Been following Michkovs rookie camp and went to his first game as a Flyer. The #1 take away from everyone in the org and myself just seeing him. He's the most competitive athlete I've ever witnessed. It was an exhibition game and he played like it was game 7 in the cup finals. There's a video you can find of a shift of him fighting off two massive dmen and then throwing the puck over the net from behind. He truly made something out of nothing on every single shift. He's going to be amazing to watch.
He was always a competitive athlete. There's this narrative that he's lazy because he's out the D zone on 50/50 pucks and glide back on the back check. But in the offensive zone, he's very competitive. I think he's special
Michkov has a rare talent that is very hard to quantify or analyse: he puts it in the net more often, and he manages to do this with less physical effort. "It looks easy.." His talent is off the charts and this is why he has the edge over Demidov. That said, Demidov's style of play may be, with luck, more compatible with the NHL style of play where the goalies and defense are so good, that individual effort will not work as much as passing and creating space for team mates. Demidov has a slight edge on Michkov on that front, added to the fact that Demidov is a bigger guy than Michkov, is more mobile and can play center, which are probable advantages. Time will tell.
Yeah, I think they're both very different in the way they create offense and Demidov style might be slightly more conducive to NHL success but it's not like Michkov is a perimeter player or individualistic, he's just more often than not in a better position to score than everyone around him. It's one of the reason why I have his hockey sense so high. He's always at the right place at the right time making the right play. It looks effortless. To put it simply, I think they both have a different skill set but they are both elite at what they do. The biggest differentiator for me was Michkov's 4 straight years of generational production and consistency across multiple levels and tournaments. So while I prefer Demidov's style as a player, there's something with Michkov that keeps happening year after year no matter what level he's playing at and no matter what quality of teammates he has that just can't be attributed to anything else than he's just a special player with a special knack to put the puck in the net. Both are fantastic player and I'm just happy the Habs got one of them.
I don’t mind the video but let’s not reduce either of these kids success based off the other. I wanted Michkov and didn’t get him but excited to see him play. I got Demidov and I’m stoked regardless of comparisons.
I tried to be careful and give both players the recognition they deserve for their individual achievements, counterbalancing every critique with a positive. That's why I made sure to emphasize that Demidov's stats are still impressive, even though Michkov clearly wins the stats battle. I also pointed out that defensive prowess, while notable, isn't a priority for me when evaluating a high-end offensive player, especially after discussing Michkov's less-than-perfect defense. Are you saying that I failed in my attempt to sound as balanced as I possibly could ? 😆 I hesitated all summer to make this video. I reviewed it multiple times before posting, and I thought it was balanced and fair while staying true to myself, so I decided to go with it. Ultimately, my conclusion is just my opinion.
I get your point but it's two Russian phenoms back to back years. Habs picking at 5 both years. Both available at 5. Pass on one, and take the second. The stars are kind of alingned for people to compare them. Big question being why did Habs pass on Michkov, but are way high on Demidov? And also, did they take the right one? I know, many say we should have took both...
Michkov has the potential to be posterboy star for the NHL. Demidov is guaranteed to be a top line RW for pretty much any team but probably not so much to the point of competing for individual awards.
That's how I see it too. That's why I said Demidov stylistically and in terms of ceiling is closer to a Kaprizov while Michkov stylistically and in terms of ceiling is closer to a Kucherov. Kaprizov is a star player on any team in the NHL but he isn't on Kucherov's level. Might not happen this way but that's how I see it.
Смешно видеть как фанаты Монреаля и Филадельфии спорят кто из них лучше, по мне они оба хороши, вопрос только как ваши организации смогут развить их потенциал? Я думаю Мичков будет более медийным, а Демидов трудяга... Желаю этим парням отличной карьеры в NHL, и внести огромный вклад в успех ваших команд.
For me its not even a debate if i have to pick between them 2, its Demidov all the way. For me its the all around play, the compete level, the skills, the personality, everything about Demidov is sure shot. Demidov doesnt cheat, a guy i would definitely want to win the Stanley cup with. Good breakdown overall, but one thing, im sorry but Demidov skating is way above 6.5. You have to look at his skating agility, not only straight line speed. Demidov can turn on a dime like no others, with his style. His skating ability is what really helps him going around the opponents with ease.
Hey ! I get it. I have them in the same tier but right now, for me, it's Michkov. You're not the first one to tell me that Demidov's skating is way above my grading. People have been telling me that since I made my first top 10 video before last season started. I watched and watched and watched over again. I have seen every single game he's played last season and I feel like 6.5 is exactly the right place to be given his agility and ability to gain speed over long distances even though he's almost bent 90° at the hips by the time he gets to the opposing blue line 😆. The people I talked to are even more concerned by his skating than I am. In the end, I'm pretty comfortable with my grading but I won't be disappointed if he ends up being a high end skater for the Habs !
@@bluechipprospect Demidov himself said he wanted to work on his explosiveness. He will get better at that. Give him some times. But his speed isn't too bad I think. I saw a few times where he can explode and go on breakaways. You'll give him a 7.5 rate soon ;)
@@bluechipprospect Ivan Demidov today: • 1 primary assist • 1 point • 3 SOG • 1 hit • 1 takeaway • 14:02 TOI (14th on team) >>>>• Highest average skating speed among all players
idk as a habs fan demidov is insane but right now i think michkov is better overall hes the next ovi and demidov the next malkin but i hope both of them has a great carrer 🙌
I love both players But when watching Demidov in SKA this season he is a little to unselfish at times and tries to do get off one more pass when someone like Bedard or Michkov would have gone for goal. Also Mikchov had a decent output while at loan on a horrible team like Sochi Hope both will excel in the NHL
Good vid, but I'm not sure how the idea is persisting that Michkov's shot is elite, and I'm a Flyers fan. It's not close to elite. He rarely ever scores goals from further out that were made possible because of shot velocity or quick release. Michkov's shot is slow, and he struggles a lot in shootout attempts. I would say Demidov's shooting is better and it's not that close. Though, I will say that Michkov's shot seems to have actually deteriorated in quality. How that's possible I've no idea, maybe he changed to using a weird stick for some reason. At this point, yes I would take Demidov before Michkov fairly quickly
I respect your opinion but I couldn't disagree more about his shot. I won't say that the shot in itself is elite, it never was but it's definitely high end and very sneaky/deceptive. One thing that might be important here is that the Shot grade I give to players is a "scoring ability" grade. Just had to shorten the name of it for it to fit on player cards I make. But that includes the shot itself but also abilities around the net to deflect puck or bounce on rebounds and score. It includes the ability to find pockets of space closer to the net and anticipate areas to shoot uncontested. It includes the velocity, the power, the release, the change of angle, the capacity of a player to hide his shooting intentions but also hide his target and release point.... I take all that I can see and try to put a number on it. The number is really just there so people who watch my videos can compare players strength and have a better idea of where those players are situated across some of the skills I look for. In the end both players are really really close with different strengths.
I don't think picking 3 wingers back to back to back with a 1st overall and 2 5th overall is a sound strategy. A unicorn player like Slaf, a top prospect RD and an offensive winger like either of them is a much better strategy for team building.
That's out of my depth. I don't have many memories of him. Daigle was drafted in the 90s and wasn't particularly good in the NHL. In the 90s I was just a kid who was too busy trying to become the next ken Griffey Jr at day and the next Roy Jones Jr at night sprinkled with some Pavel Bure in between. No time for the Daigle of this world 😆
@@bluechipprospect hahaha the essence of what I'm saying refering to Daigle is that theses massive stats of Michkov in theses league won't translate as efficiently to the NHL based on what I'm seeing from his play style. The backstory of Daigle is that he had Gretzky level stats in his years before his draft. He's the only player that was awarded a multi-millions dollar contract without playing a single game in the NHL, because the expectations based on his stats were so high.
If you had a draft with both of them in Ivan woud get drafted first .Demidov better 2 way player , bigger , better rounded game , better character and can play center , michkov only has better shot and makes more mistakes without the puck
Honestly, I have no clue who would go first. I think that's highly dependent on which team is picking... For me, 4 years of generational production and consistency across different levels and tournament weighs more on the scale than 2 inches and a more well rounded game. Especially now that the contract drama is gone. So I'd pick Michkov first but I can't speak for NHL teams. I have them both in the same tier of prospect but the biggest differentiator was Michkov's production being in a completely different universe.
Slightly is not how I would put it but when I grade the "shot" I grade the ability to score. The shot itself is only half the battle. Zadina had a great shot but had no idea how to find space. Kotkaniemi has a powerful shot but can't release it fast enough to not get a stick on the puck. Michkov's ability to score goals is almost generational but the shot itself is probably just .5 to 1 point above Demidov's.
Michkov has a better IQ and ability to process the game faster. He's undeniably the better prospect at the moment, albeit not by much. Demidov has better size, skating, 1v1 ability. We can't forget Michkov was very close to Bedard before the Ukraine invasion started.
Je respecte l'analyse... mais la conclusion est un peu incohérente avec la vidéo? Je ne dis pas que d'avoir Michkov comme meilleur est un mauvais take, mais de détailler chaque composante du jeu où Demidov a soit un edge ou est très proche, pour conclure que Michkov est meilleur à cause de sa production est un peu simpliste je trouve
Pas impossible que je me sois mal exprimé dans la vidéo, mais je ne vais pas cacher que quatre ans de production générationnelle dans trois ligues différentes et un tournoi international pèsent plus lourd que deux pouces de différence et leur combativité défensive pour moi. Même si je préfère le style de Demidov, c'est juste une préférence. Michkov a jusqu'à présent prouvé concrètement qu'il est dans une autre catégorie en termes de production. Comme on ne peut pas les comparer 1 pour 1, et que, selon moi, Michkov a un profil de "skills" équivalent à celui de Demidov, il était évident pour moi que Michkov était le gagnant de cette comparaison.
@@bluechipprospect Quand tu triche a ligne bleu adverse c'est plus facile faire des point par exemple. Fais le bien jouer defensivement, comme il devra le faire en NHL, pis je suis pas mal sure cest stats serais plus proch de Demidov.
Évidemment, ça a un impact. Mais, il faut mettre en contexte que la majorité de ses points ne proviennent pas de jeu où il est sorti très tôt de sa zone et a marqué sur la contre attaque. La plupart du temps, les deux ailiers quittent la zone très rapidement sur presque toutes les rondelles 50/50, ce qui me fait penser que c'est plus une stratégie d'équipe qu'autre chose. Au final, comme tous les joueurs offensifs de son âge et de son talent, il aura énormément de travail à faire pour s'adapter. Caufield, par exemple, a pris trois saisons pour avoir un impact ~ neutre sur le jeu défensif de l'équipe, et il est arrivé dans la ligue après deux saisons en NCAA. Il n'est donc pas impossible que Michkov suive un parcours similaire.
J'ai pris ça comme une analyse du talent, pas comme une prédiction du rendement. À ce talent, ça va se décider sur facteur des intangibleles travail, le jeu d'équipe, désir de vaincre, etc...
Michkov is in the NHL Demidov is in the KHL BIG difference.Demidov will score zero points in the NHL this year Michkov may get 40-60. However if you ask Habs fanbois the rose colored glasses ones Demidov is rookie of the year the enxt greatzky if yo uask the rest of the league Demidov is a good talent but not proven anything yet. What is even funnier is that pretty much everyone all the so called experts said that Michkov might not come over for at least 3 years soooooo pretty much everyone was WRONG.
Michkov hands down is the far superior player. No Bias. The hype on Demidov is insane. Demidov is no where close to be at Michkov’s level. If you want pure offense. Thats Michkov.
Been following Michkovs rookie camp and went to his first game as a Flyer. The #1 take away from everyone in the org and myself just seeing him. He's the most competitive athlete I've ever witnessed. It was an exhibition game and he played like it was game 7 in the cup finals. There's a video you can find of a shift of him fighting off two massive dmen and then throwing the puck over the net from behind. He truly made something out of nothing on every single shift. He's going to be amazing to watch.
He was always a competitive athlete. There's this narrative that he's lazy because he's out the D zone on 50/50 pucks and glide back on the back check. But in the offensive zone, he's very competitive.
I think he's special
Michkov has a rare talent that is very hard to quantify or analyse: he puts it in the net more often, and he manages to do this with less physical effort. "It looks easy.." His talent is off the charts and this is why he has the edge over Demidov. That said, Demidov's style of play may be, with luck, more compatible with the NHL style of play where the goalies and defense are so good, that individual effort will not work as much as passing and creating space for team mates. Demidov has a slight edge on Michkov on that front, added to the fact that Demidov is a bigger guy than Michkov, is more mobile and can play center, which are probable advantages. Time will tell.
Yeah, I think they're both very different in the way they create offense and Demidov style might be slightly more conducive to NHL success but it's not like Michkov is a perimeter player or individualistic, he's just more often than not in a better position to score than everyone around him. It's one of the reason why I have his hockey sense so high. He's always at the right place at the right time making the right play. It looks effortless.
To put it simply, I think they both have a different skill set but they are both elite at what they do. The biggest differentiator for me was Michkov's 4 straight years of generational production and consistency across multiple levels and tournaments. So while I prefer Demidov's style as a player, there's something with Michkov that keeps happening year after year no matter what level he's playing at and no matter what quality of teammates he has that just can't be attributed to anything else than he's just a special player with a special knack to put the puck in the net.
Both are fantastic player and I'm just happy the Habs got one of them.
I don’t mind the video but let’s not reduce either of these kids success based off the other. I wanted Michkov and didn’t get him but excited to see him play. I got Demidov and I’m stoked regardless of comparisons.
I tried to be careful and give both players the recognition they deserve for their individual achievements, counterbalancing every critique with a positive.
That's why I made sure to emphasize that Demidov's stats are still impressive, even though Michkov clearly wins the stats battle. I also pointed out that defensive prowess, while notable, isn't a priority for me when evaluating a high-end offensive player, especially after discussing Michkov's less-than-perfect defense.
Are you saying that I failed in my attempt to sound as balanced as I possibly could ? 😆
I hesitated all summer to make this video. I reviewed it multiple times before posting, and I thought it was balanced and fair while staying true to myself, so I decided to go with it. Ultimately, my conclusion is just my opinion.
I get your point but it's two Russian phenoms back to back years. Habs picking at 5 both years. Both available at 5. Pass on one, and take the second. The stars are kind of alingned for people to compare them. Big question being why did Habs pass on Michkov, but are way high on Demidov? And also, did they take the right one? I know, many say we should have took both...
Michkov has the potential to be posterboy star for the NHL. Demidov is guaranteed to be a top line RW for pretty much any team but probably not so much to the point of competing for individual awards.
That's how I see it too. That's why I said Demidov stylistically and in terms of ceiling is closer to a Kaprizov while Michkov stylistically and in terms of ceiling is closer to a Kucherov.
Kaprizov is a star player on any team in the NHL but he isn't on Kucherov's level. Might not happen this way but that's how I see it.
@@bluechipprospect Yep agree. Commented before watching the video)
Смешно видеть как фанаты Монреаля и Филадельфии спорят кто из них лучше, по мне они оба хороши, вопрос только как ваши организации смогут развить их потенциал? Я думаю Мичков будет более медийным, а Демидов трудяга... Желаю этим парням отличной карьеры в NHL, и внести огромный вклад в успех ваших команд.
Amazing video as usual, my friend !
Thank you !
Michkov is an absolute offensive powerhouse. Could be point per game player as early as next season.
For me its not even a debate if i have to pick between them 2, its Demidov all the way. For me its the all around play, the compete level, the skills, the personality, everything about Demidov is sure shot. Demidov doesnt cheat, a guy i would definitely want to win the Stanley cup with. Good breakdown overall, but one thing, im sorry but Demidov skating is way above 6.5. You have to look at his skating agility, not only straight line speed. Demidov can turn on a dime like no others, with his style. His skating ability is what really helps him going around the opponents with ease.
You got it man.
Hey ! I get it. I have them in the same tier but right now, for me, it's Michkov.
You're not the first one to tell me that Demidov's skating is way above my grading. People have been telling me that since I made my first top 10 video before last season started. I watched and watched and watched over again. I have seen every single game he's played last season and I feel like 6.5 is exactly the right place to be given his agility and ability to gain speed over long distances even though he's almost bent 90° at the hips by the time he gets to the opposing blue line 😆. The people I talked to are even more concerned by his skating than I am.
In the end, I'm pretty comfortable with my grading but I won't be disappointed if he ends up being a high end skater for the Habs !
@@bluechipprospect Demidov himself said he wanted to work on his explosiveness. He will get better at that. Give him some times. But his speed isn't too bad I think. I saw a few times where he can explode and go on breakaways. You'll give him a 7.5 rate soon ;)
@@bluechipprospect Ivan Demidov today:
• 1 primary assist
• 1 point
• 3 SOG
• 1 hit
• 1 takeaway
• 14:02 TOI (14th on team)
>>>>• Highest average skating speed among all players
@@bluechipprospect Ivan Demidov today:
- 2 goals
- 4 points
- 3 shots
>>>- 34.74 km/h max speed (fastest player on SKA)
As an unbiased fan, michkov has goal scoring instincts that are almost impossible to teach
I’ll reserve my judgment until we see how Michkov responds to being benched by Torts for being -40 after his first 5 games. 😜
😅😅
idk as a habs fan demidov is insane but right now i think michkov is better overall hes the next ovi and demidov the next malkin but i hope both of them has a great carrer 🙌
Yeah, I think they're both insane. I'm just happy as a Habs fan that we got one of the 2.
I love both players
But when watching Demidov in SKA this season
he is a little to unselfish at times and tries to do get off one more pass when someone like Bedard or Michkov would have gone for goal.
Also Mikchov had a decent output while at loan on a horrible team like Sochi
Hope both will excel in the NHL
fwiw Michkov listed at 190lbs at flyers training camp
He sure looks like it. He looks thick and wide.
Good vid, but I'm not sure how the idea is persisting that Michkov's shot is elite, and I'm a Flyers fan. It's not close to elite. He rarely ever scores goals from further out that were made possible because of shot velocity or quick release. Michkov's shot is slow, and he struggles a lot in shootout attempts. I would say Demidov's shooting is better and it's not that close. Though, I will say that Michkov's shot seems to have actually deteriorated in quality. How that's possible I've no idea, maybe he changed to using a weird stick for some reason. At this point, yes I would take Demidov before Michkov fairly quickly
I respect your opinion but I couldn't disagree more about his shot. I won't say that the shot in itself is elite, it never was but it's definitely high end and very sneaky/deceptive.
One thing that might be important here is that the Shot grade I give to players is a "scoring ability" grade. Just had to shorten the name of it for it to fit on player cards I make. But that includes the shot itself but also abilities around the net to deflect puck or bounce on rebounds and score. It includes the ability to find pockets of space closer to the net and anticipate areas to shoot uncontested. It includes the velocity, the power, the release, the change of angle, the capacity of a player to hide his shooting intentions but also hide his target and release point....
I take all that I can see and try to put a number on it. The number is really just there so people who watch my videos can compare players strength and have a better idea of where those players are situated across some of the skills I look for.
In the end both players are really really close with different strengths.
Demidov is a more complete player michkov will win more solo awards
Im just here to see habs fan mald that demidov wasn't ranked above Gretz in his prime
Montreal Canadians' organization could have had them both , what to you have to say to that...
I don't think picking 3 wingers back to back to back with a 1st overall and 2 5th overall is a sound strategy.
A unicorn player like Slaf, a top prospect RD and an offensive winger like either of them is a much better strategy for team building.
With Michkov....i got a little bit of Alexandre Daigle vibes with him...Demidov is a way safer pick for similar outputs
That's out of my depth. I don't have many memories of him. Daigle was drafted in the 90s and wasn't particularly good in the NHL. In the 90s I was just a kid who was too busy trying to become the next ken Griffey Jr at day and the next Roy Jones Jr at night sprinkled with some Pavel Bure in between. No time for the Daigle of this world 😆
@@bluechipprospect hahaha the essence of what I'm saying refering to Daigle is that theses massive stats of Michkov in theses league won't translate as efficiently to the NHL based on what I'm seeing from his play style. The backstory of Daigle is that he had Gretzky level stats in his years before his draft. He's the only player that was awarded a multi-millions dollar contract without playing a single game in the NHL, because the expectations based on his stats were so high.
If you had a draft with both of them in Ivan woud get drafted first .Demidov better 2 way player , bigger , better rounded game , better character and can play center , michkov only has better shot and makes more mistakes without the puck
Honestly, I have no clue who would go first. I think that's highly dependent on which team is picking...
For me, 4 years of generational production and consistency across different levels and tournament weighs more on the scale than 2 inches and a more well rounded game. Especially now that the contract drama is gone. So I'd pick Michkov first but I can't speak for NHL teams.
I have them both in the same tier of prospect but the biggest differentiator was Michkov's production being in a completely different universe.
Demidov is more well rounded, also could play center, bigger, the only thing Michkov has better than Demidov is, his slighty better shot.
Michkov just magically gets way better numbers
Slightly is not how I would put it but when I grade the "shot" I grade the ability to score. The shot itself is only half the battle. Zadina had a great shot but had no idea how to find space. Kotkaniemi has a powerful shot but can't release it fast enough to not get a stick on the puck.
Michkov's ability to score goals is almost generational but the shot itself is probably just .5 to 1 point above Demidov's.
My question is: if Demidov allowed himself to cheat offensively as much as Michkov, wouldn't his production become on par with Michkov's?
Michkov has a better IQ and ability to process the game faster. He's undeniably the better prospect at the moment, albeit not by much.
Demidov has better size, skating, 1v1 ability.
We can't forget Michkov was very close to Bedard before the Ukraine invasion started.
Je respecte l'analyse... mais la conclusion est un peu incohérente avec la vidéo? Je ne dis pas que d'avoir Michkov comme meilleur est un mauvais take, mais de détailler chaque composante du jeu où Demidov a soit un edge ou est très proche, pour conclure que Michkov est meilleur à cause de sa production est un peu simpliste je trouve
Pas impossible que je me sois mal exprimé dans la vidéo, mais je ne vais pas cacher que quatre ans de production générationnelle dans trois ligues différentes et un tournoi international pèsent plus lourd que deux pouces de différence et leur combativité défensive pour moi.
Même si je préfère le style de Demidov, c'est juste une préférence. Michkov a jusqu'à présent prouvé concrètement qu'il est dans une autre catégorie en termes de production.
Comme on ne peut pas les comparer 1 pour 1, et que, selon moi, Michkov a un profil de "skills" équivalent à celui de Demidov, il était évident pour moi que Michkov était le gagnant de cette comparaison.
@@bluechipprospect Quand tu triche a ligne bleu adverse c'est plus facile faire des point par exemple. Fais le bien jouer defensivement, comme il devra le faire en NHL, pis je suis pas mal sure cest stats serais plus proch de Demidov.
Évidemment, ça a un impact. Mais, il faut mettre en contexte que la majorité de ses points ne proviennent pas de jeu où il est sorti très tôt de sa zone et a marqué sur la contre attaque. La plupart du temps, les deux ailiers quittent la zone très rapidement sur presque toutes les rondelles 50/50, ce qui me fait penser que c'est plus une stratégie d'équipe qu'autre chose.
Au final, comme tous les joueurs offensifs de son âge et de son talent, il aura énormément de travail à faire pour s'adapter.
Caufield, par exemple, a pris trois saisons pour avoir un impact ~ neutre sur le jeu défensif de l'équipe, et il est arrivé dans la ligue après deux saisons en NCAA. Il n'est donc pas impossible que Michkov suive un parcours similaire.
J'ai pris ça comme une analyse du talent, pas comme une prédiction du rendement. À ce talent, ça va se décider sur facteur des intangibleles travail, le jeu d'équipe, désir de vaincre, etc...
@@QcLetsPlay exactement
Michkov is in the NHL Demidov is in the KHL BIG difference.Demidov will score zero points in the NHL this year Michkov may get 40-60.
However if you ask Habs fanbois the rose colored glasses ones Demidov is rookie of the year the enxt greatzky if yo uask the rest of the league Demidov is a good talent but not proven anything yet.
What is even funnier is that pretty much everyone all the so called experts said that Michkov might not come over for at least 3 years soooooo pretty much everyone was WRONG.
Michkov hands down is the far superior player. No Bias. The hype on Demidov is insane. Demidov is no where close to be at Michkov’s level. If you want pure offense. Thats Michkov.
I respect your opinion but for me, they're in the same tier even if I think Michkov is the superior player.
Braindead take 😂
@@marcbabineau6001 habs fan much?
Who cares? Only people with really sad lives that's who
Why did you click on the video?
Well, you sure seem happy 👀
lol. You must be fun at parties...
Lol it’s you that has the sad life
This is one sad comment