But you have to remember, Selective schools students are usually the best students from a comprehensive school, so should do well academically anywhere, anyway, but sometimes the environment of a selective school might make them do worse because they are not happy there.
@@rayngmelb Yes, they would do well at their own school but would do even better at a selective school due to extra resource and support from teachers and their peers.
@@mewmewkat True, but it really depends on the mindset of the student going into a Selective School, all the teachers and facilities won't help them if they have the wrong mindset, for some that had been the brightest in their previous school, might find it hard to cope to be the average or even below average at a Selective School. So, while they might be able to handle the academics, they still have to have the right mindset.
Wrong to assume most selective school students are under pressure. For year 7 - 10, there is no subject/Year ranking even on a top AU selective school.
It’s not about academic pressure, it’s certainly not about ranking, it’s about how the students themselves think they are doing compared to their peers. While there is no actual ranking at the schools, they do have a achievement matrix that shows where they are compared with the other students. It’s a lot to do student mindset more than anything else. As I said while my son was more than happy with how he was going compared to his peers, some students who had always perceived themselves as amongst the top of their class can’t accept that they are just average at the school.
@@rayngmelb My kid is very happy to have higher calibre classmates. My kid has two ATAR 99.95 classmates in primary schooling period. One is the tip of those with ATAR 99.95. They are very bright and have a gap in front of my kid. I heard one case that an ATAR 99.95 student had no issue when losing rank 1 in a Year 11 subject. However, his parent had more concern.
@@csho303 So, some of your child's friends from primary school ended up with the top ATAR? In any case, many of the Alumni from my son's former selective school have had the top ATAR, however, some of them didn't actually need it, as they have pre acceptance into their University courses even before they took their VCE exams. Not all selective school students worry about their ATAR, they only really care that they can get into the courses that wanted, at the end of the day it's irrelevant after they get into the courses. Many selective students seem to embrace the various activities and specialized teams at University, teams such as motorsport design, High Powered Rocketry, robotics, Aerospace, Cybersecurity, debating, political clubs, international affairs etc. have a much bigger impact in their future careers than what ATAR they got.
@@rayngmelb In my kid high school, cohort is more important than teachers. My kid has many ATAR 99.95 classmates in high school and University. So far, my kid have happy schooling and are happy in primary school, happier in high school and happiest in University. My kid did not worry about ATAR as ATAR is the least important factor to get into his University course.
The culture in these top-performing schools can be very toxic. In my current degree, I have classmates who come from these elite schools (not necessarily selective schools). To them, getting an ATAR of 90 is considered a failure; They would tease their less-well-performing classmates by saying things like 'Oh, you'll be going into pharmacy with that ATAR. You have no future.' It's just so toxic and damaging to students' self-esteem.
From my experience, I don't believe they are selective schools you are talking about. The term "Elite" schools is not a normal term that is used for state schools in Australia, some private school might consider themselves to be "Elite" however, the school environment in those schools are very different. Anyone that still talks about their ATAR at University will have a hard time to adjust in real world. Quite often you will find those with high ATARs from "Elite" schools are generally the ones that have most difficulties adjusting to university life when they have to do things for themselves, without the spoon-feeding from their teachers.
@@rayngmelb I haven't met enough people to pass comment on your observation but I'll trust you. Terminologies aside, what I'm talking about is a school culture that exists at these schools which can be detrimental to some otherwise very academically capable students.
@@csho303 Not true at all, the GPA you get at Uni is only an indication of how well you might do academically, the employers these days are much smarter, they look at other activities the students had been involved in and what their character is like. In fact some of the big companies around the world are now putting less weight on University degrees, it is now nothing more than an entrance ticket at best or just part of the student’s profile now.
@@rayngmelb I just visited a GP to give me a referral letter to my specialist. After decades from University graduation, he mentioned my specialist is his classmates. My specialist has ATAR 99.95 and he has ATAR 99.9.
Actually, in Victoria it is possible for some TR visas recipients to go to a Selective school, provide their visa allows them to go to a state school, fee free. Check with the department for full details.
@@2012JW Some TRs can go to Selective School, it depends on the policy of each state. In any case, the original idea of the Selective School was to give the "Academically Gifted Students" who are Citizens or Permanent Residents of Australia a chance to extend themselves and to contribute to the future of Australia. How are they being discriminated? They are not Permanent residents or Citizens of Australia.
@@rayngmelb I’m not saying Australians citizens Are being discriminated, I’m saying holders of 188TR are being discriminated, their children areDeprived from receiving a good education even if they’re gifted. But then you are right, they’re not Australians. So it’s just sad.
@@2012JW The privilege of Citizenship, they also get Commonwealth Supported Places at University (Which is a third of the cost of normal fees). At the end of the day, Temporary Residents may not be in Australia long term.
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Is Cairns state high school a selective school?
不是，我哋Cairns呢度無selective school
其實普世價值與大部人的主觀問題決定指向是Ranking最高為目標,,你哋已講出重點
讀書主要是學術為主,首要是
是否隨心所願,我頗為注重仔女的學習態度,校風為最重要😀
入到 selective school 會考成績衰極都有個譜，甚至分數可能因拉 curve 而拉高一啲，有啲熱門學位，atar 爭0.50 都會爭好遠。個人認為雖然話唔好為分數而讀書，但係atar分數高啲，你嘅選擇都會多啲。
But you have to remember, Selective schools students are usually the best students from a comprehensive school, so should do well academically anywhere, anyway, but sometimes the environment of a selective school might make them do worse because they are not happy there.
@@rayngmelb Yes, they would do well at their own school but would do even better at a selective school due to extra resource and support from teachers and their peers.
@@mewmewkat You haven’t watch the video have you? 😅
@@rayngmelb Of course I have. I'm only speaking from my own experience. Everyone's circumstance is different.
@@mewmewkat True, but it really depends on the mindset of the student going into a Selective School, all the teachers and facilities won't help them if they have the wrong mindset, for some that had been the brightest in their previous school, might find it hard to cope to be the average or even below average at a Selective School. So, while they might be able to handle the academics, they still have to have the right mindset.
好片，好分享
Selective schools students 自發好高
Wrong to assume most selective school students are under pressure.
For year 7 - 10, there is no subject/Year ranking even on a top AU selective school.
It’s not about academic pressure, it’s certainly not about ranking, it’s about how the students themselves think they are doing compared to their peers. While there is no actual ranking at the schools, they do have a achievement matrix that shows where they are compared with the other students. It’s a lot to do student mindset more than anything else. As I said while my son was more than happy with how he was going compared to his peers, some students who had always perceived themselves as amongst the top of their class can’t accept that they are just average at the school.
@@rayngmelb My kid is very happy to have higher calibre classmates.
My kid has two ATAR 99.95 classmates in primary schooling period.
One is the tip of those with ATAR 99.95.
They are very bright and have a gap in front of my kid.
I heard one case that an ATAR 99.95 student had no issue when losing rank 1 in a Year 11 subject. However, his parent had more concern.
@@csho303 So, some of your child's friends from primary school ended up with the top ATAR? In any case, many of the Alumni from my son's former selective school have had the top ATAR, however, some of them didn't actually need it, as they have pre acceptance into their University courses even before they took their VCE exams. Not all selective school students worry about their ATAR, they only really care that they can get into the courses that wanted, at the end of the day it's irrelevant after they get into the courses. Many selective students seem to embrace the various activities and specialized teams at University, teams such as motorsport design, High Powered Rocketry, robotics, Aerospace, Cybersecurity, debating, political clubs, international affairs etc. have a much bigger impact in their future careers than what ATAR they got.
@@rayngmelb In my kid high school, cohort is more important than teachers.
My kid has many ATAR 99.95 classmates in high school and University.
So far, my kid have happy schooling and are happy in primary school, happier in high school and happiest in University.
My kid did not worry about ATAR as ATAR is the least important factor to get into his University course.
@@rayngmelb My kid's high school have most of your mentioned activities.
The culture in these top-performing schools can be very toxic. In my current degree, I have classmates who come from these elite schools (not necessarily selective schools). To them, getting an ATAR of 90 is considered a failure; They would tease their less-well-performing classmates by saying things like 'Oh, you'll be going into pharmacy with that ATAR. You have no future.'
It's just so toxic and damaging to students' self-esteem.
From my experience, I don't believe they are selective schools you are talking about. The term "Elite" schools is not a normal term that is used for state schools in Australia, some private school might consider themselves to be "Elite" however, the school environment in those schools are very different. Anyone that still talks about their ATAR at University will have a hard time to adjust in real world. Quite often you will find those with high ATARs from "Elite" schools are generally the ones that have most difficulties adjusting to university life when they have to do things for themselves, without the spoon-feeding from their teachers.
@@rayngmelb I haven't met enough people to pass comment on your observation but I'll trust you.
Terminologies aside, what I'm talking about is a school culture that exists at these schools which can be detrimental to some otherwise very academically capable students.
Your degree course influences your future career which is similar to your well-performing classmates future - no future.
@@csho303 Not true at all, the GPA you get at Uni is only an indication of how well you might do academically, the employers these days are much smarter, they look at other activities the students had been involved in and what their character is like. In fact some of the big companies around the world are now putting less weight on University degrees, it is now nothing more than an entrance ticket at best or just part of the student’s profile now.
@@rayngmelb I just visited a GP to give me a referral letter to my specialist.
After decades from University graduation, he mentioned my specialist
is his classmates.
My specialist has ATAR 99.95 and he has ATAR 99.9.
就算小朋友學術吾錯，但188TR 冇得考selective school, 其實讀selective多數都爛船都有3分釘，同學群壞機會小， 但State school catchment派入，學生夾雜吾同背景，可能有時有心讀書都比同學影響變冇心讀書，魚吾過塘吾肥，始終都要讀過selective, 睇下佢讀吾讀得掂，冇邊一間學校係肯定啱或適合，始終都要試一試，
Actually, in Victoria it is possible for some TR visas recipients to go to a Selective school, provide their visa allows them to go to a state school, fee free. Check with the department for full details.
點解會咁歧視啲188TR? 😂 技術移民的小朋友全部都入到selective school , 仲要係Sydney . 睇嚟辦移民都係靠技術移民好的，起碼小朋友唔會受到歧視。
@@2012JW Some TRs can go to Selective School, it depends on the policy of each state. In any case, the original idea of the Selective School was to give the "Academically Gifted Students" who are Citizens or Permanent Residents of Australia a chance to extend themselves and to contribute to the future of Australia. How are they being discriminated? They are not Permanent residents or Citizens of Australia.
@@rayngmelb I’m not saying Australians citizens Are being discriminated, I’m saying holders of 188TR are being discriminated, their children areDeprived from receiving a good education even if they’re gifted. But then you are right, they’re not Australians. So it’s just sad.
@@2012JW The privilege of Citizenship, they also get Commonwealth Supported Places at University (Which is a third of the cost of normal fees). At the end of the day, Temporary Residents may not be in Australia long term.