What’s the point in bringing out new groupsets when under the current climate you can’t buy the current groupsets?... It’s almost impossible to buy a full groupset from any of the main brands. Even buying single components is almost impossible. Should cycling groupset brands be concentrating on increasing production of current products so we actually have something to buy rather than new groupsets ?......🤔🤔
i think its awesome from a capitalst stand point. The market is literally 3 companies to choose from. sram is forcing the hand of shimano. Good on them. ultegra di2 for over $2000? GTFO with that nonsense. Electronic shifting has been around for years at this point, if you dont try to remain competative, comapanies like sram will take your buisness. They certainly caught my eye with it.
@@MrAidanturvey It's definitely a big step out for Sram, it will be interesting to see the industry response - or at least to see what everyone else has been developing when it arrives!
@@fredfred9000 i’ve always thought it was messed up that these bike brands have been restricting electronic shifting to premium bikes. Electronic is so much better and ideal for new riders, and its just so much easier to setup. The wireless tech and computers running these groupsets really aren’t expensive. The most expensive part is probably the motor that changes gear.
My fear is that if Shimano ultimately decides to come up with 105 di2, it will be the end of affordable mechanical shifting. The bike industry might just kill it off like they did with rim brakes
@@tahmids4082 I don’t know-disc brakes have a performance benefit that means something to a beginner cyclist ((stopping in the wet), whereas I don’t see the market for Sora yearning for mechanical. I’d love to se 105 Di2.
If they release it this year that would mean Shimano has been working on it for months or years already. Have you ever heard of 105 DI2 leaks or rumours? I haven't..
Yeah I saw this coming a mile away, now I wonder if there will be a Rival 12 speed mechanical option since Rival has been 11 speed and could never quite take much of 105s market share away.
Well at the moment you are right, but I actually would wait for Shimano to bring something competitive because the GRX shifters are so much better in terms of geometry compared to the Rival
@@a_aus_pe Not sure I understand? I like the feel of Rival and have had them on more then one bike. Personally I do like the Shimano software better and I think it shift better then SRAM. But for now to be able to convert my mechanical shifters and brakes to electronic for $400 plus whatever derailure I decide on is a great option.
Single sided power for less than $250 is a game changer for power meters. Love my Red AXS and Shimano would have be make Di2 very very special to get me to switch back
I bought a new bike last year. Costs in total :1299 € for a 8,5 kg "Maschine". (with 105 mechanical groupset) I'm happy with my "Old-school" - Not-e-buddy. 4500 km and just a lil tension arrangement needed. Runs like the first day (and looks almost like that 😍) greetz from Hamburg/Germany
I was lucky enough to score a Specialized Tarmac SL7 Comp after the first of the year (after like 3 other bikes were made unavailable due to parts and other shortages) so I wasn't even looking to get into the E-Tap space (was planning on an SL6 eventually) but when this showed up unexpected at my local shop (Reser's Bicycle Outfitters in Newport Kentucky - hey have to support those LBS!) they slapped my name on it knowing it would've been sold in a matter of days. I have only been able to ride it on any rides over 20 miles like 6 times so far this year...winter in Kentucky is NOT great for outside riding) BUT I will say I am so far LOVING this set up. It is smooth, it's deliberate and synching the front and rear derailleur for maximum efficiency going into climbs or whatever is amazing. I am already threatening several local PR segments and its only the first of March. This set up on a decent aero minded bike really is a leap forward....so who has a deal on some carbon wheels?? :)
Yeah, where did the rumored Microspline road groupset go? Last year most bike media was almost certain that 12 speed DA on a microspline hub was coming this year, but the only thing Shimano did for 2021 for groupsets is the Deore MTB groupsets, which are great, I ride Deore 12 speed on my bike and it shifts almost as good as XTR, but the roadies have been a bit neglected.
Yeah but it's weird for SRAM to offer this now, you can't get hold of any existing cycling products as it is. I'm in the UK and was in my local bike shops yesterday, they have 10 sets of Rival AXS on order and are told 1 is coming in June, 2 in August and they wont see the rest of that order until April next year. They also said timeframes are stretching out not contracting. I'm sure latest DA is ready, as it was due last year, but whats the point when things in cycling have a 3 year lifecycle and they wouldn't have been able to deliver many for the 1st year of that cycle. Shimano also had a fire at one of it's factories back in 2018 which had some effect and certainly didn't help. You might as well delay things until supply chains improve - I haven't been able to source DA hydraulic hose kits anywhere in UK, I have even had them on order from the big mail order stores in Germany and Spain and the estimates have gone back twice and it's been over 6 weeks waiting already, just for 2 hoses and some olives!!
@Global Cycling Network you missed out on AXS web / the AXS app and the data it kicks out. Its one of the more interesting innovations where SRAM has really pushed the envelope. As an AXS user its helped me refine my choices for gearing, tire pressure, etc. Arguably its made a bigger difference for me than having 12spd vs. 11spd and definitely higher impact than wireless or electronic. Having this be available on a mid range bike is a game changer.
@@frodo5882 if you have tyrewiz sensors you get tire pressure, power, speed, gear usage, heat rate, etc vs. time or distance in one spot. I suppose you can still get power and tire pressure using those sensors without an AXS group on the AXS web page...
I've been riding Shimano my entire life but now after SRAM releasing Force AND Rival eTap AXS that's changing. I love the simplicity of building a bike with a wireless groupset, the intuitive use, the option of affordable powermeters and in general how modular the entire eTap range is so that you can build exactly the bike that fits your needs. No matter if that includes a 'traidional' 2x set up or a 1x mullet set up that allows you to ride up ridiculously steep gradients on epic gravel adventues.
This is so exciting. I've been shopping around for an endurance bike for a couple of weeks now, and an electronic groupset is at the top of my wishlist. I've been trying to rationalize spending $4k -$6k to get it, but now I don't have to! (Well, in a few months I won't have to.)
I bought a bmc alr disc 2 last Saturday. I've been riding my '89 trek 1000 for the past 4 years. While some may consider my bike, "entry level", I adore the bike. It looks amazing as well. So no, you don't have to spend $5k for something decent.
@@brandonherrera2891 same experience went from a mercie velo de course 1988 to a canyon grail 7.0. I did not know shifting at your levers could feel so good !
Yeah, got a new bike this year for just under $2k CDN this year and I thought I was splurging. Electronic shifting will have to come down quite a bit to make it truly available to the common man.
I'm all in favour of trickle-down tech in cycling... but one of the things I enjoy most about a bicycle is that (in my case) it's purely mechanical and uses basic off-the-shelf parts. When part of my work involves fixing (often flaky) computer issues, I sometimes get tired of how electronics and batteries don't tend to age gracefully. It's why my home computer has reverted back to a wired Ethernet connection and why most of my power tools are corded.
I just bought a Rodeo-Labs gravel bike, and I will be putting this on it. I was going to do Force cable actuated build, but I want to go electric. Very excited by this news!
Did anyone else do a double take at the most horrific helmet-hair on Si's head, only to realize it was the shiny sunglasses reflecting the bright sky? Especially from 11:49 to 11:55 haha
I know it’s a year old but a) love this content as I’m down to a choice of 2 bikes with the rival etap swaying me and b) I love Si doing these kinds of video. He’s hands down the best GCN presenter for ‘new looks’/ ‘how to’ types of videos
Just ordered an Orbea Orca with Rival eTap and I’m sooo excited. Upgrading from 105 and I’ve been dying to try out electronic shifting. Definitely looks like a good deal that doesn’t sacrifice much.
its great to b able to come back to this video, as I'm just about purchase my first new bike with electronic group set, SRAM is top pf my list even with with 105 now out and wild, cheers GCN
Just picked up a YT Szepter Core 3 with Rival 1x XPLR and Rudy XPLR fork for about $2500 new. I love the feel and how amazing the Rival setup is especially at this price!
First reaction is: Great! They are bringing electronic shifting to a more affordable price point! But when you think about it carefully, you will be paying £1500 for a groupset that weights 3kg... A disk brake bike in the £2500 range with this groupset will surely be around 10kg, and that sort of money would buy you a sub 6.8kg mechanical RED equipped bike a few years ago. Sure I agree with Si that midrange bikes nowadays can be extremely capable machines, but it is also true they cost the same kind of money top of the range bikes used to cost not long ago...
30 minutes after news broke out of Rival axs and friends already asking me where we can get this😂....am a fully Sram convert guy because of this...Si though, he’s the best gcn presenter for these kind of things
Third video today in 'recommendations' covering this product...SRAMs advertising wing really wants this to be seen. Production on yours was best of the three.
One of the advantages of 1st generation was that if you just bought RD,FD and shifters (+chargers batteries etc) you could stick it on any bike that took 11 speed. No longer. Do you need the whole shebang? Adding chain and cassette - yeah, ok. but some questions that have to been addressed, what rear hub specs are necessary for 12 speed cassettes, do you need a crankset, what BBs do the crankset fit? Mildly concerning if I was a customer with "some" money to spend.
I know you were paid by SRAM to make this but it's much better than the Cycling Tips video on the same subject, they got there quicker but you guys did a way better job and gave more info in a shorter time. Funny also that people in the comments here are quite keen on it, whereas the Shimano fanboys got proper stuck in on Cycling Tips. Affordable electronic shifting is a much needed step in the cycling industry. Far easier to maintain, very reliable now and all you need to do is make sure it's charged, can't be that hard. And hopefully it will lead to mechanical groups decreasing in price like Di2 did for Ultegra mechanical, that's a good thing.
Damn optimistic thinking it's easier to find a lithium AAA around the house than a CR2032. You're even more likely to be able to find a CR2032 at your supermarket than a lithium AAA.
Never once have I ever thought of switching too SRAM, until today. Electronic shifting is just way too pricey by Shimano. This more budget friendly option by SRAM is going to kill the Groupset of the people 105. Shimano need to bring out a 105 Di2 ASAP. Otherwise they're going to lose their stranglehold on the Groupset market Edit: SRAM have the best looking Cranksets by a mile imo
I have older Habanero 2010 bike I want to upgrade the Groupo. Looking seriously at this or Force. I like the fact that I don't have to drill hole in the frame for Shimano and I believe the SRAM will be quicker to get also.
Everyone talking about costs and no one is listening to Si - no one buys a groupset in itself... so when you buy your next bike you have a choice example; Canyon Ultimate 105 = 2.4k Canyon Ultimate Rival Etap = MAYBE 2.5 or 2.6k ish Which would you choose? (If you say mechanical you are just wrong)
You can build a rim brake version if you really want to by using red or force axs rim shifters and calipers paired with rival axs chainset, FD and RD, chain and cassette
@@herrdaniel7607 you didn't get me. That's precisely what I meant. Why would anyone "end their friendship" with Shimano over Rival when Ultegra Di2 is cheaper than Rival?
To all Gravel minded guys - SRAM also put a WIDE option on the market which introduces 2x crankset + front DR that can take up to 2.1' tyres. For the price of GRX. But wireless. RIP GRX
From @SRAMroad on twitter in regards to Rival eTap AXS being “disc brakes only” - “Still compatible with rim brakes if you pair the Rival drivetrain with Force or Red AXS rim brake controls.”
Which just means having to use Force or Red brifters. They assumed most buyers would likely opt for disc, so ditched the rim option to keep the development costs down. The rim brakes days are numbered, even Froome is on disc this year and seems to be a convert after riding rim his entire career before.
Do you really think so? Check out SRAM turnover v Shimano. Check out Shimano equipped bikes in the pro peloton v SRAM. Wait for a Shimano announcement re 105 and then comment how scared they are.
@UCgMX35kJxzykZTGDJCx8P7w You’re kinda illustrating my point. Shimano is waaaay bigger than SRAM because they have multiple products over all price points with top quality manufacturing and have excellent r and d. This market domination allows them to spend money showcasing their products in the pro peloton. Campag and SRAM just do not come close. Campag can claim to be a “Boutique” brand happy with their staunch followers but neither pose any threat to Shimano’s dominance. I’m not at all happy with this as I prefer rim brakes and Shimano are steering us all toward unnecessary disc brakes in a Road bike application. 🤷🏻♂️
Personally I REALLY hope Di2 stays wired. So much better than eTap and what is the hassle? If you buy your bike built up you don't have the hassle of building it. I build up all my bikes and it's easy to install. The one big battery on Di2 lasts so much longer and if you run out its your own stupid fault, I ride quite a lot and charge up every few months just to be sure and it's no less than about 60% when I do so
I can't find any detailed video on how to bleed (or re-bleed) new 2021 Sram Rival eTap AXS brakes. Particularly where on calipers should be connected syringes and what is the port (standard or edge)? All Sram video instructions are outdated (for old models).
Thanks a lot for the wonderful video. Could you please confirm if the rear derailleur is RIVAL RD MAX 36T ? Does this support the 10-36 cassette? Thanks a lot.
Excellent vid Simon - as always very thorough and straight to the exact questions I have in mind! I agree with your analysis - looks fantastic and checks off a staggering number of wants / needs / must haves.......IMO this is the begging of the end of mechanical groupsets (yeah I said it!) especially when you consider how much easier it is to install and how immune it is from the (many) issues that come up with good old cables, including routing them at tight angles through new headset and handlebar designs that are clearly leading the charge these days. If you want to put everything inside a frame / make them completely out of view, Electronic groupsets are the way to go. Best new product from SRAM every IMO. The only question you didn't address that I think is especially pertinent these days: Availability and lead time!? I fear it will be very hard to get your hands on these sets than we care to discuss - even getting a chain from Sram these days is a 4-6 month delay for some models (the whole industry is reeling though admittedly - not picking on just SRAM of course). I want - but when can I have ?!?!?!?!
beautiful and would be useful if SRAM would make Rival as 11 speed with normal cassette and with rim brake option. I'd love to ditch cables on older bike (which I don't want to change) - but there is no options unless older eTap (still very expensive and looks like only 2nd hand these days).
You could go 12 speed with just a driver change, if your hub has an XD-R option, or lace on a new hub with an XD-R driver. Assuming the bike uses the same rear axle width as modern 11 speed shimano.
Kinda expecting they gonna release something for their centennial anniversary but so far no clue at all. Heard rumour that next gen 105 di2 pretty much gonna be current gen ultegra di2 but 12 speed
Really? Do you think this has come as a surprise to Shimano? Do you think SRAM equip more bikes than Shimano? Stand by for 105 di2 which will skin SRAM. I really like the sram wireless system but their cranks are awful
*1200 for 1x and w/out power meter isn't bad. And if that's expensive, then it's not for you. But in the realm of electronic shifting, it's pretty "affordable" although I will stick to mechanical for now until the price drops further.
If i ever buy expensive Groupset for my aluminum alloy road bike i would take the SRAM eTap axs wireless RD and SRAM eTap axs wireless FD because their wireless my aluminum alloy bike don't have full internal cabling for electronic groupset at the back then i would take FSA crankset and SRAM chain or kmc chain then SRAM cassette 11-30t
Si couldn't be more wrong, I cannot find AAA/AA battery but have plenty flat ones, all thanks to sensors, power meters, kitchen and fat-a#s scale etc. 😜
Peculiar that they didn't offer it for rimbrake. There are a lot of older frames that can't use DI2 because they don't have internal cable routing... This would have solved it, but alas.
What’s to stop them from changing the chip again in two years? Then you are left not being able to find replacements when you break a derailleur on a gravel ride and have to buy a whole new groupset. Glad to see electronic groupset at this price point, but I still can’t justify it personally.
I am puzzled by the price tags that does not seem to be in conformity with the foreign exchange rates. Is it simply that SRAM sells the groupset cheaper in the USA?
What do you think of Rival eTap? Let us know 👇
It looks great
First
What’s the point in bringing out new groupsets when under the current climate you can’t buy the current groupsets?...
It’s almost impossible to buy a full groupset from any of the main brands. Even buying single components is almost impossible.
Should cycling groupset brands be concentrating on increasing production of current products so we actually have something to buy rather than new groupsets ?......🤔🤔
i think its awesome from a capitalst stand point. The market is literally 3 companies to choose from. sram is forcing the hand of shimano. Good on them. ultegra di2 for over $2000? GTFO with that nonsense. Electronic shifting has been around for years at this point, if you dont try to remain competative, comapanies like sram will take your buisness. They certainly caught my eye with it.
@@MrAidanturvey It's definitely a big step out for Sram, it will be interesting to see the industry response - or at least to see what everyone else has been developing when it arrives!
3:03 "if you press both levers together, you take a screenshot!"
Simon "some of my best friends are mechanical groupsets" Richardson
But I fully agree with him and I really like how he presents.
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this groupset is 3 kgs and my 105 with hydraulic is 2.4 kgs which is crazy , if Shimano release a 105 di2 then its game on !!!
Now waiting for 105 Di2
shimano have no choice to release a di2 105 after that
@@fredfred9000 i’ve always thought it was messed up that these bike brands have been restricting electronic shifting to premium bikes. Electronic is so much better and ideal for new riders, and its just so much easier to setup.
The wireless tech and computers running these groupsets really aren’t expensive. The most expensive part is probably the motor that changes gear.
@@fredfred9000 They better. Shimano's been gutted by SRAM in the wireless/electronic department
My fear is that if Shimano ultimately decides to come up with 105 di2, it will be the end of affordable mechanical shifting. The bike industry might just kill it off like they did with rim brakes
@@tahmids4082 I don’t know-disc brakes have a performance benefit that means something to a beginner cyclist ((stopping in the wet), whereas I don’t see the market for Sora yearning for mechanical. I’d love to se 105 Di2.
Well this increases my hope for 105 Di2 this year. Would be perfect for the bike models next year then.
If they release it this year that would mean Shimano has been working on it for months or years already. Have you ever heard of 105 DI2 leaks or rumours? I haven't..
For sure, this would be huge for shimano!
Would be nice if 12 speed as well
Just go Ultegra di2, still cheaper and your bike's worth it!
I just hope they dont take the 10t approach... but honestly current gen di2 ultegra is just more than enough. Just need price drop 😂
Si accelerating during the opening sequence makes me wonder if he's getting ready for Team Trial vs Peloton
Everything I need to know on the first 2min but I watched the whole thing. The video quality is amazing! Thanks guys!
Si is the only GCN host who would push 250+ W uphill while talking just to put the workout in!!
That dark green Orbea is siccc!
Quality and cinematography on videos like this is second to none. GCN are the best in the business. Thank you guys!
Rival AXS hydraulic shifters plus Eagle AXS RD and Eagle cassette is now the ultimate gravel mullet! Thanks @GCN
Specially with the GX wireless.Oh what a timing
Yeah I saw this coming a mile away, now I wonder if there will be a Rival 12 speed mechanical option since Rival has been 11 speed and could never quite take much of 105s market share away.
@@mrvwbug4423 They're probably gonna drop that when shimano dura ace/ultegra di2 12 speed will come to market
Well at the moment you are right, but I actually would wait for Shimano to bring something competitive because the GRX shifters are so much better in terms of geometry compared to the Rival
@@a_aus_pe Not sure I understand? I like the feel of Rival and have had them on more then one bike. Personally I do like the Shimano software better and I think it shift better then SRAM. But for now to be able to convert my mechanical shifters and brakes to electronic for $400 plus whatever derailure I decide on is a great option.
Single sided power for less than $250 is a game changer for power meters.
Love my Red AXS and Shimano would have be make Di2 very very special to get me to switch back
I bought a new bike last year. Costs in total :1299 € for a 8,5 kg "Maschine". (with 105 mechanical groupset) I'm happy with my "Old-school" - Not-e-buddy. 4500 km and just a lil tension arrangement needed. Runs like the first day (and looks almost like that 😍) greetz from Hamburg/Germany
But now, you could buy a 1x Rival AXS group set for the same price... regrettable. 😀
I was lucky enough to score a Specialized Tarmac SL7 Comp after the first of the year (after like 3 other bikes were made unavailable due to parts and other shortages) so I wasn't even looking to get into the E-Tap space (was planning on an SL6 eventually) but when this showed up unexpected at my local shop (Reser's Bicycle Outfitters in Newport Kentucky - hey have to support those LBS!) they slapped my name on it knowing it would've been sold in a matter of days. I have only been able to ride it on any rides over 20 miles like 6 times so far this year...winter in Kentucky is NOT great for outside riding) BUT I will say I am so far LOVING this set up. It is smooth, it's deliberate and synching the front and rear derailleur for maximum efficiency going into climbs or whatever is amazing. I am already threatening several local PR segments and its only the first of March. This set up on a decent aero minded bike really is a leap forward....so who has a deal on some carbon wheels?? :)
Shimano resting on it’s laurels in 2021 not yet releasing the new DA, meanwhile SRAM out here releasing new Rival and GX AXS products 👌🏼🙌🏼
Yeah, where did the rumored Microspline road groupset go? Last year most bike media was almost certain that 12 speed DA on a microspline hub was coming this year, but the only thing Shimano did for 2021 for groupsets is the Deore MTB groupsets, which are great, I ride Deore 12 speed on my bike and it shifts almost as good as XTR, but the roadies have been a bit neglected.
@@mrvwbug4423 its coming
It's a Japanese company. And also it's their top end groupset. It'll be out when it's ready.
Heard somewhere that a Shimano had a fire and everything is behind schedule. Just a rumor I heard...
Yeah but it's weird for SRAM to offer this now, you can't get hold of any existing cycling products as it is. I'm in the UK and was in my local bike shops yesterday, they have 10 sets of Rival AXS on order and are told 1 is coming in June, 2 in August and they wont see the rest of that order until April next year. They also said timeframes are stretching out not contracting.
I'm sure latest DA is ready, as it was due last year, but whats the point when things in cycling have a 3 year lifecycle and they wouldn't have been able to deliver many for the 1st year of that cycle. Shimano also had a fire at one of it's factories back in 2018 which had some effect and certainly didn't help. You might as well delay things until supply chains improve - I haven't been able to source DA hydraulic hose kits anywhere in UK, I have even had them on order from the big mail order stores in Germany and Spain and the estimates have gone back twice and it's been over 6 weeks waiting already, just for 2 hoses and some olives!!
Considering that the whole cycling industry has increased prices by approximately 70% in the last five years this is a major shock!
@Global Cycling Network you missed out on AXS web / the AXS app and the data it kicks out. Its one of the more interesting innovations where SRAM has really pushed the envelope. As an AXS user its helped me refine my choices for gearing, tire pressure, etc. Arguably its made a bigger difference for me than having 12spd vs. 11spd and definitely higher impact than wireless or electronic.
Having this be available on a mid range bike is a game changer.
What does it tell you about tire pressure?
@@frodo5882 if you have tyrewiz sensors you get tire pressure, power, speed, gear usage, heat rate, etc vs. time or distance in one spot. I suppose you can still get power and tire pressure using those sensors without an AXS group on the AXS web page...
I've been riding Shimano my entire life but now after SRAM releasing Force AND Rival eTap AXS that's changing. I love the simplicity of building a bike with a wireless groupset, the intuitive use, the option of affordable powermeters and in general how modular the entire eTap range is so that you can build exactly the bike that fits your needs. No matter if that includes a 'traidional' 2x set up or a 1x mullet set up that allows you to ride up ridiculously steep gradients on epic gravel adventues.
This is so exciting. I've been shopping around for an endurance bike for a couple of weeks now, and an electronic groupset is at the top of my wishlist. I've been trying to rationalize spending $4k -$6k to get it, but now I don't have to! (Well, in a few months I won't have to.)
Absolutely! Best get your order in sharp though and hope that UK gets a decent allocation.
I agree! Except...
the problem is bike are so hard to find these days
The entire Rival eTap AXS groupset will still cost you about 1300-1400 pounds - so not that cheap.
I bought a bmc alr disc 2 last Saturday. I've been riding my '89 trek 1000 for the past 4 years. While some may consider my bike, "entry level", I adore the bike. It looks amazing as well. So no, you don't have to spend $5k for something decent.
@@brandonherrera2891 same experience went from a mercie velo de course 1988 to a canyon grail 7.0. I did not know shifting at your levers could feel so good !
Bikes with this group set will still cost at least $5,500 in Canada. That's still high end if you ask me.
I could buy a really nice super moto for that 🤔😝
@@Tara_Masika oh yes! Like your style...supermotos rock
Yeah, got a new bike this year for just under $2k CDN this year and I thought I was splurging. Electronic shifting will have to come down quite a bit to make it truly available to the common man.
They will also weight over 9kg
High end is more the the double of 5500.
I'm all in favour of trickle-down tech in cycling... but one of the things I enjoy most about a bicycle is that (in my case) it's purely mechanical and uses basic off-the-shelf parts.
When part of my work involves fixing (often flaky) computer issues, I sometimes get tired of how electronics and batteries don't tend to age gracefully. It's why my home computer has reverted back to a wired Ethernet connection and why most of my power tools are corded.
105 Di2? Please Shimano please
I just bought a Rodeo-Labs gravel bike, and I will be putting this on it. I was going to do Force cable actuated build, but I want to go electric. Very excited by this news!
Enjoy the 20 extra devices that you need to charge periodically lol
@@diviscadilek1764 Ever have to charge your phone or laptop? About that easy. You can use any USB charger.
@@diviscadilek1764 MOST people won't have to charge this once a month😂
good luck getting hold of it! My LBS here in UK have 10 sets ordered, they are told 1 coming end of June, 2 in August and the rest next April!!!
Did anyone else do a double take at the most horrific helmet-hair on Si's head, only to realize it was the shiny sunglasses reflecting the bright sky? Especially from 11:49 to 11:55 haha
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I know it’s a year old but a) love this content as I’m down to a choice of 2 bikes with the rival etap swaying me and b) I love Si doing these kinds of video. He’s hands down the best GCN presenter for ‘new looks’/ ‘how to’ types of videos
Just ordered an Orbea Orca with Rival eTap and I’m sooo excited. Upgrading from 105 and I’ve been dying to try out electronic shifting. Definitely looks like a good deal that doesn’t sacrifice much.
You're going to LOVE it! At least I have so far
@@Shawnakin68 yes it’s been awesome! Shifting is so crispy & reliable.
The whole GCN crew is on those new Wahoo Speedplays now lol
Sponsorship... At least the Wahoo computers
@@anderssaxkristoffersen1091 Just waiting for that Wahoo Speedplay power meter video.
apart from the final shots in front of the water where he's back on Looks...
I think the whole of the presenters have their own faves, cassette bearings are a big + on the new speedplays !
its great to b able to come back to this video, as I'm just about purchase my first new bike with electronic group set, SRAM is top pf my list even with with 105 now out and wild, cheers GCN
Have fun! Let us know how you get on 🙌
as it should!
SRAM axs 12 speed chains last forever. Over 7000 miles on mine and not at .5 wear yet. Only ride in good weather though.
Point to SRAM. I hope this will force Shimano to release a 105 Di2 soon.
105 di2 is coming... but it costs as much as a dura-ace used to be
Just picked up a YT Szepter Core 3 with Rival 1x XPLR and Rudy XPLR fork for about $2500 new. I love the feel and how amazing the Rival setup is especially at this price!
Great Review! I might be buying a Roubaix Comp with this groupset soon. Thank you for the great review and all of your excellent content.
I have this set up on my Tarmac and it is great
0:55 sick 🔥🔥
First reaction is: Great! They are bringing electronic shifting to a more affordable price point! But when you think about it carefully, you will be paying £1500 for a groupset that weights 3kg... A disk brake bike in the £2500 range with this groupset will surely be around 10kg, and that sort of money would buy you a sub 6.8kg mechanical RED equipped bike a few years ago. Sure I agree with Si that midrange bikes nowadays can be extremely capable machines, but it is also true they cost the same kind of money top of the range bikes used to cost not long ago...
Be nice if we see a lighter simpler Ultegra Di2 groupset.
Imagine the weight of a TT bike with this groupset 11/12kgs
30 minutes after news broke out of Rival axs and friends already asking me where we can get this😂....am a fully Sram convert guy because of this...Si though, he’s the best gcn presenter for these kind of things
Thanks for changing your video ratio, GCN! I can now view full screen on my minimal bezel smartphone without cropping 🍺🍺🍺
Sweet. Haven't upgraded my groupset on my gravel/allroad bike for 5 years. This could be the one.
Third video today in 'recommendations' covering this product...SRAMs advertising wing really wants this to be seen. Production on yours was best of the three.
This guy is the best on this channel. He is well informed, mature and pleasant to listen to
Best presenter....his voice is soothing
One of the advantages of 1st generation was that if you just bought RD,FD and shifters (+chargers batteries etc) you could stick it on any bike that took 11 speed. No longer. Do you need the whole shebang? Adding chain and cassette - yeah, ok. but some questions that have to been addressed, what rear hub specs are necessary for 12 speed cassettes, do you need a crankset, what BBs do the crankset fit? Mildly concerning if I was a customer with "some" money to spend.
I have a Gravel with Rival eTap absolutely love it.
Excellent news, looking forward to pairing the Rival shifters with the GX derailleur on my 1x gravel bike.
That bike looks amazing.
I know you were paid by SRAM to make this but it's much better than the Cycling Tips video on the same subject, they got there quicker but you guys did a way better job and gave more info in a shorter time. Funny also that people in the comments here are quite keen on it, whereas the Shimano fanboys got proper stuck in on Cycling Tips. Affordable electronic shifting is a much needed step in the cycling industry. Far easier to maintain, very reliable now and all you need to do is make sure it's charged, can't be that hard. And hopefully it will lead to mechanical groups decreasing in price like Di2 did for Ultegra mechanical, that's a good thing.
Damn optimistic thinking it's easier to find a lithium AAA around the house than a CR2032. You're even more likely to be able to find a CR2032 at your supermarket than a lithium AAA.
That’s damn nice for this price! Especially wireless
But I am still waiting for 105 Di2
That might be the best looking bike i have ever seen
Hopefully this will push Shimano on the 105 side of things. However I honestly think they'll work out the totally wireless bit first.
Very nice! I will look for it in my next bike. Thankful for trickle down technology
Never once have I ever thought of switching too SRAM, until today. Electronic shifting is just way too pricey by Shimano. This more budget friendly option by SRAM is going to kill the Groupset of the people 105.
Shimano need to bring out a 105 Di2 ASAP. Otherwise they're going to lose their stranglehold on the Groupset market
Edit: SRAM have the best looking Cranksets by a mile imo
I have older Habanero 2010 bike I want to upgrade the Groupo.
Looking seriously at this or Force.
I like the fact that I don't have to drill hole in the frame for Shimano and I believe the SRAM will be quicker to get also.
I want this groupset!
Sounds like GCN has some pretty noisy motorbikes you're filming from! Any thoughts of going quiet and electric?
I guess we might see 105 Di2 soon, then. :)
Man this Looks bling 💎👌🏼😍😍
Amazing value! Very excited for this To become available.
Everyone talking about costs and no one is listening to Si - no one buys a groupset in itself... so when you buy your next bike you have a choice
example;
Canyon Ultimate 105 = 2.4k
Canyon Ultimate Rival Etap = MAYBE 2.5 or 2.6k ish
Which would you choose?
(If you say mechanical you are just wrong)
Ultegra di2 & save 1kg bike weight?
You can build a rim brake version if you really want to by using red or force axs rim shifters and calipers paired with rival axs chainset, FD and RD, chain and cassette
great video - got me thinking about Rival axs and a bike that has it.
Glad to hear the new group set is more compatible with small hands, but how about for thick ankles?
Friendship with Shimano ended. Sram is now my best friend.
for the same money as Ultegra Di2?
@@ThisIsANameBruh how are they the same price
@@herrdaniel7607 you didn't get me. That's precisely what I meant. Why would anyone "end their friendship" with Shimano over Rival when Ultegra Di2 is cheaper than Rival?
@@ThisIsANameBruh wait how much do they retail for?
I love ULTEGRA Di2. So im sticking with that.
Fantastic bit of kit for the bike, I’m using sram for years not a bother.
The ad I got was a Sram Rival eTap AXS commercial xD
To all Gravel minded guys - SRAM also put a WIDE option on the market which introduces 2x crankset + front DR that can take up to 2.1' tyres. For the price of GRX. But wireless. RIP GRX
THAT WHOLE BIKE ! Have you seen that? Wow
If I had the money for it, I would be riding Rival eTap AXS as soon as possible.
Cheaper wireless shifting? After fishing for my shifter cables for 1.5 hours it does sound nice
From @SRAMroad on twitter in regards to Rival eTap AXS being “disc brakes only” - “Still compatible with rim brakes if you pair the Rival drivetrain with Force or Red AXS rim brake controls.”
Which just means having to use Force or Red brifters. They assumed most buyers would likely opt for disc, so ditched the rim option to keep the development costs down. The rim brakes days are numbered, even Froome is on disc this year and seems to be a convert after riding rim his entire career before.
Group Prices: From $1,190 (1x no power meter) to ($1,639 2x with power meter)
Component Prices: Front derailleur- $175 (no battery), rear derailleur- $255 (no battery), crank- $130 (1x no power) to $349 (2x with power), cassette- $125, chain $30, shift-brake- $400/pair, rotors- $50/each, eTap derailleur battery- $55/each
Weights: Front derailleur- 180g (with battery), rear derailleur- 366g (with battery), crank- 844g (2x no power), cassette- 282g (10-30), chain- 266g (120 links), shift-brake- 845g (pair, with calipers), rotors- 315g (pair, 160mm Paceline Centerlock)
Imagine if the new dura ace is still 11 speed and wired, they'd be crapping their pants about now.
Do you really think so? Check out SRAM turnover v Shimano. Check out Shimano equipped bikes in the pro peloton v SRAM. Wait for a Shimano announcement re 105 and then comment how scared they are.
this group is 3kg, despite being wireless. I'll have 11 speed if it keeps the cost & weight down
@UCgMX35kJxzykZTGDJCx8P7w You’re kinda illustrating my point. Shimano is waaaay bigger than SRAM because they have multiple products over all price points with top quality manufacturing and have excellent r and d. This market domination allows them to spend money showcasing their products in the pro peloton. Campag and SRAM just do not come close. Campag can claim to be a “Boutique” brand happy with their staunch followers but neither pose any threat to Shimano’s dominance. I’m not at all happy with this as I prefer rim brakes and Shimano are steering us all toward unnecessary disc brakes in a Road bike application. 🤷🏻♂️
Personally I REALLY hope Di2 stays wired. So much better than eTap and what is the hassle? If you buy your bike built up you don't have the hassle of building it. I build up all my bikes and it's easy to install. The one big battery on Di2 lasts so much longer and if you run out its your own stupid fault, I ride quite a lot and charge up every few months just to be sure and it's no less than about 60% when I do so
Disc brake only. End of discussion. 🤣
I can't find any detailed video on how to bleed (or re-bleed) new 2021 Sram Rival eTap AXS brakes. Particularly where on calipers should be connected syringes and what is the port (standard or edge)? All Sram video instructions are outdated (for old models).
Powermeter for $250 fits my Sram force crankset---NICE
Just bought the Force AXS Spider one for 450$...
Will it fit non axs crank? 🧐
According to DC Rainmaker the pm is not too promising...
Makes a grand for Garmin Rally look a bit pricey.
@@dedge12858 someone must be a Garmin loyalist to pay $1200 for powerpedals when the Faveros are $550
Thanks a lot for the wonderful video. Could you please confirm if the rear derailleur is RIVAL RD MAX 36T ? Does this support the 10-36 cassette? Thanks a lot.
Excellent vid Simon - as always very thorough and straight to the exact questions I have in mind! I agree with your analysis - looks fantastic and checks off a staggering number of wants / needs / must haves.......IMO this is the begging of the end of mechanical groupsets (yeah I said it!) especially when you consider how much easier it is to install and how immune it is from the (many) issues that come up with good old cables, including routing them at tight angles through new headset and handlebar designs that are clearly leading the charge these days. If you want to put everything inside a frame / make them completely out of view, Electronic groupsets are the way to go. Best new product from SRAM every IMO. The only question you didn't address that I think is especially pertinent these days: Availability and lead time!? I fear it will be very hard to get your hands on these sets than we care to discuss - even getting a chain from Sram these days is a 4-6 month delay for some models (the whole industry is reeling though admittedly - not picking on just SRAM of course). I want - but when can I have ?!?!?!?!
beautiful and would be useful if SRAM would make Rival as 11 speed with normal cassette and with rim brake option. I'd love to ditch cables on older bike (which I don't want to change) - but there is no options unless older eTap (still very expensive and looks like only 2nd hand these days).
You could go 12 speed with just a driver change, if your hub has an XD-R option, or lace on a new hub with an XD-R driver. Assuming the bike uses the same rear axle width as modern 11 speed shimano.
wait for the rim brake version
You can probably wait a long time. I guess the groupset won't come for rim brakes.
Can you make a video about a mullet option for gravel bikes with the new GX MTB groupset? Maybe a video for GCN Tech
The only reason I care about Sram is that they keep Shimano prices in check.
If there was a rim brake option I would buy the hell outta this 😪
Amazing Orbea Build…Would love for featured bike and kit detail specs to be listed in description…
Your the best at these videos Si !
Shimano is probably freaking out right about now😂
Kinda expecting they gonna release something for their centennial anniversary but so far no clue at all. Heard rumour that next gen 105 di2 pretty much gonna be current gen ultegra di2 but 12 speed
@@RudiDwiHartanto I’m going to hand myself if they do
did you even watch the video? This groupset costs the same as Ultegra Di2. Why would Shimano even care?
Really? Do you think this has come as a surprise to Shimano? Do you think SRAM equip more bikes than Shimano? Stand by for 105 di2 which will skin SRAM. I really like the sram wireless system but their cranks are awful
probably not as they have components that actually work ;)
$1600 is Not a budget groupset!
All relative of course. Budget “Electronic Wireless” group set. :)
*1200 for 1x and w/out power meter isn't bad. And if that's expensive, then it's not for you. But in the realm of electronic shifting, it's pretty "affordable" although I will stick to mechanical for now until the price drops further.
I cant wait to get this on a Trek Emonda SLR6
If i ever buy expensive Groupset for my aluminum alloy road bike i would take the SRAM eTap axs wireless RD and SRAM eTap axs wireless FD because their wireless my aluminum alloy bike don't have full internal cabling for electronic groupset at the back then i would take FSA crankset and SRAM chain or kmc chain then SRAM cassette 11-30t
Great value power meter option there, looks the business too.
Campa has had their third tier Chorus groupset wireless for some years now.
105 di2 next. Time for the groupset of the people to move into the modern age!
Nice video! It's a shame Orbea's all out of stock. I'm currently looking for my n+1 and really wanted one.
Just got it in a checkpoint sl6
lol, if you shift both levers, shifts your front derailleur, super intuitive. yeah.
Si couldn't be more wrong, I cannot find AAA/AA battery but have plenty flat ones, all thanks to sensors, power meters, kitchen and fat-a#s scale etc. 😜
Digging the green orbea
Peculiar that they didn't offer it for rimbrake. There are a lot of older frames that can't use DI2 because they don't have internal cable routing... This would have solved it, but alas.
will this fore their mechanical group sets to drop in price?
What’s to stop them from changing the chip again in two years? Then you are left not being able to find replacements when you break a derailleur on a gravel ride and have to buy a whole new groupset. Glad to see electronic groupset at this price point, but I still can’t justify it personally.
how does shifting work on 1x? Is it still the same, just no pressing left and right at the same time?
I am puzzled by the price tags that does not seem to be in conformity with the foreign exchange rates. Is it simply that SRAM sells the groupset cheaper in the USA?