Modern Training for Gun Dogs | Ep. 284
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
- Nate Czarnota of Iron Oak Dog Company sits down with me after his training seminar to discuss a number of topics that were addressed throughout the weekend.
-What was the goal of putting on this style of a seminar?
-Active dog, reactive handler
-Leash and line management
-Be comfortable being uncomfortable
-Anyone thats really advanced is truly just good at the basics
-Pressure that both handlers and dogs are okay with
-Keeping the good attitude throughout
"-Space between the notes"
-Hope has to be higher than the struggle
-Room service and removing the "competition"
-Allow the dog to experience consequences
-The power of a check chord and back pressure
-The most efficient path to the reward is through us
-Maximizing intensity while maintaining stability via room service as opposed to mark and release
-Direct and indirect reward examples through Force Fetch
-Shaping behaviors doesn't mean we don't obtain the "have to" element
-The importance of "aquariums"
-Balancing the language and theory with hands on application
-Other influences and resources to explore
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Went to the seminar they are talking about in video. Easily worth twice what I paid. It’s a lot to digest but luckily you get to keep the homework/read ahead info to go back and look at it with new eyes, which helps someone like me out a lot. Read, learn via hands on, read again and then I can really start applying with a real understanding of what’s going on and not just going through the motions of what someone else outlined for me.
Thanks for sharing. I really enjoyed the seminar and am excited to see how it develops for Nate. Appreciate you listening!
Love you too, Nate! Great podcast, guys!
Nick, GDIY gets better every episode I think. I started listening as an opportunity to hear more dog training content, but you have really surpassed my expectations in how curious you are and how willing you are to hear, discuss and comment on training theory and methods that are contrary to the "sacred cows" of dog training tradition, even if they aren't methods you (or others) find work for them moving forward. I feel some real kinship there as a person who has used many tools and many methods looking for answers in my own dog training/owning journey. At times it can be very difficult for others to understand or accept a position of: "I have no issue with you using Method X, I think Method X is probably the most effective method for the gundog space currently...but tell me what else is out there because I'd be happy to never use Method X on another dog...I'm here to learn." Keep up the great work!
That truly means a lot and you nailed exactly what the show is about. It’s not about telling anyone how to train their own dog. It’s about putting forth all of the information and options the best we can do that each handler can decide the best path forward for themselves. I get asked all the time which method is best. I just say whichever method makes the most sense to them and their dog. At the end of the day if it doesn’t make sense to the owner then it won’t make sense to the dog.
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Ariel Peldunas is the best.
Do you have any videos or discussions about working with dogs with noise sensitivity?
Not specifically on noise sensitivity no. Just sprinkled in elements of episodes where we discuss gun introduction. I’m not one to equate the two very much outside of a few obvious notes such as there being a loud noise though. I think it’s deeper than that when considering such things as the dogs drive and whether they’re in odor or not.
@22:52 I absolutely agree!
Hmmmm complex
Aren't all true skillsets complex initially?
@@gundogityourself maybe, I'm just very old school and some of this is hard for the old dog, you know, new tricks and old dogs.
Absolutely. Thats understandable and, to be honest, I don't think its worth throwing the baby out with the bath water. Theres still so much value and golden lessons in some of the "old school" approaches. However, the industry cant continue to claim the dogs are "better" and have evolved so much over generations meanwhile our training approaches haven't evolved at all. Its time the gun dog space starts opening up to some new concepts and try to slowly incorporate them within our current processes. Thats the only way anything ever improves. We cant continue to do things simply because thats how they've always been done before.
@@gundogityourself training can be done so many ways and if the results are positive then your golden. For me it's about the dog and numbers of birds. In the 70's and 80's I would have a broke 1 to 11/2 year old dog, where today it takes 3 to 5 years to put a dog in front of the same amount of wild birds.
Absolutely. If anyone trains their dog and is happy with the results and where/how their dog ended up then I say they chose the right method for them. I don't add or deduct points to anyone's process on how they ended up somewhere as long as they're happy with the results.
Thats a very good point in regards to wild bird populations. I would throw that feather in the cap of why alternative methods should at least be explored. We aren't operating with the same genetics in the dogs nor are we able to go out our back door and fill our vests with wild birds any longer.