Fire In My Neighborhood
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2020
- Fire was on 3-11-2020 in the Deerborn neighborhood of Hollymead Va.. The lady who owned the house said it started from a pot left on the stove. Not sure if it was a grease fire or if she walked away from a cooking pot. Either way this is tragic, and shows that your life can change in an instant. House fires happen all the time, but there are a few things we can do to prevent them.
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Can't believe how slowly those guys are working. Unacceptable here in Poland.
aw everything is better in poland
because they know in north america there is not much they can safe anyhow. all rubbish cheap wood structures
tempa ich pracy jest bardzo słabe do momentu puszczenia pierwszej fali wodnej
Love how you're able to come to this conclusion without knowing the entire situation .. it could be a volunteer department where firefighters had to leave their job and rush to the scene. But hey, you guys are pro youtube commenters with a lot of firefighting experience as well. I could also be wrong, but I won't be disrespecting these guys based on my gut feeling...
It's a standard of care. Unacceptable nationwide. Im a rural volunteer, but when we catch a job, I have my pack on off the truck. I pull a line and the pump starts within 30 seconds. Not hard.
I always said that “fire trucks are only as good as the people using them.” Top of the line apparatus there and poor fire fighting. I hope they use this video to improve their tactics.
So what did they do wrong...?
@@virgilhilts3924 Appallingly Slow. There should have been water from the truck's on-board tank, on that fire with 30 seconds of arrival. They did not need to wait for a supply from a hydrant to start fighting the fire. The truck carries enough water for a hose to run for several minutes without the hydrant supply. There are genuine video's on YT of British, Dutch, Australian, Polish and Japanese crews arriving at major fires and having water on in as little as 8 Seconds. Even the Russians with their antique equipment are better than these guys. These guys need to be trained properly and have the sense to apply that training, without first having to hold a union meeting to see who goes to get the donuts. They were That Bad.
@@philyew3617
Says the 🤡 who doesn't grasp that they had water on the fire before the video even started and used the entire tank
damn i'm a fireman for 32 years and this is painful for me to watch standing and not moving fast enough or putting water on the fire wow wow
Youve never worked a fire in your life
I did this for 12 years, and we always grabbed a hydrant prior to arriving on scene.
2021 and sad to say, more training needs to be done.
The house is a loss, exposures to the east and west.
Painful to watch
@ Gar Kar. The problem isn’t the fact that they didn’t take the hydrant first. The problem is the fact that unprofessional firemen are walking around and not trying to make a difference. Getting a knock down on the fire without a supply is actually the right tactic. They just didn’t even come close to executing it
No sense getting your BA all squared away with an empty tank and no supply, Go take the hydrant (assuming there is one)
I'm just an ignorant citizen, know nothing about fire and rescue but I wonder what their plan would have been if someone would have still been inside. Over 5 minutes without water, people would have been long gone. Albermarle is not a poor rural county with no funding.
I agree. It was tragically slow. Unforgivable how they just let the place burn.
@@tonyatonya480
The problem is you have no clue what you are talking about
Due to the quick work of the FD, the basement was saved.
Don't forget the chimney
No shit
Fast !? is an understatement.
No kidding.. I'm surprised they didn't have lunch before they actually started to put the fir out
@@scotthoehnke4053 I think they stopped at McDonald's for Happy Meals on the way
Fire suppression sprinklers cost one percent of the original home price for 24/7 fire safety.
Not much help during an exterior fire... and it's also not 24/7 fire safety since it does nothing to prevent fire from happening-
My first Engine I was assigned to for 13 years we had a preconnected deck gun that came off the tail board ,and that my friends was the best thing since sliced bread, when you have reduced man power it can put a quick knock on the best seated fire. The engine I retired from did not have one and the difference was amazing.
A deck gun such as in this case it´s even better, but...
Thats a good idea for lacking manpower. Preconnected!
@@Bacanalable So many departments seem to forget they even have them. I love watching Chicago firefighting footage because they remember, although tbh if CFD 1st due engine is using their deck gun, its because they set up a little too close to the action and are trying to save their paint job...
@@xheralt Hahahahahaha...not so convinced about that blitz attack, hahahaha
So a charged booster line. I did many knock downs with one of those. Today they don't even know what a booster line is, now they 100 ft of line and waist minutes getting set up hoping the volume which requires a hydrant will make up the difference
Do these firefighters realize they have anywhere from 500-2000 gallons of tank water that could put out a lot of fire while they are making the hydrant?
E£Specially as it took so little water once they were connected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks a poor effort albeit eventually they put it out ! Thought they had stopped using the fire engines horn(s) to evacuate a building ?? Are these guys volunteers?
Apparently not the 500-1000 gallons on the truck would have done a lot when they first arrived
All those engines have 750 gallons to be exact
@@kaylaanderson4260 thanks
750 gallons puts out a lot of fire.
At the very beginning of the video, you can see fire coming from the A/B corner and the C/D corner. This fire was burning for a while before the video starts, and had already spread considerably. There is a lot of lighter colored smoke, which usually happens when water is being applied to a fire. It really seems like there may have been a hose line in service at the rear of the house, and they used up the tank water. You can hear the engine running at a higher RPM at the beginning, then it goes down. After the supply line is charged, you can hear the engine spool up again, and they start (or maybe continue?) flowing water. Biggest issue early on is it took too long to establish a water supply, and that seemed to derail the whole operation.
you would think a water supply would be a top priority since they are gonna eventually run out of truck water
Light colored smoke can be steam (from water on the fire), but fast, white smoke can indicate hot, distant fire. Fairly uniform smoke coming from multiple openings A/B and C/D corners and multiple divisions strongly suggest deep-seated fire. Obviously burning for a while before it was called in.
Very bad firefighting skills
Water from the on-board tank should last about 4 minutes which is ample time to establish a supply from a hydrant. That crew were just unforgivably slow.
@@philyew3617
You have no clue what youre babbling about
I'm in a very rural dept, can never understand why officers always park non essential vehicles in the way of incoming units
It amazes me how long US firefighters stand around looking at the fire before they actually tackle the blaze. It was over 5 minutes from start of video, with fire dept on scene before any water was flowing. U.K. fire fighters would have been on that the instant they jumped from their cabs.
I'm with you. I was surprised they took as long as they did.
Go to RUclips and watch some vids from Tulsa,San Bernardino, Stockton, you will see it is not a US problem, there is a difference between good and bad training and management.
Why do you Brits build high rise apartment houses, cover them with a flammable façade so that a kitchen fire turns into a towering inferno killing 80 people????
it amazes me how many non-US people think all our firefighters are like this, the US is a huge country there are places with poorly trained people, and places with excellent firefighters.
it doesn't make them bad firefighters, it just here in the UK most of our fire engines are pump engines and carry lots of water so they can just jump out and start water straight away
Retired Fire Captain with 36 years years of service and this video had me yelling at my laptop!
5 Minutes after arriving on scene we have water on the fire! Way to go guys! You saved the basketball hoop in the driveway!
bs it was not 5 mins
They have to pull hose and get that from the nearest hydrant which could be several 100 yards away potentially. The tankers don't last but a few minutes with out hydrant supply.
@@tazmankb26 they have tank water on that engine. You can knock a lot of fire down with 500 gallons if applied properly. You’re obviously not a firefighter by your uneducated comment here. Almost 5 minutes on scene and no water applied is ridiculous and appalling.
@@crazyforcandles1 it was approximately at the 4:45 mark before water was applied which is inexcusable and embarrassing.
You are absolutely correct Dylan. Zero effort shown on this fire scene
I feel bad for the citizens of Albermarle county who pay high taxes only to have a fire department that is incompetent.
How have you managed to stay employed?
@@madeinusa5201 Alleged firemen are the worst. They eat their own. Whats up with that.
@@madeinusa5201 probably an office manager who’s never done a days work
Says the blowhard who clearly knows nothing about firefighting
It's really sad those folks' taxes pay for that fancy equipment when this department doesn't even know how to use an extension ladder.
The guy in the blue shirt seemed interested in something other than the fire.
This is very painful to watch, I feel so sorry for the homeowner. The perfect example of bottle breathers in the front yard😳 terrible tactics
Says the 🤡 who doesn't grasp that they had water on the fire before the video even started and used the entire tank before the supply line was laid in
i like how they are so chill about the fire because its a strangers house, I wonder how fast they moved if its their house
I hate agree with you
You have never been trained as a fire fighter.
You are sadly mistaken.
@@paulwilliams6753 h goodness please share your knowledge with us . What volunteer department did you belong to .Pretty strong words . No need to reply
@@reginalddentry7338 He's right! You're sadly mistaken.
@Tax Payer , thanks for checking in, one usually has to attend a drug rehab meeting in order to meet someone of your stature. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is why I have included a fire sprinkler system in the floor plans of our new home. These firefighters obviously didn't get out of the station much. I truly feel sorry for the residents of that community who painfully watched their tax dollars at work.
This is why training and drilling as much as possible is imperative in a department that does not see much structure fire action.
Tell me you know nothing about the fire service without telling me you know nothing about the fire service.
Larry, residential sprinklers wouldn't be much help in this situation. Guessing but from what the video shows, this fire started on or near the exterior. Residential sprinklers can be a good thing for folks that have city water. Even then you are only going to get 15 or 20 gallons of water per minute. Residential sprinklers give you time to get out but may not be enough to save a home. There has been a debate in the code industry for decades and there is a reason why sprinklers are not required in single family homes.
Maybe more importantly is what materials you are building a home out of. I do commercial construction where much of the materials used are non-combustible, flame spread on finished is regulated. We don't wrap wood structures with vinyl and asphalt, we don't have attic storage where people can store as much fuel as they want.
I thought I better add this....IF you decide to fight...follow this order - First- kids, pets, grand-parents out first. While doing that make sure you and at least 3 others have called 911. I can't count the number of times I have come up on a fire and people on the side walk are commenting about how long it took the fire department to get there. I ask - did YOU call 911? I have yet to ever have someone answer yes. If you see a house/building fire and you don't see/hear fire trucks, expect that no one called and make the 911 call yourself. It is helpful to the dispatchers if you do. Please try to have the exact address - even if you don't live in that area. It takes seconds to ask someone else. If the dispatchers are getting 15-20 calls on the same fire, they know what to do and in many cases will start extra companies heading that way. Second, after the 911 call - look and find at least 2 ways out. Then if you still feel like you have time - fire extinguisher, baking soda, water - don't use flour - it explodes! If oil/grease is burning, use dry items - baking soda/pan tops - don't put water on grease. It floats and can cause the fire to spread if the pan fill up with water! If the fire is up the wall and starting to go across the ceiling - time to go! You likely don't have the skills or tools to handle it at this point. Hope this helps!
Good advice. I live in Las Vegas and attended a fire safety class once. The chief told us that the only way they will respond is if someone dials 911. Pulling the alarm in a building will not transmit to them and they would not know to respond. So you must place a call to 911 and if you can call back a few more times or ask others to call too, they will most likely send additional resources.
DBR00,
First, I would hope the person “teaching” fire safety would never tell people they would NOT respond unless XYZ criteria is met. That’s not sending a very reassuring message to the people they serve.
And it’s not entirely correct to say they won’t know there’s an emergency if you only pull the alarm.
Automatic fire and sprinkler alarm systems are not connected DIRECTLY to the fire dept dispatch center or a fire station, however the fire dept does receive the call and the fire dept does respond.
It’s a multi step process but the fire dept will receive the alarm within a few minutes.
So if you’re faced with a fire or emergency absolutely turn in/pull the alarm. But make sure someone follows that up with a phone call to 911
These guys must save alot of basements.
And this right here folks, is why where you live and what kind of FD serves you, should factor heavily into your home-buying decisions. This was some of the worst firefighting ive seen in a long time.
Took way too long to get water on the fire.
Yup!
It was already a total loss, b/c at 0:24 you can already see fire out both front, & back.
How do? They had a line to back of the house at the start of the video.
Haven’t lost a foundation yet🤦
Don't be so sure of that. I know one local fire where the insurance company even wrote off the foundation
It was already a total loss, b/c at 0:24 you can already see fire out both front, & back.
@@P4hs yes the house may have been totaled , but if a decent stop had been made in a timely manner , a lot of contents could have been saved
Why does the question of “are they volunteer” inevitably come up?
Just because a department has career staffing doesn’t automatically make them better firefighters.
Career fire departments are everywhere now, even some of the smallest communities with very little call volume have career staffing. But somehow it seems that the addition of a paycheck equates to being better firefighters.
Training, training, and more training make good firefighters, not a paycheck.
As for the fire, my response area has loads of these structures, by the hundreds and hundreds, they look virtually identical and are most likely built identically too....like crap.
Large open floor designs and high vaulted ceilings doom these houses before the fire department is even notified.
I’ve seen the same scenario play out in front of me plenty of times.
There’s a lot that could be said here but all I’ll say (until I get attacked) is a few firefighters, a hydrant, combined with the proper use of a prepiped deck gun and the bulk of this fire is out before the second engine is on scene.
Everyone can see this from a mile out and know you’re going to be faced with a well advanced fire on arrival. Get on the nearest hydrant, lay in, and start putting a lot of water on the fire as soon as possible.
We don’t need a burning building and paycheck to practice that scenario.
Very well said my friend. I get so sick of reading these comments from ignorant people and some of these career ff that think they are god. I work hard to stay trained. Im a volunteer in a rural dept. We get out the door pretty quick. We have delayed response times due to distance we travel to some. Most of the homes in my area are 100 plus year old farm houses that have layer and layer of walls ceiling and roof shingles. Our last fire we spent 8 hrs digging fire out of 2 layers of wood plank ceiling and 3 layers of asphalt shingles burning under furred out metal roof. For 8 hrs we made an aggressive interior attack and my pay check was zero. What people don't realize and the FFs that criticize how other depts operate whom should know better. This new construction is lite weight trash. I see new construction in areas around me with full paid depts look exactly like this house when 2 engines and a ladder roll up at the same time. So remember us volunteer ffs hold careers of our own on top of family's as well and we make time away to train and respond. For the people that constantly comment " this must be a volunteer dept" please join a volunteer dept and step in our shoes for some time. You'll have a different respect real fast. Weather career or volunteer, we all strive for the same outcome at scenes. We're here to serve our community. We're here 24/7 weekends holidays. We all do our best. I run with a 100 call a year dept. We drill once a week with as many guys and gals that can meet. So again to the people here who constantly knock volunteer depts, by all means join and share your you tube expertise lots of depts would be thrilled to have you. And for the paid guys that knock volley depts. On your days off please come to our stations and share your knowledge. Believe me I would love that. But let me guess you won't do it for free.
I agree. I started out volly 20 years ago and went career 13 ago. I have received more certs in the career world but way more real world in the volunteer world. I would be the first to say that I think volley's are the real firefighters because most have there hearts in it not their paycheck.
All these firefighters are career. The volunteer department that would of been second in engine did not make it out that day because career staffing during the day at that station was at a different fire station.
Volunteer departments take longer to get to the station to get the trucks!
Well stated, my friend 👍✊ 🚒🚒
The house can be re-built, but the things you collected over the years are most likely gone. Some would say they are just things; you still have he memories. I'm in my 80's and those memories are fleeting. I recommend pictures with little stories behind them or videos with narration. Those items that were specific to each child should be passed to them. I could go on but I think you get the idea.
When the first engine is shown at 3:31, it’s water level indicator is flashing red which means that entire tank of water has been used up. So to all the people making comments about how long it took them to put water on the fire, they had water on it before the video even started…
It’s amazing what a little bit of water would do on a fire. The fire trucks have 500 gallons. That use quickly would stop the fire before it goes through the roof
You would be amazed what high pressure hose reels with AFF foam can do as used by firefighters in the UK. It certainly makes good use of every gallon of that 500 and buys time in setting in the hydrant. There seems to be a reluctance to fit first aid reels to your pumpers, probably old tradition and you use hose hand lines which can take extra time to deploy and most definitely use more water.
Imagine if air traffic controllers or surgeons were so lackadaisical...
It has made me so dam angry about these fireman they were so unorganized and slow
I agree if they would have used the water on the truck while they hooked up the hydrant the house would no be a total loss I’ve watch vids where they do that and they save allot of the structure so any times I’ve watch the house burn down by the time they get everything set up these guys need more training they put water on the second floor as the fire is all most out putting the ladder up is just practice for them
So glad you said it. people always take the truth as Bashing
Well you get out there a day do better. Everyone loves to comment.
f off karren
It was already a total loss, b/c at 0:24 you can already see fire out both front, & back.
Have they learned yet that water puts out fire??
Depends on the fire!
Fire department could be looking for people stuck in the house lives come first!!!! Not all fires can be put out with water if its a grease fire or electrical fire DO NOT USE WATER!!!!
@@tylorevans if your spraying over 100 gallons in a minute
You can put out a grease fire with water , just saying
A real sense of urgency on the part of the fire department...
NOT
The woman in the red outfit was so upset she ran home and ate another gallon of ice-cream :)
I know right, I was like huh imagine if it was their house burning down!
Once they got water started, it moved rather quickly. But I would have chewed my arm off waiting. And waiting. And waiting. I know it's too easy to Monday-Morning quarterback these things, but when it's this blatant, it's really hard NOT to say something.
Chief, is this REALLY the best your dept can do? Or are there other factors involved (like a sissy City Council that cut a FD budget or closed a station to 'save money')? I'd like to know. Yes, this is a year old - but plenty of time to look back and evaluate what went right and mostly wrong. I don't mind blaming people, just blame the right people.
So what did they do wrong...?
@@virgilhilts3924 Well, that was kind of the point of my comment. There were lots of things that could have been done in a more timely manner, but if you've only got 3 bodies to do 5-bodies-worth of work, it's kind of hard to get it all done. I really don't want to rag on the chief, he's probably as frustrated as anyone there. My gripe would most likely with with the City/County governing body that oversees that Department.
Too often we ask our public servants to do more work than is humanly possible, which can lead to poor-quality work, OJIs disgruntled employees, etc. And if the governing peons are more interested in buying votes by giving stuff to "the poor" instead of proper prioritizing public moneys for true public services, this is the level of firefighting that communities can expect. Please understand, I don't think there are problems shown in the video that can't be fixed by proper funding and staffing, but only if spending priorities are correct. Sorry for the long-winded reply Virgil, you have a good question.
@@thomream1888
So back to my question, what did they do wrong...?
So did the homeowners pay to have the house burned to the ground or is this just a rookie fire department.
bullshit ass fire dept
That was going to be my comment to they're just walking around with their hand in their pants playing 8 Ball spray the f****** fire put some water on it what our tax money goes to that in your freaking retirement
Whats going on here? These guys are as slow as a wet week. All the gear but no action
5 minutes to get water on the fire, and they were on scene before the video started? That's worthy of legal litigation. Beyond unacceptable for any reason.
Says the 🤡 who doesn't grasp that they had water on the fire before the video even started and used the entire tank before the supply line could be laid in
We've known for many years in the UK that applying water to fire has a tendency to eventually put it out.Also, the sooner you apply it the less damaging the fire will be. Perhaps this FD don't realise what the hoses are there for.
You can still thank the US for not having to speak German, so...
I wasn't particularly impressed either, but pulling some UK exceptionalism out of this video was very smooth brained.
@@medic2807 you are so right, I apologise. I should have said that throughout the world it is known that applying water to a fire etc...... With all the expensive equipment, the latest technology, the miriad of blue lights and loud sirens to make the fire fighters feel important...they forget the very basics...apply WATER!!! Poor poor performance.
@@medic2807 We’re still ruled by Germans though,and it took the US two years to catch up on the war! What’s your point?🤣🤣
@@jamjardj1974 Bullshit. Americans were fighting as VOLUNTEERS before the US declared war, never mind the FACT that the US was supplying money and material long before that. Then's there's the little detail of all the AMERICANS THAT DIED in the war, let alone the wounded.
Well since you stand outside with your garden hoses, good thing your apartments are so small that you don't have to go inside and actually do anything.
Goodnews you guys,
Thanks to our rapid crew we were able to save your driveway almost unscathed
...from someone who's never fought a fire...
They love to complain but never want to pay taxes or volunteer if their fire department use volunteers.
@@j81870 The guy stood there for 3 minutes with a charged hoseline...
@@patrickhamilton9242, You base your comments off just this video?
First, there is only a single Engine company and a command vehicle visible when this video starts.
Did you notice the gry/white smoke coming from the structure when the video starts? There already has been a fire attack started. As the camera gets closer to the Engine, you can see several (3) attacks lines already off the Engine. A big clue to what is going is when you hear the Engine idle down as the camera gets closer to the Engine. They are out of tank water !!! As soon as the LDH supply line is charged, you see 2 lines flowing. It's very easy to make judgments based on a video without understanding firefighting. Different strategies and tactics are used in the various USA and world locations.
It's also important to remember that many factors go into picking the right strategies and tactics for a particular incident and/ or fire department. These factors are manpower, training, equipment, support from the taxpayers, support from the government, and volunteer vs. full-time paid to staff. And end the end, no matter what a fire department does, they can not please everyone. There will always be someone who will complain.
@@j81870 The. Guy. Stood. There. With. A. Charged. Hoseline. That engine has water in it. The firefighter was positioned for at least an exterior fire attack by himself. If you're defending him for not spraying water and knocking down some fire, then I certainly hope you never step on another fireground.
Modern lightweight firetrap construction. Large open floorplans, engineered wood, flimsy roof trusses, toothpick framework, plastic siding and windows, all contribute to rapid fire spread.. Really sad to see someone loose their home like this.
Very well said. People spend a fortune for these homes and they appear so solid but are manufactured with the cheapest products available and boy are they flammable.
Legend has it, the quint 121 operator is still trying to set it up.
I think if you go back and look at the very beginning of the recording, they were pumping water and getting white smoke. Even the Chief was trying to make the hydrant! The tank ran out of water and that's why they stopped. The next due engine must have been far away.
The operator can get his own water within a 100' in less then two minutes. Drill, drill, drill to get er down.
Can’t help but think if the first engine had started putting wet stuff on the hot stuff a lot earlier the outcome may have been better. Here in the Uk literally water is flowing seconds after the truck arrives on scene. Seems a common theme in the USA they take their sweet time
Not necessarily common, but we see it too frequently IMO. When I engineered, I had water flowing within 30 seconds of my boots hitting pavement.
@@kenmeinken8115 yup, I understand different countries have different practices but it does seem to the casual observer that in America getting water flowing is often a afterthought.
Question for you Richard.... Do fire engines/pumpers in the UK have to switch the transfer case/transmission from drive to PTO in order to pump water? All the engines/pumpers I have seen in the US have to manually make the switch over. Are the UK trucks like airport fire trucks where they can run the pump on the move? I am puzzled why more engines do not have a steerable monitor (deck gun) on the front bumper so they can drive up like an airport ARFF and start spraying as the inch up the driveway. I asked a 'pro' US firefighter why they don't, he said because you fight fires from the inside and you need to run a line.
@@kylegetler1946 yeah I’m fairly sure to pump water the PTO needs to be engaged on our trucks. Even so it’s not a long process and the first ones of the truck can grab a hose reel and be aiming water within a minute in general. Obviously there is limits due to tank capacity but others are usually Hooking into the nearest hydrant 👍
@@kylegetler1946 - Pierce makes a PUC pump that can be operated while the vehicle is in drive. For a residential structure fire, not really practical to flow water while approaching the building. Deck guns (in my experience) are usually mounted on top of the truck for better access 360 - you never know how the apparatus is going to be positioned relative to the building. Many of the things you are asking about would make sense on a brush truck, but not a typical pumper.
Love the criticism from amateurs. As others have pointed out, there is water on this fire from the moment the video starts so the attack actually began before the video yet everyone is complaining about the slow response.
The chief there needs to be removed from his job the firefighters need proper schooling this video was hard too watch they were treating this as a control burn
Not only that, they should’ve striked for more units, oh my, in my town a fire like this has 1+ tenders, 3 squads , 5 engines, 5 towers and 5 chiefs
By the time they put water on the fire, the entire neighborhood will be up in flames.
@@DBR00 ikr🤣
@@John_Montefalco 5 engines and 5 towers? Where exactly would you put all that equipment?! I’d hate to be a rate payer where you are if you bring that amount of equipment to a single family dwelling fire.
@@Jimmythefish577 when there’s a fire , our tones drop, we rather be safe then sorry and our response time is quick
I guess they wanted it to be fully involved before they put any water on it
See that on a lot of these videos
Agree. No one get hurt, work at a snail speed. Or let it burn so they get paid out no matter what.... Who knows.
@@aphil066 yep
Lol you guys are great
Lines need to charge. You can’t run over a charged line or it will blow. Need to get vehicles in position before they can charge lines
Notice how when the water came on, the first hose shot some water and then dribbled down? It pressurized pretty quick meaning it’s a new engine
Ever worked a pressure washer? Ever had to let it build up pressure for a few minutes before it worked
Do you guys know that detergent is mixed in with the water to absorb more heat? Straight water evaporates too fast.
The more you know
@@maximum2120 I don't know where you are from but we don't use detergent in our water. We use straight water. And it only takes our trucks just a split second to charge the line
Number one mistake: They drove right by the nearest hydrant with a known working fire. Stop the truck, unload the 5" (don't forget to wrap it around the hydrant) and take off! Now for mistakes 2-100...
Not necessarily a mistake. Our SOG states the first in engine gets to the fire as quickly as possible, if a positive water source is greater than 50 feet from the attack engine, the second engine gets the water.
There is so much wrong here, I almost didn't leave a comment. Clearly there was a significant delay in the alarm reaching the fire department. I'm nearly certain this had to do with the mom getting her children out...but almost all of us have cell phones these days - she should have been calling 911 while gathering her kids. This fire was well advanced before the first truck got there. Then there was the delay in getting the second engine there. The level of attack you can make depends on having enough fire fighters to make a rescue if the first in team gets in trouble. In the fire departments defense, I agree in this case on not sending a team inside with enough on location. BUT, that doesn't mean they couldn't have been spraying water on the outside to keep the loss down. They had the plug line down and connected. They had hand lines pulled and at the ready. You can hear the engine spin down at a point, which was probably due to running out of tank water. By this time, the plug should have been opened and at least 2 hand lines opened. When the second engine arrived, put lines 3 and 4 in operation. A place where I disagree with many departments - here we see then get a handle on the fire - then they either turned the lines off or changed focus like they thought an interior attack was possible. It wasn't and it would have been silly in this case to even try. They had it slowed down. They should have kept pouring the water on in volumes. I know, I know, we try to keep water damage to the minimum...but this house was already 2/3's gone - go ahead and put the fire out. I think someone below said some cats were lost. Sorry cat owners (me included) - cats(like kids) become frightened and go hide. Dogs rightly sense the danger and after a quick attempt to help the owner - they will find their own way out. If you are a mom and you cook, you should know how to knock down or put out a kitchen fire unless it is already up and rolling across the ceiling. If you don't know what to do, organize! Get your neighbors together and have an off-duty fire fighter come show you how - or get a class going at the local schools. Use this to learn. Next time the outcome can be much better. FYI, don't forget what we taught you in elementary school - stay low and crawl. These days it is not uncommon for the air temperature to be over 700 degrees just a few feet off the floor. One breathe and you are toast if you are standing. Good Luck!
it does look pretty bad. I wont deny that. my Father was a Fire Fighter and one thing i learned watching him and learning from him (as I was wanting to do the same job) is that sometimes it can come down to how far away the call is and how much time passes between the start of the fire and the 911 call. next to that there also comes what Trucks are currently not out on a call and how far the nearest fire station is, idk many details of where he lives or anything, so i couldn't lay that put for you. but my guess would either be what you said, or possibly they had a long response distance (or) trouble getting through traffic, as not everyone moves over. but yeah, it does look sloppy
What a 20 dollar fire extinguisher is way out of their budget lol. Just kidding I don’t know the circumstances of this tragic event but I keep 4 extinguishers throughout my house and garage
I agree with your first comment but I think if they could have been more aggressive ie an interior attack, they had the men and equipment, the structure was safe, they could have gone in and knocked down that fire. As for using a static ground monitor with foam, hand held lines would have been better. I know our building regs in the UK are different to that in the US but all Ff's basically are the same, we know when it's safe to go into a burning building (LOL) and when not to.
Great video, thank you. (Retired Ff London Fire Brigade)
HVFD...when does volume 2 come out?
@@cornelfrancis5048 I wouldnt go in there unless there was a human rescue, that house is an American suburban classic of cheap materials (TGI floors) and light weight truss roof think 2x6's held together with glue and metal plates, upon arrival of the first engine you can already see that the fire self vented near the rear of the structure, risk a lot to save a lot, risk a little to save a little.
What took so long for the so-called 'firefighters' to finally get water on the fire??? And to get the arial ladder truck in action??? Not a very impressive performance.
At least they don’t have to rebuild fire damaged house. Insurance will build them a new house
8lbs per gallon fire like this could easy need 10000 gallons or more. That a minimum of 80000lbs. When you see firefighter standing with their gear waiting for water. It is not there fault. Cheap developers and tax payer that don’t what to pay for a municipal city hydrant system. Don’t blame the firefighters. I been on the of Jose line that ran out waters down and you stand there here watch burn.
@@andyoreo333 well here, metered hydrant use is $1.49 / 1000 gallons. The cost of water is not the issue.
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Einstein, could you explain to me what a pound of waters got to do with this fire?
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Furthermore, it’s not about the gallons you need it’s about the application of the wet stuff on the red stuff! If this apparatus has 1000 gallons of water on it, that should been more than enough to knock down this far. However there is one caveat to this you must go find the fire. In this application they let the fire come to them.
I have seen fully involved houses, interior, of about 1300 ft.² get extinguish with less than 500 gallons of water. And once again it required my ass going in the front door and putting the water on the fire!
Damn shame. It was such a lovely home. Fire response could have been a lot better.
They certainly couldve been better, but the house was gone on arrival. The video starts with heavy black smoke from the rear of the house, theres a really big well established fire that you cant see on video. They watched the front room flashover, and they definitely have fire that has already extended to the attic. No dept, paid or volley, is putting that out and coming away with more than like 2/10ths of the structure and contents saved.
@@bigtate6304you are a complete idiot and obviously not a fire fighter. They had a chance to stop the advanced by putting some water on the fire when they arrived, instead they stood there and did nothing. Maybe they should have just packed up and let the place burn to the ground.
@@nmfd72 lol, learn to read smoke, before you get yourself or some other poor fuck killed. You're the definition of some fat tunnel visioned volly who vastly overestimate there own skillset. The main body of fire was at the rear of the house upon arrival, and had clearly already extended to division 2 and the attic. Should they have gotten a line in service exponentially faster, absolutely, but apart from looking better on camera the outcomes going to be the same
@13:28 "are you recording?" Damn right I am recording! I want the whole world to see these clowns!
So glad to know that the dog got out and I hope the cat ended up being ok too
The cat(s) may have a chance if they were in the area of the garage. Carbon monoxide would have got them if they were anywhere else. That is what kills in smoke inhalation. Plus the poisons but out by modern furnishings.
At least the camera gal looked good!
Not with that outfit
Not in that outfit? Did you expect her to wear a thong bikini to the fire LOL I'm trying to lighten up all this sadness of these fires
news team?
@David curtis I was not concerned about what she shot!
At least one professional showed up
I'm sure glad that isn't my fire department sure hope she had insurance!
If she has a mortgage, she has insurance.
If she did, she don't anymore.
Back in the day we had a designated plug catcher, who on que would jump off at the nearest plug with a wrench and the end of the supply hose and hook up while the rig layed into the scene and wait for the signal to charge the line. Guess that's not the practice here.
I can't believe they were flowing water from the outside for 2 minutes with a crew inside before they evacuated. Great job IC. Maybe you would like to go in while that's being done. Then just set up a monitor and aerial to drowned it when it's time to do overhaul.
Where was the safety officer ?
I watched a vehicle fire in the UK a few days ago. Upon arrival the fire fighters had 2 hoses on the fire in under 60 seconds. What is up with American firefighting and all the foundations saved?
Lack of training and organization is abominable! Late ladder setup appears to have never set outriggers prior to extending the ladder. So much left to be desired on every level on this department's performance. truly pathetic.
Absolute incompetence. Why to cities and towns spend all that money on equipment...the loss of property due to poor fire fighting tactics is beyond comprehension.
That TV lady was slower than the firefighters. But she got a good shot of smoke.
. . . oh these 30 seconds with that amazing lady in her beautiful burgundy dress . . . (05:50 to 06:20) . . . the lady with her showy flowery outfit comes a little late for some fiery pictures . . . and then - when the work is almost done - also ladder 121 finally is relieving itself and pissing some pints of whatever on the remaining ruins . . . wow - what a masterpiece !
I was going out of my mind waiting for these guys to get some water on the fire! If that was my house I would be going crazy!!!
Absolutely!
Seems like they had to wait for that other truck to get through before they could get that water going? It seemed like a long time, but they’re not stupid, there was a reason. There is literally this same comment in every video about a fire, most likely from people who have never fought a fire...
Totally. Put water on it.
Not to mention to forever to charge lines
If it was my house I would be livid.
It was already a total loss, b/c at 0:24 you can already see fire out both front, & back.
for all those not impressed by the fire fighters, remember this: a 3 man truck that was there BEFORE the video started. try to fight the fire, worry about people inside, establish a supply line, and wonder if you are going to get help. did anyone notice that tower truck came from another town.
You do mean 3-man engine. The truck is coming from another town- right? Two engines in a cul-de-sac. One leaves at 4:22. LDH charges at 5:00. Single attack line goes at 5:02. This is big fire spreading up two walls on AB, and most likely into the soffit. This video started at 0 minutes, not sure how long these two engines were there before. Short handed? Why are tax payers paying for deck guns if we are not going to use them. It takes one person to catch a hydrant. Behind the 8 ball, behind the 8 ball. Between those 2 engines there is 1000 gallons. Indeed a lot of standing and walking around. Should have been much better sense of urgency, regardless of man power.
@@MrEWS1966 ? was this a VOL. tear FD...or what dam.. not good at all...to slow...
Sure glad I am not paying taxes to support THAT fire company.
Sorry, not sorry. Being a firefighter for 32yrs, this is so disturbing to watch. OMG.
Take your time boys.. It'll probably go out on it's own after it's done.
Put...... the ..... fire..... out for the love of god 🤬
Wow!! No action plan. Lots of standing around. SOP's should state you catch a hydrant if smoke is showing. This fire department burned this house down. The lack of a response plan is embarrassing..
I'm not a firefighter, but this house was gone by the time FD got there. Flames shooting out of a and the c/d corner it looks like. All that smoke pushing out from the eaves and such, there was already nothing to save.
If anyone actually took the time to examine, they would realize the attack engine was out of tank water before the video started. As soon as the supply engine sent water, they opened the hand line. Without any tank water, the pump would have been idling, which is why there is a little pitter of water before the stream gets going. Don't just assume that these firefighters are standing around on purpose, they were prepared and had reset the fire before the video started. Context is key.
What evidence do you have to support your assumption? There were no lines stretched, much less charged before the video started, there was no water on the ground. The two handlines that were stretched by the one ff were both charged BEFORE the supply line was. Better watch the video again or just admit you are a troll.
@@HUBABUBA-il8fn Yep, you're right, I was wrong. I didn't watch the video in its entirety before I commented, I had only skimmed it. Not sure why you jumped straight to me being a troll.
@@vvrassler No problem, we all make mistakes, even me! Sorry for the troll comment but you were not the only one claiming a similar comment, and every thread has many.
Ah what were they waiting for the chief to tell them to hit the exterior fire
The little old lady just casually walking by. I’d be steering clear of the whole area.
My department trains on single man operations. Being a small department, we never know whos going to show. Train for the worst possible sistuation. I sincerely hope the learn from this.
Why are they just watching the house burn down?
So they just stand around and let it burn so thats why they are called basement savers
It’s not their property so they take as long as they want. Ladder is about 30 minutes late. Fire has burned itself out.
Why isn't anyone putting water on the fire? They're just standing there watching it burn.
Thay didn't know where to look for the water
The title is "Fire In My Neighborhood". For the first 5 minuets I was asking myself "Is there any water in your neighborhood.?"
Holy shit 5 minutes in they got water.... WOW
Longer than that. Truck was already there ate start IV viseo
wow, i dont even have words. never seen anything this horrible
A neighbor of mine had her house burn down in a matter of minutes. Her and her daughter managed to grab each side of her hutch of all things, and get it outside and not one plate was broken in spite of it landing on its front. She lost everything else. This was an old farm house so it went fast. It started behind a wall outlet in her living room. I had a fire in the house across the street from her. But it didn’t burn the house down, thank God.
I am amazed at the total lack of concern
maybe someone can deliver tea and biscuits while the firefighters watch the house burn down.
While I am not going to comment on tactics, I do think some clarity is needed regarding the operating environment. This occurred in Albemarle County, Virginia, which is a large, mostly rural section of the state. The Fire and Rescue Department is a mix of career and volunteer, with not all stations fully staffed 24 hours a day. Engines are staffed with a 3 person crew.
Judging by the voluminous smoke, there are clearly an array of assumptions that can be made regarding speed of the call made to 911, the interior design of the house and its contents, and the arrival time of the first in apparatus. Either way, the home was heavily involved in by the time the first engine arrived.
While one can argue that there was “not a sense of urgency”, it is still important to note the limited resources available, and the response time of said resources. Case in point, at the 4:20 mark you see Engine 151 enter the picture. If we are to assume they were dispatched from the station, that is about a 15 to 20 minute drive to this location.
Resources don't matter when you have a firefighter masked up with a charged hoseline and he simply chooses to not spray water.
@@patrickhamilton9242 his truck was empty when the video started, which means they had already put a lot of water on that fire.
My question is, what took so long to get hooked up the hydrant? I’m guessing the answer is a lack of manpower.
I'm sure the guys were trying hard but a very clear lack of training.
I really don't understand why the first in wouldn't lay in to the scene. It should be standard for any working fire. They had numerous hoses stretched when the video started. It takes time to pull them, stretch them, empty the tank. And the hydrant supply wasn't charged yet? Where did they have to jack it to?
The department and the chef need to be replaced .for lack of duty .what a shame. Thanks for the video.hope thay sue the city for lack of duty.
They even gave you guys a fire truck .then you stand and look at each other.can't do the job sign off.
What a lame response. Thankfully I live in a city that doesn’t mess around!
Clearly a fire department that goes on a lot of ems calls. That’s probably a once in a career fire for these guys. They need to train with a department that actually goes to fires, like the department I’m retired from.
Because, it's no fun to extinguish small fires...
The captain should be fired,terrible response time and workmanship. New leaders are needed here.
Nice Video! Looks like they're doing a control burn on Your neighbor's house!
It took them 38 min to spray water on the house
@@davidkoonz4336 actually less than 5 minutes.
No wonder it is called a Fire Department and not an Extinguishing Department.
WOW! what took so long to charge that line?! and who taught that guy how to lay a hose? oh maaaan.. sorry for the people who lived their.
Let's give a shout out to the fit newswoman in the flowered dress.
I'm glad it's not just me but the lack of urgency is mind boggling,its almost like they wanted it to burn down. If it were one of their own houses how fast would they have moved? Way to go F D the driveway can be salvaged.
LoL
I absolutely adore sarcasm....I am still laughing at your comment about the driveway.....
Not having all of the information that the I.C. had at the time of this alarm, I hesitate to make negative comments. I think that the positioning of the first due pumper was good, allowing room for the ladder. I question, however, why it took so long to get the first lines charged? I wonder why it took so long for more apparatus to arrive, being a career department. Also, if you are in a defensive mode, using master streams from the exterior, no one should be inside the structure, which makes me wonder why, at 11:15, evacuation horns were sounded. I believe this would be a good fire video to critique and learn from.
They had a couple of guys inside that walked out right after the horns were blown
I'd speculate that they started an attack with tank water and ran out, and it took a minute for the water supply to be established. It looks like they had already been charged.
The guy on the quick attack monitor was about 10' too close as well, not to mention the use of it before interior crews were out. Kinda wish we could've seen the arrival.
Your N idiot !!!! They put the water on the the fuel ,,, discussion over!!!
Even being a career department you don't what how many apparatus they have or any mutual aid agreement...Being Crash Rescue(ARFF/Military) and structural we used a two pumper concept but if one pumper was out of service we had no problems adapting and sometimes used a crash vehicle on structural calls as a back up. Our department had 60 full time firefighters and 9 on a crew. One man left back to cover crash rescue.....and one man manned the alarm room. If we needed more men our Fire Inspectors 7 of them, would respond right away and we would initiate a recall.
Why don’t the firemen put water on the front of the house at the start , they seem to let it burn, is that deliberate? I know the fireman did put water on after several minutes, but wondered why let it burn so much at start?
I see fire,I see trucks & lights but I don't see water on the fire.🤔
5 minutes on scene before they started putting water on it? and that’s just what we see in the recording. My chief would fire all of us.
If their volunteer firefighters I think they did a great job. Also, even city fire departments that get paid look for trapped people first.If there are no hydrant they have to get a truck filled with water.The fact that they are volunteer fire fighters They come from different areas Their jobs too Go as fast as they can to pick up the trucks They have their life on the lives without pay. God Bless all volunteer fire fighters.Did you even consider traffic?
Sherry wrote above. She loves in Philadelphia pa
Wow 4:52 to flow water with a hydrant feet away...That's sad, foundation savers!
And ~1000 gallons on the engine. They waited to get the hydrant charge. Terrible!
to all the sideline fireman in the comments. 1 engine is all you see in the beginning of the video, maybe 4-5 guys and 1000 gallons of water, that's not going to put the fire out. much like an iceberg, what you see coming out the front of the house is only a small portion of the fire, entire back of the structure is ablaze. Safety is always top, setup for the attack while the other engine is on the way and your connecting to a water supply. Save the 750 gallons for safety and surrounding structures. Once you have everything setup then start your attack which is exactly what they did. Im not a fireman, but my dad was a fire chief, my brother in law is a fire chief, my cousin is a fire chief and many other family members are on the force. I basically lived at the station when i was little so i know enough to comment. SAFTEY FIRST, this company did the best they could..
This is just unbelievable. They are standing around waiting for orders
Ahhhh no, they aren't