How do Singaporeans Feel about the Gay Sex Ban? [Street Interview] | ASIAN BOSS
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- As a socially conservative country, Singapore has numerous restrictions on the rights of the same-sex couples, from not being able to adopt children to being unable to get married. But one legal statute has been causing quite a stir recently. Singapore’s top court is now deliberating a challenge to overturn Article 377A, which prohibits sexual activity between consenting gay men, but allows sexual activity between lesbian women. And the challenge has once again ignited discussions on the place of the LGBT community in Singapore. But how do ordinary Singaporeans feel about this legal challenge, and on same-sex relationships in general? We hit the streets to find out more.
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I burst out laughing when that guy said he wasn't against gay sex, he was against PREMARITAL gay sex. I mean, really, I never thought I'd hear such a thing.
he is only saying that because he can't get laid.
Gays can't get legally married so such a position is comically absurd. Listen up gays, sit on your hands most of your adult life until same sex marriage is legalized when you're too old to even get an erection anymore.
So it meand hes in favor of same sex marriage
That's very much a religious argument that while it sounds a bit more enlightened than "no marriage for gays", it ends up in the same place. Since there IS no right to marriage for gays thereby no sex. This was and is an ingrained message from the church (Christian in my case). No sex before marriage and definitely no being gay! Just get over it and be straight! Ugggh...
@@qwerty-vp1sb Yes but he isn't in favour of any sex before marriage,that's probably his religion beilefs,it's his own choice through and the whole of Singapore shouldn't have that restriction just because Christians think that way we have freedom of religion we should be able to have sex whenever we want as long as it's 2 consenting adults.
"Singapore has many restrictions on the rights of same-sex couples, .... not beeing able to get married.."
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" I agree, gay men can't have sexual intercourse, they need to get married first"
brah
that actually cracked me up. totally out of touch
Maxigc what do you mean? Curious
@Lauren C yeah what abput Ireland?? Y'all seem to think that Europe is all accepting ??
@Lauren C for the US it happened in 2015, for Australia 2017. So ??
Same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland will be legally recognised by 13 January 2020.
the mere fact that a lot of straight men are still against gay men loving each other but act supportive when lesbians do it (primarily as a platform of their own arousal) is just so extremely pathetic
Ria Rio stfu that don’t even make sense 😂 if you wanna have sex go for it who the f cares 🤩👏 I stan any kind of sex 🤪
Ria Rio some lesbians has anal sex and so does some straight people. Also not all gay men has anal sex.
It’s a specific negative view of sex between two men.
There is a negative view of sex between women, but it is also affected by a long history of ignorance of women’s enjoyment of sex and general sexuality that affects that view which would be way too long for me to explain in a RUclips comment.
Ria Rio A lot of straight men love anal though? 🧐🙄
We should make them watch boku no pico
It’s pure misogyny
I’m really quite happy as a singaporean that Asian boss is covering Singapore a lot more recently! Glad to know that it’s not just China, Japan and Korea
Yes, SG is not covered enough. I know that it is a small country, but very advanced.
Really?? The middle east is not covered at all, not even once. They shouldn't name their channel east asian boss
They have not done 1 single interview in Sri Lanka...
It's clear they should have done an interview after the terrorist attack in 2019. That would have been a good topic...
yea lol finally singapore in asian boss
i think it should be taken into account that they can only work on topics of a certain country and do interviews if they have a team there. maybe that's the reason why there are no videos of certain countries and not because they don't want to make them, but honestly i don't know.
I like how the woman in the red shirt with flowers expressed her opinions, very well spoken.
She work for the government for sure
Adios Baby a teacher or professor perhaps?
she spoke well, although she was wrong about confucianism being the sole or root cause of the heteronormative ethos of the country. Abrahamic religions have a massive influence as well, but challenging religious beliefs is a no-go in Singapore
she is a bit well versed compare to the other people being interviewed
She definitely seemed well educated on the subject. Maybe even more so than the interviewer 😂
I guess singapore doesnt mind scissoring but no sword fighting.
yurihakana true haha
Straight men get turned on when they watch scissoring. Especially if the participants have killer legs in nylons.
@Pichkalu Pappita That guy is clearly trolling, but good job explaining in a child friendly way 😂
😂😂
LMAOOOO
me: I need to finish my papers by tonight-
youtube: how do Singaporeans feel about the gay sex ban?
me:......maybe after this video.
I should actually be working on homework but this is better
**after the video**
Me : oh another nice video
@@kwangmyongsong4887
Relatable
did you finish your homework ?now
How exactly is this law gonna stop gay guys from doing the hokie pokie?
Hero Of Justice as in if ur caught ur screwed
Unless they install cameras in everyone's homes
@@bruh7130 arent you getting screwed either way?
Hero Of Justice it won’t, it’s silly lol
It ban gay prostitution
Stay out of the personal affairs of two consenting adults. What the hell is wrong with people?
Their god says gay people will go to hell because being gay is a sin, but they don't want gay people to go to hell, so clearly the solution is to get gay people to stop being sinners, so why legalise sinning? At least, that's what I believe their logic is
Their god says gay people will go to hell because being gay is a sin, but they don't want gay people to go to hell, so clearly the solution is to get gay people to stop being sinners, so why legalise sinning? At least, that's what I believe their logic is
Arjun Dev But their god also says that lying to your parents, disrespecting your mothers, and cheating will send you to hell, but they’re not illegal?
@@lainpilled39 well my shirt has mixed fabrics so im going to hell anyways
@@jvo1464 the only thing that erodes society is stagnation, a society that doesn't adapt to cultural changes is doomed.
I can just see the next protest sign: "SinGAYpore"
YS LMAO, they would actually do that
That's three legit words mashed into one.
Serpent Sage true LOL
@LagiNaLangAko23 weLL dUh 😜
Protesting is illegal in Singapore.
_"but if you see a guy holding hands with another guy, it seems a bit weird."_
Me ( _an Indian guy_ ) : *really? WTF? you're gonna classify that as gay?*
Before 2000 there were still a lot Chinese men holding hands on the streets. But right now, there are less. The western culture changed our tradition. I still can see men holding hands in Turkey, etc.
We ( me and my male friends) still hold hands, hug each other but we definitely aren't gay
depressed soul In a lot of Asian countries men holding hands are considered normal before. But according to western view, men holding hands are considered gay. So in China, men hardly hold hands now, but women still hold hands in public. Western values are destroying our traditions little by little.
Duan Lei 中国男的什么时候牵手👫当正常了🌚🌚
gorgeous G 你太年轻了
"you may not be able to understand them but you can still respect them."
couldn't have said it better myself^^
great Interviews as usual.
@@ruiningsong9691 Yes we have to, it's not our duty to disrespect them and it won't help anything to do so
@@GiustinoColameo The claim - "you may not be able to understand them but you can still respect them" is based on an implicit premise, which is that homosexuality should be lawful and ethical. So you support your conclusion using a premise that is exactly what we argue about; that seems to be a fallacy.
@@ruiningsong9691 Talk about fallacies? You compared criminals to gay people. Wake up your idea, eh?
NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association - this is a very dangerous organisation that lobbies the removal of consent age so that man can freely have sex with young boyys with no legal repercussions, that why 377A must stay to protect children especially those that comes from poor social economic background whom these man likes to prey on.
“they must get married first” -> the law prohibits exactly that 🤦🏽♀️
Yes, but maybe that's exactly his point
That just shows how ignorant he is tho
MsJGingerbread what point ? Singapore bans same sex marriage so how in the hell are u gg to get married first ?
well, then you know exactly what he wants to put across
@@kayreagan it means he believes that they have to get past that hurdle first rather than just doing it regardless of it being prohibited just because they wont get arrested since its not enforced
Older Singaporean Woman:
[calling cops]
“Hello, officer! There are two gay men having sexual inter courses next door!”
Cops: “Stay calm ma’am! We’re on our way!”
🚨🚓💨
It’s funny because it’s true. The case that involved decriminalizing gay sex in the US literally involved cops busting in the bedroom door to two gays having sex. Lawrence v Texas.
Ayoooo ! Why you call popo Auntieee ????
Hahahah exactly how would they know if two people gunmen are having sex? By spying? Invasion of privacy?
Or the cops could be rushing over to join in the fun!
@@kevinpicauli271 that only happens in gay pornos lmao
That fellow who said gay men can have sex only when married. Lmao sure guve us gay marriage... all the better lol
Whuzzin Gamont it’s to prevent infidelity and to prevent the spread of hiv so a couple have to be faithful with each other and avoid random sex
It means that he is not against same sex marriage only premarital sex.
His argument really just says he doesn’t care and, if anything, would rather have nothing change. He’s not saying yes to repealing the law and he’s not even saying he supports gay marriage. The only thing he realistically admits to is condemning gay sex outside of a marriage. Not saying he’s a bad person, but it’s a lazy, backwards defense of the existing law.
But it exposes the fact that gays don't really want "gay marriage". Most just want to be promiscuous and avoid actual adult responsibility (like marriage and a family)
@@genericdeveloper3966 that is not a fact and some people do want to get married, and have families with their partners. Dont overgeneralize
But lesbians are allowed?? And who made that law? Men? Straight men???😂 😂 So stupid la. Memers, let's do our job 😂
By the way, this law was made by the British and imposed on all of their colonies so blame the brits.
@@82892869hi And the fact that some straight males decide to pull this old, antiquated colonial law out of their ass in 20-bloody-19 says alot.
Verrill But British doesn't govern Singapore anymore don't they? So it's the Singaporean politicians slash ministers lesbians-loving fault. The citizens want a change
Z. Basically straight hypocrite old farts that love GAY WOMEN instead of gay men
@@82892869hi India is more conversative and even they remove 377. Also, singapore is no longer governed by the birtish. So, why isnt singapore moving on with time?
There is a difference between conservative wisdom and conservative stupidity.
there is no conservative wisdom
@@zaidkhan6296 Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
A penny in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I'd consider these pretty conservative opinions. Alternatively here are some "liberal" versions of those opinions (in reality they're just expanded versions of the implicit caveats in the prior advice).
Keep track of eggs even before they hatch, develop a long term strategy based on prior hatching statistics.
If you determine the risk of the bush is lower than your threshold and the chance of success is sufficiently high, go ahead and check the bush.
I wouldn't consider myself a conservative politically but I don't see why "sticking with what works" or "not rocking the boat" couldn't occasionally lead to positive outcomes
and this is when I realized I was dumb---
@Talûn-karkû The Warchief true, some liberals use their race, gender, or sexual orientation to get attention. But any liberal who supports the lgbtq community, oppressed races, and gender expression without jumping to conclusions or seeking extra attention is a liberal I support, one who also agrees that communism can be dangerous for society
Barry Hough hi , need to consider social problems and influence in public especially kids mind will change or follow those trend..hope will not mess in society . But I think God not support lgbt.
"I agree with that to a certain extent..."
History Students:
Hwaitingポテト sources A and B agree with the statement whereas source C disagrees
@@crabosity source D is not really reliable since it was published by.....
I’m late but the above comments made me crack up as I started learning history this year
Yes true.
I'm sorry but those two guys who say they must be married to have sex just made me cringe
He tried to be Conservative but failed badly
@@jacer5677 the best sex there is
@@sola_a you mean "can't" :p
@@mlzovozlm thanks 😅
Maybe he means they should legalize gay marriage first
Woman in the red shirt with flowers well spoken, it like she knew the answer to the question ahead of time
i want a time when religion is everyone's private thing and is not having any influence on laws and society.
Not for me
@@UnitedNationsSecretariat
You stupid
Just go to a western country if you are gay.
I think Hinduism is the only religion in the world which accepts same sex relationships.. Even its ancient sacred books & mythologies has many descriptions about same sex relationships...They say its natural behaviour..As its ones personal choice..!
If you ever go to India... you'll find their ancient temples has many carvings of all type of relationships normal + homosexual statues....It really baffled me! I think thats the reason India repealed colonial british law 377A last year..!
9hoonjin racist
Lady in red flowery blouse succinctly made several salient points. Very knowledgeable, well delivered
It’s amazing how intelligent and aware of their laws the Singaporeans are, whereas interviews in the US are filled with a bunch of people scratching their heads and going “I didn’t know that was a thing?”
To be fair, the 377a are in a lot of headlines. Some laws of the USA are the same as in Sg and you will get the same reaction with the scratching on the head. It's just that the 377a made a lot of news, especially after India repealing it.
country is too big with many states that have significant difference in law for each region so big media only cover the controversial one and treated like it was approved everywhere where in reality 90% don't care or agree
But you know, that not knowing the law in Singapore, can make your life reaaaalllly brutal. And I mean, r e a l l y brutal
@@Oli-lk1gp yea it was a very big thing
to those 2 boys...
totally have a whole lot more to learn in life..
Which two boys are you referring to?
That woman made such a good point about the double standard most men have when it comes to gay men and lesbians. But let's be real. Even in less socially conservative countries you'd still find men that hold this double standard.
Because people associate homosexuality in men as feminine. And conflate sexuality, gender expression and gender identity. Masculinity above all else. I blame parents and society for introducing stereotypes from a very young age.
@@Noa...... Yes, masculinity is SO evil
@@NovaLyceum Okay, you are not serious. Thanks for sharing.
@@Noa...... No, thank you lmao
Double standards exist for women. They will always be seen as victims of domestic violence and never as perpetrators even though they can be vicious too.
Its random but singaporean people have really unique accent, it sounds like a mix of chinese accent and british accent with a little hint of american accent
That actually applies to Malaysian Chinese people also.
we sound like that when we have to speak proper english. otherwise, we usually just speak in singlish amongst singaporeans.
@Jon Nathan As a Malaysian I speak English in that accent with my family. If it's other people, my accent turns American 😂😂
@@snickbiordking5748 same HAHAH it’s like we have a professional way of speaking and a casual way of speaking
Yes nice.
2:38 She knew the penal code and everything wtf lol
Many people know that particular excerpt of the penal code. That's how we refer to it. Not the gay sex ban.
She just knew Code 377A, that’s not everything lol.
law student
In Singapore almost everyone knows it's Code 377A because it's quite contentious and gets talked about quite a lot these days, but of course people will be shy to directly mention s*x
Penal... 😂
Bruh that kid who said i agree to a certain extent this isnt social studies stop answering a question like its social studies and you arent answering to the question so u get an F
Its not a black and white topic where you can answer yes or no
@@nealeellis4455 im just saying dont say u agree to a certain extent because it sounds terrible during a real life interview and why do u even say that u agree when he commented that he is in agreement that there should not be a gay sex ban only after marriage it does not make sense at all.
I don't expect the guy's voice at 4:00 ! Wow
He sounds british
lmfao sounds so forced to me
probably an exchange student. that bit was filmed in smu
That's a typical Hongkong accent.
@@azuchan6079 make sense. Hong Kong was colonised by the British for 156 years.
Hmm, this must be a British era introduction. In India our law for the same is apparently section 377.
Debopam Bose a large majority of homophobic laws have come from colonialism
Yes, it was. And a piece of historical fact - the reason it targets gay men and not lesbians is because Queen Victoria of England did not believe that lesbianism existed.
Victoria was so dumb. If she were alive today she would get roasted by Ellen DeGeneres.
@Tobby Isiba yes.
Same for a lot of countries. Good example is Uganda. Before Britain: no anti-gay laws. Britain brought the same penal code in and that county now went so far that they almost passed a bill that would put gay people to death less than 10 years ago. It’s ironic how liberal Britain is now, but its colonial legacy still haunts so much of the world.
The demographic of the interviewees were all quite similar. Would certainly have been more interesting if greater variety of people were interviewed.
They probably declined being interviewed
they seem to have mostly filmed near smu, one of their big universities, hence the pro-lgbt views
Yeah get those old conservative fellows in there!
"You may not really understand them, but just respect them"
If different religions can coexist in Singapore relatively peacefully, I hope that the LGBT can be respected the same
"I would be excited to see what my grandparents would react"🤣🤣
you know doggone well what he meant.
He was talking about himself if he comes out to his family
I love the way everyone speaks, they sound like the perfect combination of British English and American English
No surprise what with their British colonial past and the infiltration of American culture.
It’s more of a mix of British , Indian, and Malay accents.
@@zalaegerszeg9527 haha yea it is
So much respect for all the interviewees.. they are all so intelligent people with open mind.
Hearing the dude with the deep London accent was surprising.
Edd T why?
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow because i expected everyone in this video to be native Singaporean due to the title of the video.
@@EddTally depending where they are educated there are plenty of native singaporeans that speak fluent English with British accents.
A lot of Brits move to Singapore for work and Schooling. Makes sense.
That lady in the black dress and big earrings is quite cool. 😁
@Shank Adams Not really, but I won't kick her out of bed either.
I like her attitude.
That's a dude
Lady? Guess again. 😉
@@cooliipie well he's a hot dude.
@@_anshin_anshin
That's gay
It’s 10pm. I have an exam tomorrow.
_sees title_
_starts procrastinating_
Who tf has exam in November??? And it's almost December lmao
@@jonnathan1869 my finals are the first and second week of December and I'm from northwest
Jon Nathan my exam phase just started and it basically lasts till May when I have my A-Levels. 1-2 exams every week except on holidays..
I live in Germany
You interviewed an older guy, then didn’t include him at all in the rest of the questions... We don’t even get to hear the conversative side of the story so Imma say this isnt v insightful. I mean, all the young ppl alr resonate with whats being said cos of Pink Dot, social media...
exactly right? pretty biased tho
@@emiliaoim1353 yeah i get ur point. but it also depends on the location u choose. would have been nice for them to purposely seek out different opinions.
@Chicoski Cola they could hv just interview more ppl to present two point of view of the issues. but nah, let just stop here
Chicoski Cola- If he left they wouldn’t have included him in the interview at all.
What's pink dot
I feel like Singapore is in the opposite position of South Africa in this regard. In general the laws of South Africa are more liberal than the general public opinion on this subject, while in Singapore, being gay is a lot more socially accepted, but not legally accepted
Great point!
No wonder Huanwu and his husband got married over there.
id love to find out more about that!
It is not too socially accepted, they only say nice and vaguely supportive things but still believe gay people should not be gay. To give a clearer example, when i asked a Christian friend if they thought evolution was a thing, he said "it can be a way by which god created life" but when forced into a yes or no by someone else he said no (yes there is a lot of creationism here). So even when people sound almost supportive of gay rights here they dont really want gay rights just gay people to be treated nicely until theyre not gay anymore.
It is not too socially accepted, they only say nice and vaguely supportive things but still believe gay people should not be gay. To give a clearer example, when i asked a Christian friend if they thought evolution was a thing, he said "it can be a way by which god created life" but when forced into a yes or no by someone else he said no (yes there is a lot of creationism here). So even when people sound almost supportive of gay rights here they dont really want gay rights just gay people to be treated nicely until theyre not gay anymore.
20yrs ago most of the singaporeans i met while in australia were flaming gay, i just figured singapore had lots of gay ppl. 🤷♂️
Maybe they went to Australia so they could be themselves? Either on vacation or emigrated? I would definitely go to a less conservative place if I was going to be arrested for having sex!
That is why they came to Australia in the first place, to camp around in public !
sneakapikachu They are in Australia because Singapore doesnt accept their kind. Many of the gays have emigrated to more civilized Western countries like US/Canada and Australia duh.
Welcome to come to Australia
@@roberthardy5171 Can I stay with you ?
The girl in wearing flannel really covered some relevant points ..shows that she is well aware of the world around her 👍👍
"We are still seen as this Confucius ideal society, which means that we are very afraid of changing the status quo."
Yeah but even Taiwan has made gay *marriage* legal. If they can do it, I don't see why Singapore can't even remove a penal code. I'm not sure if it's because of Confucianism.
Lala They made gay marriage legal only expecting to show the world that they are different from China mainland. They made great efforts to separate themselves from China.
@@julioduan7130 this one is right
@@julioduan7130 Haha, right, the only way that mainland can do is also legallize gay marriage, that tells Taiwan "we are same."
I mean, I think she or someone else also said that the government said they were not going to act on it, so why all the fuss and just remove the thing eh?
It's a play of politics. It didn't go through decomcratic voting as many of the public were furious when the law passed without the consent of the people as a whole.
Wow and to think South Africa legalised gay marriage on the 30th of November 2006... I'll never take advantage of my country's rights again
If the people getting interviewed are a good representation of Singaporeans then I am very much impressed with their knowledge and eloquence. Americans (on average) are clueless about policy and forming political opinions- although it is changing.
I'd say young people are significantly more open minded and politically aware. They at least want to talk about politics/social issues/have an opinion, while frankly a lot of the older generation (no surprises, mostly Boomers) have "conservative" mindsets that have been dictated to them over years of the same conservative political party building/maintaining the government after the British left post WW2.
The older generation want to keep the status quo because they've been frightened into thinking "change" = risk of society/"everything Singapore has built" imploding. A lot of them are also very (fundamentally) religious because your religion is often seen as a sign of your class/connection to your cultural roots.
For example there are a lot of upper middle class Chinese Christians who are essentially the Bible Belt White Conservatives of Singapore. There's a history of Western missionary churches there. So they've been privileged by the system, why upset the status quo and risk 'total moral catastrophe'?
Heyo singaporean here!
Actually 377A was set up back then in 1938 to tackle the issue of public male prostitution (which also involved male homosexual activity) which were common during those times!
Seth H does that mean heterosexual prostitution was not a problem then? I’m guessing sex between a male and female wasn’t banned?
@@roberthardy5171 not only is it not ban prostitution is legal in sg
And to stop the heterosexual prostitution they banned heterosexual sex? Guess not!
@@roberthardy5171 The British and their weird laws I guess?
Soma. England decriminalised gay sex 52 years ago buddy. Maybe Singapore can try to keep up?
I never thought Singapore was this conservative, I always believed it was one of the most open minded countries in Asia. This law is so outrageous. When I see this kind of things I lose more faith in society. It seems like it's never gonna change. I feel like there will always some people taking control over other people's lives.
the 2 guys in the beginning omg make it stop. are you serious???
and lady in the maroon is so well spoken, we need more educated people like her
Singapore: Yuri is okay, but yaoi is not
both yaoi and yuri is disgusting
@@BananaWonYoo ok boomer
@@xiiaohao3871 if you want to reduce gay people to sexualized and fetishized anime then go ahead
🤣🤣😂m a yaoi girl ..
Lesbian sex is hardcore like hell yeah! I don't mind lesbian sex.
As a Singaporean that received 2 years of general studies education (general paper lah lol), my teacher implied/taught/hinted to us that sometimes such changes are not readily available not because the government themselves are against it, but because there is a silent majority. as the government, it would make sense to want to remain in power and not lose it to their rivals. Keeping this penal code will not really change much, but at least for the silent majority, it signals to them that the government is taking a stance against the LGBT community of some sort.
id also like to point out that having this penal code may not mean 2 men cannot openly show affection for one another, they just cannot be *caught* having sexual intercourse. the few ways to get caught is:
a) do it in public
b) one of them reports it (man what a snitch)
c) there's a peeping tom that witnessed it (mmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)
As a Singaporean, i would like it if it is repealed. I'm not saying i support whatever the government is choosing to do. I do agree with majority of the well-spoken opinions in this video. If this penal code is indeed repealed, it may be quite sudden for a country that is still very much conservative across the board. But, maybe, just maybe, change is that much of a necessity
PS: my language isn't that great so im sorry if i mixed some words up, hope you still understand what im getting at!
gahmen say majority of people dont want lgbt rights. but gahmen tell media to censor all lgbt content so people who dont go on the internet will think lgbt people are just a bunch of weird people so they dont deserve rights for their weird fetishistic behaviour. so who is it that make the silent majority? GAHMEN.
gahmen say majority of people dont want lgbt rights. but gahmen tell media to censor all lgbt content so people who dont go on the internet will think lgbt people are just a bunch of weird people so they dont deserve rights for their weird fetishistic behaviour. so who is it that make the silent majority? GAHMEN.
As a Singaporean I sincerely hope that in the future, all people, regardless of their sexual orientation, are given equal rights and freedom. Close-mindedness and conservation simply do not go well with our open economy, especially when other countries are gradually opening up to accepting same-sex couples. I only hope that all couples, regardless of their sexual orientation, can mind their behavior in the public and minimize affectionate display. After all some things are better done behind closed doors.
forcexjr U can do it, but just open the mind of Singaporean first. I knew that there r so many Singaporean criticized the protesters from Hong Kong who upholds justice.
Man文叔 Most likely they are condemning those that implicate innocent bystanders and drag them into the conflicts. Not every protester is decent after all. We do support those that protest through peaceful means.
I am impressed at how knowledgeable everyday people are in Singapore
small place, small population, concentrated upper class.
Lol no
Lol no
They did film this near a university tbh
The area where they recorded is close to a university / art school
The lady in red really hits all the right points while most of them should read more.......
Wealthy societies are those who protect the rights of women. And the wealthiest and most successful societies are those who protect the rights of LGBT as well
I had no idea this was happening...Thanks Asian Boss for making this video and sharing this issue with the world!
Yea they should ban lesbian sex as well
@@sadasdasddsadas5042 facts.
2:50 omg she said it so perfectly. Love, as long as it's consensual, doesn't hurt anyone.
Well spoken people. I've notice that Singaporean, Chinese and Indians are really well spoken.
For those who finds this law absurd: it's a legacy problem Singapore inherited from their British Constitution, and they likely won't actively enforce it but just have it work as a deterrence. Singapore has a very pragmatic government that is constantly balancing many people's interests, so I think they kept the law in the past mainly so it can satisfy the conflicting interests from more traditional-minded region groups in Singapore (I mean they have Christian, Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims)
They are just paying lip service to it
@Kleco102 I agree with you on the nature of those religions. The reason why I mentioned four was because there is a possibility that those four interests groups could all involved in it. If something one religion group fights against get accepted by law (or their favored law gets abolished), other religion groups will wonder if something they're against might come next in the future.
in hinduism transgender people are worshipped and they participate and bless people in many rituals, hindus buddhists dont have any religious texts that rejects homosexuals or transsexuals.
@@Rico-jd5ly I'm not attacking on Hinduism or buddhism, nor do I think that they don't support gay or transgender people. Take a look at my reply to Kleco 102's comment, that's my main reason why mentioning all four of them.
@Kleco102 Yeah I do agree on that since I'm Asian myself and yes eastern religions don't 'control' your life as much; Australia is an interesting example and indeed ppl never heard about buddhist groups oppose those progressive movements
"gay men can have sex, but only after they get married."
gay men cannot get married in sg, homie
remember, fetishization does not equal acceptance. Hope this law changes soon, much love to those in Singapore affected by it
try doing this in malaysia lmao
Lmao, just stay in sg
A Malaysian RUclipsr called Hishiko did it but in Mandarin.
@@MagicalKid how didthat go?
No please we hate Malaysia
Lol any muslim country the responses will be very similar hahaha
This law is a high level of hypocrisy. I hope it gets overturned
The law is indeed not perfect but no sane person would advocate for something that brings huge health risk to any human being.
@@yellowbeez93 stds still happen in straight sex. Deppresion is also a huge risk to health and banning homosexuality can and will highly likely lead to many homosexuals getting deppresion. Which could lead to them commiting suicide. Etc.
it is funny how one said it is the mindset of a developed country. Well, obviously Singapore is a well-developed country with an underdeveloped mindset
It's baffling that Singapore thinks it is an advanced country when it's attitudes and laws are stuck in the 1800's. It is supposed to be the young people who make changes but when they even seem scared to be part of the change there is not much hope. In this way they might as well still be part of Malaysia. China and India are even more advanced. It's very sad. Look at the courage of the young People of Hong Kong. How will things change if the young people aren't brave enough to stand up against the old men?
@@AA123TD If you look at history. Change is driven by the young who can see a better possible future. Young people are also citizens and should be heard. A country cannot claim democracy if it's people have no voice.
As a thriving society, the LGBTQIA+ community have endured a lot of battles to be accepted in their own realms. Change is always challenging and people would always have different views. That is acceptable as it will be put to the pedestal for debate. Regardless, if the law gets abolished or not, it still doesn't guarantee acceptance. We are making progress though.
When the guy in white shirt said "they must get married first then they can have sexual intercourse, general for both men and women, to get married first before having sexual intercourse" i was like "bruh seriously???????????????????? Do you even know whats coming out from your mouth?"
Its not 1920 anymore lol.
That's so wrong. People can have sex anytime they want.
DOUBLE STANDARD
It’s ok for lesbian couples to be intimate with one another even in public WHEREAS for gay couples-who are also doing the same thing-it’s not a good thing? What a bunch of BS, do people even know what kind of relationship that they actually have? Like knowing the gay or lesbian couple personally?
If protection from diseases or abusive relationships is the purpose, then WHY doesn’t that piece of legislation do the same thing for lesbian couples where the same aforementioned potential problems can arise?
Why do I say it’s a big bunch of BS?
BECAUSE-PSYCHOLOGICALLY ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE NO FAVORITES
It doesn’t matter if it’s prevalent or not it’s still a bad thing and we can’t really know for sure what is the actual statistic (because not everyone is willing to tell their situation and statisticians can manipulate the data); even if we do know that it can happen, but we’ll never know how prevalent is that kind of problem with regards to the lesbian or gay couples or anyone....really 😑
Im kinda confused r u saying all lgbt couples have psychologically abusive r/s lol?
Check the spread of HIV, it is mostly transmitted by gay men fcking each other not women.
@@llamaliammm OP seems to be talking about the often overlooked issue of abusive lesbian relationships. People usually understand that heterosexual and gay relationships can be abusive, but female-on-female abuse is unknown to or ignored by an upsetting amount of people.
Most people who have HIV per capita are heterosexuals in Africa. If you’re interested in making law by HIV transmission risk, heterosexuals are a higher risk vector than lesbians. Let’s make heterosexual sex illegal then. You can see the absurdity of such policy.
Anastasia Timmerman
Thank you for getting part of my point🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗; abusive relationships comes in many forms and it has NO FAVORITES, individual behavior has to be taken into account including their reasoning and individual choices and we certainly can’t generalize many kinds of people who happens to belong to a certain demographic who thinks very differently about many kinds of topics
Quite an informative video on this topic, as someone who doesn't really follow Singapore social issues (I do follow lots of food vloggers that talk about the country though!). That being said, I couldn't help but listen to these people talk and keep thinking to myself this interview was done in some London Chinatown district or something :D
In general, a law which isn't enforced for decades must disappear. This is about trust in the rule of law.
🤔This is issue is more nuanced than you think:
* Singapore is geographically surrounded by two large Muslim-majority countries, Malaysia and Indonesia. According to their religious beliefs, gay sex is immoral and punishable by death. Given the environment Subgaoire is in, I'm not sure having the state openly sponsoring gay sex is a wise move. While the other governments might be welcoming of that, pockets of extremists in Singapore's neighbours will not look too kindly upon that. Singapore itself also consists of multiple cultural and religious groups with similar beliefs.
* Singapore utilizes public housing to incentivize family formation and childbirth to counter the low birth rate commonly seen in developed countries. For example, you can only purchase new public housing as a legal family unit if you are under 35. The proponents for the repeal 377A essentially want to legally marry and buy subsidized public housing only meant for opposite-sex families who can bear children of their own. However, accepting same-sex families goes against the goal of increasing the birth rate since they can't bear their own children. Therefore, it goes against the interests of the country to change this law.
* This law, like other ancient laws in most other countries aren't really enforced. In real life, people are free to couple with whoever they are attracted to.
I love to watch this issue, please give us more Asian Boss!:)
Singapore is a really conservative country. Living here my entirely life its definitely very conservative. Even the people in the 30s. I would say only the younger one nowdays that people are more open.
But in terms of sexuality, most people doesnt mind same sex couple as long as they are not directly affected by it. But its a problem when they become too public and too “flamboyant”. Even for straight couple, PDA is also kind of uncomfortable for people in the public.
One of the problem about LGBT are the minorities within the LGBT community that publicly, flamboyantly and aggressively force their sexuality on others. While that it itself isnt really wrong, it really gives off a negative impression of this community which deters people from accepting them.
Either way, i feel that such law of having gay sex should be removed or changed becos it doesnt represents the society and the people today since its a law from long ago.
RULES IN EACH COUNTRY
Too loose: Philippines
Not too strict byt not to loose, just how it should be: Japan
Too strict, inflexible: Singapore
Teach us more about Singapore asian boss!! As a Canadian, I don’t hear about Singapore!! Very interesting and I’d like to hear perspectives of the locals more :)
ah, let's look at the people behind the ban, ah all men, ah, sure, of course.
edit: 9:33 thank you, finally someone said this!
Here i thought singapore was a progressive nation lol
Not THAT progressive.
Asian Boss educates us!
Rich don’t mean progressive.
in this topic, taiwan is the only asian country that allows same sex marriage so, i’d say they are the most progressive
@@koio2112 And thanks to lots of wumaos, Taiwan isn't a country to most of the world.
How do they catch them though? And why only gay men? I'm so confused, who thought this was a good idea ?😂😂😂
It's a legacy problem Singapore inherited from their British Constitution, and they won't actively enforce it but just work as a deterrence. So it can satisfy the conflicting interests from more traditional-minded region groups in Singapore (They have Christian, Buddhists, Hindu and muslim)
ermeeez IKR! In 2007 the government even legalized straight anal sex and lesbian sex but somehow decided that gay sex ban was gonna stay. That thought process tho.
Because of HIv
Well at least the muslim countries are fairer. Any sex before or outside marriage is equally bad. Wtf is this nonsense of sg- anal sex between straight couples is allowed but not gay ? Anal sex of all kind, straight or gay is bad. And y'all go on and on about equality. Smh
the law exists, but isnt truly acted upon. there's still a lot of gay couples being sexually intimate in sg.
Seems a lot better than what I expected. I hope the law gets overthrown. :) good on you young Singaporean peeps for having such an open mind!
I like the stance of the woman in black, she knows and understands what she is talking about. I'm hope to see more of her in Singapore.
1. I think people get confused between decriminalising homosexuality and same-sex marriage. A country can ban same-sex marriage but can still decriminalise homosexuality. So people commenting are quite confused.
2. The guy who says that people should get married first before engaging in sexual acts is talking from a Christian perspective which is that sex is only allowed within a marriage and the Christian definition of "marriage" is the union between one man and one woman in order to procreate and have a family for the survival of the species. The Christian concept of marriage is based on utility.
3. In my humble opinion, I think that the reason for this ban is because of the low birth rates and also because of National Service.
4. The reason why Lesbian sex is not decriminalised as well I have nothing to offer and it just sounds strange.
Try to say "love is love" or "you need to respect them as human" to a malaysian and you will listen to them giving speech for half an hour. Some might even say "why should we respect them,they dont deserve to stand on this land" 🙂 bcs someone said this to my face.
That goes for older generation, idk bout the newest
Yikes, sorry about that. Malaysia is practically hopeless thanks to the ultra conservative people and religious zealots who runs the society. The younger generation are much more open minded but it's a long way to go before we achieve real equality.
I just don’t understand how it’s the government’s business what happens behind closed doors you should be worrying about the economy or the well being of your citizens not if your citizens are dating the opposite sex or not
Why these young women sound much wiser than young men.
I'm definitely shocked by this Singapore law. I think this is sexist discrimination. Although I am biased and male myself, I don't think gay sex relationships should be penalized in general. Keep up the good work Asian Boss!
It should be get over it.
@@yellowbeez93 3 years later and seeing this reply cringes me. Get over yourself.
2:01 he must be living under a rock all this time....
Can't believe a progressive country like Singapore is so behind in terms of LGBT rights.
What progressive??? Singapore just wealthy not really progressive. Even they dont have democracy in their government 😂😂😂😂
In the Singaporean constitution, it is asserted that Singapore is a secular and democratic state, which implies that religious notions should and must not influence policy-makers. Thus, although it is quite heretical to perform carnal knowledge with partners of the same sex in many religions, it must not impede on verdicts made in legislation. I have found that the term "secularism" has been much etiolated in nature in almost every country nowadays...
Singapore's laws and norms have subverted its constitutional claim to secularism and democracy. Is there true democracy when the media is fully state controlled so you can just tell people that youre the best and they should vote for you?
Singapore's laws and norms have subverted its constitutional claim to secularism and democracy. Is there true democracy when the media is fully state controlled so you can just tell people that youre the best and they should vote for you?
I actually was surprised that such an developed country like singapore does have still laws against same sex marriage.
I'm proud of them for doing something against that. I think that something like this should not exist. Laws like these don't make much sense. If you would ask a homophobic politician why these laws exist all he could say would be lies or something like: I don't really know. It's disgusting. Why is it disgusting? I have no clue.
Same sex marriage will never be legalized in Singapore get over it
Well..
Closing statement on point. 👌 but overall it'll take time everywhere (I've been trying to make my own mum understand that there's nothing wrong with my best friend cause he's gay for years...)
Would have liked to hear more from all walks of life because like what the girl in black said, it rlly depends on the demographic and the age group you are speaking to. Generally, the younger generation under 30 are very open and supportive of LGBT while older generations are either on the fence about it or very conservative. It seems like the most of the interviewees were mostly quite young under 35 (again, the younger gen tends to hang out more at Orchard Road than the older folks) If you were to approach the “aunties and uncles” at coffeeshops, opinions would be very different. It would have been a more objective interview, showing both sides.
3:25 MY DUDE YOUR VOICE IS INCREDIBLE, get a radio job or something
I'm just shook that some of the interviewees are so well spoken and educated about the penal code. Wig.
These people are so informed about this law. I don’t know if it’s just editing but the people they interviewed have insight and education about what’s going on in their society.
It gives me hope to see young people being more open minded and accepting. Really happy to see that many cultures' younger demographics receptiveness and maturity.
I'm a Singaporean but I don't even know that law existed-
Le what- o-o
I feel sorry for people who in love or about to form family together regardless of gender. So they cannot be together at the end because of the law.
Singaporean people are so well educated. They argue really very well.
Religious groups are really confusing because as much noise as they make about their religious freedom, they have so much to say against other people’s freedom.
Religion have always been about double standards and exclusivity.
"You might not really understand them, but just respect them"
THATS IT, THATS THE TWEET
@@arjundev3125 yea I know many anti-LGBT atheists so you argument falls into the water
@@hephaestus9901 well that's your personal experience, where I come from young Buddhists and Hindus are more supportive of lgbt people, let alone atheists, so it seems like a problem with abrahamic religions to me