Thank you Joseph! I appreciate your comments. I also use the angle finder on the table saw and the bandsaw. A very handy tool. Thanks for watching, Gary
We’ll just wanted you to know I had watched this before and either I was distracted or I wasn’t listening. BUT, I watched and listened closely and I HAVE IT!!! Thanks for being so patient with your elders.
Thank you Gil! At least 3 of those are home built scrapers. Two were framing chisels with really nice steel. Another was a jointer or planer blade as I recall. Something I made years ago at work for a special job. Take care, Gary
Well I wish I could swear here; but that’s not how the world works anymore. So, read between the lines assume amazement and awe. Your description regarding how to “see the angle, vs. what the digital meter shows”. WOW light coming on moment. Needless to say, thanks you.
Thanks Robert! Do you have CBN wheels? Because things will change with a stone wheel that wears out. Although you could recheck every time you dressed the wheel off. Gary
That was great to finally get a better idea as to how to set up the platform and everything and also including what angle nrs’s should be ground to. Great information. I have yet to see a video explaining that process as well as you did hear. Thanks a lot Gary for sharing. I know what I’ll be doing soon lol.
Hi Gary. Very similar to what I do. My take away today was using the digital angle finder to make the table setting repeatable, genius! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the negative rake scraper information. I think it's time I make one, and your explanation was really clear. I think I'm ready to following it.
Thank you Tom! I pretty much learned on scrapers and that is all we used at work. More accurate when you have to produce a wood patterns with a close tolerance. But they do come with a catch now and then. The NR scraper produces a nicer finish as well. Take care, Gary
Thanks Gary I too have been wondering about the NRS. I ground one the other day after watching you use yours on your videos. Before I ground it, it cut great. After I ground it, it won't cut hot butter in the sun. I was pretty bummed. What I did was use the same angle (whatever that is) and just flipped it over and ground the other side. I'll regrind it now after I measure what I've got right now. Thanks for sharing your techniques. RP
Just wondering and making sure. You do have the burr on the top right? If not it will not cut very good at all. That works the same on a normal scraper as well. Take care, Gary
thanks gary . i am still learning alot about turning and one of my weakest points is sharpening . so i watch alot of videos on it to learn all i can . this was a good one . i been wanting to make a neg rake scraper for a while for the inside of bowls and boxes . i have been using carbide scrapers if you turn them a little bit you get a neg rake . but i think a real neg rake scraper would be better . now i know the angles . thanks alot buddy .
Glad it helped Bryan. I know angles can become confusing based on how you measure them. When I tilt a table saw blade I think of how many degrees off of 90 it is. Just the opposite with the grinder platform. Take care, Gary
Hi Gary, A bonus video. Great instructional video for NR Scrapers especially the tip regarding the angle of the table needs to include the distance from the grinder. Take care my friend and looking forward to Friday. You get a shout out with Rav on this weeks video as I'm adapting something you have both done. Not saying anymore, you'll have to wait until Thursday, if it works out. LOL. Cheers, Huw
Thank you Huw I am glad you liked it. This Friday will not be the big one I am working on but something I finished a month ago. Glad I have a few ahead...right now is not a good time to be turning. Take care, Gary
Very informative video. I’m glad you grind both sides at the same angle because that’s what I’ve been doing, although I’m not sure what the actual angle is, I just grind it the same each time.
ThePapa1947 I have seen some grind their negative rake scrapers to different angles with the included angle being less than 90. I never understood what difference it would make. Thanks again for the video.
Hi Gary, I just re-watched this great video. Was wondering what tools you use to make your scrapers? Do you buy scrapers and then grind or just use HSS Steel and make the handles. Thanks
Hi Van, So I have 2 scrapers I bought that were already ground as scrapers. I ground the top to make them negative rake. I have some I made at work out of Stellite steel. A very hard steel. Those I used for years at work and now for wood turning bowls and things. Those I made handles for. Then I have taken old framing chisels and made scrapers out of them. Any good piece of steel can be turned into a scraper easily. Hope that helps, Gary
What do you suggest for a "first scraper" purchase - brand, style? There are so many our there, and they can be expensive so I want to buy well. Will use mostly for bowls. Thx!
I bought this one and the 1" version as well. Very reasonable price and they work just fine. They come as a standard scraper but all you need to do is grind the top the same as the bottom and you have a fine negative rake scraper. Or you can leave it and use it as a scraper. But negative rake does not grab like a standard one will and it leaves a better finish. www.pennstateind.com/store/LX130.html
Gary, assume for a minute that the angles are correct but that you need to put on a new burr, do you grind the top angle last or the underside angle last? Kevin
Very good question Kevin. What I do is only grind the top angle. After doing that for maybe 6 times I flip it over and then grind what has become the new bottom angle. By doing that I am always just grinding one side. This keeps them about the same length. When first got the tool I just ground a little on the top to avoid grinding too much away. I have now got them about equal length and like them that way. Thanks for watching and the queston. Gary
Thank you for watching. Two of the scrapers came from PSI which is a web site that sells turning equipment. I also buy from Rocklers which is a woodworking store. Both can be found on the web. I also made 3 or 4 of those scrapers from old chisels.
Gary, glad you did this video. It almost slipped by me. I have probably a stupid question though. You say you have 40 degrees on top and bottom angles. How do you keep the 40degree but have a long swept back on one side and shorter one on the other side? That’s what has bugged me. Thanks again for sharing! Stay safe!
Thanks! Well I grind the short side about every 5th time I grind the long side. It might make sense to have them both about the same and then when you resharpen every other side when needed. Take care, Gary
I am sure you can do it Habeeb. Just make sure you get it before grinding all the metal down to the handle LOL. Just kidding my friend, I am sure you have no problems. Take care, Gary
Hi Dave, I use the nose to get into tight areas such as where the sides blend into the bottom. And the sides of my scraper have gentle curves. You do not want a flat edge as that will be taking to wide of a cut. I hope that answers you question. Even on all my spoke shaves I put a slight radius on the blade. Thanks for watching, Gary
The thing of it is you need to grind something that measures 40 then check the reading with the angle finder. What ever that is you use to make a 40 degree grind. That all has to do with wheel diameter and the height of the grinding platform. On my 36.7 will be what it needs to read to grind the tool at 40 degrees. If the tilting axis of the platform was on the same axis as the grinding wheel then I should work the way you asked about. Hope this makes sense. Gary
Thank you Ken...I think I have seen people use leaf springs. But no the 2 on the left were framing chisels. You know I just remembered I did not show the monster scraper I have. Not it does not have the NR grind on it..YET Take care, Gary
I feel like such a potato, but here goes.. What makes it a negative rake scraper, and does that mean you can also have a possitive rake scraper ? I have a lot to learn, but I've always said you're never to old to learn (Except spelling lol, just in case theres any grammer police here)
A negative rake is where you have a second grind going the opposite way of the way a tool is normally ground. Which is removing material leaving less than it had or a negative amount. I suppose a positive rake would just be the one angle but it would not have that name. Well I was always good with math and so so good with spelllin a gramer! LOL. I rely on the spell check to help me out. And yes there will be the grammar police. Especially when I try and pronounce some wood like Padauk and Jarrah. But I listen and learn. Thanks for watching, Gary
@@ThePapa1947 Thank you for that. So from what you have just said, using a "normal" wood chissle as an example, although it has 2 angles to its grind they are both on the same side and the "back" is flush. (maybe a possitive rake?) Where as the negative rake you showed sharpening is cut from both sides. And the carbide cutters I have seen you sometimes use only have a single angle ground on them ? P.s. I have just watched your jig making upload, big thumbs up from me, excellent video !
It's called Geometry. That means angle of approach equals angle of cut. But you keep selling your negative rake idea. Works for non professionals,@@ThePapa1947
That was great to finally get a better idea as to how to set up the platform and everything and also including what angle nrs’s should be ground to. Great information. I have yet to see a video explaining that process as well as you did hear. Thanks a lot Gary for sharing. I know what I’ll be doing soon lol.
Absolutely perfect. Straight to the point. No unnecessary info. Love the angle finder to make it easy to repeat the grind.
Thank you Joseph! I appreciate your comments. I also use the angle finder on the table saw and the bandsaw. A very handy tool.
Thanks for watching,
Gary
We’ll just wanted you to know I had watched this before and either I was distracted or I wasn’t listening. BUT, I watched and listened closely and I HAVE IT!!! Thanks for being so patient with your elders.
No problem and happy to help.!
Once again, you've given your viewers a video packed with useful information and techniques.
Many thanks!
Thanks so much Jerry, very happy you found it useful.
Take care,
Gary
Thank you Gary. Good information. This video goes into my private playlist with tips and explanations. Always handy to look back again later.
Frank.
Thank you very much Frank. I have a playlist myself that I refer to. If I see something I like it ends up there.
Take care,
Gary
Exactly the information I've been looking for on sharpening a negative rake scraper. Thank you!
Thank you Ed and I am happy it was helpful.
Take care,
Gary
Yep, got all that. About to start grinding soon, so I'll be back a couple of times for reference. Cheers Gary, Stewart, south west Australia.
Thank you Stewart. Have fun!
Gary
Very helpful. I just got a NRS for Christmas.
Thanks and happy it was helpful. The NRS is a very hand tool.
Best of luck,
Gary
One of favourite tools so thanks for the refresher on how to sharpen one.
You are welcome Alan and thanks for watching.
Gary
Best tutorial. Thank you
Thank you very much Craig, I appreciate the comment.
Take care,
Gary
Thanks, Gary...I plan to turn one of my round nose scrapers into a negative rake scraper.
You will really like it when you do.
Gary
Thank you Gary! I've wondered how you got such good looking tools.
Thank you Gil! At least 3 of those are home built scrapers. Two were framing chisels with really nice steel.
Another was a jointer or planer blade as I recall. Something I made years ago at work for a special job.
Take care,
Gary
Well I wish I could swear here; but that’s not how the world works anymore. So, read between the lines assume amazement and awe. Your description regarding how to “see the angle, vs. what the digital meter shows”. WOW light coming on moment. Needless to say, thanks you.
Thank you Fredrick. I appreciate your comments. And I read between the lines lol.
Take care,
Gary
Loved the video, Bought a digital angle finder, changed out my tool rest to a steel one. Love the idea.
Thanks Robert! Do you have CBN wheels? Because things will change with a stone wheel that wears out. Although you could recheck every time you dressed the wheel off.
Gary
That was great to finally get a better idea as to how to set up the platform and everything and also including what angle nrs’s should be ground to. Great information. I have yet to see a video explaining that process as well as you did hear. Thanks a lot Gary for sharing. I know what I’ll be doing soon lol.
Well thank you very much Scott I appreciate your kind words. I am happy it has helped you to understand how I do it.
Take care my friend,
Gary
Hi Gary. Very similar to what I do. My take away today was using the digital angle finder to make the table setting repeatable, genius! Thanks for sharing
Thank you Gord and also you need to put a mark on the platform slide to get it in the exact spot as well.
Thanks for watching.
Gary
Thanks for the negative rake scraper information. I think it's time I make one, and your explanation was really clear. I think I'm ready to following it.
Glad it was helpful! Good luck with yours.
Take care,
Gary
Very useful info here. I will save this for sure. Thanks!!!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Take care,
Gary
Good info is always appreciated. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Dave I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Gary
Thanks Gary! Very much appreciated.
No problem Scott, hope it helped.
Take care,
Gary
Thanks Gary. That was very useful. I haven't converted to nrs yet (old school!) but have been thinking of doing it. This helps. Stay safe.
Thank you Tom! I pretty much learned on scrapers and that is all we used at work. More accurate when you have to produce a wood patterns with a close tolerance. But they do come with a catch now and then.
The NR scraper produces a nicer finish as well.
Take care,
Gary
very helpful thanks Gary
Thank you Steven I am happy it helped.
Take care,
Gary
Thanks Gary
I too have been wondering about the NRS. I ground one the other day after watching you use yours on your videos. Before I ground it, it cut great. After I ground it, it won't cut hot butter in the sun. I was pretty bummed. What I did was use the same angle (whatever that is) and just flipped it over and ground the other side. I'll regrind it now after I measure what I've got right now.
Thanks for sharing your techniques.
RP
Just wondering and making sure. You do have the burr on the top right? If not it will not cut very good at all.
That works the same on a normal scraper as well.
Take care,
Gary
Hi Gary...good informative video...thank you... take care...All the best.....Andy
Thanks Andy I appreciate the comment.
Take care,
Gary
Very interesting. Thank you for explaining to me and others.
Glad it was helpful!
Take care,
Gary
Thanks for the info Gary.
You bet and thanks for watching Tim.
Take care,
Gary
Very helpful information.
Glad you think so! And thanks for watching Mark.
Take care,
Gary
Good video, Gary!
Thank you Rick. I am sure it has done but I had a special request and I thought it would be fun.
Take care,
Gary
Wow, that’s very helpful thanks for sharing
You are so welcome Mike and thanks for watching.
Thanks for your service as well.
Take care,
Gary
Thanks for the great information.
Thank you Dean I am glad it helped.
Take care,
Gary
Nice to see how you sharpen your tool. Take care my friend
Thank you so much Sagar!
Be safe my friend,
Gary
thanks gary . i am still learning alot about turning and one of my weakest points is sharpening . so i watch alot of videos on it to learn all i can . this was a good one . i been wanting to make a neg rake scraper for a while for the inside of bowls and boxes . i have been using carbide scrapers if you turn them a little bit you get a neg rake . but i think a real neg rake scraper would be better . now i know the angles . thanks alot buddy .
You are very welcome dark!
You take care,
Gary
Excellent demonstration, Gary! Very well explained, buddy. 👍👍👍
Thank you Gord it was fun to do and happy it was understandable.
Stay safe my friend,
Gary
Thanks for the great tips Gary, always a bonus, stay safe, John
Thank you John I am glad you liked it.
Take care,
Gary
thank you for your sharing, 👍👍👍 learning,😀😀
Thank you! Cheers!
Gary, Thanks, Jim
Thank you for watching Jim.
Take care,
Gary
Excellent and very helpful thank you 👏👏👏👏
Glad it was helpful! And thanks for watching.
Gary
A superb demonstration there Gary, as always mate you are a constant source of info and inspiration .
Cheers, Bram
Many thanks Bram I appreciate your support and your kind words.
Take care my friend,
Gary
Very helpful, thanks!
Thank you very much Lisa. Glad it was helpful!
Take care,
Gary
Thank you Gary. Just the info I was looking for. It's helped me a lot.
Glad it helped Bryan. I know angles can become confusing based on how you measure them. When I tilt a table saw blade I think of how many degrees off of 90 it is. Just the opposite with the grinder platform.
Take care,
Gary
Good info and well explained, buddy. Great job!
Phil
Thanks Phil. I am happy James ask me to make the video.
It was fun to do.
Gary
Hi Gary, A bonus video. Great instructional video for NR Scrapers especially the tip regarding the angle of the table needs to include the distance from the grinder. Take care my friend and looking forward to Friday. You get a shout out with Rav on this weeks video as I'm adapting something you have both done. Not saying anymore, you'll have to wait until Thursday, if it works out. LOL. Cheers, Huw
Thank you Huw I am glad you liked it. This Friday will not be the big one I am working on but something I finished a month ago. Glad I have a few ahead...right now is not a good time to be turning.
Take care,
Gary
@@ThePapa1947 Hi Gary, I'm really sorry to hear that. I sincerely hope everything is ok. Take care Gary. Huw
Thank you for this. So you want a burr on this. Learn something new everyday
Thank you for watching Chris. yes the burr is what does the cutting. You will know when it is time to renew it.
Take care,
Gary
Спасибо. Это полезная информация.
Пожалуйста, я рад, что это помогает.
Gary
Thanks Gary. That was very helpful thanks for sharing
Stay safe.dave
Glad it was helpful Dave!
Take care,
Gary
You are the best
😊👍
Thank you so much 😀 Always appreciate having you watch Theodore.
Take care,
Gary
Very informative video. I’m glad you grind both sides at the same angle because that’s what I’ve been doing, although I’m not sure what the actual angle is, I just grind it the same each time.
Glad it was helpful! Only makes sense to me to use the same angle.
Thanks for watching.
Gary
ThePapa1947 I have seen some grind their negative rake scrapers to different angles with the included angle being less than 90. I never understood what difference it would make. Thanks again for the video.
Great tips
Thank you Chris I am glad you liked them.
Gary
Thanks Gary.
Very welcome Manjit and thanks for watching.
Gary
Nice tip Gary, thanks. What grit wheel do you use for sharpening your scrapers?
I have 80 and a 350 grit CBN wheels
I generally use the 80 grit for the scrapers
Makes a nice burr.
Thanks for watching,
Gary
Hi Gary, I just re-watched this great video. Was wondering what tools you use to make your scrapers? Do you buy scrapers and then grind or just use HSS Steel and make the handles. Thanks
Hi Van, So I have 2 scrapers I bought that were already ground as scrapers. I ground the top to make them negative rake.
I have some I made at work out of Stellite steel. A very hard steel. Those I used for years at work and now for wood turning bowls and things. Those I made handles for.
Then I have taken old framing chisels and made scrapers out of them. Any good piece of steel can be turned into a scraper easily.
Hope that helps,
Gary
What do you suggest for a "first scraper" purchase - brand, style? There are so many our there, and they can be expensive so I want to buy well. Will use mostly for bowls. Thx!
I bought this one and the 1" version as well. Very reasonable price and they work just fine. They come as a standard scraper but all you need to do is grind the top the same as the bottom and you have a fine negative rake scraper. Or you can leave it and use it as a scraper.
But negative rake does not grab like a standard one will and it leaves a better finish.
www.pennstateind.com/store/LX130.html
Gary, assume for a minute that the angles are correct but that you need to put on a new burr, do you grind the top angle last or the underside angle last? Kevin
Very good question Kevin. What I do is only grind the top angle. After doing that for maybe 6 times I flip it over and then grind what has become the new bottom angle. By doing that I am always just grinding one side. This keeps them about the same length.
When first got the tool I just ground a little on the top to avoid grinding too much away. I have now got them about equal length and like them that way.
Thanks for watching and the queston.
Gary
Thanks for the info where do you get your turning tools.
Thank you for watching. Two of the scrapers came from PSI which is a web site that sells turning equipment.
I also buy from Rocklers which is a woodworking store. Both can be found on the web.
I also made 3 or 4 of those scrapers from old chisels.
Thanks I am just getting started in wood turning about a yr now. I bought a use craftsman for 75.
Began upgrading when I can.
Perfect!
Great I will show the other one next time I get the chance.
Awesome...
Thank you! Cheers!
Gary, glad you did this video. It almost slipped by me. I have probably a stupid question though. You say you have 40 degrees on top and bottom angles. How do you keep the 40degree but have a long swept back on one side and shorter one on the other side? That’s what has bugged me. Thanks again for sharing!
Stay safe!
Thanks! Well I grind the short side about every 5th time I grind the long side. It might make sense to have them both about the same and then when you resharpen every other side when needed.
Take care,
Gary
Lol let’s see if I could do that right now. after watching you. I am terrible at sharpening tools my friend 😅
I am sure you can do it Habeeb. Just make sure you get it before grinding all the metal down to the handle LOL.
Just kidding my friend, I am sure you have no problems.
Take care,
Gary
@@ThePapa1947 lol I did that already once before 😂😅
Do you zero out your digital angle finder on the tool bench?
Yes I do it right next to the slide rail. The important thing is to zero it in the same spot every time.
ThePapa1947 - Thank You my new friend!
Gary, I’m wondering why you have a somewhat pointed nose on your scraper. Thanks
Hi Dave, I use the nose to get into tight areas such as where the sides blend into the bottom. And the sides of my scraper have gentle curves. You do not want a flat edge as that will be taking to wide of a cut.
I hope that answers you question. Even on all my spoke shaves I put a slight radius on the blade.
Thanks for watching,
Gary
If you properly zero your digital angle finder you can set it to 40.
The thing of it is you need to grind something that measures 40 then check the reading with the angle finder. What ever that is you use to make a 40 degree grind. That all has to do with wheel diameter and the height of the grinding platform. On my 36.7 will be what it needs to read to grind the tool at 40 degrees. If the tilting axis of the platform was on the same axis as the grinding wheel then I should work the way you asked about.
Hope this makes sense.
Gary
You sure that isn't the leaf spring off of a 72 toyota :P also thanks for the tip
Thank you Ken...I think I have seen people use leaf springs. But no the 2 on the left were framing chisels.
You know I just remembered I did not show the monster scraper I have. Not it does not have the NR grind on it..YET
Take care,
Gary
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Thank you
I feel like such a potato, but here goes..
What makes it a negative rake scraper, and does that mean you can also have a possitive rake scraper ?
I have a lot to learn, but I've always said you're never to old to learn (Except spelling lol, just in case theres any grammer police here)
A negative rake is where you have a second grind going the opposite way of the way a tool is normally ground. Which is removing material leaving less than it had or a negative amount.
I suppose a positive rake would just be the one angle but it would not have that name.
Well I was always good with math and so so good with spelllin a gramer! LOL. I rely on the spell check to help me out.
And yes there will be the grammar police. Especially when I try and pronounce some wood like Padauk and Jarrah.
But I listen and learn.
Thanks for watching,
Gary
@@ThePapa1947 Thank you for that.
So from what you have just said, using a "normal" wood chissle as an example, although it has 2 angles to its grind they are both on the same side and the "back" is flush. (maybe a possitive rake?)
Where as the negative rake you showed sharpening is cut from both sides.
And the carbide cutters I have seen you sometimes use only have a single angle ground on them ?
P.s. I have just watched your jig making upload, big thumbs up from me, excellent video !
Machinists like to remove burrs, I've wondered why for wood working a burr is wanted?
Oh yes I have removed lots of burrs from metal parts. With the scrapers the burrs are what do the cutting.
Thanks for watching Mitch!
Take care,
Gary
Learned something new, thanks Papa
I have found that if I lift the handle of my scraper 20 degres up, I have a 20 degree negative scraper. OMG
Sure you do. I have found thinking something does not make it real. But that is fine.
It's called Geometry. That means angle of approach equals angle of cut. But you keep selling your negative rake idea. Works for non professionals,@@ThePapa1947
That was great to finally get a better idea as to how to set up the platform and everything and also including what angle nrs’s should be ground to. Great information. I have yet to see a video explaining that process as well as you did hear. Thanks a lot Gary for sharing. I know what I’ll be doing soon lol.
Thank you Scott I am happy it was helpful.
Take care,
Gary