I didn't expect anything from him this season knowing 1 he was injured 2 he didn't have OTA's and most of the training camp all that stuff so really not surprised next year we should be able to see who he really is a boom or bust
@@Robert-fs6ge true but when they drafted him they already knew he was hurt and really weren't counting on him this year because they had Chandler Jones which I didn't like anyway should've drafted Carter or CB from Oregon Gonzalez but they thought his upside was to good to pass up
@@r4life70 #7 is a high pick for a prospect. But we've got him now so hopefully he'll improve . With the exception of Crosby Jacob's and Miller we've been picking busts for far too long. Along with getting McDaniels as coach when we should have gotten Harbaugh or kept the interim coach AP makes too many mistakes with his in game decisions These things are why we're sub par
@@Robert-fs6ge I agree completely but with A.P. He's learning only 4 games as a head coach so I wanna see how the year plays out I wanna see improvement especially after this bye week very interesting situation we're in going forward if he can win 4 or 5 I'd give him and Champ 2 yrs cause I know the players love him and play hard for him so will see how it goes
It's the raiders, why would you expect less? Remember when they drafted Darius Heyward-Bey in thr 1st round, just because he had the fastest 40 yd dash lol😂😂😂. Heyward-Bey was a projected 4-5th rounder on everyone else's draft board. This is what happens when a team is run by incompetent morons
It would be good for him to stick to Maxx this entire off season like a leach and just get everything he can from him. Maxx needs help and if he pans out then we would be in a good spot to then work on the interior line. Lets hope he makes a jump in year 2 because we definitely need it. RN4L!
I think people over expect the whole take a rookie "under their wing" presumption. Maxx dgaf about this guy, Maxx is building his brand and working on his skill set. It's up to the coaches to develop him and Tyree himself. Maxx doing podcasts in his free time.
At times it seems Tyree Wilson doesn't know what his job is sometimes it seems like he's just watching the other guys dressed in silver and black and doing what they do three seconds later .
There's a reason you don't hear Maxx defending Tyree any more Maxx is the kind of dog that puts 💯 and 90% out there in practice and game time and if other guys aren't doing it also then he's not investing 10% of his time mastering manicans.
This is a GREAT analysis of our rookie 1st round pick, Sanjit. Standing O for sifting through the media BS and seeing Tyree with realistic and still optimistic vision. This is also why, as some draft gurus think, if we wind up with a high draft pick we don't go QB but we take a top EDGE guy or trade down and still get one. Having a three-headed pass rushing monster, plus Koonce, would elevate the defense to a high level. On obvious passing downs Tyree could even slide inside and play 5-Tech with Maxx and our new EDGE guy coming for the QB. Something to think about if we believe in AO4.
The thought process is exactly why Ziegler and McDumbass are gone. You DONT draft a player at number 7 to be a development project. Compare his numbers in his rookie season to Clee Ferrells first year. Let’s keep it 100. He is a BUST!!! No sugar coating the obvious.
Hondo said that many GMs and coaches said Tyree was on their draft boards and say he's a "Dude". He's trying to put in the work to improve, but has been doing it all year while hurt/ not 100%. Gotta give him the offseason to get healthy and we'll see a different Tyree next year.
I'm not defending the pick, when I watched him at Tech I saw he was slow off the ball and the pick scared me. A lot more goes into these picks than just football talent. Character, work ethic and dedication is something we as fans can't see or don't know in the draft process. It's why some players fall in the draft like Carter and Randy Moss as an example. Sometimes a team gambles on them and it pays off. A lot of times it doesn't. Players like Reuben Foster, Justin Blackman, Josh Gordon. Who look like world beaters that team look a gamble on and end up out of the league. We've had our share of character issue with McClain, Arnette and Marinovich. As Raider fan we can find a lot more.
I wouldn't have taken Carter either. Too much risk cuz the Raiders couldn't afford to blow another 1st round pick. But the amount of talented players we passed on to take Wilson pisses me off. Not out on him at all. He has a lot of circumstances against him that he had to overcome before even beginning to get work in at this level. To me the pick is blown again because we took a project player! Again. GruYock 2.0
@@WuTaNgClAn805 I have no idea about Wilson or Carter's character. Just making a statement not directed at either player, that as fans we don't know these things during the draft process. Off field behavior such as arrests, substance abuse problems, gambling issues. These are all things we don't hear about unless they are in the news. Teams look into these things and some teams are better than others at uncovering red flags. Raiders are one of the organization that has failed at this. Could they have taken Carter off the board because of the incident that involved the death of. teammate. Yes. Especially after the Ruggs and Arnette situation.
I seen Enough, He's A Keeper, I think ur A 💯 percent right about everything... We did have Alil Depth but Mental health is real.He will get better next year.. Dudes strong as an OX now he needs the mental side he's playing checkers when the games Chess.. He's still A kid, watch calling it now He's gonna b as good as Mad Maxx that's how much upside I c from the dude Let's Go #RAIDERNATION
Tyree lacks the violence necessary for that position. the other defenders you showed had that violence. I truly believe he will learn the technique and the violence necessary to be affective at defensive end once he completes an off-season with Crosby, who participates in Vonn Miller's pass Rush Camp.
He's too slow off the ball to be drafted that high & he's more of a LE instead of a edge rusher but you already have Crosby as the LE. Just because guys are GM's that doesn't mean that they know what they're doing
He has to get fully healthy. Hope that injury he has isn't McFadden esque in that it lingers around throughout his career. Still, I remember once upon a time, a very very wise man within the organization who once said... "You can't teach speed."
He’s a great guy has a good attitude and the physical frame. I’m a little confused at his development in college and uncertain about his health. I hope he improves and becomes a monster
Gotta take into account that bro isn’t even suppose too be playing. At least not this many snaps. But because of chandler now he’s been thrown out there when he clearly wasn’t ready. Good thing is that all these snaps should help and I’d expect him to take a huge leap next year
I’m giving Wilson to the end of next season. As frustrating as he looks, need to remember he came off surgery and who knows if he’s even feeling healthy right now. I think they should shut him down because he’s not giving us a whole lot on the field.
I'm not gonna give up on tyree just yet. He started the season with a injury and he still came to play anyway witch to me shows heart from a player. Give him another year he will only get better the more he plays with Crosby. If Crosby can show tyree how to use his hands to evade/spin a defender we can have 2 defensive linemen than can be explosive at the line of scrimage at each end. Tyree can get there he just a step or 2 away from getting the sack. But he is getting there and he will get there the more he develops
Honest commentary. The title belies the optimistic nature of the content. This kid clearly is going to develop. If a top 10 pick isn’t a star out of the gate too many people are quick to call it a bust and move on. Like my dad always said… “Patience jackass!”
I’m never going to criticize a person that made it to the NFL. We took him too high with a pending surgery. However I think the future is bright for him.
Understand tyree was drafted with the hopes of slowing him into the rotation. The kick is coming off a lisfranc injury. That’s a major injury and it came on minor contact play. Give him some time to get his confidence back. He’s already flashing in the run game. Pass rush will show up soon.
I always appreciate your commentary, but I rarely hear any positive comments about how well our defensive line is playing overall as of late. The Kansas City Chiefs ran the ball down the Philadelphia Eagles throat with Jaylin Carter, our defense did an amazing job, controlling Kc’s running game with the exception Of two touchdowns in the red zone. Which is to be expected when you are playing arguably the number one offensive line in football. And the reason why our young defensive tackles can’t get on the field is because our veterans are playing so well. I just wish we would focus on the reality of the situation instead of always finding fault. Best regards
You gotta give him time we didn’t draft him as a starter in his first year he was supposed to be the successor to jones plus our middle ain’t that strong so give this man some time plus he coming off a foot injury which isn’t easy for an explosive player like Wilson
I've been watching football for 40 years, played a little bit in hs and college too in my younger days. So even though I'm not a pro scout or involved in anyway in pro football, i still feel like i can call it when i see a guy that has legitimate talent or a guy who is a bust. I said tyree wilson was going to be a bust and it wasn't even a hard call to make... look anytime you hear the words "developmental" used in a guy's predraft scouting report, that means stay away. Definitely don't make him your first round pick, and unless you got a throwaway pick in the late rounds that you wanna gamble with, then by all means go for it. Wilson just doesn't seem to have a feel for the position. He looks like an overgrown kid that got away with muscling his way through in hs and the college ranks, but it doesn't work in the pros. Ive never seen him use a swim move, a hook move, a spin move. Nothing. He tries to bullrush his way to the qb or ball carrier, and its ineffective. Even if he were to work on these things during the off-season, he is still too slow for the defensive end position. Bottomline a guy that is this far behind in comparison to his peers is simply not going to make up that much ground. You guys can continue hoping for a turnaround but I'm writing Wilson off as a defensive end period. His career could be salvaged, and yes i will use the word salvaged after only 1 year in the nfl because at his current rate he will be out of the nfl by his third year or be relegated to practice squad fodder. The best thing wilson has going for him is his size, which is clearly the only thing scouts looked at when they scouted him. If tyree wilson were to move to defensive tackle, he might be big enough and athletic enough to perform well. He might even be a good 3-4 scheme defensive end.
You can't forget that he started the season. Rehabbing His foot. And that foot is not pushing some 5 780 pound guy. He's freaking big it's going to take him a bit to get up to speed. I personally would have traded up for Anderson junior though.
keep watching. people will see why Tyree Wilson transferred from a DE school that is Texas A&M, to a non defending school that is Texas Tech. just keep watching. Tyree Wilson will be a depth player
Ok.... I know Tyree isn't the stud we expected, and I feel his pain. This is a real job. A real career of being a sports celebrity and you have to produce. Being a Raider, I am, I have the patience to support his development. It's only right.
Hope Tyree gets better and succeeds but when your roster is looking to fill holes we should have selected Jalen Carter. That would have solidified the DT position right away or we should've taken the #1 cornerback. This next draft we could've removed DT/CB off that list but now we have no idea what we have at CB, DE or DT. Smh
I think he'll be okay. If he truly wants to be successful and has the work ethic, it'll come. He needs to focus on his hand technique. Maxx will be an integral, invaluable source of that this off-season. I think what we really need from this organization is to stop with all the BS coaches and letting them choose their GM! We need people that actually know how to evaluate talent!
"I hope he figures it out. He has the size and power, but personally, I was leaning towards Devon Witherspoon. The Raiders' secondary was almost last in the league last year, but Seattle snatched him and he's having an outstanding rookie year with major upside. The team must do better in the draft with their first-round picks."
I think everyone needs to chill out on Wilson until he has a full offseason and training camp. The Raiders used their 7th pick on a seriously injured player. Who does that? If Wilson does not show significant improvement at the start of next season then you can send him a flame suit.
yep. he's got until the end of next year for me. same with all our rookies. ideally they should all get 3 years. you see amount of guys improve or be solid starters after we let them go
Honestly… This Raider Fan is tired of “developing players”; that genre of “wait & see” mentality is over. Pick them ready to “Go & Blow” - Blow it Up and win - Just Win Baby- Excuses are for losers and all we’ve done for a few decades now is not win a Super Bowl… Focus Dude, Focus… Do what it takes to “Just Win Baby!” Wasting Draft Picks to “Develop Players” is not winning!
Hes going to get better he definitely wasnt supposed to play as much as he is he just needs to put his head down and work and keep confidence in himself
Sanjit. You are being rough on our rookie player Tyree Wilson. There was a interview/podcast conducted by OakLasVegas & Wasted Talent Unlimted with Hondo Carpenter. Hondo stated that Josh Mcdaniels and Dave Ziegler wanted #1 Will Anderson and #2 was who we now have Tyree Wilson. Hondo stated that there is a term amongst scouts that players with extremely high potential are "a dude." Tyree Wilson was seen as "a dude" by both Josh Mcdaniels and Dave Ziegler. Tyree was picked with the assumption he could get groomed behind former Raiders player Chandler Jones & current Raiders player Maxx Crosby. Tyree was supposed to have year one to fully recover and develop behind our other defensive ends. Hondo also stated that Maxx Crosby is hard on Tyree and expects a lot out of him and that Tyree works extremely hard daily to improve. I think it's safe to say we need to give him more time before we call him a bust of a pick. If we look at Clelin Ferril with the 49'ers, even he is becoming into a better player. It's going to take time for Tyree, but I got faith he'll be a big piece of the defense in the future. RN4L 🏴☠️
Wait, that tweet says "The Raiders haven't hit on a 1st round pick since Amari Cooper" but what about Josh Jacobs (the guy who led the league in rushing last season and has over 5,500 yards rushing and 46 rush TDs in less than five seasons) lol.
Clelin Ferrell was better as a rookie, says a lot about Wilson. He has potential sure, but I’m afraid it’ll never come into fruition. Doesn’t seem to have that IT factor as a pass rusher.
We already know that he needs time to work on his hands, so why not wait until he's had a full off season of working on his techniques and be 100% physically?
Also coming off a serious foot injury, missing camp all play into it. Agree that Ziegler was looking at this pick as more of a long term investment that would pay off in 3 years. Instead of the quick fix Raider fans want that improves the team in this season.
@@Robert-fs6ge That looks like what the plan was. Easing him onto the field, he was supposed to backup Jones and Crosby. They knew he was a project who has freak power and size. Now in three years it's entirely possible he looks exactly like he did last week and he's a bust. Or he trends upwards and turns into a 10-12 sacks guy by his 3rd year. I like the route they are taking with him, not throwing him to the wolves and getting 20 snaps a week. Usually we have young players out there for 80 plays, get beaten up look like crap. They pick up bad habits and get ruined. We don't have a winning roster right now, no harm in letting him learn and get better. Hopefully it works.
@@KennyP99941 I'm a Raiders fan since Stabler so I've seen a lot Right now he looks like a bust but it doesn't matter because we already spent the draft pick I'd be happy to see him have major improvement. My point is a #7 pick should be an impact player right away
I said when we drafted Wilson, that we were getting another Dion Jordan or Vernon Gholston. On top of that, Wilson was rehabbing from a foot injury. For some reason we like drafting injured players at the top of the draft. Wilson might not be 100% healthy and may pan out in '24. The other possibility is Wilson doesn't fully recover from his foot injury and never reaches his full potential. Really wish we'd stop drafting injured guys with blue chip picks and/or making blue chip picks based on potential. We have whiffed so many times that it has been really difficult to solve long-term foundational needs and just allow us to draft best player available like the better run teams in the league.
This cat has shown to be a bust to this point. I don’t believe he’s fully recovered from offseason surgery so I’ll give him a pass. Let’s see what happens in his sophomore season which is when stars usually shine ✨
@SanjitT...I don't know what you guys see in Patrick Graham 's system? I am glad you admit that you were big on Tyree Wilson up to the draft. I wasn't and I am not sure why we drafted an injured player along with signing an injured JimmyG? Dave Zeigler and JMac again!!!😂😂😂 You have to move him around to see where he fits best before giving up on him. Why did the Raiders push Reggie McKenzie out the door?
Myself Personally I'm patient with Tyree Wilson. I remember when fans were saying khalil Mack a bust until he got his first sack as a Rookie. Mack wound up with 4 his Rookie season. The rest is history.
@cesardecasas3924 I remember succinctly quite a few fans calling him a bust he really didn't take off until late in the season. Idont know if what I said triggered you. But I remember the chatter said about Mack his Rookie season. Nobody is saying Tyree Wilson will ever reach Mack's status. Rookies develop at different rates. Tyree wasn't even supposed to be thrown into the fire this early. Chandler Jones went wack a doodles and the staff had no choice. Plus I think he isn't fully over his foot injury. Let's see how he develops next season.
@cesardecasas3924 I remember khalil Mack's very First sack as a Rookie. It was against Philip Rivers in San Diego I was at that game. His Jersey was the last Raiders jersey I bought. When he got traded I swore off buying players jerseys. I have his home and away Jerseys. He was one of my favorite Raiders but not anymore now that he is with the Chokers.
So much copium being snorted in the comments section. Guy is slow and a bust. Passing on Carter a fireable offense. Bye Ziegler. Defense set back several more years.
As a Raider fan I know that much of the blame is placed on coaches. For all these bad losing seasons. But coaches don’t get on the field; players do. The Raiders do not draft well that is why they are always mediocre. They depend on big time free agents through out their history. But lately they cannot attract anybody besides Adams. I don’t think they will be able to do that anymore going forward. Many young fans have forgotten the greatness of the Raiders. They have to build through the draft. They need to start taking the best player available despite the need. STOP reaching for players! This goes back to Jabustas Russell. I have no faith in them to pick anybody good in the 1st round. We can’t even tank because we’ll just pick some clown and have the rest of league laugh at us. If I was GM I would have pick Calvin Johnson, A-Rod, and Lynch. Those were absolutely no brainers. The Eagles picked Desean Jackson in the second round! Defense is a little more tougher to judge but stop reaching. The best player available or trade down they’re going to pick some head scratcher anyways. It’s so frustrating! Like We are stuck in purgatory. Not good enough to be perennial playoff contenders but not bad enough to get a top pick. But even so we’d botch it.
Ay to all the raiders fans, look I wanted us to take jalen carter at 7, but we didn’t we took tyree, I think the plan was for him to heal up year 1 sitting behind chandler, obviously that ain’t work out. Hondo carpenter touched on this what I’m about to regurgitate, Hondo talked about how we as raider nation cannot make the mistake on ostracizing tyree based on year 1, the whole situation with clelin Ferrell was bad, but Hondo made a good point on how we hated on Ferrell and Ferrell has been playing really well over in San Fran playing as DT, which is what we where going to do, move him to DT, but he ain’t want to come back cause he felt everybody hated him, so he left. The point is we can’t do to Tyree Wilson what we did to players like Arden key and Ferrell walk in FA because we hate on this dude, I say we give bro till year 3 and see how he develops than we can talk our SHIT !
Look at Malcolm koonce I would have labeled him a bust too , but this year he has put it all together. The issue with Carter is does he have the maturity to be in Vegas
I swear the Raiders coaching staff’s need to take a course on drafting players and at least have a guideline to follow, like stop taking chances and get the hot shot player that’s there, it’s most likely they will be successful, maybe not all the time but most of the time, and stop bringing in players with injury concerns.
Imo, the next 5 games, give him more reps at DT. Maybe move him to DT next season. He can be a DT like deforest Buckner. Big, lengthy DT. Take Chop Robinson from Penn st or Latu from UCLA
Give the guy a break he’s a 19 year old kid still learning to play the position AFTER a major injury…Jalen Carter has been in trouble twice already and he’s still a rookie
I just cant say anything bad on Tyree. They drafted him knowing he needed a year and Chandler Jones just killed everything. Nobody should be mad at Tyree. Blame Chandler, Ziegler and McDaniels it was their plan/fault Tyree now has to play now
if Tyree Wilson stayed at Texas A&M or actually went to TCU, chances are he would have less issues than he does now after Texas Tech, a non Defensive School
Rashad Gary had the same type of rookie year. Let’s have some sort of patience. I get it we would like instant impact at 7. But they decided different. Let the rook grow
He has NO moves. He is SLOW off the ball. You can be ghandi type humble that doesn’t make you mean you are going to develop into a justified number 7 pick.
He's a 4th, 5th round talent. His get off is slow. It's not something you can teach. Either you have it, or you don't. He can try to improve it, but the fast twitch is just not there. He could muscle guys in college but that was college. But maybe it's the Raiders coaching too. Have you seen Cle Ferrell with the 9ers? He's a beast. Looks like a different player.
4th or 5th round talent is insane when coming out some people had him higher than will anderson…. We all knew he was gonna be a project being hurt through OTAS and damn near all of training camp
You can't teach get offs???? Track athletes have to disagree with you. That's one of the very things we are taught in track. How to get off the line and how to do it fast. Its teachable, it's just finding the right person to teach him that.
How is he a 4th or 5th round talent when I a lot of teams had him going before Carter if it wasn’t for the injury we’d probably end up with will Anderson because he would’ve probably went to the Texans
@@GrimRaider666 I said it is something he can work on or improve but a track get off and a football first three steps are different. Very different. He is so clearly slower than even the interior linemen off the ball. He can improve it but it will never be elite or even average or a DE.
I believe we give him one year cause of the injury and not having training camp. Him being able to learn some pass rush moves from Crosby will be great but he hasn’t looked good at all
I wasn’t even expecting Tyree to play a lot this season. I always saw him as year two player at best. They drafted him injured cmon now. He was supposed to be a project type player. Stop acting like he wasn’t supposed to learn from Chandler and Maxx this season.
Most Raider fans didn't want Tyree Wilson another dumb first round pick. Imagined if Raider management would actually pay attention to Raider fans wish list. Raiders would have been Super Bowl contenders a long time ago.
Raiders might as well trade away their 1st rd pick and get their franchise QB cause they just blowing these picks anyways! For a 7th overall pick, Tyree Wilson is a bust! SUPER disappointed that the Raiders did not draft Jalen Carter, dude is a stud DT, which is what Raiders need so badly on the DLine!!
Tyree is all on Mcdaniels/Ziegler. Reaching for your first round draft pick versus going with the obvious slam dunk of a pick in Carter. Even if Wilson ever develops, you had a player that was already better than Wilson and had almost as much potential as Wilson. Glad Mcdaniels is gone, but sad to see us keep wasting our first round pick talents. Im under the camp thay Wilson will most likely develop. He seems the type of guy that will put in the work. But even if he does turn into a legit top 10 player, it still does not make the pick any better.
If he can work with maxx on his Hand technique..he would do a lot better.. you can see he got the strength ..just work on you hand and feet skill and you’ll be great.
Have a great day Raidernation!
And what is the good news? LOL
Thanx Sanjit. What do you think of Jayden Danials as our next QB?
You too brother. You are by far the best in Raiders coverage 👍
Check out the Hondo Carpenter pod with Graphk. Love the insight he brought to this pick.
Go get a franchise qb a good packaged 17 an 8 get rid of them .6 an 11 last year an 5 an 12 this year .though 9 in the packaged
I didn't expect anything from him this season knowing 1 he was injured 2 he didn't have OTA's and most of the training camp all that stuff so really not surprised next year we should be able to see who he really is a boom or bust
Exactly I said the same thing
7th overall should be an impact player right away
@@Robert-fs6ge true but when they drafted him they already knew he was hurt and really weren't counting on him this year because they had Chandler Jones which I didn't like anyway should've drafted Carter or CB from Oregon Gonzalez but they thought his upside was to good to pass up
@@r4life70 #7 is a high pick for a prospect. But we've got him now so hopefully he'll improve . With the exception of Crosby Jacob's and Miller we've been picking busts for far too long. Along with getting McDaniels as coach when we should have gotten Harbaugh or kept the interim coach AP makes too many mistakes with his in game decisions These things are why we're sub par
@@Robert-fs6ge I agree completely but with A.P. He's learning only 4 games as a head coach so I wanna see how the year plays out I wanna see improvement especially after this bye week very interesting situation we're in going forward if he can win 4 or 5 I'd give him and Champ 2 yrs cause I know the players love him and play hard for him so will see how it goes
Raiders have missed on number ones for so many years now really sets us bak
I just don’t understand how we can take players in the 1st round that aren’t planned starters? To me that’s crazy. Especially in the top 10.
Bro he's not good he doesn't have a swim move to save his life
It's the raiders, why would you expect less? Remember when they drafted Darius Heyward-Bey in thr 1st round, just because he had the fastest 40 yd dash lol😂😂😂. Heyward-Bey was a projected 4-5th rounder on everyone else's draft board. This is what happens when a team is run by incompetent morons
Garbage Mark Davis ALWAYS fails
I agree, gotta try and trade back. Can’t be taking injured players in the 1st round that aren’t ready to go day 1.
It would be good for him to stick to Maxx this entire off season like a leach and just get everything he can from him. Maxx needs help and if he pans out then we would be in a good spot to then work on the interior line. Lets hope he makes a jump in year 2 because we definitely need it. RN4L!
I think people over expect the whole take a rookie "under their wing" presumption. Maxx dgaf about this guy, Maxx is building his brand and working on his skill set. It's up to the coaches to develop him and Tyree himself. Maxx doing podcasts in his free time.
Tyree has too much to learn he doesn't have the basic mechanics or hand techniques and he's SLOOOOOOOW, he'd be better as an offensive Tackle.
At times it seems Tyree Wilson doesn't know what his job is sometimes it seems like he's just watching the other guys dressed in silver and black and doing what they do three seconds later .
There's a reason you don't hear Maxx defending Tyree any more Maxx is the kind of dog that puts 💯 and 90% out there in practice and game time and if other guys aren't doing it also then he's not investing 10% of his time mastering manicans.
This is a GREAT analysis of our rookie 1st round pick, Sanjit. Standing O for sifting through the media BS and seeing Tyree with realistic and still optimistic vision. This is also why, as some draft gurus think, if we wind up with a high draft pick we don't go QB but we take a top EDGE guy or trade down and still get one. Having a three-headed pass rushing monster, plus Koonce, would elevate the defense to a high level. On obvious passing downs Tyree could even slide inside and play 5-Tech with Maxx and our new EDGE guy coming for the QB. Something to think about if we believe in AO4.
The thought process is exactly why Ziegler and McDumbass are gone. You DONT draft a player at number 7 to be a development project. Compare his numbers in his rookie season to Clee Ferrells first year. Let’s keep it 100. He is a BUST!!! No sugar coating the obvious.
Yeah at least Ferrell was very solid against the run.
This video literally says tyree is good against the run
Only good drafts, Woodson, carr mack…. THAT IS ALL, jacobs is good too.. PERIOD WE SUCK AT DRAFTING
Hondo said that many GMs and coaches said Tyree was on their draft boards and say he's a "Dude". He's trying to put in the work to improve, but has been doing it all year while hurt/ not 100%. Gotta give him the offseason to get healthy and we'll see a different Tyree next year.
I immediately said we would regret passing on Carter and the homers attacked me for it
I'm not defending the pick, when I watched him at Tech I saw he was slow off the ball and the pick scared me. A lot more goes into these picks than just football talent. Character, work ethic and dedication is something we as fans can't see or don't know in the draft process. It's why some players fall in the draft like Carter and Randy Moss as an example. Sometimes a team gambles on them and it pays off. A lot of times it doesn't. Players like Reuben Foster, Justin Blackman, Josh Gordon. Who look like world beaters that team look a gamble on and end up out of the league. We've had our share of character issue with McClain, Arnette and Marinovich. As Raider fan we can find a lot more.
I wanted Carter as well smh I'm still pissed
@@KennyP99941what about Tyree Wilson shows you work ethic or character?
I wouldn't have taken Carter either. Too much risk cuz the Raiders couldn't afford to blow another 1st round pick. But the amount of talented players we passed on to take Wilson pisses me off. Not out on him at all. He has a lot of circumstances against him that he had to overcome before even beginning to get work in at this level. To me the pick is blown again because we took a project player! Again. GruYock 2.0
@@WuTaNgClAn805 I have no idea about Wilson or Carter's character. Just making a statement not directed at either player, that as fans we don't know these things during the draft process. Off field behavior such as arrests, substance abuse problems, gambling issues. These are all things we don't hear about unless they are in the news. Teams look into these things and some teams are better than others at uncovering red flags. Raiders are one of the organization that has failed at this. Could they have taken Carter off the board because of the incident that involved the death of. teammate. Yes. Especially after the Ruggs and Arnette situation.
I respect that fact he contacted you and said what he said
I seen Enough, He's A Keeper, I think ur A 💯 percent right about everything... We did have Alil Depth but Mental health is real.He will get better next year.. Dudes strong as an OX now he needs the mental side he's playing checkers when the games Chess.. He's still A kid, watch calling it now He's gonna b as good as Mad Maxx that's how much upside I c from the dude Let's Go
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Tyree lacks the violence necessary for that position. the other defenders you showed had that violence. I truly believe he will learn the technique and the violence necessary to be affective at defensive end once he completes an off-season with Crosby, who participates in Vonn Miller's pass Rush Camp.
Yes
The Raiders should just trade their 1st round pick every year. Save us the grief of reviewing our draft failures.
Give him an off-season to develop and we'll see what he's made of.
Nah he’s a bust you’ll see
He's too slow off the ball to be drafted that high & he's more of a LE instead of a edge rusher but you already have Crosby as the LE. Just because guys are GM's that doesn't mean that they know what they're doing
He has to get fully healthy. Hope that injury he has isn't McFadden esque in that it lingers around throughout his career. Still, I remember once upon a time, a very very wise man within the organization who once said... "You can't teach speed."
He’s a great guy has a good attitude and the physical frame. I’m a little confused at his development in college and uncertain about his health. I hope he improves and becomes a monster
Gotta take into account that bro isn’t even suppose too be playing. At least not this many snaps. But because of chandler now he’s been thrown out there when he clearly wasn’t ready. Good thing is that all these snaps should help and I’d expect him to take a huge leap next year
What does that have to do with his get off? Dude has no fast twitch muscles well at least not yet
@@iputsnworkiputsnwork1500 exactly what is says. He wasn’t ready.
Anyone taken in the top 10 should be playing right away (taking to account his foot injury).
@@dauntewimmer9321 then he shouldn’t have been taken 7
I’m giving Wilson to the end of next season. As frustrating as he looks, need to remember he came off surgery and who knows if he’s even feeling healthy right now. I think they should shut him down because he’s not giving us a whole lot on the field.
with young people you have to see their potential and help them reach it. Tyree is in control of his story.
I'm not gonna give up on tyree just yet. He started the season with a injury and he still came to play anyway witch to me shows heart from a player. Give him another year he will only get better the more he plays with Crosby. If Crosby can show tyree how to use his hands to evade/spin a defender we can have 2 defensive linemen than can be explosive at the line of scrimage at each end. Tyree can get there he just a step or 2 away from getting the sack. But he is getting there and he will get there the more he develops
Honest commentary. The title belies the optimistic nature of the content.
This kid clearly is going to develop. If a top 10 pick isn’t a star out of the gate too many people are quick to call it a bust and move on. Like my dad always said… “Patience jackass!”
I think it is a really good sign Wilson is willing to improve.
I’m never going to criticize a person that made it to the NFL. We took him too high with a pending surgery. However I think the future is bright for him.
Understand tyree was drafted with the hopes of slowing him into the rotation. The kick is coming off a lisfranc injury. That’s a major injury and it came on minor contact play. Give him some time to get his confidence back. He’s already flashing in the run game. Pass rush will show up soon.
@sanjit imagine if we would’ve drafted OLB Josh Allen instead of Clelin Ferrel! We won’t even be talking about this pick right now
100% facts
I always appreciate your commentary, but I rarely hear any positive comments about how well our defensive line is playing overall as of late. The Kansas City Chiefs ran the ball down the Philadelphia Eagles throat with Jaylin Carter, our defense did an amazing job, controlling Kc’s running game with the exception Of two touchdowns in the red zone. Which is to be expected when you are playing arguably the number one offensive line in football. And the reason why our young defensive tackles can’t get on the field is because our veterans are playing so well. I just wish we would focus on the reality of the situation instead of always finding fault. Best regards
He isn't triggered by good D Line play. Just what went wrong.
💯 Daryl
You gotta give him time we didn’t draft him as a starter in his first year he was supposed to be the successor to jones plus our middle ain’t that strong so give this man some time plus he coming off a foot injury which isn’t easy for an explosive player like Wilson
He's super young so there's time for him to improve.
I've been watching football for 40 years, played a little bit in hs and college too in my younger days. So even though I'm not a pro scout or involved in anyway in pro football, i still feel like i can call it when i see a guy that has legitimate talent or a guy who is a bust. I said tyree wilson was going to be a bust and it wasn't even a hard call to make... look anytime you hear the words "developmental" used in a guy's predraft scouting report, that means stay away. Definitely don't make him your first round pick, and unless you got a throwaway pick in the late rounds that you wanna gamble with, then by all means go for it.
Wilson just doesn't seem to have a feel for the position. He looks like an overgrown kid that got away with muscling his way through in hs and the college ranks, but it doesn't work in the pros. Ive never seen him use a swim move, a hook move, a spin move. Nothing. He tries to bullrush his way to the qb or ball carrier, and its ineffective.
Even if he were to work on these things during the off-season, he is still too slow for the defensive end position. Bottomline a guy that is this far behind in comparison to his peers is simply not going to make up that much ground. You guys can continue hoping for a turnaround but I'm writing Wilson off as a defensive end period.
His career could be salvaged, and yes i will use the word salvaged after only 1 year in the nfl because at his current rate he will be out of the nfl by his third year or be relegated to practice squad fodder. The best thing wilson has going for him is his size, which is clearly the only thing scouts looked at when they scouted him. If tyree wilson were to move to defensive tackle, he might be big enough and athletic enough to perform well. He might even be a good 3-4 scheme defensive end.
You can't forget that he started the season. Rehabbing His foot. And that foot is not pushing some 5 780 pound guy. He's freaking big it's going to take him a bit to get up to speed. I personally would have traded up for Anderson junior though.
Tyree has the most potential of all the rookies. If he can put it all together he can be special but that’s the risk McZieg took.
I think maxxxx gone get him right
Lmaoooo he’s shown nothing
keep watching. people will see why Tyree Wilson transferred from a DE school that is Texas A&M, to a non defending school that is Texas Tech. just keep watching. Tyree Wilson will be a depth player
False. Long arms and height don’t equal potential.
@@boogieblocka1749he just said 300 snaps and 💩
Ok.... I know Tyree isn't the stud we expected, and I feel his pain. This is a real job. A real career of being a sports celebrity and you have to produce. Being a Raider, I am, I have the patience to support his development. It's only right.
What’s more pathetic the Raiders haven’t won a Super Bowl in 40 years
Hope Tyree gets better and succeeds but when your roster is looking to fill holes we should have selected Jalen Carter. That would have solidified the DT position right away or we should've taken the #1 cornerback. This next draft we could've removed DT/CB off that list but now we have no idea what we have at CB, DE or DT. Smh
Thank you Sanji
A coach will be positive and uplifting. Why should we care about what the position coach who still works for the team is going to say publicly?
Wilson is just starting his career and is a starting lineman already. Raider's defense has looked great this season.
I think he'll be okay. If he truly wants to be successful and has the work ethic, it'll come. He needs to focus on his hand technique. Maxx will be an integral, invaluable source of that this off-season. I think what we really need from this organization is to stop with all the BS coaches and letting them choose their GM! We need people that actually know how to evaluate talent!
There’s a good chance by year 3 Wilson is a stud and Carter is a head case. Dude was crying on the sideline letting lineman get in his head
Eagle fans were killing him over the crying. Not a good look
"I hope he figures it out. He has the size and power, but personally, I was leaning towards Devon Witherspoon. The Raiders' secondary was almost last in the league last year, but Seattle snatched him and he's having an outstanding rookie year with major upside. The team must do better in the draft with their first-round picks."
great work... who is coming up next year with good hands
I think everyone needs to chill out on Wilson until he has a full offseason and training camp. The Raiders used their 7th pick on a seriously injured player. Who does that? If Wilson does not show significant improvement at the start of next season then you can send him a flame suit.
yep. he's got until the end of next year for me. same with all our rookies. ideally they should all get 3 years. you see amount of guys improve or be solid starters after we let them go
You don’t take a guy in the top 10 that isn’t gonna start
he wasn't supposed to have an impact until year 2. Let's give the man a year he's still only at like 70% recovered from that injury.
they said the same at Texas A&M. went from a starter to wanting a transfer. Tyree didnt want to be a depth player. thats what he is and will be
I represent Apopka Florida …all day every day …every time i c jalen carter play i shed tears 🥹
Why is everyone ignoring Josh Jacobs? He was a 1st round pick and is doing wonderful.
Max shouldn't be expected to teach Tyree. That's the coaches job. Tyree is an adult that's responsible for his own horrendous play
You were very high on Tyree Wilson pre draft 👍🏽
Honestly… This Raider Fan is tired of “developing players”; that genre of “wait & see” mentality is over. Pick them ready to “Go & Blow” - Blow it Up and win - Just Win Baby- Excuses are for losers and all we’ve done for a few decades now is not win a Super Bowl… Focus Dude, Focus… Do what it takes to “Just Win Baby!” Wasting Draft Picks to “Develop Players” is not winning!
Hes going to get better he definitely wasnt supposed to play as much as he is he just needs to put his head down and work and keep confidence in himself
Have a great day Sanjit
Top ten first round pick expectations should be starter/ impact player by now. How are we so bad at draft player evaluation?
Got my popcorn ready
Sanjit. You are being rough on our rookie player Tyree Wilson. There was a interview/podcast conducted by OakLasVegas & Wasted Talent Unlimted with Hondo Carpenter. Hondo stated that Josh Mcdaniels and Dave Ziegler wanted #1 Will Anderson and #2 was who we now have Tyree Wilson. Hondo stated that there is a term amongst scouts that players with extremely high potential are "a dude." Tyree Wilson was seen as "a dude" by both Josh Mcdaniels and Dave Ziegler. Tyree was picked with the assumption he could get groomed behind former Raiders player Chandler Jones & current Raiders player Maxx Crosby. Tyree was supposed to have year one to fully recover and develop behind our other defensive ends. Hondo also stated that Maxx Crosby is hard on Tyree and expects a lot out of him and that Tyree works extremely hard daily to improve. I think it's safe to say we need to give him more time before we call him a bust of a pick. If we look at Clelin Ferril with the 49'ers, even he is becoming into a better player. It's going to take time for Tyree, but I got faith he'll be a big piece of the defense in the future. RN4L 🏴☠️
Wait, that tweet says "The Raiders haven't hit on a 1st round pick since Amari Cooper" but what about Josh Jacobs (the guy who led the league in rushing last season and has over 5,500 yards rushing and 46 rush TDs in less than five seasons) lol.
Clelin Ferrell was better as a rookie, says a lot about Wilson. He has potential sure, but I’m afraid it’ll never come into fruition. Doesn’t seem to have that IT factor as a pass rusher.
Bro, @SanjitT can you apply for a recruitment position for the Raiders. Seems like your expertise would be just what we need to help find talent.
We already know that he needs time to work on his hands, so why not wait until he's had a full off season of working on his techniques and be 100% physically?
I think he can get better. Trying to stay positive.
What do u think about having him beef up and try DT?
Glad you said it!!!
Also coming off a serious foot injury, missing camp all play into it. Agree that Ziegler was looking at this pick as more of a long term investment that would pay off in 3 years. Instead of the quick fix Raider fans want that improves the team in this season.
So you're saying they'll sign him again after his rookie contract,?
@@Robert-fs6ge We don't really have a history of resigning players. We usually ruin them before the 2nd contact.
@@KennyP99941 You're saying he'll pay off in a few years but if we don't extend his contract he'll be paying off for another team
@@Robert-fs6ge That looks like what the plan was. Easing him onto the field, he was supposed to backup Jones and Crosby. They knew he was a project who has freak power and size. Now in three years it's entirely possible he looks exactly like he did last week and he's a bust. Or he trends upwards and turns into a 10-12 sacks guy by his 3rd year. I like the route they are taking with him, not throwing him to the wolves and getting 20 snaps a week. Usually we have young players out there for 80 plays, get beaten up look like crap. They pick up bad habits and get ruined. We don't have a winning roster right now, no harm in letting him learn and get better. Hopefully it works.
@@KennyP99941 I'm a Raiders fan since Stabler so I've seen a lot Right now he looks like a bust but it doesn't matter because we already spent the draft pick I'd be happy to see him have major improvement. My point is a #7 pick should be an impact player right away
I said when we drafted Wilson, that we were getting another Dion Jordan or Vernon Gholston. On top of that, Wilson was rehabbing from a foot injury. For some reason we like drafting injured players at the top of the draft. Wilson might not be 100% healthy and may pan out in '24. The other possibility is Wilson doesn't fully recover from his foot injury and never reaches his full potential. Really wish we'd stop drafting injured guys with blue chip picks and/or making blue chip picks based on potential. We have whiffed so many times that it has been really difficult to solve long-term foundational needs and just allow us to draft best player available like the better run teams in the league.
This cat has shown to be a bust to this point. I don’t believe he’s fully recovered from offseason surgery so I’ll give him a pass. Let’s see what happens in his sophomore season which is when stars usually shine ✨
@SanjitT...I don't know what you guys see in Patrick Graham 's system? I am glad you admit that you were big on Tyree Wilson up to the draft. I wasn't and I am not sure why we drafted an injured player along with signing an injured JimmyG? Dave Zeigler and JMac again!!!😂😂😂 You have to move him around to see where he fits best before giving up on him. Why did the Raiders push Reggie McKenzie out the door?
Talk to me this time next season when Tyree's foot is 100%, he has had full-on conditioning, reps, all the coaching, etc.
Myself Personally I'm patient with Tyree Wilson. I remember when fans were saying khalil Mack a bust until he got his first sack as a Rookie. Mack wound up with 4 his Rookie season. The rest is history.
Your smoking comparing the two Mack came in as a linebacker and everyone saw his potential he was a dog out the bat tyree is garbage
@cesardecasas3924 I remember succinctly quite a few fans calling him a bust he really didn't take off until late in the season. Idont know if what I said triggered you. But I remember the chatter said about Mack his Rookie season. Nobody is saying Tyree Wilson will ever reach Mack's status. Rookies develop at different rates. Tyree wasn't even supposed to be thrown into the fire this early. Chandler Jones went wack a doodles and the staff had no choice. Plus I think he isn't fully over his foot injury. Let's see how he develops next season.
@cesardecasas3924 I remember khalil Mack's very First sack as a Rookie. It was against Philip Rivers in San Diego I was at that game. His Jersey was the last Raiders jersey I bought. When he got traded I swore off buying players jerseys. I have his home and away Jerseys. He was one of my favorite Raiders but not anymore now that he is with the Chokers.
So much copium being snorted in the comments section. Guy is slow and a bust. Passing on Carter a fireable offense. Bye Ziegler. Defense set back several more years.
As a Raider fan I know that much of the blame is placed on coaches. For all these bad losing seasons. But coaches don’t get on the field; players do. The Raiders do not draft well that is why they are always mediocre. They depend on big time free agents through out their history. But lately they cannot attract anybody besides Adams. I don’t think they will be able to do that anymore going forward. Many young fans have forgotten the greatness of the Raiders. They have to build through the draft. They need to start taking the best player available despite the need. STOP reaching for players! This goes back to Jabustas Russell. I have no faith in them to pick anybody good in the 1st round. We can’t even tank because we’ll just pick some clown and have the rest of league laugh at us. If I was GM I would have pick Calvin Johnson, A-Rod, and Lynch. Those were absolutely no brainers. The Eagles picked Desean Jackson in the second round! Defense is a little more tougher to judge but stop reaching. The best player available or trade down they’re going to pick some head scratcher anyways. It’s so frustrating! Like We are stuck in purgatory. Not good enough to be perennial playoff contenders but not bad enough to get a top pick. But even so we’d botch it.
What are your thoughts on the Raiders Oline this year?
That's dope you talked to tyree
Ay to all the raiders fans, look I wanted us to take jalen carter at 7, but we didn’t we took tyree, I think the plan was for him to heal up year 1 sitting behind chandler, obviously that ain’t work out. Hondo carpenter touched on this what I’m about to regurgitate, Hondo talked about how we as raider nation cannot make the mistake on ostracizing tyree based on year 1, the whole situation with clelin Ferrell was bad, but Hondo made a good point on how we hated on Ferrell and Ferrell has been playing really well over in San Fran playing as DT, which is what we where going to do, move him to DT, but he ain’t want to come back cause he felt everybody hated him, so he left. The point is we can’t do to Tyree Wilson what we did to players like Arden key and Ferrell walk in FA because we hate on this dude, I say we give bro till year 3 and see how he develops than we can talk our SHIT !
Look at Malcolm koonce I would have labeled him a bust too , but this year he has put it all together.
The issue with Carter is does he have the maturity to be in Vegas
I swear the Raiders coaching staff’s need to take a course on drafting players and at least have a guideline to follow, like stop taking chances and get the hot shot player that’s there, it’s most likely they will be successful, maybe not all the time but most of the time, and stop bringing in players with injury concerns.
You LOVED Wilson pick. That's how being a homer destroys all the effort you put in to the channel.
Imo, the next 5 games, give him more reps at DT. Maybe move him to DT next season.
He can be a DT like deforest Buckner. Big, lengthy DT.
Take Chop Robinson from Penn st or Latu from UCLA
Give the guy a break he’s a 19 year old kid still learning to play the position AFTER a major injury…Jalen Carter has been in trouble twice already and he’s still a rookie
12 years of HORRIFIC drafts from Garbage Mark Davis and his dysfunctional front office.
Next 12 years looks like more of the same. 😢
I just cant say anything bad on Tyree. They drafted him knowing he needed a year and Chandler Jones just killed everything. Nobody should be mad at Tyree. Blame Chandler, Ziegler and McDaniels it was their plan/fault Tyree now has to play now
Straight Garbaageee of a Draft..Thank You Dave McDaniels..SMH
if Tyree Wilson stayed at Texas A&M or actually went to TCU, chances are he would have less issues than he does now after Texas Tech, a non Defensive School
Rashad Gary had the same type of rookie year. Let’s have some sort of patience. I get it we would like instant impact at 7. But they decided different. Let the rook grow
He has NO moves. He is SLOW off the ball. You can be ghandi type humble that doesn’t make you mean you are going to develop into a justified number 7 pick.
He's a 4th, 5th round talent. His get off is slow. It's not something you can teach. Either you have it, or you don't. He can try to improve it, but the fast twitch is just not there. He could muscle guys in college but that was college. But maybe it's the Raiders coaching too. Have you seen Cle Ferrell with the 9ers? He's a beast. Looks like a different player.
4th or 5th round talent is insane when coming out some people had him higher than will anderson…. We all knew he was gonna be a project being hurt through OTAS and damn near all of training camp
You can't teach get offs???? Track athletes have to disagree with you. That's one of the very things we are taught in track. How to get off the line and how to do it fast. Its teachable, it's just finding the right person to teach him that.
How is he a 4th or 5th round talent when I a lot of teams had him going before Carter if it wasn’t for the injury we’d probably end up with will Anderson because he would’ve probably went to the Texans
@@GrimRaider666 I said it is something he can work on or improve but a track get off and a football first three steps are different. Very different. He is so clearly slower than even the interior linemen off the ball. He can improve it but it will never be elite or even average or a DE.
unfortunately, I thought the same about Alex Leatherwood
I believe we give him one year cause of the injury and not having training camp. Him being able to learn some pass rush moves from Crosby will be great but he hasn’t looked good at all
He still hurt sanjitT gotta give him til next season to be 100 percent
Wilson has great film tape in college. Seems like the team has him on a pitch count because of his injury.
I was watching tyree against kc and he was very easy to block and very little effort by him. Could have had Carter
Give him time … time is everything let
Him develop
I wasn’t even expecting Tyree to play a lot this season. I always saw him as year two player at best. They drafted him injured cmon now. He was supposed to be a project type player. Stop acting like he wasn’t supposed to learn from Chandler and Maxx this season.
Raiders haven’t drafted a first round beast since Darrell Russell RIP!!
Can't blame Tryee Wilson for being drafted so high, he knew the pick was a reach too! ✅️💯🤮
Most Raider fans didn't want Tyree Wilson another dumb first round pick. Imagined if Raider management would actually pay attention to Raider fans wish list. Raiders would have been Super Bowl contenders a long time ago.
JMD screwed us.. period.
Raiders might as well trade away their 1st rd pick and get their franchise QB cause they just blowing these picks anyways! For a 7th overall pick, Tyree Wilson is a bust! SUPER disappointed that the Raiders did not draft Jalen Carter, dude is a stud DT, which is what Raiders need so badly on the DLine!!
Tyree is all on Mcdaniels/Ziegler. Reaching for your first round draft pick versus going with the obvious slam dunk of a pick in Carter. Even if Wilson ever develops, you had a player that was already better than Wilson and had almost as much potential as Wilson. Glad Mcdaniels is gone, but sad to see us keep wasting our first round pick talents.
Im under the camp thay Wilson will most likely develop. He seems the type of guy that will put in the work. But even if he does turn into a legit top 10 player, it still does not make the pick any better.
If he can work with maxx on his
Hand technique..he would do a lot better.. you can see he got the strength ..just work on you hand and feet skill and you’ll be great.
Jalen Carter should’ve been the pick. I’d bet the decision to pass over him wasn’t based on football but something stupid.
"Thats not good enough" bro thats not good at all period