That was a clear shoulder charge, regardless of wether he got the timing to attempt to wrap his arms wrong by accident. This would be penalised 99 times out of 100 and would probably have been penalised if it had occurred earlier in the game and wasn't on the last minute to decide the match, the ref succumb to the pressure of the home crowd
It would be penalised 99.9/100, yellow-carded 50/100 and probably red-carded 10/100 times. The ref got it completely wrong, it happens the problem is that World Rugby don't talk about controversial decisions enough after games.
Jordan Pargeter the other 2 told him what he was implying by the words he said, which is exactly what I thought, but then he kept telling them no, & was then confused himself almost
Mate I’m sorry but clearly you don’t listen to the pod that much- Goodey is a good bloke but very rarely says anything against England; the bloke has the worst case of rose-tinted goggles I’ve ever seen
Bottom line the attempt to wrap arms, if there was any, was minimal enough that this debate has echoed through both hemispheres over the last week. As a Professional and International rugby player you should be making it clearer. Personally I think Farrell knew what he'd done when he took his glance up from the ground, he appeared concerned enough to look over and check, why?
Edward Ford if it was borderline, why is almost everyone in agreement that it was illegal, a few no comments, & only a few if the most biased English fans saying it wasn't a pen
Shoulder charge without the wrap around arms and was a bit high around the neck area. Should have been a yellow or at least a penalty. The message to players is a high shoulder charge was OK. We shall see if this disastrous decision sticks during the week end when the All Blacks roll into Twicker.
Yes, as a South African, I agree that Pollard probaly would have missed the penalty, if Farrell were penalized. I, like most South Africans, blame the Springboks' loss, on their own dismal performance. But one can be almost certain, that the ref would have called a penalty, if the same thing happened at any other point in the match. If Farrell carried out the exact same shoulder-charge, at the death f the match, with the same scoreline....but with the match being played in front of a South African crowd, then the ref would dare not ignore the penalty. Farrell should have been penalized, and yellow-carded. I'm a big fan of huge hits...but big tackles can be made legally. Earlier in the match, Esterhuizen put in a huge hit on Farrell....and it was completely legal. Thus, making shoulder-charges illegal, doesn't mean that big hits are being done away with.
The springboks out played England in multiple aspects of the game but lacked the finishing and final finesse. I think there lack of hand speed let them down as they were mainly the better side. Neither team were at there best. I agree with you that you cant pin a teams lose on a last minute close call. I feel South Africa let themselves down as they had the potential to run in many more tries and to be honest England were let off the hook slightly. Both teams played well but both lacked an aspect to their game with South Africa's being the inability to finish and England's being breakdown work.
Neutral fan here who watched the game and I think there is a wider issue on the Farrell tackle situation which I don't think has been addressed by anyone. When I watch the tackle in real time to me it seems like an obvious penalty. When I watch it slowed down however it looks more like a legal tackle, there seems to an attempt for Farrell to wrap his arm. This is a big problem with TMO how reviews only look at the slowed down footage and it happens in many games. Often the slowed down footage can make something look a lot worse then it was or a lot better. A number of commentators have mentioned this, how challenges happen in real time so refs should be made to review them in real time. With Farrells tackle in realtime there doesnt really look like any attempt to wrap and his arm only flung around the back due to the impact of the collision. In slow mo however it looks like an attempt to wrap.
As annoying as he can be Austin Healey often makes this point and its a very good one. A tackle often looks worse in slomo but in this case it just looked outright different
It's pretty clear no one know if it's correct or not, not even the the experts. World rugby need to draw a line in the sand. This is high and that's that. Them keeping quiet brings the tackle technique into a huge vague area.
Nick Fury if you want to see 'tackling' you should have watched the rugby league tests between England and NZ last couple of weeks, I've put the word tackling in inverted commas as it looked more like assault to me than tackling !!
I think a yellow card is definitely debatable, however it's a penalty all day every day....except for that day. I think Rassie put it best, 'it's an extremely effective legal tackle which we should be employing all the time'.
As a Bok fan, the tackle should have at least been a pen. However the Boks lost the game with mistakes through out the game. Farrel the clone of Butch James lol
As an England fan, I agree that it should have at least been a penalty, but I was expecting a card. The boks didn't play well but they should have won to be honest, England were just as bad, if not worse.
Beauden Barrett was penalised 3 weeks ago against SA, and he had his lead arm clearly around the player. This tackle was a clear penalty, but not red card unless your SBW. #ABs
Sonny Bill Williams got red carded for a shoulder charge to the head with no attempt to wrap his arms on a player who was already being tackled. Completely different thing
Its a Sonny Bill Williams-style straight sin bin yellow card penalty. Its a Bismarck du Plessis-on-Dan Carter straight sin bin yellow card penalty. Wanker ref!!!
@@andygreen1677 Bismarck tackle on Dan Carter was 100% legit, but he got sin binned; thats my point you tosser! Owen Farrell got nothing. That ref is a legitimate wanker. You shouldn't fuck up on big game decisions like he did, plain and simple. Keyboard warrior? Eff off!
As a south african i think that should have been a pen no card but a pen. I was just shocked that the ref missed 2 other pens before the tackle jonny may was offside and he made a high tackle(his arms slipped up),but it was SAs poor performance that lost them the game too much handeling and lineout erros. I also think the boks kicked the ball away to often even Eng. Both teams can play alot better with ball in hand
If you put a hit like that on sexton or Barrett or another "star player" it's a straight penalty. Even Farrell stayed down acted injured looked up and saw nothing happened christ even he knew it was illegal
dude yes he was crouched pre contact, but his projected force was upwards not horizontal which is why this tackle(ahem shoulder charge) to the chin would be outlawed. Yc/wc/rc if it were a southern hemisphere game. moreover a tackle would necessitate a hold, something which was never attempted. games should be reffed minute 1 to 80 regardless of any pressure.
Don't get Jim's point here. Sure everyone loves to see big contacts and tackles but not when when there is a high risk of a player getting injured. Sure the counter argument would be there's risk of injury in every tackle....fair play. The issue with Farrels particular tackle was that he used his shoulder and shoulder only. Although in this occasion the contact wasn't to the head, the point is if that type of tackle goes wrong and contact is high the opposition player is put at serious risk of injury. Jim arguing he wants see more of this type of tackle is crazy. Take SBW's sending off vs the Lions, exactly the same style of tackle but it went wrong and Watson was lucky not to get injured.
By my estimation, there are three types of Rugby laws: 1) Laws that define the game 2) Laws that correct situations that would otherwise render the game unplayable 3) Laws that ensure participant safety. Human's are endlessly creative and we are really good at finding ways to skirt regulations both on and off the pitch. As a result, the laws to ensure player safety seem to become increasingly complex to account for new techniques that follow the letter of the law but not the spirit. This complexity means that referees have more influence on the outcome of a game then they should. Furthermore, it also seems to skew the game in favor of the offense who, in general, do not have to worry as much about player safety.
As an Irish man I am a big fan of Farrell. I think 10 is his best position full stop. I do think that hit warranted a yellow and a penalty under the latest laws of the game but I do agree the game is getting soft.
Jeez are we seriously going with the 'he didn't mean to do it' excuse..? Gimme a break...If Bakkies Botha or Schalk Burger did that it would have been red and a ban...
Farrell and sonney bill etc lead with the shoulder regular... that was a penalty against Farrell but the ref bottled it due to time scale of game . I agree that if that happend in 1st half ref would have given penalty...
The player changed direction at the last minute and ran into his shoulder meaning it was impossible to wrap the right arm. The left arm was forward ready to wrap. Borderline penalty, I'm not surprised they didn't give it
I thought this at the time.. the ref and tmo bottled it because eng were at home and it was at 80mins.. if that was 30 mins into game farrel would have been pinged by ref resulting in boks penalty...
He knew it was an illegal tackle. That rat, Owen Farrell, was laying on the floor knowing full-well what he did. World Rugby should be ashamed of these “refs”. Just praying for a cricket score against the Poms!
IF that shoulder tackle had happened 20 minutes before , no sweat ,penalty......but because it may have resulted in another result...THAT IS WHY IT IS A talking head situation ......
It was a penalty, not a red card. Wasn’t given because it was the 80th minute of the game. The tackle was illegal, the ref made a mistake, but that’s part of rugby
Heres my view, possible penalty yes, but I dont even think it requires a card. As much as I dislike Farrel there is an attempt to involve the arms. But he tries to hit his man so hard the arm is almost a few seconds behind the tackle. you sometimes see it when someone goes for a smash like that the collision is so big the other guy has bounced of before the arm engages, more than anything else he just gets his body position wrong. at that point its up to the ref as to weather Farrels done enough to call it a tackle. Besides which Its not a high shot so all those saying it should be a red are talking nonsense anyway.
This is where everything turns to crap, when the law is being dilated and there's total confusion. The law is there, why do we want to put our personals to it.
The tackling laws brings too much attention to irrelevant technique. I don't believe an arm being wrapped changes the result of two blokes colliding at the speed they did.
Is this guy thick? It’s not high! It’s no arms. He wants to see more of these tackles? Who follows this clown? Do you know how much damage you can do? Remember kids will try and copy what they see at international level.
Perhaps the dispute is more about whether or not it is a penalty rather than a red or yellow card.....more likely the referee did not award a penalty because of the timing and the fine balance of the game.....England at home with a narrow lead in the last minutes of the game, chcikcened out of the penalty or card decision because the penalty kick would have won S.A. the game.....as Andy was saying, it was a penalty all day even if the referee ignored the yellow or red
How can anyone in their right mind genuinely not say that should be a penalty... I understand we all want to see a physical game, and there sure have been a string of red cards that were in no way red cards. But for christ sake call a spade a space... Led with the shoulder, arms not wrapped, simple penalty.
OK. If you reckon the tackle is legitimate, all future games should be treated the same. So the Wallabies, All Blacks, and Springboks should not be blown for a tackle like that. BUT, in my opinion it is dangerous and we will see more serious injuries. Nevertheless make the rules clear globally and we will all play like that. Level the playing field.
Actually thinking of it now the stepping of the smallest oke on the field making Ferrell miss and us scoring the winning try in a world cup final burying them good and solid was revenge enough.
Absolutely 100 right, not using the arms, period, it is a penalty and a yellow card though. I want to see punching like once used to be....really !!, that is your statement?, the penalty was not given because the ref didn't have the balls !!, bad referee. anyhow Karma was alive vs All Blacks.
Farrel did what he had to do. Stop the attacker. Officials,even with the TMO, could'nt do what they had to do,penalise Farrel for not wrapping. Well done Farrel. But,they will have marked his card for the next time and he will be under a lot of scrutiny now from officials.
The problem with lowering the tackle height is that then players like SBW can get offloads away, teams like Ireland are less effective at mauling, and taller lads face an even more difficult tackle technique to accomplish. I personally like huge hits, they are more exciting to me than a try and always will be. Removing them from the game will be a crying shame.
Jim Hamilton is talking nonsense.. he is making a separate point, which I agree with, some of the interpretations of new laws are on a tangent toward football... but the Farrel tackle was a shoulder, not high and lesser shoulders have been penalised/yellow carded in the past. Totally agree that if it was a Safa or AB or not a game changing moment and the end of the game its getting penalised at the least.
Looking at his body language after the shoulder charge, there is no doubt that he knew what he did.
Pieter Van Staden he knew how contrivursual it is but in the replay his arm came round but because of the faucet he literally bounced off him
That was a clear shoulder charge, regardless of wether he got the timing to attempt to wrap his arms wrong by accident. This would be penalised 99 times out of 100 and would probably have been penalised if it had occurred earlier in the game and wasn't on the last minute to decide the match, the ref succumb to the pressure of the home crowd
Precisely .
It would be penalised 99.9/100, yellow-carded 50/100 and probably red-carded 10/100 times. The ref got it completely wrong, it happens the problem is that World Rugby don't talk about controversial decisions enough after games.
The guy on the right talks in riddles
Jordan Pargeter he’s wrong. End of.
Jordan Pargeter the other 2 told him what he was implying by the words he said, which is exactly what I thought, but then he kept telling them no, & was then confused himself almost
If that was in the 60th minute, penalty. But because it's the 80th minute and on home ground, he cracked under pressure
Rugby fans: "he didn't wrap his arms"
England fans: "yeah but he tried tho.."
Well the laws state you have to make an attempt to wrap, so...
He never tried
@@rubennasser6907 He tried. But failed, so penalty.
@@hammerhiem75 The law is an ATTEMPT to wrap so no penalty
England won. Get over yourself 😂
Red card, no but a penalty yes... coming from an all blacks fan...
He went to wrap arms the power of the tackle made him bounce of him
You're all missing the point, there are 3 un-opened cans of Guinness on the table and Goodey is drinking Coke, come on i can't take you seriously....
Goodey’s waiting for the family bucket to arrive from KFC before tucking in to the black stuff. Doesn’t like to drink on a half-full stomach
Love my man Goode with a level neutral head talking sense instead of that fake Scottish guy with about 5 brain cells contradicting himself
Ben Montgomerie I'm Scottish and I agree that guys is a knob
Mate I’m sorry but clearly you don’t listen to the pod that much- Goodey is a good bloke but very rarely says anything against England; the bloke has the worst case of rose-tinted goggles I’ve ever seen
Goode is the goat 🐐
This tackle technique is likely to have England knocked out of the world cup. It's high risk and obviously a penalty.
they don't have to worry, farrell gets away with fucking anything
the point here guys is consitancy , should be penalised whenever it happens to either side.
In my opinion..that tatooed opinion is absolute rubbish .
Bottom line the attempt to wrap arms, if there was any, was minimal enough that this debate has echoed through both hemispheres over the last week. As a Professional and International rugby player you should be making it clearer.
Personally I think Farrell knew what he'd done when he took his glance up from the ground, he appeared concerned enough to look over and check, why?
it was a borderline decision however you look at it thats why hes concerned
Edward Ford if it was borderline, why is almost everyone in agreement that it was illegal, a few no comments, & only a few if the most biased English fans saying it wasn't a pen
@@kurtsudheim825 if it wasn't borderline why didn't the ref give it if it was so clear...
@@edford3354 because he was playing to the home crowd. Like the spineless runt he is....simple
@@surfsnow1371 if you want to believe that sure
If a Springbok tackled like that it would have been a week ban
Shoulder charge without the wrap around arms and was a bit high around the neck area. Should have been a yellow or at least a penalty. The message to players is a high shoulder charge was OK. We shall see if this disastrous decision sticks during the week end when the All Blacks roll into Twicker.
Yes, as a South African, I agree that Pollard probaly would have missed the penalty, if Farrell were penalized. I, like most South Africans, blame the Springboks' loss, on their own dismal performance. But one can be almost certain, that the ref would have called a penalty, if the same thing happened at any other point in the match. If Farrell carried out the exact same shoulder-charge, at the death f the match, with the same scoreline....but with the match being played in front of a South African crowd, then the ref would dare not ignore the penalty. Farrell should have been penalized, and yellow-carded. I'm a big fan of huge hits...but big tackles can be made legally. Earlier in the match, Esterhuizen put in a huge hit on Farrell....and it was completely legal. Thus, making shoulder-charges illegal, doesn't mean that big hits are being done away with.
The springboks out played England in multiple aspects of the game but lacked the finishing and final finesse. I think there lack of hand speed let them down as they were mainly the better side. Neither team were at there best. I agree with you that you cant pin a teams lose on a last minute close call. I feel South Africa let themselves down as they had the potential to run in many more tries and to be honest England were let off the hook slightly. Both teams played well but both lacked an aspect to their game with South Africa's being the inability to finish and England's being breakdown work.
What is the guy on the right even saying? He wants to see more tackles like this but agrees its a penalty
Neutral fan here who watched the game and I think there is a wider issue on the Farrell tackle situation which I don't think has been addressed by anyone. When I watch the tackle in real time to me it seems like an obvious penalty. When I watch it slowed down however it looks more like a legal tackle, there seems to an attempt for Farrell to wrap his arm. This is a big problem with TMO how reviews only look at the slowed down footage and it happens in many games. Often the slowed down footage can make something look a lot worse then it was or a lot better. A number of commentators have mentioned this, how challenges happen in real time so refs should be made to review them in real time. With Farrells tackle in realtime there doesnt really look like any attempt to wrap and his arm only flung around the back due to the impact of the collision. In slow mo however it looks like an attempt to wrap.
So true, it goes the other way as well. Slow down any part of the game and you’re going to find penalties.
There was NO attempt to wrap. Arm flails due to impact. You have to LEAD with your wrap, not your shoulder.
As annoying as he can be Austin Healey often makes this point and its a very good one. A tackle often looks worse in slomo but in this case it just looked outright different
Worthy do not know where you saw that attempt to use his arms, should be closing your eyes to imagine that.
Right arm by his side during contact he makes no attempt to wrap, tackle was also high.
It wasn’t a high tackle!!!its a penalty and a yellow card for a shoulder charge and not using arms in the tackle!!!
Shoulder charge, penalty - pretty simple really.
Ref felt the pressure
Wheres the fair play?
He ain't wrong. If it was an islander who did that tackle it would've been a straight red.
It's pretty clear no one know if it's correct or not, not even the the experts. World rugby need to draw a line in the sand. This is high and that's that. Them keeping quiet brings the tackle technique into a huge vague area.
Nick Fury if you want to see 'tackling' you should have watched the rugby league tests between England and NZ last couple of weeks, I've put the word tackling in inverted commas as it looked more like assault to me than tackling !!
I think a yellow card is definitely debatable, however it's a penalty all day every day....except for that day. I think Rassie put it best, 'it's an extremely effective legal tackle which we should be employing all the time'.
As a Bok fan, the tackle should have at least been a pen. However the Boks lost the game with mistakes through out the game. Farrel the clone of Butch James lol
As an England fan, I agree that it should have at least been a penalty, but I was expecting a card. The boks didn't play well but they should have won to be honest, England were just as bad, if not worse.
Your point of argument about SA not playing well is irrelevant Bok fan. Farrel's shoulder charge should have resulted in him getting a yellow card .
Beauden Barrett was penalised 3 weeks ago against SA, and he had his lead arm clearly around the player.
This tackle was a clear penalty, but not red card unless your SBW.
#ABs
If that was Sonny-Bill he would have been red carded and missed 2 games.
no he wouldn’t, sonny bill has only ever been red carded for red card offences
@@Aerosonic10001 what you on about sonny did the exact same thing and got red carded
Sonny Bill Williams got red carded for a shoulder charge to the head with no attempt to wrap his arms on a player who was already being tackled. Completely different thing
doesn't matter if it was the face or the stomach it's still an illegal tackle nigga.
@@Jordan-mq4wj lol you lost this argument 😂
Anyone remember the tackle Bismarck did on Dan Carter? Yellow card and ultimately Sent off. Plenty inconsistency in these situations
This is a stupid debate. Illegal tackle, no matter how you look at it, should have been a yellow, move one.
Anyone know where I can see the tackle?
RUclips
Its a Sonny Bill Williams-style straight sin bin yellow card penalty. Its a Bismarck du Plessis-on-Dan Carter straight sin bin yellow card penalty. Wanker ref!!!
at least with Du Plessis the decision was rescinded
Farell needs to be punish by the IRB or at least give an official statement on the matter
@@andygreen1677 Bismarck tackle on Dan Carter was 100% legit, but he got sin binned; thats my point you tosser! Owen Farrell got nothing. That ref is a legitimate wanker. You shouldn't fuck up on big game decisions like he did, plain and simple. Keyboard warrior? Eff off!
As a south african i think that should have been a pen no card but a pen. I was just shocked that the ref missed 2 other pens before the tackle jonny may was offside and he made a high tackle(his arms slipped up),but it was SAs poor performance that lost them the game too much handeling and lineout erros. I also think the boks kicked the ball away to often even Eng. Both teams can play alot better with ball in hand
Bismark on Carter was a send off
Johnny May should have been pemalised for being offside at the end anyway
If you put a hit like that on sexton or Barrett or another "star player" it's a straight penalty. Even Farrell stayed down acted injured looked up and saw nothing happened christ even he knew it was illegal
dude yes he was crouched pre contact, but his projected force was upwards not horizontal which is why this tackle(ahem shoulder charge) to the chin would be outlawed. Yc/wc/rc if it were a southern hemisphere game. moreover a tackle would necessitate a hold, something which was never attempted. games should be reffed minute 1 to 80 regardless of any pressure.
It IS definitely a penalty. If you think no,,learn the laws!!!!
Farrel was guity
We are even now guys... You lost your match against NZ. Justice ruled at the end of the day👍🏽
Don't get Jim's point here. Sure everyone loves to see big contacts and tackles but not when when there is a high risk of a player getting injured. Sure the counter argument would be there's risk of injury in every tackle....fair play. The issue with Farrels particular tackle was that he used his shoulder and shoulder only. Although in this occasion the contact wasn't to the head, the point is if that type of tackle goes wrong and contact is high the opposition player is put at serious risk of injury. Jim arguing he wants see more of this type of tackle is crazy. Take SBW's sending off vs the Lions, exactly the same style of tackle but it went wrong and Watson was lucky not to get injured.
Jamie Boyd Jim made a point? Must have missed it, he's a child who's inane opinions I chose to ignore.
@@staxter6 Haha, I maybe should have chosen a better wording.
Ref just wanted to make it out of the stadium in one piece. 'Home advantage' I think it's called.
By my estimation, there are three types of Rugby laws: 1) Laws that define the game 2) Laws that correct situations that would otherwise render the game unplayable 3) Laws that ensure participant safety. Human's are endlessly creative and we are really good at finding ways to skirt regulations both on and off the pitch. As a result, the laws to ensure player safety seem to become increasingly complex to account for new techniques that follow the letter of the law but not the spirit. This complexity means that referees have more influence on the outcome of a game then they should. Furthermore, it also seems to skew the game in favor of the offense who, in general, do not have to worry as much about player safety.
As an Irish man I am a big fan of Farrell. I think 10 is his best position full stop. I do think that hit warranted a yellow and a penalty under the latest laws of the game but I do agree the game is getting soft.
Jeez are we seriously going with the 'he didn't mean to do it' excuse..? Gimme a break...If Bakkies Botha or Schalk Burger did that it would have been red and a ban...
Farrell and sonney bill etc lead with the shoulder regular... that was a penalty against Farrell but the ref bottled it due to time scale of game . I agree that if that happend in 1st half ref would have given penalty...
I'm with Goode here
It's a bloody penalty Angus bottled it
I think it should be a penalty
The referee bottled it.
Blah blah blah . Tatoo his mouth shut ...... tell him this the ref bottled it and BLAH BLAH BLAH began again .
That was a shoulder charge
Farrell was fantastic in spotting and making the tackle.. But he did NOT even attempt to raise his arm. Hes done this a few times..
It is not a red card just a penalty
I am an England fan. It was a definite penalty and a yellow card for a shoulder charge. The ref was wrong.
You got that right if it was a Pacific player you will see a red card 😠😠😠
The guy just bounced off if he was ready the arms could have been wrapped around 🤦🏼♂️😂
The player changed direction at the last minute and ran into his shoulder meaning it was impossible to wrap the right arm. The left arm was forward ready to wrap. Borderline penalty, I'm not surprised they didn't give it
I thought this at the time.. the ref and tmo bottled it because eng were at home and it was at 80mins.. if that was 30 mins into game farrel would have been pinged by ref resulting in boks penalty...
Get heated?? It was a rational, reasonable discussion about the tackle laws
He knew it was an illegal tackle. That rat, Owen Farrell, was laying on the floor knowing full-well what he did. World Rugby should be ashamed of these “refs”. Just praying for a cricket score against the Poms!
Also, is the guy on the right a rugby fan? He seems clueless.
If that was Bakkies Botha he would have been exiled to Pluto.
2:41 we saw the same hit from tonga against wales last year. Wanna know what the call was? Play on
3 cans of Guinness on the table and he's drinking the coke 🤔
Untacklible ,phucking priceless, still no sure if its a word, ya nutter Goodey
3:26 Funny hearing a posh lad trying to do a Lancashire accent
@2:38 Tell me why i have been saying this so years and he just confirmed my suspicions.
these guys drink way too much guinness
NOT A SHOULDER CHARGE - "LEAGUE SHOULDER" NONSENSE
Bismarck tackle on Dan Carter ???
Literally couldn't agree any more with him
IF that shoulder tackle had happened 20 minutes before , no sweat ,penalty......but because it may have resulted in another result...THAT IS WHY IT IS A talking head situation ......
Fuck of a tackle though!
That was a yellow and a penalty
A south African win
Sick video.
Bizmark Du Plessis got a red card for his hit on Dan Carter. Look it up and compare. Double standards!
it was a yellow mate (+another yellow later in the match for leading with elbow)
It was a penalty, not a red card. Wasn’t given because it was the 80th minute of the game. The tackle was illegal, the ref made a mistake, but that’s part of rugby
Heres my view, possible penalty yes, but I dont even think it requires a card. As much as I dislike Farrel there is an attempt to involve the arms. But he tries to hit his man so hard the arm is almost a few seconds behind the tackle. you sometimes see it when someone goes for a smash like that the collision is so big the other guy has bounced of before the arm engages, more than anything else he just gets his body position wrong. at that point its up to the ref as to weather Farrels done enough to call it a tackle. Besides which Its not a high shot so all those saying it should be a red are talking nonsense anyway.
This is where everything turns to crap, when the law is being dilated and there's total confusion. The law is there, why do we want to put our personals to it.
2:37 FACTS
Imagine how the English supporters felt today when they reversed the try decision haha.
The tackling laws brings too much attention to irrelevant technique. I don't believe an arm being wrapped changes the result of two blokes colliding at the speed they did.
If the teams were in reversed positions would the ref still stick by his decision, South-Africa should be making a formal
Is this guy thick? It’s not high! It’s no arms. He wants to see more of these tackles? Who follows this clown? Do you know how much damage you can do? Remember kids will try and copy what they see at international level.
Thats fine. Over turn this result and then give England the 2007 world cup when Mark cueto scored a try
So for the fear of being booed, he bottled the decision? It’s rugby not football no ones gonna run on the field and try to get you!
sponsored by guinness, drank coke :')
Perhaps the dispute is more about whether or not it is a penalty rather than a red or yellow card.....more likely the referee did not award a penalty because of the timing and the fine balance of the game.....England at home with a narrow lead in the last minutes of the game, chcikcened out of the penalty or card decision because the penalty kick would have won S.A. the game.....as Andy was saying, it was a penalty all day even if the referee ignored the yellow or red
How can anyone in their right mind genuinely not say that should be a penalty... I understand we all want to see a physical game, and there sure have been a string of red cards that were in no way red cards. But for christ sake call a spade a space... Led with the shoulder, arms not wrapped, simple penalty.
Ted hill- remember the name video??🤷♂️
OK. If you reckon the tackle is legitimate, all future games should be treated the same. So the Wallabies, All Blacks, and Springboks should not be blown for a tackle like that. BUT, in my opinion it is dangerous and we will see more serious injuries. Nevertheless make the rules clear globally and we will all play like that. Level the playing field.
Actually thinking of it now the stepping of the smallest oke on the field making Ferrell miss and us scoring the winning try in a world cup final burying them good and solid was revenge enough.
Absolutely 100 right, not using the arms, period, it is a penalty and a yellow card though. I want to see punching like once used to be....really !!, that is your statement?, the penalty was not given because the ref didn't have the balls !!, bad referee. anyhow Karma was alive vs All Blacks.
SBW would've been given a yellow for this tackle lol.
fuck sake im gonna start playing league
Farrel did what he had to do. Stop the attacker. Officials,even with the TMO, could'nt do what they had to do,penalise Farrel for not wrapping. Well done Farrel. But,they will have marked his card for the next time and he will be under a lot of scrutiny now from officials.
The problem with lowering the tackle height is that then players like SBW can get offloads away, teams like Ireland are less effective at mauling, and taller lads face an even more difficult tackle technique to accomplish. I personally like huge hits, they are more exciting to me than a try and always will be. Removing them from the game will be a crying shame.
Jim Hamilton is talking nonsense.. he is making a separate point, which I agree with, some of the interpretations of new laws are on a tangent toward football... but the Farrel tackle was a shoulder, not high and lesser shoulders have been penalised/yellow carded in the past. Totally agree that if it was a Safa or AB or not a game changing moment and the end of the game its getting penalised at the least.
What a waste of Guinness
10:16: Lol !!
That guy on the left sounds like a puppet... ....... ....
Were in a weird era where this was an amazing hit a couple months ago.