@@ZeldaVStheworld it was one of (though far from the only) the reasons I decided to get an optic cut p229 over the sp01 or p07 a couple years ago. Sadly, I imagine we’ll get the next version of the p10 before cz revisits its double/single line.
@@nathanbrand1 They’re good guns (and are one of the only options out there for polymer frames DA/SA guns worth having). I prefer the Sig SRT trigger a bit, but the difference is pretty slim.
They should, but if they already HAD to release the Shadow 2 Compact, it would make sense they release it first… because very few people would buy it over an optic ready P-01/P-07, which will not only be half the price, but also have a FPB.
I couldn't agree with Humble more. The P-01 is a fantastic platform. The S2C just seemed like a way to charge double for that platform. Not saying it's bad, but it greatly benefits from the P-01 already being an incredible start bone stock. If you're not an optics on pistol guy, get the P-01 and save some money. You'll love it.
The reason is brand appeal. People want guns that look nice and feel nice and are worth showing off, and we can thank Staccato for starting that trend. The S2C is a finely machined chunk of metal, and it gives CZ fans something that can hold their own against the PDP Match/AXG Legion/M&P Metal in terms of coming out of the safe to exhibit to friends and family. To use your car analogy, you have to remember that most people don't want a race car. They want a race car badge (M/AMG) but they don't want to race, they just want something that makes them look good on their way to the mall. In that context, making a Civic look sporty without actually being sporty is what most of the car industry has been doing for awhile now.
To extend the analogy, most race car badges don't make you drive recklessly (drop the hammer on a loaded chamber) but many people do it anyways. CZ is making a race car and calling it a commuter. It has no decocker it, has no firing pin block, twisted by a crude mockery of advertisement and brand appeal, the shadow 2 compact will never be a carry gun.
@@MrNgMichael Ironically, the Civic Type R is the exception since being manual only filters out most of the normies. The Integra is the one for posers and Reddit architects.
I carry the shadow 2 compact (half cocked, safety off). Optic cut, availability, and weight of it, (metal), and honest outlaws' torture testing. Made me choose it over simarly priced guns, (p365 x legion, exc). A step up over polymer guns, imo, but not quite a staccato c2.
I bought my brand new S2C for $1018 out the door. I would have spent as much or way more to get a p01 optic cut and trigger to as good as the S2C. So, no complaints for me. Either way, both guns are great guns.
I am a CZ Fan!! I have 4 of them - including the P01 Omega as my EDC. I truly thought about the Shadow 2 Compact to replace it but one major feature held be back - the lack of a decocker on the Shadow 2. If I am going to carry, I prefer having a true double action on a hammer then "lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber" - just another layer of safety.
Not being drop safe(no firing pin block) is way more of an issue than manually decocking. I've manually dropped the hammer on my loaded shadow 2 500 puls times in competition not a problem.
I got a P01 Omega. I think its one of those underrated and underappreciated guns. Had my gunsmith cut it for a Holosun 407k, fitted it with a Dpm recoil system and CGW short reset kit with eemantech springs. Great DA/SA gun.
Because it is better looking, sexy, and it shoots great. I recently purchased one and it's my first CZ. This happens to be the most expensive pistol I own and I'm really enjoying it. Should I choose to, I can even conceal this in the Winter time.
I have found much different results in shooting both those guns. I have shot thousands of rounds back to back on a timer doing many different drills. Yes you can come close to performance with the P01. I found the recoil on the S2c to be softer. Return to zero at speed is much better. The trigger is much faster which you would expect considering the DNA of the S2. The biggest performance differential came shooting idpa. This gun just works well in all aspects. It just fits me better and has a closer feel of the P07 than the P01. (No more hammer bite with s2c unlike the p01) Fast double taps is what finally pushed me over the edge s2c was leaps and bounds better I dont like shooting big heavy guns. I run this gun in carry optics and it just sings for me there. All of the debate over the decocker the firing pin safety is very personal. I for one do not see the issue in my day-to-day application. However, some say, if this came out with a decocker and a firing pin block that they would like it so much better. If they did that it would it really be any different than the P01? That being said, my main carry gun is a P07 with about 5k through it. I have and will carry the s2c. One thing I noticed is on the accuracy test you shot the P01 in the Decock position and you lowered the hammer all the way on the shadow 2 compact. I think you gave the P01 a little bit of an advantage there. One of the great things about the omega is the trigger stroke double action feels fairly short and that is a really nice aspect of that trigger system.
So the frames and slides aren’t that different in weight - so difference in perceived recoil is imagined or due to set up on springs. On the website they are less than an ounce different. Reset is shorter for sure but outside of a sporting context that’s not exploitable and I believe most agree 40 oz + is more desireable than 30 with a short grip to pinch your palm on reloads with. If it were a 4” full grip gun with AL frame it would make more sense to me than this spec.
@@TheHumbleMarksman one difference is the recoil spring set up that mimics or is exactly like the P07. I am running factory springs on all 3 pistols. The P07 and S2c have very similar recoil. I think it is more than perceived recoil difference. This could very well be due to recoil assy difference. Running at speed like on a bill drill the difference in my hands is a very stark one. I very much thought they would be very similar. Running a bill drill or double taps was where accuracy really showed a difference. P01. Cgw pro package S2c. 11.5 hammer spring.
I've got both. I like both. I like Shadow 2 Compact better though. P-01Ω has great trigger but Shadow 2 has better. Shadow 2 is optics ready. Shadow 2 has no firing pin block and no related roll pin and thus can be dry-fired without a snap cap as many times as I like. And… I just like it better. Greetings from Prague, Czechia.
CZ pricing varies with the number of pistols actually in the country. I have several CZ’s, but waited until a few months ago to find a reasonably price P-01. It was just under $550, and looking online today, there are plenty of dealers with the same price. During January, I couldn’t find ANY P-01 pistols, and CZ told me they import them in batches. Good Video! 👍👍👍👍
The Omega model is no longer made. If getting a CZ P01 you then need to get a CZ custom or Cajun Gun Works trigger job and then send it to Primary Machine to get the slide milled. You can also buy one all tricked out used. In the end it’s a big PIA to go through the process. It’s a purchase that I keep kicking down the road. Maybe one day but there are many pistols that are ready to go straight from the factory.
Agreed. If I competed with Shadow 2s, which I don't, then I might be inclined to make my carry gun a similarly sized/shaped compact version of my competition gun. But since I don't use shadow 2s, I'm also kicking that purchase down the road.
Or just get a stock P-01. There is nothing wrong with the trigger out of the box. All these people think they need to upgrade their gun, but only shoot 50-150rds per year
@@BigJerm-x3k That's precisely why they upgrade their gun lol. Its the type of guys who shoot a stock Glock trigger a foot low and to the left and then go buy a non-drop safe Timney trigger to shove AIWB
@@BigJerm-x3ki have both and i prefer the standard trigger. i find the omega "snappy" when it breaks. like banging a bat against the ground and getting it up the arm. (or finger in this case). where the standard D trigger is really smooth through, though not easily convertible. okay. i also prefer the decocker orientation on the standard D compact guns.
I purchased an OMEGA from CZ Custom cut for an RMR, upgraded springs, pins, and guide rod…it cost me more than I wanted to pay but I knew they were being discontinued
I have the Shad 2 compact and it shoots great. Best I own. Fantastic trigger and sights. I see no need for an extra optic though I know people like that option.
The things I disliked most about my p-01 (non omega) was the super meh double action trigger and no optic mounting. I also in general prefer to carry cocked and locked. Can’t do that with the original p-01, you can with the omega if you switch out the de-cocker to a safety. To get the p-01 trigger to the same level as the shadow 2 compact you are dropping a few hundred bucks to buy Cajun parts to install yourself, or even more if you send it to them to install, then you gotta send the gun to get optics cut if you want that. A few hundred more, plus weeks of the gun not being in your possession. Factor all that in you are getting damn close to the s2c in price. I’m not saying you can’t shoot a p-01 trigger well, but it’s not as nice as the S2C. No FPB isn’t an issue for me but some folks hate it. The S2C with some extended safety levers is about perfect for what I want out of a compact CZ. Edit: I also want to say this and it always pisses of the uspsa bros, but the fact that you have to de-cock cz’s or similar guns with thumb safeties when they are designed to be carried cocked and locked is super hella mega dumb. One of the many reasons that USPSA as an organization blows donkey dick.
I no longer have my P01, but the grip is shaped a bit different and feels much better on the Shadow to me, and the checkering for me offers a much better grip out of the holster. Fit and finish is wildly better on the Shadow than my old P01. Am I just trying to find positives to justify my purchase and make myself feel better? Maybe... that said, I'm not blown away by the Shadow honestly.
Why does everyone keep comparing the S2C to the inferior model of the P01 and not the OG? Major cringe. These guns have completely different uses as well. The P01 with decocker is designed for carry where as the S2C has none of the features youd want in a carry gun but also doesnt have the features youd want in a target gun. Its in a weird middle ground that isnt needed. Fun fact, you can fully cajunize a P01 for less than an S2C and itll blow the S2C out of the water in ever possible way. Regardless, this sis the most honest comparison ive seen between the two.
Funny it's a 75 and evenone thinks some other model shoots better. If all cz where cajunized they all will be just about the same. Shadow model that is cajunized is just better.
I could be wrong but I really do think that it was never aimed at those who already love the brand. It was purely to get new customers on board, to get someone like myself that has never owned a hammer fired gun into the fold.
have P01 with slide milled for Trijicon night sights; use it as carry gun when doing armed security; have CZ Shadow SP-01 and use only for competition or classes; have new S2C; it also has NO firing pin block thankfully; will put C-MORE RTS3 on when available, thank you thank you CZ
Surprised they don’t ship these with the rami slide stops. Hopefully once they finish their move and merger they finally update their product catalog. With the p01 almost being half the price kinda hard to justify that msrp. Love the content David!
I’m 70 with some great arthritis in my hands, and I played around with one of these compacts in the store and couldn’t rack the side. If there was an optic on the gun I’d probably be able to, which is the case with my 365xl. I prefer a slide like my Nighthawks and Atlas, like glass. Best regards
I'm just the opposite, started with a CZ SP-01 urban tactical, my 2nd CZ was the p10c. I won't buy another polymer framed striker fired gun. I very much prefer the all metal hammer fired guns.
I really just like the look of the S2C over the P01? And I priced the upgrades like a trigger job/red dot cut and the price was about the same. So I purchased the S2C instead of the P01. Now I've got my sights set on a LTT Beretta px4 storm compact
I remember asking you when the shadow 2 compact came out, what the difference was between the two. I’ve been waiting for this video. Unfortunately it came after I bought the shadow compact 😅 great gun though. Got it from gunbroker for 970
I had CGW install a pro package and some nicer irons on my P01 for ~$400, then had Wager cut it for Holosun K optics for $110. Added some Lok grips I got on sale and I'm right around the price of the S2C, but with a trigger that is better than my stock full size Shadow 2 in most respects, i have a proper decocker/firing pin block, and a gun that is still a bit lighter with a red dot mounted than a bone stock S2C. Yea, the S2C looks cool, but that's literally ALL it has going for it for me. Doesn't tempt me in the slightest. I have plenty of other fun range guns that will shoot circles around it anyway.
I had a new Shadow 2 Compact. It was the first ever CZ I didn't like, so I quickly sold it. I definitely prefer the P-01 Omega. Keep up the great videos.
My why: My favorite gun in my collection is my Shadow 2 Orange. It is not a gun i would want to carry. With the introduction to the Shadow 2 Compact, it is now my favorite gun in my collection because i can actually carry it. Your slo-mo video in the beginning did not look the same at all.
The Shadow 2 Compact is all about sex appeal. It's just a sexy CZ pistol. Of course the P01 is a better EDC choice because that's what it was designed for. Another great video from the Sigma Dad 🤙
@@jason91notch Its still a right handed gun. You can learn how to shoot a gun with right handed features, you cant magically make the stock trigger as good on the omega version.
I got one of the last 01 Omegas at a clearance price. A few springs and I have her down to 8 and 3 pounds. Printing low out of the box, I can't tolerate that. Dawson fixed her up (pun intended). Why the Omega system has been regulated to plastic only escapes me.
@@onpsxmember I thought it had something to do with pec muscles... But is the joke about a chicken who is getting ready to have its breast (pecs, I guess) harvested for meat and the chicken wants to impress the butcher? This is isn't a dad joke, it's a dark joke!
I have always wanted a p01 omega. I actually purchased one in 2020 and when I got home from the gun store I opened the box and they had stuck a non omega in an omega box.i called the gun store thinking it was a simple mix up and they told me to kick rocks. Now it looks like they are being discontinued
But wait. Isn’t your P-01 worked over and not stock? That trigger sure didn’t look stock. Also, didn’t the P-01 “decock” to a half cock position where the Shadow 2 Compact was being brought all the way down? Just asking questions…..
I’m glad you put this out. I just picked up a P01 and I already have the shadow 2. My P01 is the sweet OD green model and runs like a top. I think that out of the series (75, shadow 2, P09, P01) the 01 fits best in my hand. There isn’t a reason besides the clout and smoother internals go get the s2 compact. It looks cool and nice but I would rather have a gun dedicated to either duty or gamer use. I so wished CZ would’ve made a stack half micro like everyone else, just to keep them relevant. By now it’s too late.
I wondered exactly the same thing. The only thing I can think of is they saved some manufacturing difficulties by keeping *some* of the tooling the same to make the compact Shadow 2. I currently am carrying my P01. As much as I have tried to move to other platforms the P01 just *works*. It was my main (and only) pistol for a very long time and has been statistically perfect reliability wise, so it's now the backup gat. The lack of a firing pin block and decocker on the Shadow 2 make it a total non starter for me personally as a carry gun.
Your results may vary. The trigger on my S2C was quite a bit smoother and lighter out of the box than my P-01 that's had at least 3000 rounds through it to date. Better fitment on the SC2 as well, and significantly tighter groups.
I'm pretty new to CZ's and shooting, but I feel like if SAO is something you want then s2c is the way to go. At least that's what I did lol. The s2c is my first CZ and I have been really happy with it so far (have shot about 250 rounds as of now)
Thank you for this video. I have looked high and low for someone to make this comparison! I love CZ's, but have the P-01 Omega and just have had a hard time convincing myself to go buy a shadow 2 compact. I'm not big on optics, so I wondered if the trigger was really THAT much better.... I think you answered that question.
Thankyou. I figured there wasn't a real difference that a few upgrades from impact machines co8odnt do with the P01 to make me want the cz shadow 2 which seems to be selling at 1499 in some places. Also, I like the decocker setup on the p01.
I have a P07 and p10s-c-f. Just bought the S2C on a total whim when picking up a Beretta 92x gts. Never shot Sp01, looks sweet buuuuut the look and feel of my S2C is just perfect (for me) no clue why but its far and away my favorite CZ.
P01's are available all over the internet dude..stop believing your own lies to yourself just to justify overspending. Can get P01's brand new alllllll over the internet.
I'd consider an 01 or 75 if they had optic cuts because I think they're close enough for me to the Shadow 2 compact for about half the price as is now. Maybe at add $100-$200 to the current price if it was optics ready? You'd be saving about $300-400.
I don't own a Shadow but am told they are excellent. I do have a P09 and a P10F. Love em both. I guess in short.... CZ just knew they would sell and make them a shit ton of money, lol.
I'm carrying P-01 Omega with the ultralight kit, competition hammer, and the rest of the spring kit and i love it to where i can't justify the S2C. I have a S2O and a S1 and i go between which i like more almost daily.
I’m just going to say it, we needed waaaay more ‘80’s montage music in this video! In all seriousness I heard the justification for the S2 Compact was to provide a “carry” version of the full size S2. I get that the P10 and its iterations are CZ’s unspoken “flagship” guns, but I agree the rest of the line could use an optics ready upgrade. In particular the P-07 and the P-09. DA/SA is at least holding its own, if not enjoying a slight renaissance. Why not try to market those guns for LE/Duty use (the P-09), or the P-07, for concealed carry, for those that prefer a DA/SA gun for AIWB carry. Again I think an updated optic ready version of these guns would go a long way, and that the market is there.😎✌️
If CZ had found a way to put a bull barrel in the shadow 2 compact and gave it better sights and safety (who likes the nearly flush button thing?) they could justify the price, but with the wave of cheaper/budget 2011s coming out if I really wanted a "highspeed go fast carry gun" I could just get a tisas b9r carry or an LFA apollo 11 compact with a prodigy grip + upgrades, or a LTT PX-4....(list goes on)
It’s a great gun. I will probably never carry it. Not because it’s not safe, it’s because I live in Florida so heavier guns don’t get carried much because of my attire. Maybe I’ll carry it during the 4 days of winter that we get.
New into guns and watching gun vids. I always confuse Humble Marksman with Honest Outlaw, they look so alike! Recently purchased a CZ SP01 Shadow 85th Anniversary Limited Ed. Looking to get a CZ S2C soon!
I was always told that once you start modifying the trigger there is a big difference between omega trigger and non (those guys always preferred the 75 compact).
I agree 100% with you, but you do have to understand sales speak the P-01 was probably very low in sales numbers compared to the Shadow 2 which became an iconic Handgun. It just made sense to explain the line of the best selling Handgun They have right now. The real Question is Why they didn’t do Both..!
I have a P01 Omega I sent to Cajun and run it in IDPA in CCP. Love it! My buddy brought his S2 Compact he overpaid for on Gunbroker to the match a few weeks ago and I ran a mag through it and my response was the same. Meh... I don't think the P01 Omega is available anymore. Cajun said I got one of the last ones and it's no longer listed on the CZ USA website either.
Been a big CZ fan for many years. However, been losing faith in CZ-USA in general. Was not happy at all when they did way with the great LE/MIL gun and parts program. These days parts are rarely in stock on the CZ store site and customer service seems to have changed as well. Don't see myself getting rid of my CZs, but really do not think I will be buying anymore.
Your opinion makes sense for you,but not for everyone. Why would anyone buy an older gun and then send it away to have it milled for an optic? After the time and money to send to send it, you are into it for as much as the newer gun anyway makes no sense whatsoever,but you do you.For example Cajun Gun Works charges $365 to mill a slide then you have to get it refinished which costs about $150 depending on the coating, and it takes approximately 6 weeks. the cost of the gun itself was $700+ Which is over $1100 anyway and you can get a Shadow 2 compact for less than MSRP. The prices he gave were incorrect,but he is not looking to buy one.
I compete with Shadow 2s and wanted a similar gun to carry. As soon as I shot the Shadow 2 compact, I knew it wasn’t the carry gun I wanted. (Multiple reasons.) I’ll stay with a CGW P-01.
Interesting video, i was also looking at the S2 compact, I just brought my PCR back out this week, ( anvil RD mount), and added a 2oz brass mag base which really balances the slide/ frame weight ratio, and feels so much better in the hand. Think I will pass on the S2
With factory ammo I do notice less muzzle flip with the S2C. Outside of that, a cajunized P01 is about the same. I also much prefer the non omega trigger system over the omega. You can get better triggers with non-omegas.
Love my s2 full size, recently sold my ts2 because my s2 works so well. The da on the s2 is very good but recently picked up a beretta 92x with a better da trigger, than the s2, crazy.
I mostly agree with David. I think someone described the shadow 2 compact as a "lifestyle" gun and that may be a fair description. I dont really see a very practical justification for the shadow 2 compact eventhough though it seems to be a nice pistol. Im excited for the upcoming revamped cz p10 and the still-secret new pistol from cz said to be coming 2025. And btw, where is that updated cz75b video David? 😅
I bought a Shadow 2 Compact OR because I like the pistol just as it is. The weight is right and the feel is right. I just shot my annual HR 218 qual with it and shot 100% with it. I couldn’t ask for more out of a pistol. I actually shoot my S2 Compact better than my full size Shadow2. Shooting with my S2 Compact is almost cheating with an RMR on it. Yeah it is big for a carry pistol but with the right holster it ain’t bad at all. Maybe I’ll get a P-01 and compare it against my Shadows but I doubt it will shoot one bit better. I only wish the P-01 was OR ready. And it is quite safe for EDC use unless you have butter fingers. Rick H.
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They really should just make optic ready updates of the P01, 07, and 09.
The main reason I don't get an SP-01 or P-01
@@ZeldaVStheworld it was one of (though far from the only) the reasons I decided to get an optic cut p229 over the sp01 or p07 a couple years ago. Sadly, I imagine we’ll get the next version of the p10 before cz revisits its double/single line.
I'd been waiting on reviews like this to decide. I'm thinking P07 with upgraded sights and a Cajun kit
@@nathanbrand1 They’re good guns (and are one of the only options out there for polymer frames DA/SA guns worth having). I prefer the Sig SRT trigger a bit, but the difference is pretty slim.
They should, but if they already HAD to release the Shadow 2 Compact, it would make sense they release it first… because very few people would buy it over an optic ready P-01/P-07, which will not only be half the price, but also have a FPB.
I couldn't agree with Humble more. The P-01 is a fantastic platform. The S2C just seemed like a way to charge double for that platform. Not saying it's bad, but it greatly benefits from the P-01 already being an incredible start bone stock. If you're not an optics on pistol guy, get the P-01 and save some money. You'll love it.
I put a $30 spring kit from MCarbo in my PO1 and it lightened the trigger pull by about 1/3. Great upgrade.
It helped on my po-7 also.
I put the kit in my 75 compact. It definitely lightens up the pull, but the reset is super soft and not very positive.
The reason is brand appeal. People want guns that look nice and feel nice and are worth showing off, and we can thank Staccato for starting that trend. The S2C is a finely machined chunk of metal, and it gives CZ fans something that can hold their own against the PDP Match/AXG Legion/M&P Metal in terms of coming out of the safe to exhibit to friends and family.
To use your car analogy, you have to remember that most people don't want a race car. They want a race car badge (M/AMG) but they don't want to race, they just want something that makes them look good on their way to the mall. In that context, making a Civic look sporty without actually being sporty is what most of the car industry has been doing for awhile now.
You're on it.
They could have done a model that had a purpose and accomplished the same thing.
To extend the analogy, most race car badges don't make you drive recklessly (drop the hammer on a loaded chamber) but many people do it anyways. CZ is making a race car and calling it a commuter. It has no decocker it, has no firing pin block, twisted by a crude mockery of advertisement and brand appeal, the shadow 2 compact will never be a carry gun.
... basically a Civic Type R.... Most people aren't going to track it. But it's desirable.
@@MrNgMichael Ironically, the Civic Type R is the exception since being manual only filters out most of the normies. The Integra is the one for posers and Reddit architects.
I agree. I love the po1. They should just release an optics version.
Irons for life baby
I carry the shadow 2 compact (half cocked, safety off).
Optic cut, availability, and weight of it, (metal), and honest outlaws' torture testing. Made me choose it over simarly priced guns, (p365 x legion, exc). A step up over polymer guns, imo, but not quite a staccato c2.
I bought my brand new S2C for $1018 out the door. I would have spent as much or way more to get a p01 optic cut and trigger to as good as the S2C. So, no complaints for me. Either way, both guns are great guns.
I am a CZ Fan!! I have 4 of them - including the P01 Omega as my EDC. I truly thought about the Shadow 2 Compact to replace it but one major feature held be back - the lack of a decocker on the Shadow 2. If I am going to carry, I prefer having a true double action on a hammer then "lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber" - just another layer of safety.
Yes, totally, it needs a decocker if it's going to be a carry gun.
I agree
Nailed it!!
Not being drop safe(no firing pin block) is way more of an issue than manually decocking. I've manually dropped the hammer on my loaded shadow 2 500 puls times in competition not a problem.
I’m confused. Why are you incapable of lowering it manually? lol.
I got a P01 Omega. I think its one of those underrated and underappreciated guns.
Had my gunsmith cut it for a Holosun 407k, fitted it with a Dpm recoil system and CGW short reset kit with eemantech springs. Great DA/SA gun.
Because it is better looking, sexy, and it shoots great. I recently purchased one and it's my first CZ. This happens to be the most expensive pistol I own and I'm really enjoying it. Should I choose to, I can even conceal this in the Winter time.
Incoming dad joke:
What washes up on tiny beaches?
Microwaves. 😂
don't encourage him
I have found much different results in shooting both those guns. I have shot thousands of rounds back to back on a timer doing many different drills. Yes you can come close to performance with the P01. I found the recoil on the S2c to be softer. Return to zero at speed is much better. The trigger is much faster which you would expect considering the DNA of the S2.
The biggest performance differential came shooting idpa. This gun just works well in all aspects.
It just fits me better and has a closer feel of the P07 than the P01. (No more hammer bite with s2c unlike the p01)
Fast double taps is what finally pushed me over the edge s2c was leaps and bounds better
I dont like shooting big heavy guns. I run this gun in carry optics and it just sings for me there.
All of the debate over the decocker the firing pin safety is very personal. I for one do not see the issue in my day-to-day application.
However, some say, if this came out with a decocker and a firing pin block that they would like it so much better. If they did that it would it really be any different than the P01?
That being said, my main carry gun is a P07 with about 5k through it. I have and will carry the s2c.
One thing I noticed is on the accuracy test you shot the P01 in the Decock position and you lowered the hammer all the way on the shadow 2 compact. I think you gave the P01 a little bit of an advantage there. One of the great things about the omega is the trigger stroke double action feels fairly short and that is a really nice aspect of that trigger system.
So the frames and slides aren’t that different in weight - so difference in perceived recoil is imagined or due to set up on springs. On the website they are less than an ounce different.
Reset is shorter for sure but outside of a sporting context that’s not exploitable and I believe most agree 40 oz + is more desireable than 30 with a short grip to pinch your palm on reloads with. If it were a 4” full grip gun with AL frame it would make more sense to me than this spec.
@@TheHumbleMarksman one difference is the recoil spring set up that mimics or is exactly like the P07. I am running factory springs on all 3 pistols. The P07 and S2c have very similar recoil. I think it is more than perceived recoil difference. This could very well be due to recoil assy difference. Running at speed like on a bill drill the difference in my hands is a very stark one. I very much thought they would be very similar. Running a bill drill or double taps was where accuracy really showed a difference.
P01. Cgw pro package
S2c. 11.5 hammer spring.
I've got both. I like both. I like Shadow 2 Compact better though. P-01Ω has great trigger but Shadow 2 has better. Shadow 2 is optics ready. Shadow 2 has no firing pin block and no related roll pin and thus can be dry-fired without a snap cap as many times as I like. And… I just like it better. Greetings from Prague, Czechia.
I came for the dad joke… stayed for the info😂
CZ pricing varies with the number of pistols actually in the country. I have several CZ’s, but waited until a few months ago to find a reasonably price P-01. It was just under $550, and looking online today, there are plenty of dealers with the same price. During January, I couldn’t find ANY P-01 pistols, and CZ told me they import them in batches. Good Video! 👍👍👍👍
Would like to see a more detailed hands on of the DWX Compact. Thanks for this video comparison!
This!!!!
The Omega model is no longer made. If getting a CZ P01 you then need to get a CZ custom or Cajun Gun Works trigger job and then send it to Primary Machine to get the slide milled. You can also buy one all tricked out used. In the end it’s a big PIA to go through the process. It’s a purchase that I keep kicking down the road. Maybe one day but there are many pistols that are ready to go straight from the factory.
Agreed. If I competed with Shadow 2s, which I don't, then I might be inclined to make my carry gun a similarly sized/shaped compact version of my competition gun. But since I don't use shadow 2s, I'm also kicking that purchase down the road.
Or just get a stock P-01. There is nothing wrong with the trigger out of the box. All these people think they need to upgrade their gun, but only shoot 50-150rds per year
@@BigJerm-x3k That's precisely why they upgrade their gun lol. Its the type of guys who shoot a stock Glock trigger a foot low and to the left and then go buy a non-drop safe Timney trigger to shove AIWB
@@BigJerm-x3ki have both and i prefer the standard trigger. i find the omega "snappy" when it breaks. like banging a bat against the ground and getting it up the arm. (or finger in this case). where the standard D trigger is really smooth through, though not easily convertible. okay. i also prefer the decocker orientation on the standard D compact guns.
I purchased an OMEGA from CZ Custom cut for an RMR, upgraded springs, pins, and guide rod…it cost me more than I wanted to pay but I knew they were being discontinued
I have the Shad 2 compact and it shoots great. Best I own. Fantastic trigger and sights. I see no need for an extra optic though I know people like that option.
The things I disliked most about my p-01 (non omega) was the super meh double action trigger and no optic mounting. I also in general prefer to carry cocked and locked. Can’t do that with the original p-01, you can with the omega if you switch out the de-cocker to a safety. To get the p-01 trigger to the same level as the shadow 2 compact you are dropping a few hundred bucks to buy Cajun parts to install yourself, or even more if you send it to them to install, then you gotta send the gun to get optics cut if you want that. A few hundred more, plus weeks of the gun not being in your possession.
Factor all that in you are getting damn close to the s2c in price.
I’m not saying you can’t shoot a p-01 trigger well, but it’s not as nice as the S2C.
No FPB isn’t an issue for me but some folks hate it.
The S2C with some extended safety levers is about perfect for what I want out of a compact CZ.
Edit: I also want to say this and it always pisses of the uspsa bros, but the fact that you have to de-cock cz’s or similar guns with thumb safeties when they are designed to be carried cocked and locked is super hella mega dumb. One of the many reasons that USPSA as an organization blows donkey dick.
I have a CZ 75 PCR and I love it as my carry gun
I just want the polymer frame Hammer fired pistols to come back
PO7
they just released updated Polymer hammer fired guns the P09 Nocturne series. There's a full size and a compact, both optic ready
I no longer have my P01, but the grip is shaped a bit different and feels much better on the Shadow to me, and the checkering for me offers a much better grip out of the holster. Fit and finish is wildly better on the Shadow than my old P01. Am I just trying to find positives to justify my purchase and make myself feel better? Maybe... that said, I'm not blown away by the Shadow honestly.
Why does everyone keep comparing the S2C to the inferior model of the P01 and not the OG? Major cringe. These guns have completely different uses as well. The P01 with decocker is designed for carry where as the S2C has none of the features youd want in a carry gun but also doesnt have the features youd want in a target gun. Its in a weird middle ground that isnt needed. Fun fact, you can fully cajunize a P01 for less than an S2C and itll blow the S2C out of the water in ever possible way. Regardless, this sis the most honest comparison ive seen between the two.
100% agree
Somebody has a p01 and is tickled lol
Funny it's a 75 and evenone thinks some other model shoots better. If all cz where cajunized they all will be just about the same. Shadow model that is cajunized is just better.
forgot to mention; S2C fully Cajunized with hardened bushing and 11° barrel crown
i have a po9 and i love it. the omega trigger is really good once it breaks in..
I could be wrong but I really do think that it was never aimed at those who already love the brand. It was purely to get new customers on board, to get someone like myself that has never owned a hammer fired gun into the fold.
Can’t they just make the P-07/9 optic ready with a slightly better trigger? Kick MSRP up to $600. I’d buy it
The nocturne
and to add to what Gulliman312 said, still only 550 for the new P09 Nocturne guns (Compact and full size)
have P01 with slide milled for Trijicon night sights; use it as carry gun when doing armed security; have CZ Shadow SP-01 and use only for competition or classes; have new S2C; it also has NO firing pin block thankfully; will put C-MORE RTS3 on when available, thank you thank you CZ
As Tim from MAC said, the older models were better for carry. This is just a downsized competition pistol. Not a gun optimized for safe carry.
Excellent points Tim makes in his video for carry. I really wanted one but couldn't do it not safe.
@@johngordon2929 Tim is wrong about several points in his video.
@@noquartergiven7789Does anyone listen to that shill? The guy isn't a shooter. He's a shiller.
@@johngordon2929Why is it not safe? Light trigger?
@@Shadow__133 also internal safeties removed. Go watch the refenrenced video if you wanna know
Surprised they don’t ship these with the rami slide stops. Hopefully once they finish their move and merger they finally update their product catalog. With the p01 almost being half the price kinda hard to justify that msrp. Love the content David!
I agree.
Why not offer an updated p01 with the optic cut?
Or at least add a decocker instead of just offering a safety?
they could've just put a rail and optic cut on the DWX compact.. and called it a day. imo
They did. It’s out now.
They did and it is amazing. I just picked one up about a month ago and it very quickly became my favorite pistol I own.
I put lok palm swell grips and a holosun dot on my shadow 2 compact and those grips give me a really good purchase on the gun.
What's your glove size?
Large
Being from california I can cope a little easier now knowing my Cajunized P-01 is not that behind a shadow 2 compact!
It is a Production Optics Light gun, but that IPSC division is now gone. It was supposed to compete against polymer guns in that division.
I’m 70 with some great arthritis in my hands, and I played around with one of these compacts in the store and couldn’t rack the side. If there was an optic on the gun I’d probably be able to, which is the case with my 365xl. I prefer a slide like my Nighthawks and Atlas, like glass. Best regards
I Shot The Shadow 2 compact at my local gun range . with the exception of the optic cut, you're right.
I love the hammer fired cz pistols ,but I sold all of mine and just went to the p10c.
I'm just the opposite, started with a CZ SP-01 urban tactical, my 2nd CZ was the p10c. I won't buy another polymer framed striker fired gun. I very much prefer the all metal hammer fired guns.
The gentlemen gunner - missing file 😂
😂😂😂
I really just like the look of the S2C over the P01? And I priced the upgrades like a trigger job/red dot cut and the price was about the same. So I purchased the S2C instead of the P01. Now I've got my sights set on a LTT Beretta px4 storm compact
I remember asking you when the shadow 2 compact came out, what the difference was between the two. I’ve been waiting for this video. Unfortunately it came after I bought the shadow compact 😅 great gun though. Got it from gunbroker for 970
I got the p01 with the Cajun trigger great gun underrated. It feels so comfortable in the hand you don’t even have to think about it.
I'm thinking I will just stick with my my PO7. Nice video
👍 same for me, I'll stick with my P09
I prefer my 2075 RAMI because I don't need a light or a red dot.
I had CGW install a pro package and some nicer irons on my P01 for ~$400, then had Wager cut it for Holosun K optics for $110. Added some Lok grips I got on sale and I'm right around the price of the S2C, but with a trigger that is better than my stock full size Shadow 2 in most respects, i have a proper decocker/firing pin block, and a gun that is still a bit lighter with a red dot mounted than a bone stock S2C.
Yea, the S2C looks cool, but that's literally ALL it has going for it for me. Doesn't tempt me in the slightest. I have plenty of other fun range guns that will shoot circles around it anyway.
I had a new Shadow 2 Compact. It was the first ever CZ I didn't like, so I quickly sold it.
I definitely prefer the P-01 Omega. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks for the video as always...also, props on even getting out to the range; these temps are punishing lately.
My why: My favorite gun in my collection is my Shadow 2 Orange. It is not a gun i would want to carry. With the introduction to the Shadow 2 Compact, it is now my favorite gun in my collection because i can actually carry it.
Your slo-mo video in the beginning did not look the same at all.
The Shadow 2 Compact is all about sex appeal. It's just a sexy CZ pistol. Of course the P01 is a better EDC choice because that's what it was designed for. Another great video from the Sigma Dad 🤙
I wish they still made the omega 😢
Why, its quite literally worse for its intended use compared to the OG model.
@@AdrenalineTheory not for a lefty.
@@jason91notch Its still a right handed gun. You can learn how to shoot a gun with right handed features, you cant magically make the stock trigger as good on the omega version.
@@AdrenalineTheory it has ambi safety/decocker controls. The convertible one does anyway.
I got one of the last 01 Omegas at a clearance price. A few springs and I have her down to 8 and 3 pounds. Printing low out of the box, I can't tolerate that. Dawson fixed her up (pun intended). Why the Omega system has been regulated to plastic only escapes me.
As a mom in the audience I appreciated the chicken joke
Marcy Darcy? I'll see myself out.
Can you explain the joke to me? I'm a dad and I still didn't get it
@@gilbertopadilla3611
Pectoralis (Pecs) are chest muscles, Chickens peck for food. A play on words.
At least that's what I understood.
@@onpsxmember I thought it had something to do with pec muscles... But is the joke about a chicken who is getting ready to have its breast (pecs, I guess) harvested for meat and the chicken wants to impress the butcher? This is isn't a dad joke, it's a dark joke!
@@gilbertopadilla3611
Me thinks you're off track. You're overthinking this too much. There is no butcher in this story. Just the chicken and the gym.
I love my Shadow 2 Compact! Lok grips and SRO
Love the P-01 (non-omega)
Good video and insight. P01 omega is my edc and no plans on replacing it anytime soon!
I still want the S2C but for everyday carry I prefer my OD Green P-01!
I have always wanted a p01 omega. I actually purchased one in 2020 and when I got home from the gun store I opened the box and they had stuck a non omega in an omega box.i called the gun store thinking it was a simple mix up and they told me to kick rocks. Now it looks like they are being discontinued
But wait. Isn’t your P-01 worked over and not stock? That trigger sure didn’t look stock. Also, didn’t the P-01 “decock” to a half cock position where the Shadow 2 Compact was being brought all the way down? Just asking questions…..
I’m glad you put this out. I just picked up a P01 and I already have the shadow 2. My P01 is the sweet OD green model and runs like a top. I think that out of the series (75, shadow 2, P09, P01) the 01 fits best in my hand. There isn’t a reason besides the clout and smoother internals go get the s2 compact. It looks cool and nice but I would rather have a gun dedicated to either duty or gamer use. I so wished CZ would’ve made a stack half micro like everyone else, just to keep them relevant. By now it’s too late.
I’ll continue to carry my 75 Compact or P-07
I wondered exactly the same thing. The only thing I can think of is they saved some manufacturing difficulties by keeping *some* of the tooling the same to make the compact Shadow 2. I currently am carrying my P01. As much as I have tried to move to other platforms the P01 just *works*. It was my main (and only) pistol for a very long time and has been statistically perfect reliability wise, so it's now the backup gat. The lack of a firing pin block and decocker on the Shadow 2 make it a total non starter for me personally as a carry gun.
Your results may vary. The trigger on my S2C was quite a bit smoother and lighter out of the box than my P-01 that's had at least 3000 rounds through it to date. Better fitment on the SC2 as well, and significantly tighter groups.
It did nothing but make CZ more money and it looks pretty lol but i still got one because it felt good in the hand
I'm pretty new to CZ's and shooting, but I feel like if SAO is something you want then s2c is the way to go. At least that's what I did lol. The s2c is my first CZ and I have been really happy with it so far (have shot about 250 rounds as of now)
Thank you for this video. I have looked high and low for someone to make this comparison! I love CZ's, but have the P-01 Omega and just have had a hard time convincing myself to go buy a shadow 2 compact. I'm not big on optics, so I wondered if the trigger was really THAT much better.... I think you answered that question.
I have both and that trigger is in another league vs that po1. Accuracy on the Shadow is just better too.
that is still my carry to this day Cz P01 Omega
CZ definitely has arrived! They have a great deal of talent and ability to create some of the best firearms in the world!❤😊
Thankyou. I figured there wasn't a real difference that a few upgrades from impact machines co8odnt do with the P01 to make me want the cz shadow 2 which seems to be selling at 1499 in some places. Also, I like the decocker setup on the p01.
Probably a Colt engineer made that decision ;-).
Still subbed but holy hell at the commercials. Must’ve been 7-8 on a 12 minute video.
YT got mad at you?
Huh... I only had one come up.
@@TheHumbleMarksman maybe but it was a lot of commercials
@@keness4768 glad you got a good experience lol. I got bombed
Colt has a lot of practice at charging a lot more for minor performance gains.
I have a P07 and p10s-c-f. Just bought the S2C on a total whim when picking up a Beretta 92x gts. Never shot Sp01, looks sweet buuuuut the look and feel of my S2C is just perfect (for me) no clue why but its far and away my favorite CZ.
CZ Shadow 2 Compact. Because I can't buy a P-01 Omega anymore. Ugh.
Great content. Terrible dad jokes. (keep them coming). Best to You and Yours.
P01's are available all over the internet dude..stop believing your own lies to yourself just to justify overspending. Can get P01's brand new alllllll over the internet.
I'd consider an 01 or 75 if they had optic cuts because I think they're close enough for me to the Shadow 2 compact for about half the price as is now. Maybe at add $100-$200 to the current price if it was optics ready? You'd be saving about $300-400.
You should do a comparison between the LTT px4 storm and a CGW P01 or P07
I don't own a Shadow but am told they are excellent. I do have a P09 and a P10F. Love em both. I guess in short.... CZ just knew they would sell and make them a shit ton of money, lol.
I'm carrying P-01 Omega with the ultralight kit, competition hammer, and the rest of the spring kit and i love it to where i can't justify the S2C. I have a S2O and a S1 and i go between which i like more almost daily.
I’m just going to say it, we needed waaaay more ‘80’s montage music in this video!
In all seriousness I heard the justification for the S2 Compact was to provide a “carry” version of the full size S2.
I get that the P10 and its iterations are CZ’s unspoken “flagship” guns, but I agree the rest of the line could use an optics ready upgrade. In particular the P-07 and the P-09. DA/SA is at least holding its own, if not enjoying a slight renaissance. Why not try to market those guns for LE/Duty use (the P-09), or the P-07, for concealed carry, for those that prefer a DA/SA gun for AIWB carry. Again I think an updated optic ready version of these guns would go a long way, and that the market is there.😎✌️
If CZ had found a way to put a bull barrel in the shadow 2 compact and gave it better sights and safety (who likes the nearly flush button thing?) they could justify the price, but with the wave of cheaper/budget 2011s coming out if I really wanted a "highspeed go fast carry gun" I could just get a tisas b9r carry or an LFA apollo 11 compact with a prodigy grip + upgrades, or a LTT PX-4....(list goes on)
It’s a great gun. I will probably never carry it. Not because it’s not safe, it’s because I live in Florida so heavier guns don’t get carried much because of my attire. Maybe I’ll carry it during the 4 days of winter that we get.
I’d personally choose the Omega in a heartbeat. Shadow 2 Compact is just very cool.
New into guns and watching gun vids. I always confuse Humble Marksman with Honest Outlaw, they look so alike! Recently purchased a CZ SP01 Shadow 85th Anniversary Limited Ed. Looking to get a CZ S2C soon!
He’s the ginger- I’m the ravishingly handsome one
I was always told that once you start modifying the trigger there is a big difference between omega trigger and non (those guys always preferred the 75 compact).
I agree 100% with you, but you do have to understand sales speak the P-01 was probably very low in sales numbers compared to the Shadow 2 which became an iconic Handgun. It just made sense to explain the line of the best selling Handgun They have right now.
The real Question is Why they didn’t do Both..!
I still roll with the ol heavy steel cz75 compact. Not the pcr and 01 aluminum varient. The weight dosent bother me cause i eat meat.
I have a P01 Omega I sent to Cajun and run it in IDPA in CCP. Love it! My buddy brought his S2 Compact he overpaid for on Gunbroker to the match a few weeks ago and I ran a mag through it and my response was the same. Meh...
I don't think the P01 Omega is available anymore. Cajun said I got one of the last ones and it's no longer listed on the CZ USA website either.
Been a big CZ fan for many years. However, been losing faith in CZ-USA in general. Was not happy at all when they did way with the great LE/MIL gun and parts program. These days parts are rarely in stock on the CZ store site and customer service seems to have changed as well. Don't see myself getting rid of my CZs, but really do not think I will be buying anymore.
Your opinion makes sense for you,but not for everyone. Why would anyone buy an older gun and then send it away to have it milled for an optic? After the time and money to send to send it, you are into it for as much as the newer gun anyway makes no sense whatsoever,but you do you.For example Cajun Gun Works charges $365 to mill a slide then you have to get it refinished which costs about $150 depending on the coating, and it takes approximately 6 weeks. the cost of the gun itself was $700+ Which is over $1100 anyway and you can get a Shadow 2 compact for less than MSRP. The prices he gave were incorrect,but he is not looking to buy one.
Great review!
I compete with Shadow 2s and wanted a similar gun to carry. As soon as I shot the Shadow 2 compact, I knew it wasn’t the carry gun I wanted. (Multiple reasons.) I’ll stay with a CGW P-01.
Total miss by cz. They should have just made the steel frame p01 be a constant option and optic ready the slides for p01. Done deal.
Interesting video, i was also looking at the S2 compact, I just brought my PCR back out this week, ( anvil RD mount), and added a 2oz brass mag base which really balances the slide/ frame weight ratio, and feels so much better in the hand. Think I will pass on the S2
With factory ammo I do notice less muzzle flip with the S2C. Outside of that, a cajunized P01 is about the same. I also much prefer the non omega trigger system over the omega. You can get better triggers with non-omegas.
Love my s2 full size, recently sold my ts2 because my s2 works so well. The da on the s2 is very good but recently picked up a beretta 92x with a better da trigger, than the s2, crazy.
Ive always wanted to see someone compare the P01 omega, P01 Cajunized and a P01 custom shop. (Which is what I have)
But imagine a Honda Civic that was built by Colt.
I mostly agree with David. I think someone described the shadow 2 compact as a "lifestyle" gun and that may be a fair description. I dont really see a very practical justification for the shadow 2 compact eventhough though it seems to be a nice pistol. Im excited for the upcoming revamped cz p10 and the still-secret new pistol from cz said to be coming 2025. And btw, where is that updated cz75b video David? 😅
I bought a Shadow 2 Compact OR because I like the pistol just as it is. The weight is right and the feel is right. I just shot my annual HR 218 qual with it and shot 100% with it. I couldn’t ask for more out of a pistol. I actually shoot my S2 Compact better than my full size Shadow2. Shooting with my S2 Compact is almost cheating with an RMR on it. Yeah it is big for a carry pistol but with the right holster it ain’t bad at all. Maybe I’ll get a P-01 and compare it against my Shadows but I doubt it will shoot one bit better. I only wish the P-01 was OR ready. And it is quite safe for EDC use unless you have butter fingers.
Rick H.