settled in the Milky Way. Later on the Ori then released a plague in the Milky Way that lead to most Ancients being wiped out and the rest either ascending or fleeing for Pegasus in Atlantis where they ultimately met their end. The ascended ancients were strong enough to shield the Milky Way from the Ori though despite the Ori drawing a lot of power from their believers (implying the Ancients were more powerful) so that the Ori had to exploit the non-interference policy by way of the Orici to try and gain even more power/a way to destroy the Ancients. And yes, post-ascension non-interference is definitely the factor differentiating Ori and Ancients. But prior to that the split is simply between a pacifist science-focused faction and a fanatically religious faction. It goes without saying that the science focused faction is going to make better advancements in technology.
One of the most terrifying weapons I've ever seen. Probably the worst part is that you could mass-produce the satellites, thus having a super-weapon that can hit multiple planets. Your only limitation is how many super lasers you have built and how many Stargates you have. All you need is at least one Stargate for each laser and each satellite. You need at least two to get it working. Not a problem for replicators.
You only need one laser and source gate. Remember it IS possible to have one gate dial multiple to all gates in a network. Not only that but energy based weapons can fire perfectly fine through a multi-dialed gate, it's how the replicators in the Milky Way were defeated.
Good god! I never even considered combining this beam weapon with the multi-gate dial. That's terrifying! Obviously you wouldn't be able to aim for shit, but if each gate is even remotely close to anything important then it's just dead. Imagine this thing coming through the sgc gate. Remember people; always point your stargates away from any critical operation centres/populated areas. And of course, in the meantime, the gates are entirely out of commission until the beams stops, which might be never, so long as the energy can be maintained. Lot of energy though.
When you multidial the gates the matter get's shared isn't it? So basicly the same beam would be a tiny flashlight in this case. However seen as how much ZPM they had, I'm pretty sure they could've pulled it off.
While that might be true, the energy wave the Dakara weapon uses was sent to EVERY stargate in the milkyway and still had enough energy to clear the surface of every planet it was sent too. Now that is a pulse weapon, this one is sustained. Enjoy your nightmare fuel.
Not sure where your logic is going there...the Dakara weapon is a short pulse (did they say anything about how long the weapon needed to build up power before firing?) on a narrow band (only affects Replicators, not anything else...and it's possible it was a backdoor shutdown signal rather than an actual 'weapon' as such, given how they were able to defeat it later), rather like a camera flash. A sustained beam is a different thing. No more nightmare fuel here than there already is....and the humans never did think about hyperspace-capable missles--no need to deliver the Horizon if it can deliver itself.. :-)
One problem I had with the Horizon was that given the insane yields it delivers, and the distinct possibility of encountering heavy shields, why even bother with decoys. Go max yield.
It really isn't.. It is widely known as humanity's most feared weapon.. This is a series about intergalactic warfare, what weapons would be more appropriate?
Is it just me or did the various _Stargate_ series each express an anti-robot/android/AI sentiment? With the exception of Daniel Jackson, I can't remember *anyone* pushing back against the "It's just a machine." argument.
What about the android clones Harlan made of SG-1? The reaction got beyond "It's just a machine" in "Double Jeopordy" if not the first encounter in "Tin Man".
Someone remind me-- I know the Asuran (the Replicators under another name) Stargate weapon could fire continuously (the power of the beam passing through the Stargate being utilized to power the gate itself so it didn't shut off after being on for only so long, thus cutting the beam from its origin point-- which I believe was Asuras itself). Was that also why the Apollo couldn't manage to destroy it, because its shielding ALSO drew power from said beam, enough power that its shield was impenetrable to normal weapons? (I DO remember that the only way for Atlantis to survive the weapon's attack was to pick up sticks and get the hell away from it where it couldn't follow.)
there are a select few things that can prevent the gates from shutting down after the 38 minute interval black holes, and dumping a CRAP ton of energy through the gate being two ways to bypass the gates time limit this satellite weapon happens to, most likely by design, dump enough energy into the gate to prevent it from shutting down. all the Asurans had to do was keep the weapon powered on their end and the gate, and by extension the satellite, would remain fully operational
I always wondered why they didn't quick grab a couple of other space gates and set up a "Portal" type situation where they put an open gate in front of it that connected to another gate aimed AT it. Basically reroute the beam on to itself.
That would be impossible since the gates would be in such close proximity they would share the same address and therefore wouldnt be able to dial in or out. When Atlantis got attacked by the Asuran Satelite Weapon, they couldnt dial out because the Satelite's gate was already open and too close to Atlantis' gate.
"Hey, the ancients with much more firepower than we had couldn't exterminate the Asurans, so we'll surely be able to do the job with a bunch of gussied up nuclear bombs! We are SMRT!"
It is one of the smallest ships in the whole series. I think it's safe to say that it's acutually the smallest capital ship used in Stargate series. Prometheus was even smaller though.
Neko_ValentinE_Butterfly ha'taks are (by a little margin) larger than the BC-304, the capital ships of the blue aliens from SGU are smaller than the Daedalus (the Ursini ships are likely the same size of the Daedalus), the BC-304 is the most effective capital ship of the whole series, at all
Yeah it's tiny compared to mostly everything.. but still it's a human warship! We finally have warships. Yay. Also, when an Asgard ship came I couldn't found the human warship it's so tiny..
How large can you build when you are avoiding the suspicion from Russia, China and EU at the same time? Besides, even with cooperation between all the superpowers on Earth, the size of Daedelus would still be more or less the limit of what they can afford. If building aircraft carriers requires trillions of dollars, what more can we say about building a starship.
This kinda reminds me of when the Japanese Empire attacked Pearl Harbor shipyards in an attempt to neutralize the enemy fleet, but then the US retaliated back hard. The replicators have all the knowledge of the Ancients(except for maybe some key things) meaning that they know some pretty scary stuff. The only thing the HORIZON did was piss them off.
That is a great analogy, only one flaw though, that pearl harbour bombing was planned for that day because the entire American fleet was meant to be docked... Only reason it wasnt was because a hurricane blew in and delayed most of the fleet...what I'm saying is the thinking behind this scene is 'take out the whole fleet and they can't do anything'
The idea of the stargate as a remote weapon platform like this was brilliant. Simultaneously simplify your own supply line/logistics and deny a planetary stargate to your enemy. Would work even if you didn't have a crazy beam weapon, you can throw missiles through it too.
We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor, our undying Lord, and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus upon the Imperial world of Asuras. I hereby sign the death warrant of an world and consign a million souls to oblivion. May Imperial Justice account in all balance. The Emperor Protects.
I think this is where Atlantis stopped being truly "great" and became "decent to good". I loved Weir's passion, I don't understand why people who give the show a chance wouldn't like her, and I just don't think the show had real direction from the beginning of season 4, particularly season 5. Technology evolved, which was brilliant, but it just turned into Todd and Michael turning up with nefarious plots to be thwarted.
One thing I do not understand. In the SG1 episode Chain Reaction an enhanced Naquadah bomb was tested and turned an entire planet into a ball of superheated plasma. So, this Horizon Bomb seems rather... Weak in comparison. For a threat like the Replicators wouldn't you want to turn their planet into a ball of plasma to make sure they do not spread? I mean, given what it took to kill the block versions after all.
Naquadah being present in the planet in question was key there. It was an old formerly occupied Goa'uld world, so there would have been loads of naquadah there. Little to none of the element on the Asuran world, they would have been after stuff like Neutronium, if I recall from SG-1 episodes.
@The high ground I am not sure what version of stargate Atlantis you are referring too. If you are referring to an illegal version on RUclips or such they do that so they can get past the robots that detect that stuff. Also DVD's and Blurays are obsolete. They will eventually stop making them and supporting them.
They were just lucky the Replicators didn't pull a "Carter". What would have happened to that planet if they dropped a gate into a sun like Carter did and had the stellar mater come out on or even near the Atlantic planet? At the very LEAST it would become uninhabitable within a few minutes, more likely completely destroyed, especial if they used a dwarf star as the source. They could also do the same trick with one orbiting near a black hole.
I always wondered if they placed four Naquadria enhanced nukes right next to the shield of that weapon in the North-South-East-West positions and detonated them at the same time... would that resulting force at the center be enough to destroy the gate satellite!
The profile of the nose of the Horizon is wrong. You want a blunt body for atmospheric entry to keep the bow shock separated from the body as far as possible. Otherwise too much heat gets through too fast.
I liked this story line but I always wondered when Earth was gonna realize that missiles don't work on shields and they should make them the secondary weapons in favour of more advanced ones I remember watching them use them time and again and thinking they didn't work last time why do you think that will have changed?
They finally did that when the Asgard gave them all their tech including new beam weapons. After that, the rest of weapons like the rail guns and missiles became secondary weaponry and Earth/Tau'ri became a galactic superpower.
this was the mark nine, a gatebuster im pretty sure it would destroy every ship in the stargate universe, but its energy cant be focused on the shield, it would get distracted
I always wondered why they didn't try hitting the satellite with drones. Besides the obvious reasons of plot contrivance I don't remember it being mentioned in show why they couldn't/ wouldn't use the drones to take out the satellite and it's shield.
It would have diverted power from Atlantis shield and considering the ungodly amount of power dumped into such a small shield it wouldn't have done anything anyway
@@victorselve8349 I always wondered wjhether the upgraded Odyssey and Deadulus with the Asgard weaponry would have had the firepower to take out the satellite.
@@ianhirst1148 I doubt it, sure Asgard beams have proven brutally effective against ancient shields easily making up for massive descrapancies in provided power between the beam weapons and the ZPM powered ancient ships but the satellite has probably dozens of ZPMs behind it. The only ship I could possibly see accomplish this is a Super hive given that one of those was able to burn out emitters on the city shield.
Why didn't the replicators have any long range sensors, orbital defenses, aerial defenses or shields over their super important ship building facilities?
Detecting ships in hyperspace is not easily done and I'm pretty sure they had drones and shields it's just that 60 s is not much time to locate a ships as small as a 304 and find and track an even smaller rocket, I would also assume that they just didn't except an attack since they had no idea that the Tauri possessed such powerful weapons and the Wraith would not risk angering them. (And I mean sure they aren't technically ancients, but they still carry some of their overconfidence with them)
@@victorselve8349 Atlantis had no problem detecting Wraith ships approaching in hyperspace from many light years distance. And since the replicator homeworld had one more more Atlantis class city ships they too had the capability.
@@asvarien but Atlantis also didn't detect the Vanir ship until it had left hyperspace right next to Atlantis and since both the 304 and the Vanir ships use Asgard hyperdrives (although the 304s is probably more advanced since the Vanir put almost all of their effort into fixing the degeneration issue while the main Asgard continued to improve their technology to fight the replicators) I would guess that the 304 is similarly difficult to detect in hyperspace (I would also imagine that the ancients sensors may be tuned to be good at picking up Wraith hyperdrive signatures by default and that it is possible to get the sensors to track Asgard hyperdrives with some modifications) Still they probably could have responded quicker if they had been expecting an attack and actively searched for hostile ships.
Honestly the Asurans are pretty justified in most of the stuff they did. Between the Ancients trying to wipe them from existence when asked to remove the uncontrollable rage from their programming, an extremely reasonable request if you ask me, and pretty much every other fraction they meet being either hostile to them, or trying to exploit them for their own gains I can absolutely understand why they aren't to friendly with most of the galaxies population. They are one of the more tragic villains of Stargate to be sure
Here’s a question: how did they dial in? The Asurans should have connected to the Atlantis gate (seeing as it was still the original Atlantis planet and the gate would supersede another which came nearby), and since it’s an eight-chevron space gate and not a nine-chevron land gate: it doesn’t have a serial address to dial that gate specifically regardless of position like destiny had.
Actually a similar technique was used for midway station the gate priority is software based programing can be used to overwrite the standard OS of the gate and the replicators are skilled programmers.
@MayHemm007 Except The Tau'ri were the ones that activated the command to begin the assault on the Wraith a couple episodes before this one. They're literally one the ones that told the replicators to begin a fullscale war with the wraith. Then they blew up the replicator ships they built while following the exact commands the Tau'ri gave them.
yeah, the asurans weren't without blame for attacking atlantis and then killing all the lanteans from that ship. but still, how they were manipulated by the ancients, then nuked by the tauri, then manipulated by the tauri, then manipulated by the wraith and then finally wiped out completely, i just feel a bit bad for them.
the volume on most of these SG Atlantis clips is extremely low, barely audible even at top volume. When I change to some other clip if I forget to turn it down,, I am blasted!
Not sure if anyone has already brought this up, but there was no safe way to have destroyed the Asuran satellite-Stargate. A Stargate is made out of naquadah and would have caused a massive explosion had it been destroyed. I guess it was for plot device, but the Atlantis expedition should have tried to find a way to reuse the beam as energy to power the shields.
It was in obrbit, it was far enough away for that not to matter. The problem is that it's actually very hard to make a gate explode, when trying to do so they specific higher yield 'gate busters' which they probably didn't have lying around. Normally firing more nukes is more efficient than using bigger nukes.
Well the Gate was in Orbit and it´s Explosion wouldn´t have destroyed Atlantis. Differend Story for the beam. So it is a smaller risk to try and Blow up the gate.
When I seen that it had a Stargate in it, my first thought was dialing and keeping the Stargate open forcefully for as long as possible, because if that gate dials, whatever comes out of it's going to be bad. Also if a Stargate explodes in a bad way, it can take the whole planet with it. For example when Anubis was sending a power beam through it, which directly fed the Stargate with energy so it wouldn't shut down. This damn satellite is using every cannon source to be a nightmare. If it comes active you can't shot it down because the shield is feeding on the Stargate/Beam, but if you bypass the shield and destroy the gate it destroys everything in a very big radius. The best would've been to fire at it and not let it dial. But than again, we wouln't have seen what it's capable of.
+DracaNova The entire planet was an Ancient civilization...they would have long-range sensors everywhere. Atlantis has long-range sensors and it's a (mostly) stationary city.
@@Theomite Atlantis also didn't detect the Vanir ship and both use Asgard hyperdrives so maybe they don't work on Asgard hyperdrives or are just not tuned to them seeing as they tend to be quite rare in Pegasus
@@victorselve8349 Now that's a plot hole patch I can get behind provided they mentioned that in the show. The problem is that the long-range sensors can detect Wraith hyperdrives so this would be a convenient solution. Too convenient.
And then it just calmly rotates inside it's shield and torches you inside the ship you're trying to push with. Afterwards it immediately returns to attacking the planet.
PatrioticAnarchist93: Shield Technology blocks the effects of a nuclear weapon, except in the early episodes of the old Star Trek...but everyone still survived. But remember, that there is no known shield technology that does anything remotely to what we see in scifi stories, nor are beam energy weapons really practical.
The most practical weapons will always be projectile based.. The most effect way to damage something is to smash something into it really hard and fast. This is essentially what all our of weapons do.
Was this before or after they learned the origin of the Replicators? If after, how did they honestly think this would work when the Ancients failed with the same tactic?
The Alterans got beaten by the Wraith and the Asurans aren't really capable of innovating. They were just really bad a war, which is kind of an endearing trait when you think about it.
Except for the fact that, after they got re-programmed to actually go and fight wraith like they were supposed to, they seem to do pretty well. Until the wraith figure out how to turn off their attack command at least. And yeah, they probably did have sensors and drones to shoot down the horizon, but they either, a)didn't think it was THAT much of a threat, or were a bit too slow. And the horizon does fire off decoys simultaneously to help more of the missiles get through. I'm personally more surprised the asurans didn't have shields installed on any of those shipyards. I guess they just weren't expecting such a sudden attack?
Always wondered the Daedelus didn't just ram and give it a little uncontrolled deorbit onto the surface, safely hundreds of miles away from Atlantis. Hard to shoot that beam when you've got no atmospheric manoeuvring capability.
Honestly, all they really needed to do was simply get a really big asteroid and accelerate it to 50% the speed of light and crash into that satellite. Even if the shields allow it to survive, the sheer impact would knock it entirely out of orbit rendering it more or less useless. And if the satellite can fly back, Atlantis could just move away in the time it takes to get back.
I think your _simply_ in simply accelerating a large astroid to ½ c is somewhat misplaced... Also most shields in Stargate can absorb kinetic energy very well and the astroid would probably just break apart upon hitting the satellite not transferring most of it's kinetic energy
I think they maybe wanted to test the delivery system as a whole since a horizon could also be used in situations were beaming is not available or won't work (for example wraith). I could also imagine that they were not sure if the Asurans had countermeasures. But in all we have seen them beam mark 9s before and they can also beam to multiple targets and in rapid succession so they should also be able to do it this way
@@victorselve8349 at first, millitary designers are used to the habit of preferring methods that worked before. Second, the secret nature of the Stargate program means, those designers did not know more than they need to know. I think only a few ppl like Sam Carter or Rodney McCay had "unlimited" access to everything. This means, the horizon device was maybe in big parts designed by teams that dont even know a thing like a Stargate exist.
@@aracuron9956 yes to the first statement but the second is pretty much irrelevant. Even if the system was co-designed by non sg resources (which I would say is likely for the rockets although heat shielding and at least partial propulsion are definitely not pure non sg tech given how quockly the rockets reached their goals, the warheads themselves are designed and manufactured in house by Carters Team, that much we know) they would not need any special design features for warhead delivery via Asgard beaming. They would at most have to remove the single missiles from the carrier rocket. And as far as the planning for the mission is concerned all people involved were very much aware of the tactical abilities of Asgard beaming so I doubt that they didn't do so just because it's new or because they didn't know about it.
Their only chance to have destroyed it would have been to have fired on it before the gate activated and powered up the shield. Assuming the shield wasn’t powered by an a power source on the platform itself.
Seeing as it had a hyperdrive, which requires at least a naquadria reactor, or more likely given the fact that they are Asurans, a ZPM, such a small shield would handle anything they can throw at it.
Atlantis? Why do u think it isnt great? And how is the storytelling not right? I found it a really enjoyable show with a great cast and awesome lore around it. Specially Rodney was awesome, i loved to hate his arrogance at the beginning and loved to see him grow later into a less arrogant but still stuborn person. Insanly entertaining
100black towers he was garbage. One of the worst thing in the show. On sg1, the nerd Daniel was not only right on most things, he wasn’t annoying and even though he was right most times, the episodes didn’t revolve around him like Atlantis does for extremely annoying Mackey.
@@rayleigh8 Well i see ur point but Rodney was not a Nerd Character like Daniel. Where Daniel is this soft guy the needs to prove himself and later becomes casually one of the most powerful beings in existence, Rodney is a self inserted asshole who KNOWS how inteligent and specially how much MORE inteligent he is than others and he isnt above it to rub it into others faces. U can either hate him for that or u can enjoy his sarcastic behaviour and later far more enjoy to see him crash and burn when he fails. Daniels journey was to find selfconfidence and trust, were Rodneys Journey was to find humility and asking for help. Sure one can argue that he didnt really reached the goal of this journey as he, despite all the development he had, still can be a dick, but i for myself enjoy basicly every minute of him being on screen. If he tells others how stupid they are or for once get told off on his own stuborn behaviour its a feast for the eyes.
100black towers Daniel soft that needs to prove himself?. When I say nerd Daniel, I mean mostly in academic jargon at first but was never really soft. In the first season he not only saved earth by being right as usual but protected SG1 in the firefight on the ships and basically got killed only to comeback alive, another usual for him. Daniel when from being right all the time to a warrior in handling weapons and fighting and still being right all the time. Daniel was never a liability and certainly not annoying, McKay was both. Daniel did use to annoy Jack in the beginning( not the fans) because Jack always wanted to follow orders while Daniel wanted to see all the angles of the situation and Daniel would usually turned out to be right like that episode of the nazi aliens where jack just wanted the technology while Daniel wanted to know what these people were about. McKay was an annoyance to everyone but he wasn’t the main reason the show sucked, it was the stories that never went anywhere and weren’t awe inspiring like in SG1.
@@rayleigh8 First: Daniel was a soft person between all those soldiers. I dont mean that in a bad way at all. Daniel was the single best character in SG-1 only on par with Jack and Bra'tac the absolut mad lads. Second: I never said for a moment that Daniel was annoying like Rodney, hell i agree that they are totally different characters. Third: Yes to everything u say about Rodney, but u can either enjoy this for how wacky it is or u can decide to really hate him. Both ways are legit. Fourth: Atlantis was not as good as SG-1, i agree on that. But it wasnt bad by any means. Its what i call the "Dark Souls 2 Syndrom". Its a case of a series, gaming or TV Show, having a extremly high standard of quality but than having a follow up show/game that doesnt hold up to this standards despite still being good. Its the case of 8/10 still being good even though its not 10/10. Atlantis was not as good as SG-1, for many reasons, but it was still good and a few things it did even better than SG-1. I think we are both on the same page here (except me liking rodney and u hating him which is, again, absolutly viable and i can totally see why) and u miss understood me just a bit.
I love the little Canada flag shoulder patch on whoever that character was. It's like, yay, we made it out to space. Yay Canada. We rate. Totally. And now some kinda bad shit is gonna go down. And we're gonna rate badly on that. Oh well. Whatever, eh? Yay Canada. We stand on guard for thee. Still gonna do our best, still might fuck up. Je m'en calisse.
What I never understood is, if the gate satalite was in orbit above Lantea, how did the Asurans get that gate to activate and not the Atlantis gate? Shouldn't the Atlantis gate superseed any other gate because of the DHD? If the Atlantis gate was a Milky way model then it would make sense but it's a Pegasus model, the same as the gate satalite.
@@lukegauci1159 actually everything can be transmitted both ways, the wormhole itself is completely symmetrical, it is the de and reconstruction process that the gates put matter through to have it arrive in one piece on the other side that introduces directionality. But in principle if I toss a brick into the dialed wormhole it would arrive at the other end, pretty much every atom would arrive in the wrong position but they would arrive. Now in practice the gates will try to convert the matter but of course fail horribly since the gate that is set up for reconstructing the matter receives the matter so there isn't even a guarantee the brick would arrive as atoms but it will still arrive in some shape or form.
So there is a Chevron missing on the gate which may be the reason or may be just a mistake but in general the gate that was last moved to a spot takes presedence. Apart from that the Asurans fully understand the code that controls gate operations and we know that gate specific addresses, which are not actually location specific, are also a thing. So maybe that gate was set up to be dialed this way or maybe every gate can actually be dialed directly independently of it's position, it's just not part of the normal UI and somewhere hidden in the Gate OS debug options and most factions just aren't aware of it.
The shield gets the energy through the laser. The 3 missiles weakened the laser because the power was used to regenerate the shield, so Shepard wanted to fire drones, but Mckay said that even if he would fire all drones, the shield wouldn´t fail
It is a very small shield powered by possibly multiple ZPMs (depending on how much energy you divert to it and how much energy they pumped into the beam). They would definitely not have gotten through that shield
Asurans=/=Replicators Just like why M1A2 doesn't equal Challenger 2 despite both being MBTs employed by NATO forces on planet Earth. This was shoehorned in and setting up villification and destruction of Asurans was one of the biggest mistakes the show writers did:(
That's TOS era writing for you. or it was detonated inside the shields. A single photon torpedo at default yield is equal to a 50 megaton nuke at least.
It’s was a Canadian show and wouldn’t be plausible without U.S military taking the lead role, to compensate they made the one Canadian the smartest person in the room.
I think it was said to be around 280 gigaton nukes, that's over 13 million times the yield of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs, for each of the Horizon's bombs.
It has sensors and directional thrusters though, so if the Apollo tried to get any closer the Asurans could've just aimed the beam at it and blew it up.
@dark zeratul It has vastly lower mass, no way it has enough thrust to avoid being deorbited by a bigger ship. It's also going to have a tough time rotating once you're already pushing it. Daedalus class can re-enter and fly in atmosphere ,that thing probably can't.
@dark zeratul Did you miss the part where they said "There's no way it has the thrust to overpower your big ship" It has thrust, but not more than that huge interplanetary ship. Lol.
@@8vantor8 The shielding appears to be rounded and it takes ~16 seconds for it to pivot on an axis from the ship to the city, safe to say that if the ship tried to de-orbit it that it would just rotate in place and punch a big hole through the less-advanced ship's hull.
The Replicator satelite was pointless they could have done the same without it just dial the Atlantis gate and start blasting, pretty sure the gate forcefield is weaker than the city force fields by a lot. even if that didn't destroy the city it would have taken all their energy and they could have followed up with just walking in there and killing everyone since the shield would be gone.
Dont think so. Replicators had knowledge and power how to create ZPMs. 1 Full ZPM can protect full city a while, city is big. But even 1 ZPM can protect little gate alot longer and who knows how much ZPMs they used to protect that gate.
No. They have the capacity to focus their shield anywhere in and around the city as they please. The demonstrated this when the Ancient weapon caused their stargate to explode and they focused the entire zpm on the stargate to contain the explosion. Since the shield could maintain under the attack for awhile even while spread out to cover the whole city, there's no problem with the shield covering a small area like the stargate for a much longer period of time.
@@salaciousBastard that's actually a good question, is the collapsed city shield stronger? Cause sure it is more focused but it also operates in a shape that is far from what it is designed for so I would imagine that weakens it quite a bit.
If the shield is anything like Atlantis', and it probably is since Asurans emulate ancient tech/society, then as long as its got the power it doesn't collapse. And that beam ain't running out of beam any time soon.
The Laser was sanctimoniously projecting a weapons and powering both the gate and it's shield. The beam had a near limitless supply of energy as it was being powered by ZPM's aswell. This is why they had to move Atlantis because they couldn't destroy the beam gate because they didn't have the firepower to penetrate it's shield.
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That warhead launch was one of the longest CGI tracking shots on any tv show
Luke Evans And there’s a problem with that? I LOVED this sequence.
@@pollall2793 No it was gorgeous
Stargate is the best military science-fiction I've ever seen.
@@saberiandream316 indeed.
@@pollall2793 he’s saying that it’s impressive. Having a tracking shot that is so long is expensive and difficult to produce.
I was always amazed by the amount of nukes used by the Stargate programs. I missed you my old friends.
When in doubt, use a nuke
I'm more amazed by the amount of nukes _not_ used by other shows.
This kinda makes the ground battles in Halo seem rather irrelevant, doesn't it?
It's not like the U.S has a shortage of them. We built about 13,000. After the SALT treaties, we had to start disassembling most of them. (We cheated a bit by transferring a lot of them to the U.K. for use on their ballistic missile submarines, that's an amazing story in itself, caused some funny maintenance problems of the boats, the aft section was British built metric, the missile section was American made english measurements, then the front of the boat was British metric again, just imagine all the fun with plumbing, ducting, hatches, gauges, nuts, and bolts :) ). They also have to be re-manufactured about once every 20 years or so to maintain effectiveness. So the U.S. coming up with 100 to 200 for use by SGC is not a big stretch, especially once the Russians knew about the gate and we could account for the "disappearing" nukes.
@@waynecampeau4566 Interesting thought about the Russians. I think while humanity knows that nukes would mean total destruction on our world, we ever face an interplanetary threat, I agree, I think some nukes being used to fight that, and the international community being okay with it, makes 100% sense.
Weir (ironically) was the most competent military thinker in that episode -she rightfully pointed out how disastrous an ineffectual first/preemptive strike could be.
First strikes need to decisively damage your enemy or prevent decisive damage against you...ideally both.
It needs a clear achievable goal.
The replicators were effectively immortal and I doubt they lost anything irreplaceable in that attack.
Thus the only thing to gain for Earth was time but to do so they had to risk provoking retaliatory attacks.
The problem is how much time would they buy for themselves and would it be enough to finish the PWARW?
One of the characteristic abilities of replicators is incredibility fast construction.
What if rather than building their forces to a level they believed they needed to win strategically -they attacked with just enough ships/weapons for a 'tactical' win?
We know they directed their attack at Atlantis (an irreplaceable asset) but what if they decided that they wanted to reduce the chance of their shipyards getting attacked again and targeted Earth with a punitive strike instead.
Earth isn't even better defended than Atlantis and what the replicators might consider a small or distracting attack could have ended us.
I mean how would Earth have stopped something as simple as a ZPM powered missile that would hits just after coming out of hyperspace?
or if they messed with the Sun?
The cherry on top would be that they lost the element of surprise that they would probably have need to use the PWARW.
Actually I have no idea why the replicators couldn't just attack Earth through a modded stargate -they have ZPMs and presumably all the knowledge the lanteans had on stargates.
KR P it's difficult to say if that was the right call or not because those ships were being built to invade either atlantis or earth they would have had to fight those ships sooner or later.
Think the reason is they didnt want to annoy the real ancients.. they already know they ascended, so pissing off the actual race that ascended (what they were trying to achieve in Pegasus galaxy was going to be a bad idea.
They possibly couldnt have any idea where Earth is (Ancients proly hid that and we know of our relation to the other universe because of the thing they found in Milky Way)
Or just didnt consider it a threat and wanted to get rid of Atlantis as it hurt they forces in an angry response.
Always bothered me tho..why they didnt make an alliance vs the wraith ? Give access to Atlantis, they get all data, leave a copy of theirs to help humans make effective weapons like the system killing energy thing and then just leave for a planet noone would care about and make cities there ?
@@StalkeraBg well these were certainly not the ancients they had darker intentions and not to mention they hated humans the very defendants of the ancients
I don't think Weir was any sort of military genius; Shepherd and Teyla were both FAR superior to her in tactics and strategy. Weir was objecting to the preemptive strike because she's a student of history - and she knew first strikes rarely did what they were intended to do. She decided what she did, because it was the best of a choice of bad options; you don't need to be military to understand that.
I love the uncut shot from launch to impact. That one shot is incredibly impressive as far as solid render time and scope. Normally in both film and TV a CG shot like that would have cuts or changes in angles that are literally switches from one camera to another but this is a single take render with the camera moving through the space around the nuke. It is to this day one of the most impressive CG animation shots made for a TV show ever. Normally a cut shot is somewhere in the length of 5-7 seconds before a new shot is introduced usually from a different angle. The only company that can do a shot like this usually is Disney or rather Lucasfilm and Industrial Light and Magic because they have the computer power for real time realistic renders where companies like those who work on productions like this show are limited both in budget and time. So for this shot to exist on a tv show is a testament to the outstanding work and creativity of the VFX team that did it. Amazing!
There is a possible cut, when the "camera" intersects the smoke. That would allow them to at least get the ship out of the render
@@Outworlder You don't need the smoke to do that. Think about the last 3D game you played … all the stuff in the level, you think we display that on screen? Some 25 years ago, we cheated since most of those games were always indoors, even if it didn't look like it. "Cave crawlers". Fixed geometry in games back then (games like Tomb Raider 1/2, Quake 1/2/3, etc.) was divided into tree structures. Two ways we did it: BSP engines and portal engines. They'd tell us what to draw based on where you (player) were and whether there was even a possibility that you (a viewport floating in camera space) could possibly see something or not.
But even back then, that was done to make sure the computer could keep up with rendering the game real-time at a high framerate. ("High" for the day, mind you…) A lot of that "culling" was about making sure we were limiting how many things we were trying to process at once. Once you handed those off the the 3D renderer, it had very efficient algorithms for throwing away geometry that was not going to be visible.
Obviously, someone's gotta write the algorithms to do that, and a few short years before the games I've mentioned (and in the ones I mentioned that could be played without 3D video cards) we had to have all those sorting and culling algorithms in our games in multiple places to throw out more and more objects and geometry you just couldn't see on screen.
All that to say, the moment the ship was not visible in that VFX shot (which indeed was and is VERY IMPRESSIVE for TV), it was not even being considered by the renderer. As far as the draw code was concerned, just about as soon as it was off-screen, it "ceased to exist".
I still wonder how many weeks (months?) it took them to render that shot on a TV budget.
It's CGI, not rocket science. Not impressive.
@@bigben8502 So the author of the post and wrote that this is graphics ...
Only very long graphics with rendering, which only large film companies can afford, even in our time, and here the series is more than 10 years old and not with a big budget
2:17 Colonel Elis: It's a Stargate.
Weir: Quick dial out before they can dial in.
Sgt. Chuck: Yes, ma'am.
There, problem solved.
Until they hit the 38 minute mark.
@@callumunga5253 Still leaves them with a 38 minutes window. Depending on whether or not the Asurans are able to tell when Atlantis' Stargate will lose it's connection or not it might be possible for Atlantis to permanently lock out the satellite's Stargate. All they will have to do is redial their gate sometime during the 38 minutes. If however the Asurans are able to redial their satellite's Stargate before Atlantis is able to renew their connection Atlantis will still have up to 38 minutes. The satellite has an internal power source, but its primary power source is the energy beam from Asura. This means that Apollo might be able to do some serious damage to the satellite or maybe outright destroy it.
Yes... and without connection no infinite energy for the shield, they could've just destroy it within those 30-sh min...
@@brianransom16 yes my thought too, flunk it into hypespace, even just for seconds it would end who knows where or best case at the planets core or its sun...
Even if it has hyperdrive, it would loose its connection and Atlantis coult dial out.
There are two problems with this. First you don't know the adress. And second even if you do the gate still orbits Atlantis. You can't dial something that is basically next door
At the time this episode first aired, I remember thinking how stupid they were to bomb the Replicator planet. It was basically a society of Ancients, the most advanced species in the universe. Not one you want pissed at you. Frankly, the humans were lucky they didn't send 100,000 drones through the satellite gate instead. Those things would have shredded Atlantis' shields in no time.
Shredded the shields? The drones would have gone THRU the shields. The Lanteans designed their shields to allow their tech thru (so they could move ships without lowering shields and fire drones without the shield destroying them).
David Kelly i think they had somekind of switch for that, after all during the war the wraith captured lantean technology and there was no failsafe exept the dna scanners from stoping the wraith to use lantean tech.
I guess they would have a easy way of making the shield impassabke gor everything in seconds.
The tauri just havent figured out how yet
Drones wouldn't do much anyways. The only weakness the Atlantis shield has is it's power source, as long as you can pump energy into it it stays active. A sustained beam weapon will put more strain on the shield then thousands of drone impacts would.
Putting this into context, the original ZPM they brought from earth was already somewhat depleted, and the wraith bombardment would have taken days to deplete. The fresh ZPM the replicators brought when they tried to seize Atlantis would have been depleted in 29 hours. Plus without the beam the replicator gate's shield would have been weak and they could just destroy the gate and without a signal the drones would become inert and only be added to Atlantis' arsenal.
The Ancients weren't the most advanced in the universe, that was the Asgard. The Ancients evolved over hundreds of millions of years where the Asgard did it in 100,000. The Asgard ships, shields, and weapons were far superior to anything the ancients had.
Гипердвигатели асгарда более совершенные, нежели у лантийцев. Щиты последних модификаций выдерживали десятки попаданий лучевых орудий Орай. Так что в плане вооружений Асгарды превзошли Лантийцев. Щиты Лантийцев более мощные из-за модулятора нулевой точки, но я уверен, если в корабль с щитами асгардов подсоединить этот модулятор, то эти щиты будут невероятно продвинутые.
So so so happy to see someone on TV that puts tactical prowess before cinematic appeal.
Indeed.
so the asurans didn't have any long range sensors or drones to intercept the horizon weapon?
Colonel Ellis did have the consideration of time (Unlike basically any other fictitious character ever). Assuming the animation we're shown is time accurate to a certain degree, they would have only had maybe 45 seconds to intercept. Given the ships were being built out in the open far from any noteworthy structure, not to mention the Asurans at the time deemed their surface perfectly safe, it would be rather difficult to get to the chair and actually get drones all the way over there before the Horizon hit, to say nothing of the decoys in the package.
Truly, my question is why not beam the warheads in and remove the small chance they all are intercepted.
Any competent military would have had someone sitting in that chair 24/7. They'd have at least two chairs to prevent gaps during changeovers.
The replicators don't need control chairs. They are machines and their defences are controlled directly by them. Also keep in mind the Asurans are cocky little Alteran simulators, they probably didn't think Earth even knew about the ship yards, or probably didn't care. The replicators are a VERY patient race.
The Asuran satellite weapon was both a very ingenious weapon and one of the most devastating ever seen, plus by firing a sustained beam it took advantage of the weakness in most SG shields to the focused piercing impact of a beam as opposed to the relatively blunt and concussive impact of bolts. Atlantis only survived because Ancient shields are incredibly advanced and strong, had that beam stayed focused on the Apollo it would have certainly destroyed her in short order.
thats because asurans had dozens of zpm powering the beam, the shields, and the stargate at the same time.
Ingenious to the point of if someone had dialed out of Atlantis' gate or this one using a remote DHD before the replicators dialed in, the whole plan would have not worked.
I still think McKay should have stolen all Informations on ZPM creation from the Asuarans when he was hacked in.
Max Mustermann Doubt he had the time. Seriously the team only had a small window to steal a ZPM on the Asuran planet.
Yea that would have been amazing, especially now that they have all the asgard technology they could easily create them if they had the ancient designs.
2:09 Such a cool weapon.
Also, did anyone notice the gate has only EIGHT chevrons? Makes me think that the replicators actually built that gate themselves, sense they'd have no use for the Destiny address.
Well, a lot of gates (most of them spacegates) only had eight chevrons. Of course, there are many fan theories why, but it is believed, that this has been just an SFX error and has nothing to do with the story
Will von Ray my opinion would be that who would want to dial Destiny from a Space gate?
All space gates have 8 chevrons. This is done purposely because Gateships are too large to safely dial Destiny.
Stargate Universe probably wasn't fleshed out in pre-production yet when the first spacegate was introduced in Stargate Atlantis, so I doubt they would have known enough to put an easter egg in regarding the number of chevrons. More likely that it was an error on the part of the person who created the 3d asset for the show. It just so happens to have a good in-universe continuity-based explanation.
@@ericlanglois9194 The video production equivalent of "It's not a bug, it's a feature."
Whatever the quality of the effects, the choice to do such a long shot while keeping it interesting is to be applauded
The sealife that died when beam drag along the water rest in piece.
With butter and garlic
artificial global warming
The part I don't understand is how the Ausurans, who had all the technology of the ancients as well as superfast minds, could neither detect Apollo nor intercept the ship or bomb.
The Apollo literally dropped out of hyperspace launched the missile and left, the prolonged scene was for dramatic effect.
At the very least they should have seen the Apollo from a long way away. We know the Asurans have the same technology as Atlantis and they can detect enemy ships in hyperspace from light years away.
@@asvarien Apollo got them Asgard techs, probably got a way to mask their tails
The long range sensors have never been able to pick up Asgard drive signatures (Atlantis also didn't pick up on the Vanir untill they were right on top of them, wherever Asgard drives mask themselves actively or the sensors are just simply not calibrated to search for them I don't know).
As for the slow reaction speed we see something similar during the battle of asuras where the alliance was able to take out multiple aurora classes before the asurans raised shields or even fired back.
Personally I think this stems from their human personality leading to indecisiveness and a sort of shellshock. After all the idea that somebody would even attack them is absolutely ludicrous and they also don't have to fear death that much as long as enough of them stay alive they can just transfer their consciousness into a new group of nanites so they probably also saw no reason to act hasty at all
The long range sensors have never been able to pick up Asgard drive signatures (Atlantis also didn't pick up on the Vanir untill they were right on top of them, wherever Asgard drives mask themselves actively or the sensors are just simply not calibrated to search for them I don't know).
As for the slow reaction speed we see something similar during the battle of asuras where the alliance was able to take out multiple aurora classes before the asurans raised shields or even fired back.
Personally I think this stems from their human personality leading to indecisiveness and a sort of shellshock. After all the idea that somebody would even attack them is absolutely ludicrous and they also don't have to fear death that much as long as enough of them stay alive they can just transfer their consciousness into a new group of nanites so they probably also saw no reason to act hasty at all
For those wondering. The Laser was simultaneously projecting a weapon and powering both the gate and it's shield. The beam had a near limitless supply of energy as it was being powered by ZPM's aswell. This is why they had to move Atlantis because they couldn't destroy the beam gate because they didn't have the firepower to penetrate it's shield.
If you will ever try to attack an enemy, make sure: 1. no one detects your presence at their planet, 2. also make sure there will be nothing left for them to find out who did that, 3. if you can´t for some reason do it, then don´t. And if they still send you a "gift", don´t just look at it like "what is that?", but destroy it immediately, or activate the gate, so they can´t use it.
??? The mission was a complete success? They weren't worried about Atlantis. The guys who authorized this worried about that fleet coming to earth. No fleet ever got to earth --> total success of mission parameters.
For those of you who don't know, the backstory to this is: The Replicators were building ships (possibly to invade Atlantis). This obviously was a threat, and thus the nuclear attack on the Replicators.
Dude, in the Horizon part, Earth was destroyed! 😰
+Stephen Byrne What?
+Arthur Dent That planet in the Horizon part, that was Earth wasn't it?
+Stephen Byrne That was Asura, or M7R227. In the Pegasus galaxy, home world of the Asuran Replicators.
+Arthur Dent That wasn't destroyed until we formed an alliance with the Wraith and an other race
Asuryans could teach the Ori how to build a proper satellite cannon.
I think I know which SG1 episode you're referring to. Do keep in mind that even though that satellite weapon was designed by the Ori, it still had to be build by the people of a world that was about as technologically advanced as mid-20th century Earth.
@@RudyBleeker and it's also important to keep in mind that the Ori were the religious fanatics part of Ancient society. They were nowhere near the technological level of their Ancient brethren. The only reason the Lanteans had to flee their home galaxy was because they were simply heavily outnumbered despite their technological advantage.
Also they probably gave them a weapon that is like very powerful but not *too powerful* in case they have a change of heart for example...aaand that they were built using limited technology.
@@Salted_Fysh "and it's also important to keep in mind that the Ori were the religious fanatics part of Ancient society." You pulled that out of your ass.
The only difference between the Ori and the other Ancients was that the Ori didn't share the no-interference philosophy. They were the same people with the same technology and knowledge.
@@Kalenz1234 that is incorrect. The split between Ori and Ancients happened pre-Ascension. With a rising level of religious fanaticism, the Ori eventually tried to wipe out the science-focused Ancients. Because the Ancients did not believe in war, they left their home galaxy and settled in the Milky Way.
Later on the Ori then released a plague in the Milky Way that lead to most Ancients being wiped out and the rest either ascending or fleeing for Pegasus in Atlantis where they ultimately met their end. The ascended ancients were strong enough to shield the Milky Way from the Ori though despite the Ori drawing a lot of power from their believers (implying the Ancients were more powerful) so that the Ori had to exploit the non-interference policy by way of the Orici to try and gain even more power/a way to destroy the Ancients.
And yes, post-ascension non-interference is definitely the factor differentiating Ori and Ancients. But prior to that the split is simply between a pacifist science-focused faction and a fanatically religious faction. It goes without saying that the science focused faction is going to make better advancements in technology.
One of the most terrifying weapons I've ever seen. Probably the worst part is that you could mass-produce the satellites, thus having a super-weapon that can hit multiple planets. Your only limitation is how many super lasers you have built and how many Stargates you have. All you need is at least one Stargate for each laser and each satellite. You need at least two to get it working. Not a problem for replicators.
You only need one laser and source gate. Remember it IS possible to have one gate dial multiple to all gates in a network. Not only that but energy based weapons can fire perfectly fine through a multi-dialed gate, it's how the replicators in the Milky Way were defeated.
Good god! I never even considered combining this beam weapon with the multi-gate dial. That's terrifying! Obviously you wouldn't be able to aim for shit, but if each gate is even remotely close to anything important then it's just dead. Imagine this thing coming through the sgc gate. Remember people; always point your stargates away from any critical operation centres/populated areas.
And of course, in the meantime, the gates are entirely out of commission until the beams stops, which might be never, so long as the energy can be maintained. Lot of energy though.
When you multidial the gates the matter get's shared isn't it? So basicly the same beam would be a tiny flashlight in this case. However seen as how much ZPM they had, I'm pretty sure they could've pulled it off.
While that might be true, the energy wave the Dakara weapon uses was sent to EVERY stargate in the milkyway and still had enough energy to clear the surface of every planet it was sent too.
Now that is a pulse weapon, this one is sustained. Enjoy your nightmare fuel.
Not sure where your logic is going there...the Dakara weapon is a short pulse (did they say anything about how long the weapon needed to build up power before firing?) on a narrow band (only affects Replicators, not anything else...and it's possible it was a backdoor shutdown signal rather than an actual 'weapon' as such, given how they were able to defeat it later), rather like a camera flash. A sustained beam is a different thing. No more nightmare fuel here than there already is....and the humans never did think about hyperspace-capable missles--no need to deliver the Horizon if it can deliver itself.. :-)
One problem I had with the Horizon was that given the insane yields it delivers, and the distinct possibility of encountering heavy shields, why even bother with decoys. Go max yield.
I love the fact that no matter how far stargate any series went they were always under attack ...never changes because there is never enough
"there is always a bigger fish"
It's pretty interesting how casually they use nukes in the Stargate shows, when you consider how rarely they are used in real life.
It really isn't.. It is widely known as humanity's most feared weapon.. This is a series about intergalactic warfare, what weapons would be more appropriate?
That Horizon scene is freakin amazing.
Too bad they couldn't do that to the Ori.
Is it just me or did the various _Stargate_ series each express an anti-robot/android/AI sentiment? With the exception of Daniel Jackson, I can't remember *anyone* pushing back against the "It's just a machine." argument.
What about the android clones Harlan made of SG-1? The reaction got beyond "It's just a machine" in "Double Jeopordy" if not the first encounter in "Tin Man".
@@Superkuh2 Yeah all of those robots died and no one cared.
It's why Daniel Jackson was the greatest, and moral heart of SG-1
The laser gate weapon was and is the coolest stargate weapon ever... Personal opinion🙂
3:10 for the good guys
the men and women who made the visual effects have superpowers
Its like BSG in reverse...
Someone remind me-- I know the Asuran (the Replicators under another name) Stargate weapon could fire continuously (the power of the beam passing through the Stargate being utilized to power the gate itself so it didn't shut off after being on for only so long, thus cutting the beam from its origin point-- which I believe was Asuras itself). Was that also why the Apollo couldn't manage to destroy it, because its shielding ALSO drew power from said beam, enough power that its shield was impenetrable to normal weapons? (I DO remember that the only way for Atlantis to survive the weapon's attack was to pick up sticks and get the hell away from it where it couldn't follow.)
yes
there are a select few things that can prevent the gates from shutting down after the 38 minute interval
black holes, and dumping a CRAP ton of energy through the gate being two ways to bypass the gates time limit
this satellite weapon happens to, most likely by design, dump enough energy into the gate to prevent it from shutting down. all the Asurans had to do was keep the weapon powered on their end and the gate, and by extension the satellite, would remain fully operational
nari lutra the only reason why the black hole does that is because of the latter. And sometimes because of time dilation
true, but it IS one pf the easier ways of dumping enough energy through, so it is worth thinking about
the asurans had an unlimited amount of zpms, definitely could power all 3 things indefinitely
I always wondered why they didn't quick grab a couple of other space gates and set up a "Portal" type situation where they put an open gate in front of it that connected to another gate aimed AT it. Basically reroute the beam on to itself.
That would be impossible since the gates would be in such close proximity they would share the same address and therefore wouldnt be able to dial in or out. When Atlantis got attacked by the Asuran Satelite Weapon, they couldnt dial out because the Satelite's gate was already open and too close to Atlantis' gate.
"Hey, the ancients with much more firepower than we had couldn't exterminate the Asurans, so we'll surely be able to do the job with a bunch of gussied up nuclear bombs! We are SMRT!"
By looking at the bomb bay doors from the inside and the outside, I can say the daedalus class is a tiny ship.
It is one of the smallest ships in the whole series. I think it's safe to say that it's acutually the smallest capital ship used in Stargate series.
Prometheus was even smaller though.
Neko_ValentinE_Butterfly ha'taks are (by a little margin) larger than the BC-304, the capital ships of the blue aliens from SGU are smaller than the Daedalus (the Ursini ships are likely the same size of the Daedalus), the BC-304 is the most effective capital ship of the whole series, at all
Yeah it's tiny compared to mostly everything.. but still it's a human warship! We finally have warships. Yay.
Also, when an Asgard ship came I couldn't found the human warship it's so tiny..
MamboJambo Bra'tac would be proud. Finally something more inpressiv than "space shuttles".
How large can you build when you are avoiding the suspicion from Russia, China and EU at the same time? Besides, even with cooperation between all the superpowers on Earth, the size of Daedelus would still be more or less the limit of what they can afford. If building aircraft carriers requires trillions of dollars, what more can we say about building a starship.
This kinda reminds me of when the Japanese Empire attacked Pearl Harbor shipyards in an attempt to neutralize the enemy fleet, but then the US retaliated back hard. The replicators have all the knowledge of the Ancients(except for maybe some key things) meaning that they know some pretty scary stuff. The only thing the HORIZON did was piss them off.
That is a great analogy, only one flaw though, that pearl harbour bombing was planned for that day because the entire American fleet was meant to be docked... Only reason it wasnt was because a hurricane blew in and delayed most of the fleet...what I'm saying is the thinking behind this scene is 'take out the whole fleet and they can't do anything'
The idea of the stargate as a remote weapon platform like this was brilliant. Simultaneously simplify your own supply line/logistics and deny a planetary stargate to your enemy. Would work even if you didn't have a crazy beam weapon, you can throw missiles through it too.
We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor, our undying Lord, and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus upon the Imperial world of Asuras. I hereby sign the death warrant of an world and consign a million souls to oblivion. May Imperial Justice account in all balance. The Emperor Protects.
I’m almost reminded of the bombardment of the Twelve Colonies…
I think this is where Atlantis stopped being truly "great" and became "decent to good". I loved Weir's passion, I don't understand why people who give the show a chance wouldn't like her, and I just don't think the show had real direction from the beginning of season 4, particularly season 5. Technology evolved, which was brilliant, but it just turned into Todd and Michael turning up with nefarious plots to be thwarted.
It always bugged me that the gate in this satellite was an octagon instead of a nonogon like all the others.
One thing I do not understand. In the SG1 episode Chain Reaction an enhanced Naquadah bomb was tested and turned an entire planet into a ball of superheated plasma. So, this Horizon Bomb seems rather... Weak in comparison. For a threat like the Replicators wouldn't you want to turn their planet into a ball of plasma to make sure they do not spread? I mean, given what it took to kill the block versions after all.
Naquadah being present in the planet in question was key there. It was an old formerly occupied Goa'uld world, so there would have been loads of naquadah there.
Little to none of the element on the Asuran world, they would have been after stuff like Neutronium, if I recall from SG-1 episodes.
Again and again those pesky replicators, clever little buggers....grrrr!!! I loved seeing David Ogden Stiers though :)
Amazon removed SG:A from their Prime Service. I hate them.
@Time Traveller Lol your name fits. Its not 2008 anymore. Who still uses dvd/blu rays? But in all seriousness this does suck.
amazon has stargate again. At least in America. So they have the series again.
Dude watch Stargate Atlantis online for free in dailymotion. Lol that’s what I do
@The high ground I am not sure what version of stargate Atlantis you are referring too. If you are referring to an illegal version on RUclips or such they do that so they can get past the robots that detect that stuff. Also DVD's and Blurays are obsolete. They will eventually stop making them and supporting them.
@The high ground They would be shortened again to get past bots searching for illegal uploads.
They were just lucky the Replicators didn't pull a "Carter". What would have happened to that planet if they dropped a gate into a sun like Carter did and had the stellar mater come out on or even near the Atlantic planet? At the very LEAST it would become uninhabitable within a few minutes, more likely completely destroyed, especial if they used a dwarf star as the source. They could also do the same trick with one orbiting near a black hole.
you destroy one sun and now everyone expects you to walk on water!
I always wondered if they placed four Naquadria enhanced nukes right next to the shield of that weapon in the North-South-East-West positions and detonated them at the same time... would that resulting force at the center be enough to destroy the gate satellite!
The soundtrack for the replicator weapon 😍
"That is bad for a dozen different reasons" XD XD XD One of the most humorous lines ever in tv history. XD
Those nuclear explosions dissipate _way_ too quickly...
The profile of the nose of the Horizon is wrong. You want a blunt body for atmospheric entry to keep the bow shock separated from the body as far as possible. Otherwise too much heat gets through too fast.
Pointy is must be pointy
I liked this story line but I always wondered when Earth was gonna realize that missiles don't work on shields and they should make them the secondary weapons in favour of more advanced ones I remember watching them use them time and again and thinking they didn't work last time why do you think that will have changed?
They finally did that when the Asgard gave them all their tech including new beam weapons. After that, the rest of weapons like the rail guns and missiles became secondary weaponry and Earth/Tau'ri became a galactic superpower.
this was the mark nine, a gatebuster im pretty sure it would destroy every ship in the stargate universe, but its energy cant be focused on the shield, it would get distracted
I always wondered why they didn't try hitting the satellite with drones. Besides the obvious reasons of plot contrivance I don't remember it being mentioned in show why they couldn't/ wouldn't use the drones to take out the satellite and it's shield.
It would have diverted power from Atlantis shield and considering the ungodly amount of power dumped into such a small shield it wouldn't have done anything anyway
@@victorselve8349 I always wondered wjhether the upgraded Odyssey and Deadulus with the Asgard weaponry would have had the firepower to take out the satellite.
@@ianhirst1148 I doubt it, sure Asgard beams have proven brutally effective against ancient shields easily making up for massive descrapancies in provided power between the beam weapons and the ZPM powered ancient ships but the satellite has probably dozens of ZPMs behind it. The only ship I could possibly see accomplish this is a Super hive given that one of those was able to burn out emitters on the city shield.
i wonder if the gate laser weapon was a standard weapon during the wraith war for the ancients it would explain space gates in pegasus
Trying to commit genocide against replicator versions of one of the most advanced civilizations in history. Definitely a bad idea
Eh once they got Asgard weapons they made short work of their ships
Why didn't the replicators have any long range sensors, orbital defenses, aerial defenses or shields over their super important ship building facilities?
The director didn't allow them to have those,or the Tauri can never win,even if allied themselves with wraith.
Detecting ships in hyperspace is not easily done and I'm pretty sure they had drones and shields it's just that 60 s is not much time to locate a ships as small as a 304 and find and track an even smaller rocket, I would also assume that they just didn't except an attack since they had no idea that the Tauri possessed such powerful weapons and the Wraith would not risk angering them. (And I mean sure they aren't technically ancients, but they still carry some of their overconfidence with them)
@@victorselve8349 Atlantis had no problem detecting Wraith ships approaching in hyperspace from many light years distance. And since the replicator homeworld had one more more Atlantis class city ships they too had the capability.
@@asvarien but Atlantis also didn't detect the Vanir ship until it had left hyperspace right next to Atlantis and since both the 304 and the Vanir ships use Asgard hyperdrives (although the 304s is probably more advanced since the Vanir put almost all of their effort into fixing the degeneration issue while the main Asgard continued to improve their technology to fight the replicators) I would guess that the 304 is similarly difficult to detect in hyperspace (I would also imagine that the ancients sensors may be tuned to be good at picking up Wraith hyperdrive signatures by default and that it is possible to get the sensors to track Asgard hyperdrives with some modifications)
Still they probably could have responded quicker if they had been expecting an attack and actively searched for hostile ships.
is it just me or is anyone else reminded of the Aliens movies when the music plays at 2.09?
nope, I am reminded of the space sections in Dead Space 3
I think the Replicators were completely justified in their response.
Yep to bad they started killing everyone they would have made the best allies
Honestly the Asurans are pretty justified in most of the stuff they did.
Between the Ancients trying to wipe them from existence when asked to remove the uncontrollable rage from their programming, an extremely reasonable request if you ask me, and pretty much every other fraction they meet being either hostile to them, or trying to exploit them for their own gains I can absolutely understand why they aren't to friendly with most of the galaxies population.
They are one of the more tragic villains of Stargate to be sure
Here’s a question: how did they dial in? The Asurans should have connected to the Atlantis gate (seeing as it was still the original Atlantis planet and the gate would supersede another which came nearby), and since it’s an eight-chevron space gate and not a nine-chevron land gate: it doesn’t have a serial address to dial that gate specifically regardless of position like destiny had.
Actually a similar technique was used for midway station the gate priority is software based programing can be used to overwrite the standard OS of the gate and the replicators are skilled programmers.
I always felt a little sorry for the Asurans.
I mean, the Tau'ri kind of did genocide their planet...
...preemptively too.
@MayHemm007 Except The Tau'ri were the ones that activated the command to begin the assault on the Wraith a couple episodes before this one.
They're literally one the ones that told the replicators to begin a fullscale war with the wraith. Then they blew up the replicator ships they built while following the exact commands the Tau'ri gave them.
yeah, the asurans weren't without blame for attacking atlantis and then killing all the lanteans from that ship. but still, how they were manipulated by the ancients, then nuked by the tauri, then manipulated by the tauri, then manipulated by the wraith and then finally wiped out completely, i just feel a bit bad for them.
The High Ground.
The replicators didn't begin destroying human worlds until AFTER this episode. So that is not a valid excuse.
the volume on most of these SG Atlantis clips is extremely low, barely audible even at top volume. When I change to some other clip if I forget to turn it down,, I am blasted!
Not sure if anyone has already brought this up, but there was no safe way to have destroyed the Asuran satellite-Stargate. A Stargate is made out of naquadah and would have caused a massive explosion had it been destroyed. I guess it was for plot device, but the Atlantis expedition should have tried to find a way to reuse the beam as energy to power the shields.
It was in obrbit, it was far enough away for that not to matter. The problem is that it's actually very hard to make a gate explode, when trying to do so they specific higher yield 'gate busters' which they probably didn't have lying around. Normally firing more nukes is more efficient than using bigger nukes.
Moreover, that thing had a shield, that protected a small bubble, most likely powered by the energy of several ZPMs (that sustained the beam).
Better yet, why didn't someone IMMEDIATELY start dialing Atlantis' gate once Ellis mentioned there was a gate in orbit.
Well the Gate was in Orbit and it´s Explosion wouldn´t have destroyed Atlantis.
Differend Story for the beam. So it is a smaller risk to try and Blow up the gate.
When I seen that it had a Stargate in it, my first thought was dialing and keeping the Stargate open forcefully for as long as possible, because if that gate dials, whatever comes out of it's going to be bad.
Also if a Stargate explodes in a bad way, it can take the whole planet with it. For example when Anubis was sending a power beam through it, which directly fed the Stargate with energy so it wouldn't shut down.
This damn satellite is using every cannon source to be a nightmare. If it comes active you can't shot it down because the shield is feeding on the Stargate/Beam, but if you bypass the shield and destroy the gate it destroys everything in a very big radius.
The best would've been to fire at it and not let it dial. But than again, we wouln't have seen what it's capable of.
Never ages..
Plot hole: Asuras' long-range sensors should've picked up the 304 en route.
The ships were under construction, why would their sensors be operational?
+DracaNova The entire planet was an Ancient civilization...they would have long-range sensors everywhere. Atlantis has long-range sensors and it's a (mostly) stationary city.
@@Theomite Atlantis also didn't detect the Vanir ship and both use Asgard hyperdrives so maybe they don't work on Asgard hyperdrives or are just not tuned to them seeing as they tend to be quite rare in Pegasus
@@victorselve8349 Now that's a plot hole patch I can get behind provided they mentioned that in the show. The problem is that the long-range sensors can detect Wraith hyperdrives so this would be a convenient solution. Too convenient.
@@Theomite the real problem is that they didn't seem to detect the approaching joint Tauri-Traveler-Wraith fleet either
The CGI people did a great job on the Horizon and the planet as well as the ship .. Very realistic
That satellite may have had a shield but it’s still floating in space 😂 just push it away from the planet jesus
And then it just calmly rotates inside it's shield and torches you inside the ship you're trying to push with. Afterwards it immediately returns to attacking the planet.
That weapon rocks! I don't remember how it was defeated.
They had to leave the planet.
PatrioticAnarchist93:
Shield Technology blocks the effects of a nuclear weapon, except in the early episodes of the old Star Trek...but everyone still survived.
But remember, that there is no known shield technology that does anything remotely to what we see in scifi stories, nor are beam energy weapons really practical.
The most practical weapons will always be projectile based..
The most effect way to damage something is to smash something into it really hard and fast. This is essentially what all our of weapons do.
Using an anti replicator weapon would have given them all that infrastructure free of change.
How did they hit the other side of Asuras
Was this before or after they learned the origin of the Replicators? If after, how did they honestly think this would work when the Ancients failed with the same tactic?
They where trying to buy time until the Anti Replicator Weapon could be made to cover a planet. Didn't buy enough time unfortunetly
so the asurans didn't have any long range sensors or drones to intercept the horizon weapon?
The Alterans got beaten by the Wraith and the Asurans aren't really capable of innovating. They were just really bad a war, which is kind of an endearing trait when you think about it.
Except for the fact that, after they got re-programmed to actually go and fight wraith like they were supposed to, they seem to do pretty well. Until the wraith figure out how to turn off their attack command at least.
And yeah, they probably did have sensors and drones to shoot down the horizon, but they either, a)didn't think it was THAT much of a threat, or were a bit too slow. And the horizon does fire off decoys simultaneously to help more of the missiles get through.
I'm personally more surprised the asurans didn't have shields installed on any of those shipyards. I guess they just weren't expecting such a sudden attack?
@@TheAkashicTraveller oh no the Asurans defenitely are capable, they just don't see any reason why they should
Always wondered the Daedelus didn't just ram and give it a little uncontrolled deorbit onto the surface, safely hundreds of miles away from Atlantis. Hard to shoot that beam when you've got no atmospheric manoeuvring capability.
@RFS Korolev still, it'd be better than having atlantis take the beam continuously.
Because it had the risk of destroying the ship, if not causing it irreparable damage.
@IJN Yamato It didn't look as if it had any significant "flight" capability at all - especially not enough to actually fly in an atmosphere.
@@barbiquearea How ? The beam can only be emitted from one side of the Stargate. Ram it from the opposite side.
@IJN Yamato Manoeuvring thrusters are not the same thing as main engines. I don't think it would have been enough.
Honestly, all they really needed to do was simply get a really big asteroid and accelerate it to 50% the speed of light and crash into that satellite. Even if the shields allow it to survive, the sheer impact would knock it entirely out of orbit rendering it more or less useless. And if the satellite can fly back, Atlantis could just move away in the time it takes to get back.
I think your _simply_ in simply accelerating a large astroid to ½ c is somewhat misplaced...
Also most shields in Stargate can absorb kinetic energy very well and the astroid would probably just break apart upon hitting the satellite not transferring most of it's kinetic energy
Why not just beam the warheads down to the surface or a km above the ground? Just curious.
as they have pointed out they dont have asgard sensors or know how to beam to multiple locations simultaneously
@@thehantavirus Plus beaming all time isn't as exciting as launching.
I think they maybe wanted to test the delivery system as a whole since a horizon could also be used in situations were beaming is not available or won't work (for example wraith).
I could also imagine that they were not sure if the Asurans had countermeasures.
But in all we have seen them beam mark 9s before and they can also beam to multiple targets and in rapid succession so they should also be able to do it this way
@@victorselve8349 at first, millitary designers are used to the habit of preferring methods that worked before. Second, the secret nature of the Stargate program means, those designers did not know more than they need to know.
I think only a few ppl like Sam Carter or Rodney McCay had "unlimited" access to everything. This means, the horizon device was maybe in big parts designed by teams that dont even know a thing like a Stargate exist.
@@aracuron9956 yes to the first statement but the second is pretty much irrelevant.
Even if the system was co-designed by non sg resources (which I would say is likely for the rockets although heat shielding and at least partial propulsion are definitely not pure non sg tech given how quockly the rockets reached their goals, the warheads themselves are designed and manufactured in house by Carters Team, that much we know) they would not need any special design features for warhead delivery via Asgard beaming. They would at most have to remove the single missiles from the carrier rocket.
And as far as the planning for the mission is concerned all people involved were very much aware of the tactical abilities of Asgard beaming so I doubt that they didn't do so just because it's new or because they didn't know about it.
reminds me of the trident missile system
if it worked
It's a MIRV
You know that you can create weapons of massdestruction by combining Jericho missiles with gatebusters.
This is a glimpse of interplanetary war. very scary. The hope of mankind lies in the bravery of our military and technological advantage
Their only chance to have destroyed it would have been to have fired on it before the gate activated and powered up the shield. Assuming the shield wasn’t powered by an a power source on the platform itself.
Seeing as it had a hyperdrive, which requires at least a naquadria reactor, or more likely given the fact that they are Asurans, a ZPM, such a small shield would handle anything they can throw at it.
This show could have been so great with the right storytelling.
Atlantis? Why do u think it isnt great? And how is the storytelling not right? I found it a really enjoyable show with a great cast and awesome lore around it. Specially Rodney was awesome, i loved to hate his arrogance at the beginning and loved to see him grow later into a less arrogant but still stuborn person. Insanly entertaining
100black towers he was garbage. One of the worst thing in the show. On sg1, the nerd Daniel was not only right on most things, he wasn’t annoying and even though he was right most times, the episodes didn’t revolve around him like Atlantis does for extremely annoying Mackey.
@@rayleigh8 Well i see ur point but Rodney was not a Nerd Character like Daniel. Where Daniel is this soft guy the needs to prove himself and later becomes casually one of the most powerful beings in existence, Rodney is a self inserted asshole who KNOWS how inteligent and specially how much MORE inteligent he is than others and he isnt above it to rub it into others faces. U can either hate him for that or u can enjoy his sarcastic behaviour and later far more enjoy to see him crash and burn when he fails. Daniels journey was to find selfconfidence and trust, were Rodneys Journey was to find humility and asking for help. Sure one can argue that he didnt really reached the goal of this journey as he, despite all the development he had, still can be a dick, but i for myself enjoy basicly every minute of him being on screen. If he tells others how stupid they are or for once get told off on his own stuborn behaviour its a feast for the eyes.
100black towers Daniel soft that needs to prove himself?. When I say nerd Daniel, I mean mostly in academic jargon at first but was never really soft. In the first season he not only saved earth by being right as usual but protected SG1 in the firefight on the ships and basically got killed only to comeback alive, another usual for him. Daniel when from being right all the time to a warrior in handling weapons and fighting and still being right all the time. Daniel was never a liability and certainly not annoying, McKay was both. Daniel did use to annoy Jack in the beginning( not the fans) because Jack always wanted to follow orders while Daniel wanted to see all the angles of the situation and Daniel would usually turned out to be right like that episode of the nazi aliens where jack just wanted the technology while Daniel wanted to know what these people were about. McKay was an annoyance to everyone but he wasn’t the main reason the show sucked, it was the stories that never went anywhere and weren’t awe inspiring like in SG1.
@@rayleigh8 First: Daniel was a soft person between all those soldiers. I dont mean that in a bad way at all. Daniel was the single best character in SG-1 only on par with Jack and Bra'tac the absolut mad lads.
Second: I never said for a moment that Daniel was annoying like Rodney, hell i agree that they are totally different characters.
Third: Yes to everything u say about Rodney, but u can either enjoy this for how wacky it is or u can decide to really hate him. Both ways are legit.
Fourth: Atlantis was not as good as SG-1, i agree on that. But it wasnt bad by any means. Its what i call the "Dark Souls 2 Syndrom". Its a case of a series, gaming or TV Show, having a extremly high standard of quality but than having a follow up show/game that doesnt hold up to this standards despite still being good. Its the case of 8/10 still being good even though its not 10/10. Atlantis was not as good as SG-1, for many reasons, but it was still good and a few things it did even better than SG-1.
I think we are both on the same page here (except me liking rodney and u hating him which is, again, absolutly viable and i can totally see why) and u miss understood me just a bit.
I love the little Canada flag shoulder patch on whoever that character was. It's like, yay, we made it out to space. Yay Canada. We rate. Totally.
And now some kinda bad shit is gonna go down. And we're gonna rate badly on that. Oh well. Whatever, eh? Yay Canada. We stand on guard for thee. Still gonna do our best, still might fuck up. Je m'en calisse.
What I never understood is, if the gate satalite was in orbit above Lantea, how did the Asurans get that gate to activate and not the Atlantis gate? Shouldn't the Atlantis gate superseed any other gate because of the DHD? If the Atlantis gate was a Milky way model then it would make sense but it's a Pegasus model, the same as the gate satalite.
They could have dialed from the satellite. We know certain forms of energy, such as EM, can be transmitted both ways.
@@arsarma1808 i guess, but an EMP is very different to whatever the hell the Replicators shot at Atlantis 😂
@@lukegauci1159 actually everything can be transmitted both ways, the wormhole itself is completely symmetrical, it is the de and reconstruction process that the gates put matter through to have it arrive in one piece on the other side that introduces directionality.
But in principle if I toss a brick into the dialed wormhole it would arrive at the other end, pretty much every atom would arrive in the wrong position but they would arrive.
Now in practice the gates will try to convert the matter but of course fail horribly since the gate that is set up for reconstructing the matter receives the matter so there isn't even a guarantee the brick would arrive as atoms but it will still arrive in some shape or form.
So there is a Chevron missing on the gate which may be the reason or may be just a mistake but in general the gate that was last moved to a spot takes presedence.
Apart from that the Asurans fully understand the code that controls gate operations and we know that gate specific addresses, which are not actually location specific, are also a thing. So maybe that gate was set up to be dialed this way or maybe every gate can actually be dialed directly independently of it's position, it's just not part of the normal UI and somewhere hidden in the Gate OS debug options and most factions just aren't aware of it.
ok who ever the fuck is watching me STOP IT!...i literaly just watched this episode 5 minutes ago on dvd and now i get this recomanded on youtube....
The stargate universe as the most op and powerful spaceship and weapons in term of scifi in my opinion
I'm looking for a stargate related music video that had the nuke scene at 0:52 in it. Can anyone help me out?
Why didn’t the most technically advanced replicators in the galaxy have the most primitive air defense system?
Weird, alien tech stuff is ALWAYS protected with a shield, DUH....
not the satellite in season 1 duh
Thumbs up for Ellis
A gate with a shield we are so screwed now.
I don't remember, were they out of drones at this point? Because I would think a volley of drones would have made short work of that satellite.
The shield gets the energy through the laser. The 3 missiles weakened the laser because the power was used to regenerate the shield, so Shepard wanted to fire drones, but Mckay said that even if he would fire all drones, the shield wouldn´t fail
It is a very small shield powered by possibly multiple ZPMs (depending on how much energy you divert to it and how much energy they pumped into the beam).
They would definitely not have gotten through that shield
Asurans=/=Replicators
Just like why M1A2 doesn't equal Challenger 2 despite both being MBTs employed by NATO forces on planet Earth.
This was shoehorned in and setting up villification and destruction of Asurans was one of the biggest mistakes the show writers did:(
My day in the Trappist system.
Actually, in the Star Trek TOS, there was a romulan commander who used a nuclear device to badly damage the Enterprise.
That's TOS era writing for you. or it was detonated inside the shields. A single photon torpedo at default yield is equal to a 50 megaton nuke at least.
Why does it have only 8 chevrons? Stargates have 9 and even the spacegates in this series have a visible 9th chevron.
reasonable explanation is that the replicators made the gate specifically fine tuned it for the weapon and figured the 9th chevron was not needed.
It’s was a Canadian show and wouldn’t be plausible without U.S military taking the lead role, to compensate they made the one Canadian the smartest person in the room.
what kind of yield does the warheads in the Horizon system have?
Atleast 10 gigatons (or around half a million hiroshima bombs), they used naquadria enhanced nuclear bombs. stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_IX
wow, that's very powerful. definitely more powerful than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right?
550000x more powerful!
the naquadah enhances their power and increases the damage caused.
I think it was said to be around 280 gigaton nukes, that's over 13 million times the yield of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs, for each of the Horizon's bombs.
J'aurais bien aimer une version 1080p de la série.
Dam those nukes are beautiful
By the size of those explosions, if they launched more, they could of covered the entire planet.
If they had used a gate overloader on the asuras gate would it have done more damage than the nukes
Missile made in ACME
Best episode EVER
"Oh no, this tiny satellite is firing a beam!" There's no way it has the thrust to overpower your big ship, just go and push it out of orbit.
It has sensors and directional thrusters though, so if the Apollo tried to get any closer the Asurans could've just aimed the beam at it and blew it up.
@dark zeratul It has vastly lower mass, no way it has enough thrust to avoid being deorbited by a bigger ship. It's also going to have a tough time rotating once you're already pushing it.
Daedalus class can re-enter and fly in atmosphere ,that thing probably can't.
@dark zeratul Did you miss the part where they said "There's no way it has the thrust to overpower your big ship" It has thrust, but not more than that huge interplanetary ship. Lol.
@@lezhilo772 only if the gate can be turned in the first place, just hit it from the back.
@@8vantor8 The shielding appears to be rounded and it takes ~16 seconds for it to pivot on an axis from the ship to the city, safe to say that if the ship tried to de-orbit it that it would just rotate in place and punch a big hole through the less-advanced ship's hull.
The Replicator satelite was pointless they could have done the same without it just dial the Atlantis gate and start blasting, pretty sure the gate forcefield is weaker than the city force fields by a lot. even if that didn't destroy the city it would have taken all their energy and they could have followed up with just walking in there and killing everyone since the shield would be gone.
Dont think so. Replicators had knowledge and power how to create ZPMs. 1 Full ZPM can protect full city a while, city is big. But even 1 ZPM can protect little gate alot longer and who knows how much ZPMs they used to protect that gate.
No. They have the capacity to focus their shield anywhere in and around the city as they please. The demonstrated this when the Ancient weapon caused their stargate to explode and they focused the entire zpm on the stargate to contain the explosion. Since the shield could maintain under the attack for awhile even while spread out to cover the whole city, there's no problem with the shield covering a small area like the stargate for a much longer period of time.
@@salaciousBastard that's actually a good question, is the collapsed city shield stronger?
Cause sure it is more focused but it also operates in a shape that is far from what it is designed for so I would imagine that weakens it quite a bit.
They could not prevent Atlantis from just yeeting the gate into hyperspace to get rid of it if it's the Atlantis gate.
dam it fire the beam weapons...what do u mean they don't exist yet?
If the shield is anything like Atlantis', and it probably is since Asurans emulate ancient tech/society, then as long as its got the power it doesn't collapse. And that beam ain't running out of beam any time soon.
had they been faster and hit it before the gate activated they could have destroyed it
The Laser was sanctimoniously projecting a weapons and powering both the gate and it's shield. The beam had a near limitless supply of energy as it was being powered by ZPM's aswell. This is why they had to move Atlantis because they couldn't destroy the beam gate because they didn't have the firepower to penetrate it's shield.