1:00 race sitting in his big mafia chair after "persuading" the gb devs to take note of his advice(they would be sleeping with the fishes if they didnt)
Just imagining race slowly turning around in his swivel chair, the antique desk combining with his outline to cast shadows across his victim as he pushes his glasses up.
It's nice to see people hopeful about the game's future again. I'm not gonna buy the dlc just because they say that they're going to make it better but I'm also not gonna complain about "eww Gearbox is untrustworthy never buy anything from them". I'll just work on my backlog of games and check back when they're done with their roadmap to see if it compels me to spend money. And I'll continue my habit of not preordering games or buying on release before I've seen gameplay because holy hell that's saved me so much money lol.
yeah definitely do not assume theyre gonna make it perfect, but i hope people have enough hope to at least boot up the game come update time to at least check it out
We shouldn't have even been upset in the first place, considering everyone's initial reaction to the news of Gearbox was "X-Doubt". Everyone conveniently forgot that well earned mistrust for hype once we got a month out.
It was misplaced tho. After two month of fixing their shit, gearbox still will fully rework most of the content. So your faith and positivity was put in a totally different thing than we, hopefully, will get by the end of it
@@Misves I have been optimistic from the very beginning that the Gearbox devs would fix the DLC and make it not only playable but fun as well. And until I am given a reason to think otherwise I will continue to have optimism in their ability to right their wrongs
@@That_One_Sunshine_Knight yes, because they said they were positive from the get-go. Not optimistic or hopeful, but positive. And there was almost nothing to be positive about on dlc's release. And yeah, gearbox now admitted that they fucked up, but thats not because of people who said "oh i'm sure they will fix it, no biggie". My counter point is that being baselessly positive is bad. You have a right to actively demand that product you paid for is not just *working*, but also has an appropriate level of quality.
@@Misves they came out and said they were gonna fix things like right after it came out. we also found out it was rushed to release so the devs werent really at fault. they already fixed pretty much all of the big bugs so theyve layed the groundwork for changes to gameplay. how is it not ok to be positive when they have fixed the problems and admitted to their mistakes. would you rather them just say that the game is what it is and theyre not gonna fix it?
I appreciate that you didn’t just completely disregard the fact that the took accountability for the dlc and are working to fix it I haven’t been able to watch really anyone’s content in quite a while the dlc was a miss for just about everybody and I understand the negativity but it was just making me more sad I love this game and I agree that they really couldn’t do anything better than to admit fault and work to better it thank you race this gives me hope
I think the way to fix scorch worms is literally just let them take damage and get hit while digging. Straight up take away their invulnerability so you can at least try to damage them with AOE without having to wait for them to dig to you. Would be a lot less annoying to deal with for sure.
Excellent thoughts on the situation. This roadmap does not mean they are deserving of blind faith but at the very least should be enough to have people keep an eye on the game again.
2:51 it probably got added due to some wierd internal naming thing, because alpha contructs are known as MinorConstruct, and the old xi is called MajorContruct. the new xi is MegaConstruct instead, which isnt really an opposite of minor so it would make sense to mix those up i guess also, i wouldnt say they are reworking the dlc because it was bad, but more just finishing the dlc because they were forced to release it unfinished (something something take two games). love it when companies do the modern pokemon thing isnt that just so cool and fun
I was always skeptical, especially with what they’ve done with borderlands, but it’s nice to see that they aren’t just abandoning risk of rain after a single major fuck up.
What exactly do you mean by what they’ve done with borderlands? The writing and story is what has ruined the franchise. The gameplay is still good, if not better.
@@yqco6 You said yourself, they’ve ruined the series, even though its their golden goose. If a company can screw up that many installments of their own flagship franchise then they probably shouldn’t be trusted with other IP’s. I also disagree with the notion that the gameplay has gotten better. The game-FEEL has gotten way better, but many other things have gotten worse. Even with all the dialogue and cutscenes removed, Borderlands 3 is still just not a very enjoyable experience.
It's important to remember that the developers were rushed by their superiors. This is why i stopped watching Woolie, because he constantly dunked on the developers and even called them slurs, for something that isn't entirely their fault.
I've tried to make it as clear as possible in every stream or video I've pointed out the flaws with the dlc, this shouldn't reflect on the people behind it. It was an impossible job at the pace they were expected to do it in. That being said, you can still criticize the company and balance and things, I just don't want people to be mean, that's not how things change, that's how bridges are burned
@ I agree. For the record, I wasn’t accusing you of doing the same things Woolie did. My grammar isn’t the best at times. Keep making content as you please, I enjoy your videos!
I think the biggest thing that was keeping me down with this DLC was how I felt like a part of the game’s identity was killed. Everything that I enjoyed doing was now given this bad gearbox flavored aftertaste. I’m happy things are being changed and hopefully that never happens again.
I trust that at this point they care enough about this game to actually do something to fix what they released, which is good. We can only hope they continue this patern. Trust is earned, this is a step in that direction. We will see
When it comes to the order of what Gearbox plans to change, I think the way they outlined makes sense. It feels like it's somewhat in the order of avoidance. Meaning if you have the dlc enabled with no mods the items are unavoidable so they get priority, the path of the colossus and the False Son boss fight make up most of the content that isn't items, while also being the key focal point of the dlc, and with the survivors you simply can choose not to play them. Or at least that's how I see it, it may not be what most people want the order to be exactly, most people probably want the survivors to be looked at asap, but in the meantime you can just avoid the survivors until they are ready so it makes sense to fix elsewhere first.
I originally thought that the new devs had a pretty severe disconnect with how Risk of Rain as a game works, and it really showed. The roadmap gives me a lot of hope since this is the devs trying to connect to the game and the community and are willing to listen. It's taken some of my friends and I from, "I'll probably never play again unless they give us an easy way to downpatch" to "I'll give it a try when they've completed the roadmap" and I think it's a start.
im glad to see my optimism in the devs ever since they kept working on the dlc post launch seems to have not gone unfounded, its nice seeing the more hopeful perspective from big names in the community acknowledging that although things are far from necessarily fixed, its a really good first step in the right direction. being around constant negativity in any circumstance is really exhausting and its awesome that it seems people are starting to come around now :)
My joy is unmeasurable, thank you Race for making this rational n constructive video, I do hope it does reach people. You put to words what I felt, and even though my DLC experience has been good as I used mods as soon as they came out (plus the physics downpatcher existing alone might make a lot of ppl try the dlc, if they have it already), I understand where the other side is coming from. I've learned to enjoy what is reality when I feel it's genuine, and I really felt it with this DLC+Update. Honestly this was maybe even inevitable, the new devs needed to try what works and they'll definitely make improvements the second time around. Well, maybe it was avoidable without the layoffs ANYWAY- I trust my gut. Btw I'm doing my Eclipse run on latest patch, so far so good! Beat E7 on one character to get a feel for perma damage, and on its own it's actually less scary than it sounds, in a vacuum. But as E8 yeah it really makes one focus and play smart, I love it.
Tinfoil hat theory about Scorch wurms design (pre-seekers 2.0 if this is seen in the future). There's an unused but fully functional enemy in the game files called the assassin, how they work is that most of the time they are invisible, but you can tell where they are due to a red glow where they're standing. Then when they get closeish they reappear, throw a shuriken your way, then vanish again. This enemy can't be damaged when it's invisible, which is why it's so frustrating to fight, compared to every other enemy in the game. I think scorch wurm may have been based on this idea of waiting for an enemy to attack first before you can damage them (which is poor design for any horde shooter game like RoR2). You can at least bait out wurms by walking over where they're tunneling, but assassins could be invisible for minutes at a time which is really annoying. Hoping the new design is much more engaging
I want to believe that if we EVER get a DLC 3 after this that the community is going to be actually involved with testing, even if it's just the RUclipsrs being given early access or sent out to test. Maybe this is a start.
Man I’m glad to see someone at least a little positive about the game/DLC! Been playing since before both DLCs, on console with my friends and PC solo. SOTS multiplayer is more stable with fewer drops than before by a long shot. And my friends and I are still having a lot of fun playing, which will only increase as the patches come out
I've been optimistic ever since that promise of a patch back in like late september or whenever it was, and the roadmap looks like even more than I expected. The only issue is that knowing the game is gonna be better soon is tanking my motivation to play it now lol
It's good to see that you're hopeful about the game. The fact that they admitted their mistakes is also a really good thing and a first for GB. Personally I feel like the damage has been done, they made me not want to play my favorite video game anymore and I'm not sure a fix in like a year's time is going to make me want to return to it at all.
I like current false son , all i would ask for is a finishing touch on his animation and also alternative skill , and if i could choose i would choose a sort of « sword of the bulwark » and « hammer of the king » both being m1s
im honestly really glad people are turning around on the dlc now that gearbox are promising better, since i (perhaps naively) really enjoyed the content when it came out? i knew a lot of it was bad and broken and the game was fundamentally ruined, but even before the first patch came out i was able to enjoy the content a whole lot, and it's really easy to tell that the devs are talented, it's just that they had to cut so many corners under time constraints
Do you think it would be interesting if the game increased the spawn rate of certain elites based on the map? For example, more Ice Elites spawning on RPD or more Fire Elites on Abyssal Depths. Say the number of elites is the same, but that type of elite has double the chance to spawn as usual. I only thought of this because I saw a ton of gilded elites on HH in this video, lol.
I feel like the constant random elite swarm is one of the things about combat that keeps it interesting, if we made moment to moment combat less random the game would feel less fun
I would say the only real thing that holds back the update still is twisted elites, they are the only real change still affecting gameplay and enjoyment for me.
SEE! See I *TOLD* ya'll the hate train wasn't desrved! gearbox is fr clutchin up this dlc. Also, the amount of work it takes to do all those bug fixes is such little time is CRAZY. Props to gearbox, love ya'll, give chrischris a raise.
@@RacesVideos imo the crappy quality sots was in was because they rushed the dlc. they fixed it *really* fast, and it's not like sotv was that much better in terms of content added (in my opinion). Rushing it was their fault, but it isn't a crime worthy of being hated over.
they did not fix it, thats what the roadmap is for lol, and no theres still a lot of bugs. its okay to criticize them and also appreciate them moving forward with a new plan, its not one or the other
@@RacesVideos oh i mean of course it isn't fixed, but i'm talking abt the people saying that it was a bad dlc, period. I've seen some people (not you specifically) disregard the work that was put into patching the dlc just out of anger. It has some ways to go, but it's still going.
I mean, I just don't believe at all that regarding their effort and care has anything to do with the current state of the dlc. I appreciate the devs a lot and have been lucky enough to speak to them, they're cool and they're trying. I like that they're putting out patches and man are they working hard. But the DLC is bad, period. If you buy it and install it you are making your game worse and harder, and their update that came alongside it is filled with bugs that still aren't fixed lol, there's still many many many new bugs they added. Everything about the dlc is getting completely changed because the devs themselves said it is actually bad period lol. You can appreciate someone as a person and the effort they put in without having to like their cooking. Do I think it could become a good dlc? Yes! But it is not right now by any measurable scale. Is it okay to still like it? Absolutely! But remember that they're scrapping everything except the looks. It's not okay to hate the people, but you can absolutely hate the product as it is, and I do actually lol. If they didn't set this roadmap up I think this game would've died. If you disagree that's also okay, we'll just agree to disagree!
Can someone explain me why did he pick up the seer’s lens around 25:13 mark?? I mean I get that without crit he won’t be able to utilise the shatterspleen, but how would that help in moon if you are skipping the pillars?
Did Race H0st skip pillars? I thought that was removed when the physics got updated? Edit: literally just got to the point where he said he fixed it with a mod LOL
It's okay to talk trash about the DLC, because that's exactly how it came out of the oven. If you're reading this, just remember that the DEVS would've kept it in for longer. The PUBLISHERS and their SHAREHOLDERS are the ones who need fingers pointed at them for forcing it out too soon.
I might actually buy the dlc and get back into the game now. How poor the release of the DLC was completely ruined the game for me and I haven't touched it since but seeing that they are trying to fix all of the things that they did wrong really inspires hope
honestly, in terms of item design, I do think your stream chat probably understands it better than the sots devs did when they released it lol. the new items really were that bad. not necessarily a slight against the devs, as you said they probably basically made the dlc before even having the chance to play and understand the game, but still
What's the mod that unpatches h0st skip? Does it also bring back the old pot-rolling physics, or just the trimp aspect? also btw u have hatify in your mod list twice :> (2nd link and 3rd to last link in desc)
For me this proved that the devs at gearbox atleast care about the game and the community. That the devs still have passion for creating good games and that the reason the dlc had all those problems on release was because greed from those in charge of everything. like what happens with a lot of games these days. This doesn't bring back my trust tho and ill never spend a $ on any gearbox game again.
6:18 Bro honestly, 100%, I actually really enjoy the False Son fight 🥶 AS LONG AS you have MS and some way to deal with golems, and SOME ranged attack, I swear the fight is actually fun. Playing around his dashes, his laser, and the ambient threat (i.e. golems and meteors), and of course his emp in final form, is actually really enjoyable. Plus the music is best in the game imo. Yes, I know his animations are janky af and it's nigh unwinnable without mobility (and unlike with Mythrix you only get 3 stages of loot, not 5). But once you learn his patterns and the general flow of the fight (and have MS), it's very doable. And at least you don't NEED a hopoo feather / verticality like you do with Mythrix. The stage itself is so cool and a great idea too, but I think a bit overtuned with meteor spawn rate and enemy spawns / levels (but maybe that was partially elite bug?). Either way it's wayyyy more engaging than the voidling stage where you just charge beacons and try not to get voided. But that's just imo.
I've said it twice before on other videos, I'll say it again: I am so tired of the community dogging on the devs for SotS, and continuing to do so after they literally gave us a ROADMAP to tell us "Yes, we are fixing EVERYTHING" They know exactly how they messed up, and it's clear if they just got an extra 3-4 months of dev time the DLC would have been better at least (Console parity obviously needed way more time and was probably just lumped in by the Execs and higher ups hands at Gearbox and Take Two, not because the devs were happy with it). I hate seeing people hating on Gearbox when they are literally doing exactly what we asked for as a community; 1. Fix all the issues (already in progress) 2. Fix the DLC content. They made a freaking ROADMAP, that's not a bad thing, that's an example of... 3. Talking to the community and getting feedback from good players. Why people still whine and complain when by all means we have 0 reason yet to doubt them is beyond me, I mean just look at the first rounds of bug fixes, look at the Antler Shield rework, look at how they've upped their community involvement again. It's all feeling really good to me, as someone who has most of his playtime post-SotS update but hasn't bought the DLC yet. Once they've finished this roadmap, I'll happily add it next to SotV in my steam library.
I'll say as someone who as talked to the devs and is hopeful about a lot of things here, none of you guys should just put faith in a company until they see the results though. I can't appreciate gearbox enough for listening and learning and trying their best to undo the mistakes, but until we see the results in peoples actual games in their library I think all you guys have the right to be a little skeptical and I think that's okay actually, as long as they're given a little time we can be patient and see. Because tbh I still think arguably the game is still in way worse condition than it was before they picked it up. But gb had a very good response here, the best they could've given in fact and I wish them well. Repairing bridges and all that (✿◡‿◡)
@@RacesVideos Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, while I personally see no reason not to give them a second chance, if they mess up that second chance I likely won't be giving them a third. I just find it annoying that people refuse to even consider giving them that second chance, however skeptical it might be, and I definitely don't blame people who were around for much longer pre-SotS. And when I say I see 0 reason to doubt them, I definitely don't mean I think the game is better now than it was before either, more that I don't see a world where it gets any worse than it was launch day of the DLC. Great video, btw, can't wait to see your takes on the item reworks once we see them all! (Hopefully pre-launch, I'd love for the community to be able to submit feedback on all their future reworks before they get added to save them even more dev time)
Is there a character easier to use than railgunner? For me its ALL OF THEM, LMAO I can aim but not in close fights and my fps is dogshit soooo.... Yeah... The easiest i would say is Acrid and/or Huntress
I still wholeheartedly believe they should completely remove the False Son boss fight. Because it's LITERALLY MITHRIX. Big man with heavy thing slams ground, creating pillars of blue fire. Between attacks he dashes and throws needles that give you a debuff. There are pillars around the area to hide behind, that go away as the fight progresses instead of appearing like in Mithrix's fight. Slams ground and spawns blue soccer balls that spin around the arena. On his final phase, he takes something important from you that you need to get back. The only original thing in the fight is the laser, which could be compared to Voidling's laser but it's like, not cool and hitscan. Instead of reworking the fight, here's what we do: Just like with Voidling and Mithrix, you kill the boss, you get a character semi-associated with the lore. Captain is the leader of the ship that drops all the items and survivors, and Void Fiend is a Commando who escaped Simulacrum (I think), now corrupted. So, instead of fighting False Son, we unlock him. And rather, we 'build a man a statue'. That man? Providence, of course! You know how fucking excited I was to fight the massive statue in the Prime Meridian? I was so psyched. I have ten(ish) friends who play RoR2, and all of them had the same thoughts, which were "HOLY SHIT WE'RE FIGHTING THE- oh, it's Mithrix. WHO WE GONNA UNLOCK THOU- oh, it's Mithrix." Sucked. Balls. LET ME FIGHT THE BIG STATUE! Prime Meridian already doesn't stack up to the Void special environments in aesthetics and beauty, fuckin' STATUE IT UP! Have the statue be in front of us, and we wail on it while it attacks us! Move us around, move the boss around too maybe? Have it walk after as and we have to parkour while trying to get hits in or something. Like in Voidling, in between phases you could have to do parkour, but you can damage him while you run away? Maybe give the Gopus buff so you aren't super slow if you don't have move speed? Up the base move speed during the sections? The world's their oyster, you can do original stuff while making it fit the heart of the game. Anyway, just wanted to talk about this stuff, been stuck in my head for months.
I mean it kind of makes sense for him to be similar to mithrix cuz he's based on providence and was corrupted by mithrix's followers, I don't really think the fight feels anything like mithrix but what you said about fighting the giant statue does sound epic as fuck and way cooler than mithrix's lame fight 😭😭 I said mithrix so many times
@@skiburc2252 Well it doesn't feel like Mithrix 'cause Mithrix is a good boss lmao I honestly think the whole idea for SotS kinda sucks nuts, the brothers' story finished, as seen by the Void being the focus of SotV. Would have loved to see a DLC about the Red Plane or something.
is it though? maybe if you think about it conceptually and far removed from the situation, but this is the best thing they couldve ever said after the disaster happened. I've been asking people who have brought forth similar questions, 'what else could they have said to make you happy?' lol, heres 100$?
@@RacesVideos I just think it's funny to see a roadmap for a DLC. I 100% think that this was a great thing to share with the community, it's just that roadmaps are not often used in this situation lol. I'm glad that they are communicating with us on their plans and how they are going to do it.
love how sale star has its own tier list which is just "sale star my beloved"
1:00 race sitting in his big mafia chair after "persuading" the gb devs to take note of his advice(they would be sleeping with the fishes if they didnt)
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Just imagining race slowly turning around in his swivel chair, the antique desk combining with his outline to cast shadows across his victim as he pushes his glasses up.
we can give gearbox credit here, they do want to listen, there is effort there, just be careful of any layoffs
It's nice to see people hopeful about the game's future again. I'm not gonna buy the dlc just because they say that they're going to make it better but I'm also not gonna complain about "eww Gearbox is untrustworthy never buy anything from them". I'll just work on my backlog of games and check back when they're done with their roadmap to see if it compels me to spend money. And I'll continue my habit of not preordering games or buying on release before I've seen gameplay because holy hell that's saved me so much money lol.
yeah definitely do not assume theyre gonna make it perfect, but i hope people have enough hope to at least boot up the game come update time to at least check it out
If Overwatch 2 taught us anything, never trust a developer’s pinky promise. I’m hopeful but will wait until things ACTUALLY go live
@@markhumphreys4496things are already much better than launch, the game is playable and fun
We shouldn't have even been upset in the first place, considering everyone's initial reaction to the news of Gearbox was "X-Doubt". Everyone conveniently forgot that well earned mistrust for hype once we got a month out.
Glad to see my positivity from the get-go wasn't misplaced. Hopefully optimistic as always that the actual execution is as good as they make it sound
It was misplaced tho. After two month of fixing their shit, gearbox still will fully rework most of the content. So your faith and positivity was put in a totally different thing than we, hopefully, will get by the end of it
@@Misves I have been optimistic from the very beginning that the Gearbox devs would fix the DLC and make it not only playable but fun as well. And until I am given a reason to think otherwise I will continue to have optimism in their ability to right their wrongs
@@Misves you missed op's point by a country mile.
@@That_One_Sunshine_Knight yes, because they said they were positive from the get-go. Not optimistic or hopeful, but positive. And there was almost nothing to be positive about on dlc's release. And yeah, gearbox now admitted that they fucked up, but thats not because of people who said "oh i'm sure they will fix it, no biggie".
My counter point is that being baselessly positive is bad. You have a right to actively demand that product you paid for is not just *working*, but also has an appropriate level of quality.
@@Misves they came out and said they were gonna fix things like right after it came out. we also found out it was rushed to release so the devs werent really at fault. they already fixed pretty much all of the big bugs so theyve layed the groundwork for changes to gameplay. how is it not ok to be positive when they have fixed the problems and admitted to their mistakes. would you rather them just say that the game is what it is and theyre not gonna fix it?
I appreciate that you didn’t just completely disregard the fact that the took accountability for the dlc and are working to fix it I haven’t been able to watch really anyone’s content in quite a while the dlc was a miss for just about everybody and I understand the negativity but it was just making me more sad I love this game and I agree that they really couldn’t do anything better than to admit fault and work to better it thank you race this gives me hope
Precisely. With very few exceptions, the PUBLISHER is usually to blame for this kind of raw steak. The DEVS work with what they were given.
I’m just happy that Switch is now playable. It was rough due to the inability to mod my game, but now I can finally resume my climb.
So it's not like it was in that disputed origin video?
I think the way to fix scorch worms is literally just let them take damage and get hit while digging. Straight up take away their invulnerability so you can at least try to damage them with AOE without having to wait for them to dig to you.
Would be a lot less annoying to deal with for sure.
ya make them have like a dig spot where you can damage it for maybe half damage while it's underground
Replace them with a new enemy that would be much better 🙏
Excellent thoughts on the situation. This roadmap does not mean they are deserving of blind faith but at the very least should be enough to have people keep an eye on the game again.
exactly (✿◡‿◡) if they can listen to us the least we can do is listen back
2:51 it probably got added due to some wierd internal naming thing, because alpha contructs are known as MinorConstruct, and the old xi is called MajorContruct. the new xi is MegaConstruct instead, which isnt really an opposite of minor so it would make sense to mix those up i guess
also, i wouldnt say they are reworking the dlc because it was bad, but more just finishing the dlc because they were forced to release it unfinished (something something take two games). love it when companies do the modern pokemon thing isnt that just so cool and fun
I was always skeptical, especially with what they’ve done with borderlands, but it’s nice to see that they aren’t just abandoning risk of rain after a single major fuck up.
And continue that skepticism, but it is nice to see an attempt at change here
What exactly do you mean by what they’ve done with borderlands? The writing and story is what has ruined the franchise. The gameplay is still good, if not better.
@@yqco6 You said yourself, they’ve ruined the series, even though its their golden goose. If a company can screw up that many installments of their own flagship franchise then they probably shouldn’t be trusted with other IP’s.
I also disagree with the notion that the gameplay has gotten better. The game-FEEL has gotten way better, but many other things have gotten worse. Even with all the dialogue and cutscenes removed, Borderlands 3 is still just not a very enjoyable experience.
It's important to remember that the developers were rushed by their superiors. This is why i stopped watching Woolie, because he constantly dunked on the developers and even called them slurs, for something that isn't entirely their fault.
I've tried to make it as clear as possible in every stream or video I've pointed out the flaws with the dlc, this shouldn't reflect on the people behind it. It was an impossible job at the pace they were expected to do it in. That being said, you can still criticize the company and balance and things, I just don't want people to be mean, that's not how things change, that's how bridges are burned
@ I agree. For the record, I wasn’t accusing you of doing the same things Woolie did. My grammar isn’t the best at times. Keep making content as you please, I enjoy your videos!
No I know it’s okay, just thought I’d reiterate, I like responding to comments!
Slurs? Huh?
@@skiburc2252called the developers 'retards' for no reason.
i'm glad that gearbox is willing to cook again instead of going "whoops, we fucked up. let's never touch it again"
I think the biggest thing that was keeping me down with this DLC was how I felt like a part of the game’s identity was killed. Everything that I enjoyed doing was now given this bad gearbox flavored aftertaste. I’m happy things are being changed and hopefully that never happens again.
I trust that at this point they care enough about this game to actually do something to fix what they released, which is good. We can only hope they continue this patern. Trust is earned, this is a step in that direction. We will see
Love you Race. I appreciate how you articulate your thoughts
truly the most important event this week!!! long live ror2!!!!
When it comes to the order of what Gearbox plans to change, I think the way they outlined makes sense. It feels like it's somewhat in the order of avoidance. Meaning if you have the dlc enabled with no mods the items are unavoidable so they get priority, the path of the colossus and the False Son boss fight make up most of the content that isn't items, while also being the key focal point of the dlc, and with the survivors you simply can choose not to play them. Or at least that's how I see it, it may not be what most people want the order to be exactly, most people probably want the survivors to be looked at asap, but in the meantime you can just avoid the survivors until they are ready so it makes sense to fix elsewhere first.
I originally thought that the new devs had a pretty severe disconnect with how Risk of Rain as a game works, and it really showed. The roadmap gives me a lot of hope since this is the devs trying to connect to the game and the community and are willing to listen. It's taken some of my friends and I from, "I'll probably never play again unless they give us an easy way to downpatch" to "I'll give it a try when they've completed the roadmap" and I think it's a start.
wurms being half the time in the ground and not being able to hit them because of that is what annoys me the most about it.
super cool to see them try and make things right. here's to hoping they live up to the community's optimism
im glad to see my optimism in the devs ever since they kept working on the dlc post launch seems to have not gone unfounded, its nice seeing the more hopeful perspective from big names in the community acknowledging that although things are far from necessarily fixed, its a really good first step in the right direction. being around constant negativity in any circumstance is really exhausting and its awesome that it seems people are starting to come around now :)
I had no clue mods to fix the physics changes existed and I'm rlly happy bout it ngp
My joy is unmeasurable, thank you Race for making this rational n constructive video, I do hope it does reach people. You put to words what I felt, and even though my DLC experience has been good as I used mods as soon as they came out (plus the physics downpatcher existing alone might make a lot of ppl try the dlc, if they have it already), I understand where the other side is coming from. I've learned to enjoy what is reality when I feel it's genuine, and I really felt it with this DLC+Update.
Honestly this was maybe even inevitable, the new devs needed to try what works and they'll definitely make improvements the second time around. Well, maybe it was avoidable without the layoffs ANYWAY- I trust my gut.
Btw I'm doing my Eclipse run on latest patch, so far so good! Beat E7 on one character to get a feel for perma damage, and on its own it's actually less scary than it sounds, in a vacuum. But as E8 yeah it really makes one focus and play smart, I love it.
Tinfoil hat theory about Scorch wurms design (pre-seekers 2.0 if this is seen in the future). There's an unused but fully functional enemy in the game files called the assassin, how they work is that most of the time they are invisible, but you can tell where they are due to a red glow where they're standing. Then when they get closeish they reappear, throw a shuriken your way, then vanish again. This enemy can't be damaged when it's invisible, which is why it's so frustrating to fight, compared to every other enemy in the game. I think scorch wurm may have been based on this idea of waiting for an enemy to attack first before you can damage them (which is poor design for any horde shooter game like RoR2). You can at least bait out wurms by walking over where they're tunneling, but assassins could be invisible for minutes at a time which is really annoying.
Hoping the new design is much more engaging
I want to believe that if we EVER get a DLC 3 after this that the community is going to be actually involved with testing, even if it's just the RUclipsrs being given early access or sent out to test. Maybe this is a start.
very exciting news. sale star has been the only new item as far as i've been concerned
Man I’m glad to see someone at least a little positive about the game/DLC! Been playing since before both DLCs, on console with my friends and PC solo. SOTS multiplayer is more stable with fewer drops than before by a long shot. And my friends and I are still having a lot of fun playing, which will only increase as the patches come out
Praying war bonds becomes the move speed red (the roadmap restored all joy in my life)
Could adding one or two mobility reds make Benthic Bloom actually worth taking?
@Iranofideaswhilewritingthis334 i genuinely think yes
@@jzer7323 Only a dream... for now
increased movespeed scaling with gold 🔥🔥
@liquidscreamisnomore wait no you're cooking
I've been optimistic ever since that promise of a patch back in like late september or whenever it was, and the roadmap looks like even more than I expected. The only issue is that knowing the game is gonna be better soon is tanking my motivation to play it now lol
never devalue the revitalizing nature of a nice break from a game
It's good to see that you're hopeful about the game. The fact that they admitted their mistakes is also a really good thing and a first for GB. Personally I feel like the damage has been done, they made me not want to play my favorite video game anymore and I'm not sure a fix in like a year's time is going to make me want to return to it at all.
Totally fair and understandable. A bad taste in someone’s mouth can totally avert them away forever. It really is a shame
are you able to/have you already published the email that you sent gearbox? it sounds like it would be a really fun read.
I like current false son , all i would ask for is a finishing touch on his animation and also alternative skill , and if i could choose i would choose a sort of « sword of the bulwark » and « hammer of the king » both being m1s
im honestly really glad people are turning around on the dlc now that gearbox are promising better, since i (perhaps naively) really enjoyed the content when it came out? i knew a lot of it was bad and broken and the game was fundamentally ruined, but even before the first patch came out i was able to enjoy the content a whole lot, and it's really easy to tell that the devs are talented, it's just that they had to cut so many corners under time constraints
hey glad you found a way to enjoy it friend
that thumbnail is so fucking good
Not going to buy the DLC because gearbox doesn't sell in Russia but I'm glad they're making fixes.
Have been on a break from the game and miss it, hoping the road map happens soon but I also don't want it to be rushed
seems like they realize if they rush this its gg lol, whether the content is good or not i cant say, but at least it wont be rushed content hopefully
Race dont miss
BPM soundtrack my beloved...
Here me out, noxious thorns rework: you deal contact damage to enemies
race uploads me click :3
Looking forward to the ror2 future, i hope it it gets better from here !
Do you think it would be interesting if the game increased the spawn rate of certain elites based on the map? For example, more Ice Elites spawning on RPD or more Fire Elites on Abyssal Depths. Say the number of elites is the same, but that type of elite has double the chance to spawn as usual. I only thought of this because I saw a ton of gilded elites on HH in this video, lol.
I feel like the constant random elite swarm is one of the things about combat that keeps it interesting, if we made moment to moment combat less random the game would feel less fun
I would say the only real thing that holds back the update still is twisted elites, they are the only real change still affecting gameplay and enjoyment for me.
SEE! See I *TOLD* ya'll the hate train wasn't desrved! gearbox is fr clutchin up this dlc. Also, the amount of work it takes to do all those bug fixes is such little time is CRAZY. Props to gearbox, love ya'll, give chrischris a raise.
nah, the criticism was EXTREMELY deserved, and is the only reason we got to this point lol
@@RacesVideos imo the crappy quality sots was in was because they rushed the dlc. they fixed it *really* fast, and it's not like sotv was that much better in terms of content added (in my opinion). Rushing it was their fault, but it isn't a crime worthy of being hated over.
they did not fix it, thats what the roadmap is for lol, and no theres still a lot of bugs. its okay to criticize them and also appreciate them moving forward with a new plan, its not one or the other
@@RacesVideos oh i mean of course it isn't fixed, but i'm talking abt the people saying that it was a bad dlc, period. I've seen some people (not you specifically) disregard the work that was put into patching the dlc just out of anger. It has some ways to go, but it's still going.
I mean, I just don't believe at all that regarding their effort and care has anything to do with the current state of the dlc. I appreciate the devs a lot and have been lucky enough to speak to them, they're cool and they're trying. I like that they're putting out patches and man are they working hard. But the DLC is bad, period. If you buy it and install it you are making your game worse and harder, and their update that came alongside it is filled with bugs that still aren't fixed lol, there's still many many many new bugs they added. Everything about the dlc is getting completely changed because the devs themselves said it is actually bad period lol. You can appreciate someone as a person and the effort they put in without having to like their cooking.
Do I think it could become a good dlc? Yes! But it is not right now by any measurable scale. Is it okay to still like it? Absolutely! But remember that they're scrapping everything except the looks.
It's not okay to hate the people, but you can absolutely hate the product as it is, and I do actually lol. If they didn't set this roadmap up I think this game would've died.
If you disagree that's also okay, we'll just agree to disagree!
You have Hatify twice in your modlist in the description and I assume you're using KCC downpatcher which is missing.
yep just fixed it ty
i will 100% buy the dlc once they get to the end of the roadmap
*if the changes are good surely lol
Can someone explain me why did he pick up the seer’s lens around 25:13 mark?? I mean I get that without crit he won’t be able to utilise the shatterspleen, but how would that help in moon if you are skipping the pillars?
Umbral spawns clones that can be vrit’d
thanks race 🙌
MOVEMENT WHITE ITEM
Did Race H0st skip pillars? I thought that was removed when the physics got updated?
Edit: literally just got to the point where he said he fixed it with a mod LOL
right at the end of phase 3, you held off on killing him until pizza was done, was there a reason for that?
so he doesnt fuck up pizza probably
It's okay to talk trash about the DLC, because that's exactly how it came out of the oven.
If you're reading this, just remember that the DEVS would've kept it in for longer. The PUBLISHERS and their SHAREHOLDERS are the ones who need fingers pointed at them for forcing it out too soon.
I might actually buy the dlc and get back into the game now. How poor the release of the DLC was completely ruined the game for me and I haven't touched it since but seeing that they are trying to fix all of the things that they did wrong really inspires hope
Hey ! What's the mod for bringing host skipping back ? Is it not available for the public yet ?
kccdownpatcher
honestly, in terms of item design, I do think your stream chat probably understands it better than the sots devs did when they released it lol. the new items really were that bad.
not necessarily a slight against the devs, as you said they probably basically made the dlc before even having the chance to play and understand the game, but still
What's the mod that unpatches h0st skip? Does it also bring back the old pot-rolling physics, or just the trimp aspect?
also btw u have hatify in your mod list twice :> (2nd link and 3rd to last link in desc)
fixes host skip, trimping, and potrolling. kccdownpatcher
For me this proved that the devs at gearbox atleast care about the game and the community. That the devs still have passion for creating good games and that the reason the dlc had all those problems on release was because greed from those in charge of everything. like what happens with a lot of games these days. This doesn't bring back my trust tho and ill never spend a $ on any gearbox game again.
Sure, most of the items in SOTS are pretty terrible, but also Hopoo gave us the harpoon, my beloathed, so i guess i can't be too harsh.
I mean you can, 95% of the sotv items were good and we got like over double the amount of items in that dlc lol
Can you send the essay, just because I want to see it :D.
i love your giggle can i marry you
wow amazing
6:18 Bro honestly, 100%, I actually really enjoy the False Son fight 🥶 AS LONG AS you have MS and some way to deal with golems, and SOME ranged attack, I swear the fight is actually fun. Playing around his dashes, his laser, and the ambient threat (i.e. golems and meteors), and of course his emp in final form, is actually really enjoyable. Plus the music is best in the game imo.
Yes, I know his animations are janky af and it's nigh unwinnable without mobility (and unlike with Mythrix you only get 3 stages of loot, not 5). But once you learn his patterns and the general flow of the fight (and have MS), it's very doable. And at least you don't NEED a hopoo feather / verticality like you do with Mythrix.
The stage itself is so cool and a great idea too, but I think a bit overtuned with meteor spawn rate and enemy spawns / levels (but maybe that was partially elite bug?). Either way it's wayyyy more engaging than the voidling stage where you just charge beacons and try not to get voided. But that's just imo.
I don't like it simply cuz his stupid laser auto tracks you perfectly and shreds you in 2 seconds
Got the dlc day one and it was so disappointing, I went back to D4 lol
I've said it twice before on other videos, I'll say it again: I am so tired of the community dogging on the devs for SotS, and continuing to do so after they literally gave us a ROADMAP to tell us "Yes, we are fixing EVERYTHING"
They know exactly how they messed up, and it's clear if they just got an extra 3-4 months of dev time the DLC would have been better at least (Console parity obviously needed way more time and was probably just lumped in by the Execs and higher ups hands at Gearbox and Take Two, not because the devs were happy with it). I hate seeing people hating on Gearbox when they are literally doing exactly what we asked for as a community;
1. Fix all the issues (already in progress)
2. Fix the DLC content. They made a freaking ROADMAP, that's not a bad thing, that's an example of...
3. Talking to the community and getting feedback from good players.
Why people still whine and complain when by all means we have 0 reason yet to doubt them is beyond me, I mean just look at the first rounds of bug fixes, look at the Antler Shield rework, look at how they've upped their community involvement again. It's all feeling really good to me, as someone who has most of his playtime post-SotS update but hasn't bought the DLC yet. Once they've finished this roadmap, I'll happily add it next to SotV in my steam library.
I'll say as someone who as talked to the devs and is hopeful about a lot of things here, none of you guys should just put faith in a company until they see the results though. I can't appreciate gearbox enough for listening and learning and trying their best to undo the mistakes, but until we see the results in peoples actual games in their library I think all you guys have the right to be a little skeptical and I think that's okay actually, as long as they're given a little time we can be patient and see. Because tbh I still think arguably the game is still in way worse condition than it was before they picked it up. But gb had a very good response here, the best they could've given in fact and I wish them well. Repairing bridges and all that (✿◡‿◡)
@@RacesVideos Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, while I personally see no reason not to give them a second chance, if they mess up that second chance I likely won't be giving them a third. I just find it annoying that people refuse to even consider giving them that second chance, however skeptical it might be, and I definitely don't blame people who were around for much longer pre-SotS.
And when I say I see 0 reason to doubt them, I definitely don't mean I think the game is better now than it was before either, more that I don't see a world where it gets any worse than it was launch day of the DLC.
Great video, btw, can't wait to see your takes on the item reworks once we see them all! (Hopefully pre-launch, I'd love for the community to be able to submit feedback on all their future reworks before they get added to save them even more dev time)
yo waddup
Is there a character easier to use than railgunner? For me its ALL OF THEM, LMAO
I can aim but not in close fights and my fps is dogshit soooo.... Yeah...
The easiest i would say is Acrid and/or Huntress
Its as shrimple as that.
That is the Hope oooo
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tough crowd
I still wholeheartedly believe they should completely remove the False Son boss fight. Because it's LITERALLY MITHRIX.
Big man with heavy thing slams ground, creating pillars of blue fire.
Between attacks he dashes and throws needles that give you a debuff.
There are pillars around the area to hide behind, that go away as the fight progresses instead of appearing like in Mithrix's fight.
Slams ground and spawns blue soccer balls that spin around the arena.
On his final phase, he takes something important from you that you need to get back.
The only original thing in the fight is the laser, which could be compared to Voidling's laser but it's like, not cool and hitscan.
Instead of reworking the fight, here's what we do:
Just like with Voidling and Mithrix, you kill the boss, you get a character semi-associated with the lore. Captain is the leader of the ship that drops all the items and survivors, and Void Fiend is a Commando who escaped Simulacrum (I think), now corrupted.
So, instead of fighting False Son, we unlock him. And rather, we 'build a man a statue'. That man? Providence, of course!
You know how fucking excited I was to fight the massive statue in the Prime Meridian? I was so psyched. I have ten(ish) friends who play RoR2, and all of them had the same thoughts, which were "HOLY SHIT WE'RE FIGHTING THE- oh, it's Mithrix. WHO WE GONNA UNLOCK THOU- oh, it's Mithrix." Sucked. Balls. LET ME FIGHT THE BIG STATUE!
Prime Meridian already doesn't stack up to the Void special environments in aesthetics and beauty, fuckin' STATUE IT UP! Have the statue be in front of us, and we wail on it while it attacks us! Move us around, move the boss around too maybe? Have it walk after as and we have to parkour while trying to get hits in or something. Like in Voidling, in between phases you could have to do parkour, but you can damage him while you run away? Maybe give the Gopus buff so you aren't super slow if you don't have move speed? Up the base move speed during the sections? The world's their oyster, you can do original stuff while making it fit the heart of the game.
Anyway, just wanted to talk about this stuff, been stuck in my head for months.
I mean it kind of makes sense for him to be similar to mithrix cuz he's based on providence and was corrupted by mithrix's followers,
I don't really think the fight feels anything like mithrix
but what you said about fighting the giant statue does sound epic as fuck and way cooler than mithrix's lame fight 😭😭 I said mithrix so many times
@@skiburc2252 Well it doesn't feel like Mithrix 'cause Mithrix is a good boss lmao
I honestly think the whole idea for SotS kinda sucks nuts, the brothers' story finished, as seen by the Void being the focus of SotV. Would have loved to see a DLC about the Red Plane or something.
@@Pufftarot wdf is the red plane
@@skiburc2252 It's the place where the Imps come from, ya know how when they die they show up they come from a red portal? That's the red plane
roadmap for a dlc is crazy
cant wait for a release of dlc!
is it though? maybe if you think about it conceptually and far removed from the situation, but this is the best thing they couldve ever said after the disaster happened. I've been asking people who have brought forth similar questions, 'what else could they have said to make you happy?' lol, heres 100$?
@@RacesVideos I just think it's funny to see a roadmap for a DLC. I 100% think that this was a great thing to share with the community, it's just that roadmaps are not often used in this situation lol. I'm glad that they are communicating with us on their plans and how they are going to do it.
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@@RacesVideos it's definitely a good idea but still wild in this situation