@@lilquorey723 humanity doesnt die though lol how is Bran keeping humanity going? Is he writing the books? Is even doing anything other than flying birds? No hes not. Hes not going to use any of his powers to beat Cersei because theres Nothing he can do. Bran is useless, his powers are useless and really his entire arc was pointless.
@@OrcistCleaver Bran and his powers are useless? The ability to see what everyone is doing all the time combined with an assassin like Arya is the ultimate weapon. Bran can literally just tell Arya exactly what Qyburn's daily routine is who his servants are and when they are alone. He can give her everything she needs to get Qyburn's face and get close to Cersei and assassinate her. They don't even need to have a battle with Cersei. Bran and Arya could single handedly win the iron throne.
The episode was eye pleasing and had me on the edge of my seat. That being said, the plot armor was thick and everyone in the crypt should have been killed.
Everyone dying in the crypt was not an option as soon as Dany commanded Tyrion to be down there and Arya sent Sansa down there. Everyone else in the crypt could have died but not those 2. They still have major roles to play.
People mad no one died in battle which is EXPECTED. People gonna be BIG MAD when iconic characters get killed over petty shit like the throne...and its coming. Case and point: Bronn is suppose to kill the Lannister brothers and everyone was like "Bronn wont do it." Now....after going north and seeing how decimated Dany's army is, why would Bronn choose to give up the gold and castle to side with people that will probably lose against Cersei and the Golden Company cause Dany's army is tiny. Things are a little different now. this show has always been about politics. The walkers came in and everyone focused on that like we were watching Lord of the Rings 2.0. Its crazy because everyone that doesn't like the episode are angry that the show didn't do what they expected it to do. But the whole point of the show and the books is to subvert traditional tales of heroism and stuff.
Preach the truth bother! Ep. 3 was the most beautiful, epic, steaming pile of fan service bullshit since since Frodo woke up to hobbits jumping on homoerotic white sheets
Key True, but it is also fanservice to be too scared to kill any major character. Theon, Jorah and Melisandre all had finished their journey. All they had left to do was die, and they are the only ones who did.
It takes a special kind of insecurity to call friends being happy to see their friend not dead 'homoerotic' haha holy shit, go get laid or something. Fuck. haha
Key. I totally agree with you; not having Jon engage on ANY real level with the NK was a huge fan let down. But the bulletproof, kevlar plot armor D&D clad their top tier characters in was an egregious attempt at fan service. GOT is no longer grounded in the reality that GRRM created:(
Question 3v3ryth1ng Haha! If you have any single ladies that like an overly opinionated GOT fan please feel free to send them my way. In all seriousness tho, there is NOTHING wrong with friends hugging in joy or even being 100% homosexual. I’m an advocate for gay rights and I even used to bartend at a gay bar for a few months (good way to meet single ladies btw...no competition from other dudes lol). But my attempt at humor in regards to the LOTR reference still stands. Gandalf’s slightly creepy smirk and adult hobbits bouncing around in bed was def a bit homoerotic!
I mostly agree with Andrew. All the characters went through predictable familiar tropes. I have been constantly surprised by the turns that Georges story took, but this episode seems like it was written by a fan. It seemed very clear that it's not the same writer anymore, and does not have Georges vibe.
Nothing To See Here you realize if they killed everyone like they’ve been doing everyone would complain that game of thrones is only about killing important characters. Let’s not forget Theon, Jorah and beric all died this episode, they died redemption saving people they had wronged in the past. Beric died saving Arya Jorah died saving danny Theon died saving bran Beric was on Arya’s list. Jorah was originally ordered to spy and execute danny, then banished when she found out the truth ( though she forgave him prior to this, his destiny was always to be in her service to till the end Theon took the castle from bran. If none of this screams game of thrones to you then y’all haven’t been paying attention and you’re allowing regulars like Schulz cloud your judgment on what this show is about. The last time this show massacred a large amount of key players was the red wedding, how corny would it be to keep using that same card to draw emotion from its fans
@@Southforthewinter they've been building up the threat of the white walkers for the last 3 seasons, there should be no way Breanne, Jamie, or samwell should have survived. This was just lazy writing through and through honestly. Arya killing the night the way it happend was honestly extremely disappointing. It felt like such a cheap death. They also just threw away such a major part of the story without much of a conclusion. The shows writers are trash, they should have just waited for George RR Martin to finish the real story becuase this just seems rushed and directionless.
Carl do you know how long it would take for Martin to finish writing that book? You want the tv show to wait 5 fucking years and hen air the last season......also how would you have wanted him to die? Cause nobody stood a chance hand to hand one on one, he was immune to dragon fire, the ONLY way to beat him was stealth. And idk if y’all forgot but he was killed with cats paw...the very same blade that’s been so integral to this shows turmoil, and from SEASONS ago the red woman told Arya she would shut many eyes forever, brown eyes, green eyes, BLUE eyes. To me the ending was perfect, I would’ve loved to see jon go one on one with the night king but if we wanna be consistent jon would’ve been wrecked within 5 seconds. The ONLY reason jon killed that white walker during hardhome was because they didn’t know valerian steel could beat them. I’m guessing you guys forgot that too, but jon was getting his ass whooped until that clutch moment. It seems to me like everyone is complaining but have no other outcome or solution as to how they could’ve caped it off in a glorious way. Also the move Arya pulled was the same one she used when she was practicing with brienne, YOU GUYS HAVENT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. Plain and simple. If you watch the show and check Twitter at the same time then I don’t wanna hear shit you have to say lol. The writers did the best they could, but of course it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t. You’re all a bunch of entitled babies man.
Nothing To See Here no shit, the show is beyond the books so how could it possibly have the same feel. The only reason you guys are unsatisfied is because you set unrealistic expectations to a show that’s giving us a lot. That episode alone was and hour and a half....that’s a fucking movie dude. But nah y’all still not happy. Smh
arya went through her entire show story in this one episode.. library, learning to be quick as a snake and silent as a shadow, her running around the hallways like she escaped kings landing, callbacks from melesandra from when they met and "what do we say.." and she being rescued by the hound like the time they spent together, and her fighting with the stick weapon like she trained to do for like almost 2 season in the house of black and white, and then sneaking up on the night king like she did to jon right there in the previous episode.. And so much more insane stuff like in SEASON 1(!) when theon stands with robb under that tree and they talk about war with the lannisters and theon says that if there is a war he will stand with the starks! I hate when people who just now tunes in to the show to see some action starts shitting on this masterpiece when they have no idea what they're talking about! like they're not having a plan with the dragons? their mission is the night king, and plot armor? they killed 4 season 1 characters, and two other big characters, name one other movie/show that did that in one episode or one battle?
John Smith 1. that superhero film has made 2 BILLION dollars. 2. they’re being compared because they released days apart and both have huge cultural impact around the world. GOT being compared to Endgame is a huge accomplishment not a downfall. headass boy
A dragon that had no trouble causally destroying a 1000ft wall of ice, and should be able to melt stone and rock, could not harm John from behind a small pile of rubble that didnt even occlude his whole body
@@supamarc85 we dont want everyone to die. The writers wrote people into situations where they should have died. Tje fact that they didnt die is what makes it bad.
Danny looked like an idiot for letting her 2 armies, and the strongest armies at that, be used in the front lines as cannon fodder and without dragon glass
I love how pointless riding the dragons are. Pretty sure those dragons could have done just fine without you clinging onto it's back for dear life. So dumb.
@@MrSundaynighttt you much have pretty low standards. It looked cool sure, but made no sense and was way below the standard set by the first few seasons of GOT.
@@MrSundaynightttWhich parts did you specifically like about the episode? I could give you my pain points, but I'd very much like to know why you think it's so great compared to other seasons/episodes of game of thrones.
@@MrSundaynighttt she was training to be an assassin, not a magician. She literally ran up behind the night king and stabbed him. meanwhile directly behind him, encompasing him in a circle, are houndreds of wights and walkers. all of whom apparently have exceptional hearing like what we saw in the library scene with one hearing blood dripping from Arya's forehead admist all the noise they were making
So I guess now we are all ready for it to happen again with kings landing? Following you reasoning to its logical conclusion I guess no one will die? The reason they aren't killing people is because they've strayed away from Martin's books, the series has been deteriorating ever since. My expectations were extremely low going into this episode and they still managed to fuck it up. I saw so many main characters covered by wights then get away unscathed moments later, only to happen all over again; twice at least per character. Jeorah magically survives that ridiculous charge at the start, only to teleport into the middle of nowhere and save dany, Arya teleporting magically and sneaking through hundreds of wights standing shoulder to shoulder surrounding the night king to assassinate him with a cheap parlour trick.. so much more was wrong with this terrible episode.
@@Immortalizes Arya killing the Night King is probably also in the books, as it is exactly the kind of surprising resolution more people should have seen coming. As for people being "safe" in the next few episodes, you wanna bet?
@@Ex0dus111 her killing the night king isn't my problem, its how it happened. She magically teleports all the way there, some how sneaks through an entire horde of wights standing shoulder to shoulder when, apparently their hearing is so good they can hear the blood dripping off her forehead, Yet she magically gets so close to the night king with no wights raising an alarm aside from one walker turning its head. Then she kills him in an extrnely unsatisfying way I liked the fact that both her conversation with the red lady hinted at the possibility of her her killing him. It just should've been done way better. Also, I don't believe everyone will be safe in the coming episodes. I was highlighting how poor your justification for them not killing anyone is. "Ohh... it's because we were expecting it"
Lol this is what happens when things go main stream...they turn to shit. The minute moms and 13 year old kids started talking about GOT in 2017 I knew this would would be it. My only disappointment was that they built up the Night King for 8 seasons only to have him the easiest death ever. He did not fight anyone in his biggest battle. The season just felt rushed
I think it has more to do with the fact they (the HBO writers) caught up with the books and didn't have George RR Martin's quality material to use for the last seasons.
1) why was it so dark? 2) 7 seasons worth of build up and the night king gone in seconds? 3) they killed all the Dothraki in a minute but a one handed Jamie and a crying Sam who were swamped with the whites survived the whole battle? 4) How useless is bran? 5) for a battle that was supposed to be the biggest in television history, you couldn’t see shit and everyone survived 6)not nearly enough people died. Literally everyone survived. I mean we are supposed to be sad about Theon? And Jorah?
Totally agree with Andrew and his frustration with the episode, and his friend about the show going down hill since the episode 'beyond the wall' and even before that.
I'm okay with the idea of Arya killing the NK in theory, but it practice it felt too easy and really unearned. I think the biggest issue with the episode, that nearly every other issue stemmed from, was the fact that all the nameless soldiers just disappear after a certain point and we're left with only main characters struggling against thousands of wights. With just a few changes, their ending could have worked much better. Imagine the NK and his entourage of walkers entering the Godswood, while Jon struggles to fight his way to him to stop them. Only this time, our other heroes like Arya, Jaime, Brienne, and Tormund see him and break off from the fight to follow him, leaving the nameless living soldiers that are left to fight and die with the wights. They desperately push through into the Godswood, only to be met by the NK's escort of white walkers trying to prevent them from getting to the NK. The rest of the heroes engage the walkers, allowing Jon to face the NK. We prepare for a climactic final duel between them, only when they finally clash, its not even close. The NK absolutely overwhelms Jon, showing off the inhuman speed and strength we've seen from the walkers previously. He's just toying with Jon, until finally Jon is completely defeated and NK moves to finish him off. As he goes for the killing blow, Arya appears and kills him like she did in the episode. The NKs death saves Jon, and a few of the other heroes who were about to fall to the walkers. I honestly think this would solve most of the major holes in this episode's story. Instead of Arya appearing from thin air, unnoticed by the entire army of dead behind the NK, she's now established to be in the proximity and the rest of undead and walkers have a legitimate reason for not noticing her move to kill NK. The other heroes like Jaime, Brienne, etc now aren't spending the entire episode neck deep in wights and still somehow surviving. Jon gets a proper moment with the NK, and our expectations are still subverted when it turns out our hero is not even close to a match for him.
Big props to Andrew for his opinion but he went way overboard for this one! It's Game of Thrones, not Game of Winter! You want to kill 80% of the cast and then have Cersei run a train on everyone in the final two episodes! Get outta here!
illmatic899 i have my issues with the episode/season but Andrew is a “new” fan and isn’t truly invested in the story lines and characters. That’s why he feels the way he feels. Cersei was always the true main villain, the night king was just over used as promo and marketing material. So the hype for this episode and that story line was a little over exposed . This is the “game” of thrones not the game of winter as you so clearly stated.
@@Thisthat1234 did u people read those 6 Fucking books that were all leading up to the fucking night king. Cersei as the main protagonist is the weakest shit I have ever heard, ugh this is so pathetic. This show started going south from season 5
@@Thisthat1234 what a load of crap, there are plenty of people who aren't "new" fans who hate this episode, they just share something similar with Andrew, a brain!. "oh wow what an intelligent comment, you didn't even back anything up you said, you're just throwing insults".. yeah buddy, something tells me you're not worth the time, there's so much valid criticism everywhere and that's the defense you came up with? oh boy, you must've also planned the defense of winterfell then.
I thought the Night King was the end-all-be-all-big-bad. That's why I'm disappointed. I loved the episode, but I'm bummed that that storyline ended so abruptly.
thats what i said we have been waiting for this night for years and they ended it in 1 episode that too with not that much of heartbreak at the end of the episode i was like "Thats It?"
Was the only episode I was scared for anything in GoT for a long time. Turns out not a lot of people died. Meh Idc. But its fun that Andrew is so pissed, I could watch 2 hours of him bitching xD
The battle of the bastards was way more intense. Also I did predict Arya killing the NK ever since her training with the faceless men ended...sure my comment about it is Floating out there somewhere.
Was fine with Arya killing the NK but the way they wrote that was garbage.. like there are so many different ways you could of got to that moment, other than her somehow materializing out of thin air past all of the white walkers and a horde of wigts to kill him. I can't believe they didn't have any of the WW or the NK even swing a sword and none of the main characters fought anything other than the mindless horde of wights. So so so so baddddddd.
That story line is to predict her killing Cersei, not the NK. That is reserved for Azor Ahai/The Prince or Princess that was Promised, aka Jon or Dany.
right, people don’t understand they don’t have time to develop characters to make us give a shit about them so they can’t kill off the developed characters we already give a shit about right now.
But wouldn’t be stupid if they were to loose more peoples to cercei than the knight king?!! For fuck sake just send a Drogon and Kinkgs landing won’t last a day. Fuck that just send Arya to kL and both cercei an euron would die within a week
Some people? NO ONE whose story wasn’t already finished died. No one. All Theon had left to do was die for the Starks. All Jorah had left to do was die for Dany. Melisandre could have been left out completely. The Dothraki blades and fire wall meant nothing, and her story was finished.
this dude said that sansa should have fought her own mother and father in the crypt when neds head is in kings landing and Kats body never left riverrun. They dont know shit about the show its actually hilarious
@@VVhawks51 Bro they literally started talking about the Sand Snakes in Dorne and said "wait is the mom still alive? oh yeah she is maybe they can ally with her".. Not remembering that they were all killed last season. They thought Dracarys was the name of the fucking dragon... Real talk they're probably just casual viewers that watch because of the hype.
Phantom Bean so would you prefer it if all your favorite characters died and were eaten by wights??? I think professional writers know more about writing a successful tv show than you do
@@oliverconnolly1963 i would prefer that if they wrote people into situations where they should die, then they should die. They obvioulsy dont, since all the good seasons were written by GRRM
You watched it on a shit screen I had zero problems with that. Watch it again but in higher quality and on a better screen. The dark visuals have obviously to do with the plot. And it was a battle tactic of the Night King. Edit: Cersei was always going to be the final villain because GOT at its heart is about the human story. We would get no gratification if a lot of the main cast died from faceless whites.
noisemagician no, fuck this, i’m tired of everybody saying this... the whole show WAS about the politics, the whole point of the white walkers was to show how meaningless it all is in the grand scheme when faced with an enemy like the WW, a threat against all the living... this was supposed to be the pinnacle of danger, 1 episode, 1 battle, couple of mid-level character deaths, if anything it just shows that all characters not named Jon were right to just ignore it for 7 seasons
Bran needs to start doing more. He's one of the most powerful characters in the show, but all he does is warg into some crows. Massive waste of potential
Anthony Sclafani one of the most? he is literally the all-seeing, all-knowing, time traveler who can also warg animals and at least some ppl... i am astounded they haven’t killed him, he is useless to the plot
I feel like people overlook everything that episode did right and just nitpick whatever they hated about it. Can I just give a shoutout to the sound designer of that episode? HOLYSH*T. Credit's given where it's due guys.
Not really. The visuals and the soundtrack have been carrying this show for 4 seasons at least. Coincidentally, writing has been in free fall for the same amount of time.
Whackashit is there no lengths the show fans won’t go to? is there no point where you just say enough is enough? they could literally take the whole plot away, make it like a black and white silent film, and you ppl would still cheer at the expression on Dany’s face when X happened
Whackashit that’s one thing... you’re basically nitpicking for something good, when everything else was bad... sure the music was cool, there were some cool fight sequences, but that doesn’t excuse this shit
Yea but that doesnt make it any less disappointing. The white Walker threat was supoose to the ultimate threat yet they killed of the night king like he wasnt even an important character. Definitely ruined the entire season for me honestly. The Cersei story line isnt even that good. Jamie will kill her and Danny is gonna turn into the mad queen. The white Wallers should have played a bigger role. This is why they should have waited for the books to come out instead of letting HBO fuck up the rest of the series
If the Night King would have won tonights episode, he will literally be unstoppable. He would have all of Winterfells army including the Dothraki and the Unsullied. Night King will march down to Kings landing and wipe Cersei and his army in a second. Then the show would be over. They had to kill The Night King off in episode 3.
@@chronocross85 lol the night kings army was already unstoppable..... which is why they wrote such a shitty ending for him. Theres no way any one in winterfell should have survived. The fact that arya came out of litterally no where to deliver the white Walker ending blow is extremely lazy. Killing of all the white walkers in one episode is extremely lazy, the writing for this show is getting worse and worse and too many people are blind fand to the point that their okay with any ending regardless of how long they've invested in to watching this series. Overall I though the episode was good but the ending honestly ruins the whole show for me. Like I couldnt careless how it goes from here
Yea but who really cares about who sits on the throne? The last 3 season's have been about how serious the night king is and they threw all that away with a 15 second death that barely made any sense. Seems like a shitty way to end a conflict that they've been building up for the last 3 years.
It's called Game of Thrones.. The show in its essence is political based.. If you felt the Night King and white walkers were really that important you watched for the wrong reasons.. I agree there should've been a major death, other than that I wasn't disappointed.. Andrew sounds like a hater plain and simple.. He's in a minority.. The real battle starts now..
@@jamesprice8983 who cares what it's called? All the writing and earlier episodes for the last 3 seasons have been pointing to the threat of the white walkers being bigger than it was portrayed, and after all that they lazily killed off the King which is a waste of the last 3 years.... if you watch the show you know Cersei isnt winning shit and you know Danny is gonna turn into the mad queen. All that shit is extremely predictable, and game of thrones should be everything but predictable.
@@jamesprice8983 Bullshit , even Jon himself was preaching how the fight against the white walkers is waaaay more important than the Throne , even from season 1 , they were clearly emphasising on this fight , I mean even the goddamn show's slogan is" Winter is coming "
@@Cobhammarthe last 3 seasons have been leading up to the white walkers being a huge threat, then it of no where arya pops out and kills the night king along with the whole army? It just felt like they didnt know how to end it, and what now? I'm suppose to be excited for who takes the throne? Barley any one important even died. I just feel like George RR Martin should have been the head writer of the series instead of them just following how he wanted the series to end.
How could you think no one of substance died? Theon was one of the greatest characters on the show, if not the best. He has an amazing character arc. Jorah was an awesome character as well. He devoted his whole last part of his life to Dany, and his was one of the most heroic deaths we’ve seen on the entire show. He sacrificed himself for her and that was the way that he would have wanted to go out. And then Beric Dondarian’s death was awesome too. He fulfilled his destiny. Everybody who survived has a purpose in the fight against Cersei. Which brings me to my next point... We don’t know a lot about the night king. We don’t have any sort of emotional attachment or resentment towards him. He was the most formidable enemy for sure, but there’s not a lot in his background that we know that would provide much catharsis once he died or won the battle. There are so many more ties between the surviving characters and Cersei that will provide the cathartic experience I think you were unfairly expecting for this episode. Yes the episode was dark and hard to see. I think they could have done better with that. But it was still suspenseful, action packed, and had some tremendously entertaining fight sequences. And it wasn’t just suspenseful because of what we were expecting going into this episode. It was suspenseful because they had some Hitchcock-Esque film directing going on in this episode. The first ten minutes: so suspenseful. Arya in the library: horror movie suspense. The slow walk to Bran: impractical for the night king, but purposeful so the two could share that ent that we may hear more about, and suspenseful. Overall it was a great episode. I just think you were expecting too much from the night king.
Schulz is just whining because they didn't kill anyone he wanted them to kill. This notion that GoT just randomly kills off people is false. The writers, and in the earlier seasons, George R.R. Martin set up plot lines and in order for those plotlines characters have to survive. We wouldn't resolve this Dany/Jon thing if one of them died, we wouldn't get any Bronn conflict with Jaime and Tyrion if they died. And so on and so forth. This idea that main characters are always dying off is dumb. The last major good character to die off outside of Jon was what, Rob? The major deaths in the beginning were to drive home the point that you can't survive in Westeros without a bit of darkness to you. Guess what? Mostly everyone here has learned that lesson.
" The major deaths in the beginning were to drive home the point that you can't survive in Westeros without a bit of darkness to you " Bruh ? This comment is sorely underrated !! The blood lust is real . Although the NightKing's death was tad anti-climactic .
I don't have a problem with characters surviving my beef is how the hell did Sam survive and Jorah didn't Sam had no business being out there my only beef with the night king death was that it was too easy of a kill it felt force and too much fanservice
GAME OF THRONES is about the fight for the throne. That has always been the main storyline. NK was a part of the show all along but his was never meant to be the main battle of the show. The big climactic moment of the entire show should be the battle for the throne.
@@fantasma.b it's called a song OF ICE AND FIRE AND IN 6 BOOKS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DAMN WHITE WALKERS AND U CLAIM IT'S ABOUT THE THRONES AND THE WHITES DON'T MATTER.......... AM SO LIVID WITH YALL LAMES.
@@nolanb4004 literally the show was made to follow the book that's why grrMartin hesitated at first, many people had asked him to make a show out of the book but he said no until D&D and they had said to follow the book as they did from season 1 to 5, the hbo show is meant to be the book but a visual representation........ But not anymore I guess that's why its getting shittier. I never expected got to end in a crappy way...... Damn.... Life hits u like a truck.
Are you for real? The whole point of building up the night king through the seasons is to show he's unbeattable, by ANYONE, and this shows in the 'dracaris' scene. There was only one way to 'undo' the night king, a divine flawless creature, and that was used properly. No bulldog warrior oe dragon could get even close to the night king but a small stealthy assassin who had to use cunning too (the knife trick). The episode delivered brilliantly. Best episode so far.Deal with it.
@@yucaipawarrior Arya who has been groomed not to fear death since season 1 when her water dancer from Bravos taught her the motto "What do we say to death?". Then the faceless assassin from Bravos she encounters in season 2 sees something in her that leads him to recruit her. How many people do you think faceless assassins give that coin to? Then she encounters Melisandre who from the moment she sees her says that she will play a huge role in the future. Then she turns in her coin, goes to Bravos, and is surrounded by death. She washes dead bodies, removes faces, and trains to be a killer. She learns more than any other character about "the god of death". Then she returns and Bran gives her catspaw, a dagger that has more lore surrounding it than I can even get into right now, because he knows what she is capable of. They have been setting up Arya to kill the night king from the very beginning. This wasn't some out of nowhere twist. The writers on the show even said on inside the episode that they knew Arya was going to kill the night king since 3 seasons ago. Meaning that information came from George RR Martins mouth. Arya was always destined to kill the night king and she will also do it in the books. I'm sure the way she will do it in the books will be way more clever though but that's why it takes George 5+ years to write it.
@@roflrofl1234rofl Not complaining that she was the one to do it, but I would have liked to seen some build up rather than her just appearing. They made it plain as day when she talked to Mel right before leaving the castle that she was going to be the one to do it. But for them to be building this up since the very first scene of the show to have it end like that was very disappointing. It is a pet peeve of mine when in TV/movies everything seems doomed but the solution takes all of two seconds, it leaves the entire build up and time spent on the problem feel very hollow, which is the same that was done here.
@its nate First of all you don't have to know about your destiny for it to be your destiny that's not how destiny works. Secondly you are just wrong. She is a Stark, of course she knows about the white walkers. She grew up on stories about them just like it showed Bran hearing one in season 1. George has been setting her up to kill the night king since the beginning.
How do you think it should have ended? Please answer me because I've been asking this question all day and no one is answering me. The show is called Game of Thrones, not White Walkers is Coming. The White Walkers have been defeated before so I want to know what's the issue with them being defeated again.
Anyone who expected the Night King to be the final boss doesn't understand the fundamental concept of GOT. It's about how power is dangerous and corrupts. The biggest threat to humanity is humanity, that's the whole concept of the show. Cersei was always supposed to be the primary villain
WRONG!!!!! you realize if they killed everyone like they’ve been doing everyone would complain that game of thrones is only about killing important characters. Let’s not forget Theon, Jorah and beric all died this episode, they died redemption saving people they had wronged in the past. Beric died saving Arya Jorah died saving danny Theon died saving bran Beric was on Arya’s list. Jorah was originally ordered to spy and execute danny, then banished when she found out the truth ( though she forgave him prior to this, his destiny was always to be in her service to till the end Theon took the castle from bran. If none of this screams game of thrones to you then y’all haven’t been paying attention and you’re allowing regulars like Schulz cloud your judgment on what this show is about. The last time this show massacred a large amount of key players was the red wedding, how corny would it be to keep using that same card to draw emotion from its fans Andrew is being dramatic because his ego wanted to be able to predict where this show was going. Night kings plot was always Jon’s story arch not the entire show, but because he was so epic and mysterious people quickly thought he was the main villain ( a dude with no dialogue) and forgot how we have been watching Cersei manipulate, scheme, and kill her way to the top. She’s always been the final boss. The 7 kingdoms didn’t even believe in the mythical creatures beyond the wall until LAST season. The people who where disappointed by this episode are the same people who say game of thrones is about dragons. I refuse to let normies give this show and its legacy a mediocre end. They did a great job with this episode, the ONLY thing they should have gave us was a one on one with jon and the night king. And even still I think it was a cool flex for night king to look at jon and simply raise the dead on him cause he wanted bran and bran only. The wall and the white walkers have always been a stark legend and it was fitting for it to finish in winterfell with jon, Arya and bran being the starks who always had a connection to the mythical side of this story. In the books the starks are all wargs if I’m not mistaken. This was their battle. Not the entire shows battle. Sorry for the rant but it had to be said
KingCrustyTut you’re just a normie and most of the shows transactions go over your head. This battle had redemption deaths. Beric died saving Arya Jorah died saving danny Theon died saving bran If you actually know the show then you know that all these characters once wronged the people they died saving.
The ending was trash af tho, I dont think arya should have been the one to kill the night king, it just felt like lazy writing. Such a cheap death for what was suppose to be the ultimate bad ass
How is a ninja acting like a ninja lazy? Not 20 mins early Arya snuck through a library full of zombies you think she can't sneak through the godswood? lmfao
dude really you can’t believe it? It’s not like she’s been this evil tyrant bitch who has caused chaos throughout the kingdoms in her quest for power. The night king was jon snows story arch. The north. And that’s where the battle took place and finished. It’s game of thrones not game of dead
@@Southforthewinter I mean, Undead Thanos vs mortal woman? Night King should have at least swung his sword once. Immune to dragon fire but not immune to steel imbued with dragon fire? Dothraki not being used as flanking units like normal cavalry but instead charging out into their deaths? Night King should have lasted at least 2 episodes with all of the years of build up. Last long night lasted a generation, this short night lasted an episode. Great episode but poor writing with so much plot armor and plot holes
dude I think the whole point of valerian steel is that it’s the most powerful element in their universe. Second it wasn’t even Arya vs night king ...it was a stealth attack. One hit one kill. Any swinging from the night king would be instant death. Sure there was plot armor for some characters but their obviously leaning towards Cersei storyline over the night king storyline.( who never had many scene to begin with) It’s the people’s fault for building such hype behind him. In order for this long night to last like the last one they would have to lose the battle and that’s not what the writers wanted to do. And knowing how ridiculous humans are if night king would’ve washed the north you guys till would’ve cried “ all those years just to see them lose waaaaa” A show that is this critically acclaimed and such a cultural phenomena is going to have everyone and their grandma nit pick their own personal opinions about how THEY want it to end, you guys can’t step outside yourselves and be appreciative of what these producers, writers, actors and the entire team have given us all those years. Took them 2 years to film this last season. And all that can be tossed out the window because a bunch of normies wanna complain and write reviews to tarnish the reputation this show has built. There’s no such thing as a perfect episode....plain and simple
James Murphy plot twist. Danny is the final boss. She snapped, went mad queen and has a god damn dragon. Night king and Cersei where just distractions, the real villain was mascarading as a savior the entire time
There is a difference between doing the unexpected and doing the ridiculous and unrealistic, the red wedding was unexpected but well received cause it made sense so was the hodor situation, this..... This was utterly random garbage, they shared a story with us teasing us about this threat for 7 seasons and grrm teased it for 6 books and jon and dany being the promised and then arya pops up with her teenage mutant ninja turtle self and pokes him in the stomach, and that's it........WHAT THE FUCK?!!!
@@seoluniverse5417 The Night King WAS a threat. He was a force of nature that had to be dealt with. He's not some human character that gets development.
@@seoluniverse5417 Also in the books the Night King is a legendary figure not an living being. So the show started changing shit well before it left the books.
those who really complain about the darkness are not real GoT fans, they watch GoT like a firework show, they just want awesome action.. But GoT is first of all a great story, and to me it's really clear that the darkness was very intended, and smart, because you're supposed to be scared for the characters you love and writing 101; it's always more scary with the things you cant see, they created fear, chaos and emotions going up and down and fucking sideways, like the dragon fight, I didn't see who was who, "was I supposed to be happy or scared about that scratch?" the episode totally kicked my ass! Also it's easier for the CGI, so the option would be longer waiting time for the season and/or higher budget, meaning something else would be cut, but I would still want it the way it was. There was just one thing, I wish jon had killed the dragon at the end, it dies anyway, would be cooler if jon had a sick fight with it instead of it just dying with the rest.. 10/10 (99/100)
seol cake I’ve watched every marvel movie. I liked avengers a lot. But I went straight from the theater and to thrones. It just reminded me how gangster thrones is.
Both dragons are alive Ghost is alive Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes = lord frey, night king, Cersie Considering Tyrion had more tv minutes than any other character, he should play a huge role later. Maybe kill Cersie
I would suggest this ending, I call it "The DBZ style ending": John runs behind the night king, the night king wants to raise the dead and John struggles to keep the Night king's arms down, while the Night king slowly raises his arms John tells Danny to rain fire among both of them (This is why the ending is DBZ style). Danny does try to burn both of them, but after the fire clears, she notices non of them got affected by fire. Only one thin remains aflame, John's sword. They (John's and the Night Kings) both draw their swords and start fighting, while the undead come to help the Night King, Danny rains dragon fire to everyone (The undead, the Night King and John). Lastly, John kills the Night King with the flaming sword. That's it. Danny accepts John is a true targaryen and we all can finally rest in peace.
Y'all mad at this episode but when the walkers magically had chains,swam underwater and pulled a dragon out THAT wasn't insane nonsense? I like the show but expected consistency or reasonability is futile
I think the issue that people like Andrew have with this episode, and the resolution of the Night King storyline is that he/they think this whole story has been about the wight walkers, and how they will be defeated, when the story is in facts about the "game of thrones" and the wight walkers are just a tasty side dish to that story.
if you pause in the episode 4 preview , you can see there are 2 dragons still alive :D i believe the show had to take a total different route from the books , in order to still make the next book enjoyable ; there were some emotional moments during the fight , but all in all they managed to surprise us by not killing so many important characters ; and that's because how you shoot a series , and how you keep the payroll justified for the show
This would fix it all for me! Arya gets cocky and tries to kill Cersei, maybe with Jamie’s face. I dunno. And then the mountain beats her to death. The Hound sees this and loses it.! Or she uses Jamie’s face and Bron kills her by accident!!!
....I thought Andrew was trolling, but wtf??? How disappointed that he's complaining like the people who never watched past seasons and just started now
Alberto Rynda he likes the attention of being a contrarian, he isn’t even truly a fan of the show he jumped on the wagon so he could have an opinion on such a culturally polarizing show, he’s only salty cause he fell for the okey doke and wanted to be that guy who predicts everything
I 100% agree here....throughout the whole episode literally left right and centre so much stupid decisions were going on and the resolution of this episode and the entire series is a huge slap in the face and I hardly care for the last 3 episodes...but atleast they won't be able to shit all over what was once one of my favorite series for much longer :(
This podcast is hysterical, but remember in the entire show the main characters DON'T die in battle. They die in political maneuvers(Tywin on the toilet, Ned beheading, Joffery Purple Wedding, Rob Red Wedding, etc). So really the only additional characters you should've expected could die were Brienne, Tormund, Hound, Grey Worm, Missandei, Gilly. They need Jamie and Tyrion to keep us guessing who kills Cersei, and Davos's storyline is he survives despite not caring if he does, and Sam is the Narrator probably.
The thing that got me was that you've got the wrong person killing the wrong bad guy. After the whole of Jon's saga north of the wall, the wildlings, the undead, etc, the Night King was HIS big bad guy. The culmination to his entire plotline should've been facing the Night King. Arya has also had a huge story arc where she becomes this amazing assassin, fighter etc but HER big bad is surely Cersei. She was on Arya's list and it was her son Joffrey that murdered Arya's father. If I could change anything I'd have Jon Snow kill the Knight King, in an actual fight, not a sneaky dagger jab. I'd have Dany be killed by the undead when she fell off her dragon, thereby clearing the way for Jon's ascension to the throne. Then, I'd have Arya, Sansa, Jon etc (y'know THE STARKS) march down to King's Landing and deal with Cersei as final family payback for killing Ned back in series 1. Feels way more satisfying to me than how it played out so far. EDIT: Also while I think about it, it would have had way more emotional resonance to lose a couple of proper characters here. Grey Worm should've died because he was just last episode making plans to settle down back in his homelands after it's all over. Sam should've died as a result of Jon's laser focus on killing the Night King. Stuff like that would have been good.
The show has been a problem ever since George RR Martin stopped consulting them on the series because of his book. Fans of the book believe that Arya isn't the one who kills The Great Other.
You know GRRM finished the rest of books a while ago and set up the show jokers with a crap ending to the story; just to make the real story look better. GRRM is notorious for writing stories without typical hero outcomes. A typical GRRM ending would go like this: The Red Comet hurling from space wiping out everyone in sacrifice so that it can knock the planet back into a regular seasonal alignment. A real bittersweet ending!
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Winterfell had no problem sacrificing the horse Mexicans and the blacks 😂😂
Yea because unsullied and horseman would make great in castle fighters with their horses and long range weapons.
T Nelson u forgot to say um actually
Yeah make it about race
He had me cracking up... horse Mexicans?! :D
Riiight the entire dothraki???😒
If you are here for an in depth conversation about the world of GOT, you are in the wrong place. My man said horse Mexicans. Hahaaa! 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Dude literally said “you don’t need Bran anymore”. If bran dies, humanity dies. That was the point why NK targeted him.
Lol clearly
@@lilquorey723 humanity doesnt die though lol how is Bran keeping humanity going? Is he writing the books? Is even doing anything other than flying birds? No hes not. Hes not going to use any of his powers to beat Cersei because theres Nothing he can do. Bran is useless, his powers are useless and really his entire arc was pointless.
@@OrcistCleaver bran is wasted potential
@@OrcistCleaver Bran and his powers are useless? The ability to see what everyone is doing all the time combined with an assassin like Arya is the ultimate weapon. Bran can literally just tell Arya exactly what Qyburn's daily routine is who his servants are and when they are alone. He can give her everything she needs to get Qyburn's face and get close to Cersei and assassinate her. They don't even need to have a battle with Cersei. Bran and Arya could single handedly win the iron throne.
This podcast was more satisfying than the episode.
The episode was eye pleasing and had me on the edge of my seat. That being said, the plot armor was thick and everyone in the crypt should have been killed.
Do you have supervision? Most of the scenes were pitch black.
Everyone dying in the crypt was not an option as soon as Dany commanded Tyrion to be down there and Arya sent Sansa down there. Everyone else in the crypt could have died but not those 2. They still have major roles to play.
The crypt really was the safest place... let that sink in
Omar Little I have a high quality tv and put out the lights. Was very impressive visually.
People mad no one died in battle which is EXPECTED. People gonna be BIG MAD when iconic characters get killed over petty shit like the throne...and its coming.
Case and point: Bronn is suppose to kill the Lannister brothers and everyone was like "Bronn wont do it." Now....after going north and seeing how decimated Dany's army is, why would Bronn choose to give up the gold and castle to side with people that will probably lose against Cersei and the Golden Company cause Dany's army is tiny. Things are a little different now.
this show has always been about politics. The walkers came in and everyone focused on that like we were watching Lord of the Rings 2.0. Its crazy because everyone that doesn't like the episode are angry that the show didn't do what they expected it to do. But the whole point of the show and the books is to subvert traditional tales of heroism and stuff.
Soo the Night Kings aim for 8 years was to stare at Bran. Then nothing.
maNcube lol right
Night King is just a weapon just like a gun.
Preach the truth bother!
Ep. 3 was the most beautiful, epic, steaming pile of fan service bullshit since since Frodo woke up to hobbits jumping on homoerotic white sheets
Madison Alexander fan service ? Almost all the fans wanted a fight between Jon and the Night king since Hardhome ! And we didn’t get shit
Key True, but it is also fanservice to be too scared to kill any major character. Theon, Jorah and Melisandre all had finished their journey. All they had left to do was die, and they are the only ones who did.
It takes a special kind of insecurity to call friends being happy to see their friend not dead 'homoerotic' haha holy shit, go get laid or something. Fuck. haha
Key. I totally agree with you; not having Jon engage on ANY real level with the NK was a huge fan let down.
But the bulletproof, kevlar plot armor D&D clad their top tier characters in was an egregious attempt at fan service.
GOT is no longer grounded in the reality that GRRM created:(
Question 3v3ryth1ng Haha! If you have any single ladies that like an overly opinionated GOT fan please feel free to send them my way.
In all seriousness tho, there is NOTHING wrong with friends hugging in joy or even being 100% homosexual.
I’m an advocate for gay rights and I even used to bartend at a gay bar for a few months (good way to meet single ladies btw...no competition from other dudes lol).
But my attempt at humor in regards to the LOTR reference still stands.
Gandalf’s slightly creepy smirk and adult hobbits bouncing around in bed was def a bit homoerotic!
Viserion dropped like Wendy Williams in her Statue of Liberty costume!!
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Jeremy Daniel, 🤣🤣🤣I cant stop laughing at this!
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I mostly agree with Andrew. All the characters went through predictable familiar tropes.
I have been constantly surprised by the turns that Georges story took, but this episode seems like it was written by a fan.
It seemed very clear that it's not the same writer anymore, and does not have Georges vibe.
Nothing To See Here you realize if they killed everyone like they’ve been doing everyone would complain that game of thrones is only about killing important characters. Let’s not forget Theon, Jorah and beric all died this episode, they died redemption saving people they had wronged in the past.
Beric died saving Arya
Jorah died saving danny
Theon died saving bran
Beric was on Arya’s list.
Jorah was originally ordered to spy and execute danny, then banished when she found out the truth ( though she forgave him prior to this, his destiny was always to be in her service to till the end
Theon took the castle from bran.
If none of this screams game of thrones to you then y’all haven’t been paying attention and you’re allowing regulars like Schulz cloud your judgment on what this show is about.
The last time this show massacred a large amount of key players was the red wedding, how corny would it be to keep using that same card to draw emotion from its fans
@@Southforthewinter they've been building up the threat of the white walkers for the last 3 seasons, there should be no way Breanne, Jamie, or samwell should have survived. This was just lazy writing through and through honestly.
Arya killing the night the way it happend was honestly extremely disappointing. It felt like such a cheap death. They also just threw away such a major part of the story without much of a conclusion. The shows writers are trash, they should have just waited for George RR Martin to finish the real story becuase this just seems rushed and directionless.
@@Southforthewinter I'm not complaining that people weren't killed. I said it is predictable, and doesn't have the feel of the books anymore.
Carl do you know how long it would take for Martin to finish writing that book? You want the tv show to wait 5 fucking years and hen air the last season......also how would you have wanted him to die? Cause nobody stood a chance hand to hand one on one, he was immune to dragon fire, the ONLY way to beat him was stealth. And idk if y’all forgot but he was killed with cats paw...the very same blade that’s been so integral to this shows turmoil, and from SEASONS ago the red woman told Arya she would shut many eyes forever, brown eyes, green eyes, BLUE eyes. To me the ending was perfect, I would’ve loved to see jon go one on one with the night king but if we wanna be consistent jon would’ve been wrecked within 5 seconds. The ONLY reason jon killed that white walker during hardhome was because they didn’t know valerian steel could beat them. I’m guessing you guys forgot that too, but jon was getting his ass whooped until that clutch moment.
It seems to me like everyone is complaining but have no other outcome or solution as to how they could’ve caped it off in a glorious way.
Also the move Arya pulled was the same one she used when she was practicing with brienne, YOU GUYS HAVENT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. Plain and simple. If you watch the show and check Twitter at the same time then I don’t wanna hear shit you have to say lol.
The writers did the best they could, but of course it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t. You’re all a bunch of entitled babies man.
Nothing To See Here no shit, the show is beyond the books so how could it possibly have the same feel.
The only reason you guys are unsatisfied is because you set unrealistic expectations to a show that’s giving us a lot. That episode alone was and hour and a half....that’s a fucking movie dude. But nah y’all still not happy. Smh
Andrew is my spirit animal in the first five minutes of the pod.
I never respected him more.
Same, Are you Kenyan?
LOL
I had to come back because Andrew perfectly captured how pissed I still am several days later.
2- 3years later and im pissed bro
3 years now. I'm still pissed. Every once in a while, it ruins my day
2024 im still pissed
Andrew might be the biggest drama queen yo hahaha
tbh i loved the whole episode. better than endgame 🤷🏽♂️
Idk about better but i think it was a pretty good episode.
arya went through her entire show story in this one episode.. library, learning to be quick as a snake and silent as a shadow, her running around the hallways like she escaped kings landing, callbacks from melesandra from when they met and "what do we say.." and she being rescued by the hound like the time they spent together, and her fighting with the stick weapon like she trained to do for like almost 2 season in the house of black and white, and then sneaking up on the night king like she did to jon right there in the previous episode.. And so much more insane stuff like in SEASON 1(!) when theon stands with robb under that tree and they talk about war with the lannisters and theon says that if there is a war he will stand with the starks! I hate when people who just now tunes in to the show to see some action starts shitting on this masterpiece when they have no idea what they're talking about! like they're not having a plan with the dragons? their mission is the night king, and plot armor? they killed 4 season 1 characters, and two other big characters, name one other movie/show that did that in one episode or one battle?
@@DuFREAKY christ
John Smith 1. that superhero film has made 2 BILLION dollars. 2. they’re being compared because they released days apart and both have huge cultural impact around the world. GOT being compared to Endgame is a huge accomplishment not a downfall. headass boy
This whole season is not up to standard. John and Daenerys have become Jasmin and Aladdin.
Valar Marghulis: All men must die; Valar Dohaeris: All men must serve
Thank you
No aslamualekum wa alekumasalam
Thats what it means yes
A dragon that had no trouble causally destroying a 1000ft wall of ice, and should be able to melt stone and rock, could not harm John from behind a small pile of rubble that didnt even occlude his whole body
Game of Thrones Fans: WHY DO THEY ALWAYS KILL THE MAIN CHARACTERS!?
Also Game of Thrones Fans: WHY DIDN'T THEY KILL ANY MAJOR CHARACTERS!?
Yeah except that no one ever says the first sentence.
They just want everyone to die lol... who's is going to fight in King's Landing by that logic?
@@supamarc85 we dont want everyone to die. The writers wrote people into situations where they should have died. Tje fact that they didnt die is what makes it bad.
@@ThePhantomBean really? Ned Stark, Red wedding, Jon Snow when he actually died.
@@JojoTheMongol yeah really. No one said that, they were shocked of course lol.
Danny looked like an idiot for letting her 2 armies, and the strongest armies at that, be used in the front lines as cannon fodder and without dragon glass
I love how pointless riding the dragons are. Pretty sure those dragons could have done just fine without you clinging onto it's back for dear life. So dumb.
Yo Andrew is BIG MAD😂😂😂
Princess Hawthorne 😹😹😹😹
I agree with Andrew 100%. I had the same exact feeling. This was a good episode of television, but not an episode of GoT.
You and Andrew are a couple of nutjobs. This episode of G.O.T was badass😁
@@MrSundaynighttt you much have pretty low standards. It looked cool sure, but made no sense and was way below the standard set by the first few seasons of GOT.
@@Immortalizes it made a ton of sense. Arya been training to be an assassin for years😁
@@MrSundaynightttWhich parts did you specifically like about the episode? I could give you my pain points, but I'd very much like to know why you think it's so great compared to other seasons/episodes of game of thrones.
@@MrSundaynighttt she was training to be an assassin, not a magician. She literally ran up behind the night king and stabbed him. meanwhile directly behind him, encompasing him in a circle, are houndreds of wights and walkers. all of whom apparently have exceptional hearing like what we saw in the library scene with one hearing blood dripping from Arya's forehead admist all the noise they were making
They didn't kill any major characters because we were all ready for it.
3 episodes left.
Ex0dus111 exactly, you guys want more main character deaths? Watch the last episodes.
So I guess now we are all ready for it to happen again with kings landing? Following you reasoning to its logical conclusion I guess no one will die?
The reason they aren't killing people is because they've strayed away from Martin's books, the series has been deteriorating ever since. My expectations were extremely low going into this episode and they still managed to fuck it up.
I saw so many main characters covered by wights then get away unscathed moments later, only to happen all over again; twice at least per character. Jeorah magically survives that ridiculous charge at the start, only to teleport into the middle of nowhere and save dany, Arya teleporting magically and sneaking through hundreds of wights standing shoulder to shoulder surrounding the night king to assassinate him with a cheap parlour trick.. so much more was wrong with this terrible episode.
@@Immortalizes Arya killing the Night King is probably also in the books, as it is exactly the kind of surprising resolution more people should have seen coming.
As for people being "safe" in the next few episodes, you wanna bet?
@@Ex0dus111 her killing the night king isn't my problem, its how it happened. She magically teleports all the way there, some how sneaks through an entire horde of wights standing shoulder to shoulder when, apparently their hearing is so good they can hear the blood dripping off her forehead, Yet she magically gets so close to the night king with no wights raising an alarm aside from one walker turning its head. Then she kills him in an extrnely unsatisfying way
I liked the fact that both her conversation with the red lady hinted at the possibility of her her killing him. It just should've been done way better.
Also, I don't believe everyone will be safe in the coming episodes. I was highlighting how poor your justification for them not killing anyone is. "Ohh... it's because we were expecting it"
Facts shit can’t be too predictable
"Diabetes is the only thing that is gonna kill Gilly" best. Line. Ever.
Lol this is what happens when things go main stream...they turn to shit. The minute moms and 13 year old kids started talking about GOT in 2017 I knew this would would be it. My only disappointment was that they built up the Night King for 8 seasons only to have him the easiest death ever. He did not fight anyone in his biggest battle. The season just felt rushed
What if he comes back? Seemed almost too easy...
men with ven That is because the writers are awful.
I think it has more to do with the fact they (the HBO writers) caught up with the books and didn't have George RR Martin's quality material to use for the last seasons.
Everything Andrew said is MY FEELINGS 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
1) why was it so dark?
2) 7 seasons worth of build up and the night king gone in seconds?
3) they killed all the Dothraki in a minute but a one handed Jamie and a crying Sam who were swamped with the whites survived the whole battle?
4) How useless is bran?
5) for a battle that was supposed to be the biggest in television history, you couldn’t see shit and everyone survived
6)not nearly enough people died. Literally everyone survived. I mean we are supposed to be sad about Theon? And Jorah?
Totally agree with Andrew and his frustration with the episode, and his friend about the show going down hill since the episode 'beyond the wall' and even before that.
I'm okay with the idea of Arya killing the NK in theory, but it practice it felt too easy and really unearned. I think the biggest issue with the episode, that nearly every other issue stemmed from, was the fact that all the nameless soldiers just disappear after a certain point and we're left with only main characters struggling against thousands of wights. With just a few changes, their ending could have worked much better. Imagine the NK and his entourage of walkers entering the Godswood, while Jon struggles to fight his way to him to stop them. Only this time, our other heroes like Arya, Jaime, Brienne, and Tormund see him and break off from the fight to follow him, leaving the nameless living soldiers that are left to fight and die with the wights. They desperately push through into the Godswood, only to be met by the NK's escort of white walkers trying to prevent them from getting to the NK. The rest of the heroes engage the walkers, allowing Jon to face the NK. We prepare for a climactic final duel between them, only when they finally clash, its not even close. The NK absolutely overwhelms Jon, showing off the inhuman speed and strength we've seen from the walkers previously. He's just toying with Jon, until finally Jon is completely defeated and NK moves to finish him off. As he goes for the killing blow, Arya appears and kills him like she did in the episode. The NKs death saves Jon, and a few of the other heroes who were about to fall to the walkers.
I honestly think this would solve most of the major holes in this episode's story. Instead of Arya appearing from thin air, unnoticed by the entire army of dead behind the NK, she's now established to be in the proximity and the rest of undead and walkers have a legitimate reason for not noticing her move to kill NK. The other heroes like Jaime, Brienne, etc now aren't spending the entire episode neck deep in wights and still somehow surviving. Jon gets a proper moment with the NK, and our expectations are still subverted when it turns out our hero is not even close to a match for him.
10x better then the actual episode
Big props to Andrew for his opinion but he went way overboard for this one! It's Game of Thrones, not Game of Winter! You want to kill 80% of the cast and then have Cersei run a train on everyone in the final two episodes! Get outta here!
illmatic899 i have my issues with the episode/season but Andrew is a “new” fan and isn’t truly invested in the story lines and characters. That’s why he feels the way he feels. Cersei was always the true main villain, the night king was just over used as promo and marketing material. So the hype for this episode and that story line was a little over exposed . This is the “game” of thrones not the game of winter as you so clearly stated.
@@Thisthat1234 did u people read those 6 Fucking books that were all leading up to the fucking night king. Cersei as the main protagonist is the weakest shit I have ever heard, ugh this is so pathetic. This show started going south from season 5
that would have been so much better actually. i would have loved it if they all died. all of them. fucking plot armour
Overboard?? I cant beleive people are defending this episode...This epsiode literally has ruined the entire show
@@Thisthat1234 what a load of crap, there are plenty of people who aren't "new" fans who hate this episode, they just share something similar with Andrew, a brain!.
"oh wow what an intelligent comment, you didn't even back anything up you said, you're just throwing insults"..
yeah buddy, something tells me you're not worth the time, there's so much valid criticism everywhere and that's the defense you came up with? oh boy, you must've also planned the defense of winterfell then.
The Night King is Snoke with more teasing.
Frank Possible with 8 fucking years of teasing!!!! It’s so infuriating
Kukamunga Sad but true. Not sure if the show can redeem itself at this point.
Frank Possible trueee
I thought the Night King was the end-all-be-all-big-bad. That's why I'm disappointed. I loved the episode, but I'm bummed that that storyline ended so abruptly.
thats what i said we have been waiting for this night for years and they ended it in 1 episode that too with not that much of heartbreak at the end of the episode i was like "Thats It?"
The show is called GAME OF THRONES
Was the only episode I was scared for anything in GoT for a long time. Turns out not a lot of people died. Meh Idc. But its fun that Andrew is so pissed, I could watch 2 hours of him bitching xD
Happened in s7 already. How did they survive for so long before Dany arrived?
Jon: Winter is coming
GoT reality: No worries bruh. Your little sister (cousin) will handle.
The battle of the bastards was way more intense. Also I did predict Arya killing the NK ever since her training with the faceless men ended...sure my comment about it is Floating out there somewhere.
Was fine with Arya killing the NK but the way they wrote that was garbage.. like there are so many different ways you could of got to that moment, other than her somehow materializing out of thin air past all of the white walkers and a horde of wigts to kill him. I can't believe they didn't have any of the WW or the NK even swing a sword and none of the main characters fought anything other than the mindless horde of wights. So so so so baddddddd.
You did not predict that. Stop lying
That story line is to predict her killing Cersei, not the NK. That is reserved for Azor Ahai/The Prince or Princess that was Promised, aka Jon or Dany.
I AssinJar is that you Bran?
Jon should of been the one to kill the Knight king. There was no reason to @Subvert expectations” that was his story. Fck Arya
- is this Scooby-Doo?
Hey, man... Scooby-Doo is much better.
Did DC make this episode?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Melisandre doesn’t cast spells. She prays to the lord of light and he either listens or he doesn’t.
Andrew is the Real King Of The North
5 mins in Andrew has me crying😂😂
Turn out Night King just had a gay crush on Bran and Arya screwed everything up.
😒bruh😭😂🤣⚰
You are 100% corrrect. That was a hot mess of an episode.
They still need people to fight the Cersei war that's why I think HBO made some characters survive the Winterfell battle.
right, people don’t understand they don’t have time to develop characters to make us give a shit about them so they can’t kill off the developed characters we already give a shit about right now.
But wouldn’t be stupid if they were to loose more peoples to cercei than the knight king?!! For fuck sake just send a Drogon and Kinkgs landing won’t last a day. Fuck that just send Arya to kL and both cercei an euron would die within a week
Some people? NO ONE whose story wasn’t already finished died. No one. All Theon had left to do was die for the Starks. All Jorah had left to do was die for Dany. Melisandre could have been left out completely. The Dothraki blades and fire wall meant nothing, and her story was finished.
So after this last episode, tell me why didnt they kill anyone?
Schulz man you need to get a more educated crew to discuss got. These fellas not good. Simple
this dude said that sansa should have fought her own mother and father in the crypt when neds head is in kings landing and Kats body never left riverrun. They dont know shit about the show its actually hilarious
I think Andrew is funny but I agree. He’s just using the hype right now for views.
At least his crew should watch the eps 4 trailer man.
@@VVhawks51 Bro they literally started talking about the Sand Snakes in Dorne and said "wait is the mom still alive? oh yeah she is maybe they can ally with her".. Not remembering that they were all killed last season. They thought Dracarys was the name of the fucking dragon... Real talk they're probably just casual viewers that watch because of the hype.
@@VVhawks51 neds head was given to catelyn by littlefinger
Can we get a westerbros on ENDGAME ?!?!?!?
Dude i love Andrew Schulz, but the GOT Episode 3 was incredible. Just because it wasnt what you expected doesnt meet that it wasnt good.
Yeah, stop using that excuse. Its not about what he expected, its about the shitty writing, the shitty lighting, and the shitty shitty plot armor
Dude is sounding like all the youtubers that were mad because The Last Jedi didn't played out like their theories.
Phantom Bean so would you prefer it if all your favorite characters died and were eaten by wights??? I think professional writers know more about writing a successful tv show than you do
@@oliverconnolly1963 i would prefer that if they wrote people into situations where they should die, then they should die. They obvioulsy dont, since all the good seasons were written by GRRM
You watched it on a shit screen I had zero problems with that. Watch it again but in higher quality and on a better screen. The dark visuals have obviously to do with the plot. And it was a battle tactic of the Night King.
Edit:
Cersei was always going to be the final villain because GOT at its heart is about the human story. We would get no gratification if a lot of the main cast died from faceless whites.
for real this episode shows who bought a cheap tv lmao
Yeah FR, i watched it on an ok tv screen with the fucking sunlight blazing on my screen because i dont have blinds and i still saw what happend
noisemagician, AGREED! I had no issues visually, and I thought it was beautiful
I watch the shit on my phone and it was clear af. Andrew buggin or he reddit streamed it lol
noisemagician no, fuck this, i’m tired of everybody saying this... the whole show WAS about the politics, the whole point of the white walkers was to show how meaningless it all is in the grand scheme when faced with an enemy like the WW, a threat against all the living... this was supposed to be the pinnacle of danger, 1 episode, 1 battle, couple of mid-level character deaths, if anything it just shows that all characters not named Jon were right to just ignore it for 7 seasons
Bran needs to start doing more. He's one of the most powerful characters in the show, but all he does is warg into some crows. Massive waste of potential
Anthony Sclafani one of the most? he is literally the all-seeing, all-knowing, time traveler who can also warg animals and at least some ppl... i am astounded they haven’t killed him, he is useless to the plot
USELESS! “I need to go now” where tf did he go? useless!
I feel like people overlook everything that episode did right and just nitpick whatever they hated about it.
Can I just give a shoutout to the sound designer of that episode? HOLYSH*T. Credit's given where it's due guys.
Not really. The visuals and the soundtrack have been carrying this show for 4 seasons at least. Coincidentally, writing has been in free fall for the same amount of time.
Yaaaaay the episode was shit but hey at least the sound was good 😒
Whackashit is there no lengths the show fans won’t go to? is there no point where you just say enough is enough? they could literally take the whole plot away, make it like a black and white silent film, and you ppl would still cheer at the expression on Dany’s face when X happened
you hear that guys?, just don't watch got, put on your favorite song, that should be good enough.
Whackashit that’s one thing... you’re basically nitpicking for something good, when everything else was bad... sure the music was cool, there were some cool fight sequences, but that doesn’t excuse this shit
Turn your TVs brightness up. Completely agree about the death count!
Seriously. I've seen too many complaints about "Not being able to see anything" Just change the Picture Settings on your TV lol.
George RR Martin would be furious
He said he never watched the show. Can’t blame him
Exactly, 0 fucking white walker titties
Podrick, brienne and greyworm should have also died... also maybe tormund but i like him too much so im alright with that
Frank Lucas Don’t forget Sam.
3 years later and I still feel the same way.
When Jon Snow and Dany were about to bang the dragons were looking that way cause they knew they were related and disgusted at the whole thing.
Lmao like what the hell
:08 seconds in and I'm listening. That episode was epic garbage. The fans deserved better.
The show is called Game of Thrones not Game of the Dead. Cersei was always going to be the endgame
Yea but that doesnt make it any less disappointing. The white Walker threat was supoose to the ultimate threat yet they killed of the night king like he wasnt even an important character. Definitely ruined the entire season for me honestly. The Cersei story line isnt even that good. Jamie will kill her and Danny is gonna turn into the mad queen. The white Wallers should have played a bigger role. This is why they should have waited for the books to come out instead of letting HBO fuck up the rest of the series
If the Night King would have won tonights episode, he will literally be unstoppable. He would have all of Winterfells army including the Dothraki and the Unsullied. Night King will march down to Kings landing and wipe Cersei and his army in a second. Then the show would be over. They had to kill The Night King off in episode 3.
@@chronocross85 lol the night kings army was already unstoppable..... which is why they wrote such a shitty ending for him. Theres no way any one in winterfell should have survived. The fact that arya came out of litterally no where to deliver the white Walker ending blow is extremely lazy. Killing of all the white walkers in one episode is extremely lazy, the writing for this show is getting worse and worse and too many people are blind fand to the point that their okay with any ending regardless of how long they've invested in to watching this series.
Overall I though the episode was good but the ending honestly ruins the whole show for me. Like I couldnt careless how it goes from here
No one said let him win, just don't build him up for 7 seasons and then do what ever the fuck this was and waste our time.
Facts
GoT is about politics, getting the Night King out of the way clears the rest of the season to go to it's roots..
Yea but who really cares about who sits on the throne? The last 3 season's have been about how serious the night king is and they threw all that away with a 15 second death that barely made any sense. Seems like a shitty way to end a conflict that they've been building up for the last 3 years.
It's called Game of Thrones.. The show in its essence is political based.. If you felt the Night King and white walkers were really that important you watched for the wrong reasons.. I agree there should've been a major death, other than that I wasn't disappointed.. Andrew sounds like a hater plain and simple.. He's in a minority.. The real battle starts now..
@@jamesprice8983 who cares what it's called? All the writing and earlier episodes for the last 3 seasons have been pointing to the threat of the white walkers being bigger than it was portrayed, and after all that they lazily killed off the King which is a waste of the last 3 years.... if you watch the show you know Cersei isnt winning shit and you know Danny is gonna turn into the mad queen. All that shit is extremely predictable, and game of thrones should be everything but predictable.
It hasn't been about politics for a long long time and it won't come back to politics for the last 3 episodes.
@@jamesprice8983 Bullshit , even Jon himself was preaching how the fight against the white walkers is waaaay more important than the Throne , even from season 1 , they were clearly emphasising on this fight , I mean even the goddamn show's slogan is" Winter is coming "
at first i thought schulz was kidding...wtf. i had no issues seeing it. episode was absolute fire
the ending was whack tho, they clearly ran out of ideas and didnt know how to kill of the night king. It just felt like cheap honestly.
@@The_nega_ch1n how so? It was perfectly set up
@@Cobhammarthe last 3 seasons have been leading up to the white walkers being a huge threat, then it of no where arya pops out and kills the night king along with the whole army? It just felt like they didnt know how to end it, and what now? I'm suppose to be excited for who takes the throne? Barley any one important even died. I just feel like George RR Martin should have been the head writer of the series instead of them just following how he wanted the series to end.
How could you think no one of substance died? Theon was one of the greatest characters on the show, if not the best. He has an amazing character arc. Jorah was an awesome character as well. He devoted his whole last part of his life to Dany, and his was one of the most heroic deaths we’ve seen on the entire show. He sacrificed himself for her and that was the way that he would have wanted to go out. And then Beric Dondarian’s death was awesome too. He fulfilled his destiny. Everybody who survived has a purpose in the fight against Cersei. Which brings me to my next point...
We don’t know a lot about the night king. We don’t have any sort of emotional attachment or resentment towards him. He was the most formidable enemy for sure, but there’s not a lot in his background that we know that would provide much catharsis once he died or won the battle. There are so many more ties between the surviving characters and Cersei that will provide the cathartic experience I think you were unfairly expecting for this episode.
Yes the episode was dark and hard to see. I think they could have done better with that. But it was still suspenseful, action packed, and had some tremendously entertaining fight sequences. And it wasn’t just suspenseful because of what we were expecting going into this episode. It was suspenseful because they had some Hitchcock-Esque film directing going on in this episode. The first ten minutes: so suspenseful. Arya in the library: horror movie suspense. The slow walk to Bran: impractical for the night king, but purposeful so the two could share that ent that we may hear more about, and suspenseful.
Overall it was a great episode. I just think you were expecting too much from the night king.
Schulz is just whining because they didn't kill anyone he wanted them to kill.
This notion that GoT just randomly kills off people is false. The writers, and in the earlier seasons, George R.R. Martin set up plot lines and in order for those plotlines characters have to survive. We wouldn't resolve this Dany/Jon thing if one of them died, we wouldn't get any Bronn conflict with Jaime and Tyrion if they died. And so on and so forth. This idea that main characters are always dying off is dumb. The last major good character to die off outside of Jon was what, Rob? The major deaths in the beginning were to drive home the point that you can't survive in Westeros without a bit of darkness to you. Guess what? Mostly everyone here has learned that lesson.
" The major deaths in the beginning were to drive home the point that you can't survive in Westeros without a bit of darkness to you " Bruh ? This comment is sorely underrated !! The blood lust is real . Although the NightKing's death was tad anti-climactic .
I don't have a problem with characters surviving my beef is how the hell did Sam survive and Jorah didn't Sam had no business being out there my only beef with the night king death was that it was too easy of a kill it felt force and too much fanservice
GAME OF THRONES is about the fight for the throne. That has always been the main storyline. NK was a part of the show all along but his was never meant to be the main battle of the show. The big climactic moment of the entire show should be the battle for the throne.
True
@@fantasma.b it's called a song OF ICE AND FIRE AND IN 6 BOOKS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DAMN WHITE WALKERS AND U CLAIM IT'S ABOUT THE THRONES AND THE WHITES DON'T MATTER.......... AM SO LIVID WITH YALL LAMES.
@@seoluniverse5417 this isn't the song of ice and fire. This is HBOs Game of Thrones. Panders to a completely different episode than the books
*Different audience not episode
@@nolanb4004 literally the show was made to follow the book that's why grrMartin hesitated at first, many people had asked him to make a show out of the book but he said no until D&D and they had said to follow the book as they did from season 1 to 5, the hbo show is meant to be the book but a visual representation........ But not anymore I guess that's why its getting shittier. I never expected got to end in a crappy way...... Damn.... Life hits u like a truck.
Jon and Dany rule together.. The King of the North and The Dragon Queen. Wedding! Wedding! Happy tears.
hahaha after getting over the shock factor of Arya, Andrew's reaction pretty much summed it up
Are you for real? The whole point of building up the night king through the seasons is to show he's unbeattable, by ANYONE, and this shows in the 'dracaris' scene. There was only one way to 'undo' the night king, a divine flawless creature, and that was used properly. No bulldog warrior oe dragon could get even close to the night king but a small stealthy assassin who had to use cunning too (the knife trick).
The episode delivered brilliantly. Best episode so far.Deal with it.
Yall gotta change the settings on your TV.. Some of yall still have the factory settings.. I saw everything fine
Carl you missed the point
@@albertita8728 he said that he could not see because of the darkness of the episode.. What am I missing
Carl I think some people would rather bitch about shit than solve the issue
Saw everything just fine
What are the settings that need to be changed ?
*FINALLY!* Been waiting on this from the moment Arya killed the night king
Alberto Rynda that was quite a jaw dropping moment no lie, regardless of if you liked the episode or not.
@@Ace-760 if you describe me screaming "what fucking bullshit is this?" at the tv as jaw dropping, then sure.
@@yucaipawarrior Arya who has been groomed not to fear death since season 1 when her water dancer from Bravos taught her the motto "What do we say to death?". Then the faceless assassin from Bravos she encounters in season 2 sees something in her that leads him to recruit her. How many people do you think faceless assassins give that coin to? Then she encounters Melisandre who from the moment she sees her says that she will play a huge role in the future. Then she turns in her coin, goes to Bravos, and is surrounded by death. She washes dead bodies, removes faces, and trains to be a killer. She learns more than any other character about "the god of death". Then she returns and Bran gives her catspaw, a dagger that has more lore surrounding it than I can even get into right now, because he knows what she is capable of. They have been setting up Arya to kill the night king from the very beginning. This wasn't some out of nowhere twist. The writers on the show even said on inside the episode that they knew Arya was going to kill the night king since 3 seasons ago. Meaning that information came from George RR Martins mouth. Arya was always destined to kill the night king and she will also do it in the books. I'm sure the way she will do it in the books will be way more clever though but that's why it takes George 5+ years to write it.
@@roflrofl1234rofl Not complaining that she was the one to do it, but I would have liked to seen some build up rather than her just appearing. They made it plain as day when she talked to Mel right before leaving the castle that she was going to be the one to do it. But for them to be building this up since the very first scene of the show to have it end like that was very disappointing. It is a pet peeve of mine when in TV/movies everything seems doomed but the solution takes all of two seconds, it leaves the entire build up and time spent on the problem feel very hollow, which is the same that was done here.
@its nate First of all you don't have to know about your destiny for it to be your destiny that's not how destiny works. Secondly you are just wrong. She is a Stark, of course she knows about the white walkers. She grew up on stories about them just like it showed Bran hearing one in season 1.
George has been setting her up to kill the night king since the beginning.
both the fucking dragons are alive, it was in the preview of episode 4
Andrew Schulz. You captured my exact frustration perfectly. Terrible ending to the white walker story.
How do you think it should have ended? Please answer me because I've been asking this question all day and no one is answering me. The show is called Game of Thrones, not White Walkers is Coming. The White Walkers have been defeated before so I want to know what's the issue with them being defeated again.
Anyone who expected the Night King to be the final boss doesn't understand the fundamental concept of GOT. It's about how power is dangerous and corrupts. The biggest threat to humanity is humanity, that's the whole concept of the show. Cersei was always supposed to be the primary villain
Y'all breaking down and hating on certain moments too much. Taking issue with things much more reasonable than other shit in the previous seasons.
I just typed in "Andrew Schulz GoT 8x3" just IN CASE something like this exists and there's a whole podcast dedicated to it???
WRONG!!!!!
you realize if they killed everyone like they’ve been doing everyone would complain that game of thrones is only about killing important characters. Let’s not forget Theon, Jorah and beric all died this episode, they died redemption saving people they had wronged in the past.
Beric died saving Arya
Jorah died saving danny
Theon died saving bran
Beric was on Arya’s list.
Jorah was originally ordered to spy and execute danny, then banished when she found out the truth ( though she forgave him prior to this, his destiny was always to be in her service to till the end
Theon took the castle from bran.
If none of this screams game of thrones to you then y’all haven’t been paying attention and you’re allowing regulars like Schulz cloud your judgment on what this show is about.
The last time this show massacred a large amount of key players was the red wedding, how corny would it be to keep using that same card to draw emotion from its fans
Andrew is being dramatic because his ego wanted to be able to predict where this show was going.
Night kings plot was always Jon’s story arch not the entire show, but because he was so epic and mysterious people quickly thought he was the main villain ( a dude with no dialogue) and forgot how we have been watching Cersei manipulate, scheme, and kill her way to the top. She’s always been the final boss. The 7 kingdoms didn’t even believe in the mythical creatures beyond the wall until LAST season. The people who where disappointed by this episode are the same people who say game of thrones is about dragons.
I refuse to let normies give this show and its legacy a mediocre end. They did a great job with this episode, the ONLY thing they should have gave us was a one on one with jon and the night king.
And even still I think it was a cool flex for night king to look at jon and simply raise the dead on him cause he wanted bran and bran only. The wall and the white walkers have always been a stark legend and it was fitting for it to finish in winterfell with jon, Arya and bran being the starks who always had a connection to the mythical side of this story. In the books the starks are all wargs if I’m not mistaken. This was their battle. Not the entire shows battle.
Sorry for the rant but it had to be said
gingerbreadman waste of an episode, Andrew is right, dont diss the God
Dennis Marshall 🐑🐑🐑🐑
Facts.
They killed no one of value, and it was boring.
KingCrustyTut you’re just a normie and most of the shows transactions go over your head.
This battle had redemption deaths.
Beric died saving Arya
Jorah died saving danny
Theon died saving bran
If you actually know the show then you know that all these characters once wronged the people they died saving.
Thank you Andrew for being as upset as I was with this subpar episode and steer away from the actual story of game of thrones
I agree there was it of plot armor... but the episode was still lit 🔥
The ending was trash af tho, I dont think arya should have been the one to kill the night king, it just felt like lazy writing. Such a cheap death for what was suppose to be the ultimate bad ass
They went full Hollywood. Lost everything what made GoT special.
@@The_nega_ch1n imo it would have been cooler if arya would have done the faceless thing on a whitewalker and kill the nightking that way
@@pHilL1008 anything would have been cooler than arya jumping from no where to end off what was built up over basically the whole series.
How is a ninja acting like a ninja lazy? Not 20 mins early Arya snuck through a library full of zombies you think she can't sneak through the godswood? lmfao
Can't believe Cersei is the final boss. Night King was just a trash mob
dude really you can’t believe it? It’s not like she’s been this evil tyrant bitch who has caused chaos throughout the kingdoms in her quest for power. The night king was jon snows story arch. The north. And that’s where the battle took place and finished. It’s game of thrones not game of dead
@@Southforthewinter I mean, Undead Thanos vs mortal woman? Night King should have at least swung his sword once. Immune to dragon fire but not immune to steel imbued with dragon fire? Dothraki not being used as flanking units like normal cavalry but instead charging out into their deaths? Night King should have lasted at least 2 episodes with all of the years of build up. Last long night lasted a generation, this short night lasted an episode. Great episode but poor writing with so much plot armor and plot holes
dude I think the whole point of valerian steel is that it’s the most powerful element in their universe.
Second it wasn’t even Arya vs night king ...it was a stealth attack. One hit one kill. Any swinging from the night king would be instant death.
Sure there was plot armor for some characters but their obviously leaning towards Cersei storyline over the night king storyline.( who never had many scene to begin with)
It’s the people’s fault for building such hype behind him. In order for this long night to last like the last one they would have to lose the battle and that’s not what the writers wanted to do. And knowing how ridiculous humans are if night king would’ve washed the north you guys till would’ve cried “ all those years just to see them lose waaaaa”
A show that is this critically acclaimed and such a cultural phenomena is going to have everyone and their grandma nit pick their own personal opinions about how THEY want it to end, you guys can’t step outside yourselves and be appreciative of what these producers, writers, actors and the entire team have given us all those years. Took them 2 years to film this last season. And all that can be tossed out the window because a bunch of normies wanna complain and write reviews to tarnish the reputation this show has built. There’s no such thing as a perfect episode....plain and simple
And now killed by some rocks
James Murphy plot twist. Danny is the final boss. She snapped, went mad queen and has a god damn dragon. Night king and Cersei where just distractions, the real villain was mascarading as a savior the entire time
SOO THIS SHOW CONDITIONS YOU TO THE UNEXPECTED THEN THEY DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU THOUGHT OR WANTED TO HAPPEN YOU STILL MAD?
There is a difference between doing the unexpected and doing the ridiculous and unrealistic, the red wedding was unexpected but well received cause it made sense so was the hodor situation, this..... This was utterly random garbage, they shared a story with us teasing us about this threat for 7 seasons and grrm teased it for 6 books and jon and dany being the promised and then arya pops up with her teenage mutant ninja turtle self and pokes him in the stomach, and that's it........WHAT THE FUCK?!!!
THANK YOU 😂
@@seoluniverse5417 The Night King WAS a threat. He was a force of nature that had to be dealt with. He's not some human character that gets development.
@@seoluniverse5417 Also in the books the Night King is a legendary figure not an living being. So the show started changing shit well before it left the books.
Deemo202 no... there is no night king in the books you dumbfuck
those who really complain about the darkness are not real GoT fans, they watch GoT like a firework show, they just want awesome action.. But GoT is first of all a great story, and to me it's really clear that the darkness was very intended, and smart, because you're supposed to be scared for the characters you love and writing 101; it's always more scary with the things you cant see, they created fear, chaos and emotions going up and down and fucking sideways, like the dragon fight, I didn't see who was who, "was I supposed to be happy or scared about that scratch?" the episode totally kicked my ass! Also it's easier for the CGI, so the option would be longer waiting time for the season and/or higher budget, meaning something else would be cut, but I would still want it the way it was. There was just one thing, I wish jon had killed the dragon at the end, it dies anyway, would be cooler if jon had a sick fight with it instead of it just dying with the rest.. 10/10 (99/100)
did you listen to the podcast. there is other complaints. they are about, what you describe as a great story(lol). 4/10
both dragons were on the preview for next week. They lost no dragons
This was soooo much better than avengers.
Please stop
seol cake I’ve watched every marvel movie. I liked avengers a lot. But I went straight from the theater and to thrones. It just reminded me how gangster thrones is.
Both dragons are alive
Ghost is alive
Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes = lord frey, night king, Cersie
Considering Tyrion had more tv minutes than any other character, he should play a huge role later. Maybe kill Cersie
Yeah and then everyone has a huge orgy and they lived happily ever after. How about no
This is why I love comedians. Cause they're honest.
I was waiting for this podcast the whole day! I see I'm not gonna study now
Cersei gonna kill all the good guys and the iron bank gonna pull up on her and take everything
Why is Schulz acting like this is the last episode. All of the main characters are gonna die in the last 3 episodes. Just be patient lmao
I would suggest this ending, I call it "The DBZ style ending": John runs behind the night king, the night king wants to raise the dead and John struggles to keep the Night king's arms down, while the Night king slowly raises his arms John tells Danny to rain fire among both of them (This is why the ending is DBZ style). Danny does try to burn both of them, but after the fire clears, she notices non of them got affected by fire. Only one thin remains aflame, John's sword. They (John's and the Night Kings) both draw their swords and start fighting, while the undead come to help the Night King, Danny rains dragon fire to everyone (The undead, the Night King and John). Lastly, John kills the Night King with the flaming sword. That's it. Danny accepts John is a true targaryen and we all can finally rest in peace.
I'm here to listen to the hate.
I thought it was amazing TV even though some of the points you said are valid
UltimateHibz sound points not valid.
Y'all mad at this episode but when the walkers magically had chains,swam underwater and pulled a dragon out THAT wasn't insane nonsense? I like the show but expected consistency or reasonability is futile
I think the issue that people like Andrew have with this episode, and the resolution of the Night King storyline is that he/they think this whole story has been about the wight walkers, and how they will be defeated, when the story is in facts about the "game of thrones" and the wight walkers are just a tasty side dish to that story.
if you pause in the episode 4 preview , you can see there are 2 dragons still alive :D
i believe the show had to take a total different route from the books , in order to still make the next book enjoyable ;
there were some emotional moments during the fight , but all in all they managed to surprise us by not killing so many important characters ; and that's because how you shoot a series , and how you keep the payroll justified for the show
Damn this episode is getting so much hate lol
This would fix it all for me! Arya gets cocky and tries to kill Cersei, maybe with Jamie’s face. I dunno. And then the mountain beats her to death. The Hound sees this and loses it.!
Or she uses Jamie’s face and Bron kills her by accident!!!
....I thought Andrew was trolling, but wtf??? How disappointed that he's complaining like the people who never watched past seasons and just started now
Alberto Rynda he likes the attention of being a contrarian, he isn’t even truly a fan of the show he jumped on the wagon so he could have an opinion on such a culturally polarizing show, he’s only salty cause he fell for the okey doke and wanted to be that guy who predicts everything
Facts!!!!!!!!
If you watched the past seasons you have even more reasons to complain. Back when they had GRRMs books as template it was way better.
The episode was dogshit, Andrew is right.
This episode was a fucking mess , if you don't acknowldge it , either you're a moron , or a blinded fanatic
Omg thank u Andrew ... I was insanely disappointed
Andrew crucifying this episode 💀
I 100% agree here....throughout the whole episode literally left right and centre so much stupid decisions were going on and the resolution of this episode and the entire series is a huge slap in the face and I hardly care for the last 3 episodes...but atleast they won't be able to shit all over what was once one of my favorite series for much longer :(
This podcast is hysterical, but remember in the entire show the main characters DON'T die in battle. They die in political maneuvers(Tywin on the toilet, Ned beheading, Joffery Purple Wedding, Rob Red Wedding, etc). So really the only additional characters you should've expected could die were Brienne, Tormund, Hound, Grey Worm, Missandei, Gilly. They need Jamie and Tyrion to keep us guessing who kills Cersei, and Davos's storyline is he survives despite not caring if he does, and Sam is the Narrator probably.
I knew the Hound wasn't gonna die cause there has to be a fight between him and the mountain.
The thing that got me was that you've got the wrong person killing the wrong bad guy.
After the whole of Jon's saga north of the wall, the wildlings, the undead, etc, the Night King was HIS big bad guy. The culmination to his entire plotline should've been facing the Night King.
Arya has also had a huge story arc where she becomes this amazing assassin, fighter etc but HER big bad is surely Cersei. She was on Arya's list and it was her son Joffrey that murdered Arya's father.
If I could change anything I'd have Jon Snow kill the Knight King, in an actual fight, not a sneaky dagger jab. I'd have Dany be killed by the undead when she fell off her dragon, thereby clearing the way for Jon's ascension to the throne. Then, I'd have Arya, Sansa, Jon etc (y'know THE STARKS) march down to King's Landing and deal with Cersei as final family payback for killing Ned back in series 1.
Feels way more satisfying to me than how it played out so far.
EDIT: Also while I think about it, it would have had way more emotional resonance to lose a couple of proper characters here. Grey Worm should've died because he was just last episode making plans to settle down back in his homelands after it's all over. Sam should've died as a result of Jon's laser focus on killing the Night King. Stuff like that would have been good.
I get the frustration, Especially with the lead up, this was 7 seasons of build up.
I really liked episode 3 though.
Funny, I was as excited about this podcast as I was excited for the episode.
BRO that intro killed me, I'm dying laughing at work, thank you!
coming back to this years later and this still hilarious. love Andrew
The show has been a problem ever since George RR Martin stopped consulting them on the series because of his book. Fans of the book believe that Arya isn't the one who kills The Great Other.
We arent really even sure if there will be a great other in the actual story. It could just be one of the many gods that we will never see
The creators of the show had to predict how the story ended to George before getting his Blessing to make the show he told them how it ends
You know GRRM finished the rest of books a while ago and set up the show jokers with a crap ending to the story; just to make the real story look better. GRRM is notorious for writing stories without typical hero outcomes. A typical GRRM ending would go like this: The Red Comet hurling from space wiping out everyone in sacrifice so that it can knock the planet back into a regular seasonal alignment. A real bittersweet ending!
I live your profilw image,can i find it somewhere?
@@alexvlaxos6620 I found it off a Google search on the web. I downloaded a few variations of that image, I'll provide a direct links below from my Google drive to that image and the other versions where you can download it.
YinYang Tree: drive.google.com/file/d/1-FSP1xz7rgYxeJ6xeBE7J3a8GkdBdPLd/view?usp=drivesdk
B&W version: drive.google.com/file/d/1-QLH7kYsK2FEiIRfHqaPaw-btcbwtL-3/view?usp=drivesdk
Dragon Version Red: drive.google.com/file/d/1-HqirHkpHPdGQWbw2PWcjHe8BSBv7W1i/view?usp=drivesdk