Bryan is right. I bought a Pitbull stand back on 2001 when I first got my Honda CBR929RR. Multiple bikes, different brands on my garage, no problem, because it's adjustable. It's still solid and no problems whatsoever after 16, going to its 17 year. It's definitely an investment.
Multiple bikes here too, cheap ass bikestand he crushed here still does its work after 9 years of hard use. I even practice my leaning off at the track on those.... Never had a problem. NEVER
I have some trackside stands after my pitbulls got stolen. The difference between the two stands is just as big a difference between Yamaha and Hyosung. Do the trackside's work? Yes they do. Does my RR wobble on them? Yes it does. Bottom line you get what you pay for, and a quality stand is a lot cheaper than buying a new swingarm & bodywork if your bike takes a dive.
I ve NEVER seen or heard someone having his bike dropped on cheap stands cause theyre cheap stands. I do however have seen as much bikes go down on expensive stands as cheap stands cause of inappropriate use by the owner Cheap stand are WAY well enough for 99,99999999% of riders
Those cheap eBay stands are for the people who found a used half working 250 or a dirt bike. If you have anything that’s worth it, you wouldn’t want even the possibility of it falling. Imagine an H2 on a Ali stand, $30,000 right down the toilet. Love the videos! Coming out this Sunday to Plymouth, WI to see Max race and a bike race in general for the first time!!
That very slight angle is huge! I once tried to put a car up on a jack cause a tire blew out. Mistakenly didn't think about the car being over dirt and the jack collapsed because of that small lean angle. The weight of the car then damaged the jack itself and was rendered useless.
Literally just got that front Pitbull stand 2 days ago as an early Christmas gift from my wife. Kinda hard to keep the gift a secret when it comes in a factory box with giant logos on the sides!
And yet you sell the Vortex stand. How does this compare to the woodcraft and pitbull (I watched your video, the question is rhetorical)? Please do part 3 and put that bike on the Vortex stands and compare. This video is much better than part one. Stick with the facts as you see it. I cant fault you for that.
The Vortex stand will work for casual use but I would not use it for racing or track days. IMO you are best served to invest in a quality stand the you will literally NEVER NEED TO REPLACE. Personally I like part one more than this one. - Van
Alrighty! Ordered the Pit Bull rear stand (spool version), AND the Pit Bull Hybrid Dual Lift motorcycle front stand. Not taking chances with my beautiful 600-lb beast. ;)
Get an old wreck that's fit for the crusher, then push it sideways until it falls off the rear cheap stand( no loosening nuts now!). That'll convert the doubters. 😁
I was an idiot and originally bought trackside stands for my R6 because they were cheap. These things are very flimsy and wobble like crazy, now I know why they are so cheap. I immediately went out and bought a pitbull, the difference is night and day. Dont be an idiot like I was and spend the extra couple bucks, peace of mind is priceless.
I'm really impressed and feel way more secure about lifting my expensive bike completely off the ground using my new Pit Bull stands. You learn something every day. I got rid of the cheapo 2 piece bolt together Chinese stand. Thanks Brian for saving my bike!
I know the video is old but thank you. I do have the Harbor F, and I do like it. The front stand and swing arm stand are of cheaper brands than that of a Pit Bull or a Woodcraft. Truth be told I never really researched stands. I just bought the ones in the store. They have worked for years until just recently almost damage my 2012 Busa cause the front stand move, and the bike came off the front stand. I was by myself in the garage. It took everything I had to catch the bike get the front stand pitched backup so I could get the wheel from between the stand. The harbor F held the back, but if I had not caught my bike in time, the whole bike would have fallen. I have always trusted your reviews and opinion about the gear and equipment you sold. I definitely will be upgrading and pray I never have to hold my bike like that again. Thank you!
I just bought a used pitbull stand, it does not have the option for a axle holder.. So its pre 2006 correct? Im amazed at how sturdy n hefty it truly is.. Some metal polish n wd40 it looks great.. Amazing and at least 14 years old
I had a cheap stand front and back, put bike up, then it jumped off the back stand when bumping slightly into it. Got some hard ass stands after that and never looked back.
IMO the quality stands are well worth the money because you will only need to buy them once. I have had the same stands for many years with many different bikes. - Van
Hey Brain, are there any other good alternatives to the Woodcraft or the Pitbull stands? Because the shipping to Switzerland would be way too expensive ($317) and I also can't buy them locally.. Thanks in advance
I just bought a woodcraft rear stand from your site, it's my first bike and I've never used stands obviously, it would be cool if you did a video on loading and unloading on stands imo
Pitbull stands are forever! Went from an 848 evo to a 1200S Monster. Only had to order a new pin. I run my bike during the winter on its stand (single sided swingarm) and I wouldn't trust any other stand.
The one thing people don’t realize is that having the bike on the stand is just one use, but you will almost certainly jump on the bike while it’s on the stand, and that where things get scary. That wiggle room this guy showed turns into a scary situation with ur added extra weight on that cheapo stand
I have a ninja 400. I want a pit bull stand but I need spools first. It takes 8 mm size but on pit bull size chart it says it needs a spacer. Can you or anyone else explain this?
Here is a link to the Driven Spools for the Ninja 400, these are the same ones we have on our bike. www.sportbiketrackgear.com/driven-d-axis-swingarm-spools-kawasaki-ninja-400-2018/
riders know, you don't want a wobbly stand. happened to my boy on his zx14. We had just talked about this same topic few weeks before. His driveway has a slight angle to the left so its not totally flat. He raised his zx by the rear with some cheap stand, and no problem what so ever it raised it up alright and once the bike was higher in the air along with that slight angle it just kept going to the left. bike, stand and all. same drive way, same angle been living there one year plus same circumstances has yet to have that problem again after buying a pitpull. another instance I've been privvy to. Non rider didn't know any better and leaned against a bike on a rear stand that bitch went over toot sweet and fast. I've leaned, sat, pushed on and done some pretty reckless things on my pitbull rear stand. I've never had a problem to date. Have had my pitbull rear and front since 2012.
That zx14 is heavier than the load the cheap stands can handle AND THEY LET YOU KNOW THAT BY A GIANT STICKER AND MANUAL!!! NOT THE STANDS FAULT... THE USERS FAULT.
I've had very good luck with my vortex rear stand for sportbikes which I've been using for around 5 years. I don't know if I'd put an 800 lb bike on it but for 300-500 its no issue. I have Oxford front paddock stand coming, going to see how it works.
Why would anyone try to argue about this? They would risk their bikes on a 20 dollar Ali baba special that a person can easily tear a part? Dam man that stand just ripped apart like Hulk Hogans phonebook.
Hey Mr Van, trying to decide on a new front stand to go with my antique pitbull( one of the very first he sold out of his trailer at little talledega gp, still use daily) Which is the best front lift stand you carry at STG?
Depends on whether you want to lift from the fork bottom or the triple tree. Pit Bull Hybrid Forklift Motorcycle Front Stand www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pit-bull-hybrid-forklift-motorcycle-front-stand/ Pit Bull Hybrid Headlift Motorcycle Front Stand www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pit-bull-hybrid-headlift-motorcycle-front-stand/
@@sportbiketrackgear lifting from the tree so I can do fork revalves seals etc. Various bikes Tuono, Streetfighter, gsxr1000,cbr Wasn't sure if the pitbull or Woodcraft be the best. I have not really heard much about the Woodcraft front lift, and I really respect your input.
I see stands in the same bracket as helmets, sure they may look the same but the quality is in the production and materials. Think bell ran an ad once, got a $10 head get a $10 helmet, same with stands. I value my head just as much as my bike
Can you please recommend some good stand that is as premium as Woodcraft or Pitbull, but from Europe, since import costs and shipping from USA would be very costly? Thanks!
@@sportbiketrackgear Thanks a lot for your answer! I just ordered an "official" one from Kawasaki and can give feedback after I try it out. Maybe I can try to perform the breaking test that you do lol
LMAO... That was awesome man. Well said. People get so butt hurt nowadays when hearing the truth. I'm a firm believer in getting what you pay for. By the way, Corey got me squared away today with the abs attachment to the Pitbull stand for the 2015+ R1 from you guys. Seems like an awesome young man and very helpful. Can't wait to do more shopping with you guys. Take care
I am real proud to have Corey here on the team for sure. As you have experienced he knows his stuff and works hard to get you sorted out. Thank you for the support and enjoy that R1! - Brian Van
You don't always get what you pay for. More money doesn't equal more quality. But yes you should try to find reasonable amount of quality rather than buying low quality. You'll end up spending more money buying garbage.
@trsskater I disagree with that statement. If I can afford the best quality, that's what I'm going to buy. I would rather have the piece of mind knowing that I am purchasing from a reputable company or manufacturer. Rather than spending my hard earned money on something I know I didn't want and didn't have the patience to wait and save up for what I actually wanted. Cost has a big influence on how people spend their money.
Hey Brian, I would like to buy a pit bull stand but here in Italy they aern't available, I would like to buy It from you from the US but It will cost me around 300 euros!!! Is there a stand that you can recommend for us european riders??? Thanks a lot!!!
Sorry I am not very familiar with the stands sold in Europe. A quality stand is typically heavy and requires an oversize box to ship which makes international shipments pretty expensive. We do sell a reasonable amount of Pit Bull Stands internationally each year, more than I would have expected given the cost of the shipping. - Van
If you are looking for a reasonable middle of the road stand they will get the job done. If you want a high quality model you will need to go with Pit Bull or Woodcraft. - Van
I can attest to the fact that cheap stands usually suck. I bought a set of Pit Bull stands for my Buell after a cheap borrowed stand tossed my 1125R to the ground. Never an ounce of trouble afterwards. The swing arm still wears the scares from that incident. I do have a set of cheap stands that I bought for my Honda track bike. They have all of the issues Brian points out in these videos but they have worked well for about 3 seasons now. My point is, Pit Bull makes awesome products, period. They are well worth the extra money. The cheap stuff can work though if you take your time and be careful. If you cannot afford anything else, the inexpensive stuff will work. If you want it to work with no fuss and only want to buy one set, get Pit Bull. I cannot comment on Woodcraft as I've never owned one but I can say everything they make is top notch so I'd expect no less from their stands.
I should also mention that when that cheapo rear stand launched my Buell it also bent the handle bar. Add in the cost and stress of needing to get a bar on a Friday evening for a Buell the night before a track day to the expense of that cheapo stand. Makes me wonder why the heck I'm using cheapo stands with my Honda. :)
So I have some Trackside rear and front stands for my 2016 R1. Been using them for a few months now and have been working well. BUT before that I was using a $39 Harbor Freight rear motorcycle stand (m.harborfreight.com/low-profile-rear-motorcycle-spool-stand-99701.html). Used it for about 3 years on multiple bikes, including my old Busa. I have always done maintenance/work on all my bikes myself, and that stand worked has worked flawlessly for me countless times. Only reason I am still not using it now is because I forgot it back home when I deployed, and I picked up the Trackside set at a really good deal. Anyway my point being is that you don't have to spend top dollar to get a quality stand. I'm NOT trying to take anything away from Pitbull stands since I'm sure their stands are very well built, and definitely don't get that trash wobbly stand that was used in the vid lol, but there are other options of quality stands as well for a lot less $$. Informative vid by the way!
I have one Pit Bull stand that is 20 years old and still works the same as the day I first got it new. I'm not confident that other stands I've owned during that time period would hold up like the Pit Bull has. I've easily used the Pit Bull the most, because I could easily tell it's of the highest quality out of all others I've owned.
Hey Z Nismo...... I started out with some of the trackside stands, and still have them today, but prefer to use the pitbulls I have bought since. The trackside were/are okay, but just that, okay. I NEVER use the trackside front fork lift stand, it is way too wobbly and flimsy, haven't ever felt comfortable lift the front of the bike up with that. The rear stand seems better, but the swingarm lifts on it don't extend all the way out (the welds hit the frame on the bottom), so it hasn't worked for every bike I have, only some. Furthermore, some of the bikes I used it for, it only ends up barely lifting the rear wheel of the ground. Bottom line, I don't have any of those problems with my pitbull stands. The tracksides are OKAY in my opinion, if you want to save some money when grabbing them on sale, to keep as maybe a backup set or something. Otherwise, I'd choose pitbull any day.
Johnny Gee I hear you. I'm sure Pitbull stands work great since I haven't heard anything bad about them other than the steep price.. I'm good with my Trackside. Weird because they don't wobble on me at all. They're are completely planted to the ground while everytime I'm working on my bike
If you promise to make a video of pulling my $40 year old no name rear stand in half, I'll order a pitbull rear + headlift stand asap. An excuse to get a new stand, and I think it's hilarious.
I have never used a LIghtech stand but have used several of their products. If their stands are anything like the rest of the line I am sure you will be happy with them. - Van
People can cry all they want, but you know as soon as you pick one of those stands up, whether is quality or just shite, quality always shines through. The guage of the tube, compared to the guage of the folded plate, the shape of the tube as aposed to the plate, the tube by design is stronger, and that's why the two engineers chose it, add to that the craftsmanship applied to each stand, regardless of how good a welder you are you can't polish a turd. If you start with shite, you end up with shite, and a shit load of waisted time and effort.
Your bike will go side to side if you are transporting your bike in a van or trailer and have the back wheel on the stand. I still have a cheap stand for now and its pretty dodgy.
I would not recommend hauling the bike with it on the rear stand. This will put excessive stress on the spools etc... Better to use a wheel chock and tie downs or a Pit Bull trailer restraint IMO. - Brian Van
The Best of Both Worlds. Pitbull does not make Cruiser Specific Front Triple Tree Stands however Woodcraft does... Pitbull makes XL and XXL Wide Tire Swing Arm Rear Lift Stands. A Good Thing for Cruisers with Fat Tires. This is what I am planning for my Cruiser because I have a Fat Tire. Woodcraft Front and Pitbull Rear. BOOM! I don't want 700LBs of bike coming at me sideways when I am wrenching or changing the oil. P.S. Pitbull and Woodcraft are getting hard to find on the Major Seller websites (Revzilla, J&P Parts, etc). You might have to buy directly from the makers websites to find them in stock.
We stock both Woodcraft and Pit Bull here at STG. To be fair we would have to order in any cruiser specific stuff, still we can get you all dialed in. While the other companies you noted do a good job, STG is owned by people who rider and staffed by people who ride. No one will work harder for you than we will. - Brian Van
I have a set of pitbulls a hybrid front and the same rear. buddy's bike tipped on a cheap stand and fell into my bike.......the stands held up my bike and his leaning against it.....so it technically held up 2 bikes when his failed....he got punched for scratching my 2015 R1 but thankfully I have a second set of plastics.
Matt, send me your address and t-shirt size to service@sportbiketrackgear.com. We will send you out a Pit Bull t-shirt for you and your friend (this is of course providing you still speak to him after the incident). Thanks for sharing! - Brian Van
it's just like jack stands for cars. the cheap 5 buck a pair discount store variety will support a car on a smooth level floor so long as little stress is applied in any direction but static vertical load. add side loads, floor pitch, or other dynamic stresses, they fail fairly easily. while they may well last quite a while under ideal conditions if babied, they are always tempted to fail. beefy, high quality, well engineered jack stands withstand ABUSE, as well as "use in the real world" loads. bike stands are exactly the same. if looking at them cross eyed tempts failure, they are unsuitable to the task at hand. those ali express jammies are designed for small, light bikes like honda passports, not 400 lb bikes. use on 400 lb bikes will tempt failure. it really is that simple.
Hey Alec, we sure do! You're looking for the "Spooled Rear Stand" option in this listing: www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pit-bull-top-supports-for-rear-stands/
I run Pirelli slicks on the track and love the grip! That said I feel the most important thing is choosing the right tire for the intended application. We are working on breaking down the Pirelli line up this month and will have updates on the site as well as some videos here on the channel. - Van
I just received my Alpinestar Missile Leather Jacket this morning, can’t wait to run some Michigan summer air through it. Fit is spot on... though it would probably fit better around the gut if I dropped 15-30 pounds. But not going to stop me from enjoying the best jacket I’ve owned to date. Thanks Brian Van.
It hurt my soul and wallet when I paid out 1'00 CA$ for a tire a 2 stands. But this video alongside it's comments made me invest in pitbulls products. Worst case if I get bored of motorcycling and only go to cycling, They will still hold their value vs a cheapo stand.
That's why its engineered by ppl who know their stuff, ppl that say crap obviously dont know anything which is ok, educate to understand, I didnt know until these videos either. You need integrity 100 percent through
Question? You say you know nothing about physics? Didnt you say you were once a mechanic?? All good mechanics know some physics?? Also when talking about the counter weight effect against the other stand, surley if the fork bottoms fit between the brackets whats the problem?
The fork bottom supports on that stand are v shaped. If you lift the bike with them in the wrong position you will not be able to remove the axle from the forks (it will be blocked by the support). It is also possible the support catches on the axle nut, endurance cup or axle slider (if either of these has been installed) instead of the for bottoms. If this were to happen the bike would be in an unstable position increasing the possibility of a fall. The information in these videos is a blend of my opinions and experience based on first hand experience over the years. End of the day you would be hard pressed to find someone who has used as many different brands of motorcycle stands as I have. I am sharing what I have learned while trying to encourage other riders to spend their hard earned money wisely. - Brian Van
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The stands he broke work fine especially for preventing flat spots and lubing the chain. like buying aftermarket phone charging cables and $1 hdmi cables they work. pitbull/woodcraft can stand up to the abuse better and repeated consistent up and down
For a cheap stand they are not horrible. The front stand is not very stable and requires too much lifting effort to use. Trackside is a house brand for Revzilla and Cycle Gear. Look at the top supports for the rear stand and compare them to the Pit Bull supports. www.sportbiketrackgear.com/motorcycle-stand-buyers-guide/ We have pics of the 2 of them side by side on this page. This is the weak point of that stand. - Brian Van
I’ve had my cheap eBay stands for 6 years and I’ve never had a single problem with them. I paid $60 for both front and back. When I try to move the bike like Van does in this video, my bike doesn’t even move. They’re solid.
Lol you definitely care about what you love, bikes! I'll prob buy one in the future the more I add to my bike and stuff. I've only dropped my bike once and that was enough for me. I usually never cheap out on anything so when I have the money ;P
I had my pop tarts for breakfast so, if i can induce any plastic deformation in my current stands, I will order up some pitbulls :) (I have Trackside, bought for a little Ninja 300 originally, but have upgraded significantly since those halcyon days, and haven't used them on my zx14r, and have been hesitant to so far...) will post the video and leave a link in the comments here to the vid on my youtube channel for any who are interested in seeing what happens. Will I bend a stand or two, or will they break me? Find out! :)
1:20 dude that is NOT moving all over the place. you are clearly biased and trying to be influential. for the purposes intended, all of the stands perform as intended without fail. shops/garages dont have people going around jumping on bikes on stands. if anything, they stay away. how many videos are on youtube of failing bike stands? ZERO. these 2 videos are basically a waste of time, esp for me. but you're the one spending the time making them haha but granted, your fav stands truly are the best stands, i'll give you that
I am biased for sure, I also have a metric shit ton of real world experience actually using the stuff I am talking about. My bias is my desire to get the riders that choose STG into the products that provide the best value for the money spent. There are times the cheaper item wins out and others where investing a little more money up front is the way to go. With stands specifically the best approach is to invest in quality right out of the gate. The real issue here is there are so many videos made by individuals with almost no real world experience trying to sell themselves as experts. With the videos we produce I am sharing the shit I have learned over an extended period of time being a rider and a retailer in this industry. - Brian Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I can totally go with that guy. Esp after you're taking time to respond and explain. No don't you have a great abundance and wealth of knowledge to share. Kudos
@@sportbiketrackgear If you want heavy metal coming down on you, stuff in your garage, or want to shop for replacement parts... by all means buy the Ebay Special. Even if you have a cheap bike finding hard to find older parts sucks.
If you have a shitty bike then buy a shit stand. We see way to many people buying the cheap shit and use it on a nice bike expecting the performance to be as good. - Van
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Bryan is right. I bought a Pitbull stand back on 2001 when I first got my Honda CBR929RR. Multiple bikes, different brands on my garage, no problem, because it's adjustable. It's still solid and no problems whatsoever after 16, going to its 17 year. It's definitely an investment.
Never need to replace it. - Van
Multiple bikes here too, cheap ass bikestand he crushed here still does its work after 9 years of hard use. I even practice my leaning off at the track on those....
Never had a problem.
NEVER
I have some trackside stands after my pitbulls got stolen. The difference between the two stands is just as big a difference between Yamaha and Hyosung. Do the trackside's work? Yes they do. Does my RR wobble on them? Yes it does. Bottom line you get what you pay for, and a quality stand is a lot cheaper than buying a new swingarm & bodywork if your bike takes a dive.
I ve NEVER seen or heard someone having his bike dropped on cheap stands cause theyre cheap stands. I do however have seen as much bikes go down on expensive stands as cheap stands cause of inappropriate use by the owner
Cheap stand are WAY well enough for 99,99999999% of riders
Those cheap eBay stands are for the people who found a used half working 250 or a dirt bike. If you have anything that’s worth it, you wouldn’t want even the possibility of it falling. Imagine an H2 on a Ali stand, $30,000 right down the toilet. Love the videos!
Coming out this Sunday to Plymouth, WI to see Max race and a bike race in general for the first time!!
Thanks for watching and coming out to the races. The kid rode real well at Road America. - Van
That very slight angle is huge! I once tried to put a car up on a jack cause a tire blew out. Mistakenly didn't think about the car being over dirt and the jack collapsed because of that small lean angle. The weight of the car then damaged the jack itself and was rendered useless.
Instability is the biggest problem with cheap stands for sure. Thanks for sharing. - Brian Van
Best part of the video...when Brian said " FUCK THAT"
PG13 rated with only 1 f bomb right???
Literally just got that front Pitbull stand 2 days ago as an early Christmas gift from my wife. Kinda hard to keep the gift a secret when it comes in a factory box with giant logos on the sides!
An example for all wives to follow, give the gift of Pit Bull for Christmas. - Van
And yet you sell the Vortex stand. How does this compare to the woodcraft and pitbull (I watched your video, the question is rhetorical)? Please do part 3 and put that bike on the Vortex stands and compare. This video is much better than part one. Stick with the facts as you see it. I cant fault you for that.
The Vortex stand will work for casual use but I would not use it for racing or track days. IMO you are best served to invest in a quality stand the you will literally NEVER NEED TO REPLACE. Personally I like part one more than this one. - Van
Alrighty! Ordered the Pit Bull rear stand (spool version), AND the Pit Bull Hybrid Dual Lift motorcycle front stand. Not taking chances with my beautiful 600-lb beast. ;)
Get an old wreck that's fit for the crusher, then push it sideways until it falls off the rear cheap stand( no loosening nuts now!). That'll convert the doubters. 😁
I was an idiot and originally bought trackside stands for my R6 because they were cheap. These things are very flimsy and wobble like crazy, now I know why they are so cheap. I immediately went out and bought a pitbull, the difference is night and day. Dont be an idiot like I was and spend the extra couple bucks, peace of mind is priceless.
Right on the money man, buy the right one the first time. It will perform better and last forever. - Van
6:00 “HERCULES! HERCULES!”
I'm really impressed and feel way more secure about lifting my expensive bike completely off the ground using my new Pit Bull stands. You learn something every day. I got rid of the cheapo 2 piece bolt together Chinese stand. Thanks Brian for saving my bike!
You are welcome! Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your own experience. - Van
Love your videos and I now buy all of my stuff exclusively from sportbike track gear!Keep up the good work and the fantastic customer service!
Thank you for watching and the orders, it is appreciated! - Brian Van
I know the video is old but thank you. I do have the Harbor F, and I do like it. The front stand and swing arm stand are of cheaper brands than that of a Pit Bull or a Woodcraft. Truth be told I never really researched stands. I just bought the ones in the store. They have worked for years until just recently almost damage my 2012 Busa cause the front stand move, and the bike came off the front stand. I was by myself in the garage. It took everything I had to catch the bike get the front stand pitched backup so I could get the wheel from between the stand. The harbor F held the back, but if I had not caught my bike in time, the whole bike would have fallen. I have always trusted your reviews and opinion about the gear and equipment you sold. I definitely will be upgrading and pray I never have to hold my bike like that again. Thank you!
You are welcome and thanks for taking the time to leave the feedback. - Van
I just bought a used pitbull stand, it does not have the option for a axle holder.. So its pre 2006 correct? Im amazed at how sturdy n hefty it truly is.. Some metal polish n wd40 it looks great.. Amazing and at least 14 years old
They last for ever. - Van
I had a cheap stand front and back, put bike up, then it jumped off the back stand when bumping slightly into it. Got some hard ass stands after that and never looked back.
IMO the quality stands are well worth the money because you will only need to buy them once. I have had the same stands for many years with many different bikes. - Van
Another great video muscle maniac!!! 💪💪💪
I am so glad I bought pit bull front/rear.
My 'work of art' deserves it and more!
Right to the point, right on target!🎯
My kind of video... Bravo!👍
Will the Woodcraft rear stand fit a Ninja 400 without any modifications to the bike?
Like I said in the other reply 100% the best way to do this is to order the spools and install them, then go with a spooled stand. - Van
Hey Brain, are there any other good alternatives to the Woodcraft or the Pitbull stands? Because the shipping to Switzerland would be way too expensive ($317) and I also can't buy them locally..
Thanks in advance
I am not familiar with the brands that are offered in Europe. - Van
Thank you sir for your knowledge
Just got a new bike this gives me clear understanding of the truth
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
I just bought a woodcraft rear stand from your site, it's my first bike and I've never used stands obviously, it would be cool if you did a video on loading and unloading on stands imo
Thank you for the order and enjoy the stand. We will look into doing a video like that in the future. - Van
Great follow up vid. Oh, and the hulking up on those cheapo stands drives the point home once again!
Thanks for watching man! - Van
Pitbull stands are forever! Went from an 848 evo to a 1200S Monster. Only had to order a new pin. I run my bike during the winter on its stand (single sided swingarm) and I wouldn't trust any other stand.
Thanks for sharing your experience with Pit Bull. - Van
The one thing people don’t realize is that having the bike on the stand is just one use, but you will almost certainly jump on the bike while it’s on the stand, and that where things get scary. That wiggle room this guy showed turns into a scary situation with ur added extra weight on that cheapo stand
I have a ninja 400. I want a pit bull stand but I need spools first. It takes 8 mm size but on pit bull size chart it says it needs a spacer. Can you or anyone else explain this?
Here is a link to the Driven Spools for the Ninja 400, these are the same ones we have on our bike. www.sportbiketrackgear.com/driven-d-axis-swingarm-spools-kawasaki-ninja-400-2018/
riders know, you don't want a wobbly stand. happened to my boy on his zx14. We had just talked about this same topic few weeks before. His driveway has a slight angle to the left so its not totally flat. He raised his zx by the rear with some cheap stand, and no problem what so ever it raised it up alright and once the bike was higher in the air along with that slight angle it just kept going to the left. bike, stand and all.
same drive way, same angle been living there one year plus same circumstances has yet to have that problem again after buying a pitpull. another instance I've been privvy to. Non rider didn't know any better and leaned against a bike on a rear stand that bitch went over toot sweet and fast. I've leaned, sat, pushed on and done some pretty reckless things on my pitbull rear stand. I've never had a problem to date. Have had my pitbull rear and front since 2012.
Thanks for taking the time to share this man! You will never go wrong with a Pit Bull Stand and only need to buy it once. - Brian Van
That zx14 is heavier than the load the cheap stands can handle AND THEY LET YOU KNOW THAT BY A GIANT STICKER AND MANUAL!!!
NOT THE STANDS FAULT... THE USERS FAULT.
I've had very good luck with my vortex rear stand for sportbikes which I've been using for around 5 years. I don't know if I'd put an 800 lb bike on it but for 300-500 its no issue. I have Oxford front paddock stand coming, going to see how it works.
Why would anyone try to argue about this? They would risk their bikes on a 20 dollar Ali baba special that a person can easily tear a part? Dam man that stand just ripped apart like Hulk Hogans phonebook.
If you have a shit bike buy a shit stand. Have a nice bike then be smart and buy a nice stand. - Van
Please let me know a front and rear stand for a 2022 Ducati Streetfighter V2 from your store. Thank you
Sorry for the slow response, please shoot the team an email to orders@sportbiketrackgear.com and they will get you all sorted out. - Van
Hey Mr Van, trying to decide on a new front stand to go with my antique pitbull( one of the very first he sold out of his trailer at little talledega gp, still use daily)
Which is the best front lift stand you carry at STG?
Depends on whether you want to lift from the fork bottom or the triple tree.
Pit Bull Hybrid Forklift Motorcycle Front Stand
www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pit-bull-hybrid-forklift-motorcycle-front-stand/
Pit Bull Hybrid Headlift Motorcycle Front Stand
www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pit-bull-hybrid-headlift-motorcycle-front-stand/
@@sportbiketrackgear lifting from the tree so I can do fork revalves seals etc. Various bikes Tuono, Streetfighter, gsxr1000,cbr Wasn't sure if the pitbull or Woodcraft be the best.
I have not really heard much about the Woodcraft front lift, and I really respect your input.
I see stands in the same bracket as helmets, sure they may look the same but the quality is in the production and materials.
Think bell ran an ad once, got a $10 head get a $10 helmet, same with stands. I value my head just as much as my bike
i have a question was that stand a venom stand or motodRacing ???????
Both are no where near as good as a Pit Bull or a Woodcraft. - Van
Im ready for a tire warmer video in similar fashion!
Can you please recommend some good stand that is as premium as Woodcraft or Pitbull, but from Europe, since import costs and shipping from USA would be very costly? Thanks!
Sorry I am not familiar with the brands sold in Europe. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Thanks a lot for your answer! I just ordered an "official" one from Kawasaki and can give feedback after I try it out. Maybe I can try to perform the breaking test that you do lol
Hope you have those in stock at your shop....I’m convinced since my cheaper stands did the exact thing you showed
Good video. Should do one just like it for Tyre warmers...please.
We have had this request before and are working on putting this together now. You bet your ass there are some garbage tire warmers out there. - Van
Sportbike Track Gear Good stuff! I look forward to it.
LMAO... That was awesome man. Well said. People get so butt hurt nowadays when hearing the truth. I'm a firm believer in getting what you pay for. By the way, Corey got me squared away today with the abs attachment to the Pitbull stand for the 2015+ R1 from you guys. Seems like an awesome young man and very helpful. Can't wait to do more shopping with you guys. Take care
I am real proud to have Corey here on the team for sure. As you have experienced he knows his stuff and works hard to get you sorted out. Thank you for the support and enjoy that R1! - Brian Van
You don't always get what you pay for. More money doesn't equal more quality. But yes you should try to find reasonable amount of quality rather than buying low quality. You'll end up spending more money buying garbage.
@trsskater I disagree with that statement. If I can afford the best quality, that's what I'm going to buy. I would rather have the piece of mind knowing that I am purchasing from a reputable company or manufacturer. Rather than spending my hard earned money on something I know I didn't want and didn't have the patience to wait and save up for what I actually wanted. Cost has a big influence on how people spend their money.
Hey Brian, I would like to buy a pit bull stand but here in Italy they aern't available, I would like to buy It from you from the US but It will cost me around 300 euros!!! Is there a stand that you can recommend for us european riders??? Thanks a lot!!!
Sorry I am not very familiar with the stands sold in Europe. A quality stand is typically heavy and requires an oversize box to ship which makes international shipments pretty expensive. We do sell a reasonable amount of Pit Bull Stands internationally each year, more than I would have expected given the cost of the shipping. - Van
Thanks a lot for the quick reply, I will probably just save more and buy the best one from you, afetr all it's a very long lasting pruloduct!!!
what about Vortex stands? good or bad?
If you are looking for a reasonable middle of the road stand they will get the job done. If you want a high quality model you will need to go with Pit Bull or Woodcraft. - Van
I can attest to the fact that cheap stands usually suck. I bought a set of Pit Bull stands for my Buell after a cheap borrowed stand tossed my 1125R to the ground. Never an ounce of trouble afterwards. The swing arm still wears the scares from that incident.
I do have a set of cheap stands that I bought for my Honda track bike. They have all of the issues Brian points out in these videos but they have worked well for about 3 seasons now.
My point is, Pit Bull makes awesome products, period. They are well worth the extra money. The cheap stuff can work though if you take your time and be careful. If you cannot afford anything else, the inexpensive stuff will work. If you want it to work with no fuss and only want to buy one set, get Pit Bull.
I cannot comment on Woodcraft as I've never owned one but I can say everything they make is top notch so I'd expect no less from their stands.
Thanks for sharing that man, you are 100% spot on. - Brian Van
I should also mention that when that cheapo rear stand launched my Buell it also bent the handle bar. Add in the cost and stress of needing to get a bar on a Friday evening for a Buell the night before a track day to the expense of that cheapo stand. Makes me wonder why the heck I'm using cheapo stands with my Honda. :)
So I have some Trackside rear and front stands for my 2016 R1. Been using them for a few months now and have been working well.
BUT before that I was using a $39 Harbor Freight rear motorcycle stand (m.harborfreight.com/low-profile-rear-motorcycle-spool-stand-99701.html). Used it for about 3 years on multiple bikes, including my old Busa. I have always done maintenance/work on all my bikes myself, and that stand worked has worked flawlessly for me countless times. Only reason I am still not using it now is because I forgot it back home when I deployed, and I picked up the Trackside set at a really good deal.
Anyway my point being is that you don't have to spend top dollar to get a quality stand. I'm NOT trying to take anything away from Pitbull stands since I'm sure their stands are very well built, and definitely don't get that trash wobbly stand that was used in the vid lol, but there are other options of quality stands as well for a lot less $$.
Informative vid by the way!
I have one Pit Bull stand that is 20 years old and still works the same as the day I first got it new. I'm not confident that other stands I've owned during that time period would hold up like the Pit Bull has. I've easily used the Pit Bull the most, because I could easily tell it's of the highest quality out of all others I've owned.
Hey Z Nismo...... I started out with some of the trackside stands, and still have them today, but prefer to use the pitbulls I have bought since. The trackside were/are okay, but just that, okay. I NEVER use the trackside front fork lift stand, it is way too wobbly and flimsy, haven't ever felt comfortable lift the front of the bike up with that. The rear stand seems better, but the swingarm lifts on it don't extend all the way out (the welds hit the frame on the bottom), so it hasn't worked for every bike I have, only some. Furthermore, some of the bikes I used it for, it only ends up barely lifting the rear wheel of the ground.
Bottom line, I don't have any of those problems with my pitbull stands. The tracksides are OKAY in my opinion, if you want to save some money when grabbing them on sale, to keep as maybe a backup set or something. Otherwise, I'd choose pitbull any day.
Johnny Gee I hear you. I'm sure Pitbull stands work great since I haven't heard anything bad about them other than the steep price.. I'm good with my Trackside. Weird because they don't wobble on me at all. They're are completely planted to the ground while everytime I'm working on my bike
Having the opportunity to use both and compare makes the difference clear real quick. Thanks for sharing this! - Van
I want one of those icon banners on the wall at 4:30
I love those banners, not sure if we can get them anymore. - Van
Loved it, especially that stand pull hahaha !!! New exercise the motorcycle stand pull !! Cheers buddy !!!!
Love your presentation style. Keep the work!
Thanks! - Van
I’m thinking I’m going to go on the sight and buy something after watching this... Thanks for the great videos.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave the comment! - Van
If I buy something will you get a shirt that fits?
It used to fit, does that count????
If you promise to make a video of pulling my $40 year old no name rear stand in half, I'll order a pitbull rear + headlift stand asap. An excuse to get a new stand, and I think it's hilarious.
Pit Bull is the best in the business for sure. - Van
Hi Brian, I'm looking for a rear stand, unfortunately in italy pitbull isn't available, what do you think of Lightech stands?
Thank you!
I have never used a LIghtech stand but have used several of their products. If their stands are anything like the rest of the line I am sure you will be happy with them. - Van
People can cry all they want, but you know as soon as you pick one of those stands up, whether is quality or just shite, quality always shines through. The guage of the tube, compared to the guage of the folded plate, the shape of the tube as aposed to the plate, the tube by design is stronger, and that's why the two engineers chose it, add to that the craftsmanship applied to each stand, regardless of how good a welder you are you can't polish a turd. If you start with shite, you end up with shite, and a shit load of waisted time and effort.
Your bike will go side to side if you are transporting your bike in a van or trailer and have the back wheel on the stand. I still have a cheap stand for now and its pretty dodgy.
I would not recommend hauling the bike with it on the rear stand. This will put excessive stress on the spools etc... Better to use a wheel chock and tie downs or a Pit Bull trailer restraint IMO. - Brian Van
Great. Cheers for the info.
Please buy something from him. He can't even afford to buy a proper size shirt.
I wore it special for you man.
i buy shit from him all the time i think he spends most of it on coronas
+KoG GoK ...Coronas, ooof. I'm an IPA guy, have been for twenty years. Whatever. I'm a Pit Bull stand guy as well.
Haha sad, all you doing is looking at his shirt?
wkdravenna right caring about what another man is wearing is gay.
Buy it once, buy a Pitbull.
The Best of Both Worlds. Pitbull does not make Cruiser Specific Front Triple Tree Stands however Woodcraft does...
Pitbull makes XL and XXL Wide Tire Swing Arm Rear Lift Stands. A Good Thing for Cruisers with Fat Tires.
This is what I am planning for my Cruiser because I have a Fat Tire. Woodcraft Front and Pitbull Rear. BOOM!
I don't want 700LBs of bike coming at me sideways when I am wrenching or changing the oil.
P.S. Pitbull and Woodcraft are getting hard to find on the Major Seller websites (Revzilla, J&P Parts, etc). You might have to buy directly from the makers websites to find them in stock.
We stock both Woodcraft and Pit Bull here at STG. To be fair we would have to order in any cruiser specific stuff, still we can get you all dialed in. While the other companies you noted do a good job, STG is owned by people who rider and staffed by people who ride. No one will work harder for you than we will. - Brian Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I thought you were just a guy in a garage doing reviews. Excellent!
I have a set of pitbulls a hybrid front and the same rear. buddy's bike tipped on a cheap stand and fell into my bike.......the stands held up my bike and his leaning against it.....so it technically held up 2 bikes when his failed....he got punched for scratching my 2015 R1 but thankfully I have a second set of plastics.
Matt, send me your address and t-shirt size to service@sportbiketrackgear.com. We will send you out a Pit Bull t-shirt for you and your friend (this is of course providing you still speak to him after the incident). Thanks for sharing! - Brian Van
Sportbike Track Gear yeah we are still friends. But I’ll just take the one. He’s still running cheap stands.
I have your address now and just need you to send me your size so we can get this done. - Van
Informative and entertaining, as always
Thank you for watching! - Van
it's just like jack stands for cars. the cheap 5 buck a pair discount store variety will support a car on a smooth level floor so long as little stress is applied in any direction but static vertical load. add side loads, floor pitch, or other dynamic stresses, they fail fairly easily. while they may well last quite a while under ideal conditions if babied, they are always tempted to fail. beefy, high quality, well engineered jack stands withstand ABUSE, as well as "use in the real world" loads. bike stands are exactly the same. if looking at them cross eyed tempts failure, they are unsuitable to the task at hand. those ali express jammies are designed for small, light bikes like honda passports, not 400 lb bikes. use on 400 lb bikes will tempt failure. it really is that simple.
Well said, thank you! - Van
What do you think of vortex stands?
They are a nice middle of the road stand, not on the same level as the Pit Bull or the Woodcraft IMO. - Van
Great evaluation of "real world" stresses. Very real. Awesome closing scene!
Do you guys sell PitBull stand Rear SPOOL type adaptors? In store for Pickup?
Hey Alec, we sure do! You're looking for the "Spooled Rear Stand" option in this listing: www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pit-bull-top-supports-for-rear-stands/
Will you ever do a review of the Toce Performance full exhaust for the R3?
I have never installed that brand and have no experience with it. - Van
Good thing I saw this video I won't be buying that companies stand
Do you prefer Pirelli tires?
I run Pirelli slicks on the track and love the grip! That said I feel the most important thing is choosing the right tire for the intended application. We are working on breaking down the Pirelli line up this month and will have updates on the site as well as some videos here on the channel. - Van
I just received my Alpinestar Missile Leather Jacket this morning, can’t wait to run some Michigan summer air through it. Fit is spot on... though it would probably fit better around the gut if I dropped 15-30 pounds. But not going to stop me from enjoying the best jacket I’ve owned to date. Thanks Brian Van.
You are welcome and thank you for the business! - Van
Always like your videos! Your video is the main reason I ordered the pit bull stand 👍
Thanks for watching my brother. That Pit Bull stand will serve you well for many seasons to come. - Brian Van
Excellent follow up, and good real world look at it
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave the feedback! - Brian Van
It hurt my soul and wallet when I paid out 1'00 CA$ for a tire a 2 stands. But this video alongside it's comments made me invest in pitbulls products. Worst case if I get bored of motorcycling and only go to cycling, They will still hold their value vs a cheapo stand.
They will last forever and hold their value if you get out of the sport. Solid purchase. - Van
Van, you're the man! Greets from Israel!
That's why its engineered by ppl who know their stuff, ppl that say crap obviously dont know anything which is ok, educate to understand, I didnt know until these videos either. You need integrity 100 percent through
Thanks for watching! - Van
Question? You say you know nothing about physics? Didnt you say you were once a mechanic?? All good mechanics know some physics?? Also when talking about the counter weight effect against the other stand, surley if the fork bottoms fit between the brackets whats the problem?
The fork bottom supports on that stand are v shaped. If you lift the bike with them in the wrong position you will not be able to remove the axle from the forks (it will be blocked by the support). It is also possible the support catches on the axle nut, endurance cup or axle slider (if either of these has been installed) instead of the for bottoms. If this were to happen the bike would be in an unstable position increasing the possibility of a fall.
The information in these videos is a blend of my opinions and experience based on first hand experience over the years. End of the day you would be hard pressed to find someone who has used as many different brands of motorcycle stands as I have. I am sharing what I have learned while trying to encourage other riders to spend their hard earned money wisely. - Brian Van
fair point
Do you deliver to the uk
We ship internationally using USPS or DHL. Please add the items you are interested in to the cart on our site along with your shipping details and the site will generate quotes for you. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Thank you
Excellent vid bro beans!!! Thanks for the thorough information
You are welcome and thanks for watching! - Van
Thanks BV. I dont have a lot of money to buy the best stand. Are there some other brands that are acceptable at a more affordable price?
The stands he broke work fine especially for preventing flat spots and lubing the chain. like buying aftermarket phone charging cables and $1 hdmi cables they work. pitbull/woodcraft can stand up to the abuse better and repeated consistent up and down
Best to save up and get a Pit Bull or Woodcraft so you will only need to buy it one time. - Van
Like he said, I use a Woodcraft Headlift Stand and a pitbull rear for my Ducati
What do you guys think about trackside though? New rider here and got trackside as my first stand
asakapa0003 Read a few comments above from Z Nismo.
For a cheap stand they are not horrible. The front stand is not very stable and requires too much lifting effort to use. Trackside is a house brand for Revzilla and Cycle Gear. Look at the top supports for the rear stand and compare them to the Pit Bull supports. www.sportbiketrackgear.com/motorcycle-stand-buyers-guide/ We have pics of the 2 of them side by side on this page. This is the weak point of that stand. - Brian Van
Over here in the UK Harris performance stands are No.1
You source mentioned head stands
Haha I like this Van. Can we get more of this Van?!
That ending tho! Hahahha Yes! I have T-rex stands, and love them to death. Made in the US of A!
yea, t-rex stands are made in china man. I know the owner and he orders them by container load
I’ve had my cheap eBay stands for 6 years and I’ve never had a single problem with them. I paid $60 for both front and back. When I try to move the bike like Van does in this video, my bike doesn’t even move. They’re solid.
Great vid! Probably dont get much movement on that tight was shirt!! 😆
Smedium is the best size for sure. - Van
Absolutely love the bike brosef. It almost makes me want a yamaha!
hundred bucks extra vs new plastics for my ducati? fuck away from me with that cheap shit.
Lol you definitely care about what you love, bikes! I'll prob buy one in the future the more I add to my bike and stuff. I've only dropped my bike once and that was enough for me. I usually never cheap out on anything so when I have the money ;P
Who doesn't love bikes? - Van
I may be 4 years late to the party, but my cheap HF stand works fine.
Production value 👌
I will pass this along to Video Steve. - Van
Love the end 😆💪🏻
Thank you for watching! - Brian Van
Now that was a freakin review !!!!!!!!
Thanks for watching! - Van
Too bad Pitbull wont or cant ship to Canada
We ship to CA everyday. - Van
My stands seem to be strong but I was also gifted them.
I had my pop tarts for breakfast so, if i can induce any plastic deformation in my current stands, I will order up some pitbulls :) (I have Trackside, bought for a little Ninja 300 originally, but have upgraded significantly since those halcyon days, and haven't used them on my zx14r, and have been hesitant to so far...) will post the video and leave a link in the comments here to the vid on my youtube channel for any who are interested in seeing what happens. Will I bend a stand or two, or will they break me? Find out! :)
The term plastic deformation reminds me of a class where I swear if we used that term the prof game us bonus points.
Cheap shit =expensive problems
Well said, thanks for watching! - Van
Happy Festivus, I liked your feat of strength at the end.
Thanks man! - Van
1:20 dude that is NOT moving all over the place. you are clearly biased and trying to be influential. for the purposes intended, all of the stands perform as intended without fail. shops/garages dont have people going around jumping on bikes on stands. if anything, they stay away. how many videos are on youtube of failing bike stands? ZERO. these 2 videos are basically a waste of time, esp for me. but you're the one spending the time making them haha but granted, your fav stands truly are the best stands, i'll give you that
I am biased for sure, I also have a metric shit ton of real world experience actually using the stuff I am talking about. My bias is my desire to get the riders that choose STG into the products that provide the best value for the money spent. There are times the cheaper item wins out and others where investing a little more money up front is the way to go. With stands specifically the best approach is to invest in quality right out of the gate.
The real issue here is there are so many videos made by individuals with almost no real world experience trying to sell themselves as experts. With the videos we produce I am sharing the shit I have learned over an extended period of time being a rider and a retailer in this industry. - Brian Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I can totally go with that guy. Esp after you're taking time to respond and explain. No don't you have a great abundance and wealth of knowledge to share. Kudos
you the man brian
Appreciate you! - Van
What you pay you buy. Simple.
That is some funny stuff!!! The hulk smash at the end is priceless!!! Pit bull hands down the best stands..
Nobody makes a better motorcycle stand IMO! - Van
I into this video for watching about motorcycle stand but your arms got my attention, damn~
Great video.
Geometric imperfection and external lateral forces
If you have a nice bike buy a good stand, if you have a junk bike buy a junk stand. - Brian Van
@@sportbiketrackgear If you want heavy metal coming down on you, stuff in your garage, or want to shop for replacement parts... by all means buy the Ebay Special. Even if you have a cheap bike finding hard to find older parts sucks.
Lmao at the ending!
One thing I'll disagree with here Brian..... Bill Nye couldn't explain SHIT regarding physics. Lol
Johnny Gee 2nd that.
Look at the hands. He grabs the tail by the cheap one and puts 3 fingers on the expensive ones. Ofcourse the cheap one wil wobbles more
If you have a shitty bike then buy a shit stand. We see way to many people buying the cheap shit and use it on a nice bike expecting the performance to be as good. - Van