ORT Boss Guide (Fate/Grand Order)

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  • Опубликовано: 14 янв 2025

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  • @PGM991
    @PGM991 7 дней назад +31

    be warned, ORT have passive skill that break the 4th wall and reduce your FPS considerably.

    • @canaldecasta
      @canaldecasta 7 дней назад +7

      The map already is bad enough for me. Will ORT destroy my phone?

    • @PGM991
      @PGM991 7 дней назад +6

      @canaldecasta i have to move to PC emulator when fighting it in JP...
      my potato phone is 5-10 FPS ... literally unplayable
      ORT is fearsome lol

  • @cameraredeye3115
    @cameraredeye3115 6 дней назад +14

    TL;DR in case you didn't watch the video...
    Chapter 20, you get a warmup session with a baby ORT. Use that to get familiar with its passives.
    Raid begins in Chapter 21. 11 bars with 1 million HP each. Bring 1 Servant at a time to maximize efficiency. Priortize class advantage. Remember, ORT auto-wipes the party on Break and you can't avoid this.
    Chapter 22, the second phase begins. ORT is now even stronger, but you only need to deplete 5 bars with 1.2 million HP each. Now you may want to start bringing your stronger Servants. Once ORT gets down to 2 bars, its penultimate bar will be instantly broken by (spoilers) and the raid ends. You get everyone back here. Last bar is 3 million HP, which you must deplete in one go.
    Finally, there's ORT Xibalba. 7 bars totaling 1.7 million HP. Be ready for anything, including a gimmick on the final bar that lets ORT eject your Servants from the fight by scoring critical hits until you have one Servant left. Put your best single-target DPS up front and give it all you've got.

  • @somestupidname2
    @somestupidname2 6 дней назад +25

    I cheesed this fight so hard I should probably be ashamed. I sent low servants out 1 at a time with a K scope (non limit broken) They would get hit around a bit the first round if they didn't have a battery, fire off their NP and either win or die in the 3rd round. I was saving my high rarity servants for later but never got to them. The servants themselves were Max Ascension but not max leveled and often had a 1/1/1 skill line. I call it the Zapp Brannigan strategy. By the end I actually felt a little bad for Ort. I say that but I am going to do the exact same thing this time around. Anyways good luck to everyone fighting Ort.

    • @cheems6193
      @cheems6193 2 дня назад +1

      I am still super scared dude I don't have kscope but only a MLB 50% from previous ibuki event artic I think that's my highest np loader :(

    • @somestupidname2
      @somestupidname2 День назад

      @@cheems6193 I am sure you will be fine. As ZTL says it's not as scary as it seems. You may not be able to quite cheese it but if you do what he says you should win. The key really is having lots of servants to throw at Ort. Now I would prioritize throwing the low Rarity ones first. Stick with small teams, maybe solo where you can and you should be fine.

  • @Rumia_is_my_light
    @Rumia_is_my_light 7 дней назад +58

    Kaleidoscope + Mage's Association Uniform

    • @Rumia_is_my_light
      @Rumia_is_my_light 7 дней назад +17

      And only one servent at a time.

    • @theonewhospeaksfacts
      @theonewhospeaksfacts 7 дней назад +2

      Either that or run a mlb necromancy instead of kaleidoscope or the fun of it

    • @azamatfleming5427
      @azamatfleming5427 7 дней назад +1

      Why does the Mage Assoc Uniform work well? Because of its NP charge and healing?

    • @Rumia_is_my_light
      @Rumia_is_my_light 7 дней назад +6

      @@azamatfleming5427 np charge alone. It has the highest np charge of any mystic code at 20%.

    • @azamatfleming5427
      @azamatfleming5427 6 дней назад +3

      @@Rumia_is_my_light gotcha. Well, I’m glad that mine is already Lv10

  • @neves783001
    @neves783001 6 дней назад +14

    Imagine ORT's humiliation from being beaten by wave after wave of Servants in swimsuits.
    To its credit, at least ORT can have its own harem within it for the whole raid's duration.

    • @Kumo-s6f
      @Kumo-s6f 5 дней назад +4

      "That harem's on rent, and it's the first of the month." -Guda

    • @neves783001
      @neves783001 2 дня назад

      @@Kumo-s6f ORT: "Here, you can have your harem back. I already am my own harem."
      (Summons itself as Grand Foreigner, inheriting the traits of Guda's harem.)

  • @caoscore6285
    @caoscore6285 5 дней назад +5

    Ive been spending way too many mats to fully ascend almost all my servants, my chaldea is ready to unleash a whooping never seen before

  • @La3nus
    @La3nus 6 дней назад +7

    I'm not terrified... I'm excited. I have so many levelled Servants I almost never use who are finally going to get to stretch their legs.

  • @GD0nly
    @GD0nly 7 дней назад +6

    The main boss is the frame rate, but when you're fighting the sub boss ORT, there is a "Reset the raid" button to set you back to the start of the 1st or 2nd phase.

  • @ObiFGO
    @ObiFGO 6 дней назад +9

    I literally ran out of servants by second form and used my FP to summon a billion lvl 1 1 stars and just chucked them at ort until I beat it. Took hours but you can totally cheese it if you have the resources to do so.

  • @Ceadra01
    @Ceadra01 7 дней назад +7

    I've been taking advantage of all the half ap daily quests through our the year to fully level, ascend, and get most skills to 4/4/4. Coming for you ORT.

  • @jakealucard1873
    @jakealucard1873 5 дней назад +3

    For two years I've dreaded this but the closer I get to ort the more I realize I don't really have anything to worry about

  • @sonokawaray
    @sonokawaray 6 дней назад +7

    For me, looking up JP footage of the raid was like Zeratul in Starcraft 2 seeing the In Utter Darkness timeline and soiling himself (assuming Protoss can do that). Realized my account was *definitely* not ready for that, and spent last year's lottos in an 80's movie training montage getting as many servants as I could up to their level caps and at least 4/4/4 skills. Giant bug's either going down or getting one heck of a meal.

  • @thanatos2684
    @thanatos2684 6 дней назад +6

    I picked up the game November 2023 and got to ORT by April 2024
    Honestly you can win just by chucking 3*s and 4*s at it, one or two at a time. I was so concerned with saving my 5*s over the course of the fight that in the end I didn’t even use them until the final two phases where you get everyone back anyway lol

  • @deathgod1142
    @deathgod1142 7 дней назад +4

    at a certain point in the raid you get a damage and hp buff so I started throwing my single target unleveled DPS's at ORT with a Kscope

  • @theazureknight9399
    @theazureknight9399 7 дней назад +17

    He can't be worse than Cernnunos.

    • @guilhermegaspar752
      @guilhermegaspar752 7 дней назад +9

      Famous last words

    • @shauqiharris2772
      @shauqiharris2772 6 дней назад +1

      Nah, you'd win

    • @KaedharaTS
      @KaedharaTS 6 дней назад +3

      He is, Indeed, worse than totoro alter.
      Especially since you need Big pp damage and *A LOT* of servants to Finish at least the first and second phase

    • @nicolacanfori6187
      @nicolacanfori6187 6 дней назад +2

      He's not. ORT is a grind, you need enough servants to blow through his bars, but a) the majority of the fight is a raid, which is never hard, and b) the final "real" boss fight is nowhere as hard as Cernunnos.

    • @oudomm8625
      @oudomm8625 6 дней назад

      he is

  • @Bring07
    @Bring07 7 дней назад +8

    Since I play FGO on my tablet, I'm looking forward to spaghetti code making ORT impossible.

  • @samblindao5421
    @samblindao5421 7 дней назад +7

    Just going to say that Robin Hood can obliterate his saber bar with a non mlb black grail (PLEASE LASENGLE RELEASE A NEW ROBIN HOOD, WE HAVE LIKE 5 HASSANS ALREADY PLEASE)

  • @ceoofjeanneism6777
    @ceoofjeanneism6777 6 дней назад +6

    Just wanna say that was a solid QSHD run

  • @powermixer8
    @powermixer8 7 дней назад +3

    Thematically even the preview of ORT in lb 7 part 1 was intense. I love the story building it up as the threat.

  • @78Protons
    @78Protons 6 дней назад +4

    I’ve been playing for almost 3 months now on JP,. Kaleidoscope for dps servants, and for support servants use Volumen Hydrargyrum.
    (Always pay attention to when you can use Mash again)
    I only had 56 servants fully ascended and almost all of them were welfares and silver/bronze servants. I only have 8 SSR’s and 7 are fully ascended. You don’t need high rarity servants to beat this.

  • @andrewsisson6536
    @andrewsisson6536 7 дней назад +5

    My account IS years old and chock full of OP servants. I didn't break a sweat for Demeter or Fluffy, so I figure I'll handle this one, too.

  • @ChaosDemon7744
    @ChaosDemon7744 7 дней назад +4

    My boy ztl reassuring my potato box can handle the boogiman

  • @masterbuilder0377
    @masterbuilder0377 7 дней назад +8

    Sorry to hear that you lost your footage of ORT raid fight

  • @nurventilatoren
    @nurventilatoren 7 дней назад +3

    Kaleidoscope, my old friend.

  • @kxem16
    @kxem16 7 дней назад +4

    ORT, instead of killing my JP account... it almost killed my old phone instead with how much it lagged.

  • @Animfateblade874
    @Animfateblade874 7 дней назад +4

    ORT: (Sniff) I smell the delicious food is coming at me. I would be ready to eat my lunch soon! 🙏🤤

    • @kagato3
      @kagato3 6 дней назад

      Serenity, I have a mission for you.

    • @Animfateblade874
      @Animfateblade874 6 дней назад

      @@kagato3 ORT: (Absorb Serenity) That's delicious food. But the poison has no affect me. 🙂 Give me more food. 😋

    • @cameraredeye3115
      @cameraredeye3115 6 дней назад

      Kama: Then how about a taste of infinite love? "Samsara Kama."

    • @Animfateblade874
      @Animfateblade874 6 дней назад

      @@cameraredeye3115 ORT: Your charm has no affect me too. But thank to coming for me. (Absorb Kama) That's so delicious. Someone bring more the food for me. 🍽

  • @DorgenHexor
    @DorgenHexor 7 дней назад +7

    Looking forward to bricking my account on Ort. My incompetence knows no bounds.

    • @sonokawaray
      @sonokawaray 6 дней назад +3

      Fortunately they let you rewind to the start of the raid in case you lose everyone or want a do-over.

    • @DorgenHexor
      @DorgenHexor 6 дней назад +2

      That's the cowards way out. Every new servant is another for the meat grinder.

    • @Zinyzany
      @Zinyzany 6 дней назад

      ​@@DorgenHexorbased af

  • @anonnimoose7987
    @anonnimoose7987 6 дней назад +4

    Throw wave after wave of disposable minions

  • @omitempest6015
    @omitempest6015 7 дней назад +3

    Well, I'm a firm believer that FGO is another time line were ORT was hurt somehow 6 million years ago, thus, this ORT is "doable" as an enemy.

    • @nicolacanfori6187
      @nicolacanfori6187 6 дней назад +1

      No need to be a believer, it's exactly like that. I won't go into spoilery details, but he is EXTREMELY weakened lore-wise compared to what his normal strength should be.

    • @omitempest6015
      @omitempest6015 6 дней назад

      @nicolacanfori6187
      Thanks for not spoiling it since the cut off part was on ort, but from what Caz said and how Kukulcan behaves. I'm assuming it had something to do with them both

  • @yuan5154
    @yuan5154 7 дней назад +4

    your looking at a raid boss as a hard boss?
    the rest of us are looking at this as a farming boss

  • @bigfan10-gaming79
    @bigfan10-gaming79 7 дней назад +3

    Funny enough I just pulled Enkidu, which gives me A Power Mod for Threat against Humanity

  • @Shax22132
    @Shax22132 5 дней назад +2

    Thanks for the video and the information.

  • @izumolee6714
    @izumolee6714 6 дней назад +7

    I remember when Cerno came out on JP and everyone was saying how much of a b*tch that guy was and when he released on NA, the fight wasn't as bad as people said it was. Took out my Yang and clapped it in a couple of turns.
    The only annoying thing i do know about the ORT fight is that it's pretty long, so you need to have the time to sit through that entire fight. Spare about 20-30 mins of free time if possible.

    • @Gumshoe08
      @Gumshoe08 6 дней назад +2

      Cernunos fight was hard tho specially for newer players that dont have meta and maxxed out servants.

    • @izumolee6714
      @izumolee6714 6 дней назад +2

      @@Gumshoe08 Global is like 2 years behind so we know what is coming more or less, so if players can't plan ahead than that's more on the player than the fight itself. For the Cerno fight i knew Yang was good against it, so i planned ahead to pull for her once her banner was out.
      A lot of my servants are only NP1 and even as a casual player the majority of my servants are max level with all of them with skills at 6/6/6 and most at 9/9/9 or 10/10/10 depending on most used.
      Besides if you are a new player you shouldn't be worried about Cerno or ORT as their main objective is get their servants leveled, focusing on events especially lotto ones as the MSQ stuff aren't going anywhere so new players should take their time instead of trying to rush their account to catch up.

    • @NightWing1800
      @NightWing1800 4 дня назад

      Clairvoyance EX is really powerful. Going in blind and not being able to pull ahead? Yeah, Cern would have been a demom. I even struggled against him a bit with my Yang, but thats because I botched the plan a bit. But if I didnt know that Cern was a fight, I probably wouldnt even have pulled for her and would have struggled with that fight a lot more.

  • @Xenosix
    @Xenosix 6 дней назад +4

    bro is only lv1 leave him alone imagine if he had a real weapon

  • @ph3rtehHDawg
    @ph3rtehHDawg 6 дней назад +2

    I'll be sure to equip my MLB Kaleidoscope CE every time so I can get at least one NP's worth of damage each battle, maybe include a Black Grail, as well. Most of my Servants are at their non-Grailed max level, so I think I should be okay. Hopefully.

  • @tallesrodrigues5994
    @tallesrodrigues5994 7 дней назад +3

    Lucky for me I recently changed my Samsung A1, it was crashing every turn of the fight against Koyanskaya Beast. (the fight took an hour thanks to that)

  • @AnnaGottin
    @AnnaGottin 7 дней назад +3

    OR just send 1 servant and make it possible for them to NP. I beat ORT in jp with mostly lower stars and a few 4 stars

  • @canaldecasta
    @canaldecasta 7 дней назад +2

    Im still in Chichen Itza bruh 😭
    Not getting Rasputin was a mind-breaking moment.

    • @KaedharaTS
      @KaedharaTS 6 дней назад

      I'm guarding my Rasputin, Douman and xu fu for the last fight.
      I WILL kill that spider

  • @xarc831
    @xarc831 6 дней назад +2

    Black grail and the 1st mystic code did it for me

  • @DarkSonicSpear
    @DarkSonicSpear 7 дней назад +4

    ....you can literally just throw leveled 3 stars with 1/1/1 skills and a non mlb black grail at him. You don't even need supports, just class advantage gets you there.

    • @Fureiji88
      @Fureiji88 7 дней назад +1

      You say that but I'm going to be none of y'all actually did what you're suggesting

    • @SavageDroppinDaBeats
      @SavageDroppinDaBeats 6 дней назад

      @@Fureiji88there’s a couple videos showing people beating ORT with only low stars or welfares. And last I checked Mash can be reused but it’s on like a 3 fight cooldown or something, so she’s always available to chump out a fight where his class is too annoying to effectively clear

    • @DarkSonicSpear
      @DarkSonicSpear 6 дней назад +2

      ​@@Fureiji88 I mean it's literally how I did it. It's a raid. You don't have to clear a bar every fight, the damage caries over. You can literally throw your full servant box at it.
      Just mighty chain your way to an NP, blow your load, and die. Rinse and repeat with class advantage.

  • @dawsonbusenbark3945
    @dawsonbusenbark3945 4 дня назад +3

    ORT is a numbers game. You want as many fully leveled servants as you can get. OP supports? 🤷🏼‍♀️ 10/10/10 skills? 🤷🏼‍♀️ A few dozen 3-4* servants fully leveled? 🥳 I beat it on JP with a 6 month old account. Given, JP had Evocation servants so i had like 6 more 4* servants than I would have on NA, but mind you i had 2 5* servants (waver and bakatoria).

  • @SamGarcia
    @SamGarcia 7 дней назад +3

    All my Servants are at least level 60 for low stars or 70 for higher, so I think I should be okay

    • @splat338
      @splat338 7 дней назад +1

      For 5* and 4* I recommend atleast take them to 90-80 so that they'd have more health and just make sure their skills are lvled to atleast 5 or more

  • @darkhound34
    @darkhound34 7 дней назад +1

    I'm going to see how far Fujino will take me on the saber rotation. Also Enkidu against threats against humanity.

  • @fatrat9021
    @fatrat9021 6 дней назад +4

    just worried since this is my first year playing and my box is pretty underdeveloped, just straight up lacking good dps for some classes

    • @cameraredeye3115
      @cameraredeye3115 6 дней назад +3

      In your case, I would recommend taking your time building up your roster as you play through the story. This raid is not time-limited (unlike in the events) so wait until you're ready before going up against ORT. The whole raid is a roster check.

  • @yonatanabraha7083
    @yonatanabraha7083 7 дней назад +4

    Solo the fight. All the way to showdown

  • @chrisnigro6721
    @chrisnigro6721 7 дней назад +1

    I managed to beat him on jp while only having like 16 servants that weren’t lv 1

  • @Shinyman5000
    @Shinyman5000 7 дней назад +4

    Just curious, but I have some Servants that are close to maxing out skills, but do I need every Servants skills maxed to stand a decent chance?

    • @kagato3
      @kagato3 6 дней назад

      From the sounds of it people have won by just feeding it level 1 servants and doing a death by paper cuts so no you don't need maxed skills . levels, skills and strong servants will just make it not be the summer 1 crab fight again (aka it took hours to kill)

  • @cfogarty07
    @cfogarty07 6 дней назад +1

    I am just going to use one servant at a time

  • @sigmundr2148
    @sigmundr2148 7 дней назад +4

    Hard to explain, but are the servants used locked per dupe or as a character? Like could i use a lvl1 chen gong in one team and my 65 in another? Or would the lvl1 lock the 65 from use?

    • @cameraredeye3115
      @cameraredeye3115 6 дней назад

      It's locked by name. I.E. one copy going DATA LOST affects the rest of them.

  • @Audes777
    @Audes777 7 дней назад +1

    Hmm, I just checked and with 71 Servants at level 80 and higher, 19 at 70 and a bunch of people whose levels have remained low because I grailed a few of my favorites for more damage output... yeah I think I am going to be alright. Maybe I should farm a few more exp cards for the 3 stars that I have left at level 60 tho.

  • @Zinyzany
    @Zinyzany 6 дней назад +3

    I am curious what happens if you lose all your servants before defeating ORT.

    • @anonnimoose7987
      @anonnimoose7987 6 дней назад

      You restart

    • @Zinyzany
      @Zinyzany 6 дней назад

      @anonnimoose7987 eek that would suck if you were a good way through

    • @anonnimoose7987
      @anonnimoose7987 6 дней назад

      Good way through => reset up to UFO form

  • @R3QV13m
    @R3QV13m 6 дней назад +1

    I'd say just go for 3 each time.

  • @cyechan50
    @cyechan50 6 дней назад +3

    I bought a new tablet for frame clipping phone desoywr ort

  • @elibiosanchez4174
    @elibiosanchez4174 7 дней назад +1

    I have my servants maxed to bully this thing 🗿
    edit: you can just solo ort, its easy

  • @44milosLP
    @44milosLP 6 дней назад +3

    So it is multiple nodes fight or what?

    • @nicolacanfori6187
      @nicolacanfori6187 6 дней назад +8

      You basically fight him while chasing him before he ends up destroying the world. He's a solo raid, meaning you can't pick supports, and yes, each time you fight him is a different battle. You need to go through something like 15 break bars during the "raid" stage, and he eats your servants every time, but you can just put a single servant out each time, there's no lower party limit. Each time you fight he changes class, regardless of you breaking the bar or not. He starts as Foreigner, and goes through the 7 base classes and foreigner. Then you get all your servants back and go for the final boss fight.
      Tips: THE DAMAGE CARRIES OVER, so if you don't break a bar, the damage you did will still be there on the following fight. You can use Mash multiple times, if she's defeated she gets a "cooldown" before she can fight again, but she's never removed completely. He doesn't eat your CEs, so you can re-use them over and over. The base Chaldea mystic code is fantastically strong, because you can get a heal, a damage buff and a turn of dodge out of it, and when you're fielding a single servant that is basically everything you need. Also, you get a massive damage buff, so don't be too worried about it. If his class is a horrible counter for your roster, throw a level 1 servant at him so he changes class again. If you fuck up badly for whatever reason, you CAN reset him completely and start over.

  • @namasteku6329
    @namasteku6329 7 дней назад +1

    Is wvery servant that lose still get bond exp? Or only the last stand servant get bond exp?

  • @hellrider22393
    @hellrider22393 7 дней назад +2

    Is this really a raid boss? Is it timed? Will it be a situation like Solomon temple???

    • @SamGarcia
      @SamGarcia 7 дней назад

      reading the comments on Facebook about the fight, it's not a timed raid, some people have been doing it for months on and off

    • @nicolacanfori6187
      @nicolacanfori6187 6 дней назад

      It's functionally a solo raid (no supports) format-wise, but it's not timed. Also, you CAN reset it completely and start over if you fuck up.

    • @DaisukeSN
      @DaisukeSN 6 дней назад

      It's a solo boss (the word raid comes due to the long hp bars I guess), not time gated, also you can take the time you want to do it, it's just... by the way it looks a LOOONG battle where if he wipes out a Servant you won't be able to use that Servant in the nexts phases that you battle him until you defeat it completely (or that's what I understand)

  • @SJohann
    @SJohann 7 дней назад +4

    Honestly, the only strategy you need for ORT is to use Mash.

    • @Wightmares
      @Wightmares 7 дней назад

      Yeah, for one wave!
      Mash along with every other servant that loses the fight gets “Eaten” and becomes unusable until you literally either beat the boss or reset the entire raid

    • @theonewhospeaksfacts
      @theonewhospeaksfacts 7 дней назад +5

      ​@@Wightmaresactually no, if mash dies like lets say on the 7th bar, after 4 bars she'll be back so like on the third bar. Thats kinda a cool side gimmick

    • @dragonmasterxl8394
      @dragonmasterxl8394 7 дней назад +7

      @@Wightmares No, Mash just gets put on a cooldown after she dies for 4 battles. So you can just keep on deploying her once every 4 battles.
      The rest still get eaten tho, But at worst you need only a handfull of 'ok' servant's.

    • @Wightmares
      @Wightmares 7 дней назад

      Oh wow, I did not know that
      That explains the “jump back” though

    • @Wightmares
      @Wightmares 7 дней назад +1

      Didn’t know that, lol
      I think I will be OK. I have more than enough
      My goal is to finish ORT with my level 100 Salome at the killing battle!
      I WILL HAVE HIS HEAD OF MY SILVER PLATTER! FEMME FATAL BAISER!!!

  • @KingoftheCavern
    @KingoftheCavern 7 дней назад

    I'm just going in blind more fun that way

  • @alonch.9752
    @alonch.9752 День назад

    Are lvl 9 skill ok?, cause I don't have that many crystallized lore...😅

  • @datnoob4394
    @datnoob4394 2 дня назад

    Wait wait, so when you lose ORT doesn't go back to full health each time? you can chip damage him?

    • @TheBestVillain
      @TheBestVillain 2 часа назад

      Yeah, there's a video on RUclips where legit 1-3* servants ONLY were beating him

  • @marksap89
    @marksap89 6 дней назад +1

    raw dog 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @ghostyuki-kfpinquisitor1038
    @ghostyuki-kfpinquisitor1038 7 дней назад +1

    11:40 ordeal call 7? Lol

  • @scorpion4047
    @scorpion4047 7 дней назад

    I was able to beat with my 3 monts old account too ,its really not hard

    • @criptpikachu8054
      @criptpikachu8054 6 дней назад

      You also beat lb6 with a 3 month account? How?

    • @kagato3
      @kagato3 6 дней назад

      @@criptpikachu8054 likely command spells, and continue rocks.

    • @cameraredeye3115
      @cameraredeye3115 6 дней назад

      ​@@kagato3 In that case, he's screwed. The final fight of LB7 doesn't allow party revives -- you either beat it in one go, or you restart.
      Getting past ORT won't be too terribly hard with a 3-month account. But there's one final battle in Chapter 23 that's a DPS check, and it forces you to restart if you fail.

    • @scorpion4047
      @scorpion4047 6 дней назад

      @@cameraredeye3115 I had already beaten all main story chapters except for oc3 since I don't have access to do it ,

    • @scorpion4047
      @scorpion4047 6 дней назад

      @@kagato3 I only used revive cubs in fluffy boy yet I don't even think I can beat that thing without it regardless of how well raised my account is ,it just feels impossible