The JOKE That ENDED An NFL Player's CAREER | Paul Palmer (1988 Chiefs)

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    In 1988, prior to an NFL game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs running back Paul Palmer was so fed up with head coach Frank Gansz that he said that he would intentionally fumble the ball just so that he gets fired. As you can probably expect, whether it was a joke or whether he was being completely serious, that did not go over so well with everyone else. This is the story behind the drama and controversy.
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    Members of the 1988 Chiefs:
    Kelly Goodburn
    Nick Lowery
    Bill Kenney
    Steve DeBerg
    Deron Cherry
    James Saxon
    Calvin Loveall
    Greg Hill
    JC Pearson
    David Hollis
    Paul Palmer
    Kevin Porter
    Albert Lewis
    Kevin Ross
    Larry Moriarty
    Lloyd Burruss
    Christian Okoye
    Keyvan Jenkins
    Herman Heard
    Sidney Johnson
    Kenny Gamble
    Jack Del Rio
    Adam Lingner
    Angelo Snipes
    Todd Howard
    Tim Cofield
    Louis Cooper
    Dino Hackett
    Chris Martin
    Tom Baugh
    Andy Hawkins
    Byron Ingram
    Mark Adickes
    Ron McLean
    Bill Maas
    James Harvey
    Gerry Feehery
    Curt DiGiacomo
    Mike Stensrud
    Jerome Sally
    Don Thorp
    Dave Lutz
    Brian Jozwiak
    Irv Eatman
    John Alt
    Rich Baldinger
    Rod Jones
    Darrell Colbert
    Kitrick Taylor
    Stephone Paige
    Jonathan Hayes
    Emile Harry
    Alfredo Roberts
    Carlos Carson
    Neil Smith
    Gary Baldinger
    Jerry McCabe
    Dee Hardison
    Troy Stedman
    Aaron Pearson
    Leonard Griffin
    Mike Bell
    Lamar Hunt (owner)
    Frank Gansz (head coach)
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  • @casmrtblnd
    @casmrtblnd 2 года назад +4

    I've known Paul Palmer (Boo Boo to his friends) since we were in high school together in Potomac, Maryland at Winston Churchill High School. He was one of the coolest, kindest people in school! I'm POSITIVE he meant it as a joke! What a shame that it was taken that way!! It was their loss, too!!!

  • @adamdobrowolski2510
    @adamdobrowolski2510 3 года назад +6

    Galling irony to learn Frank Gansz claim he suspended somebody for the sake of the integrity of the game. Gansz lied about his combat history to get that head coaching spot. If was a player on that team, any claims of "integrity" would fall on deaf ears.

  • @SoftDrinksOfChoice
    @SoftDrinksOfChoice 3 года назад +8

    This channel is so much better than most of the NFL ones on RUclips bc it covers stuff most people haven't heard of before instead of rehashing the same crap over & over.

    • @YTC1234
      @YTC1234 3 года назад +2

      RUclips sports channels are like an echo chamber.

  • @fredkruse9444
    @fredkruse9444 3 года назад +27

    "He Bishop Sycamored his way to a head coaching job." Too funny!

    • @TheOtherBradBird
      @TheOtherBradBird 3 года назад +3

      Frustrating watching others be so easily hoodwinked. Look into Bishop Sycamore's opposition, IMG Academy. They're just as fake a school. Only difference is prosperity.

    • @flyabusa
      @flyabusa 3 года назад +2

      @@TheOtherBradBird except that IMG academy has an actual, physical address for their campus that exists. IMG players don't have to sleep on the floor of the coach's house or steal food from grocery stores to eat. IMG players don't go around assaulting homeless men at the behest of their coach. Last I checked, the IMG head coach didn't make a habit of not paying bus companies and hotels, nor does the head coach of IMG have an active warrant out for his arrest nor pending litigation for fraud an unpaid debts.
      But if you want to keep comparing apples to space shuttles, you do you.

    • @TheOtherBradBird
      @TheOtherBradBird 3 года назад +4

      ​@@flyabusa The only meaningful difference you mentioned is money. IMG is a government funded private school where tuition can run up to $80,000 yearly, the football squad practices in multimillion dollar facilities, and coaching staff has regular contact with collegiate and professional scouts.
      Meanwhile Bishop Sycamore is homeless, practices in a literal field, and can hardly afford to maintain its equipment.
      I know who I'm rooting for - the desperate kids giving everything they have for one last shot at getting a scholarship anywhere they can and the coach willing to risk jail-time to get them there - not the kids whose parents can shovel my yearly salary to an NFL prep-school so their spawn can attend D1 schools on full-ride scholarships they never needed in the first place.
      So who's your team: Yankees or Dodgers?

    • @Insertquartertocontinue
      @Insertquartertocontinue 3 года назад +1

      @@TheOtherBradBird Love the analogy

    • @MAWA-Vik19
      @MAWA-Vik19 3 года назад

      I kind of liked both or your replies, tbh.

  • @denisceballos9745
    @denisceballos9745 3 года назад +27

    Such potential, never fully realized. You look at these hi-lite reels and can see he had speed, moves, size. Yet, he played on six different teams in a short six year pro career.

    • @d0nKsTaH
      @d0nKsTaH 3 года назад +5

      Agree.
      Some players really need to find that one team early on... there was obviously some bad blood that led to all of this.
      Guy was talented... maybe should have been taken by another team in the draft and who knows?

    • @joeterzio7175
      @joeterzio7175 3 года назад +5

      Size? He was like 5'9" and 180 lbs. That's part of the reason why he never could reliably run the ball -- too small. In today's game he'd be a third down specialist but they didn't have a ton of those back then.

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 3 года назад +1

      @@joeterzio7175 No, in today's game he'd be a slot receiver, and possibly the best... 🤴🏿

    • @joeterzio7175
      @joeterzio7175 3 года назад +1

      @@mr.p2007 He never played receiver in college or pros so assuming the same happened today, he still wouldn't be perfect for slot. How many running backs are slot receivers?

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 3 года назад +2

      @@joeterzio7175 today's game is more of a passing game, and it's a natural fit for his attributes. 🤴🏿

  • @nathandebartolo8330
    @nathandebartolo8330 3 года назад +16

    My former co-worker Lee Saltz was the quarterback on that Temple team. I had to laugh when he randomly showed up at 1:39.

    • @robkeel100
      @robkeel100 3 года назад

      Wow! Where did you work?

  • @igotjams1
    @igotjams1 3 года назад +12

    As bad as things went for Paul Palmer, he still managed to make it into the Hall of Fame
    Temple University Hall of Fame, that is

  • @erichaynes7502
    @erichaynes7502 3 года назад +16

    The joke didn't end Palmer's career he scored a TD against the Chiefs the next year when he was on the Cowboys! And it must be noted Palmer was 1st on the Chiefs, horrible coach/team. Then the Lions, another atrocious coach/team plus Gansz was the ST coach! Then Palmer had to go to the 1-15 rotten Cowboys Palmer got screwed by ALL THREE TEAMS!

    • @niss2142
      @niss2142 Год назад +1

      I agree. What's worst? Saying I'm going to fumble or beating your wife. The suspension was not warranted. Those teams stunk and the coaches didn't know how to use him.

  • @nasetvideos
    @nasetvideos 3 года назад +27

    Such an interesting story--Always be careful with what you say and how others may take it....Just another example of that, for sure. Great story

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 года назад +18

    He would have been a perfect fit with today's chiefs teams super talent and a free spirit.

  • @backgroundhustlin
    @backgroundhustlin 3 года назад +3

    From a small black neighborhood (Scotland) in Potomac, MD to a Heisman trophy runner up. Paul (Boo Boo) Palmer is a legend in Montgomery County. I went to Churchill HS, played the same position in the 90's and lived in the same neighborhood for some years
    I remember shaking his hand before the state championship game at Byrd Stadium (University of Maryland) in 1995 against Dunbar of Baltimore.

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 2 года назад +2

      Who are you? This is Sauce, WCHS COF'88 RB#22

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 2 года назад +1

      Okay, Dre tells me your Ben's son Leon.

    • @backgroundhustlin
      @backgroundhustlin 2 года назад +1

      @Mr. P Yup...#4 COF '96. You played with Mark and Tracy. One of the best teams in WCHS history.

    • @PaulPalmer-rs1fo
      @PaulPalmer-rs1fo Год назад +1

      #DMV STANDUP!!’

  • @CTubeMan
    @CTubeMan 3 года назад +15

    You said Palmer’s statement might have been a joke. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made another video about another player with Philadelphia connections who made a “joke” about his own quarterback. That player was Wide Receiver Gary Ballman. Ballman “joked” about Norm Snead, and the year was 1967.

  • @auntrayjones625
    @auntrayjones625 3 года назад +43

    So a guy who lied to get a NFL coaching job suspended a player who made a poor joke. Wow

    • @diaz5292
      @diaz5292 3 года назад +2

      Yes. Yes, that is correct.

    • @juaneduardo504
      @juaneduardo504 3 года назад

      🙄 .....

    • @reilneid6436
      @reilneid6436 3 года назад

      And......🤔

    • @chrisledbetter9278
      @chrisledbetter9278 3 года назад

      That really doesn’t make any difference. If you are dumb enough to make a statement like that, you deserve to be suspended. No matter what the coach has done.

    • @jerryalexander8803
      @jerryalexander8803 3 года назад

      @@chrisledbetter9278 Attitude reflects leadership

  • @MilsurpMikeChannel
    @MilsurpMikeChannel 3 года назад +7

    I started watching the Chiefs as a kid in 1986 and still remember Palmer being a bust... I didn't know this was the reason. Thank you for these last couple videos.

    • @Trandview
      @Trandview 3 года назад

      Yeap, same here. Didn't know this detail......

    • @rticle15
      @rticle15 3 года назад +2

      I dont truly think it is the reason. If he played like Barry Sanders, he would have stayed. Schottenheimer simplys cut their third best running back.

  • @billquantrill4960
    @billquantrill4960 3 года назад +17

    I remember that era of Chiefs football. Dark days for us Chiefs fans.

    • @stephengrinkley9889
      @stephengrinkley9889 3 года назад +6

      Seems like it was a real toxic environment before Marty got there

    • @billquantrill4960
      @billquantrill4960 3 года назад +4

      @@stephengrinkley9889 People never react to constant losing very well. It doesn't bring out the best in people.

    • @philipsmith6424
      @philipsmith6424 3 года назад

      And a dark day in 2020 against the Buccaneers !!!😂😂😂

    • @killmonger8796
      @killmonger8796 3 года назад

      @Phillip Smith Just cloudy. Not dark when you're favored to return. Can't win every game. But go off.

    • @Johnny.1965
      @Johnny.1965 3 года назад

      I think we'll make several trips to the big game over the next few years...

  • @CZECHMATE650
    @CZECHMATE650 3 года назад +9

    I had a cousin who went to Temple & got to see Palmer play there. He made the Defense look like they were in slow motion.

  • @jameschambers5396
    @jameschambers5396 3 года назад +10

    I was a free agent rookie running back in the 1988 KC Chiefs camp and to this day still friends with many of my teammates there. I didn't know about any of Paul Palmer's troubles there until watching this video. Thanks for the knowledge.
    I can verify that Paul was indeed a great running back that was not utilized enough times or in enough ways to make an impact. I can also verify that the coaching situation there in 1988 was "troublingly deceitful."
    Despite being an undersized Fullback, the coaches liked my play and approached me after practice one day with an ultimatum. They asked me to meet them in the training room, where the two coaches in question each stood on opposite sides of me, one holding a box of syringes and the other holding an empty box. If you want to know more, please feel free to reach out to me. I can also let you know about a conversation I had with Whitey Duvall, the Director of Player Personnel that year regarding the running backs final roster spot choice that could have dramatically changed NFL history.

    • @asayles23
      @asayles23 3 года назад +3

      Damn I’m interested in hearing this story someone should definitely interview you

    • @frankcastle4435
      @frankcastle4435 Год назад +1

      James please I need to hear this story. Do you remember playing with Larry Moriarty? He had a few good years with the oilers

    • @jameschambers5396
      @jameschambers5396 Год назад

      @@frankcastle4435 yes, I knew Mo.

    • @frankcastle4435
      @frankcastle4435 Год назад

      Thank you for responding Mr James, my dad was huge ND Fan and he absolutely loved Larry. Do you got any good stories about him? Also I would absolutely love to hear your story

    • @frankcastle4435
      @frankcastle4435 Год назад

      James did Larry get hurt his last few years? I was a little kid back then but I remember his first few years with the oilers he put up some good stats. I think in 84 he had close to 800 yards rushing and 7 touchdowns

  • @tygrkhat4087
    @tygrkhat4087 3 года назад +36

    It takes years to build a reputation; seconds to ruin it.

    • @GetBenched2010
      @GetBenched2010 3 года назад +3

      Ricky Watters knows all about that.

    • @leo.girardi
      @leo.girardi 3 года назад

      Yes, and it could have taken seconds to tell that story. He could probably take 20 min to explain how to boil water.

  • @Staceyatkinson4496
    @Staceyatkinson4496 3 года назад +6

    Advice to all rookies and veterans, keep your mouths shut

  • @Highley1958
    @Highley1958 3 года назад +55

    Great job packing a 30-second story into 13 minutes.

  • @patricianoel8570
    @patricianoel8570 3 года назад +5

    As a Chiefs fan for some time I can say that they weren't the well oiled machine that they are today. In 1988 they were the Houston Texans or Cincinnati Bengals of that Era. I am sure Palmer was not the first player in the NFL to make a remark like that. Wasn't it reported that Randy Moss once said that he took plays off during the game. It was reported that Karl Peterson fired Gunther Cunningham as head coach because the team quit on him in his second season. Isn't quiting on a coach practically the same thing? That is what I thought the Falcons were trying to do last year with Dan Quinn (remember the onside kick debacle at Dallas). No, the Chiefs were a bad organization back then. Palmer's apology should have been accepted and the team move on, Like the Rodgers GB situation.

    • @erichaynes7502
      @erichaynes7502 3 года назад +2

      Yep, 1988 was the last of the 1972-1988 dark era in K.C. it sucked for Palmer and everybody else those years.
      I don't think the team quit on Gunter in his 2nd season he basically had the same record as his 1st season..Gunter had bland Grbac as the QB he just wasn't all that great. Vermeil came in and did a little better because he had Trent Green. More dark years with Todd Haley + Romeo followed then we got a great coach in Andy Reid, except his family is really rough around the edges.

  • @nintendoconvert4045
    @nintendoconvert4045 3 года назад +1

    Sadly, his comment actually didn’t even say dropping the balls would be on purpose. I think what he meant was “if I did fumble, as much as it would suck for me and my team, if the end result was the coach getting fired, that’s at least 1 good outcome. Focus on the greater good.”
    I.e. “I don’t want to get fired from my job. But if I did, I might be able to find an even better opportunity and I would have more time to do so.” That is not the same as saying “I hope I get fired”.

  • @ecembrew
    @ecembrew 3 года назад +7

    As a Cowboys fan, I remember the great game he had at RFK to be the Skins for the only win in 89

  • @georgesouthwick7000
    @georgesouthwick7000 3 года назад +2

    If Palmer was that good, this comment wouldn’t have ended his career. If you are good, you get away with anything….even murder…just ask Ray Lewis.

  • @rxtsec1
    @rxtsec1 3 года назад +4

    My uncle played for Bruce Arians at Temple

  • @diaz5292
    @diaz5292 3 года назад +19

    "It undermines the integrity of the game." Well, c'mon now. The game has no integrity. It has the integrity of a carny run circus freak show...lol

    • @davidcobb2693
      @davidcobb2693 3 года назад +11

      And to think the coach who suspended him had LIED about just about everything in his past! Kinda makes you rethink, "How hard can it be to be a Special Teams Coach?"

    • @fomori2
      @fomori2 3 года назад +3

      ""It undermines the integrity of the game." "--
      I find it funny a guy who lied about his past is reprimanding someone else about integrity. That guy is such a sociopath that he should have gone into politics, where a lack of integrity gets you elected for decades.

    • @paxhumana2015
      @paxhumana2015 3 года назад

      @@fomori2 , et al, how about you lot?

    • @Rick_Sanchez_C137_
      @Rick_Sanchez_C137_ 3 года назад +1

      Anyone remember the 49ers having short yardage to go and kicking a field goal on the THIRD down late in the fourth so, so that they won the game but failed to beat the point spread? Even the commentators mentioned the point spread and kicking with that short of yardage never happens on the third down……
      Sometimes, the game is as predetermined as professional wrestling….

    • @drewberrynews3875
      @drewberrynews3875 3 года назад +1

      a lil more tegrity than boxin in Las Vegas though...but not much

  • @markbrian7179
    @markbrian7179 3 года назад +16

    Paul Palmer was one of the best player's in Temple's history.

    • @mccmcc33
      @mccmcc33 3 года назад

      Cosby is the best player in Temple history, but he may have been using performance enhancing drugs.

  • @erichaynes7502
    @erichaynes7502 3 года назад +4

    I'm from KC the Chiefs were an absolute trainwreck from 1972 - 1988. We only made the playoffs ONCE in those 17 seasons and we lost to the freakin' JETS. Yes, the JETS!

    • @jondoe406
      @jondoe406 3 года назад +2

      Looking at the 88 roster they actually had some good players in Neil Smith, Deron Cherry, Jack Del Rio, Okoye, DeBerg and Nick Lowry. Surprised they were that bad.

    • @erichaynes7502
      @erichaynes7502 3 года назад +2

      @@jondoe406 That season was the final straw, something had to change..bringing in a new GM and HC for 89 brought the fans back. Since then KC has had 7 head coaches and we've been to the playoffs with 4 of them. The other 3 head coaches were busts and didn't last long. Reid is by far the best coach since Hank Stram but his personal life is really really rough.

  • @lambdalambdalambdaa
    @lambdalambdalambdaa 3 года назад +7

    Temple currently has more head coaches holding head coaching positions in the NFL then Alabama and USC combined.

    • @bigdaddycountry7
      @bigdaddycountry7 3 года назад

      As far as Bama is concerned Nick Saban has been at Alabama for 15 seasons and makes more money than most NFL head coaches. Temple has had more head coach turn over.

  • @littleblackduck3134
    @littleblackduck3134 3 года назад +15

    He has a pretty good highlight reel

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 года назад +7

    Remember the nes-tea plunge that was a cute little endzone ditty.

  • @dsmscenester
    @dsmscenester 3 года назад +5

    I love how you squeezed in a Bishop Syracuse reference!! 😁😁😁

    • @lloydmarshalljr1951
      @lloydmarshalljr1951 3 года назад +2

      IKR? Bishop Sycamore ---> the gift that *KEEPS ON GIVING.*

  • @d0nKsTaH
    @d0nKsTaH 3 года назад +4

    I suspect this has happened a LOT in the history of the NFL.
    One particular story that believe (but have no proof) of is Marcus Allen's infamous fumble which caused Al Davis to purely hate him thereafter.
    Allen became second fiddle to a lot of other running backs in an attempt to displace him but he did well enough to stay... though neither party wanted that.
    You should do a story (if you haven't already) about that fumble and the fallout afterward.
    Allen spent years on the team thereafter and pretty much the situation really did hurt the Raiders.
    A wasted few years there... and if I'm not mistaken... Allen went in as a Chief to the HoF... (waits for someone to check)

    • @UnbowedUnbentUnbroken93
      @UnbowedUnbentUnbroken93 3 года назад

      I checked, he didn't go in as a Chief but his relationship with Al was horrible when he did get inducted into the HOF

  • @jondoe406
    @jondoe406 3 года назад +2

    Rather impressive highlight reel for a guy I've never heard of

  • @VTPSTTU
    @VTPSTTU 3 года назад +3

    While he maybe shouldn't have said what he said, I'd have to know the real context to condemn the comment this hard. If he said it in a joking way and everyone understood it that way, then the coaches overreacted. They sound like a group of thin-skinned coaches who were bad at their jobs and overly sensitive about someone saying what everyone felt. Maybe he really had that bad an attitude. On the other hand, maybe the poor coaching brought out the worst in everyone and he simply expressed everyone's frustration. I'd love to know what his fumble ratio was when he played for the Cowboys. If he continued to fumble, he may have just been a mediocre running back. If his running average improved and the fumbles reduced, then maybe he was a little better that what happened to him. That the Cowboys let him go isn't surprising after they drafted Emmitt Smith.

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 года назад +5

    Him and pat Mahomes would have made an awesome combination had Paul palmer been born much later than he was not to mention Andy Reid would have just blown off that joke I believe.

    • @mayduck1
      @mayduck1 3 года назад +3

      Andy Reid is so respected by most that hardly anyone would say that about him unlike Ganz who was inept and a fraud,

    • @karlcooper8460
      @karlcooper8460 3 года назад +2

      @@mayduck1 Ganz was probably insecure and the supersensitive type.

  • @JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly
    @JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly 3 года назад +48

    After seeing videos like this, you begin to see just how Marty was so important for the Chiefs.

    • @MilsurpMikeChannel
      @MilsurpMikeChannel 3 года назад +12

      There would be no NFL team still in KC if it weren't for Marty.

    • @robertsettle2590
      @robertsettle2590 3 года назад +1

      @@MilsurpMikeChannel WHAT???!!!! You're delusional MATE! The CHIEFS were not going anywhere then or ever.

    • @slimischillin7753
      @slimischillin7753 3 года назад +11

      @@robertsettle2590 before Marty, those were lean times. And the chiefs were terrible. Arrowhead was not what it is now. Marty and Carl Peterson created the culture of arrowhead stadium you see today

    • @robertsettle2590
      @robertsettle2590 3 года назад +7

      @@slimischillin7753 your exactly right and I remember them well. Those were times that truly tested whether you were an absolute K.C. CHIEFS fan. I can remember in the little town that I'm from in Southwest Missoura, they gave away tons tickets to the games. Nobody wanted a Chiefs ticket or tickets except true K.C. CHIEFS fans like myself and a few others. So when they got rid of Ganz and Steadman and brought in Marty & Carl we were ELATED. We knew that Lamar was serious for the first time since the early 1960's and things were going to be better. So now as I have enter my 100th year on this planet, all is good in
      CHIEF'S KINGDOM.

    • @MilsurpMikeChannel
      @MilsurpMikeChannel 3 года назад +4

      @@robertsettle2590 You had KC Comets games that were outselling the Chiefs at points in the 1980s. We were lucky enough to live where we could turn the antenna around to pick up the blacked out games on the Joplin stations. If their mid-70s-1980s futility continued into the 90s, the Chiefs could very well have moved. Lamar Hunt lived in Texas (and the Hunt family still lives in Texas) so there is really no loyalty to the city. If another city threw billions of dollars and a new stadium at him, say Baltimore, Houston, or LA, and the Chiefs still played blacked out games in front of 11K fans, Hunt would have been crazy not to move. I remember being in grade school just hoping they would hire Schottenheimer and was ecstatic when they did.

  • @mr.p2007
    @mr.p2007 3 года назад +9

    You neglected to mention he was an All-Pro as a Kick Returner in '87 as a rookie, and had three of the six total 100 yard receiving games by Running Backs in the NFL in '88. 🤴🏿

    • @EFFamily
      @EFFamily Год назад

      Not really special tbh. Like oh boy you took advantage of garbage time by catching dump off passes in a blowout? And kick returner all pro? Ok yeah

  • @richsheer4905
    @richsheer4905 3 года назад +3

    I was at that Temple-Rutgers game around the 2:00 mark. Freshman year.

  • @zkman1762
    @zkman1762 3 года назад +2

    Remember, when someone says their joking there is always a bit of truth.

  • @levikatriel
    @levikatriel 3 года назад +2

    This suspension was likely a joke. Another time that a player did not get to play for a team happened in 2000 when Plaxico Burres didn’t get drafted by the eagles because he attended a college basketball game. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about the controversy.

  • @diaz5292
    @diaz5292 3 года назад +2

    It's like the old saying goes: Offense wins games, Schottenheimer wins championships.

    • @jeffy6903
      @jeffy6903 3 года назад +3

      Except that he never even won a conference championship....

    • @UserName-ts3sp
      @UserName-ts3sp 3 года назад +2

      never did but okay

    • @jogendron6320
      @jogendron6320 3 года назад +2

      Elway has all his championships.
      “Do I hate John Elway? No, he’s a great competitor, my wife hates John Elway though”
      -MS

    • @diaz5292
      @diaz5292 3 года назад

      @@jeffy6903 yep. That's why it's funny! Lol

    • @diaz5292
      @diaz5292 3 года назад

      @@UserName-ts3sp Yep. That's right, lol

  • @jrod75
    @jrod75 3 года назад +7

    Insightful video. You need to do another first round draft dud from the late 80’s. In 1988, the Denver Broncos selected DT Ted Gregory from Syracuse. A pick so bad that it seemed the Broncos scout team phoned it in without looking at the player involved. By far the Broncos worst first round pick.

  • @marcus813
    @marcus813 3 года назад +1

    Any players who even think about joking about fumbling to get a hated coach fired should watch this video. Words matter more than some people think they do.

  • @gluserty
    @gluserty 3 года назад +1

    I'd say Paul Palmer's career highlight was definitely that 110 rushing yards for the 1989 Cowboys, assisting them in their lone win of that season (13-3 vs. Washington Team). Bad move on his part in KC though, joke or not (I'm sorry about Palmer losing his grandmother & dealing with emotional turmoil though; also, it seems that Frank Gansz's disastrous coaching stint with the Chiefs speaks for himself). It makes me think of Wade Phillips when he was coaching the Bills in 2000, stating in an interview for the Monday Night Football that neither the 7-6 Bills or 7-6 Colts had a chance to make the playoffs: well, the Colts made the playoffs, and even if Philips felt that way at the time, it was probably something he should've kept to himself.
    Roger Vick & Terrence Flagler, I am familiar with them, but they were just "guys" who didn't leave big imprints on the game (Vick did more than Flagler though).

  • @dr.awkward9075
    @dr.awkward9075 3 года назад +10

    Palmer actually led the 1989 Cowboys in rushing yards. I know that's not saying much, but still. Also, Terrence Flagler was traded to the Cowboys the week before Emmitt Smith was drafted.
    Man, i hope that trade works out! 🤞

  • @PoleTooke
    @PoleTooke 3 года назад

    Apparently taking your equipment off and throwing up peace signs as you exit is even faster. Literally zero words needed.

  • @JMTavares7
    @JMTavares7 3 года назад +1

    Alternate Title:
    How not performing in the NFL over a long period of time ENDED an NFL player's career. (and also he got suspended for 1 game once)

  • @jfk64kennedy95
    @jfk64kennedy95 3 года назад +3

    Okoye' was a beast, loved watching him run...

    • @barrakliberal8539
      @barrakliberal8539 3 года назад

      The Nigerian Nightmare. Not a name you will see nowadays.

  • @luisreyes1963
    @luisreyes1963 3 года назад +2

    No wonder they call the NFL the "No Fun League". 🙁

  • @josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517
    @josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517 3 года назад +1

    It is an important lesson you are presenting. Thank you.

  • @RCVictoryLane
    @RCVictoryLane 3 года назад +1

    Bishop Sycamore...they will never live that down...

  • @gt-gu7rb
    @gt-gu7rb 3 года назад +2

    Graduated from Temple the year before Palmer led the NCAA'S in rushing Along with Arians as head coach they had a lot of good DB's on that team. Including Todd Bowles the current defensive coordinator for the Buc's. Anthony Anderson who was on his way to good career with the Colts but he had stenosis of the spine and Kevin Ross who made all pro a couple of years with the Chief's. That was a good Temple team think they went 6 and 5 lost to Penn State by one point that year 26 to 25 . Better than there record

  • @Yahweh-dn9cv
    @Yahweh-dn9cv 3 года назад +1

    Temple was coached by Bruce arians & some of his victories were vacated by the NCAA

  • @flyinelvis69
    @flyinelvis69 3 года назад +1

    A player not used properly by a guy who should never have been a head coach to begin with (see Sam Darnold was Adam Gase) Bigger mystery is why Ethan Horton was cut after his first year in KC

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 года назад +5

    I always wondered what happened to old PP he was a pretty good player.

    • @Chuna-ge4dg
      @Chuna-ge4dg 3 года назад +1

      He does the radio color for Temple football.

    • @karlcooper8460
      @karlcooper8460 3 года назад

      @@Chuna-ge4dg Oh OK I guess that will work.

  • @skiburnski7543
    @skiburnski7543 3 года назад +1

    His comment didn't ruin his career, it was being on the same team with the freakin' behemoth Christian Okoye, the Nigerian Nightmare that ruined his career!

    • @bertmustin
      @bertmustin 3 года назад

      Not being a good runningback ruined his career.

  • @rxtsec1
    @rxtsec1 3 года назад +1

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The coach was worse

  • @brianbachmeier34
    @brianbachmeier34 3 года назад +3

    A player with fumbling issues jokes about intentionally fumbling to get a coach fired who was already going to get fired.

    • @bradkirchhoff3751
      @bradkirchhoff3751 3 года назад

      Adrien Peterson fumbles a hell of a lot more than he did…

  • @rodfry3977
    @rodfry3977 3 года назад +1

    HIs nickname at Churchill HS was Boo Boo. Guess he made a big Boo Boo

  • @beezum
    @beezum 3 года назад +1

    Really good editing!

  • @tigercap100
    @tigercap100 3 года назад +2

    Suggestion: Eric Hipples 1981 debut vs Bears.

  • @matsumoku1
    @matsumoku1 3 года назад

    We should always remember that what people do is much more important than what they say. People get upset and say things they shouldn't say. Also, there is a long history of people who do the opposite of what they say and we let them get away with that, such as politicians. We need to stop focusing on words and focus on actions.

  • @conorcane1211
    @conorcane1211 3 года назад +1

    Great video man! You earned a sub!

  • @orbyfan
    @orbyfan 3 года назад +2

    Paul Palmer played one game in the CFL with the Toronto Argonauts, with 2 carries for 6 yards and 1 kickoff return for 60 in a 48-24 loss in Hamilton on Sept. 2, 1991.

  • @williamgullett5911
    @williamgullett5911 3 года назад +1

    To be honest....if the Chiefs had been sold on Palmer they wouldn't have drafted Christian Okoye with their next pick in the 2nd rd

    • @jerryking45
      @jerryking45 3 года назад

      THE NIGERIAN NIGHTMARE!!

  • @diaz5292
    @diaz5292 3 года назад +1

    "Bishop Sicamore" reference. Nice!👍

  • @moffjerjerrod1579
    @moffjerjerrod1579 3 года назад

    So imagine of Paul Palmer was able to use Twitter back then. People would STILL be going after him now.

  • @DMS-pq8
    @DMS-pq8 3 года назад +2

    Jim Brown in his prime would have had a hard time running on that Cowboys team

    • @joachimguderian4048
      @joachimguderian4048 3 года назад

      You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. JB was 6’3, 235 with near Olympic class speed. Not too mention that the weakass way they tackle nowadays, JB would’ve broke a lot of arms.

    • @DMS-pq8
      @DMS-pq8 3 года назад

      @@joachimguderian4048 Read the comment and learn to understand sarcasm

  • @oldfart5063
    @oldfart5063 3 года назад +1

    it seems to me that the coach was a joke and ruined palmers career more than palmer did . if he averaged 6.5 yds per carry and hardly touched the ball , the coach is a moron . the they trade him to detroit where that same coach is on staff and he hardly toaches the ball there . neither team was any good and they can't figure out how to make use of a talented player .

  • @amberlopez7477
    @amberlopez7477 3 года назад +1

    He was a so-so player. He have an average carreer in football.

  • @chadwickwhite6107
    @chadwickwhite6107 3 года назад +1

    Live NFL TRIVIA every Wednesday NIGHT on TWITCH. Well Paul Palmer did a GREAT JOB of RUINING his OWN career. He would have been BETTER off SPIKING the BALL into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!

  • @rticle15
    @rticle15 3 года назад

    I dont think the comment had anything to do with the slide in Palmer's career. He simply didnt play well enough to crack the depth chart. I say he was cut when schottenheimer came in either way.

  • @joeriveracomedy
    @joeriveracomedy 3 года назад

    Christian Okoye being on Pirate Master was almost as sad as Jimmy Johnson on Survivor

  • @johnnytdufc
    @johnnytdufc 3 года назад

    Players have said far worse things. I think in today's era the result for Palmer is perhaps different. He wasn't wrong about the coach, but in the mid-80's was the time that Coaches and GM's began looking far more closely at the level of maturity and behavior of potential draft choices. 1st rounders were truly overpaid then. Record contracts, though mostly for Quarterbacks.
    Palmer's sin was certainly ill-advised, but should not have derailed his career. If Palmer had a decent agent, his apology would've included a public statement of confidence in the current coaching staff, however disingenuous. Teams had known for decades that poor moral is just devastating to performance in Football. The effort required in the NFL and cohesiveness is simply indispensable. Teams had seen players that became 'locker room poison' and the effect some had to team morale. Palmer lost his check(s) for duration of the suspension and that should've been enough punishment.
    I don't know what his salary did to the Chiefs cap space, but as your highlights showed (only good ones but for one fumble) Palmer was a tool to be used PROPERLY as he would've under a Bill Walsh system. His weight loss that season was likely more detrimental to his performance than the comment . A truly stupid thing to say. Most persons are forgiven such things as awful words. Attacking a head coach in front of the team (not the coach) is beyond foolish. The coach was gut-punched because he, too, knew his contract wouldn't be renewed.
    The NFL has and still is a MERIT-BASED SYSTEM. "What have you done for me lately?" which Janet Jackson put into a song that year, likely expresses it well. I suspect that as skilled as Palmer was, between the tackles he just didn't perform and was likely surprised that almost EVERYONE was fast in the NFL. I knew every player in those days and I don't really recall a lot about him. Okoye's name was spoken a lot and my 49ers (yes, Mine) found ways to handle him, but he caused a lot of concussions and ball movement.
    Anyway, Palmer's lack of production in KC tells me his agent was an IDIOT to let Palmer take a job with a team where KC head coach Gains was going to coach as well. That meant he was known and liked by Detroit's HC. So, Palmer should NOT have been there. His chance came later at Dallas. If he didn't produce there, regardless of the lack of blocking or proper use, he wasn't gonna keep getting contracts or chances. But Dallas also wasn't good then and Palmer needed to be on a team that blocked well and continued blocking..e.g. lineman coming off a block and sprinting to make more on the play. (See SF 49ers of that era. They had lineman that traded the extra 20lbs or more in exchange for those who could run upfield as well. Receivers, backs, they all blocked after the initial phase of the play.
    Your highlights seem to show a guy that would've produced under Walsh's system of short passes to RBs but what were the other aspects of Palmer's play? Blocking? Special teams? He was a good returner, but didn't produce there you said. Palmer was really good in the open field, and seemed to outrun everyone on it, including the Redskins DBs of that era.
    But perhaps Walsh likely would've traded for him if hadn't shown the propensity to verbally back stab? I don't know. But I suspect it was an issue. Otherwise, it came down only to production. This is true in the NFL of so many gifted players and is the reason why NFL teams now go to such lengths to screen where a player's head is at and his work ethic. These are basically kids making millions when they enter the league and he needed an adviser he respected and trusted to help him out. All kids do in any field.

  • @joachimguderian4048
    @joachimguderian4048 3 года назад +3

    Chiefs have never been able to adequately replace Joe Delaney. None of the backs they’ve had ever since could fill the shoes he left. Had he lived, I have ZERO doubts that we’d all be discussing him as one of the greatest backs in nfl history

  • @homedeezyfasheezy5662
    @homedeezyfasheezy5662 3 года назад

    Keep up the good work bro. I just mashed the subscribe button.

  • @brianellinger6622
    @brianellinger6622 3 года назад

    Fired...
    Lol.
    I don't even know who's hat I'm wearing right now.
    Lmao...

  • @marquettejones1087
    @marquettejones1087 2 года назад

    The cold thing about that's is. The head coach was going to get fired anyway. I think he would have thrive with Marty

  • @quietprofessional3608
    @quietprofessional3608 3 года назад

    “Pedestrian running back”. Shows like 60 breakaway touchdowns lol. Just show him getting stuffed for 10 minutes so I’m not confused

  • @apex_prowler95
    @apex_prowler95 3 года назад

    Guys in the comments section saying BooBoo sucked but there are a myriad of long runs in the video. He didn't suck. Wrong franchise at the wrong time.

  • @johndeotte3229
    @johndeotte3229 3 года назад

    I remember Palmer with the Cowboys in 89. I remember that long run and the Lipton Tea Plunge.

  • @kingcane5819
    @kingcane5819 3 года назад

    There's a difference between a joke and a threat

  • @drewberrynews3875
    @drewberrynews3875 3 года назад

    Actually I like Palmer's attitude about this. I mean his team was terrible and it sat squarely on the coaching staff. Okoye and Hurd were good depth for the Chiefs so Palmer wasn't going to get a lot of touches anyway. So getting traded wasn't so bad. Not sure why after the 89 season he wasn't with the cowboys??

  • @randymiller6665
    @randymiller6665 Год назад

    So it would've been okay to BELIEVE this as long as you don't SAY it...& That's okay?

  • @kujo5998
    @kujo5998 3 года назад

    Just sayin, you needed to start this video at the 6:45 mark… the first 6:45 minutes are, completely unnecessary…

  • @poohbear4130
    @poohbear4130 3 года назад

    Wondering how many fumbles and interceptions happened without anyone hearing anything and getting some one fired?

  • @TheLoobis
    @TheLoobis 3 года назад

    5:50 Okay, I've already lost interest.

  • @truthspeaks6557
    @truthspeaks6557 3 года назад

    Seeing this now... the whole team in 2021 intentionally loses for draft picks... whats the difference

  • @MormonMustang_
    @MormonMustang_ 3 года назад

    He had to be on drugs. As a recovering addict, I'll go out on a limb and say that was his destructive vice.

  • @billallen8998
    @billallen8998 Год назад

    Palmer didn't really say it...Ganz lied about it.

  • @leetakamiya
    @leetakamiya 3 года назад

    Would it have been so hard to work in his nickname? “Boo boo”

  • @russellseilhamer4552
    @russellseilhamer4552 3 года назад

    I think Palmer was too small to be an every down back in the pros. I would definitely use him on punt and kickoff returns and as a Preston Pearson type receiving back. This story illustrates how important it is for every player to find their niche, for the coaching staff to believe in them and nurture their abilities, for the said running back not to have fumbling issues or dropped pass issues. I saw the college highlights; the holes were much bigger than what you see in the NFL, he had good speed but he wasn’t Tony Dorsett. A coaching staff on the way to being fired anyway has all the incentive in the world to torpedo Palmers career. I don’t think the punishment fit the crime but we don’t live in a world of conjecture. He made a mistake with his mouth and paid dearly for it

  • @scottaznavourian3720
    @scottaznavourian3720 3 года назад

    Ganz couldn't tell the truth...that the star force flooded his base on Pluto...

  • @ezellohar_caranthir
    @ezellohar_caranthir 3 года назад

    From 6:44 it starts. Massive coaching overreaction blah blah

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 года назад

    The chiefs and the jets were kindred spirits back then decent talent but horrible coaches and shaky drafting.

  • @ryanb4533
    @ryanb4533 3 года назад

    It doesn’t sound like the ‘joke’ had anything to do with how his career went.

  • @TheLoobis
    @TheLoobis 3 года назад

    A joke ended his career? That sucks

  • @MarquisdeSuave
    @MarquisdeSuave 3 года назад

    Paul Palmer, the 80's version of Felix Jones.

  • @johndaley9594
    @johndaley9594 3 года назад

    TO BE FAR for all you younger folks...now keep in mind, I have been in therapy for 10 plus years...but in 1986, ppl didnt just go to therapy, and if they did, they certainly did NOT talk about it...and for the most part is was taboo for a man to do it..so there is that