1980: The IRISH in ENGLAND | Nationwide | Classic Celebrity Interview | BBC Archive
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- Nationwide examined what it's like to be Irish in England, with Terry Wogan and Maeve Binchy reflecting on their own experiences.
The programme looked at how the Irish in London lived on a dream. Some came over to England but never assimilated, while others decided to make it their home. Nationwide also visited the Irish Centre in London, a place which helps people to find their feet in the city.
Clip taken from Nationwide, originally broadcast on BBC One, Monday 4 February, 1980.
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How many of us miss dear old Terry on Radio 2?
Absolutely, I know I do. Him and Ken Bruce were the best by far on Radio 2. He used to have me in stitches sometimes listening to the Janet & John stories! I recorded three weeks worth of Wake Up To Wogan years ago and still listen to them from time to time. Terry, Pauly, Fran Godfrey, John Marsh, and Alan Dedicoat were great fun to listen to 🙂
Radio 2 is shite now!
Terry was the absolute master.
@@TranceTrousersYes, those names were pure gold. I really miss the late Paul Walters. The chemistry between him and Terry was wonderful and their similar personalities were so compatible. (laid back, respectful of each other and so funny). Happy days. Also the prog was a great mood lifter on the way to a job I loathed!
For sure, he was brilliant, great interviews and calming voice❤❤❤.
God Bless the Irish Centre, I was homeless until the Irish Centre helped me.
I lived in Camden Square...
When was that?
As a Geordie living in the South of England I know what it’s like to stand out and to perhaps be an outsider with my Northern accent and working class background. A stigma certainly follows you. I love the Irish accent and their culture and I can somewhat relate to any Irish person who comes to live in England. Where you come from will always be your spiritual home 🏠
I'm Irish and have lived in the the North of england and south and I always said I had more in common with the English from the north
Take heart. As the Vancouver Whitecaps put together its NASL champion team in the late '70s, season ticket sales surged violently with news we were getting Carl "Shearer." Suddenly, you couldn't get up the stairs for Geordies. There were allegations of "Shearer to join" headlines that avoided his first name, but to the expats' credit, no one returned their tickets. We made do with Alan Ball, John Craven, Willie Johnston and Bruce Grobbelaar. And an absolutely stellar section of Geordie fans.
That doesn’t make any sense saying that living in London or England, as we are one of the most cosmopolitan places on the globe. Feeling like your an outsider is nonsense if you mean living in this country. Native English people are the real “outsiders” in 2024
Having a working class background shouldn’t make you feel like an outsider in the south. There are plenty of working class people all over England, including the south. It’s not a uniquely Northern thing. The south has building labourers, factory workers, agricultural labourers, welders, cleaners, road-sweepers, road workers, dock workers etc. It’s not just a load of middle-class university graduates sitting around in offices.
That being said, having an accent will make you stand out. Personally I enjoy hearing a Geordie accent, and polls suggest it’s in the top five most trustworthy-sounding accents in the U.K., and if a southerner makes you feel unwelcome because if it then they’re the ones losing out.
The further north you go, the friendlier the folk become. 😊
Greetings from Ireland, born in London to Irish parents, thank you Terry, wasn't easy with the bombings
Wasn't easy here in Northern Ireland either, having to live through it! Unless you live through it you have no idea! I worked in Belfast throughout the so called troubles, ie the IRA trying to kill anyone who disagreed with their mantra!
Beautiful Ireland I can see from across our Scotland, not today though, it’s raining! 🏴😆
Never see you then, ha ha
@@billkingston4402 I like it! 😆🌧️💦💦💧🏴 Have a great day Bill.
Nice to see Maeve Binchy, two years away from publishing her first best selling novel Light a Penny Candle.
which one was Maeve Binchy? thanks
@@latteoatmeal7807 The lady who works for the Irish Times - 04.20
Being an English man, I love the Irish. My stepdad is Irish. Cracking sense of humour and infectious laugh.
Egg3s just him, though
Purely here as if it wasn't for Irish diaspora in Great Britain I wouldn't be here today!
Terry was a great Irishman
He was a tremendous ambassador. Greatly proud of who we were, but self-effacing with it.
To give this report some context, it had an arisen out of an initiative to stage a major festival of Irish culture in London in 1980 under the title of 'A Sense of Ireland'. [The only nod to it by the Nationwide report was the use of that term in the introduction].
This involved the staging of some forty events across three weeks encompassing, art, literature, music and cinema. It was an attempt to put across a broader perspective of Ireland than was being reflected in the daily reports of clashes in Northern Ireland and the IRA's deadly and bloody campaign.
Unfortunately, the atmosphere then was really quite awful with the likes of Hyde Park & Regents Park bombings in very recent memory, so the intended audiences stayed away.
In time, there would grow an acceptance that the actions of the bombers were not accepted, or supported, by the Irish in Britain. Just as it would be recognised that there was a systemic rule of discrimination and apartheid that was been perpetuated on Northern Ireland's Catholic minority.
A cancer such as the IRA did not arise out of thin air.
In any normal society Irish people who joined the republican movement otherwise would have lived normal lives... sign of the times
God Bless Terry.
Terry had one of the most reassuring presences on British broadcasting. When people woke up to his breakfast show on Radio 2, it was because he eased you into the day, and didn't bellow down the radio at you at 7am.
😂😂😂👍🙏🏼
The relentless turning of time changes everything in many ways. The old Irish areas of London are now long gone, populated now by different nationalities and colors. Some 300,000 British now live in the Rep of Ireland. I think there has always been strong bonds between the everyday Irish and English people, regardless of the politics of the day.
Brexit and threatening peace on the island, did some damage to the relationship I must say. When the queen visited it was a big deal but it feels like one step forward and two steps back now
The tail doesn't get to wag the dog chum@@thecosmicxx
The craic was good in Cricklewood
I remember this well being an immigrant from Ireland in 87. Only I never went to London or Birmingham like a lot of Irish did.
Kisty McColl & the Pogues, best of irish!
The kindest people I have come across are the Irish. That's my experience and can only speak for myself.
Tel’s syrup looks on point there.
My mum always speaks fondly of her Irish midwives when she had me and my brothers. I don't know if that was a common job vocation
Not specifically midwifery, but half of the nurses in the NHS were Irish. Two of my aunts did their training over here.
Anyone interested in this subject would do well to get hold of the three part biography of the Irish born Lancashire playwright and author Billy Naughton ( Alfie, Spring and Port Wine)
Books are, On The Pigs Back, Saintly Billy, and Neither Use nor Ornament.
His accounts of an Irish family working and living in Bolton are a century old, but his natural ability to get at the crux of the matter from both the Irish and English point of view is still incredible to read now, having is some cases whole chapters given to this.
Whilst appreciated that in the days the documentary here was filmed, the BBC saw anywhere out of London as practically another country anyway, some provisional Irish interviews perhaps with the odd English opinion wouldve been interesting.
Lovely stuff.
Wogan pre-wig. Impressive,
Very interesting @ Clip 2:22 notice that she called them immigrants not Expats. Well done.
When one leaves their country to go to another country to better their lives, one is called an immigrant not an Expat. It seems some people have an issue with the word immigrant as if it is a dirty word or as if people would look down on you coz you are an immigrant, and thus they label it as.... Expat.
What a sad life some people have.
Fittingly that year 1980 Ireland with Johnny Logan won Eurovision with the angst ridden existential anthem " What's Another Year?".
Irish went thru hell with the bombing
To my 21st century Nigerian mind, the idea that the Irish were once an immigrant group which faced problems integrating into English society just seems weird given the long historical ties between the two peoples. Yes, I'm aware of IRA and Sinn Fein and the troubles in Northern Ireland, but I'm quite sure that the cultural ties between the two peoples extend much further back into antiquity than this video clip seems to suggest. I once remember Tony Blair saying he had Irish ancestry and that a lot of people in England today also have Irish ancestry.
It's very true that many people in England have Irish ancestry however, you need to remember the political aspect of Catholicism v Protestantism. Eire, before secularism, held a predominantly Catholic identity. For several hundred years after the Reformation, Britain was predominantly Protestant. It is only comparatively recently that a Catholic could hold the highest political office in Britain. Perceived social class differences, also ingrained over centuries, created another division. The reality was and remains that the Irish had their own successful echelons and/or means of circumventing adversity even during the most dire periods of Irish history. This is seldom reflected in popular culture. Until highly educated Irish graduates came to Britain and punched above the weight of locals and until the Irish economy gained serious international traction, it is fair to say - with the exception of arts and a few other fields - the Irish, as a group, were looked down on.
A lot of Irish settled in Liverpool ❤
Hard workers that’s what we are
Pretty much built Britain.
This stuff fascinates in America. Your all as close as we are. But we have states part of the same country. While you have countries the size of our state's! So it's all so interesting to me. Remember 1980 well. Was just coming of age as a very young man then. In me prime as it were
Would love to see some of these Irish people compare their DNA to Brits. Too bad they didn't have 23 and me back then. The populations of both Ireland and Britain are predominantly of European descent, and historically, both regions have been influenced by various waves of migration, invasions, and cultural exchanges. The terms "Irish" and "British" are broad and encompass diverse ethnic and cultural backgrounds. In terms of Celtic lineage, both the Irish and British populations have Celtic roots. The Celts were a group of Indo-European peoples who spread across Europe, including the British Isles, from around 1200 BCE onwards. The Celtic culture had a significant impact on the regions, leaving linguistic, artistic, and cultural legacies. In Ireland, the Celtic influence is particularly strong, and the Irish people are often associated with a Celtic heritage. The term "Gaelic" is also used to refer to the Celtic-speaking peoples in Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man. In Britain, the Celtic influence is evident in regions such as Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and parts of England. However, the history of Britain is complex, with various migrations and invasions shaping its population. The Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, and Normans, among others, also played roles in shaping the genetic and cultural makeup of the British Isles. It's essential to recognize the diversity within both Irish and British populations. While Celtic heritage is a significant aspect, there are other historical influences that have contributed to the rich tapestry of identities in these regions. Additionally, modern genetics and historical research have revealed a complex intermingling of different ancestral groups over the centuries.
For future reference, both governments do not use the term British Isles. It is recognized as being a colonial term showing possession since the 1600s. Today most people call it British and Irish Isles, the Anglo, Celtic Isles, or these islands.
@@jgg59 While I appreciate your engagement in the discussion, I'd like to point out some inaccuracies in your statement. The term "British Isles" has been historically used to refer to the islands comprising Great Britain, Ireland, and over 6,000 smaller isles. It is a geographical term and not inherently colonial or possessive. The alternative terms you mentioned, such as "British and Irish Isles" or "Anglo-Celtic Isles," are not widely recognized or adopted. The use of the term "British Isles" is standard in geography and is commonly accepted by scholars, institutions, and the general public to denote the archipelago. It's crucial to distinguish between geographical terminology and political connotations. Referring to the British Isles does not imply a colonial mindset, but rather serves as a neutral descriptor for the islands' geographic location. If you have further questions or concerns about terminology, feel free to explore credible sources or consult experts in geography and history. Let's aim for accurate and informed discussions.
@@Progressive_Canadian But, I'm assuming, judging by your handle, you would prefer first being referred to as Canadian, before North American? There is no such thing really as a neutral descriptor, no matter how long its use. As the man said, 'Just as political contexts inform the increasing use of deliberately bland descriptions such as ‘these islands’ (at least in official announcements and parts of the media) so too does the use of ‘Britain’ and ‘British Isles’ stem from a particular political context at a specific historical juncture - namely, the sixteenth century' [Professor Colin Kidd, Historian]. About the time, my mother's county of Laois was determined as Queen's County and Cork as King's County. All those place names that visitors to Ireland seem to find so cute such as Ballydehob and Drumshanbo are degaelicised versions applied by the British Land Commission. In Dublin, would you believe, there is an 'Irishtown'. This was an are just outside the city boundary to which particularly truculent natives were consigned. An early example of a township, I suppose.
@@t.p.mckenna While it's true that historical and political contexts can influence the use of certain terms, it's essential to recognize that the term "British Isles" primarily serves as a geographical descriptor for the islands of Great Britain and Ireland. It is widely employed in geography, cartography, and historical discussions without necessarily carrying a political connotation. The naming of places and regions can indeed reflect historical events and power dynamics. However, the usage of "British Isles" is not inherently a colonial term. It's crucial to distinguish between the historical context of certain names and their contemporary usage in neutral, geographical terms. If you have concerns or prefer alternative terms, it's always valuable to engage in constructive conversations about language and identity. However, it's essential to acknowledge the widespread and accepted usage of "British Isles" in geographic and historical contexts without attributing a singular political meaning to it.
@@Progressive_Canadian I'd already read what you said, so there's no need to repeat yourself. There's no 'essential' about it. After all, there was no seismic shift when China said, actually, it's Beijing, not Peking. Nor when Van Diemen's Land became Tasmania. The persistent insistence that we should only refer to 'the British Isles' comes from the same imperialistic chauvinism that has the Gammonites of this lately afflicted nation believing that the 'Great' in Great Britain actually denotes greatness, rather than it being a geographical descriptor.
Won't say the B word (I'm only Canadian), but between border discussions and focus on Ireland through a European lens .. plus word of NI's new First Minister, it seems the Island of Ireland is more respected internationally than ever before.
Terry Wogan was a volunteer in Óglaigh na hÉireann.
Terry Wogan was an explosives expert and planted bombs around the UK.
I am the first viewer of this video
Legend
Brilliant Dara, your life is complete
Congrats on being the 1st. This calls for a celebration. Get the bottles out.
The first to comment, that is all.
Guinness?@@spidyman8853
Test
Feck this, feck that 😂
I am from Irish descent - grew-up on Irish stew cooked by my nan (but my ancestors left Ireland when it was still part of the UK) Unfortunately, they gave me hereditary haemochromatosis and coeliacs disease, b-stards!
I have all the worst aspects of Ireland but not the lovely accent and the rich culture.
The BBC treated Terry far better than RTE did in Ireland - this is why he settled in to the UK. RTE only had time for Gay Byrne as the big star of Irish broadcasting. Everyone else played stooge to him. So Terry knew he had to leave and so went to the BBC.
Irish centres are everywhere in England, they're called pubs!
So, why does the Irish immigrant go along to talk with the Irish born people at the Irish Centre, for help?
(1:51)
Because they had often come from very rural communities and were simple people, not sophisticated. They wouldn't have the wherewithal, either, to assert themselves, so if there was something like a dispute with a landlord, they'd welcome the help of body like the Irish Centre.
@@t.p.mckenna 100% agreed 👍🏻
And, as Father Sheridan said,
at 1:51..
("We're Irish")
Have a nice day🙂
@@t.p.mckennathey would also help settle them in when they first arrived finding homes, jobs, friendly Irish families for them. Irish Centers still run today and do all sorts from Irish language classes to screening GAA games.
Irish centre murray street ,camden square ,years later camden square was where Amy winehouse lived and died 🤔🙉🙊🙈
And now a lot of Brits who lost their homes during the economic crash in the late 00s are in Ireland trying to get back on the property ladder cos their credit is no use in the UK
Irish Centre - you can see from the video that even in the UK the Catholic Church had a vice grip on it. Thank god (ironically) that those days are now gone and Ireland is no longer a poor backwater.
I guess Satan will be waiting at the end of your life to ironically welcome you to his rather warm home.
The Catholic Church is the best thing to ever happen to humanity, because it is an institution that was commissioned by our Lord Himself. The Churches teachings in Scripture and Catechism which are never highlighted these days show us how to live purposeful, joyful, prayerful, and meaningful lives just as God intended. I think people should not equate the teachings of the Church with the evil actions of some of its worst members. Most people are better off today in a worldly sense in secular Ireland but as our Lord said “what does it profit a man if he gains the world but loses his soul”. God bless
The question: Where are those 750K Irish in London 43 years later?
They are mostly passed now. Recently, I visited Highgate/Archway/Holloway Road and listened out for the accents of old, but they're all but gone. The main part of the Irish Centre's work today is cradling the elderly Irish that could never return home, either because they no longer had homes, or simply because they had been too long out of the place. I was 9 yrs old when my father moved us to London in 1972. I could never live in Ireland now. All countries and societies move on and if you're not there to keep up with it, it's a lost race.
Lot of them are no longer with us. Though there children still walk around with cockney accents, making sure that they tell everyone they meet that their Irish, like Joe Biden does.
@@cambs0181 Why so bitter? Can't see an issue with being proud of one's heritage.
Terry was one of the few TV and Radio personalities in 1970s UK that didn’t sexu@lly abuse children.
Good guy
Terry knew of the rumours of Savile and Terry hated him. This is the reason why Terry avoided Savile if he could. I don't remember him being on Savile's show, but if he was, it was through gritted teeth.
the irish were the best immigrants that britain ever had.
The Bees Gees Sisters ? Disrepect since then
it's a joke
Wogan was a Thatcherite Tory.
Terry Wogan was a despicalble, but subtle mocker of the Irish. He was a supporter of British domination of Ireland.
Treating Irish people like some kind of biological specimens; I'm surprised the BBC published this, considering how super-sensitive they profess to be now, ethically. Several of my relatives are Irish and none of this applied to them at all.
No cliche omitted. It’s embarrassing.
Well it is 44 years old
The biggest stereotypical broadcast ever....like Darby o'gill and the little people
Ireland 🇮🇪 is now officially richer , and has better standards of living than the UK.
Give it time, from what I see It'll be as bad as London soon. No more Potato, potato, It'll be Kebab Kebab.
It's not, it's an accountancy trick by the tax-fraud companies like Amazon.
@@JohnHonda101Unfortunately, we're almost already at that point right now.
Bankrolled by the EU and subservient to Brussels.
Well looking at world ranking economies. UK is 6th and Ireland is at 28. So no, it is not officially richer.
He’s also described every ethnic minority who comes here now!
The most assimilated immigrants yet they still experienced discrimination 😮!
Nuthin' new here: of the UK's people, the English stand well behind the Irish, the Welsh, and the Scots in their ability to speak English.
This shouldn't surprise anybody. They also tend to come in fourth in their command of French, German, whatever...
Hell, it's only the fact that the Jamaicans tend to migrate into England for the most part that gives the "English" enough mathematics to make change accurately.
Sounds like someone has an inferiority complex 😂
Nasty sneering remark that I hope is beneath you.
Those Irish clubs funded the IRA, they used to put a pound note in the hat for the Cause. I know about this because my dad's Irish and he told me how shameful it was.
I’m sure there was a bit, but much more went to Irish people who just needed help. And taxpayers money went towards the army killing innocent Irish people on the street in those days so there’s enough shame to go around. The IRA did not exist in a vacuum. There was a reason they existed. British actions in Ireland made the IRA inevitable. As evidence by there being numerous lulls in its existence. Only to be reborn anew after further injustice by a state that murdered its own citizens in cold blood. They were monstrous for sure, as were the times. And you can’t create a monster and complain when it stomps on a few buildings.
@@Derekconlon Remember Warrington, remember Enniskillen, oh yes, remember the glorious armed struggle. Tell me why did the Irish put bombs in Italian restaurants? What did the Italians ever do to you?
In the case of the Irish Centre, which is the venue featured here, that could not be a more scurrilous remark. It was vital social and welfare centre and is still going strong to this day, providing assistance to what are now the Irish retirees. The Irish in Britain were shamed, horribly, by the atrocities of the IRA, so I'd thank you not to spread such a myth. Sounds a very outdated picture to me. They were getting their money from the US.
Sounds very much like the words of a Trumptard right-winger who confuses the right-wing US organisation Noraid with anything going on in the UK at the time.
The giveaway is the incorrect use of the Irish saltire, the cross of St Patrick, an all-island flag. One supposed he thinks all of Ireland should once again be part of the UK.
The alternative is that he believes NI should be part of the Republic.
@@t.p.mckenna Why did you fund the abduction of a German businessmen who was beaten to death and buried on a rubbish tip? The IRA were psychopaths, stop defending them.
He was actualy born in wales