In terms of describing the relationship between ontology and epistemology I have heard the phrase "symbiotic relationship" used and I think it rightly captures what Van Til was describing about the two and their relationship.
Great conversation. Question: When talking about epistemological order, what role does, say, the infant's development of knowledge play as he comes to know, say, his mom, his dad, his world, and so on up to learning language? It would seem in this light that the senses are prior in the epistemological process. Could you speak to this? How is God epistemologically prior in light of such developmental considerations?
Thank You gentlemen and all at RF for a superb illuminating discussion. Please tell me how those living in the UK can purchase Dr Tipton's new book. Thank You
@@rynounworthysaint Thankyou Ryan for the information. I purchased the Kindle edition which is really well done but I might order a hard copy as well. Thanks again
Thoughts on this quote by JH Thornwell? “By the very nature of the reason, in apprehending the world as contingent we apprehend it as having been originated. We are not conscious of any succession of ideas at all. It seems to be an intuition of God, which is awakened in the soul upon occasion of its coming into contact with the world. But God is not the object of intuition. If he were, we would know him by some faculty of immediate perception. We know him only mediately through a law of reason which gives His being as an immediate inference from the facts of experience.” Collected Writings vol. I, lect. II, p.59
Perhaps he merely intends to deny that "intuition" simpliciter-- as a bare natural capacity-- immediately apprehends God; that would a stark form of rationalism. The Reformed doctrine of the sensus divinitatis, as we describe in the episode, begins with God's revelation in nature (in the book of conscience) and construes that revelation as naturally implanted in Adam as the image of God, and it denies any notion that intuition simpliciter is a bare natural capacity that immediately accesses God. In fact, such a view would bypass revelation altogether and trend toward mysticism. Maybe that is what Thornwell wants to deny. If so, wonderful! The sensus is rooted in God's internal revelation to Adam as the image of God and thus utilizes created media (it is not immediate in the sense that it bypasses created media). Moreover, the naturally implanted knowledge supplies in part the internal ground for the natural religious fellowship that accrues instantly to Adam upon his creation. Perhaps there are other places where Thornwell affirms the naturally implanted knowledge of God given in the work of creational image endowment that you find affirmed in Calvin, Turretin, Vos, Van Til and others. Thanks for the question!
Inferred knowledge of God as cause, which is epistemologically posterior to knowledge of God's effect, is consistent with immediate, non-inferred, natural knowledge of God. There is more than one way a thing can be known, as when I know that I can immediately know that I am in North America, and I can also discover that through studying the stars.
I really enjoy these videos!
Amen I was waiting for more of Van Til book going over it defending the faith:)
In terms of describing the relationship between ontology and epistemology I have heard the phrase "symbiotic relationship" used and I think it rightly captures what Van Til was describing about the two and their relationship.
YES.
We now have the manner
To look at a fruit grow on vidio, and his fruit in his season
Great conversation. Question: When talking about epistemological order, what role does, say, the infant's development of knowledge play as he comes to know, say, his mom, his dad, his world, and so on up to learning language? It would seem in this light that the senses are prior in the epistemological process. Could you speak to this? How is God epistemologically prior in light of such developmental considerations?
Thank You gentlemen and all at RF for a superb illuminating discussion.
Please tell me how those living in the UK can purchase Dr Tipton's new book.
Thank You
Hi Nigel, if you’re still looking for a copy, our friends at Reformation Heritage Books have them ready to ship to the UK.
@@rynounworthysaint Thankyou Ryan for the information. I purchased the Kindle edition which is really well done but I might order a hard copy as well.
Thanks again
@@rynounworthysaint Hi Ryan. I sent an email to you via RF. Hope you received it.
Thoughts on this quote by JH Thornwell?
“By the very nature of the reason, in apprehending the world as contingent we apprehend it as having been originated. We are not conscious of any succession of ideas at all. It seems to be an intuition of God, which is awakened in the soul upon occasion of its coming into contact with the world.
But God is not the object of intuition. If he were, we would know him by some faculty of immediate perception. We know him only mediately through a law of reason which gives His being as an immediate inference from the facts of experience.”
Collected Writings vol. I, lect. II, p.59
Perhaps he merely intends to deny that "intuition" simpliciter-- as a bare natural capacity-- immediately apprehends God; that would a stark form of rationalism. The Reformed doctrine of the sensus divinitatis, as we describe in the episode, begins with God's revelation in nature (in the book of conscience) and construes that revelation as naturally implanted in Adam as the image of God, and it denies any notion that intuition simpliciter is a bare natural capacity that immediately accesses God. In fact, such a view would bypass revelation altogether and trend toward mysticism. Maybe that is what Thornwell wants to deny. If so, wonderful! The sensus is rooted in God's internal revelation to Adam as the image of God and thus utilizes created media (it is not immediate in the sense that it bypasses created media). Moreover, the naturally implanted knowledge supplies in part the internal ground for the natural religious fellowship that accrues instantly to Adam upon his creation. Perhaps there are other places where Thornwell affirms the naturally implanted knowledge of God given in the work of creational image endowment that you find affirmed in Calvin, Turretin, Vos, Van Til and others. Thanks for the question!
Outside of earth is still to
Be brieched
ebook/kindle version?
What's the deal with Thomas Aquinas, didn't he have a heretical view of the ontology of God?
You might be confusing him with Karl Barth or some Evangelical mutualist in recent years. Thomas is not a heretic.
@@vanttil101 wasn't it Aquinas who said the father and Holy Spirit died on the cross with jesus?
yup thomistic movement getting hold of the sbc and maybe other evangelical movements. scary.
@@danielmorris4765 citation?
@@classicchristianliterature I heard it. I need to read his writings to see for myself. That'd why I was asking
Inferred knowledge of God as cause, which is epistemologically posterior to knowledge of God's effect, is consistent with immediate, non-inferred, natural knowledge of God. There is more than one way a thing can be known, as when I know that I can immediately know that I am in North America, and I can also discover that through studying the stars.
Face it, god is nothing more than a metaphor for a mystery that is beyond all categories of human thought.