Feed AI with a bunch of COBOL snippets, it will learn to replicate them for new applications and types of hardware in a heartbeat. Maybe it has already even been done. Helps because most COBOL code out there by default does the most basic tasks.
Regarding COBOL It's still used in some systems especially in banking. There are so few people that know it that you get paid quite a lot if you understand COBOL and can deploy on mainframes.
Yes, it's the same with LISP! I'm 26 years old and I learned LISP and COBOL at university. Everyone told me "don't do it" for a lot of stupid reasons with no arguments. Today, most of the people I work with are close to retirement, so in a few years I'll probably be the only one in my company who can understand how our business logic works. I'll (almost) literally be the only person who can work on the oldest and most specific projects still in use today. The company I'm currently working for has understood this, and they pay me a lot more than my manager, because if I leave, there'll be nobody left to write COBOL programs. They try to recruit young people, but nobody wants to do COBOL :/
@@losing_interest_in_everythingany advice for me? I understand cobol and know how to compile with JCL and use on the mainframe even within a CICS region deployed via jcl as well.
@@BlueDippy Personally, if I had to hire a junior COBOL developer, I'd expect from him /her Cloud skills and a decent level of Java. I'd also expect an understanding of z/OS and the IBM ecosystem (DB2, TSO and IMS), and of course SQL! Otherwise, knowledge of eclipse-based development environments for the mainframe (IBM IDz, Topaz ) and UNIX knowledge would be a plus. So I don't have any special advice for you. Trust yourself and apply for jobs. It won't cost you anything to apply.
@@losing_interest_in_everything I use TSO/ISPF with x3270 I hate zowe…. I understand DB2 and SQL still learning about IMS. Java though? Is that like a necessity?
@@BlueDippy Many companies use Java alongside mainframe services. It's not a necessity, but knowing how to use Java is a serious advantage. It all depends on the company and its needs. For example, in my company, we have Cloud services that require Java developers with basic knowledge of COBOL and mainframe. Some of our developers only do COBOL and are mainly assigned to the maintenance of historical services. They develop almost nothing in COBOL because we try to reduce the addition of COBOL code to our services. Personally, my position requires the use of COBOL, Java, C, ASM and LISP. That's why Java is important. It's not a necessity, but it gives you a big advantage when you apply!
I used to like it as a mechanical engineering student, but that's because we only know matlab... Once you know python for science, it's extremely powerful, fast enough, and most importantly FREE
Python is not the solution to every problem lol. I use python more than Matlab and I know it has great resources, but there are some especific applications that python won't help e.g control system analysis and many others.
@@matloose Python isn't a solution it's an extremely versatile tool. And yes, I've used both Python and C for running analysis on PID systems when I was working on robotics. Matlab is slow, painful to use, requires a paid license, and you're pretty much locked in with what you've got.
@@rentokawaii1216 Matlab stands for Matrix Laboratuary. Matrices in mathematics start with index 1 so it only makes sense for matlab to use index 1 aswell.
Matlab has a great community, and great tutorials on the official web page, the only down side is that is not free and is very expensive. But for quick prototyping and engineering is amazing, for filter design and control design is one of the best tools. I think that some times people skip the learning curve that involves grabbing a new language and start a bad relationship with the language. I love matlab but a understand why some people hate it.
@@hamm8934 Have you ever done anything that used physical hardware? Matlab has so many features objectively not present in any other language or ecosystem, things like control libraries and MPC
@@theshermantanker7043 Cobol isn't going anywhere either. Like it or not (probably not), but it's ingrained enough that it's going to take a loong time to replace it, especially according to the "why change what works?" principle.
Learning Matlab in the university was pretty cool, all variables are a type of matrix and you can do matrix operations in a flash, learned a lot of image manipulation (same as you can do with opencv now days) as well as having lots of cool modules such as Simulink to build complex mechanical simulations with block diagrams, modifying inputs and checking outputs, and also biochem modules and biological simulations as well. But... The scripts were slow as hell. In conclusion, python wins hahaha
People hugely underestimate the power of VBA. So many huge corporations need people to program macros. I got a job out of college where I used VBA more than any other language and made some really good money
Yeah, you can write huge, horrible, completely unmaintainable applications using VBA. And if you encounter one of the many problems Microsoft created, there is always an equally horrible workaround to be found on StackOverflow. I know. I've done it.
I think VBA is really cool, because its really easy to learn and to understand. Learning programming in Excel is one of the best paths to learn programming i think.
VBA is used in Access, too. And that's a good place to start if you're just learning how to build databases. I don't really see anything wrong with VBA.
I love VBA with Excel. There's so much office work you can automate with it and like another commenter said is a good way to learn the ropes of programming.
I beg to differ, I think if we weighted how popular a language is with how much people hate it, Js would take the cake, what to expect from a language designed in only 10 days.
@@marc_frank Mayo Technical School now called Big Sandy Community and Technical College. Paintsville, KY. Changed from School to College the 2nd year I was there. Got a diploma instead a degree. We had a System36 that emulated a AS400. Then the 2nd year they had an actual AS400.
I'm 33 years old and got fed up with web development in React.js, Express.js and Django, so I learned cobol. Best decision I ever made. I'm actually getting to develop lots of new things, and I get to work on systems that performs a lot of mission critical functions.
With Oracle and other RDMS, newer COBOL isn't that bad. Previously, the job stream had steps to sort and prepare the data. Much of the applications were organizing the data so the next step could use it. Now, SQL does the heavy lifting.
Matlab is great for engineering and almost exclusively used for such; I use it quite frequently to generate digital filter coefficients and (rarely) for high level synthesis, both for PLDs.
Yeah and that's the only thing it should be used for. When I started working at ABB (one of the biggest power electronics companies) I was absolutely shocked to see the majority of the control software for the trains programmed in MATLAB/Simulink💀💀
VBA is _awesome._ It interacts with Excel and with the operating system _flawlessly._ It is also easy to read and understand. VBScript also interacts with the operating system and, you can declare the proper object to interact with any application that chooses to support that interaction. You can rag on VB and it's derivatives, but they work flawlessly with Windows and that means the vast majority of business computers.
I taught myself BASIC on a Commodore Vic 20. When I got my programming degree in 1987, the primary language was COBOL, because the main employer in the area was state government, and they all had IBM mainframes. COBOL was pretty universal. IBM had only released their first PC a couple of years before. I coded in COBOL until 2001, when I was offered a chance to transition to Windows Server applications programming in VB6. That was great, but when we transitioned to C#, it was even better. That's what I coded in until I retired in 2016. But I actually liked COBOL. It was great for batch programming and OLTP. It was quite procedural, but later, after I left COBOL, IBM created a version that had objective features. I never used it, but I suspect it might have been interesting.
You're wrong about COBOL, First of all C is almost the same age as COBOL. 80% of all financial transactions in the world is governed and implemented by COBOL.
Cobal may be hated, but as you said, it’s used to maintain legacy code, and it used to be huge so there are a lot of big companies willing to pay a lot of big numbers to people who can keep their old code running. It’s one of those “you won’t enjoy the work, but your paycheck will make you not think about that
COBOL is hated because its syntax requires keywords which are redundant, after the first keyword has already determined what the statement is -- a redesigned COBOL could replace these keywords with commas.
@Bakunawa it's popular by use, not because everyone likes it. Hell I have to use it for work and the language is utter garbage, don't get me started on angular...
@Bakunawa ah fellow dev. May you be blessed with good debugging sessions and stress free progress reports during monday morning meetings. PS: I like ts much better but its still polish on turd of a language imo.
I’m very surprised that VB is in here, I learned basic on a C64, then basic on DOS then moved into visual basics for excel and also the standalone version. I did learn C, C++ and C + Turbo but it just felt that basic was easier to use. I made HTML editors, Fruit/slot machines/ other games too, also database for a cashing check shop. Picture editing programs, hand writing recognition and programs to link with LCD displays. Probably a lot more I don’t remember over the years but I personally found it easy to use.
Honestly, I use to shit on matlab a lot, but it has one feature that makes it so for me in Computer Engineering….. I will probably always use it. The MATLAB to C is invaluable. That fact that it can generate compilable source C and even VHDL with parallelization. It’s just too good if you want to write super efficient algorithms and don’t want to spend a week writing it in C when it would take a couple minutes in python or matlab.
You gotta remember the worst feature of MATLAB It uses 1-based indexing Edit: Welcome to 1-Based Indexing Land, where all of your favourite languages with 1-based indexing can be found
Actually MATLAB is confusing than Python 2/3. MATLAB is absurd to spend $800 per year or $2200 permanent. They're out of their minds spending excessively amount of money.
CISC architectures from the 70s and 80s can actually be quite fun to write asm for, because those instruction sets were designed when microprocessors were slow and it was common for programmers to write asm, so they have useful instructions, flags, and addressing modes to make programming in asm by hand easier. Memory was expensive so it was important to get things done in as few bytes as possible. x86 is (sadly, imo) the only one of these architectures that's survived to continued relevance in PCs today. Nowadays memory is cheap, CPUs are fast, and most code is in high level languages with smart compilers, and the design of modern RISC instruction sets reflects this. Power efficiency and instructions per cycle, rather than byte count, is king. The instruction sets are optimized for the compilers rather than human programmers. So they're naturally indeed quite painful to have to program in asm yourself. Especially the early ones that had crap like branch delay slots.
Assembly was better than machine language. I got to do both, for the 6502 and the 8080. I took an APL course too…anyone remember APL? I dabbled in PASCAL, but never liked it.
The good thing with COBOL is that, like, 95% of all security intensive systems like banking services and government servers use it, and they are DESPERATE for maintenance, so if they find a COBOL developer, he gets paid as much as the CEO because he becomes the only person actually capable of working on their main system without tanking the global economy 🤣
Dude it is the backbone of banking infrastructure, it’s only useful on the mainframe because of its reliability and record handling. Over 900 billion lines of cobol code is used daily.
Don't hate on VBA. Anybody with a copy of office can learn to code and increase their productivity by orders of magnitude. Other software also uses VBA for writing macros including SolidWorks (CAD software used in engineering) which makes some otherwise tedious or even impossible tasks easy.
Matlab and VBA are both very useful. If you’re an engineer and you want to write some code quickly to do a real job then they’re efficient and flexible. These people aren’t writing code to do sales profiling nonsense like how many times did someone click and order a frozen Pizza from Walmart.
I used to work as a consultant for a firm who handled payments for employees as a service (all in one bookkeeper software etc) their mainframe is still 40% written in COBOL. In 2020 during the pandemic. They hired a couple of retired programmers to help fix a critical bug. They ended up paying about 700€ per day after taxes just because nobody else qualified to do it.
(1). If you want a free MATLAB-like environment, try SCILAB. Keep in mind that MATLAB and SCILAB are not programming languages per se. They are numerical environments for solving problems and doing simulations for a variety of engineering applications. The programming of functions and scripts in these environments is similar to what Fortran 77 was like, without the heavy formatting for output. They also include a lot of matrix-based routines that facilitate solutions. (2). VBA is quite primitive, I mean it is just BASIC, a very elementary language, embedded in Excel’s objects. However, if you already use Excel for handling your data, as many business do, knowing how to program VBA gives you a clear advantage. I used to teach a college -level numerically-oriented course on VBA programming that was quite liked by civil engineering students.
As physics major and working on both python and Matlab, I found that some of the numerical approximation algorithm can only run on Matlab due to speed. Python frequently crashes even tho they are the exact same code and same computer. I still think matlab is quite good at some tasks as someone said in the chat as well
I was on a forum that specializes in CAD code development. I solved the problem in c#. They asked if I could give it to them in VBA instead... I did not.
Maybe we walked similar paths, I got into coding because I wanted to do awesome things with excel and VBA was about it. Then I thought damn I like all of this. Maybe you know how to do time series with tensorflow?
I use it as a pharmacy intern building excel calculators for drug dosing. I feel like I'm getting good at it, but at the same time it seems like there's a way easier way to do everything I do.
You’ll be surprised how many Fortune 500 companies use vba for many of their in-house developments and automation. Great tool and not that hard to learn. It gives a lot of possibilities to the whole office suite.
my grandpa (now passed 😔) would tell me stories about how he used to work for a company with a tech job. he would use punch cards to use the computers!
You have no idea what the limits of what VBA could do in office environments. You can create an integrated system with Access, Excel, Outlook. That alone is half of the reasons I'm still needed in the office.
@@CodingWithLewis people HATE java. As much as they do, they hate even more and people always hope they wont need to use it or they try to switch to something else. Every java application ive used has run worse thsn electron 😆 I don't evrn wanna get into the oracle stuff...
COBOL is insanely powerful for large scale data manipulation. Yes, I was a COBOL programmer and it's very good for its target use case. This guy has no idea!
I have happy memories of vba. Im glad it was my first language. I programmed in it for 4 years. 3 professionally too. Shout out to the wiseowl RUclips channel.
*Assembly* language? Meh. Still too high level. I'm rather partial to hand-written 65c816 machine language code when doing SNES ROM hacks, myself. Oh, the hours I spent recalculating the offsets to all of my branch instructions manually because I forgot to add one single instruction in my code... ...Well now, I suppose we're now just waiting for someone to walk in here talking about having a steady hand, a magnetized needle, and a hard disk platter as their dev environment... :D
Me who is learning how to code from different communities (of programmers) and youtube for free And I built my first project a month ago and I am trying to add mechanical switch control to that project.
MATLAB is something that people have been forced to use it because of academics. Due to outdated guides, books and curriculum, MATLAB is still king in the university space. At the same time while Python with it's scipy and numpy exists, while being less heavy and FREE, unlike MATLAB, because for some reason MathPoint still wants to make money.
I love this podcast as an 18 year old because it shows how deep the knowledge well goes, it is like I am listening to two wizards discuss ancient spellcasting techniques before the advent of wands
I studied many languages but was able understand Objective-C first😅. Objective-C is where I got my first job as an iOS Developer. Then moved to using Swift along with Objective-C. Objective-C and Swift taught me a lot. Also learned JS along the way. Now I am professionally working in Java as a JavaCard Developer and also studying C and C++ for my personal project.
Curiously enough, given the age of COBOL and the scarcity of COBOL devs, it is actually in high demand due to the fact that a lot of banks and hospitals still have systems than run on COBOL
One of my friends is a COBOL programmer and she loves it. She gets paid a fortune to port legacy code by companies who have been keeping it for way to long and have none left to maintain it.
I am a cobol developer... whatever new techs i learn, ultimately, cobol is what is giving me bread and butter. Love it or hate it, but u cant ignore it for upcoming 50 more years
What language do you hate the most? 🤔
english
@@ahmadalghali90lol
@@ahmadalghali90 if English was a programming language, it wouldn't be straight forward
Ada
@Bakunawa hmmm
Fuck me. I learned my first programming with matlab and vba. No fucking why I was traumatized
🤣🤣🤣
😂
My introduction was Turbo Pascal
You might be an engineering student... Lol once you know python you can throw those in trash
@ACDavid you're telling me you started learning at 7 nice
I started at late 12 I'm 13 rn
Him trying to hype the last reveal
Subtitles: let me ruin it for u
@Glitter thanks 😂😂 a reply after 5 months Damm 😂😂
A take one more. I was thinking same btw.
I saw the subtitle, and immediately went to find out if anyone commented 😂
🤣🤣
Can I hop in this now???
Whoever picks up that COBOL developer job won't be sad after they see their paycheck.
That's because COBOL developers are an endangered species. Hard to find one.
COBOL now has many modern features that are rarely used. The syntax is ugly and wordy.
It’s a myth.. banks don’t pay devs well
Yep. My uncle is living the dream.
Feed AI with a bunch of COBOL snippets, it will learn to replicate them for new applications and types of hardware in a heartbeat. Maybe it has already even been done. Helps because most COBOL code out there by default does the most basic tasks.
Regarding COBOL
It's still used in some systems especially in banking.
There are so few people that know it that you get paid quite a lot if you understand COBOL and can deploy on mainframes.
Yes, it's the same with LISP! I'm 26 years old and I learned LISP and COBOL at university. Everyone told me "don't do it" for a lot of stupid reasons with no arguments. Today, most of the people I work with are close to retirement, so in a few years I'll probably be the only one in my company who can understand how our business logic works. I'll (almost) literally be the only person who can work on the oldest and most specific projects still in use today. The company I'm currently working for has understood this, and they pay me a lot more than my manager, because if I leave, there'll be nobody left to write COBOL programs. They try to recruit young people, but nobody wants to do COBOL :/
@@losing_interest_in_everythingany advice for me? I understand cobol and know how to compile with JCL and use on the mainframe even within a CICS region deployed via jcl as well.
@@BlueDippy Personally, if I had to hire a junior COBOL developer, I'd expect from him /her Cloud skills and a decent level of Java. I'd also expect an understanding of z/OS and the IBM ecosystem (DB2, TSO and IMS), and of course SQL! Otherwise, knowledge of eclipse-based development environments for the mainframe (IBM IDz, Topaz ) and UNIX knowledge would be a plus.
So I don't have any special advice for you. Trust yourself and apply for jobs. It won't cost you anything to apply.
@@losing_interest_in_everything I use TSO/ISPF with x3270 I hate zowe…. I understand DB2 and SQL still learning about IMS. Java though? Is that like a necessity?
@@BlueDippy Many companies use Java alongside mainframe services. It's not a necessity, but knowing how to use Java is a serious advantage. It all depends on the company and its needs.
For example, in my company, we have Cloud services that require Java developers with basic knowledge of COBOL and mainframe. Some of our developers only do COBOL and are mainly assigned to the maintenance of historical services. They develop almost nothing in COBOL because we try to reduce the addition of COBOL code to our services. Personally, my position requires the use of COBOL, Java, C, ASM and LISP.
That's why Java is important. It's not a necessity, but it gives you a big advantage when you apply!
I like how he made a dramatic pause before COBOL, but subtitles literally showed the whole sentence
he really damn needed a spoiler for that, mood killer fr fr
Why not brainfuck?
Plus a drumroll. 😂
Good programmer but not a good video editor it seems 😅
I know for a fact that a lot of banks still use COBOL.
Isnt that a scary thought?!
It may not be modern but it is robust
@@CodingWithLewis it's not, I am glad they can handle billions operation without a bug for the last 40 years.
@ without a bug? Funny
@@CodingWithLewis it also explains some of the stories I've heard regarding Bank systems.
Matlab is extremelly powerful if you use it for the tasks it was designed for. There is a reason why it is widely used by engineers and scientists.
I used to like it as a mechanical engineering student, but that's because we only know matlab... Once you know python for science, it's extremely powerful, fast enough, and most importantly FREE
There’s an open source alternative to matlab called octave, although not all functionalities of matlab is supported.
No engineers and scientists use matlab over python or even fortran. Engineering and science classes in undergrad is a different story
Python is not the solution to every problem lol. I use python more than Matlab and I know it has great resources, but there are some especific applications that python won't help e.g control system analysis and many others.
@@matloose Python isn't a solution it's an extremely versatile tool. And yes, I've used both Python and C for running analysis on PID systems when I was working on robotics. Matlab is slow, painful to use, requires a paid license, and you're pretty much locked in with what you've got.
MATLAB has by far the best documentation of any language I’ve used
But matlab is ded cause of python
man i love an array index thats start from 1
@@rentokawaii1216 Usually that's what these science targeted programming languages do. Arrays indexed from 1 also has R and Octave.
@@rentokawaii1216 Matlab stands for Matrix Laboratuary. Matrices in mathematics start with index 1 so it only makes sense for matlab to use index 1 aswell.
In my opinion it’s too good, it’s almost impossible to figure out what anything means in that encyclopedia
VBA was my first, it was fun since it was the first programming language that introduced me to the world of programming 🥰
I remember the Y2K problem - some COBOL programmers were able to cash in on their 'obsolete' skills big time.
Matlab has a great community, and great tutorials on the official web page, the only down side is that is not free and is very expensive. But for quick prototyping and engineering is amazing, for filter design and control design is one of the best tools. I think that some times people skip the learning curve that involves grabbing a new language and start a bad relationship with the language. I love matlab but a understand why some people hate it.
Just learn R. It has everything matlab, and more. Plus it’s completely free.
@@hamm8934 It has none of the toolkits, a huge benefit of matlab.
Python better than all
@@chop098 After a quick search, R has most, if not all of Matlab's tool kids in the form of libraries. One of the many perks of being open source.
@@hamm8934 Have you ever done anything that used physical hardware? Matlab has so many features objectively not present in any other language or ecosystem, things like control libraries and MPC
Php devs escaped this time
Edit im a php dev
PHP isn't going anywhere, like it or not. I don't use it myself but it's not a bad language honestly, from the time I had with it
@@theshermantanker7043 lol I was just messing around
I use php
It's not php devs' fault that php is a garbage fire. If you manage to be productive despite all the trash php throws at you, the more power to you!
@@theshermantanker7043 Cobol isn't going anywhere either. Like it or not (probably not), but it's ingrained enough that it's going to take a loong time to replace it, especially according to the "why change what works?" principle.
@@asdfghyter lol laravel is a very lovely framework
Very very lovely
Learning Matlab in the university was pretty cool, all variables are a type of matrix and you can do matrix operations in a flash, learned a lot of image manipulation (same as you can do with opencv now days) as well as having lots of cool modules such as Simulink to build complex mechanical simulations with block diagrams, modifying inputs and checking outputs, and also biochem modules and biological simulations as well. But... The scripts were slow as hell. In conclusion, python wins hahaha
I'm gonna pretend I understand what you said
@@quankhanh8533you and meh, both
People hugely underestimate the power of VBA. So many huge corporations need people to program macros. I got a job out of college where I used VBA more than any other language and made some really good money
Yeah, you can write huge, horrible, completely unmaintainable applications using VBA. And if you encounter one of the many problems Microsoft created, there is always an equally horrible workaround to be found on StackOverflow. I know. I've done it.
Didn’t Excel just add Python support though?
I think VBA is really cool, because its really easy to learn and to understand. Learning programming in Excel is one of the best paths to learn programming i think.
Oh great!
VBA is used in Access, too. And that's a good place to start if you're just learning how to build databases. I don't really see anything wrong with VBA.
I love VBA with Excel. There's so much office work you can automate with it and like another commenter said is a good way to learn the ropes of programming.
I beg to differ, I think if we weighted how popular a language is with how much people hate it, Js would take the cake, what to expect from a language designed in only 10 days.
Lol and here's me with COBOL being the first language I ever dedicated myself to learning 😂
You are probably at a 900 IQ
Started with COBOL 74, then RPG 2, then BASIC. Worked as a programmer for little over a year. Then moved on. Could be behind a desk all day.
@@gregkilgore4035 could or could't?
where did you go if the latter?
@@marc_frank Mayo Technical School now called Big Sandy Community and Technical College. Paintsville, KY. Changed from School to College the 2nd year I was there. Got a diploma instead a degree.
We had a System36 that emulated a AS400. Then the 2nd year they had an actual AS400.
@@marc_frank misunderstood the question at first. 😆.
Couldn't be behind a desk all day.
Back to construction work. Laborer and equipment operator.
I'm 33 years old and got fed up with web development in React.js, Express.js and Django, so I learned cobol. Best decision I ever made. I'm actually getting to develop lots of new things, and I get to work on systems that performs a lot of mission critical functions.
With Oracle and other RDMS, newer COBOL isn't that bad. Previously, the job stream had steps to sort and prepare the data. Much of the applications were organizing the data so the next step could use it. Now, SQL does the heavy lifting.
Maybe I should learn COBOL
Pov: you were waiting for css
Assembly: hold my code
Matlab is great for engineering and almost exclusively used for such; I use it quite frequently to generate digital filter coefficients and (rarely) for high level synthesis, both for PLDs.
It’s used in all of science. Like the university I went to was using it in Radiology at their hospital for certain things
How the hell do you put Matlab up there, Matlab is used for adding some extra logic into math compared for these general purpose languages
I’d rather use an abacus for math than Matlab for anything lol
Yeah and that's the only thing it should be used for. When I started working at ABB (one of the biggest power electronics companies) I was absolutely shocked to see the majority of the control software for the trains programmed in MATLAB/Simulink💀💀
Cos mat lab is aids to use.
I wrote my thesis on electrochemistry theory on Matlab, I used it because my university gave me the licence tho.
And cobol is literary business pacific language it’s not turning complete
VBA is _awesome._ It interacts with Excel and with the operating system _flawlessly._ It is also easy to read and understand. VBScript also interacts with the operating system and, you can declare the proper object to interact with any application that chooses to support that interaction. You can rag on VB and it's derivatives, but they work flawlessly with Windows and that means the vast majority of business computers.
I taught myself BASIC on a Commodore Vic 20. When I got my programming degree in 1987, the primary language was COBOL, because the main employer in the area was state government, and they all had IBM mainframes. COBOL was pretty universal. IBM had only released their first PC a couple of years before. I coded in COBOL until 2001, when I was offered a chance to transition to Windows Server applications programming in VB6. That was great, but when we transitioned to C#, it was even better. That's what I coded in until I retired in 2016.
But I actually liked COBOL. It was great for batch programming and OLTP. It was quite procedural, but later, after I left COBOL, IBM created a version that had objective features. I never used it, but I suspect it might have been interesting.
I actually managed to break into the grading system in high school using simple BASIC. I didn't change anything, though. I was too scared.
I have years of COBOL experience and although I’ve seen jobs that pay well I have not had a depression deep enough to go back to it … yet
You're wrong about COBOL,
First of all C is almost the same age as COBOL.
80% of all financial transactions in the world is governed and implemented by COBOL.
Nope. COBOL was already two decades old when C came to be. A little quiz for the uninitiated: what do you think this means?
MOVE a OF b TO c OF d;
I like Matlab, it's simulink feature is great for chemical engineers. Combining Matlab with python you can do some crazy mathematical stuff incl ML
Cobal may be hated, but as you said, it’s used to maintain legacy code, and it used to be huge so there are a lot of big companies willing to pay a lot of big numbers to people who can keep their old code running. It’s one of those “you won’t enjoy the work, but your paycheck will make you not think about that
VBA is so straight forward... never understood why its so hated.
COBOL is hated because its syntax requires keywords which are redundant, after the first keyword has already determined what the statement is -- a redesigned COBOL could replace these keywords with commas.
expected to see javascript here...
excuse me, I’m hoping you mean javascript not typescript
Not enough people hate it :)
Where you see chaos I see freedom
@Bakunawa it's popular by use, not because everyone likes it. Hell I have to use it for work and the language is utter garbage, don't get me started on angular...
@Bakunawa ah fellow dev. May you be blessed with good debugging sessions and stress free progress reports during monday morning meetings.
PS: I like ts much better but its still polish on turd of a language imo.
Grouping groovy with These absolute ass languages when theres ABAP out there is just nitpicking in the same way JavaScript and php get flack
I really don't understand, why do you call Matlab programming language ?
because he doesn't know what he's talking about
Because it is one? What does this question mean
@@orinbrim it's a scripting language, more of a toolset like R studio than something like python or C++
@@percyvile you can program something with a scripting language, can't you? therefor all scripting languages are programming languages as well
@@alimertc Wrong. By that logic bash scripts are programs.
My first programming language was VB6, so VBA was a piece of cake. Actually really enjoyed it, especially with MS Access
Ironically VBA is what got me interested in programming cause I could make cool interactive stuff with it easily
Me: playing the video for the 5th time and wondering when Haskell will show up
I’m very surprised that VB is in here, I learned basic on a C64, then basic on DOS then moved into visual basics for excel and also the standalone version. I did learn C, C++ and C + Turbo but it just felt that basic was easier to use. I made HTML editors, Fruit/slot machines/ other games too, also database for a cashing check shop. Picture editing programs, hand writing recognition and programs to link with LCD displays. Probably a lot more I don’t remember over the years but I personally found it easy to use.
Jeez I thought I was the only one hating Matlab (I'm studying engineering but also working as developer)
I like the part where he explained why these languages are supposedly hated.
I love matlab (gnu octave is free version) but matlab is made for working with matrices….so math engineering and science not a general language.
Matlab was with me for the 5 past year during my college,and i still don't understand it
People hate objective c but still force using it still force using it since a lot of applications use obj-c
Him: There’s not much you can do with Cobol
The Banks: 😬😬😬
He forgot about ABAP mentioning COBOL ^^
Man really taking shots at Jenkins with that groovy call out
I love visual basic im gona cry i program all sorts of stuff with it
isnt it used to make windows applications? am studying a course on it currently
Honestly, I use to shit on matlab a lot, but it has one feature that makes it so for me in Computer Engineering….. I will probably always use it. The MATLAB to C is invaluable. That fact that it can generate compilable source C and even VHDL with parallelization. It’s just too good if you want to write super efficient algorithms and don’t want to spend a week writing it in C when it would take a couple minutes in python or matlab.
You gotta remember the worst feature of MATLAB
It uses 1-based indexing
Edit: Welcome to 1-Based Indexing Land, where all of your favourite languages with 1-based indexing can be found
Introducing, Lua
So does Pascal.
Because it's for people who use matrices, not programmers.
I think R does as well
Introducing, Scratch
Men of Matlab, Resist. Fight !!!! 💂🗡️ 💂🗡️ 💂🗡️
Is it a hard course ? I have it next year
@@everythinggush easier than Python
Actually MATLAB is confusing than Python 2/3. MATLAB is absurd to spend $800 per year or $2200 permanent. They're out of their minds spending excessively amount of money.
@@Mnerd7368 I understand that it is costly but you get a licence from your uni or organisation.
I like MATLAB. Very useful videos to help me in my Signal Processing classes
stay away from MATLAB. It makes you lazy and does not have a proper structure for making a code. It is only good for doing the homework.
Assembly? Anyone? Like seriously... Learning it is the embodiment of pain itself
CISC architectures from the 70s and 80s can actually be quite fun to write asm for, because those instruction sets were designed when microprocessors were slow and it was common for programmers to write asm, so they have useful instructions, flags, and addressing modes to make programming in asm by hand easier. Memory was expensive so it was important to get things done in as few bytes as possible.
x86 is (sadly, imo) the only one of these architectures that's survived to continued relevance in PCs today.
Nowadays memory is cheap, CPUs are fast, and most code is in high level languages with smart compilers, and the design of modern RISC instruction sets reflects this. Power efficiency and instructions per cycle, rather than byte count, is king. The instruction sets are optimized for the compilers rather than human programmers. So they're naturally indeed quite painful to have to program in asm yourself. Especially the early ones that had crap like branch delay slots.
Assembly was better than machine language. I got to do both, for the 6502 and the 8080. I took an APL course too…anyone remember APL? I dabbled in PASCAL, but never liked it.
The good thing with COBOL is that, like, 95% of all security intensive systems like banking services and government servers use it, and they are DESPERATE for maintenance, so if they find a COBOL developer, he gets paid as much as the CEO because he becomes the only person actually capable of working on their main system without tanking the global economy 🤣
Why is Matlab lacking basic programming functions. Some concepts like abstract classes are easier in Matlab than in Python.
Assembly has got to be on this list
Why?
which assembly?
For COBOL, yes you can! It’s used in some banks and stuff.
Dude it is the backbone of banking infrastructure, it’s only useful on the mainframe because of its reliability and record handling.
Over 900 billion lines of cobol code is used daily.
COBOL is actually pretty used in banking systems and numerical sims! (Along w fortran)
Don't hate on VBA. Anybody with a copy of office can learn to code and increase their productivity by orders of magnitude. Other software also uses VBA for writing macros including SolidWorks (CAD software used in engineering) which makes some otherwise tedious or even impossible tasks easy.
Me who still uses scratch:
Man imagine hating something purely because it is old
Bro, I think you forgot to mention PHP 😂
Yeah, I use PHP, and I was expecting to see it on the list. It was number 2 on a list I saw somewhere for lowest pay.
PHP is a fairly easy language so I wouldn’t hate on it. You can hate the jobs that require it though.
"There is no bad PHP, only bad PHP programmers."
Matlab and VBA are both very useful. If you’re an engineer and you want to write some code quickly to do a real job then they’re efficient and flexible. These people aren’t writing code to do sales profiling nonsense like how many times did someone click and order a frozen Pizza from Walmart.
I used to work as a consultant for a firm who handled payments for employees as a service (all in one bookkeeper software etc) their mainframe is still 40% written in COBOL. In 2020 during the pandemic. They hired a couple of retired programmers to help fix a critical bug. They ended up paying about 700€ per day after taxes just because nobody else qualified to do it.
I used Groovy for like a year and it was pretty easy really
It’s legit the easiest language lmao
Agreed, this bloke has no clue about it
It's very good with spock for testing Java/Kotlin code. I would not choose it instead of Java/Kotlin to write application though
MATLAB is one of the easiest. Sorry man, you haven't programmed in MATLAB at all. You want to multiply two matrices? Do A*B.
Sure man.
Exactly. Everyone saying Python is a better alternative are funny. In Python you have to import numpy and do like numpy.mult([A],[B]) or some shit
(1). If you want a free MATLAB-like environment, try SCILAB. Keep in mind that MATLAB and SCILAB are not programming languages per se. They are numerical environments for solving problems and doing simulations for a variety of engineering applications. The programming of functions and scripts in these environments is similar to what Fortran 77 was like, without the heavy formatting for output. They also include a lot of matrix-based routines that facilitate solutions. (2). VBA is quite primitive, I mean it is just BASIC, a very elementary language, embedded in Excel’s objects. However, if you already use Excel for handling your data, as many business do, knowing how to program VBA gives you a clear advantage. I used to teach a college -level numerically-oriented course on VBA programming that was quite liked by civil engineering students.
OCTAVE too
As physics major and working on both python and Matlab, I found that some of the numerical approximation algorithm can only run on Matlab due to speed. Python frequently crashes even tho they are the exact same code and same computer.
I still think matlab is quite good at some tasks as someone said in the chat as well
PHP: why im not in the list?
I was on a forum that specializes in CAD code development. I solved the problem in c#.
They asked if I could give it to them in VBA instead... I did not.
Visual Basic was my first programming language 😂
and your thoughts? 🤔
Same. Made a simple calculator app with it in elementary.
@@CodingWithLewis I only wrote 2 little programs.
I guess it is a pretty simple language, but else I don't know what I should think about it
Maybe we walked similar paths, I got into coding because I wanted to do awesome things with excel and VBA was about it. Then I thought damn I like all of this. Maybe you know how to do time series with tensorflow?
I use it as a pharmacy intern building excel calculators for drug dosing. I feel like I'm getting good at it, but at the same time it seems like there's a way easier way to do everything I do.
PL/SQL gets a bad rap, but it's not too bad when compared to these other five.
You’ll be surprised how many Fortune 500 companies use vba for many of their in-house developments and automation. Great tool and not that hard to learn. It gives a lot of possibilities to the whole office suite.
my grandpa (now passed 😔) would tell me stories about how he used to work for a company with a tech job. he would use punch cards to use the computers!
But “brainfuck”, the best language ever
What about brainf*ck
Not used enough :)
anybody using brainf*ck are only doing it for the challenge
@@binguloid have you seen the ai that can code in bf
Try Malbolge
Groovy is my favorite language! 🤷🤣
I love VBA!
You have no idea what the limits of what VBA could do in office environments. You can create an integrated system with Access, Excel, Outlook. That alone is half of the reasons I'm still needed in the office.
Him :- "If You Are Using VB Outside Excel, It's Sad."
Meanwhile, Hackers, Who Make MS Office Macros Using VB :- 🤨🤔😳🤯😵☠️.
wonder Java is not in the list.
U r mom
People love Java :)
@@CodingWithLewis, I love Java too. But there's a lot of hate comments on Java.
@@CodingWithLewis people HATE java. As much as they do, they hate even more and people always hope they wont need to use it or they try to switch to something else. Every java application ive used has run worse thsn electron 😆 I don't evrn wanna get into the oracle stuff...
VBA and MATLAB are perfectly fine, I have no idea why people have issues using them
I've heard that VBA devs are actually really sought after for their skills at writing excel macros, at least in my country.
COBOL is insanely powerful for large scale data manipulation. Yes, I was a COBOL programmer and it's very good for its target use case. This guy has no idea!
I have happy memories of vba. Im glad it was my first language. I programmed in it for 4 years. 3 professionally too. Shout out to the wiseowl RUclips channel.
dude, cobol is run inside wireframe computer which usually used for banking and finance.. a friend of mine have 10x my salary doing cobol
COBOL is what a lot of old bank systems still run on so if you know it you might get a good job for a bank but that’s it
"MATLAB is something most people have used"
How are you defining "most people?"
Most people that have studied Mathematics at university? 😂
It’s used in most engineering and science disciplines
*_Assembly Language_*_ joins the chat room._
_Everyone leaves the chat room._
*Assembly* language? Meh. Still too high level.
I'm rather partial to hand-written 65c816 machine language code when doing SNES ROM hacks, myself. Oh, the hours I spent recalculating the offsets to all of my branch instructions manually because I forgot to add one single instruction in my code...
...Well now, I suppose we're now just waiting for someone to walk in here talking about having a steady hand, a magnetized needle, and a hard disk platter as their dev environment... :D
imagine writing a non-portable programming language
"The use of COBOL crippens the mind, it's teaching should be regarded as a criminal offense" -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Me who is learning how to code from different communities (of programmers) and youtube for free
And I built my first project a month ago and I am trying to add mechanical switch control to that project.
School taught me Visual Basic, never want to learn programming after that nightmare
MATLAB is something that people have been forced to use it because of academics. Due to outdated guides, books and curriculum, MATLAB is still king in the university space. At the same time while Python with it's scipy and numpy exists, while being less heavy and FREE, unlike MATLAB, because for some reason MathPoint still wants to make money.
It’s MathWorks, and the reason is obvious why they want to make money
Python and those libraries are cool but the syntax is way nicer in MATLAB
My toxic trait is starting with the most stress inducing programs thinking it means I’m smarter than the rest if I ever get a handle of it
masochism
Im honestly a bit surprised scratch isnt on just because of its limitations
Nah bro. All of these are good. ABAP is a nightmare
I love this podcast as an 18 year old because it shows how deep the knowledge well goes, it is like I am listening to two wizards discuss ancient spellcasting techniques before the advent of wands
I studied many languages but was able understand Objective-C first😅. Objective-C is where I got my first job as an iOS Developer. Then moved to using Swift along with Objective-C. Objective-C and Swift taught me a lot. Also learned JS along the way. Now I am professionally working in Java as a JavaCard Developer and also studying C and C++ for my personal project.
Bruh the title for this video should be: "programming languages you NEVER heard before" 😂😂
Curiously enough, given the age of COBOL and the scarcity of COBOL devs, it is actually in high demand due to the fact that a lot of banks and hospitals still have systems than run on COBOL
One of my friends is a COBOL programmer and she loves it. She gets paid a fortune to port legacy code by companies who have been keeping it for way to long and have none left to maintain it.
I am a cobol developer... whatever new techs i learn, ultimately, cobol is what is giving me bread and butter. Love it or hate it, but u cant ignore it for upcoming 50 more years