I mean, ultimately their whole birthed from flames thing was just killing someone at a very particular time. Raising a kid is them having to *keep* this kid alive. It's literally the opposite of their whole revelling in destruction shtick.
It makes perfect sense to be honest, the power they serve is the fear of destruction, death, unmet expectations, things being burned to the ground before there potential is realized. OF COURSE theyre gonna have trouble actaully raising something.
"I actually like Daisy now, which is a weird feeling" is an accurate description of my current opinion of Daisy. Btw Agnes deserved better and John speaking about how much he needed Martin to be okay is killing me.
It's amazing how much I went from not being a huge fan of Daisy to really liking her (this is like, my third listen through, so I just like her overall now, but it's still so cool to see the difference!)
Other followers of the entities: ranging from fear to admiration to classic blind reverence The freaks of the lightless flame: actively and openly horny for fire and pain
The Desolation both benefits and suffers from a very specific focus. Gods of pure elemental destruction are pretty niche these days, but they have their dedicated cult followings. See what I did there?
Absolutely losing it over the fact that Jon basically considers Helen a coworker now, or at least enough to speak of her in the same breath as everyone else 😂
something that continually stands out to me as one of the most tragic aspects of these entities, is how it affects children. I can’t stop thinking about Trevor Herbert watching his brother dying, Gerard Keay being born into a terrifying world he wanted no part of, Jon finding the Leitner and witnessing the death of his bully, etc. Agnes is one of the saddest. She was born as her mother was immolated, raised to spearhead a cult, and in the end she died just because she had the thought that she had the possibility of living a normal life. It’s so sad to see how these entities don’t have any reservations about destroying children’s lives as well as adults. It’s like Tim said in season 3, it all comes down to bad luck. Idk it just makes me sad I guess
Agnes truly has such a sad story. They all do. Forced into this by the adults around them, or just by terrible luck, left with no hope of any kind of life outside this madness
I remember Gerard Keay being so certain there was no power in the other emotions outside of fear... But this is now twice in a row we see those outside emotions playing significant roles in derailing evil. For the Slaughter, it's empathy. For the desolation, it was hope........ Hell, I remember that backpacker who felt alone when overwhelmed by a faceless crowed, and was able to get out by remembering his connection to his mother. They are spelling out that even though there are no suped-up avatars of these other feels, they Can be used as a tool against the powers. Hope Jon figures that out sooner rather than later.
Also the Buried. When Jon was in the coffin, it was described as the weight of all of your guilt crushing you. But in all of the statements where people escaped The Buried, it was because they stopped fighting and accepted their fate (at least the woman on the train and the guy in the flood, but I think it goes for all of them). So by accepting your guilt and your mistakes and no longer fighting them, you can escape the Buried.
It makes sense. The entities feed on fear. When someone is able to latch onto another emotion or thought to anchor them, their fear lessens, thus lessening the entity’s ability to fully consume them. With the statements about people escaping the Buried, acceptance and calm staved off their panic and fear, so they were let go. In “Lost in the Crowd” the statement giver was almost lost to the Lonely, but anchored themself with reminders that there was still at least someone out there who they were close with and who loves them, their mother. Those thoughts of home calmed their mind, redirecting it from thoughts of fear, and they were let go. Fear is what traps you. If you find a way to conquer the fear, the entities can’t fully claim you. They might still hurt you. They might still leave a mark. But you’ll probably live. At least that’s my theory. ☺️
@@DerMoerpler I think you can beat every single fear by stop beeing afraid. She laid down and accepted death and stopped beeing afraid of it and the buried probably just lost interest. What good does she do if she isn´t afraid? I think the guy who was late to dinner and just walked out of the spiral might also be a case of that. And the plumber guy who didn´t notice the blood in the drain and stuff and just did his job and went home.
weird that it was an episode about the Desolation that left me feeling... butterfly feelings about Agnes and coffeeshop boy, and, of course, jon dealing with his feelings
There seems to be a theme of fears destroying rituals by their own nature. The hunt rituals are doomed to fail because the hunters cant give up the chase and now a desolation rituals having its own potential destroyed by happenstance
Hmmm. I thought that the hunt ritual would be plunging the world into an endless chase. Sorta like the purge except on a world wide scale. But then again that would be leading into something like the slaughter then. I just had an intresting thought. Could two seporate powers perform thier rituals togeather and "support" eachother? I cant think of any examples now but maybe... idk lol
The Stranger has also been halted twice by people just waltzing in and blowing the ritual up. For all of their preparation, the Stranger seems to take very little precaution against intruders. The Slaugher's ritual died with a whimper when they just ran out of steam, and the Flesh's ritual, it could be argued, was halted due its excessive requirements. It took days of throwing meat into a hole in the ground and very unsubtly hauling it around town in trucks. It was day three of the ritual before Gertrude finally got around to blowing it up.
@@screamingcactus1753 It has just now occurred to me the ridiculousness of any ritual, especially The Flesh's. Like Gertrude really just pranced around, kidnapped and murdered a dude, sipped her bourbon and soda D. B. Cooper style, fucked up from a three day bender, and then remembered to blow shit up. And it fucking worked, too! I need someone to write a comedic fic a la Gertrude x C4. That's a motherfucking archivist.
yes! all the hard work of its cultists, decades of it, all their sacrifices and all their _hope_ - just go up whoosh in a smoke. I love this poetic justice
This entire time, I thought Ivo Lensik pulling down the tree was what killed Agnes. But she chose it because the hint of a normal life made her doubt her purpose? Oof, it's fine, not like I needed that heart...
I feel the reason Agnes can crumble from the smallest slice of doubt but Jon is plagued with it constantly is by the nature of their entities. There is no room for hesitation in a bonfire. There is material and there is the steady march of heat as it all is consumed and then reduced. But The Eye is all about perceptions. It’s about knowing and not knowing and anxiety and speculation and DOUBT. The Eye relishes in Jon’s doubt whereas The Desolation is antithetical to hesitance, which is why Agnes was brought down by it, being such a pure manifestation of her entity.
Been saying this for as long as I knew of their existance. Desolation is just a bunch of sad losers externalizing their sadness onto others (and feeling extremely cool and edgy about it).
It's rather hilarious to me that literally any human contact was able to completely disrupt their Chosen One's resolve. Evidently, human nature and needs are stronger than the Entities. Really sucks to suck, gods who rely on fear over love, eh? So easy to create yet so inflexible when disrupted. Almost like fear is one of the weakest emotions when faced against resolve.
Finally! The background of Agnes! I hope maybe further on there will be a statement of Agnes herself, all we have what other people think of her (or how they had the “hots” for her) also First!
Jon like "I'm full of doubts. I'm an amazing chosen one!" I think so though. He'd definitely be like an enneagram 6 or 5, a Skeptic or Investigator, and I think those are the people the Eye picks up on. People who are curious and Have To Find Out. Well and then he falls down lmao.
It only makes sense. Doubt leads to a desire to learn, to obtain the knowledge that would put your doubts your doubts to rest. At the same time, it demands far more evidence than curiosity. Doubt drives a thirst for knowledge that is hard to quench.
"It was the first of my crimes, but not the last, and arson has always been my thing. It’s such a simple way to destroy everything someone has built, both literally and figuratively." COUNT OLAF IS THAT YOU?????
Love the idea that that's why Martin hasn't been seeing him is he's just watching Jon to make sure he didn't spy on him "oh no you don't you little shit!" Pokes him in the eye
Yeah. I feel like her charactization changes based on the statement giver. First, she was a mysterious troubled child, someone who gave the 'kindly' Mr. Fielding so much grief. Then, she was an odd child who saved the protag from being served to Mr. Spider. Next, she was a beautiful, thoughtful woman who seemed to long to be normal. Now she's a spoiled brat, who used to have a nasty temper. And possibly took pleasure in the hurting of others.
@@mechengr1731I’m pretty sure her being described as a spoiled brat was just a description of her childhood and described how much the lightless flame struggled to raise her. Also the fact that multiple people died because of her upbringing probably made Eugene upset. But also she was literally born and baptized by the flame and wasn’t able to talk to or interact with many people her age due to her power. It’s understandable that she’d be not that well adjusted. But also he did say she was considerate and quiet and willing to learn. I’m pretty sure her enjoying the idea of the desolation came from her being raised and born to the fire. Honestly this description seems slightly biased but mostly positive. It’s clear that the lightless flame cared for her and she cared for them. Also the fact that she felt doubt proves that she likely wanted a normal life.
Season 2 Jon: Martin gave me coffee and asked if I’m alright. What’s he plotting Season 4 Jon: I know he’s cooking up some scheme but I trust him so I’m gonna let him cook. Fuck Lucas though 👏character 👏development 👏
I'd like to point out that Jon specifically says "I _need_ to trust him" because that's what he wants, he wants to trust people and not make the same mistakes he did before. If I recall well enough, in the s3 finaly Jon says something about not beeing able to naturally trust people anymore, but instead _chosing_ to trust his friends Now that's some character development 👏👏
This episode was better than expected. I was so confused at first as to why the barista had ruined their plans and then just hope/doubt entering agnus' mind. Wow. He did it. I still feel bad for him. Also Jon's painful psychic session is OOF big hurt
I've had a question for a while: if these fears are thousands(?) of years old, how have none of these rituals ever succeeded? Surely, they attempted them before the early oughts, right? It seems like this episode (and comments) provide an answer: the human spirit. We repeatedly see fears being overcome by individuals, much less all of humanity. I haven't finished the series yet, but im going to predict that it is impossible for fear to win in the end.
While this answered alot of questions (specifically about the house and a bit about how the spider works) it makes a few more poiniont ones, namely if Agnes was made, then what does that say about the other avatars? It certainly seems like the spiral chooses almost randomly, and out boi seems to be choosen by Elias soooo
It kind of seems like the Spiral doesn't choose avatars at all; rather, it's solely up to whether a person the Distortion traps inside the hallways manages to destroy it from the inside and replace the previous avatar.
I mean Agnes was a special case. Jude Perry is also considered an avatar of The Desolation, but she was recruited the old fashioned way. Agnes was basically a step above most avatars, becoming closer to what The Distortion was before it became strapped down to an identity. Or closer to Nikola, who was specifically created to be the Dancer in The Unknowing.
I remember all the 4 horsemen theories before the entites were explained but since that idea is so old what if they were the original entities and they are split and evolved into the 15 today
13:00 “and Jude was *besotted* with Agnes. I couldn’t tell you if she loved her as a god. Or as a woman. Or as both.” Jude is terrible but that made my heart ache, why
Its almost strange getting the other half of this story. The first one is definitely one of the saddest episodes in my heart, and I feel like this sort of makes it sadder especially now that we know what happened to her
yah I just relistened to both the episodes back to back, agnes is such a tragic story and it's amazing how much it makes you feel despite basically being a background character that we never even hear talk
I think what’s the saddest part is that there’s hints of Agnes being a naturally good person amidst the indoctrination. She’s saved people before and holds a grudge on the web for what they’ve done to the kids of hilltop road.
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It makes you wonder how much of her destructive powers were really hers or down to being raised by a bunch of cultist nutjobs...
Agnes deserved better this is my daughter now I want to take her out of the series and protect her. Also, the ritual getting ruined by a Coffee Shop Meet Cute and a little too much hope is adorable.
Oh boy. I have a feeling that this episode is foreshadowing something. You know I just had a funny thought. What if the "wachter's crown" was an actual crown and was being kept in Elias's safe. If this is true I'm going to commit arson.
Jon groaning never gets old but also never stops making me ever so slightly uncomfortable. I know it’s usually because he’s in pain or struggling physically with something but I can’t help but be sliiiiightly uncomfortable.
I figure now is as good a time as any to post my notes on the fears. they're long as shit so i'll put them in the replies. Basic formatting: Fear name/ alternate fear name: description of fear any important notes on how it manifests. Ritual: name of ritual, description, has it been stopped? Relationships: - compatible/incompatible with [fear name]. brief explanation if I felt like it. Avatars: - name. what they do, relationships, dead or alive. anyone who I think MIGHT be human (or human-adjacent) goes here. Manifestations: -Name, either official or made up by me. what they look like, what they do. anything that's monster-shaped goes here, as well as supernatural places. Artifacts: -name. what it is, what it does. -Leitner: name. description. Not sure how the format will translate to youtube, but we'll see! And please note-- I've been updating these as I read, so odds are they're a giant mess in a bunch of places. If information is innacurate or missing, let me know!
The buried/ The Choke/ Too-Close-I-Cannot-Breathe- claustrophobia/ being buried alive. I avoid these. You can’t die w/ them! Wet and creppy. Ritual- The sunken sky. Could be disrupted by throwing someone void-touched down it at the right timing, like Jan Kilbride- Gertrude did it. Relationships: Incompatible with The Vast. Avatars: Stephan Brotchen: got possessed by dust. Eberhart and Strauss: target debtors. They cause floods :3 Manifestations: Bucoda Pit: ate a town whole Artifacts: Salesa has an artifact from them- a box that traps you inside if you touch it then sleep. The Do Not Open coffin. The pit. Tied itself to Breekon and Hope. Leitner: Dig. The Seven Lamps of Architecture (maybe spiral)?
The Vast- fear of anything incomprehensibly large, usually the sky or sea. Our own insignificance in the universe. Relationships: Compatible with The Lonely. Compatible with The Dark. Incompatible with The Buried. Too much space versus too little. Was on the library attack team. Avatars: Mike Crew: Vertigo. Specializes in falling. Was chased by fractal man as a child. Dead. Simon Fairchild: deleting the ground. His family is V rich Manifestations: The gray things that kill you with fall damage. Artifacts: Leitner: Ex Altiora.
The Lonely/ Forsaken- fear of isolation. Have a strong connection to fog. Relationships: Compatible with The Eye. The Lukas family is a major source of funds for the archives. Compatible with The Vast. The Fairchild and Lukas families cooperated on the experiment on The Daedalus. Compatible with The Dark. The lukas family and a shell company in Nye Alesund worked together on the Daedalus experiments. Avatars: The Lukas family: a family with a long history of serving The Lonely. Peter Lukas: Captain of The Tundra. Works with Salesea. Working as interim head for the archives, trying to stop The Extinction from forming He sucks. Conrad Lukas: in charge of the Daedalus projects. ‘There is nothing in space’. Mordecai Lukas: knew Magnus personally. Operated in the 1800’s. Could make you be the only person on earth. Evan Lukas: Fiancee of Naomi Herne. Dead- does emotional connection kill them? Martin sort of. Manifestations: The audience: black-cloaked figures wearing greek choral masks. Hollow inside. Haunted Adonis in (108).
The End/ Terminus- Fear of death. Ritual: has never attempted a ritual. Relationships: Avatars: Death gang. If you beat them in a game of chance, you become death (and immortal). Dr. Tellison: used the book to revive the dead and commit insurance fraud. Guy who saw the future VIA dreams Woman who stole fear Justin Gough- Terminus. Died of lung poisoning, and does the same to others because of a deal he made. Deals in dreams. Dekker fucked his brain up, but he might have healed. Oliver Banks: dream prophecy man. Used to go by antonio. 2 years before Gertrude, he started seeing the visions while awake. Point Nemo- the farthest place away from shit in the ocean. Where they found Cthulhu. The veins. Artifacts: Leitner: Book of the dead, unnamed. Describes its owner’s (reader’s?) death in horrid detail. Lets you speak to the dead (?)
The Extinction/ The Terrible Change/ The-Future-Without-Us- change. A catastrophic change that will wipe out what it means to be us and leave something else in its place. Ritual: has never attempted a ritual, but is going to. Lukas is trying to stop it. Relationships: Avatars: Garland Hillier. A member of the Millerites, a doomsday cult. Wrote the inheritors. ‘The door is the door’. Manifestations: The inheritors. Terrifying things that come after us. Kind of like pompeii corpses? Artifacts:
i love how the cult was like: conceiving a messiah from flames? easy just diy it. Raising a child? fuckin impossible
Sounds about right, to be honest.
I mean, ultimately their whole birthed from flames thing was just killing someone at a very particular time. Raising a kid is them having to *keep* this kid alive. It's literally the opposite of their whole revelling in destruction shtick.
Instead they let one of their enemies do it 😂
It makes perfect sense to be honest, the power they serve is the fear of destruction, death, unmet expectations, things being burned to the ground before there potential is realized. OF COURSE theyre gonna have trouble actaully raising something.
Did they think it was going to be that easy?
Local Barista flirts with Avatar of Desolation, Inadvertently prevents Apocalypse.
Sad thing is: He saved the world and will never know
Breaking News!
and all it cost him was his face.
At The Cost of Getting his Face Burned
@@anushka-wb6zw and his entire remaining life ruined, presumably
Now this is the definition of plot being murdered by a coffee shop AU
Take my upvote and leave
JAJAJAJAJ
All bow are are not worthy (of this comment)
This made me laugh
"𝙻𝚒𝚔𝚎."*
i love how jon is going through some super painful mind-boggling moment at the end and he still feels the need to say "end recording" ??!!!!!
He's very duty-oriented.
Poor Jon.
i think he finishes and then has a moment of realisation and is like "i need to go-"
I mean he took statements during his COMA so 😂😂
I love that the rituals are so DIY. If you don't know how to birth a chosen one directly from the lightless flame, homemade is fine
I've been binging these recently and I just wanted to say I appreciate ur comments, made me almost pee a couple of times
This is it. The best comment.
Hi welcome back to five minute crafts
That’s the thing.
Literally all religious rituals are DIY.
I also love that no one really knows if the entities even really want or need them, so everything is just a massive stab in the dark
Coffee shop aus are more powerful than C4 at interrupting rituals apparently
fr....what's the more popular tag on ao3? coffee shop or c4? case rested
I imagine Gertrude taking notes on the weaknesses of rituals and in this one writing down "coffee shop au"
😂 yep
"avatar of destruction to lover"
Starberry Cupcake 40k slow burn
Lmao no beta we die like men
@@deadinthename w-what?
"I actually like Daisy now, which is a weird feeling" is an accurate description of my current opinion of Daisy. Btw Agnes deserved better and John speaking about how much he needed Martin to be okay is killing me.
It's amazing how much I went from not being a huge fan of Daisy to really liking her (this is like, my third listen through, so I just like her overall now, but it's still so cool to see the difference!)
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@@Vi_Vi_1 her character arc was so well done
@@tossoutacc9241 Seriously, they did a great job with her
As a first listener I hope nothing will happen to Daisy
Gertrude, taking notes on how to disrupt The Desolation ritual: love triangle, coffe shop au, slowburn
Slow burn lmfao ok this has to have been intentional I thought it was naught but humour
Why did I imagine gertrude writing this on top of her bed and kicking her feet like a teenage girl writing her diary💀💀
AO3 to the rescue
she invented ao3 terms
This is just the average gender reveal party these days
that made me snort-laugh. So true.
Congratulations, it's an eldritch abomination!
Well you're not wrong
(hears origin story of one of the most powerful entities so far)
Jon: Weird. Anyway, I love my friends and I'm worried about my boyfriend.
Underrated comment
Glad he points it out every time he can xD
Other followers of the entities: ranging from fear to admiration to classic blind reverence
The freaks of the lightless flame: actively and openly horny for fire and pain
I don't know about that, I think the Dig guy was pretty horny too. And Jane Prentiss.
@@raskr8137 nah hold up, Michael Crew had the biggest hard on for his own Tom fuckery
elias absolutely 100% is horny for the eye too. and for pretty mucg everything he can be horny about.
AND THATS VALID
The Desolation both benefits and suffers from a very specific focus. Gods of pure elemental destruction are pretty niche these days, but they have their dedicated cult followings.
See what I did there?
"I need him to be okay. I just do" I-
Me too John. Me too.
Agnes whole life was so sad and lonely. She deserved better :(
I love how much Jon cares for his people and his worries over Martin are so sweet
Absolutely losing it over the fact that Jon basically considers Helen a coworker now, or at least enough to speak of her in the same breath as everyone else 😂
If you can’t get rid of them, accept them and consider them apart of your forever working hell🎉
something that continually stands out to me as one of the most tragic aspects of these entities, is how it affects children. I can’t stop thinking about Trevor Herbert watching his brother dying, Gerard Keay being born into a terrifying world he wanted no part of, Jon finding the Leitner and witnessing the death of his bully, etc. Agnes is one of the saddest. She was born as her mother was immolated, raised to spearhead a cult, and in the end she died just because she had the thought that she had the possibility of living a normal life. It’s so sad to see how these entities don’t have any reservations about destroying children’s lives as well as adults. It’s like Tim said in season 3, it all comes down to bad luck. Idk it just makes me sad I guess
I suppose that's just how it is in the real world, but I keep hoping that the world of this story has justice and that the innocent won't be harmed.
Agnes truly has such a sad story. They all do. Forced into this by the adults around them, or just by terrible luck, left with no hope of any kind of life outside this madness
"I need him to be okay" wooow parallel
*fist pump*
They're making progress!
our boy has come so far and i am so happy TwT
“I need him to be okay” ,,,,,,, sounds familiar Jon
Jon: *I AM THE CHOSEN ONE!*
**makes constipated noises**
but i AM the chosen one
*gets hit over the head by hermione*
right sorry kidding
*goes from worrying about martin to immediately talking about his ""feelings""*
“Every other avatar gets to have their feelings burned right out of them, but me… I’ve just got to sit in mine.” Oh, Jon, my dearest 🥺🥺
I remember Gerard Keay being so certain there was no power in the other emotions outside of fear... But this is now twice in a row we see those outside emotions playing significant roles in derailing evil. For the Slaughter, it's empathy. For the desolation, it was hope........ Hell, I remember that backpacker who felt alone when overwhelmed by a faceless crowed, and was able to get out by remembering his connection to his mother. They are spelling out that even though there are no suped-up avatars of these other feels, they Can be used as a tool against the powers.
Hope Jon figures that out sooner rather than later.
Also the Buried. When Jon was in the coffin, it was described as the weight of all of your guilt crushing you. But in all of the statements where people escaped The Buried, it was because they stopped fighting and accepted their fate (at least the woman on the train and the guy in the flood, but I think it goes for all of them). So by accepting your guilt and your mistakes and no longer fighting them, you can escape the Buried.
@@DerMoerpler Damn good catch.
Terrifying powers of Terror, undone by the powers of Love and Acceptance and occasionally Just Being Kind of Dense and Absentminded
It makes sense. The entities feed on fear. When someone is able to latch onto another emotion or thought to anchor them, their fear lessens, thus lessening the entity’s ability to fully consume them.
With the statements about people escaping the Buried, acceptance and calm staved off their panic and fear, so they were let go.
In “Lost in the Crowd” the statement giver was almost lost to the Lonely, but anchored themself with reminders that there was still at least someone out there who they were close with and who loves them, their mother. Those thoughts of home calmed their mind, redirecting it from thoughts of fear, and they were let go.
Fear is what traps you. If you find a way to conquer the fear, the entities can’t fully claim you. They might still hurt you. They might still leave a mark. But you’ll probably live.
At least that’s my theory. ☺️
@@DerMoerpler I think you can beat every single fear by stop beeing afraid. She laid down and accepted death and stopped beeing afraid of it and the buried probably just lost interest. What good does she do if she isn´t afraid?
I think the guy who was late to dinner and just walked out of the spiral might also be a case of that. And the plumber guy who didn´t notice the blood in the drain and stuff and just did his job and went home.
Jon admitting he has feelings... in the same context as Martin...
me: 👀 what kind of feelings, Jonny boy?
𝙶 𝙰 𝚈 .
weird that it was an episode about the Desolation that left me feeling... butterfly feelings about Agnes and coffeeshop boy, and, of course, jon dealing with his feelings
Imagine: the cult of the lightless flame/ the desolation watching 5 minutes craft videos on how to make your messiahs
𝚈𝙰𝚈.
There seems to be a theme of fears destroying rituals by their own nature. The hunt rituals are doomed to fail because the hunters cant give up the chase and now a desolation rituals having its own potential destroyed by happenstance
Hmmm. I thought that the hunt ritual would be plunging the world into an endless chase. Sorta like the purge except on a world wide scale.
But then again that would be leading into something like the slaughter then.
I just had an intresting thought. Could two seporate powers perform thier rituals togeather and "support" eachother?
I cant think of any examples now but maybe... idk lol
The Stranger has also been halted twice by people just waltzing in and blowing the ritual up. For all of their preparation, the Stranger seems to take very little precaution against intruders. The Slaugher's ritual died with a whimper when they just ran out of steam, and the Flesh's ritual, it could be argued, was halted due its excessive requirements. It took days of throwing meat into a hole in the ground and very unsubtly hauling it around town in trucks. It was day three of the ritual before Gertrude finally got around to blowing it up.
@@screamingcactus1753 It has just now occurred to me the ridiculousness of any ritual, especially The Flesh's. Like Gertrude really just pranced around, kidnapped and murdered a dude, sipped her bourbon and soda D. B. Cooper style, fucked up from a three day bender, and then remembered to blow shit up. And it fucking worked, too!
I need someone to write a comedic fic a la Gertrude x C4. That's a motherfucking archivist.
yes! all the hard work of its cultists, decades of it, all their sacrifices and all their _hope_ - just go up whoosh in a smoke. I love this poetic justice
This entire time, I thought Ivo Lensik pulling down the tree was what killed Agnes. But she chose it because the hint of a normal life made her doubt her purpose? Oof, it's fine, not like I needed that heart...
“i need him to be ok” :( didnt Martin say the same thing before the unknowing?? my heart
The Lightless Flame: Have we been perfect? No. Do we know anything about parenting? No. Should we have picked up a book on parenting? Probably.
😂😂😂😂 underrated comment
They kept burning all the childcare books :(
@@cephalonsark1530 god, yes
Wait Wait Wait. Two Powers going to war over a single location caused that hole to a different reality? Wow.
In addition, I'm convinced the Web tugged on coffee shop boy to flirt with agnes. Makes too much sense considering the Web/Flame feud.
Wait what hole to a different reality? My mind is drawing a blank.
@@DerMoerpler from the episode Cracked Foundation. A woman comes in fro. A parallel universe
SEASON 5 SPOILERS
I'm pretty sure that hole is going to be part of the key to turning the world back.
@@camiart_casual Well.
“i need him to be okay” PARALLELS Y’ALL
martin says this word for word abt jon in ep 117!!
Pour one out for my boy barnabus y'all... all he wanted was a kiss from a hot lady....
Hot 🔥
But its too hot he can't help but melt
Turns out she was a bit too hot
I would too... Hope his life goes well
I feel the reason Agnes can crumble from the smallest slice of doubt but Jon is plagued with it constantly is by the nature of their entities.
There is no room for hesitation in a bonfire.
There is material and there is the steady march of heat as it all is consumed and then reduced.
But The Eye is all about perceptions.
It’s about knowing and not knowing and anxiety and speculation and DOUBT.
The Eye relishes in Jon’s doubt whereas The Desolation is antithetical to hesitance, which is why Agnes was brought down by it, being such a pure manifestation of her entity.
just more evidence the desolation is pretty wack
do they even know what they're doing? or are they just trying to DIY their way into the apocalypse
Been saying this for as long as I knew of their existance. Desolation is just a bunch of sad losers externalizing their sadness onto others (and feeling extremely cool and edgy about it).
@@americantoastman7296 oh so what everyone thinks emos are
"Id spare you the details but i dont want to"😂
me talking about my latest hyperfixation
jon straining to gather information is also how i feel when im trying to have a Thought™
It's rather hilarious to me that literally any human contact was able to completely disrupt their Chosen One's resolve. Evidently, human nature and needs are stronger than the Entities. Really sucks to suck, gods who rely on fear over love, eh? So easy to create yet so inflexible when disrupted. Almost like fear is one of the weakest emotions when faced against resolve.
I love this comment. Just beautifully stated. Human resolve is a powerful thing.
Love the mutual pinning between Jon and Martin, they have to come together and just talk like normal human beings
Finally! The background of Agnes! I hope maybe further on there will be a statement of Agnes herself, all we have what other people think of her (or how they had the “hots” for her) also First!
Jon like "I'm full of doubts. I'm an amazing chosen one!" I think so though. He'd definitely be like an enneagram 6 or 5, a Skeptic or Investigator, and I think those are the people the Eye picks up on. People who are curious and Have To Find Out.
Well and then he falls down lmao.
It only makes sense. Doubt leads to a desire to learn, to obtain the knowledge that would put your doubts your doubts to rest. At the same time, it demands far more evidence than curiosity. Doubt drives a thirst for knowledge that is hard to quench.
Definitely sp4 or sp5.
jon is simply committed to the bit (properly ending statements)
Ok so the Desolation shouldn't be problem for abit. And really jon? Leaving us on a cliff hanger like that?
... you know in a horror series like this, i was not expecting the power of love to save the world
"It was the first of my crimes, but not the last, and arson has always been my thing. It’s such a simple way to destroy everything someone has built, both literally and figuratively."
COUNT OLAF IS THAT YOU?????
I literally had the same thought
ＬＯＯＫ ＡＷＡＹ ＬＯＯＫ ＡＷＡＹ!! ＴＨＥＲＥ ＩＳ ＮＯＴＨＩＮＧ ＢＵＴ ＨＯＲＲＯＲ ＡＮＤ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ? ＯＮ ＴＨＥ ＷＡＹ!!!!
This is it. This is the episode when Agnes Montague became my favorite avatar.
korra step aside
𝙽𝚘.
Like to imagine Lukas quietly standing in the corner, then at the right time leaning over as Jon tries to 'SEE' him, and poking him in the 'eye'. Heh!
Love the idea that that's why Martin hasn't been seeing him is he's just watching Jon to make sure he didn't spy on him "oh no you don't you little shit!" Pokes him in the eye
How my brain finished the quote: "Nice to see Gertrude is making friends"
The quote: "nice to see Gertrude also used to get a lot of threats"
Hard as I try, I still can't quite get my head around Agnes' character. I hope we get to hear more of her eventually
Yeah. I feel like her charactization changes based on the statement giver.
First, she was a mysterious troubled child, someone who gave the 'kindly' Mr. Fielding so much grief.
Then, she was an odd child who saved the protag from being served to Mr. Spider.
Next, she was a beautiful, thoughtful woman who seemed to long to be normal.
Now she's a spoiled brat, who used to have a nasty temper. And possibly took pleasure in the hurting of others.
@@mechengr1731I’m pretty sure her being described as a spoiled brat was just a description of her childhood and described how much the lightless flame struggled to raise her. Also the fact that multiple people died because of her upbringing probably made Eugene upset. But also she was literally born and baptized by the flame and wasn’t able to talk to or interact with many people her age due to her power. It’s understandable that she’d be not that well adjusted. But also he did say she was considerate and quiet and willing to learn. I’m pretty sure her enjoying the idea of the desolation came from her being raised and born to the fire. Honestly this description seems slightly biased but mostly positive. It’s clear that the lightless flame cared for her and she cared for them. Also the fact that she felt doubt proves that she likely wanted a normal life.
Jon: "I actually like Daisy now."
Me too, Jon. Me too.
No no no!
Be kind to Helen!!!
𝚆𝚎 𝚗𝚎𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚝𝚎𝚌𝚝 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚗!!!
Season 2 Jon: Martin gave me coffee and asked if I’m alright. What’s he plotting
Season 4 Jon: I know he’s cooking up some scheme but I trust him so I’m gonna let him cook. Fuck Lucas though 👏character 👏development 👏
I'd like to point out that Jon specifically says "I _need_ to trust him" because that's what he wants, he wants to trust people and not make the same mistakes he did before. If I recall well enough, in the s3 finaly Jon says something about not beeing able to naturally trust people anymore, but instead _chosing_ to trust his friends
Now that's some character development 👏👏
This episode was better than expected. I was so confused at first as to why the barista had ruined their plans and then just hope/doubt entering agnus' mind. Wow. He did it. I still feel bad for him.
Also Jon's painful psychic session is OOF big hurt
I love that all it took to crack/disrupt the lightness flame messiah's purpose was some cute awkward boy in a coffee shop LMAO
I have my money on 'saving the world by the power of love and friendship'
Jon, about Martin: I need him to be okay.
Me, ( *absolutely* ) losing it slightly: That's what Martin said about Jon before the Unknowing.
I've had a question for a while: if these fears are thousands(?) of years old, how have none of these rituals ever succeeded? Surely, they attempted them before the early oughts, right?
It seems like this episode (and comments) provide an answer: the human spirit. We repeatedly see fears being overcome by individuals, much less all of humanity. I haven't finished the series yet, but im going to predict that it is impossible for fear to win in the end.
While this answered alot of questions (specifically about the house and a bit about how the spider works) it makes a few more poiniont ones, namely if Agnes was made, then what does that say about the other avatars? It certainly seems like the spiral chooses almost randomly, and out boi seems to be choosen by Elias soooo
It kind of seems like the Spiral doesn't choose avatars at all; rather, it's solely up to whether a person the Distortion traps inside the hallways manages to destroy it from the inside and replace the previous avatar.
I mean Agnes was a special case. Jude Perry is also considered an avatar of The Desolation, but she was recruited the old fashioned way.
Agnes was basically a step above most avatars, becoming closer to what The Distortion was before it became strapped down to an identity.
Or closer to Nikola, who was specifically created to be the Dancer in The Unknowing.
I remember all the 4 horsemen theories before the entites were explained but since that idea is so old what if they were the original entities and they are split and evolved into the 15 today
Ok this aged poorly
@@BenVlogsvlogsandgames it’s an interesting idea though
It's funny how Jon tried to will the desired information into his head, just like that.
Eugene is a monster just...…wow never looking at candles the same way ever again.
Nice how her name is Agnes because Agni is Sanskrit word for fire.
As much of coincidence that is, Agnes comes from italian descent for "pure" which would mean as she was born as the pure avatar of lightless flame
It also has religious connotations associated with "the lamb of god", agnus dei, the messiah etc
Imagine you're about to get into heaven but God says, "Sorry, I have a boyfriend."
Leave an F in the comments for Jude Perry.
Also imagine you have a massive crush on said god
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Both Agnes and Jon were both picked in a crazy cult, both just wanted a normal life. :(
13:00 “and Jude was *besotted* with Agnes. I couldn’t tell you if she loved her as a god. Or as a woman.
Or as both.”
Jude is terrible but that made my heart ache, why
“Arson has always been my thing”
Same
*this episode explaining a lot* *me freaking out about every little detail happening* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
So no ones gonna bring up how Jon basically just confessed that he has feelings for Martin?
I'm actually shocked at how few comments there were since this is the most openly Jon has displayed his feelings for Martin so far
𝙷𝙾𝙼𝙾𝚂𝙴𝚇𝚄𝙰𝙻𝚂!!! 𝚆𝙾𝙼𝙴𝙽 𝚆𝙸𝚃𝙷 𝙲𝙷𝙸𝙻𝙳𝚁𝙴𝙽 𝙴𝚇-𝙴𝚇 𝙻𝙾𝚅𝙴𝚁𝚂 𝙰𝙽𝙳...Elias.
Its almost strange getting the other half of this story. The first one is definitely one of the saddest episodes in my heart, and I feel like this sort of makes it sadder especially now that we know what happened to her
yah I just relistened to both the episodes back to back, agnes is such a tragic story and it's amazing how much it makes you feel despite basically being a background character that we never even hear talk
I think what’s the saddest part is that there’s hints of Agnes being a naturally good person amidst the indoctrination. She’s saved people before and holds a grudge on the web for what they’ve done to the kids of hilltop road.
It makes you wonder how much of her destructive powers were really hers or down to being raised by a bunch of cultist nutjobs...
I got so excited hearing my hometown of Scunthorpe mentioned. I certainly see why the Desolation would be drawn to it
Lol I love how absolutely *lit* the entire comment section is
Agnes deserved better this is my daughter now I want to take her out of the series and protect her.
Also, the ritual getting ruined by a Coffee Shop Meet Cute and a little too much hope is adorable.
I'm dying, the lightless flame didn't know what to do so they collectively agreed to basically Daenerys Targaryen a woman and her unborn child.
“I need him to be okay; I just do.”
GOD.
So it sounds like Jon might now the plans now based on that ending-maybe
I love that the Cult of the lightless flame isn't really that much different in its history than most religions
jon oh Damn
You heard it here first folks, the cult in midsommar belonged to the lightless flame
My heart breaks for Agnes 💔 She never had a choice
Oooo sounds like Grubby Jesus opened his knowledge door a little too wide
Today on the Magnus Archives: Jon tries to figure out what's going on and has a seizure.
7:15 you ever just create a whole wildfire unnoticed
To not have a destiny must be nice.
I have so many feelings about Agnes
I can't 😭 "I need him to be ok" is their love language
I love this episode already
THIS MAN MADE BODY CANDLES
Every time this man compels, I think he is taking a shit
it won't play on any podcast app rn, I don't know what happened but so happy it's still on here!
Years of of planning ruined by a man in love 😂
Reminds me of Dr. Manhattan from Watchman movir
I always thought that Agnes died because that guy cut down that tree, am i mixing this up with something else
Well, I think we were led to assume that.
But im not sure now
I think it's the other way around: Agnes dying is why Lensik had the sudden urge to pull down the tree
The power of love, huh ...
Oh boy. I have a feeling that this episode is foreshadowing something.
You know I just had a funny thought. What if the "wachter's crown" was an actual crown and was being kept in Elias's safe. If this is true I'm going to commit arson.
Jon groaning never gets old but also never stops making me ever so slightly uncomfortable. I know it’s usually because he’s in pain or struggling physically with something but I can’t help but be sliiiiightly uncomfortable.
*as it keeps going * okay...maybe freaking out for another reason now. YIKES. DANG.
oh ouch... that thing he tried to do at the end probably wasn't fun
Jon: *starts groaning in pain*
My brain: Constipation?
I figure now is as good a time as any to post my notes on the fears. they're long as shit so i'll put them in the replies.
Basic formatting:
Fear name/ alternate fear name: description of fear any important notes on how it manifests.
Ritual: name of ritual, description, has it been stopped?
Relationships:
- compatible/incompatible with [fear name]. brief explanation if I felt like it.
Avatars:
- name. what they do, relationships, dead or alive. anyone who I think MIGHT be human (or human-adjacent) goes here.
Manifestations:
-Name, either official or made up by me. what they look like, what they do. anything that's monster-shaped goes here, as well as supernatural places.
Artifacts:
-name. what it is, what it does.
-Leitner: name. description.
Not sure how the format will translate to youtube, but we'll see! And please note-- I've been updating these as I read, so odds are they're a giant mess in a bunch of places. If information is innacurate or missing, let me know!
The buried/ The Choke/ Too-Close-I-Cannot-Breathe- claustrophobia/ being buried alive. I avoid these. You can’t die w/ them! Wet and creppy.
Ritual- The sunken sky. Could be disrupted by throwing someone void-touched down it at the right timing, like Jan Kilbride- Gertrude did it.
Relationships:
Incompatible with The Vast.
Avatars:
Stephan Brotchen: got possessed by dust.
Eberhart and Strauss: target debtors. They cause floods :3
Manifestations:
Bucoda Pit: ate a town whole
Artifacts:
Salesa has an artifact from them- a box that traps you inside if you touch it then sleep.
The Do Not Open coffin. The pit. Tied itself to Breekon and Hope.
Leitner: Dig. The Seven Lamps of Architecture (maybe spiral)?
The Vast- fear of anything incomprehensibly large, usually the sky or sea. Our own insignificance in the universe.
Relationships:
Compatible with The Lonely.
Compatible with The Dark.
Incompatible with The Buried. Too much space versus too little.
Was on the library attack team.
Avatars:
Mike Crew: Vertigo. Specializes in falling. Was chased by fractal man as a child. Dead.
Simon Fairchild: deleting the ground. His family is V rich
Manifestations:
The gray things that kill you with fall damage.
Artifacts:
Leitner: Ex Altiora.
The Lonely/ Forsaken- fear of isolation. Have a strong connection to fog.
Relationships:
Compatible with The Eye. The Lukas family is a major source of funds for the archives.
Compatible with The Vast. The Fairchild and Lukas families cooperated on the experiment on The Daedalus.
Compatible with The Dark. The lukas family and a shell company in Nye Alesund worked together on the Daedalus experiments.
Avatars:
The Lukas family: a family with a long history of serving The Lonely.
Peter Lukas: Captain of The Tundra. Works with Salesea. Working as interim head for the archives, trying to stop The Extinction from forming He sucks.
Conrad Lukas: in charge of the Daedalus projects. ‘There is nothing in space’.
Mordecai Lukas: knew Magnus personally. Operated in the 1800’s. Could make you be the only person on earth.
Evan Lukas: Fiancee of Naomi Herne. Dead- does emotional connection kill them?
Martin sort of.
Manifestations:
The audience: black-cloaked figures wearing greek choral masks. Hollow inside. Haunted Adonis in (108).
The End/ Terminus- Fear of death.
Ritual: has never attempted a ritual.
Relationships:
Avatars:
Death gang. If you beat them in a game of chance, you become death (and immortal).
Dr. Tellison: used the book to revive the dead and commit insurance fraud.
Guy who saw the future VIA dreams
Woman who stole fear
Justin Gough- Terminus. Died of lung poisoning, and does the same to others because of a deal he made. Deals in dreams. Dekker fucked his brain up, but he might have healed.
Oliver Banks: dream prophecy man. Used to go by antonio. 2 years before Gertrude, he started seeing the visions while awake. Point Nemo- the farthest place away from shit in the ocean. Where they found Cthulhu. The veins.
Artifacts:
Leitner: Book of the dead, unnamed. Describes its owner’s (reader’s?) death in horrid detail. Lets you speak to the dead (?)
The Extinction/ The Terrible Change/ The-Future-Without-Us- change. A catastrophic change that will wipe out what it means to be us and leave something else in its place.
Ritual: has never attempted a ritual, but is going to. Lukas is trying to stop it.
Relationships:
Avatars:
Garland Hillier. A member of the Millerites, a doomsday cult. Wrote the inheritors. ‘The door is the door’.
Manifestations:
The inheritors. Terrifying things that come after us. Kind of like pompeii corpses?
Artifacts:
I need Agnes X coffee shop boy art
Peter Lukas is attacking him at the end there???
I think either reaching for the knowledge was too difficult or the knowledge itself was overwhelming.
If you listen carefully, different powers have different sounding static.
@@mimkyodar hmm, I always thought Peter's was more like a sizzle, or rainfall. (he is boat guy after all)
That IS Lukas's audio queue, so I think it means that The Lonely is fighting Jon as he tries to SEE into it. At least that's how I interpreted that.
i did hear peter’s audio queue at the end, but i kinda envisioned it as jon knocking things off of his desk in pain
John is so in love awwwee but also sad sad sad pain
Basira's insistence on keeping her projects secret is making me think more and more that she's associated with The Dark
I think she's aligned with the hunt and the eye in balance, hence "The Detective"
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