I used to like it as a mechanical engineering student, but that's because we only know matlab... Once you know python for science, it's extremely powerful, fast enough, and most importantly FREE
Python is not the solution to every problem lol. I use python more than Matlab and I know it has great resources, but there are some especific applications that python won't help e.g control system analysis and many others.
@@matloose Python isn't a solution it's an extremely versatile tool. And yes, I've used both Python and C for running analysis on PID systems when I was working on robotics. Matlab is slow, painful to use, requires a paid license, and you're pretty much locked in with what you've got.
Regarding COBOL It's still used in some systems especially in banking. There are so few people that know it that you get paid quite a lot if you understand COBOL and can deploy on mainframes.
Yes, it's the same with LISP! I'm 26 years old and I learned LISP and COBOL at university. Everyone told me "don't do it" for a lot of stupid reasons with no arguments. Today, most of the people I work with are close to retirement, so in a few years I'll probably be the only one in my company who can understand how our business logic works. I'll (almost) literally be the only person who can work on the oldest and most specific projects still in use today. The company I'm currently working for has understood this, and they pay me a lot more than my manager, because if I leave, there'll be nobody left to write COBOL programs. They try to recruit young people, but nobody wants to do COBOL :/
@@我的暱稱any advice for me? I understand cobol and know how to compile with JCL and use on the mainframe even within a CICS region deployed via jcl as well.
@@BlueDippy Personally, if I had to hire a junior COBOL developer, I'd expect from him /her Cloud skills and a decent level of Java. I'd also expect an understanding of z/OS and the IBM ecosystem (DB2, TSO and IMS), and of course SQL! Otherwise, knowledge of eclipse-based development environments for the mainframe (IBM IDz, Topaz ) and UNIX knowledge would be a plus. So I don't have any special advice for you. Trust yourself and apply for jobs. It won't cost you anything to apply.
@@BlueDippy Many companies use Java alongside mainframe services. It's not a necessity, but knowing how to use Java is a serious advantage. It all depends on the company and its needs. For example, in my company, we have Cloud services that require Java developers with basic knowledge of COBOL and mainframe. Some of our developers only do COBOL and are mainly assigned to the maintenance of historical services. They develop almost nothing in COBOL because we try to reduce the addition of COBOL code to our services. Personally, my position requires the use of COBOL, Java, C, ASM and LISP. That's why Java is important. It's not a necessity, but it gives you a big advantage when you apply!
Feed AI with a bunch of COBOL snippets, it will learn to replicate them for new applications and types of hardware in a heartbeat. Maybe it has already even been done. Helps because most COBOL code out there by default does the most basic tasks.
@@rentokawaii1216 Matlab stands for Matrix Laboratuary. Matrices in mathematics start with index 1 so it only makes sense for matlab to use index 1 aswell.
I'm 33 years old and got fed up with web development in React.js, Express.js and Django, so I learned cobol. Best decision I ever made. I'm actually getting to develop lots of new things, and I get to work on systems that performs a lot of mission critical functions.
With Oracle and other RDMS, newer COBOL isn't that bad. Previously, the job stream had steps to sort and prepare the data. Much of the applications were organizing the data so the next step could use it. Now, SQL does the heavy lifting.
You've got it figured out. I made a career of going where everybody else wasn't. The pay is great, job security is pretty sweet, and if the company isn't treating you right you're not instantly replicable so you've got plenty of leverage. And you don't have to work with any of that web crap.
Matlab has a great community, and great tutorials on the official web page, the only down side is that is not free and is very expensive. But for quick prototyping and engineering is amazing, for filter design and control design is one of the best tools. I think that some times people skip the learning curve that involves grabbing a new language and start a bad relationship with the language. I love matlab but I understand why some people hate it.
@@hamm8934 Have you ever done anything that used physical hardware? Matlab has so many features objectively not present in any other language or ecosystem, things like control libraries and MPC
@@theshermantanker7043 Cobol isn't going anywhere either. Like it or not (probably not), but it's ingrained enough that it's going to take a loong time to replace it, especially according to the "why change what works?" principle.
I think VBA is really cool, because its really easy to learn and to understand. Learning programming in Excel is one of the best paths to learn programming i think.
VBA is used in Access, too. And that's a good place to start if you're just learning how to build databases. I don't really see anything wrong with VBA.
I love VBA with Excel. There's so much office work you can automate with it and like another commenter said is a good way to learn the ropes of programming.
VBA is obviously not well suited for programming applications (which anyhow have to run inside of MS Office…) or anything with longer codelines since it gets messy quickly but I have not seen any programming language that makes it so easy to put in your thoughts to solve a business problem into code… it’s not overly verbose, doesn’t have ugly error handlers, functions and / or modules are a great way to solve single issues etc.
I taught myself BASIC on a Commodore Vic 20. When I got my programming degree in 1987, the primary language was COBOL, because the main employer in the area was state government, and they all had IBM mainframes. COBOL was pretty universal. IBM had only released their first PC a couple of years before. I coded in COBOL until 2001, when I was offered a chance to transition to Windows Server applications programming in VB6. That was great, but when we transitioned to C#, it was even better. That's what I coded in until I retired in 2016. But I actually liked COBOL. It was great for batch programming and OLTP. It was quite procedural, but later, after I left COBOL, IBM created a version that had objective features. I never used it, but I suspect it might have been interesting.
I beg to differ, I think if we weighted how popular a language is with how much people hate it, Js would take the cake, what to expect from a language designed in only 10 days.
Learning Matlab in the university was pretty cool, all variables are a type of matrix and you can do matrix operations in a flash, learned a lot of image manipulation (same as you can do with opencv now days) as well as having lots of cool modules such as Simulink to build complex mechanical simulations with block diagrams, modifying inputs and checking outputs, and also biochem modules and biological simulations as well. But... The scripts were slow as hell. In conclusion, python wins hahaha
People hugely underestimate the power of VBA. So many huge corporations need people to program macros. I got a job out of college where I used VBA more than any other language and made some really good money
Yeah, you can write huge, horrible, completely unmaintainable applications using VBA. And if you encounter one of the many problems Microsoft created, there is always an equally horrible workaround to be found on StackOverflow. I know. I've done it.
@@ZombieLincoln666Yes but it can only do data manipulation with sheet data. It’s supposed to make work slightly more convenient for people who previously imported data into a python script. VBA can manipulate the excel workbook itself, talk to other office programs, make HTTP requests, talk to the windows API, etc.
VBA is _awesome._ It interacts with Excel and with the operating system _flawlessly._ It is also easy to read and understand. VBScript also interacts with the operating system and, you can declare the proper object to interact with any application that chooses to support that interaction. You can rag on VB and it's derivatives, but they work flawlessly with Windows and that means the vast majority of business computers.
COBOL is hated because its syntax requires keywords which are redundant, after the first keyword has already determined what the statement is -- a redesigned COBOL could replace these keywords with commas.
Yeah and that's the only thing it should be used for. When I started working at ABB (one of the biggest power electronics companies) I was absolutely shocked to see the majority of the control software for the trains programmed in MATLAB/Simulink💀💀
COBOL was invented pre-security, but knowing how to secure mainframes running COBOL in 2023 and going forward is a high paying gig. I am learning COBOL and how to secure it now. Almost every bank and card processor in the USA use IBM z16 and z17 mainframes
I have happy memories of vba. Im glad it was my first language. I programmed in it for 4 years. 3 professionally too. Shout out to the wiseowl RUclips channel.
@@marc_frank Mayo Technical School now called Big Sandy Community and Technical College. Paintsville, KY. Changed from School to College the 2nd year I was there. Got a diploma instead a degree. We had a System36 that emulated a AS400. Then the 2nd year they had an actual AS400.
You’ll be surprised how many Fortune 500 companies use vba for many of their in-house developments and automation. Great tool and not that hard to learn. It gives a lot of possibilities to the whole office suite.
@ it's popular by use, not because everyone likes it. Hell I have to use it for work and the language is utter garbage, don't get me started on angular...
@ ah fellow dev. May you be blessed with good debugging sessions and stress free progress reports during monday morning meetings. PS: I like ts much better but its still polish on turd of a language imo.
Matlab is great for engineering and almost exclusively used for such; I use it quite frequently to generate digital filter coefficients and (rarely) for high level synthesis, both for PLDs.
As physics major and working on both python and Matlab, I found that some of the numerical approximation algorithm can only run on Matlab due to speed. Python frequently crashes even tho they are the exact same code and same computer. I still think matlab is quite good at some tasks as someone said in the chat as well
You gotta remember the worst feature of MATLAB It uses 1-based indexing Edit: Welcome to 1-Based Indexing Land, where all of your favourite languages with 1-based indexing can be found
I used to work as a consultant for a firm who handled payments for employees as a service (all in one bookkeeper software etc) their mainframe is still 40% written in COBOL. In 2020 during the pandemic. They hired a couple of retired programmers to help fix a critical bug. They ended up paying about 700€ per day after taxes just because nobody else qualified to do it.
I’m very surprised that VB is in here, I learned basic on a C64, then basic on DOS then moved into visual basics for excel and also the standalone version. I did learn C, C++ and C + Turbo but it just felt that basic was easier to use. I made HTML editors, Fruit/slot machines/ other games too, also database for a cashing check shop. Picture editing programs, hand writing recognition and programs to link with LCD displays. Probably a lot more I don’t remember over the years but I personally found it easy to use.
Cobal may be hated, but as you said, it’s used to maintain legacy code, and it used to be huge so there are a lot of big companies willing to pay a lot of big numbers to people who can keep their old code running. It’s one of those “you won’t enjoy the work, but your paycheck will make you not think about that
(1). If you want a free MATLAB-like environment, try SCILAB. Keep in mind that MATLAB and SCILAB are not programming languages per se. They are numerical environments for solving problems and doing simulations for a variety of engineering applications. The programming of functions and scripts in these environments is similar to what Fortran 77 was like, without the heavy formatting for output. They also include a lot of matrix-based routines that facilitate solutions. (2). VBA is quite primitive, I mean it is just BASIC, a very elementary language, embedded in Excel’s objects. However, if you already use Excel for handling your data, as many business do, knowing how to program VBA gives you a clear advantage. I used to teach a college -level numerically-oriented course on VBA programming that was quite liked by civil engineering students.
Dude it is the backbone of banking infrastructure, it’s only useful on the mainframe because of its reliability and record handling. Over 900 billion lines of cobol code is used daily.
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Honestly, I use to shit on matlab a lot, but it has one feature that makes it so for me in Computer Engineering….. I will probably always use it. The MATLAB to C is invaluable. That fact that it can generate compilable source C and even VHDL with parallelization. It’s just too good if you want to write super efficient algorithms and don’t want to spend a week writing it in C when it would take a couple minutes in python or matlab.
You can get Octave which is very much matlab but is free and open source. It really is a great language for its intended purpose. It does complex numbers and matrix math natively. It has functions that can return multiple results.
CISC architectures from the 70s and 80s can actually be quite fun to write asm for, because those instruction sets were designed when microprocessors were slow and it was common for programmers to write asm, so they have useful instructions, flags, and addressing modes to make programming in asm by hand easier. Memory was expensive so it was important to get things done in as few bytes as possible. x86 is (sadly, imo) the only one of these architectures that's survived to continued relevance in PCs today. Nowadays memory is cheap, CPUs are fast, and most code is in high level languages with smart compilers, and the design of modern RISC instruction sets reflects this. Power efficiency and instructions per cycle, rather than byte count, is king. The instruction sets are optimized for the compilers rather than human programmers. So they're naturally indeed quite painful to have to program in asm yourself. Especially the early ones that had crap like branch delay slots.
Assembly was better than machine language. I got to do both, for the 6502 and the 8080. I took an APL course too…anyone remember APL? I dabbled in PASCAL, but never liked it.
Actually MATLAB is confusing than Python 2/3. MATLAB is absurd to spend $800 per year or $2200 permanent. They're out of their minds spending excessively amount of money.
Knowing COBOL is actually considered a massive plus by a lot of companies. While it may be hated, it is definitely worth understanding atleast the basics.
You're wrong about COBOL, First of all C is almost the same age as COBOL. 80% of all financial transactions in the world is governed and implemented by COBOL.
You have no idea what the limits of what VBA could do in office environments. You can create an integrated system with Access, Excel, Outlook. That alone is half of the reasons I'm still needed in the office.
I love this podcast as an 18 year old because it shows how deep the knowledge well goes, it is like I am listening to two wizards discuss ancient spellcasting techniques before the advent of wands
The good thing with COBOL is that, like, 95% of all security intensive systems like banking services and government servers use it, and they are DESPERATE for maintenance, so if they find a COBOL developer, he gets paid as much as the CEO because he becomes the only person actually capable of working on their main system without tanking the global economy 🤣
So I. I am still building new programs and systems with Cobol every moment. Most people only know about the mainframe Cobol but ignore there are newer standards since 2000 also object-oriented too. The latest version of standard was 2014. See Micro Focus for object-oriented Cobol.
I was on a forum that specializes in CAD code development. I solved the problem in c#. They asked if I could give it to them in VBA instead... I did not.
It’s hated because VBA projects have a reputation for being full of bugs and spaghetti code. Some random accountant will build a handy macro that they share with their coworker, and eventually the entire department ends up depending on it. Then this employee leaves the company, and somebody (probably from IT) has to go into the code and figure out how to maintain it. Since the creator wasn’t a trained programmer, they never use best practices or document anything and their code base is a giant nightmare.
Don't hate on VBA. Anybody with a copy of office can learn to code and increase their productivity by orders of magnitude. Other software also uses VBA for writing macros including SolidWorks (CAD software used in engineering) which makes some otherwise tedious or even impossible tasks easy.
Maybe we walked similar paths, I got into coding because I wanted to do awesome things with excel and VBA was about it. Then I thought damn I like all of this. Maybe you know how to do time series with tensorflow?
I use it as a pharmacy intern building excel calculators for drug dosing. I feel like I'm getting good at it, but at the same time it seems like there's a way easier way to do everything I do.
Curiously enough, given the age of COBOL and the scarcity of COBOL devs, it is actually in high demand due to the fact that a lot of banks and hospitals still have systems than run on COBOL
@@CodingWithLewis people HATE java. As much as they do, they hate even more and people always hope they wont need to use it or they try to switch to something else. Every java application ive used has run worse thsn electron 😆 I don't evrn wanna get into the oracle stuff...
Funny to see COBOL in this list. I just started learning and working with COBOL, though most of our work is done with CA2E (Synon), CA2E generates basic templates depending on the type of function you want to create and has user points where you can add your own code. It’s actually pretty simple once you get the hang of and it does at lot of the coding for you. I personally haven’t done any COBOL coding from scratch but I have had to read through and debug enough functions to understand why it’s on the list.
A friend was telling me that if you're really good with COBOL then you can essentially get a retainer from a bank or stock exchange that uses it and this will be a pretty damn good salary to do nothing. And then when something goes wrong, you'll get a phone call asking where you'd like the helicopter to pick you up and you'll be taken to the place where the problem is and expected to stay there until the problem is fixed. That might be a few hours or it might be a few days, but while you're there you'll be on something like a four figure hourly rate.
I like Matlab when I want to build my own applications from scratch that involve DE+ math. I actually didn't get python past security for over a year at my current job (manufacturing) and was stuck with VBA the entire time. If you're forced to spend enough time with it and are willing to write 99% of your own functions, there are workarounds for a lot of it's limitations, and existing within something visual makes distributing it to others who don't have technical knowledge very fast and easy. I have so much written in it now that I'll often end up calling python via the terminal, check memory for execution status manually, and continue in VBA once the output has been somehow hacked back into it. Hopefully I can migrate to an environment that has less security restrictions. Tip to anyone who ever learns/deals with excel and doesn't already code: do all of the math in VBA using arrays, never read/write using cells unless it's at the very beginning or very end of your code, and don't iterate while doing it. Anyway, thanks, Lewis. I'll use this as a list for the next few languages to learn.
One of my friends is a COBOL programmer and she loves it. She gets paid a fortune to port legacy code by companies who have been keeping it for way to long and have none left to maintain it.
Matlab and VBA are both very useful. If you’re an engineer and you want to write some code quickly to do a real job then they’re efficient and flexible. These people aren’t writing code to do sales profiling nonsense like how many times did someone click and order a frozen Pizza from Walmart.
I studied many languages but was able understand Objective-C first😅. Objective-C is where I got my first job as an iOS Developer. Then moved to using Swift along with Objective-C. Objective-C and Swift taught me a lot. Also learned JS along the way. Now I am professionally working in Java as a JavaCard Developer and also studying C and C++ for my personal project.
What language do you hate the most? 🤔
english
@@ahmadalghali90lol
@@ahmadalghali90 if English was a programming language, it wouldn't be straight forward
Ada
@ hmmm
Matlab is extremelly powerful if you use it for the tasks it was designed for. There is a reason why it is widely used by engineers and scientists.
I used to like it as a mechanical engineering student, but that's because we only know matlab... Once you know python for science, it's extremely powerful, fast enough, and most importantly FREE
There’s an open source alternative to matlab called octave, although not all functionalities of matlab is supported.
No engineers and scientists use matlab over python or even fortran. Engineering and science classes in undergrad is a different story
Python is not the solution to every problem lol. I use python more than Matlab and I know it has great resources, but there are some especific applications that python won't help e.g control system analysis and many others.
@@matloose Python isn't a solution it's an extremely versatile tool. And yes, I've used both Python and C for running analysis on PID systems when I was working on robotics. Matlab is slow, painful to use, requires a paid license, and you're pretty much locked in with what you've got.
Fuck me. I learned my first programming with matlab and vba. No fucking why I was traumatized
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My introduction was Turbo Pascal
You might be an engineering student... Lol once you know python you can throw those in trash
@ACDavid you're telling me you started learning at 7 nice
I started at late 12 I'm 13 rn
Him trying to hype the last reveal
Subtitles: let me ruin it for u
@Glitter thanks 😂😂 a reply after 5 months Damm 😂😂
A take one more. I was thinking same btw.
I saw the subtitle, and immediately went to find out if anyone commented 😂
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Can I hop in this now???
I like how he made a dramatic pause before COBOL, but subtitles literally showed the whole sentence
he really damn needed a spoiler for that, mood killer fr fr
Why not brainfuck?
Plus a drumroll. 😂
Good programmer but not a good video editor it seems 😅
@@jemgodspeed truee xD
Regarding COBOL
It's still used in some systems especially in banking.
There are so few people that know it that you get paid quite a lot if you understand COBOL and can deploy on mainframes.
Yes, it's the same with LISP! I'm 26 years old and I learned LISP and COBOL at university. Everyone told me "don't do it" for a lot of stupid reasons with no arguments. Today, most of the people I work with are close to retirement, so in a few years I'll probably be the only one in my company who can understand how our business logic works. I'll (almost) literally be the only person who can work on the oldest and most specific projects still in use today. The company I'm currently working for has understood this, and they pay me a lot more than my manager, because if I leave, there'll be nobody left to write COBOL programs. They try to recruit young people, but nobody wants to do COBOL :/
@@我的暱稱any advice for me? I understand cobol and know how to compile with JCL and use on the mainframe even within a CICS region deployed via jcl as well.
@@BlueDippy Personally, if I had to hire a junior COBOL developer, I'd expect from him /her Cloud skills and a decent level of Java. I'd also expect an understanding of z/OS and the IBM ecosystem (DB2, TSO and IMS), and of course SQL! Otherwise, knowledge of eclipse-based development environments for the mainframe (IBM IDz, Topaz ) and UNIX knowledge would be a plus.
So I don't have any special advice for you. Trust yourself and apply for jobs. It won't cost you anything to apply.
@@我的暱稱 I use TSO/ISPF with x3270 I hate zowe…. I understand DB2 and SQL still learning about IMS. Java though? Is that like a necessity?
@@BlueDippy Many companies use Java alongside mainframe services. It's not a necessity, but knowing how to use Java is a serious advantage. It all depends on the company and its needs.
For example, in my company, we have Cloud services that require Java developers with basic knowledge of COBOL and mainframe. Some of our developers only do COBOL and are mainly assigned to the maintenance of historical services. They develop almost nothing in COBOL because we try to reduce the addition of COBOL code to our services. Personally, my position requires the use of COBOL, Java, C, ASM and LISP.
That's why Java is important. It's not a necessity, but it gives you a big advantage when you apply!
Whoever picks up that COBOL developer job won't be sad after they see their paycheck.
That's because COBOL developers are an endangered species. Hard to find one.
COBOL now has many modern features that are rarely used. The syntax is ugly and wordy.
It’s a myth.. banks don’t pay devs well
Yep. My uncle is living the dream.
Feed AI with a bunch of COBOL snippets, it will learn to replicate them for new applications and types of hardware in a heartbeat. Maybe it has already even been done. Helps because most COBOL code out there by default does the most basic tasks.
I know for a fact that a lot of banks still use COBOL.
Isnt that a scary thought?!
It may not be modern but it is robust
@@CodingWithLewis it's not, I am glad they can handle billions operation without a bug for the last 40 years.
@ without a bug? Funny
@@CodingWithLewis it also explains some of the stories I've heard regarding Bank systems.
MATLAB has by far the best documentation of any language I’ve used
But matlab is ded cause of python
man i love an array index thats start from 1
@@rentokawaii1216 Usually that's what these science targeted programming languages do. Arrays indexed from 1 also has R and Octave.
@@rentokawaii1216 Matlab stands for Matrix Laboratuary. Matrices in mathematics start with index 1 so it only makes sense for matlab to use index 1 aswell.
In my opinion it’s too good, it’s almost impossible to figure out what anything means in that encyclopedia
I remember the Y2K problem - some COBOL programmers were able to cash in on their 'obsolete' skills big time.
I'm 33 years old and got fed up with web development in React.js, Express.js and Django, so I learned cobol. Best decision I ever made. I'm actually getting to develop lots of new things, and I get to work on systems that performs a lot of mission critical functions.
With Oracle and other RDMS, newer COBOL isn't that bad. Previously, the job stream had steps to sort and prepare the data. Much of the applications were organizing the data so the next step could use it. Now, SQL does the heavy lifting.
Maybe I should learn COBOL
I'm learning COBOL right now in a boot camp for veterans and my background is in engineering and construction project management.
You've got it figured out. I made a career of going where everybody else wasn't. The pay is great, job security is pretty sweet, and if the company isn't treating you right you're not instantly replicable so you've got plenty of leverage. And you don't have to work with any of that web crap.
VBA was my first, it was fun since it was the first programming language that introduced me to the world of programming 🥰
Matlab has a great community, and great tutorials on the official web page, the only down side is that is not free and is very expensive. But for quick prototyping and engineering is amazing, for filter design and control design is one of the best tools. I think that some times people skip the learning curve that involves grabbing a new language and start a bad relationship with the language. I love matlab but I understand why some people hate it.
Just learn R. It has everything matlab, and more. Plus it’s completely free.
@@hamm8934 It has none of the toolkits, a huge benefit of matlab.
Python better than all
@@chop098 After a quick search, R has most, if not all of Matlab's tool kids in the form of libraries. One of the many perks of being open source.
@@hamm8934 Have you ever done anything that used physical hardware? Matlab has so many features objectively not present in any other language or ecosystem, things like control libraries and MPC
Php devs escaped this time
Edit im a php dev
PHP isn't going anywhere, like it or not. I don't use it myself but it's not a bad language honestly, from the time I had with it
@@theshermantanker7043 lol I was just messing around
I use php
It's not php devs' fault that php is a garbage fire. If you manage to be productive despite all the trash php throws at you, the more power to you!
@@theshermantanker7043 Cobol isn't going anywhere either. Like it or not (probably not), but it's ingrained enough that it's going to take a loong time to replace it, especially according to the "why change what works?" principle.
@@asdfghyter lol laravel is a very lovely framework
Very very lovely
I think VBA is really cool, because its really easy to learn and to understand. Learning programming in Excel is one of the best paths to learn programming i think.
Oh great!
VBA is used in Access, too. And that's a good place to start if you're just learning how to build databases. I don't really see anything wrong with VBA.
I love VBA with Excel. There's so much office work you can automate with it and like another commenter said is a good way to learn the ropes of programming.
@@jammiebooker6489you can also use C++ and the best part is that you can use early binding and call VBA from c++
VBA is obviously not well suited for programming applications (which anyhow have to run inside of MS Office…) or anything with longer codelines since it gets messy quickly but I have not seen any programming language that makes it so easy to put in your thoughts to solve a business problem into code… it’s not overly verbose, doesn’t have ugly error handlers, functions and / or modules are a great way to solve single issues etc.
I taught myself BASIC on a Commodore Vic 20. When I got my programming degree in 1987, the primary language was COBOL, because the main employer in the area was state government, and they all had IBM mainframes. COBOL was pretty universal. IBM had only released their first PC a couple of years before. I coded in COBOL until 2001, when I was offered a chance to transition to Windows Server applications programming in VB6. That was great, but when we transitioned to C#, it was even better. That's what I coded in until I retired in 2016.
But I actually liked COBOL. It was great for batch programming and OLTP. It was quite procedural, but later, after I left COBOL, IBM created a version that had objective features. I never used it, but I suspect it might have been interesting.
I actually managed to break into the grading system in high school using simple BASIC. I didn't change anything, though. I was too scared.
I beg to differ, I think if we weighted how popular a language is with how much people hate it, Js would take the cake, what to expect from a language designed in only 10 days.
Learning Matlab in the university was pretty cool, all variables are a type of matrix and you can do matrix operations in a flash, learned a lot of image manipulation (same as you can do with opencv now days) as well as having lots of cool modules such as Simulink to build complex mechanical simulations with block diagrams, modifying inputs and checking outputs, and also biochem modules and biological simulations as well. But... The scripts were slow as hell. In conclusion, python wins hahaha
I'm gonna pretend I understand what you said
@@quankhanh8533you and meh, both
People hugely underestimate the power of VBA. So many huge corporations need people to program macros. I got a job out of college where I used VBA more than any other language and made some really good money
Yeah, you can write huge, horrible, completely unmaintainable applications using VBA. And if you encounter one of the many problems Microsoft created, there is always an equally horrible workaround to be found on StackOverflow. I know. I've done it.
Didn’t Excel just add Python support though?
@@ZombieLincoln666Yes but it can only do data manipulation with sheet data. It’s supposed to make work slightly more convenient for people who previously imported data into a python script. VBA can manipulate the excel workbook itself, talk to other office programs, make HTTP requests, talk to the windows API, etc.
VBA is _awesome._ It interacts with Excel and with the operating system _flawlessly._ It is also easy to read and understand. VBScript also interacts with the operating system and, you can declare the proper object to interact with any application that chooses to support that interaction. You can rag on VB and it's derivatives, but they work flawlessly with Windows and that means the vast majority of business computers.
Yup, VBA was my first programming language and I’ll defend it to the death
COBOL is hated because its syntax requires keywords which are redundant, after the first keyword has already determined what the statement is -- a redesigned COBOL could replace these keywords with commas.
How the hell do you put Matlab up there, Matlab is used for adding some extra logic into math compared for these general purpose languages
I’d rather use an abacus for math than Matlab for anything lol
Yeah and that's the only thing it should be used for. When I started working at ABB (one of the biggest power electronics companies) I was absolutely shocked to see the majority of the control software for the trains programmed in MATLAB/Simulink💀💀
Cos mat lab is aids to use.
I wrote my thesis on electrochemistry theory on Matlab, I used it because my university gave me the licence tho.
And cobol is literary business pacific language it’s not turning complete
Ironically VBA is what got me interested in programming cause I could make cool interactive stuff with it easily
I have years of COBOL experience and although I’ve seen jobs that pay well I have not had a depression deep enough to go back to it … yet
COBOL was invented pre-security, but knowing how to secure mainframes running COBOL in 2023 and going forward is a high paying gig. I am learning COBOL and how to secure it now. Almost every bank and card processor in the USA use IBM z16 and z17 mainframes
I have happy memories of vba. Im glad it was my first language. I programmed in it for 4 years. 3 professionally too. Shout out to the wiseowl RUclips channel.
Assembly: hold my code
Lol and here's me with COBOL being the first language I ever dedicated myself to learning 😂
You are probably at a 900 IQ
Started with COBOL 74, then RPG 2, then BASIC. Worked as a programmer for little over a year. Then moved on. Could be behind a desk all day.
@@gregkilgore4035 could or could't?
where did you go if the latter?
@@marc_frank Mayo Technical School now called Big Sandy Community and Technical College. Paintsville, KY. Changed from School to College the 2nd year I was there. Got a diploma instead a degree.
We had a System36 that emulated a AS400. Then the 2nd year they had an actual AS400.
@@marc_frank misunderstood the question at first. 😆.
Couldn't be behind a desk all day.
Back to construction work. Laborer and equipment operator.
You’ll be surprised how many Fortune 500 companies use vba for many of their in-house developments and automation. Great tool and not that hard to learn. It gives a lot of possibilities to the whole office suite.
I wrote VBA for 12 hours straight for a group project. Safe to say I was not the same man after that.
expected to see javascript here...
excuse me, I’m hoping you mean javascript not typescript
Not enough people hate it :)
Where you see chaos I see freedom
@ it's popular by use, not because everyone likes it. Hell I have to use it for work and the language is utter garbage, don't get me started on angular...
@ ah fellow dev. May you be blessed with good debugging sessions and stress free progress reports during monday morning meetings.
PS: I like ts much better but its still polish on turd of a language imo.
Matlab is great for engineering and almost exclusively used for such; I use it quite frequently to generate digital filter coefficients and (rarely) for high level synthesis, both for PLDs.
It’s used in all of science. Like the university I went to was using it in Radiology at their hospital for certain things
I like Matlab, it's simulink feature is great for chemical engineers. Combining Matlab with python you can do some crazy mathematical stuff incl ML
VBA and MATLAB are perfectly fine, I have no idea why people have issues using them
As physics major and working on both python and Matlab, I found that some of the numerical approximation algorithm can only run on Matlab due to speed. Python frequently crashes even tho they are the exact same code and same computer.
I still think matlab is quite good at some tasks as someone said in the chat as well
You gotta remember the worst feature of MATLAB
It uses 1-based indexing
Edit: Welcome to 1-Based Indexing Land, where all of your favourite languages with 1-based indexing can be found
Introducing, Lua
So does Pascal.
Because it's for people who use matrices, not programmers.
I think R does as well
Introducing, Scratch
Me: playing the video for the 5th time and wondering when Haskell will show up
Man really taking shots at Jenkins with that groovy call out
I used to work as a consultant for a firm who handled payments for employees as a service (all in one bookkeeper software etc) their mainframe is still 40% written in COBOL. In 2020 during the pandemic. They hired a couple of retired programmers to help fix a critical bug. They ended up paying about 700€ per day after taxes just because nobody else qualified to do it.
My first programming language was VB6, so VBA was a piece of cake. Actually really enjoyed it, especially with MS Access
I’m very surprised that VB is in here, I learned basic on a C64, then basic on DOS then moved into visual basics for excel and also the standalone version. I did learn C, C++ and C + Turbo but it just felt that basic was easier to use. I made HTML editors, Fruit/slot machines/ other games too, also database for a cashing check shop. Picture editing programs, hand writing recognition and programs to link with LCD displays. Probably a lot more I don’t remember over the years but I personally found it easy to use.
He’s talking about VBA, not VB. They’re related but still very different.
Cobal may be hated, but as you said, it’s used to maintain legacy code, and it used to be huge so there are a lot of big companies willing to pay a lot of big numbers to people who can keep their old code running. It’s one of those “you won’t enjoy the work, but your paycheck will make you not think about that
I love matlab (gnu octave is free version) but matlab is made for working with matrices….so math engineering and science not a general language.
People hate objective c but still force using it still force using it since a lot of applications use obj-c
(1). If you want a free MATLAB-like environment, try SCILAB. Keep in mind that MATLAB and SCILAB are not programming languages per se. They are numerical environments for solving problems and doing simulations for a variety of engineering applications. The programming of functions and scripts in these environments is similar to what Fortran 77 was like, without the heavy formatting for output. They also include a lot of matrix-based routines that facilitate solutions. (2). VBA is quite primitive, I mean it is just BASIC, a very elementary language, embedded in Excel’s objects. However, if you already use Excel for handling your data, as many business do, knowing how to program VBA gives you a clear advantage. I used to teach a college -level numerically-oriented course on VBA programming that was quite liked by civil engineering students.
OCTAVE too
I really don't understand, why do you call Matlab programming language ?
because he doesn't know what he's talking about
Because it is one? What does this question mean
@@orinbrim it's a scripting language, more of a toolset like R studio than something like python or C++
@@percyvile you can program something with a scripting language, can't you? therefor all scripting languages are programming languages as well
@@alimertc Wrong. By that logic bash scripts are programs.
For COBOL, yes you can! It’s used in some banks and stuff.
Dude it is the backbone of banking infrastructure, it’s only useful on the mainframe because of its reliability and record handling.
Over 900 billion lines of cobol code is used daily.
my stepdad dropped a PHP book on my head at 15, and oh boy learning that shit was harder than the hit itself
Your step dad really try to father you or simply evil by unknowing instinctively or knowing
Who knows yet 😅😂
Wish you all well 😃🌟✨🙌
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Honestly, I use to shit on matlab a lot, but it has one feature that makes it so for me in Computer Engineering….. I will probably always use it. The MATLAB to C is invaluable. That fact that it can generate compilable source C and even VHDL with parallelization. It’s just too good if you want to write super efficient algorithms and don’t want to spend a week writing it in C when it would take a couple minutes in python or matlab.
Pls dont say that some languages are bad! Every language has its own fanbase and use!
Matlab was with me for the 5 past year during my college,and i still don't understand it
I like MATLAB. Very useful videos to help me in my Signal Processing classes
stay away from MATLAB. It makes you lazy and does not have a proper structure for making a code. It is only good for doing the homework.
Jeez I thought I was the only one hating Matlab (I'm studying engineering but also working as developer)
You can get Octave which is very much matlab but is free and open source. It really is a great language for its intended purpose. It does complex numbers and matrix math natively. It has functions that can return multiple results.
I feel like I’d rather just use Python with numpy, matplotlib, and jupyterlab
Pov: you were waiting for css
Assembly? Anyone? Like seriously... Learning it is the embodiment of pain itself
CISC architectures from the 70s and 80s can actually be quite fun to write asm for, because those instruction sets were designed when microprocessors were slow and it was common for programmers to write asm, so they have useful instructions, flags, and addressing modes to make programming in asm by hand easier. Memory was expensive so it was important to get things done in as few bytes as possible.
x86 is (sadly, imo) the only one of these architectures that's survived to continued relevance in PCs today.
Nowadays memory is cheap, CPUs are fast, and most code is in high level languages with smart compilers, and the design of modern RISC instruction sets reflects this. Power efficiency and instructions per cycle, rather than byte count, is king. The instruction sets are optimized for the compilers rather than human programmers. So they're naturally indeed quite painful to have to program in asm yourself. Especially the early ones that had crap like branch delay slots.
Assembly was better than machine language. I got to do both, for the 6502 and the 8080. I took an APL course too…anyone remember APL? I dabbled in PASCAL, but never liked it.
Men of Matlab, Resist. Fight !!!! 💂🗡️ 💂🗡️ 💂🗡️
Is it a hard course ? I have it next year
@@everythinggush easier than Python
Actually MATLAB is confusing than Python 2/3. MATLAB is absurd to spend $800 per year or $2200 permanent. They're out of their minds spending excessively amount of money.
@@Mnerd7368 I understand that it is costly but you get a licence from your uni or organisation.
Him: There’s not much you can do with Cobol
The Banks: 😬😬😬
He forgot about ABAP mentioning COBOL ^^
Knowing COBOL is actually considered a massive plus by a lot of companies. While it may be hated, it is definitely worth understanding atleast the basics.
COBOL is actually pretty used in banking systems and numerical sims! (Along w fortran)
You're wrong about COBOL,
First of all C is almost the same age as COBOL.
80% of all financial transactions in the world is governed and implemented by COBOL.
Nope. COBOL was already two decades old when C came to be. A little quiz for the uninitiated: what do you think this means?
MOVE a OF b TO c OF d;
I used Groovy for like a year and it was pretty easy really
It’s legit the easiest language lmao
Agreed, this bloke has no clue about it
It's very good with spock for testing Java/Kotlin code. I would not choose it instead of Java/Kotlin to write application though
Why is Matlab lacking basic programming functions. Some concepts like abstract classes are easier in Matlab than in Python.
You have no idea what the limits of what VBA could do in office environments. You can create an integrated system with Access, Excel, Outlook. That alone is half of the reasons I'm still needed in the office.
My toxic trait is starting with the most stress inducing programs thinking it means I’m smarter than the rest if I ever get a handle of it
masochism
Grouping groovy with These absolute ass languages when theres ABAP out there is just nitpicking in the same way JavaScript and php get flack
I love visual basic im gona cry i program all sorts of stuff with it
isnt it used to make windows applications? am studying a course on it currently
for me, my most hated programming language is JavaScript
test
I love this podcast as an 18 year old because it shows how deep the knowledge well goes, it is like I am listening to two wizards discuss ancient spellcasting techniques before the advent of wands
The good thing with COBOL is that, like, 95% of all security intensive systems like banking services and government servers use it, and they are DESPERATE for maintenance, so if they find a COBOL developer, he gets paid as much as the CEO because he becomes the only person actually capable of working on their main system without tanking the global economy 🤣
I was like "where's Cobol?"
Then it happened.
I use Cobol at my job. We still write new programs in it.
I wish I learned cobol but I did c++ and then vba
What the heck lol
So I. I am still building new programs and systems with Cobol every moment. Most people only know about the mainframe Cobol but ignore there are newer standards since 2000 also object-oriented too. The latest version of standard was 2014. See Micro Focus for object-oriented Cobol.
Why??????
Man imagine hating something purely because it is old
If objective c is hated, why would it make some devs sad that apple stopped using it?
PL/SQL gets a bad rap, but it's not too bad when compared to these other five.
Bro, I think you forgot to mention PHP 😂
Yeah, I use PHP, and I was expecting to see it on the list. It was number 2 on a list I saw somewhere for lowest pay.
PHP is a fairly easy language so I wouldn’t hate on it. You can hate the jobs that require it though.
"There is no bad PHP, only bad PHP programmers."
I was on a forum that specializes in CAD code development. I solved the problem in c#.
They asked if I could give it to them in VBA instead... I did not.
Me who still uses scratch:
"vba is not made for outside use"
Me who literally coded an os in ppt:
How did you do this?? Did you use vba OOP, interfaces?
@@7Denial7 just vba and ppt
@@Powerz559_CyberCoder why did you make OS in vba? What do u use it for? I love VBA by the way
@@7Denial7 for fun? Ever heard of pptoses?
@@Powerz559_CyberCoder u mean power point??
1) javascript
People only use it because they are forced to use it and there is no other option.
COBOL: Its 60+ years old & all you can do with it is maintain legacy code... FOR A SHIT TON OF MONEY BECAUSE THE SKILL IS VERY SCARCE!
What about brainf*ck
Not used enough :)
anybody using brainf*ck are only doing it for the challenge
@@binguloid have you seen the ai that can code in bf
Try Malbolge
Assembly has got to be on this list
Why?
which assembly?
VBA is so straight forward... never understood why its so hated.
It’s hated because VBA projects have a reputation for being full of bugs and spaghetti code. Some random accountant will build a handy macro that they share with their coworker, and eventually the entire department ends up depending on it. Then this employee leaves the company, and somebody (probably from IT) has to go into the code and figure out how to maintain it. Since the creator wasn’t a trained programmer, they never use best practices or document anything and their code base is a giant nightmare.
Don't hate on VBA. Anybody with a copy of office can learn to code and increase their productivity by orders of magnitude. Other software also uses VBA for writing macros including SolidWorks (CAD software used in engineering) which makes some otherwise tedious or even impossible tasks easy.
Visual Basic was my first programming language 😂
and your thoughts? 🤔
Same. Made a simple calculator app with it in elementary.
@@CodingWithLewis I only wrote 2 little programs.
I guess it is a pretty simple language, but else I don't know what I should think about it
Maybe we walked similar paths, I got into coding because I wanted to do awesome things with excel and VBA was about it. Then I thought damn I like all of this. Maybe you know how to do time series with tensorflow?
I use it as a pharmacy intern building excel calculators for drug dosing. I feel like I'm getting good at it, but at the same time it seems like there's a way easier way to do everything I do.
MATLAB is one of the easiest. Sorry man, you haven't programmed in MATLAB at all. You want to multiply two matrices? Do A*B.
Sure man.
Exactly. Everyone saying Python is a better alternative are funny. In Python you have to import numpy and do like numpy.mult([A],[B]) or some shit
PHP: why im not in the list?
Don't blame COBOL of incompetent programmers' failures
It's very complete, well strutured and better than many of "modern" languages
Curiously enough, given the age of COBOL and the scarcity of COBOL devs, it is actually in high demand due to the fact that a lot of banks and hospitals still have systems than run on COBOL
wonder Java is not in the list.
U r mom
People love Java :)
@@CodingWithLewis, I love Java too. But there's a lot of hate comments on Java.
@@CodingWithLewis people HATE java. As much as they do, they hate even more and people always hope they wont need to use it or they try to switch to something else. Every java application ive used has run worse thsn electron 😆 I don't evrn wanna get into the oracle stuff...
Groovy is my favorite language! 🤷🤣
I love VBA!
Funny to see COBOL in this list.
I just started learning and working with COBOL, though most of our work is done with CA2E (Synon), CA2E generates basic templates depending on the type of function you want to create and has user points where you can add your own code.
It’s actually pretty simple once you get the hang of and it does at lot of the coding for you.
I personally haven’t done any COBOL coding from scratch but I have had to read through and debug enough functions to understand why it’s on the list.
A friend was telling me that if you're really good with COBOL then you can essentially get a retainer from a bank or stock exchange that uses it and this will be a pretty damn good salary to do nothing. And then when something goes wrong, you'll get a phone call asking where you'd like the helicopter to pick you up and you'll be taken to the place where the problem is and expected to stay there until the problem is fixed. That might be a few hours or it might be a few days, but while you're there you'll be on something like a four figure hourly rate.
Everyone likes saying this
I've heard that VBA devs are actually really sought after for their skills at writing excel macros, at least in my country.
I like Matlab when I want to build my own applications from scratch that involve DE+ math. I actually didn't get python past security for over a year at my current job (manufacturing) and was stuck with VBA the entire time. If you're forced to spend enough time with it and are willing to write 99% of your own functions, there are workarounds for a lot of it's limitations, and existing within something visual makes distributing it to others who don't have technical knowledge very fast and easy. I have so much written in it now that I'll often end up calling python via the terminal, check memory for execution status manually, and continue in VBA once the output has been somehow hacked back into it. Hopefully I can migrate to an environment that has less security restrictions. Tip to anyone who ever learns/deals with excel and doesn't already code: do all of the math in VBA using arrays, never read/write using cells unless it's at the very beginning or very end of your code, and don't iterate while doing it. Anyway, thanks, Lewis. I'll use this as a list for the next few languages to learn.
One of my friends is a COBOL programmer and she loves it. She gets paid a fortune to port legacy code by companies who have been keeping it for way to long and have none left to maintain it.
Matlab and VBA are both very useful. If you’re an engineer and you want to write some code quickly to do a real job then they’re efficient and flexible. These people aren’t writing code to do sales profiling nonsense like how many times did someone click and order a frozen Pizza from Walmart.
Cobol is also integraded in all Banking infrastructure on our country. So if youre a cobol programmer, your set in the financial sector
I studied many languages but was able understand Objective-C first😅. Objective-C is where I got my first job as an iOS Developer. Then moved to using Swift along with Objective-C. Objective-C and Swift taught me a lot. Also learned JS along the way. Now I am professionally working in Java as a JavaCard Developer and also studying C and C++ for my personal project.